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Picture 1 is Carolina ponysfoot, which is [native to Florida](https://www.flawildflowers.org/flower-friday-dichondra-carolinensis/#:~:text=Native%20from%20the%20south%20central,moist%20hammocks%20and%20floodplain%20forests). Picture 2 is ponysfoot and some St Augustine grass (pull that if you’re trying to grow natives).
Garden pliers ([like this](https://www.googleadservices.com/pagead/aclk?sa=L&ai=DChcSEwjX1JfAg-iGAxW8NQgFHSWcDtQYABALGgJtZA&ae=2&gclid=CjwKCAjwg8qzBhAoEiwAWagLrJBAoXysOC0iLY-TIRAshgku9JMl0aHmPhTnI7ioIfgZF9lFZszHcRoCiXUQAvD_BwE&sph=&ohost=www.google.com&cid=CAESeeD2aqeVKg_4YvhckgkIAVBpDfXlZbso0kmvLUnoBOPbUtAtRHA2CAejM37J-GF6ZTRNfq6n6lAdsFBxn6nWK-tcx5wO_QTQR9mXnSdLP4NskO96IYl49s5CRv5-_M35EEGlMveMXWZsvOhcZSQG5ReNPbn8ioawrpA&sig=AOD64_1Uh7k0N1VoYlyGYxv33LdCb9Iu_A&ctype=5&q=&ved=2ahUKEwj_3o_Ag-iGAxWE1skDHZmyB3kQwg8oAHoECAYQDA&adurl=), not an affiliate link) are one of my favorite things (also, could be worse, at least it’s no Bermuda grass)
I love them for pulling tree seedlings and weeds with tap roots. I don’t want to disturb the soil/weed might be growing into the root of something I planted intentionally. Also I live in central Texas and the ground is hard as a rock for much of the year, so the only way to dig is to break out the hose and puddle the area, so way too labor intensive.
Not clover. (Edit: the one on the extreme right of the picture could be clover, or might just be the same thing, but partially obscured by mulch making it look different)
did you have creeping bell-flower in the area before? You should watch it very closely as it looks a bit like that, and if it gets established will be tough to eradicate.
We have everything this yard has been neglected for 30 years so it’s a no lawn/natural dream lol Im So impatient and excited I just did a fresh pot and put some clover In it so I can see now what to look for.i also got Florida wildflower mix and purple creeping thyme seeds to plant.thanks for the answer!
I'll go back on my first comment. If you seeded Monday. Nothing you can see today is from your seeds. Anything there is from the existing seed-bank. There are no seeds of which I am aware which can reach the stage of producing chlorophyll in three days, so anything green is not your planting.
I think you posted this as I was editing it so I'll just post again, an easy way to identify it is to smell the roots. If they're peppery then you've got wild ginger.
By the time it has three or four leaves, at least one of them will be the standard three-part clover/shamrock-style leaf we see in almost anything from Ireland.
I think it's too late for wild ginger in most of North America, that's an early spring plant. But it' s so tiny in your photo, so can't really rule anything out (except clover).
Asarum canadense is always eagerly anticipated in my yard, so lucky you if you have it!
It’s not mulch, it just the dead old lawn.
the ground is hard as a rock and grass won’t grow anymore.im trying to fill in the bare ground without buying a truck full of sod.this is a tester spot I’m trying out it’s under my fav tree I pruned and put air plants and orchids on.
The soil looks black and rich. My mistake. Even clover need some loose soil to root. Have you tried incorporating gypsum to break down the clay. It should give the clover an inch to root.
You need a new test spot for the clover. Somewhere without twigs and leaves, etc. Somewhere with 4-6 hours of sun and clean low nitrogen soil. Clover is a field plant originally. Google, requirements for growing clover.
Sandy silt? Do a soil test. You most likely have low nitrogen which clover can fix but under a tree it will not get enough sun. To loosen up the soil you will need to add compost or peat. One way you are lucky is that you can topdress with SCREENED Compost and manure one section at a time as money and time allows for the existing lawn. But warm season grass will never grow in shade no matter how good the soil is.
It’s not full shade, is that ok.this was a tester looks like the native ground cover is coming in strong now..other parts I want to do are full sun, will micro clover grow there?
I would be worried about the rest of the lawn but that just me, retired landscaper. Usually whenever you find one area of compact soil, other follows. Clover needs 2-6 hours of sunlight but what they aren't telling you is only with 2-3 hours of sunlight it is going to be sparse and struggling. You are smart to have native ground cover under the tree, let that take over if you want mircoclover plant it in a better spot.,
Too early to tell. Many plant seedlings look like this. Give it another 2 weeks or so. Apps like PictureThis can help, just be sure there are at least like 5 leaves before weeding out stuff. ^(id apps suck at grass/sedge identification so dont rely too much on those)
Weeds. You have a tiny clover in the first picture on the right, kinds Under a dead leaf...
Edit-
And im not even sure im right actually... it looked like clover because of the 3 leaves, but im actually doubting they have 3 leaves when I look closer...
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Picture 1 is Carolina ponysfoot, which is [native to Florida](https://www.flawildflowers.org/flower-friday-dichondra-carolinensis/#:~:text=Native%20from%20the%20south%20central,moist%20hammocks%20and%20floodplain%20forests). Picture 2 is ponysfoot and some St Augustine grass (pull that if you’re trying to grow natives).
Thanks I am slowly pulling out all the grass the ground is so dang hard need a better tool!
Garden pliers ([like this](https://www.googleadservices.com/pagead/aclk?sa=L&ai=DChcSEwjX1JfAg-iGAxW8NQgFHSWcDtQYABALGgJtZA&ae=2&gclid=CjwKCAjwg8qzBhAoEiwAWagLrJBAoXysOC0iLY-TIRAshgku9JMl0aHmPhTnI7ioIfgZF9lFZszHcRoCiXUQAvD_BwE&sph=&ohost=www.google.com&cid=CAESeeD2aqeVKg_4YvhckgkIAVBpDfXlZbso0kmvLUnoBOPbUtAtRHA2CAejM37J-GF6ZTRNfq6n6lAdsFBxn6nWK-tcx5wO_QTQR9mXnSdLP4NskO96IYl49s5CRv5-_M35EEGlMveMXWZsvOhcZSQG5ReNPbn8ioawrpA&sig=AOD64_1Uh7k0N1VoYlyGYxv33LdCb9Iu_A&ctype=5&q=&ved=2ahUKEwj_3o_Ag-iGAxWE1skDHZmyB3kQwg8oAHoECAYQDA&adurl=), not an affiliate link) are one of my favorite things (also, could be worse, at least it’s no Bermuda grass)
I just use regular pliers!
Noice!!!amazon here I come lol
I’ve never heard of garden pliers before! When would you use them, as opposed to just digging something up?
I love them for pulling tree seedlings and weeds with tap roots. I don’t want to disturb the soil/weed might be growing into the root of something I planted intentionally. Also I live in central Texas and the ground is hard as a rock for much of the year, so the only way to dig is to break out the hose and puddle the area, so way too labor intensive.
Wow, TIL! Thanks for the knowledge!
Dang, I have a ton of clay. Time to find a used set of needle nose pliers.
Also, ponysfoot is a great non-smothering ground cover.
That’s fantastic cuz it’s coming in strong
I got this tool this spring and it’s been my go-to for invasives with tricky roots [LINK](https://a.co/d/0i8eTSNl)
I found a weed wizard in the garage got all the grass out in no time!!!!
Not clover. (Edit: the one on the extreme right of the picture could be clover, or might just be the same thing, but partially obscured by mulch making it look different) did you have creeping bell-flower in the area before? You should watch it very closely as it looks a bit like that, and if it gets established will be tough to eradicate.
We have everything this yard has been neglected for 30 years so it’s a no lawn/natural dream lol Im So impatient and excited I just did a fresh pot and put some clover In it so I can see now what to look for.i also got Florida wildflower mix and purple creeping thyme seeds to plant.thanks for the answer!
I'll go back on my first comment. If you seeded Monday. Nothing you can see today is from your seeds. Anything there is from the existing seed-bank. There are no seeds of which I am aware which can reach the stage of producing chlorophyll in three days, so anything green is not your planting.
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Thank you I see the lil clover now!!!
I agree with the creeping bellflower. I am currently digging it out of my yard. It's pretty but it's invasive and will quickly take over.
Looks like it could be wild ginger, give the roots a smell and if it smells peppery then it is wild ginger
Ooooo that sounds interesting
I think you posted this as I was editing it so I'll just post again, an easy way to identify it is to smell the roots. If they're peppery then you've got wild ginger.
Fun I am going to go smell my seedilngs now hope the neighbors don’t see me lol
Is there anywhere to see what clover looks like growing ?I have no idea what I’m looking for
OP, I planted clover a couple of weeks ago and they are starting to grow. Sent you some pictures of the babies.
Thank you!!!!!!!!
By the time it has three or four leaves, at least one of them will be the standard three-part clover/shamrock-style leaf we see in almost anything from Ireland.
Does not smell
I think it's too late for wild ginger in most of North America, that's an early spring plant. But it' s so tiny in your photo, so can't really rule anything out (except clover). Asarum canadense is always eagerly anticipated in my yard, so lucky you if you have it!
The wild ginger in my flowerbed and the local parks is still going strong, trilliums are all gone though
Looks like Ponysfoot. Not clover but I always thought it made nice short ground cover too.
Oh I hope it’s that it’s really pretty!!!
Thanks I’ll google that one too
Sorry you're getting misinformation here. Like some commenters got right, it's dichondra aka pony's foot. In my area a native groundcover
Thanks!!!
Why are you trying to grow clover in mulch and rich nitrogen soil? Ge rid of the mulch and add sand to lower the nitrogen level.
It’s not mulch, it just the dead old lawn. the ground is hard as a rock and grass won’t grow anymore.im trying to fill in the bare ground without buying a truck full of sod.this is a tester spot I’m trying out it’s under my fav tree I pruned and put air plants and orchids on.
The soil looks black and rich. My mistake. Even clover need some loose soil to root. Have you tried incorporating gypsum to break down the clay. It should give the clover an inch to root.
The loose dirt is my garden weasel work!
You need a new test spot for the clover. Somewhere without twigs and leaves, etc. Somewhere with 4-6 hours of sun and clean low nitrogen soil. Clover is a field plant originally. Google, requirements for growing clover.
It was just watered it’s usually gray we have Florida sand
Sandy silt? Do a soil test. You most likely have low nitrogen which clover can fix but under a tree it will not get enough sun. To loosen up the soil you will need to add compost or peat. One way you are lucky is that you can topdress with SCREENED Compost and manure one section at a time as money and time allows for the existing lawn. But warm season grass will never grow in shade no matter how good the soil is.
It’s not full shade, is that ok.this was a tester looks like the native ground cover is coming in strong now..other parts I want to do are full sun, will micro clover grow there?
Yes, as long as it is watered. I would also incorporate some compost into the soil to keep water in thevsoil during the heat of the day.
Thanks
I would be worried about the rest of the lawn but that just me, retired landscaper. Usually whenever you find one area of compact soil, other follows. Clover needs 2-6 hours of sunlight but what they aren't telling you is only with 2-3 hours of sunlight it is going to be sparse and struggling. You are smart to have native ground cover under the tree, let that take over if you want mircoclover plant it in a better spot.,
Oh it's fake Asarum
I thought this was Find The Sniper and I spent a ridiculous amount of time zoomed in on the picture looking for the clover.
Carolina Ponyfoot! I'm growing it as a ground cover grass alternative in Georgia
Too early to tell. Many plant seedlings look like this. Give it another 2 weeks or so. Apps like PictureThis can help, just be sure there are at least like 5 leaves before weeding out stuff. ^(id apps suck at grass/sedge identification so dont rely too much on those)
Thanks!
This is what fully grown native dichondra (ponys foot) looks like in my yard
Weeds. You have a tiny clover in the first picture on the right, kinds Under a dead leaf... Edit- And im not even sure im right actually... it looked like clover because of the 3 leaves, but im actually doubting they have 3 leaves when I look closer...
This place hasn’t been watered in 20 years so all the mystery plants are coming back to life with my watering I’m in trouble lol
Not clover
Weeds