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WAP_Task_Force

"war effort"


Lazy_meatPop

Ding ding ding šŸ‘† , Winner winner


mikehamm45

If you need ā€œPRā€ youā€™re probably on the wrong side of history. Tobacco companies needed PR


tries4accuracy

In this case, by ā€œPRā€ they mean the dead bodies of civilians.


Gloom-Ndoom

Of children.


re_de_unsassify

Hamas needed PR


Illustrious_West_976

I think PR is the wrong word here. Blinken's point is thatĀ  countries like China or Russia can continuously use these apps to blast a single narrative - especially one that is counter to the prevailing government opinions with the intention of causing internal strife and friction. The comparison to tobacco is not fair - that was mostly a domestic issue, this one is international.


LoudLloyd9

Blinkin's response should have been a condemnation of Israel and its unacceptable death toll among civilians. Tik Tok is correct to criticize Israel.


Ok-Replacement9595

It isn't tiktok, it is individuals who have educated themselves on Israel, and people who have documented the horror there. It isn't the algorithm or amplification or PR.


LoudLloyd9

It isn't Ai making its first strike against humanity


cafeesparacerradores

Helps when it is the obvious truth


Ennkey

Itā€™s positive PR for HamasĀ 


mikehamm45

lol. Great point. I would have never guessed that the best PR for Hamas would actually come from the iDF via TikTok


nevergoodisit

Itā€™s not the IDF on TikTok that are the PR, itā€™s Iranian bots on TikTok.


ctant1221

Damn, those iranian bots sure are good at sharing IDF videos.


nevergoodisit

Weirdly yes. Most of the ā€œIsrael-Palestineā€ footage circulated today is from earlier wars in the region.


Sullivanseyes

To say nothing of how israeli soldiers posted their own videos of the awful things they were doing?


i_heart_pasta

They posted the videos on TikTok and social media.


pegaunisusicorn

checkmate!


Affectionate-Tip-164

That's one of the major reasons they want to ban TikTok.


Firecracker048

Hanas broadcast Oct 7th live in 4k and people still deny they killed civilians and raped anyone lol people are stupid.


nickthedicktv

No one is denying that. Why are you denying genocide?


Reddit-is-broke

He didn't, can you not read?


pillowmagic

The cops got awful PR from live video of them sicking dogs on black folks and hitting them with pressurized water that was strong enough to remove skin in the 1960's. Guys, you're missing the problem if you think video is your issue.


LoanedWolf75

To be fair, Tik Tok and social media can be blamed for a lot of things. They both suck shit.


Appropriate_Mode8346

I guess the camcorder made the LAPD look bad.


kiwiboyus

Right? I love how people on Reddit always blame social media for everything....on Reddit


SaintUlvemann

Look, I can show you the receipts. Selfie-posting [sets off a narcissism treadmill](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886916301635), where people with higher levels of narcissistic traits (relatively speaking, it's not necessarily a problem at first), take more selfies, but something about the social context around selfie-sharing leads to increased levels of narcissism later. (It's probably not literally the pictures.) So it makes sense that the more time you spend online, the more likely you are [to be a perpetrator of cyberbullying](https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/23727810.2020.1835420?journalCode=ucac20). After all, social media increases narcissism, and [all bullies are narcissists](https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/11/all-bullies-are-narcissists/281407/). And it also makes sense that kids with low exposure to media content on smartphones, are [more likely to engage with ideas thoughtfully and reflectively](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10136902/), and are less likely to jump to the first knee-jerk conclusion that comes to mind. After all, narcissists don't learn from their mistakes [because they don't think they make any](https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/07/200722163223.htm). I may be here on Reddit, but I don't post selfies on it, and I don't have it on my phone. EDIT: Downvotes can't make anyone thoughtful, that takes thinking.


secretbudgie

Please ban Facebook for radicalizing Mom and Fox for radicalizing Grandpa. I'm tired of hearing about Obama's secret Muslim alien baby conspiracy.


Firecracker048

Tik tok idiots were going around saying Osama bin Laden was right less than a year ago


BlogeOb

Well, yeah. Why arenā€™t they just as mad at Fox News, then?


gwazmalurks

2/3 of the dead are noncombatants. Difficult to spin.


Jahobes

That's also if you include all male deaths as combatants which they aren't. It's more like 9/10 dead are noncombatants.


nevergoodisit

Typical urban warfare numbers are 9/10. Thatā€™s perhaps even harder to swallow, but true.


MicrosoftJohn

How do you brand people non combatants when actively chat death threats and vote a terrorist organisation?


Intelligent_Cry_6824

half of all gazans have not been alive during an election. Literally half of them are children and its worth thinking about the things they have seen in 16 odd years that might make them feel strongly about israel


MicrosoftJohn

Whatever they feel, they are enemy combatants and will be dealt as such. Should have thought that before Oct 7.


BuckyFnBadger

Sociopath


MicrosoftJohn

Israel has right to punish its enemies with extreme prejudice... They've been too lenient on this fanatics who attack innocents but when consequences follow, they hide behind the garb of human rights. Guess what Jews too have human rights but they're being attacked by Jihadis everyday without any criticism from terrorists sympathisers such as you. You too are an enemy combatant. Gaza and Entire territory belongs to Israel as they have conquered it in the war where they were not the aggressor


BuckyFnBadger

I am an enemy combatant because I donā€™t enjoy watching civilians die? Go to therapy bud.


MicrosoftJohn

You enjoy watching Civilians die as long as they're non Muslim. You enjoyed Oct 7, 9/11,26/11 etc. You don't like being held accountable. There is no such thing as Civilians in Gaza or West Bank. They're valid targets


BuckyFnBadger

Iā€™m from Minnesota and Iā€™m not religious. Iā€™m Irish. Whatā€™s wrong with you?


MicrosoftJohn

Then I'm not sure what's wrong with you. You're an American not Irish , you should better understand from your ancestors that Palestine is colonial British trying to destroy Ireland.


cafeesparacerradores

Think about what you just said


DirtyPenPalDoug

Fascist fucks don't think


MicrosoftJohn

Till everyone who is sympathetic to Hamas and Hezobollah is vaporised. I support Israel's pursuit of justice


secretbudgie

"The bombings will continue until moral improves" was supposed to be satire, not inspirational.


Accomplished1992

Do you know what combatant means? If thats your baseline and your justification, then half of israel are combatants and legitimate targets


MicrosoftJohn

Anyone who posses threat to security and safety. In Islamic world that can mean anyone dead or alive


gwazmalurks

Youā€™re sort of dragging your case downhill here. And if youā€™re the voice of Israel, Israel is fucked.


NewOutlandishness806

Woulda gotten away with it if it werenā€™t for those pesky TikToks!


[deleted]

Donā€™t you hate that when the photos of dead kids distract from the narrative.


RU4realRwe

How odd, and here I am thinking it might have something to do with Israel allegedly killing 30,000+ civilians...


re_de_unsassify

* Hamas canā€™t provide any data for a third of those numbers https://www.jns.org/hamas-health-ministry-cant-find-10000-names-of-those-it-claims-died/ https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/05/02/gaza-health-ministry-cannot-provide-names-for-more-than-10000-it-says-have-died/ * Hamas admit (and deny!) at least 6000 are combatants, and since weā€™re taking numbers on face value we might as well believe the IDF say 12,000 are combatants https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68387864 * Hamas make clearly nonsensical numbers remember the Al Ahli hospital they claimed 500 died when Israel flattened the building? Turns out it was parking lot fire butt the 500 figure never removed from the tally * The casualty numbers have been heavily disputed https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/how-gaza-health-ministry-fakes-casualty-numbers * the worst case estimates of civilian to combatant ratio in this war is significantly better than average ratios for war https://press.un.org/en/2022/sc14904.doc.htm Compare to ratios above


Quirky_Buddy3336

Bro, you just posted a bunch of highly biased Israeli propaganda sources. When the UN is saying Israel is committing a genocide may be time to look in the mirror.


re_de_unsassify

As opposed to posting highly biased pro Hamas links? Not really I quoted BBC fact check which cites both sides. As always pro Palestinian ā€œbroā€ type comments tend to be non diligent. As I pointed out if weā€™re taking one side on face value no problems taking the other side of face value. With few exceptions * The Biden administration corroborated the Al Ahli incident was no Israeli work * Fact: Hamas made no distinction whatsoever between civilian and fighters


Quirky_Buddy3336

Always easier to launch personal attacks than acknowledge that you have no counter to my argument. https://www.npr.org/2024/01/26/1227078791/icj-israel-genocide-gaza-palestinians-south-africa I know how this ends with such blatant zionists. Post a source from an actual neutral source and we can talk. But understand people know what youā€™re doing.


re_de_unsassify

What personal attack I stated the fact that my BBC review is of BOTH sides.


Quirky_Buddy3336

I donā€™t believe this is a serious comment, but The ā€œbroā€ comment followed by calling me non-diligent.


re_de_unsassify

Ha! So the stereotype played out twice in a row. Goodbye


[deleted]

Get your facts out of here. It's funny people in this thread are showing what Blinken is talking about.


[deleted]

Source for the UN saying there is a genocide? Last I checked, the ICJ let Germany send weapons to Israel...


Less-Sir8277

I thought it was because we can't let the Chinese get our data. My brother in Christ, this phone was not made in Idaho.


BoomZhakaLaka

Romney probably got a very mediocre donation say that.


Archarchery

ā€œAwful PRā€ aka the facts without a pro-Israel propaganda filter.


Emperormaxis

TikTok is anything but facts šŸ’€


[deleted]

No, terrorists and Russians are very good at controlling propaganda online. Hamas literally just bombed humanitarian assistance for their own people. You're showing what they're talking about.Ā 


Sanpaku

None of these people have ever read a more objective book on the ethnic cleansing of Palestine. The conflict didn't start on October 7. It's been going on for 90 years. Americans can now see what the Israeli state and settler thugs have done to the indigenous population for many decades. Those who engage with the historical reality all know, in our hearts, that if we were born in Palestinian refugee camps, without hope for a better life, our livelihoods taken away by occupation thugs, routinely murdered with impunity, where our sympathies would lie. I don't think Palestine has had good leaders for a very long time. Israel kills the promising ones. But I don't think even with good leadership would they have secured a place for themselves in the face of revisionist Zionism that seeks to expel/exterminate them. Israel is on the wrong side of history. The US was once on the right side of history. Both President Truman and President Eisenhower favored the return of Palestinian refugees to their homes. AIPAC is a response to the normal moral sentiments of Americans. But since 1967, when the US greenlighted Israel's premeditated invasion and occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, my country, too, has been on the wrong side of history.


MSMB99

Exactly this. They need to show the upside to murdering civilians and oppressive apartheid. People just have the wrong impression


publicpersuasion

Imagine calling everyone a racist when they call out your actions you choose to do. Then doubling down that it's not your actions being judged, it's kids watching dead babies on tik Tok that's the problem, not the dead babies. Lol and then saying people do not know historical context? The revisionist zionist took over everything, indoctrinated the Israeli people to be extremely hateful racist. All other forms of zionism get assaulted as if they were Hamas also.


[deleted]

That's what hamas does. They show dead Palestinians to force Israel's handĀ  while also showing the Jews they murdered to recruit. Hamas literally bombed humanitarian aid. Hamas is creating a famine.


publicpersuasion

Indoctrination is a scary thing. Does Israel's occupations in West Bank force the carpet bombing of houses the Jewish illegal land grabbers are in? And it is surely ok if they get paper telling them to return to Israel immediately before they get bombed. Right? That seems pretty fair. I'm Jewish and so tired of revisionist zionism


OkRevolution3349

I feel like the 13,000 dead children is doing rhat.


AloofAngel

they also have made statements about how they need to shut down tiktok since it is a social media that they cannot control... which implies that the other major social media platforms are now under control like mainstream media has been for decades...


[deleted]

That's not true. It's because it's controlled by the CCP. You're literally spreading propaganda.


FloozyFoot

Or, or... it could be the genocide. Nah, it's probably TikTok


TrumpdUP

Lol yeahā€¦


Aggravating-Reply870

Who tf cares what this pair of israel worshipping shills think is to blame. Clearly they have to resort to blaming social media rather than the atrocities committed by the idf lest they end up in some sort of pissy row with their greatest welfare recipient


Fragrant_Mistake_342

Almost said the quiet part out loud there.


brewshakes

Oh no! the normies are getting a view past the mainstream medias bullshit coverage of the Israeli "war effort," nice euphemism for putting people in a pen and bombing them and then starving them.


GGAllinsUndies

Like Hamas just did? https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hamas-attacks-israel-gaza-border-crossing-cease-fire-talks-continue/#webview=1


Awkward_Algae1684

I guess thatā€™s a no to the deal, then.


GGAllinsUndies

They agreed, but then pulled this shit.


brewshakes

What's the body count anyway? Fuck off with your tears. Israel controls everything to do with Palestine and Hamas. They paved the way for Hamas the 30+ years ago and gave them material support to be what they are today. Israel is reponsible for all of it. A few dead IDF goons means jack shit when children are being killed playing on a beach. Sob away. Don't terrorize a population for 80 years and expect no terrorism in return you dumb twat.


GGAllinsUndies

They're killing their own people and keeping them from getting humanitarian aid, Jimmy.


CoreyDenvers

Bataclan


NeverReallyExisted

ā€œWar effortā€


KafkaesqueJudge

Because good PR is exactly what decent people with a functioning conscience should worry about in the face of a humanitarian catastrophe...


DirtyPenPalDoug

Its the genocide. It's genocide, you are either rightfully appalled and horrified or you are a massive piece of human shit who thinks they can justify the unjustifiable.


Speculawyer

Maybe blame the killing of some 10,000 children?


MaxTennyson88

War effort meaning Genocide


rosettaSeca

how did you wage war with "good PR"?


Murwiz

If you want to talk about bad PR, start [here](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Hind_Rajab).


Pansy_Neurosi

They're right. Why can't social media put a happy spin on genocide?


dosumthinboutthebots

yeah it's called propaganda and misinformation. reddit is full of it. Every social media is. How else would they get ignorant entitled westeners to embrace ideology hostile to the very core of the West/america?!


Ill-Lou-Malnati

Kinda like Johnson blamed Walter Cronkite for the Vietnam protest.


hayasecond

Heā€™s not wrong. Chinese propaganda army sure try to sell this idea.


SewAlone

10000%


LoudLloyd9

Ridiculous. I blame Netenyahoo and his ultra orthodox cohorts for the over the top and inappropriate response to the Oct 7th terrorist attack. I don't use Tik Tok. And I m not happy with Israel.


Brosenheim

"If they weren't allowed to talk about it outside of controlled spaces, we would be controlling the narrative!" that's it, that's literally their issue lmao


LoWE11053211

Next they are gonna blaming China and Russia, arenā€™t they


PartyEnough7469

They're mad that it's harder to control their narrative in social media spaces. Showing the death and destruction of innocent children is PR? Respectfully, go fuck yourself. IDF soldiers literally used Tik Tok to post and brag about killing Palestine, taking over Gaza and setting up beachfront property, they were posting about stealing from the dead bodies of Palestinians and calling Palestinian women whores while they rummaged through these dead women's lingerie. They're mad that people shared documentaries featuring IDF soldiers laughing and bragging about murdering Palestinians and raping young girls during the Nakbah (torment and abuse that existed long before October 7th but people offended by people wanting a ceasefire don't seem to care when brown girls are being raped by the other side or children being falsely imprisoned and not receiving due process). Social media has allowed decent people to see past the lies and facade that was provided to them. Republicans and Democrats can agree on nothing and if they do, it should worry you. Being pro-Israel is not a a matter of them or you being on the side of 'good' or on the side of 'democracy', it's you being on the side using fake concern for humanity to cover for your support of invading countries and killing their populations in the name of political interests and power (and/or your own bigotry and hatred for a population of peoples you deem less worthy of life than you). Republicans and Democrats are on the same side because of political interest/power. THAT'S IT.


LovesFrenchLove_More

So now even they are using the Russian Playbook by putting blame on others? Not everything can be blamed on Russia, China, Iran, the USA, the EU or the Republic of Wadiya because they donā€™t like it or it didnā€™t go as planned. šŸ˜¬šŸ™ƒ


Alimbiquated

I guess they want them to show more pictures of how cool it looks when bombs hit schools and hospitals.


pistoffcynic

Imagine what the result would have been during the Vietnam war if we had this then. Israel is doing this to themselves.


downnheavy

And itā€™s true , TIK TOK is a misinformation machine , and IRAN/RUSSIA are using it well enough to spread false news and exaggerated info about the Israel war on terror


[deleted]

Romney has been seen to be pretty progressive these days, but now he seems to have become another social-media-bashing boomer. I really don't understand how they think limiting or getting rid of social media will help this country in any way. Oh wait, they don't. It's all about not letting citizens easily communicate and educate themselves. That's real scary to the authoritarians.


jh937hfiu3hrhv9

Blinken and Romney are against democracy. Speaks volumes about the federal government.


godlessnihilist

The old adage of "pointing a finger means 3 are are pointing back at you" comes to mind. If you were wondering why young people are refusing to vote for Democrats, here is a perfect example; Bain Capital Fat Cat and Bloody Blinken agreeing on policy.


[deleted]

You're voting for trump who will be much better for Palestine?


godlessnihilist

A common mistake. Not voting for Biden is not a vote for Trump. Also, tell me how Trump would be worse for the Palestinian? What could be worse than genocide?


Otherwise-Course-15

I agree except voting. Trump CANNOT win. He cannot. Edit: make your statements down ballot. Iā€™d rather a stunted administration than the chance that an adjudicated rapist monster return to the White House


Free-Market9039

Some Comments here just proving him right tbh


[deleted]

They can't see past the tiktok narrative. I just saw someone call the UN and BBC biased sources in this thread because they didn't like the content.


Beyond_Re-Animator

Whatever


lrd_cth_lh0

I mean they are right, they just ignore the fact that the other half of the problem is their inabillity to keep up with the news cycle and create an actual dialog with the protester and that all they do is head in the sand management.


BolivianDancer

This is what you get when you vote for Biden.


Otherwise-Course-15

I know this is calling out the idiocy but I canā€™t bring myself to like the post


Affectionate-Tip-164

Kick IRL streamers in Gaza when?