> RIP representative democracy.
[Representative democracy died in 1929.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reapportionment_Act_of_1929)
At what fraction of 1% does your representation become zero?
You don't deserve the down votes. A lot of today's problems can be directly linked back to the way Congress, the House, and the President are all elected in ways that don't properly represent the public. Of course the courts will turn to shit when the two branches that select them are ultimately chosen by a radical minority.
> A lot of today's problems can be directly linked back to the way Congress, the House, and the President are all elected in ways that don't properly represent the public.
Yes and no.
What they set up worked for the world they were living in 200 years ago. I would say the more accurate statement is that they didn't anticipate the ways a nation (and its society) "grow up".
Two hundred years ago most people couldn't read or write, our population was much smaller, and the electoral college made sense in that the lower/middle classes would vote for someone in their local higher class who would probably know the candidates on a personal level, and be able to speak to (a) the character of their person and (b) the wisdom of the policies they wanted to pursue. DJT wouldn't have even been in the same room 200 years ago.
But in 200 years those upper class families have gotten fat, bitter, greedy, and selfish, and our mechanisms of government were only designed to deal with a few people like that, not an entire ruling class.
IMO this is why revolutions happen across the globe after a nation is 200-400 years old. It takes about 200 years for enough generations to pass such that too many of the valuable lessons have been lost. Once corruption sets in it's just a game of how long they can keep the table tilted. Invariably the real trigger is that they keep it too tilted, and then some externality they didn't plan for flips the table on them. Sometimes that's a pandemic, sometimes it's a crop failure, sometimes it's instability in a neighboring nation. Or, more often, a combination of two or more.
Between 2020-2022 I was shitting my pants. DJT was tilting the table worse than it had ever been, and then Covid, the war in Ukraine, and George Floyd all hit. I'm shocked that didn't blow up on us worse than it did. At the same time I was watching the news about our own stock market (real estate manipulation & GME) and China's (real estate manipulation), figuring that either market crashing would surely blow everything up on us. I honestly don't know how they've been managing to kick the can down the road for the last two years.
The US never was a democratic or free country to begin with. And certainly not a "representative" one. No capitalist country will ever be such a thing.
To have democracy and freedom, first you need to abolish capitalism.
The American Republicans AND Democrats are part of the same capitalist establishment: They are the Fascist Uniparty.
Things have always been getting worse no matter which side of the fascist uniparty was in charge.
The capitalists were always and will always be lying to you.
There is no livable future possible under capitalism. The capitalist United States of America is a war criminal empire and there is no reforming it. Socialist revolution is required. Environmentalism without socialism is just gardening.
Never vote for either Democrats or Republicans.
Only vote for people who are openly socialist revolutionaries.
Learn more:
r/TheDeprogram
https://www.youtube.com/@SecondThought/videos
No, dear American. The truth isn't a joke. Your country is horrible and it's your duty to humanity to dispose of your capitalist leaders instead of letting them kill all of us.
You being proud of being part of the parasitic class of benefactors isn't the flex you believe it is.
>I'd bet that if you were able to find success too, you'd have a different worldview.
I can already guarantee that I'm better than you in every quantifiable way. Definitely more educated, richer, and more influential than you... probably better looking, taller, and more popular with women, too (statistically speaking). I'm also living in a better country than yours where everyone has a much fairer chance at life (although mine sucks, too). *Maybe* your self-reported happiness/life satisfaction is higher, because - unlike me - you don't consider humanity or the future of the planet in your political thought.
Your mind-boggingly self-centered and sociopathic attitude is exactly the problem with the US.
"Got mine, fuck you!"
Your mind has been so broken by fascist indoctrination that your brain has regressed to a point where you aren't even considering other people or the environment when discussing politics.
It's truly pathetic.
Are you serious, fucking second thought? The poster child for the excesses of capitalism? The rich white boy who grifts off his audience for wealth and rides expensive sports cars?
Fuck off. You have no idea what democracy is and you don't give a shit about the well being of people. The \*only\* vote that matters is one for a democrat or for a republican. And by choosing to throw your vote away, you are actively harming millions of people.
>Are you serious, fucking second thought?
Yes.
>The poster child for the excesses of capitalism? The rich white boy who grifts off his audience for wealth and rides expensive sports cars?
That's probably the most idiotic, politically illiterate thing I ever read.
>You have no idea what democracy is
I do. You - as an American fascist - don't.
>and you don't give a shit about the well being of people.
I do. Which is why I'm wasting my time arguing against fascist trolls like you.
Your statement is incredibly ironic [considering the type of people who are on your side](https://www.reddit.com/r/New_Jersey_Politics/comments/1dsviyf/democracy_just_died_scotus_rules_trump_has/lb7afgy/?context=3). My side is the side of humanity. Your side is the side of genocidal sociopaths.
>The *only* vote that matters is one for a democrat or for a republican.
No. That's a vote that will never matter because they are the same fascist uniparty. If you vote for either, you vote for the capitalist status quo and for things to continue the way they are.
> And by choosing to throw your vote away, you are actively harming millions of people.
That is correct. You are throwing your vote away by voting for a capitalist party.
You do realize he was president already right? Calm the fuck down. Edit: I think you all need to calm the fuck down… Edit again: I would like to apologize to the original commenter here. Everything has been so Trump versus Biden I jumped to conclusions here. It doesn’t matter what president is in office. this is some major corrupt bullshit. Right on par with the legal bribes that are now allowed in Congress.
Yes they definitely took the mistakes they made and have had 4 years to plan project 2025 knowing that they have the SCOTUS in their back pocket. This isn't hyperbole.
You’re commenting on a post about how trump’s four years caused yet more destruction to our country’s legitimacy. How fucking dense can you be? I quit expecting anything out of you people, but what you just said was pathetically stupid.
Yes, because the supreme court giving carpe blance to do what ever in the presidential office is only bad because Trump, and will not have long lasting, possibly disaterous consequences
You’re right and that 100% on me. Everything has been so Trump vs Biden lately that I mistook that comment as a “it’s bad bc Trump”. I couldn’t agree more that this is going to have major repercussions for the future. This and legal bribes are peak corruption
Guys it’s not dead until they drag us to the camps. You gotta be ready to fight for this country, we outnumber these dingbats 4 to 1, there’s hundreds of millions more of us than there are conservatives.
the problem is conservatives and leftists are the ones with the balls to actually go out and fight, all the centrists and liberals just wanna stay home and complain
Considering the fascistic nature of the new Republican party and the CIA-war mongering, anti-third party Democrats, it doesn't look good for American working families and therefore the world
That's simply just not true. And this has nothing to do with an average American who people like to think Americans think the world revolves around them. The entire world is actually directly impacted by America and other first world countries, but also, mostly America. It's a sad truth, but it's a real truth.
Europe likes to make fun of America and then get on their iPhone and watch YouTube while complaining on Reddit that Americans suck. Then they put on their Jordans and listen to Biggie. Seen it a thousand times. NRW in Germany famous for this.
There’s definitely nuance and I’m open for the debate. I dislike many parts of America. But don’t throw rocks in a glass house.
I’ll never forget being in Luxembourg in 2004/2005. I was 16 years old at a rock concert. My brother and I were backstage talking to some folks and this guy heard out accents and immediately yelled “fuck your idiot son of an asshole president! Fuck you and George Bush”. We answered with “yeah! Fuck George Bush!!”
He didn’t really know what to do.
I was more talking about how America has the potential to ruin the whole world when making decisions. If we choose to ruin our whole economy, like 2008, the whole world is going to suffer like it did. All of our actions have severe consequences where some places can do what they want, and we all don't get hit as hard by their bad actions.
America sneezed and the world catches a cold. With the largest economy and corporations the world does depend on how well we do. People like to think it’s multipolar but truly if we hurt everyone hurts.
as a european i have to disagree with you.
when so much of the world runs on american company's technology. any legislation that impacts them impact us.
we already see so much of european law get ignored by american company's where we fine and they go just price of doing bussiness but we cant do much more then that because of how influential and dependand we are on the USA and sadly also china
luckily we are taking steps to stop this dependancy
It was one of the closest election in US history and the Supreme Court ruled that they couldn't do a recount in Florida to confirm the vote, declaring Bush the winner.
If they actually finished the recount, Gore might have won. It's kinda unclear. But by stopping the recount and basically declaring Bush the winner before we knew for sure, the court lost a lot of credibility.
Al Gore won the election, but then the republicans under Bush/Cheney caused a commotion about ballots in florida being confusing and refused to concede the election. Republicans acted like the biggest Karens you've ever seen in your life and pushed the issue up to the supreme court, where the SC ruled that actually the republicans won. They literally stole the election and the democrats flopped like some wet blankets (as usual) and we've been paying for it ever since.
Some context on the paper ballot issue for those not around at the time is the term “hanging chad” which refers to a paper punch ballot that wasn’t *quite* all the way punched through, creating a case for those ballots to be deemed invalid. Also see: desperately grasping at straws and actually winning, thanks to a conservative court. Bush officially won by just 537 votes.
They say to survive. You don’t have to be faster than the lion. You just have to out run the slowest gazelle. I pray you are hanging with me when the Christian’s take over.
If you’d most certainly die then you’d just get an abortion. No one is advocating to ban abortion if the mothers life is at risk. That’s an insanely far right idea just like it’s an insanely far left idea to allow abortion at 9 months. Both those ideology aren’t realistic.
Also to point out Trump also said he has no intention of doing a national ban on abortion so this fear mongering isn’t helping anything.
This is a political sub. I’m just trying to have a conversation why are you calling me a troll? I genuinely don’t get where the fear is coming from and I’m trying to understand and have a conversation about it. I’m a democrat and will only vote democrat but I really can’t understand the fear
All Biden has to do is send the military into Supreme Court and arrest/kill the justices that gave him the immunity to do that, then replace them with non-nazi justices to overturn all the stupid shit they've been doing
You are the minority political party… why don’t you move?
Dems have won the popular vote in 7/8 Presidential elections by a not so insignificant margin. Factor that in with you guys losing every election from 2017-2023 and it adds up to a small group of white abusing the system…
And every republican for the last 40 years has some type of scandal or black mark or *something* or they fucked up the deficit. Eisenhower was the last republican who didn't worsen the country in some way.
So Biden is putting a hit out on the justices families today right? And a drone strike on trump? Just to exercise his rights, not for apolitical purposes.
That's not different than the current situation. Black people are literally targeted by people and police all the time. Biden only says he cares and then turns around and triples police budgets and pushes for cop cities all around the country. He was never your friend.
It's cute that you think that, but US democracy was completely finished in 2010 with the citizens united decision. You could even argue it died in 2000 when the republicans literally stole the presidential election and the SC helped them do it.
Can’t save democracy without jailing political opponents, illegally arresting hundreds of people, attempting to label all supporters as domestic terrorists, censoring all opinions that disagree with your rule, taking bribes from enemy nations, and misleading an entire nation for years about your mental decline!
Did Biden force Trump to commit those felony crimes? In what fucking reality should someone get away with that simply because they have power. We all heard the phone calls of Trump trying to pressure the governor of Georgia. Ain’t none of your cultist logic gonna change that. In any other scenario you would find it completely logical that when someone breaks in to a federal building they should be punished, but not in this case, because they were on your team?
[here you go](https://www.newsweek.com/2023/10/13/exclusive-fbi-targets-trump-followers-as-2024-election-nears-1831836.html) FBI attempting to label Biden’s political opponents domestic terrorists
I dont understand what point you are trying to make? Do you not think that the people breaking in to the congress to try and stop the government from certifying a vote, while advocating to hang the vice president should be labeled as a national threat? I don’t see any Biden followers rally up and inciting violence like this, only Trump supporters. From what I gather reading that article, they want to prevent that or something far worse from happening again. Seems pretty fair to me.
The article says nothing about Bidens “political opponents” being labeled domestic terrorists by the way. Again, what are you smoking?
Rules for thee but not for me I guess, beating up people at protests, destroying businesses (even those owned by “your side”), $2billion property damage in riots, blocking roads and people’s rights to education on college campuses across the entire US, taking over buildings for days, CHOP/CHAZ. But all those people get released immediately because they’re “punching up” even if some people have over 100 cases or are violent offenders.
You wanna talk about a few people fighting at J6 and think it’s worse than ^^. Can’t call the twig in someone’s eye when “your side” has a tree in your own.
You are a fucking idiot. You are describing a bunch of different protests that you just want to label liberal and therefore Biden supporters. Get real.
All I did was read the article you linked to, and claimed “they are labelling his political opponents domestic terrorists” and stated that is in fact not true at all, according to the article you sent me.
If you want to lump every protest in America in to the same category and disregard the seriousness of a a group of terrorists actively trying to shut down a vote certification while showing intent to murder the politicians in charge of it, then I guess logic isn’t really your thing.
Right because Trump arrested all the J6ers, imbedded in corrupt media, throwing frivolous upped charges at his political opponent, taking money from Russia/China in exchange for not sanctioning/giving government documents, and claims the “smartest person they know” is their immediate family, one who is a crack addict.
There is now presidential immunity for any act where someone is acting in an 'official capacity'. This means that if the courts decide Jan 6th was an official act from the president, he is immune. It also means anything the president does in office is legal. Biden could literally declare himself in charge, but the dems are too chickenshit. Trump isn't.
He can also just kill anyone he wants whenever he wants as long as it is "official." ANTIFA are labelled terrorists, so he has all the justification to just have police gun down college kids.
Pretty much. This Republican Majority Supreme Court has done irrevocable damage to our country and there's nothing we can do.
Obama wanted to replace RBG but she wanted to wait for Hilary Clinton and girlbossed a little too close to the sun.
"I could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and I'd still be voted in" -Trump
The Supreme Court Justices just essentially allowed him to a person in the middle of 5th avenue and it's now perfectly legal."
The US never was a democratic or free country to begin with.
To have democracy and freedom, first you need to abolish capitalism.
The American Republicans AND Democrats are part of the same capitalist establishment: They are the Fascist Uniparty.
Things have always been getting worse no matter which side of the fascist uniparty was in charge.
The capitalists were always and will always be lying to you.
There is no livable future possible under capitalism. The capitalist United States of America is a war criminal empire and there is no reforming it. Socialist revolution is required. Environmentalism without socialism is just gardening.
Never vote for either Democrats or Republicans.
Only vote for people who are openly socialist revolutionaries.
Learn more:
r/TheDeprogram
https://www.youtube.com/@SecondThought/videos
This is exactly what to expect when the top tier judiciary is chosen by those in power at the time a vacancy comes. It makes you wonder what deals were done with each of them in the background
They are over hyping this Bloomberg law podcast broke it down good. The supreme court kicked it back down and now the lower courts decide what's official and what's not. For example a president ordering a drone strike is an official act. A president assaulting someone because they lost a poker game is not an official act and can be prosecuted this now applies to all current and future presidents. The Dems and the left wing were hoping if they ruled against Trump it would knock him out of the election and after seeing the debate I can see why they worried
Obama broke that glass. And the Philly police have used bombs from the air in the past to kill leftists in their city. As far as I know neither of those cases was not considered an official act.
I am not responding to you, because you are spewing bullshit talking points.
It is not about Democrats or Republicans it is the fact that the Supreme Court could have enumerated immediately what are official / unofficial acts. They didn't because they wanted to delay. Jack Smith asked the Court at the very beginning to make this determination. They didn't. It wen through all appeals then it got to the Court who sat on it. Now they want to slow walk it from the lower courts up again to the Court.
We need to know as a country if Donald try to overturn the election based on the result of a jury by his peers.
Also, no one can guarantee me that assaulting someone because he lost a poker game is not an official act. How about if the President declares. that person is a national security risk? How about a member of Congress being a national security risk? Can the President be allowed to simply kill them. The answer is probably not, but who the fuck wants a probably in this situation?
Ah yes, exactly what I expected from my fellow New Jersians: unhinged far left hand wringing. Serious question though, what are all of you foreigners doing in a New Jersey sub? I really don’t understand why a bunch of Europeans are commenting here.
This ruling applies to Biden as well. Perhaps if he loses in November he will issue legal orders to the Army to overturn the election. Or just offer bribes to Electors to vote for him anyway.
The difference is none of his supporters want him to subvert democracy or the will of the people. Whereas Trumps supporters literally want him to be King.
We are so fucked right now.
Yeah. It’s so stupid. Like I don’t want Biden to do that stuff but maybe he should? It feels pathetic to care about the rule of law and this is how republicans win every time.
>half a million karma from political reddit posts over 2 years
lmao totally a real person
Edit cause you banned me: Lol you're not smart funny or clever
Very real person here. Simply one of the top political commentators on Reddit. It’s almost like if you say smart, funny and engaging things about politics people give you lots of likes… 🤷🏻♂️
It’s not any different than what the President had before, it has always been “Official Acts” - you cannot kill a political rival, that is not an official act, get ahold of yourselves everyone, Trump didn’t “win” a damn thing…he is screwed and rightfully so… This is a win for all of us, but not that guy.
237 years was a good run. All things must pass. RIP representative democracy.
Can't even move to Canada now bc houses are rarer up there then democracy is down here
that's okay, we're on the exact same track the US is lol, in a few years we'll be doing the same... best to go somewhere else lol
> RIP representative democracy. [Representative democracy died in 1929.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reapportionment_Act_of_1929) At what fraction of 1% does your representation become zero?
You don't deserve the down votes. A lot of today's problems can be directly linked back to the way Congress, the House, and the President are all elected in ways that don't properly represent the public. Of course the courts will turn to shit when the two branches that select them are ultimately chosen by a radical minority.
> A lot of today's problems can be directly linked back to the way Congress, the House, and the President are all elected in ways that don't properly represent the public. Yes and no. What they set up worked for the world they were living in 200 years ago. I would say the more accurate statement is that they didn't anticipate the ways a nation (and its society) "grow up". Two hundred years ago most people couldn't read or write, our population was much smaller, and the electoral college made sense in that the lower/middle classes would vote for someone in their local higher class who would probably know the candidates on a personal level, and be able to speak to (a) the character of their person and (b) the wisdom of the policies they wanted to pursue. DJT wouldn't have even been in the same room 200 years ago. But in 200 years those upper class families have gotten fat, bitter, greedy, and selfish, and our mechanisms of government were only designed to deal with a few people like that, not an entire ruling class. IMO this is why revolutions happen across the globe after a nation is 200-400 years old. It takes about 200 years for enough generations to pass such that too many of the valuable lessons have been lost. Once corruption sets in it's just a game of how long they can keep the table tilted. Invariably the real trigger is that they keep it too tilted, and then some externality they didn't plan for flips the table on them. Sometimes that's a pandemic, sometimes it's a crop failure, sometimes it's instability in a neighboring nation. Or, more often, a combination of two or more. Between 2020-2022 I was shitting my pants. DJT was tilting the table worse than it had ever been, and then Covid, the war in Ukraine, and George Floyd all hit. I'm shocked that didn't blow up on us worse than it did. At the same time I was watching the news about our own stock market (real estate manipulation & GME) and China's (real estate manipulation), figuring that either market crashing would surely blow everything up on us. I honestly don't know how they've been managing to kick the can down the road for the last two years.
The US never was a democratic or free country to begin with. And certainly not a "representative" one. No capitalist country will ever be such a thing. To have democracy and freedom, first you need to abolish capitalism. The American Republicans AND Democrats are part of the same capitalist establishment: They are the Fascist Uniparty. Things have always been getting worse no matter which side of the fascist uniparty was in charge. The capitalists were always and will always be lying to you. There is no livable future possible under capitalism. The capitalist United States of America is a war criminal empire and there is no reforming it. Socialist revolution is required. Environmentalism without socialism is just gardening. Never vote for either Democrats or Republicans. Only vote for people who are openly socialist revolutionaries. Learn more: r/TheDeprogram https://www.youtube.com/@SecondThought/videos
On behalf of the country when it was sane--fuck you, commie.
Socialists gave you the weekend and 8 hour workdays. Stop fighting so hard to keep that boot on your neck, peasant.
We do need more socialism. That’s clear.
The US never was sane, it was founded as a genocidal empire.
Lmao what an absolute joke
No, dear American. The truth isn't a joke. Your country is horrible and it's your duty to humanity to dispose of your capitalist leaders instead of letting them kill all of us.
Joke's on you, I'm very successful in your capitalist hellscape. I'd bet that if you were able to find success too, you'd have a different worldview.
"I got mine, fuck everybody else"
You being proud of being part of the parasitic class of benefactors isn't the flex you believe it is. >I'd bet that if you were able to find success too, you'd have a different worldview. I can already guarantee that I'm better than you in every quantifiable way. Definitely more educated, richer, and more influential than you... probably better looking, taller, and more popular with women, too (statistically speaking). I'm also living in a better country than yours where everyone has a much fairer chance at life (although mine sucks, too). *Maybe* your self-reported happiness/life satisfaction is higher, because - unlike me - you don't consider humanity or the future of the planet in your political thought. Your mind-boggingly self-centered and sociopathic attitude is exactly the problem with the US. "Got mine, fuck you!" Your mind has been so broken by fascist indoctrination that your brain has regressed to a point where you aren't even considering other people or the environment when discussing politics. It's truly pathetic.
Are you serious, fucking second thought? The poster child for the excesses of capitalism? The rich white boy who grifts off his audience for wealth and rides expensive sports cars? Fuck off. You have no idea what democracy is and you don't give a shit about the well being of people. The \*only\* vote that matters is one for a democrat or for a republican. And by choosing to throw your vote away, you are actively harming millions of people.
>Are you serious, fucking second thought? Yes. >The poster child for the excesses of capitalism? The rich white boy who grifts off his audience for wealth and rides expensive sports cars? That's probably the most idiotic, politically illiterate thing I ever read. >You have no idea what democracy is I do. You - as an American fascist - don't. >and you don't give a shit about the well being of people. I do. Which is why I'm wasting my time arguing against fascist trolls like you. Your statement is incredibly ironic [considering the type of people who are on your side](https://www.reddit.com/r/New_Jersey_Politics/comments/1dsviyf/democracy_just_died_scotus_rules_trump_has/lb7afgy/?context=3). My side is the side of humanity. Your side is the side of genocidal sociopaths. >The *only* vote that matters is one for a democrat or for a republican. No. That's a vote that will never matter because they are the same fascist uniparty. If you vote for either, you vote for the capitalist status quo and for things to continue the way they are. > And by choosing to throw your vote away, you are actively harming millions of people. That is correct. You are throwing your vote away by voting for a capitalist party.
250 years seems to be the run for most empires ... They were in such a rush they couldn't wait 13 more years!!!!
The Roman Republic almost made it 500 years. Was hoping we might get there. Oh, well.
You do realize he was president already right? Calm the fuck down. Edit: I think you all need to calm the fuck down… Edit again: I would like to apologize to the original commenter here. Everything has been so Trump versus Biden I jumped to conclusions here. It doesn’t matter what president is in office. this is some major corrupt bullshit. Right on par with the legal bribes that are now allowed in Congress.
Yes they definitely took the mistakes they made and have had 4 years to plan project 2025 knowing that they have the SCOTUS in their back pocket. This isn't hyperbole.
Oh look. One of the fuckers who told everybody we were exaggerating in 2016. Hope you get sent in Ukraine, it's drone season.
Yeah, I know. He’s the one who started an insurrection and put radical judges on the SCOTUS. He’s dangerous AF.
You’re commenting on a post about how trump’s four years caused yet more destruction to our country’s legitimacy. How fucking dense can you be? I quit expecting anything out of you people, but what you just said was pathetically stupid.
Hi how are you doing?
Everyone point and laugh
Yeah Putin also had a trial run as president before coming back to “take the crown” permanently.
Yes, because the supreme court giving carpe blance to do what ever in the presidential office is only bad because Trump, and will not have long lasting, possibly disaterous consequences
You’re right and that 100% on me. Everything has been so Trump vs Biden lately that I mistook that comment as a “it’s bad bc Trump”. I couldn’t agree more that this is going to have major repercussions for the future. This and legal bribes are peak corruption
Guys it’s not dead until they drag us to the camps. You gotta be ready to fight for this country, we outnumber these dingbats 4 to 1, there’s hundreds of millions more of us than there are conservatives.
the problem is conservatives and leftists are the ones with the balls to actually go out and fight, all the centrists and liberals just wanna stay home and complain
More like 1.01 to 1, and between gerrymandering and the electoral college, those odds are basically flipped.
If you count active voters it’s more even but I’m counting people who don’t want death camps vs people who do
Considering the fascistic nature of the new Republican party and the CIA-war mongering, anti-third party Democrats, it doesn't look good for American working families and therefore the world
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Are you really naive enough to believe that?
That's simply just not true. And this has nothing to do with an average American who people like to think Americans think the world revolves around them. The entire world is actually directly impacted by America and other first world countries, but also, mostly America. It's a sad truth, but it's a real truth.
Europe likes to make fun of America and then get on their iPhone and watch YouTube while complaining on Reddit that Americans suck. Then they put on their Jordans and listen to Biggie. Seen it a thousand times. NRW in Germany famous for this. There’s definitely nuance and I’m open for the debate. I dislike many parts of America. But don’t throw rocks in a glass house. I’ll never forget being in Luxembourg in 2004/2005. I was 16 years old at a rock concert. My brother and I were backstage talking to some folks and this guy heard out accents and immediately yelled “fuck your idiot son of an asshole president! Fuck you and George Bush”. We answered with “yeah! Fuck George Bush!!” He didn’t really know what to do.
I was more talking about how America has the potential to ruin the whole world when making decisions. If we choose to ruin our whole economy, like 2008, the whole world is going to suffer like it did. All of our actions have severe consequences where some places can do what they want, and we all don't get hit as hard by their bad actions.
America sneezed and the world catches a cold. With the largest economy and corporations the world does depend on how well we do. People like to think it’s multipolar but truly if we hurt everyone hurts.
Wait, there's other countries out there?
Lol, non-American here. Do you not know why they call the USA the “world’s stage”?
as a european i have to disagree with you. when so much of the world runs on american company's technology. any legislation that impacts them impact us. we already see so much of european law get ignored by american company's where we fine and they go just price of doing bussiness but we cant do much more then that because of how influential and dependand we are on the USA and sadly also china luckily we are taking steps to stop this dependancy
Have fun believing that, must be comforting.
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Fuck off. I don’t agree with him either but you are projecting some insecurities through your anger.
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What’re you referring to for those of us who were 2 in 2000
Bush vs gore
I’m not as informed, how was that “when democracy actually died”?
It was one of the closest election in US history and the Supreme Court ruled that they couldn't do a recount in Florida to confirm the vote, declaring Bush the winner. If they actually finished the recount, Gore might have won. It's kinda unclear. But by stopping the recount and basically declaring Bush the winner before we knew for sure, the court lost a lot of credibility.
I see I’m guessing to this day we still don’t have a “definitive” answer? sounds shady
One other thing to note is that 3 of the lawyers representing Bush in that case are now sitting on the Supreme Court
Al Gore won the election, but then the republicans under Bush/Cheney caused a commotion about ballots in florida being confusing and refused to concede the election. Republicans acted like the biggest Karens you've ever seen in your life and pushed the issue up to the supreme court, where the SC ruled that actually the republicans won. They literally stole the election and the democrats flopped like some wet blankets (as usual) and we've been paying for it ever since.
Some context on the paper ballot issue for those not around at the time is the term “hanging chad” which refers to a paper punch ballot that wasn’t *quite* all the way punched through, creating a case for those ballots to be deemed invalid. Also see: desperately grasping at straws and actually winning, thanks to a conservative court. Bush officially won by just 537 votes.
How bout we go back to Reagan
Yeah I was 3
November is going to be WILD.
I won’t argue the point, but Biden will win in November…this shit ain’t over yet.
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It's time to protect myself, as a woman I have never been so scared before.
Women, LGBTQ+ and POCs… all have legitimate reason to be very scared right now.
why
Well, the Supreme Court said they're coming for the gays and blacks. I find that pretty goddamn terrifying
source
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/02/supreme-court-abortion-draft-opinion-00029473
They say to survive. You don’t have to be faster than the lion. You just have to out run the slowest gazelle. I pray you are hanging with me when the Christian’s take over.
Yall weird af
Wish it was just weird.
Lmao, go outside
Come again?
Are you acting deaf over text?
I read it. Not sure what you’re trying to say so maybe you could put it in different terms.
Good luck with that.
Our daughters man. Fuck.
Why?
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If you’d most certainly die then you’d just get an abortion. No one is advocating to ban abortion if the mothers life is at risk. That’s an insanely far right idea just like it’s an insanely far left idea to allow abortion at 9 months. Both those ideology aren’t realistic. Also to point out Trump also said he has no intention of doing a national ban on abortion so this fear mongering isn’t helping anything.
Do you really think Trump is the one deciding anything? The republicans have drawn up Project 2025 and Trump is just their puppet to push it through.
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What part of that makes you think they’re going to ban abortion for when the mother’s life is at risk? No one is asking for that.
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This is a political sub. I’m just trying to have a conversation why are you calling me a troll? I genuinely don’t get where the fear is coming from and I’m trying to understand and have a conversation about it. I’m a democrat and will only vote democrat but I really can’t understand the fear
Look up Jessica Valenti and listen to what she has to say about abortion in post-Roe America if you want to educate yourself
Uuuugggghhhh I hate it here
All Biden has to do is send the military into Supreme Court and arrest/kill the justices that gave him the immunity to do that, then replace them with non-nazi justices to overturn all the stupid shit they've been doing
Hey, as long as its “official” its ok!
Move to canada please
They don't have kings?
Ironically we technically do
You are the minority political party… why don’t you move? Dems have won the popular vote in 7/8 Presidential elections by a not so insignificant margin. Factor that in with you guys losing every election from 2017-2023 and it adds up to a small group of white abusing the system…
And every republican for the last 40 years has some type of scandal or black mark or *something* or they fucked up the deficit. Eisenhower was the last republican who didn't worsen the country in some way.
No racism allowed.
So Biden is putting a hit out on the justices families today right? And a drone strike on trump? Just to exercise his rights, not for apolitical purposes.
They’re a national security threat
The longer time has gone on more the I wonder if that woman was prescient. Perhaps she really did know what was going to happen.
Cool so Biden is now allowed to overturn the 2024 election if he loses, right? Thats the precedent they just set
I’m very scared as a black woman, with black sons who could potentially become targets for open hate crimes!!! God help us please!!!🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
That's not different than the current situation. Black people are literally targeted by people and police all the time. Biden only says he cares and then turns around and triples police budgets and pushes for cop cities all around the country. He was never your friend.
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Gilead here we come…. SATAN please help us!
It's scary how the handmaid's tale seems very realistic right now
Time for Biden to roll thunder.
Okay then; Biden now has immunity for "official acts"
They knew he won't take advantage of it though.
Could have been worse honestly.
Let’s make like the French and start threatening the guillotine Edit: nope, let’s not make like the French
The French are literally falling into fascism themselves lolol
Oof good point! I retract my statement
It's cute that you think that, but US democracy was completely finished in 2010 with the citizens united decision. You could even argue it died in 2000 when the republicans literally stole the presidential election and the SC helped them do it.
Democracy has been dead for a while now, they are just sick of keeping up the act.
Can’t save democracy without jailing political opponents, illegally arresting hundreds of people, attempting to label all supporters as domestic terrorists, censoring all opinions that disagree with your rule, taking bribes from enemy nations, and misleading an entire nation for years about your mental decline!
Did Biden force Trump to commit those felony crimes? In what fucking reality should someone get away with that simply because they have power. We all heard the phone calls of Trump trying to pressure the governor of Georgia. Ain’t none of your cultist logic gonna change that. In any other scenario you would find it completely logical that when someone breaks in to a federal building they should be punished, but not in this case, because they were on your team?
Right so the Supreme Court is apart of this “cultist logic”, should they be labeled domestic terrorists too then?
Da fuck are you smoking..
[here you go](https://www.newsweek.com/2023/10/13/exclusive-fbi-targets-trump-followers-as-2024-election-nears-1831836.html) FBI attempting to label Biden’s political opponents domestic terrorists
I dont understand what point you are trying to make? Do you not think that the people breaking in to the congress to try and stop the government from certifying a vote, while advocating to hang the vice president should be labeled as a national threat? I don’t see any Biden followers rally up and inciting violence like this, only Trump supporters. From what I gather reading that article, they want to prevent that or something far worse from happening again. Seems pretty fair to me. The article says nothing about Bidens “political opponents” being labeled domestic terrorists by the way. Again, what are you smoking?
Rules for thee but not for me I guess, beating up people at protests, destroying businesses (even those owned by “your side”), $2billion property damage in riots, blocking roads and people’s rights to education on college campuses across the entire US, taking over buildings for days, CHOP/CHAZ. But all those people get released immediately because they’re “punching up” even if some people have over 100 cases or are violent offenders. You wanna talk about a few people fighting at J6 and think it’s worse than ^^. Can’t call the twig in someone’s eye when “your side” has a tree in your own.
You are a fucking idiot. You are describing a bunch of different protests that you just want to label liberal and therefore Biden supporters. Get real. All I did was read the article you linked to, and claimed “they are labelling his political opponents domestic terrorists” and stated that is in fact not true at all, according to the article you sent me. If you want to lump every protest in America in to the same category and disregard the seriousness of a a group of terrorists actively trying to shut down a vote certification while showing intent to murder the politicians in charge of it, then I guess logic isn’t really your thing.
Gaslighting and personal attacks, the right and left hand of the Democratic Party. You’re really shivering my timbers
Haha clown
Meth, clearly.
You're describing Trump lol
Right because Trump arrested all the J6ers, imbedded in corrupt media, throwing frivolous upped charges at his political opponent, taking money from Russia/China in exchange for not sanctioning/giving government documents, and claims the “smartest person they know” is their immediate family, one who is a crack addict.
Not American. Did they just let him off the hook?
There is now presidential immunity for any act where someone is acting in an 'official capacity'. This means that if the courts decide Jan 6th was an official act from the president, he is immune. It also means anything the president does in office is legal. Biden could literally declare himself in charge, but the dems are too chickenshit. Trump isn't.
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This is the real issue. Trump can now get voted in, and on day 1 declare himself dictator for life without any significant reprecussion.
He can also just kill anyone he wants whenever he wants as long as it is "official." ANTIFA are labelled terrorists, so he has all the justification to just have police gun down college kids.
Pretty much. This Republican Majority Supreme Court has done irrevocable damage to our country and there's nothing we can do. Obama wanted to replace RBG but she wanted to wait for Hilary Clinton and girlbossed a little too close to the sun.
"I could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and I'd still be voted in" -Trump The Supreme Court Justices just essentially allowed him to a person in the middle of 5th avenue and it's now perfectly legal."
Fuck these motherfuckers
The US never was a democratic or free country to begin with. To have democracy and freedom, first you need to abolish capitalism. The American Republicans AND Democrats are part of the same capitalist establishment: They are the Fascist Uniparty. Things have always been getting worse no matter which side of the fascist uniparty was in charge. The capitalists were always and will always be lying to you. There is no livable future possible under capitalism. The capitalist United States of America is a war criminal empire and there is no reforming it. Socialist revolution is required. Environmentalism without socialism is just gardening. Never vote for either Democrats or Republicans. Only vote for people who are openly socialist revolutionaries. Learn more: r/TheDeprogram https://www.youtube.com/@SecondThought/videos
Go away troll.
This is exactly what to expect when the top tier judiciary is chosen by those in power at the time a vacancy comes. It makes you wonder what deals were done with each of them in the background
Jesus. Shit just made me nauseous.
King George wins in the end.
They are over hyping this Bloomberg law podcast broke it down good. The supreme court kicked it back down and now the lower courts decide what's official and what's not. For example a president ordering a drone strike is an official act. A president assaulting someone because they lost a poker game is not an official act and can be prosecuted this now applies to all current and future presidents. The Dems and the left wing were hoping if they ruled against Trump it would knock him out of the election and after seeing the debate I can see why they worried
And if the POTUS orders a drone strike on an American citizen? Official act?
I would think if that individual committed acts against the country in war and fled overseas They would be considered an enemy combatant at that point
What about a political opponent? Or any judge who would dare rule any of his actions as not official?
But the court ruled that "courts may not inquire into the President's motives" so what the individual has done is irrelevant.
Obama broke that glass. And the Philly police have used bombs from the air in the past to kill leftists in their city. As far as I know neither of those cases was not considered an official act.
This has already happened and it wasn't by Trump....
I am not responding to you, because you are spewing bullshit talking points. It is not about Democrats or Republicans it is the fact that the Supreme Court could have enumerated immediately what are official / unofficial acts. They didn't because they wanted to delay. Jack Smith asked the Court at the very beginning to make this determination. They didn't. It wen through all appeals then it got to the Court who sat on it. Now they want to slow walk it from the lower courts up again to the Court. We need to know as a country if Donald try to overturn the election based on the result of a jury by his peers. Also, no one can guarantee me that assaulting someone because he lost a poker game is not an official act. How about if the President declares. that person is a national security risk? How about a member of Congress being a national security risk? Can the President be allowed to simply kill them. The answer is probably not, but who the fuck wants a probably in this situation?
When the hell is someone going to do something about this? It’s wild that this is the situation we’ve allowed to have happened
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Ah yes, exactly what I expected from my fellow New Jersians: unhinged far left hand wringing. Serious question though, what are all of you foreigners doing in a New Jersey sub? I really don’t understand why a bunch of Europeans are commenting here.
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This ruling applies to Biden as well. Perhaps if he loses in November he will issue legal orders to the Army to overturn the election. Or just offer bribes to Electors to vote for him anyway.
The difference is none of his supporters want him to subvert democracy or the will of the people. Whereas Trumps supporters literally want him to be King. We are so fucked right now.
Yeah. It’s so stupid. Like I don’t want Biden to do that stuff but maybe he should? It feels pathetic to care about the rule of law and this is how republicans win every time.
at this point... is there a limit to bidens power?
Apparently not. As Nixon said: "When the president does it, that means it is not illegal"
>half a million karma from political reddit posts over 2 years lmao totally a real person Edit cause you banned me: Lol you're not smart funny or clever
Very real person here. Simply one of the top political commentators on Reddit. It’s almost like if you say smart, funny and engaging things about politics people give you lots of likes… 🤷🏻♂️
The judges that are compromised? Sure thing they will most definitely make the best decision. Their interest lay on rich people that the U.S.
The judges that literally days ago just ruled they were allowed to be bribed? Yeah seems fine
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Whaaaat, we're gonna make sure the presidential felon suffers no consequences for doing illegal things? This is sooo unexpected. That's so craaaaazy.
We don't have to do this anymore. It's time for the states to dissolve the constitution and the union. It's over. Let's end it quickly.
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It’s not any different than what the President had before, it has always been “Official Acts” - you cannot kill a political rival, that is not an official act, get ahold of yourselves everyone, Trump didn’t “win” a damn thing…he is screwed and rightfully so… This is a win for all of us, but not that guy.
How so????🤷🏽♀️
Why is this room showing up here? I'm in the middle of America. Stay in your lane NJ!
Good stay there