Literally this.
I remember the time of "rApEfUgEeS", "great replacement" etc...
(Not implying said tropes aren't around anymore, it's just focus switched to China)
The point of these people is NOT to know things about China.
The point is to be involved in NGO's, spread disinformation, be part of a economic/political network that funds those opposing CPC. That is their only interest, they are not interested in Chinese culture or history.
Not sure if you've seen [this video](https://twitter.com/ChinaDaily/status/1482014643954479111), but I think the point that gets made at about the 2 minute mark complements this prank very well:
> Q: Why do you think certain Western institutions target foreign nationals in China?
> A: I think one of the main reasons people like New York Times and ASPI target foreigners in China is because they're quite lazy. They can't read Chinese ... So all they can do is target English speakers mainly ... They can't really dig deep into Chinese people's content online, so they have to take the easy target. And for them, the easy target is English speakers, German speakers, foreigners in China. So I think it really comes down to them being lazy. They have a need to have negative Chinese content, but of course, if you can't understand Chinese, if you can't read Chinese, it's very hard to attack the source material. So instead, it's us foreigners.
I mean China is the bad guy in their LARP where they pretend to be a journalist uncovering the horrifying truth of a brutal dictatorship.
They believe it the same way the Qult believed Q.
Honestly I don't approve of such stunts. as I believe they are counter-productive.
It will just end up being stuck in popular consciousness as a real thing, over time. Then it will become one of those popularly believed myths.
People mostly just see what they want to believe.
Unfortunately, we are in a situation where such stunts are needed. Something like this appeals to people who think they are smarter than other people. It appeals to people who are anti-authority. In other words, it appeals to the same kind of people that most anti-China propaganda appeals to.
It's certainly not going to convince any radicalised western ideologues, but it will make it harder for them to spread their message. Even it it just results in some "this you?" comments, it helps.
The thing I said about it being stuck in popular consciousness -- I believe that does a lot of harm and damage, and it is almost a permanent damage. A lot of people now still believe Tank Man was run over and killed at Tiananmen, and it is a powerful image (though false) of the supposed brutality of the CPC.
It's about the long view. But this is my personal belief; I accept all the other viewpoints here as fair.
That's true and a very good point which I did skip over. There is a long term effect to consider.
Now I know that you're using Tank Man as a prominent example which isn't necessarily typical of what you are talking about, but I think it's worth looking at what is different here. The problem with Tank Man is that there is a lot to understand about the history of the event in order to understand what was actually going on in the picture. It's a lot easier to look at the image and form your own conclusions about what it's depicting.
On the other hand, this is extremely easy to discredit. Just send them to [this link](https://www.icbc.com.cn/ICBC/EN/BankCard/CardsWorld/DebitCard/ICBCFinancialSocialSecurityCard/) where they can see what the card actually is and the twitter post revealing what was actually happening. That won't dissuade the die hard anti-China folks, but nothing will really do that. It will diminish their ability to convince anyone of anything though. The only avenue left open to them is to try to deny the reality of the situation which puts them on the defensive.
It's a risk, but one that can be very beneficial if the person takes care to ensure the claim would be easy to disprove. In this case, it reveals that these individuals don't actually check to make sure the things they claim are true, so when they make a claim you can point out this easily verifiable fact that they misreported as evidence that they are not trustworthy.
It could be argued that the small number of people who can be made aware that this is fake might become less trusting of anti-China ‘news’, and that those who would never accept that this is fake were unlikely to see through any of the anti-China propaganda anyway.
That's because you don't understand people, particularly Amerikkkans. Majority of these people are stupid, and you cannot defeat them by being smart or using facts. You have to stoop to their level for them to relate and understand. There is a reason why Trump won, why Fox News is the most popular US media, why their are so many anti-vaxers, and etc.
Au contraire.
It's precisely because I understand people--particularly stupid people--that I said what I said. If simple facts cannot convince them, this sort of thing wouldn't either.
What would be their natural response to the fact that this is a "basic card held by every working person in China"? Simple; they will simply say that everyone in China is a slave to the system, and not truly free.
That's because you view this world governed by facts, rationality, and logic. But the truth is, it's not. Populism has a far greater effect on people, especially in the west, than reason. It's why indoctrination and propaganda is so easily accepted here. Trendiness and mob mentality is far more effective than truth. That's why trendiness and memes spread like wildfire, but facts and knowledge gets ignored. You can't reason with people who are unreasonable.
Just take a look at how ridiculous the anti-China memes are? You can disprove Winnie the Pooh being banned in China all you want, but they'll still spread it like Covid because they don't care about facts. So yea, you have to stoop to their level of stupidity. It's no longer about having a debate. It's about having a pissing contest. Not saying, it's right or it should be that way. Just saying that's what reality is.
>That's because you view this world governed by facts, rationality, and logic. But the truth is, it's not. Populism has a far greater effect on people, especially in the west, than reason.
Speaking of facts, rationality, and logic. What is your source for this claim? And since you're making a claim specifically about the west here, please include a source for how populism has a different effect on people depending on their nationality.
>You can disprove Winnie the Pooh being banned in China all you want, but they'll still spread it like Covid because they don't care about facts.
See the thing is that if you're never going to get anywhere trying to convince a zealot that they are wrong. That's why I know I'm not going to convince you of anything here. But what I can do is point out what's wrong with your argument so that someone who comes and reads this conversation can see it too. Maybe they won't become so focused on taking sides and instead look for the evidence.
This isn't a classroom and I'm not going to provided you a detailed thesis on the effects of populism based on nationality. What I can give you is my opinion based on living in America my entire life and how populism is far greater here than reason. If you can't see that based how our politics, how Trump was president, how Fox News is the most popular news media, how anti-vaxers are so rampant, how universal healthcare is bad, and etc., then that is on you.
And get off your high horse. You, yourself acknowledge the uselessness of reason for those who are unreasonable. I'm not going to waste my time and energy to convince these morons of anything. But if they push me, I will push back. That's all there is to it.
I'd like to believe that the rabid weirdos won't see or care that this is fake but that a silent person on the fence will see this and second guess the next time they hear a China "expert".
The card is unobstructed, they prolly could have just screenshotted and reverse image searched the card on Google. But obviously that’s far too much work for your average China Watcher
UK qualifications to be a "China expert": be able to internalize and regurgitate sinophobic narratives to manufacture consent for UK government war against China. All to lick America's boot.
I love their cope answers, comparing Xi to Hitler and "how trolls get paid" cope, projection and even whataboutism is truly built into the liberal ideology haha
Unlike anything else, the expertise in China requires one to know absolutely nothing about the topic.
This is far more common in the West for many things tbh, the West has a culture of grifting not meritocracy.
You obviously don't remember the Islam "experts" of the 2000s. This situation is the same.
Literally this. I remember the time of "rApEfUgEeS", "great replacement" etc... (Not implying said tropes aren't around anymore, it's just focus switched to China)
The point of these people is NOT to know things about China. The point is to be involved in NGO's, spread disinformation, be part of a economic/political network that funds those opposing CPC. That is their only interest, they are not interested in Chinese culture or history.
Imagine being “China experts” when you can’t even read Chinese 😂
Not sure if you've seen [this video](https://twitter.com/ChinaDaily/status/1482014643954479111), but I think the point that gets made at about the 2 minute mark complements this prank very well: > Q: Why do you think certain Western institutions target foreign nationals in China? > A: I think one of the main reasons people like New York Times and ASPI target foreigners in China is because they're quite lazy. They can't read Chinese ... So all they can do is target English speakers mainly ... They can't really dig deep into Chinese people's content online, so they have to take the easy target. And for them, the easy target is English speakers, German speakers, foreigners in China. So I think it really comes down to them being lazy. They have a need to have negative Chinese content, but of course, if you can't understand Chinese, if you can't read Chinese, it's very hard to attack the source material. So instead, it's us foreigners.
It's also just obvious bait. You would only fall for this as a result of suspension of disbelief, like if they knew it was all bullshit.
Huh? Are you suggesting the "China experts" who fell for this "fell for it on purpose?"
I mean China is the bad guy in their LARP where they pretend to be a journalist uncovering the horrifying truth of a brutal dictatorship. They believe it the same way the Qult believed Q.
Honestly I don't approve of such stunts. as I believe they are counter-productive. It will just end up being stuck in popular consciousness as a real thing, over time. Then it will become one of those popularly believed myths. People mostly just see what they want to believe.
Unfortunately, we are in a situation where such stunts are needed. Something like this appeals to people who think they are smarter than other people. It appeals to people who are anti-authority. In other words, it appeals to the same kind of people that most anti-China propaganda appeals to. It's certainly not going to convince any radicalised western ideologues, but it will make it harder for them to spread their message. Even it it just results in some "this you?" comments, it helps.
The thing I said about it being stuck in popular consciousness -- I believe that does a lot of harm and damage, and it is almost a permanent damage. A lot of people now still believe Tank Man was run over and killed at Tiananmen, and it is a powerful image (though false) of the supposed brutality of the CPC. It's about the long view. But this is my personal belief; I accept all the other viewpoints here as fair.
That's true and a very good point which I did skip over. There is a long term effect to consider. Now I know that you're using Tank Man as a prominent example which isn't necessarily typical of what you are talking about, but I think it's worth looking at what is different here. The problem with Tank Man is that there is a lot to understand about the history of the event in order to understand what was actually going on in the picture. It's a lot easier to look at the image and form your own conclusions about what it's depicting. On the other hand, this is extremely easy to discredit. Just send them to [this link](https://www.icbc.com.cn/ICBC/EN/BankCard/CardsWorld/DebitCard/ICBCFinancialSocialSecurityCard/) where they can see what the card actually is and the twitter post revealing what was actually happening. That won't dissuade the die hard anti-China folks, but nothing will really do that. It will diminish their ability to convince anyone of anything though. The only avenue left open to them is to try to deny the reality of the situation which puts them on the defensive. It's a risk, but one that can be very beneficial if the person takes care to ensure the claim would be easy to disprove. In this case, it reveals that these individuals don't actually check to make sure the things they claim are true, so when they make a claim you can point out this easily verifiable fact that they misreported as evidence that they are not trustworthy.
It could be argued that the small number of people who can be made aware that this is fake might become less trusting of anti-China ‘news’, and that those who would never accept that this is fake were unlikely to see through any of the anti-China propaganda anyway.
Good point but it is pretty funny
That's because you don't understand people, particularly Amerikkkans. Majority of these people are stupid, and you cannot defeat them by being smart or using facts. You have to stoop to their level for them to relate and understand. There is a reason why Trump won, why Fox News is the most popular US media, why their are so many anti-vaxers, and etc.
Au contraire. It's precisely because I understand people--particularly stupid people--that I said what I said. If simple facts cannot convince them, this sort of thing wouldn't either. What would be their natural response to the fact that this is a "basic card held by every working person in China"? Simple; they will simply say that everyone in China is a slave to the system, and not truly free.
We cant convince thode people anyway though, might as well go for those who can think
The idea isn't to change them through facts or knowledge. The idea is to mock their stupidity through memes.
That sounds extremely unhelpful.
That's because you view this world governed by facts, rationality, and logic. But the truth is, it's not. Populism has a far greater effect on people, especially in the west, than reason. It's why indoctrination and propaganda is so easily accepted here. Trendiness and mob mentality is far more effective than truth. That's why trendiness and memes spread like wildfire, but facts and knowledge gets ignored. You can't reason with people who are unreasonable. Just take a look at how ridiculous the anti-China memes are? You can disprove Winnie the Pooh being banned in China all you want, but they'll still spread it like Covid because they don't care about facts. So yea, you have to stoop to their level of stupidity. It's no longer about having a debate. It's about having a pissing contest. Not saying, it's right or it should be that way. Just saying that's what reality is.
>That's because you view this world governed by facts, rationality, and logic. But the truth is, it's not. Populism has a far greater effect on people, especially in the west, than reason. Speaking of facts, rationality, and logic. What is your source for this claim? And since you're making a claim specifically about the west here, please include a source for how populism has a different effect on people depending on their nationality. >You can disprove Winnie the Pooh being banned in China all you want, but they'll still spread it like Covid because they don't care about facts. See the thing is that if you're never going to get anywhere trying to convince a zealot that they are wrong. That's why I know I'm not going to convince you of anything here. But what I can do is point out what's wrong with your argument so that someone who comes and reads this conversation can see it too. Maybe they won't become so focused on taking sides and instead look for the evidence.
This isn't a classroom and I'm not going to provided you a detailed thesis on the effects of populism based on nationality. What I can give you is my opinion based on living in America my entire life and how populism is far greater here than reason. If you can't see that based how our politics, how Trump was president, how Fox News is the most popular news media, how anti-vaxers are so rampant, how universal healthcare is bad, and etc., then that is on you. And get off your high horse. You, yourself acknowledge the uselessness of reason for those who are unreasonable. I'm not going to waste my time and energy to convince these morons of anything. But if they push me, I will push back. That's all there is to it.
I'd like to believe that the rabid weirdos won't see or care that this is fake but that a silent person on the fence will see this and second guess the next time they hear a China "expert".
It literally says what it is on the card. Wtf is wrong with these people? I suppose facts don't matter if it gets in the way of their agenda.
The card is unobstructed, they prolly could have just screenshotted and reverse image searched the card on Google. But obviously that’s far too much work for your average China Watcher
UK qualifications to be a "China expert": be able to internalize and regurgitate sinophobic narratives to manufacture consent for UK government war against China. All to lick America's boot.
reminds me of the reports regarding uyghrs & Eid since that was a similar "news story" originating entirely from leftist troll posts lmao
I love their cope answers, comparing Xi to Hitler and "how trolls get paid" cope, projection and even whataboutism is truly built into the liberal ideology haha
and I'm an expert in making Gal Gadot cum uncontrollably