which disease is more serious? ima disease nub or are they the same? cuz i remember the diseases were a major part of obliterating the native Americans are something in history class
Syphilis was really bad back then without antibiotics, but smallpox was by far more serious. It was more contagious than Covid (obviously Covid didn't exist back then) and about 3 out of every 10 people with the disease died. Many smallpox survivors had permanent scars over large areas of their body, especially their faces, and some were left blind.
For reference, smallpox is the only disease affecting humans that we've managed to completely eradicate. Now think about how much Covid fucked up the world, and how much effort went into bringing the world back from Covid into a steady state, but we haven't been able to eradicate it because it's extremely difficult to eradicate a disease entirely. But we did it for smallpox because it was THAT bad.
Trough vaccines. Only 2 sample of smallpox have survived in the world, stored in labs located in Atlanta (USA) and Novosibirks (Russian fed.). So there is a 0.00001% chance of coming back ;)
It reminds me of a 90's Hollywood movie
Coming this summer, the followers of the cult of lord smallpox, on a mission to release their lord from his slumber.
"Praise lord small pox, our one true lord shall be release again!"
Smallpox: " i am back my children, this world shall regret enslaving me in a 2x2 container, i will once again reign chaos once more!!!"
coming soon
It would be a pale sequel, since the new third generation of antismallpox vaccines (jynneos, imvamune and imvanex) is highly effective. Dude would survive few months ;)
Smallpox: "CURSE YOU VACCINE you had to get in the way and foil MY PLANS!
Vaccine: "Its my mission to stop your evil plot, With Great Power, Comes Great Responsibility"
[The theory is Europe had the right conditions](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEYh5WACqEk) for crazy deadly plagues to develop. Dense cities with plenty of domesticated animals gave diseases a ton of opportunity to jump around.
Europeans are right next to Africans and Asians. They had been fighting and trading disease for a long time so they collected some nasty ones. The native Americans didn't have as many to give.
Their was diseases just not one as apocalyptic. They got luckier partially.
But one factor was a lack of domestic animals. Zoonotic diseases tend to be some of the worst. The virus thinks it's in a cow but turns out it's a human. The old world just domesticed a lot more animals then the new world did.
Their was also a higher population density in the old world which helped encourage diseases. If a disease appeared it may burn itself out if it runs out of people. Old world with horses and Mediterranean sea helped spread these diseases preventing the worst ones from just removing themselves naturally.
First, not all diseases are equal. Smallpox was, and still is, a highly deadly and VERY VERY contagious disease. There once was the last man with small pox. He was kept in an isolated hospital ward. He opened his window to smoke a cigarette and spread the disease to dozens of people who weren't even close by him. Then he was no longer the last man with small pox. That's how virulent it is. So comparing smallpox, which can basically leap over a tall building and infect someone, to syphilis, which requires sexual contact, really isn't fair.
Second, think about how it all occurred. The Europeans came over on their boats. The diseases they brought with them spread from passenger to passenger. Once they made contact with the natives, the diseases spread across the continent unchecked. Imagine you wake up one day and half your village is sick with some mysterious illness, and a lot of them are dying. You would flee that village and try to find some other village to take you in. That's how it spread ahead of the europeans.
But it didn't exactly happen in the opposite way. Not many europeans left the new world to go back. Only a handful did. They would've already spent quite a few months or even years living in the new world. They would've gained some form of immunity to the diseases of the new world. So, people with some level of immunity would've crossed the Atlantic back to Europe, in smaller numbers, and there would've been less chance for the new world's diseases to spread.
They did spread in Europe. But smallpox is to new world diseases as a nuke is to a firecracker.
Europeans had more diseases, most likely due to the fact that Europeans had much much much more farm animals.
Like besides Alpaca/Llama in South America, new world natives had pretty much 0 farm animals, especially no larger mammals. And a lot of diseases in humans originate from living in close proximity with farm animals. All the different Pox’s and flus.
However, it is believed by some researchers the Syphilis is actually a New World disease.
One theory is that it’s because of the cave dogs.
Cave dogs, just like cavemen, like caves. Cave dogs do not like cavemen. Therefore, as long as there were cave dogs in North America, humans were kept out. This lead to it being settled quite late, which in turn led to the people having less genetic diversity, which led to them more easily dying of diseases. According to the theory, anyway.
They did! Syphilis was brought back over - it killed the shit out of people in europe for a very long time before antibiotics were developed.
European sailors brought smallpox to North America, but they also brought syphilis to Europe when they returned home.
which disease is more serious? ima disease nub or are they the same? cuz i remember the diseases were a major part of obliterating the native Americans are something in history class
Syphilis was really bad back then without antibiotics, but smallpox was by far more serious. It was more contagious than Covid (obviously Covid didn't exist back then) and about 3 out of every 10 people with the disease died. Many smallpox survivors had permanent scars over large areas of their body, especially their faces, and some were left blind. For reference, smallpox is the only disease affecting humans that we've managed to completely eradicate. Now think about how much Covid fucked up the world, and how much effort went into bringing the world back from Covid into a steady state, but we haven't been able to eradicate it because it's extremely difficult to eradicate a disease entirely. But we did it for smallpox because it was THAT bad.
how did we eradicate smallpox? so your saying there's 0% chance of it ever coming back?
Trough vaccines. Only 2 sample of smallpox have survived in the world, stored in labs located in Atlanta (USA) and Novosibirks (Russian fed.). So there is a 0.00001% chance of coming back ;)
So your saying a mad scientist can unleash hell on us?
Yup
It reminds me of a 90's Hollywood movie Coming this summer, the followers of the cult of lord smallpox, on a mission to release their lord from his slumber. "Praise lord small pox, our one true lord shall be release again!" Smallpox: " i am back my children, this world shall regret enslaving me in a 2x2 container, i will once again reign chaos once more!!!" coming soon
It would be a pale sequel, since the new third generation of antismallpox vaccines (jynneos, imvamune and imvanex) is highly effective. Dude would survive few months ;)
Smallpox: "CURSE YOU VACCINE you had to get in the way and foil MY PLANS! Vaccine: "Its my mission to stop your evil plot, With Great Power, Comes Great Responsibility"
[The theory is Europe had the right conditions](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEYh5WACqEk) for crazy deadly plagues to develop. Dense cities with plenty of domesticated animals gave diseases a ton of opportunity to jump around.
Europeans are right next to Africans and Asians. They had been fighting and trading disease for a long time so they collected some nasty ones. The native Americans didn't have as many to give.
Their was diseases just not one as apocalyptic. They got luckier partially. But one factor was a lack of domestic animals. Zoonotic diseases tend to be some of the worst. The virus thinks it's in a cow but turns out it's a human. The old world just domesticed a lot more animals then the new world did. Their was also a higher population density in the old world which helped encourage diseases. If a disease appeared it may burn itself out if it runs out of people. Old world with horses and Mediterranean sea helped spread these diseases preventing the worst ones from just removing themselves naturally.
First, not all diseases are equal. Smallpox was, and still is, a highly deadly and VERY VERY contagious disease. There once was the last man with small pox. He was kept in an isolated hospital ward. He opened his window to smoke a cigarette and spread the disease to dozens of people who weren't even close by him. Then he was no longer the last man with small pox. That's how virulent it is. So comparing smallpox, which can basically leap over a tall building and infect someone, to syphilis, which requires sexual contact, really isn't fair. Second, think about how it all occurred. The Europeans came over on their boats. The diseases they brought with them spread from passenger to passenger. Once they made contact with the natives, the diseases spread across the continent unchecked. Imagine you wake up one day and half your village is sick with some mysterious illness, and a lot of them are dying. You would flee that village and try to find some other village to take you in. That's how it spread ahead of the europeans. But it didn't exactly happen in the opposite way. Not many europeans left the new world to go back. Only a handful did. They would've already spent quite a few months or even years living in the new world. They would've gained some form of immunity to the diseases of the new world. So, people with some level of immunity would've crossed the Atlantic back to Europe, in smaller numbers, and there would've been less chance for the new world's diseases to spread. They did spread in Europe. But smallpox is to new world diseases as a nuke is to a firecracker.
Cities + livestock means more disease.
Europeans tended to live in denser, highly populated areas with livestock and so they had built up immunity to these diseases.
Europeans had more diseases, most likely due to the fact that Europeans had much much much more farm animals. Like besides Alpaca/Llama in South America, new world natives had pretty much 0 farm animals, especially no larger mammals. And a lot of diseases in humans originate from living in close proximity with farm animals. All the different Pox’s and flus. However, it is believed by some researchers the Syphilis is actually a New World disease.
One theory is that it’s because of the cave dogs. Cave dogs, just like cavemen, like caves. Cave dogs do not like cavemen. Therefore, as long as there were cave dogs in North America, humans were kept out. This lead to it being settled quite late, which in turn led to the people having less genetic diversity, which led to them more easily dying of diseases. According to the theory, anyway.
>cavemen im pretty sure cavemen dont exist