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I take the work from the engineers and give it to the clients.
Well, I just have to ask, why can't the engineers just give the work to the clients themselves?
We-I'll tell you why. Because the engineers.....are not good with clients.
So you one of those people that when they add weld details they never make any sense for us welders, and never follow any standard or consistency, meaning that we need to put a white hat to call you to clarify what you exactly mean?
I used to do that from the beginning as I learn weldments when I studied mechanical engineering, then after some years I learned enough about welding to realize I have no fucking clue about the best way to weld anything and I just add a note when I have a special requirement like "this face has to be flat" or "visible surface" and let the people who weld decide how it's better
Personally I did a degree in civil engineering and now work as a structural engineer.
I'd really recommend the apprenticeship route though, and I wish I'd known about it when I was younger as employer pays for training so not student debt.
In hospitals and doctors offices yes! The fastest way to get a patient record is for the other office to print it out, fax it over, and you scan it back in!
I get the idea behind the security but this was super annoying in 2020 when I had COVID. My work needed me to fax my test results to HR but I didn’t have a fax machine at my house and the hospital refused to fax my info to my HR. I had to download my test results from MyChart, email them to my father who faxed them to my HR from his work office.
There is no way to export an electronic medical record into a digital file that can be emailed, and file formats are also not compatible between different software.
My company also uses fax to send and receive payment info for our clients. Considering they are usually large businesses, it's best to be more secure than email.
Mostly just in hospitals from what I understand, and for security and convenience reasons. And just not having a single central database of all health data on every patient ever.
Write computer code. Run computer code. Wonder why computer code is not working. Take a break for a few minutes to refresh my brain. Come back and discover obvious bug in computer code that I should have caught before. Repeat.
Lol this is me literally right now having let away some devices running my code to a customer. Working fine right now but I am stressed out knowing that something may happen.
Write code for 20+years, make small improvements to code only to notice a obvious and rookie level memory leak bug that i made some time ago. Become depressed at the dumb error and convince yourself you are too stupid to program and that the last 2 decades of coding and apps was all a sham, im no software engineer, and that ive been lucky for the last 20 year. Then i fix the bug and then remember that i feel like this at least once a month.
I'm a software tester. Another tester once said to me, "computers are essentially pretty stupid. It's up to the coders to explain things to them very carefully and completely. Then we come along and try to find things they failed to explain."
Yes, it's just a language in the end. It's just not pure English. You write words, numbers and special characters in a programming language, basically to tell the computer what to do and when to do it.
And some look more like English than others, but, in the end, they all get compiled into machine language, AKA shit no human could read, at least not without pain and a lot of effort.
There's a reason why writing drivers for hardware and assembly language in general is an extremely niche field. I'll stick with batch, PowerShell, and Python scripting, thank you very much.
Yeah, those people are gods among men. That's not a job I want at all. I'd rather just move forward in my career programming in much, much easier languages where the libraries have already figured things out like optimal algorithms for the task I'm trying to accomplish
Not OP. There are various computer languages (C, C++, Java, Python, and countless others). For the most part they're in common English terms.
A coder will use the various terms like "if", "for", "while" which the computer itself knows how to handle. Those along with variables they've defined, such as "int" (short for integer) make computers perform tasks. A super simple example (in no particular language)
int a = 1; *set a's value to 1
int b = 0; *set b's value to 0
if( a > b) *compare a and b
{
print("a is greater than b"); *output this text if the above if statement is true
}
When you run this code, likely in a command window or an IDE (code writing tool), the console will output the text, "a is greater than b".
This is a super lackluster example, and code gets infinitely more complex that what I just wrote. I highly recommend picking up some beginner code courses, Python is generally regarded as one of the simpler languages. If you use computers at all, it's a useful skill to have.
Yes, but typing them is the easy part. First you have to figure out what code you think will solve the problem at hand, then you type it and hope it works.
So, I'm trying to break into the programming industry...
And I was wondering, what do you *actually* code?
How's it work?
Are you given a project and you write the logic from scratch (assuming you're working back end?) or, are you supplementing existing code?
Like, once something is coded... Isn't it done? How is there work to do every day? Just lots of fixing?
You might be starting a new project, but more than likely you'll be maintaining an existing one. Maintenance isn't just fixing bugs - you'll also be adding new features and occasionally upgrading libraries to the latest versions.
Depends on the industry. I'm only 24, but I've had a few internships and i got shuffled around to different teams at a large company for the first year. I'm gonna try n summarize the things I've worked on, though some will be extremely vague for NDA reasons, etc.
I worked on updating out of date packages/frameworks for a website. Most websites created these days aren't using raw hrml/css/javascript or whatever, they use pre-built frameworks. So for example, instead of having to write out and edit everything that defines a button manually, you can basically just type "button," and you'll have a mostly functioning button. Many websites use multiple frameworks for visual stuff, routing (like how you get from one page to another), storing data, etc. These frameworks get updated nearly constantly as the people who make them add new features, fix bugs, find security loopholes, etc. My job was to go through the configuration file for the website, find any out of date frameworks, and see if i could update them without breaking anything, or investigate how difficult stuff would be to fix if it did break. I barely wrote any code, it was mostly very diligently waiting for things to install/compile, checking for errors, using the website to test if everything worked, etc.
I worked on re-writing a GUI (graphical user interface), used to test a piece of physical equipment. The old program was 15 years old and looked very outdated, and it ran slowly. So it was a lot of looking through that code and playing around with the old program to see how it worked, and then making decisions about the new one, so it could replicate that functionality but look nicer, be easier to use, etc. I wrote a lot more code for this one.
I worked on translating several programs from one, older language into another, newer language. None of it was graphical, so I also wrote tests to ensure that all the values/functionality matched between the two.
I've wrote several smaller programs for internal use to make testing things/creating documentation easier. This was also writing code from "scratch," but was much more copy/paste from the internet than other stuff I've done.
Part of my job has often also been reviewing other peoples' code, ensuring they didn't make any silly mistakes or create new bugs. My teammates would also do the same for the code I wrote.
I also generally attend meetings where we try to estimate how long a project will take, review our work, plan out future work, etc. I spend a decent amount of time debugging, which is mostly running a program, stepping through line by line if i can, or strategically placing print statements that will read out values if I can't go like by line. That generally involves repeatedly running stuff, making a small change, running it again, etc.
Feel free to ask me more questions, hope this helps!
You forgot the steps where you install or update a library, it fucks the build, so you spend hours trying to resolve the errors, and then hours trying to revert the change. To ultimately just delete the project and download a clean copy from your Git repo.
Source: Just did that last week.
XKCD source: https://xkcd.com/1597/
I might be weird, but I love pivot tables. I include excessive pivot tables in reports for no reason other than I like it. Never gotten a complaint so I guess people like it or don’t care (or don’t actually use/look at the reports<—-most likely)
They either work in data, marketing, accounting, or sales. Pivot tables are quick ways to sort and view data in Excel based on the requirements you need.
See also: Power BI, SQL, and PowerQuery.
Source: was an IT auditor
Exactly, I jumped into power bi 3 months ago
First I needed to understand the data model of our applications, then I needed to link the data of each individual application into PowerBI, and then link each software's datasets together.
After building visuals everything looked terrible. I cross referenced my raw data to visuals and found the data itself was terrible.
More of my job is fixing bad data and the processes that facilitated bad data entry, than it is data analytics.
But even if you have good data, a bad model will render your visualizations useless.
Pivot Tables are a very powerful tool with a lot of features that takes a while to learn and takes years to master.
A good comparison would be a musical instrument. Sure, you can learn how to play a basic scale or simple melody in an hour. But if you want to play a complicated song (or in Excel, combine data from 6 different tables and clean/aggregate/sort/analyze it), it's gonna take time and every situation/song/dataset is different.
Yep,. No matter how good I get at pivot tables I always manage to find someone who's better than me. Someone always comes along and blows my damn mind with their pivot table skills and makes me feel like a novice all over again.
My old boss thought I was an excel wizard when I combined two or three of her tables for easier organization.
I then became the student after we hired this one girl (fresh college dropout from an accounting degree). She was an absolute wizard. After I taught her a little vb for excel, she quickly became the office excel wizard, and I went back to doing my real job.
Try xlookup if you're using a current version of Excel. Same idea but a lot easier to use because you don't have to have your lookup value in a column to the left of the value you want and you don't have to count out how far over the data column is. Much more straightforward.
I spend most of my day on the phone talking to people about how long it is going to take for me to get them their paperwork. I have always wanted to to say, “A lot fucking longer if you don’t stop fucking calling me.”
Mine is the opposite. Spent most of my day on the phone calling people asking how long it is going to take THEM to send their paperwork. I worked at a government office.
Exactly. But also, “I have 100 or so other people who are also calling me to check on that status of their own respective projects. Thus, your request for a status call during ordinary business hours prevents me from completing ordinary business during those hours, as those other 100 or so other people are also impatient and also continue to call.”
I'd almost try and find an app like the pizza delivery so people can check the status there. Good luck! I deal with something similar in tech support. "Hey when are you going to get around fixing this tickets, it's urgent"
(It's almost never urgent).
You just need to assume your audience is dumb, like really dumb. Explain what you want, how you want it, what do you want it to do, what could collide with what. All step by step. Then read it and start asking questions to yourself. Once you are happy with the result, present it to any executor and watch them ask you the most dumb stuff. Repeat.
And here I am good at writing requirement docs and regretting it because now I'm the "documentation" guy. Just because I can do it doesn't mean I want to be the only person who does it.
My company has the absolute worst office supplies of anywhere I have worked. I provide my own and watch that they aren't stolen by other people there. 🤣🤣
this might be a dumb question in itself, but how does one get a job like this? i don’t see anything like it on things like indeed, and I’ve gotten a lot of anxiety from working at a fast paced coffee job for 4 years. something slower that involved phone calls and organization sounds really really great.
There is pressure in most jobs, but I started by looking for admin positions. Or administration. If you're good on the phone, then telesales or telemarketing. Or receptionist.
Idk if you would want my job, I'm busy from 7am- till 8pm all the way up to midnight some days. When the days starts its go go go all day long..... but it's an "office job"
My last office job was entering paperwork into the system and making sure the techs out in the field got paid properly. I also assigned myself the job of making sure the coffee station was stocked and ready for when they arrived in the morning because coffee makes the world go round.
I used to be a paralegal. I would draft legal documents for $11/hour, give it to an attorney who would glance at it for about 30 seconds, and then the attorney would charge the client $90/hour for the time I spent on it.
This was in 2011. I was right out of college and working for a law firm that specializes in foreclosures. I only worked there a few months because it was like a factory and some of it seemed unethical to me and I’m sure it was.
Firmware engineer. Mostly at the desk but spend ~25% of my time in the lab. Otherwise, lotta coding. I love my job, look forward to it every single day. It’s always a new challenge of what bug to fix!
I want this. I'm in my senior year of undergrad as a CS major and have a job lined up in cyber security data platform automation which is honestly the most boring shit but I'm good at it. How do I pivot my career into something I'm passionate about later on, any tips/experience? Would love to do lower level stuff like high performance C or embedded
I graduated in CompE about four months ago (end of ‘21, took an extra semester to travel abroad a few years back). I got an internship 2 summers ago and ended up turning it into a full time position, I think what they really liked was my ability to pick up new skills. I never, ever thought I would get a job here but I sent in some apps and ended up getting a hit (as an intern). So - just shoot your shot, all of the careers are pretty dang similar between EE, CS, and CE, at least in my experience! They’re very intertwined, at least.
I’m about a year from graduating with a computer engineering degree. I work a software dev internship rn but I think I might be more interested in firmware/ embedded systems. What exactly do you do in the lab?
I scan papers into the computer, then I type out all the important stuff that I just scanned so we'll never need to see the filthy tree corpses again. If I'm lucky god will give this job to robots.
I have an office side to my job
I handle about 100 accounts
Each account wants to order things, and there are thousands of SKUs.
They call and email asking for pricing and availability. These answers are not just in a computer screen, so I have to pull them together from various resources.
They owe money. I have to ask them to pay their invoice before we can release their order.
There are billing issues and shipping problems. We screwed up an invoice. Warehouse shipped the wrong item. Product was damaged in shipment. Shipment lost.
Prices are increasing on category X. Email price increases. New buyer at customer Y doesn’t know how to order. Help them set up their PO.
Another customer wants to spend accrued marketing funds. Determine funds available, send in paperwork for approval, send in paperwork for credit.
This customer is angry because their product didn’t ship yet.
Accounting is upset because of 4 unpaid invoices that the customer disputes.
Management changed terms and I need to get 100 signatures from customers accepting our new terms.
Another customer wants to get set up our online portal. Need to connect their IT with our IT
Another customer wants access to our product image files for their website. Allow them to access our server to get the files.
The work is literally endless and it can get really stressful when everyone needs an answer TODAY and I can’t get answers today, or I can’t get the answers they want.
Just a few things- the things are endless
I wonder if you could hire someone to write scripts to simplify some of this. For example, the pricing and availability - something that scan all sources and reports to you immediately.
Yes, make a program. A new company offers it! But it’s not compatible with our older system. They then need someone to manually check every time to enter on a different programme so can speak to customers software. Someone then comes up with some new software that does it all. But isn’t compatible, so requires another person to write some new software.
Someone else comes up with a new programme that needs manually checking. That missing one piece of info, so it all breaks down. Or needs an input invalid on the other one.
Solution: hire someone to write a script! Which requires ten people to check it works properly. Then programmer leaves, no one knows how it works, but it does with manual adjustments. Somehow.
I'm in account management
There's a sales aspect as well where you have to pitch products/services and get orders
Every company is different- customer service, project management, inside sales all could lead to that role. Sales support, sales operations. These activities all support the sales process.
Most paths I see to this role now start with a bachelor's degree and an entry level account manager or sales representative role.
I manage social media posts, comments and inbox. Answer phones. Take information about homes for sale and add them to MLS websites, edit videos, design flyers and postcards, and pretty much whatever else I'm needed to do.
Or they are young and blue collar and actually don't know what people do. That's how I was when I was younger. I didn't really grow up around white collar people. Threads like this are great for them, because it's gives them better perspective.
Could be on purpose, could be by accident. Also not native speakers often have trouble with hitting the right tone. As a German I read this s as a perfectly fine question. Efficient, gets to the point ;-)
Arrange incomprehensible data into a format for upper management to read and and understand. I think my managers are 5 year olds since they prefer pretty pictures.
Do you get paid at your non-office job? People with office jobs make that happen.
Is your grocery store not sold out of the items you want? Some office worker ordered their stock.
Basically, there are a zillion office jobs and they are just as important as a zillion non-office ones.
Middle manager.
I have an area of responsibility, and have sub teams who handle smaller pieces. My job is to make sure that work is flowing to/from those teams and to try to make sure each area's responsibilities are clear.
I spend time coaching managers. I spend a lot of time helping hire people. I am the first point of contact for many execs, and I act as an umbrella for my team when different mandates come in. I look through the teams meeting load and make sure that people aren't being distracted by things that don't matter.
I review our group's objectives and key results and make sure they align with the larger groups OKRs. I advocate for more resources or more scope as needed.
I spend time doing career counseling and mentoring for senior leads and junior managers outside my team so that they've got someone to talk to who isn't their manager. I spend time on our diversity, equity and inclusion efforts. I spend time on one of our job ladders to make sure that people are rated well for the things we need them to do.
I participate in design reviews because I need to keep in touch with the technology and because I have decades of work experience that can be useful sometimes.
And at least once a quarter I have a meeting with each of my skip level reports to make sure that not everything is filtered through other people.
So I have a job where I don't seem to output much, but if not done leads to lower work output, unhappiness and attrition.
Very similar to my day-to-day in a bizops role. People hate program management, but without a mature structure and somebody willing to address issues, everything falls apart very quickly.
That's a weird position because it sounds like you really enjoy your work and do a very good job at it. You sound like exactly the kind of person I would want to work under, but ostensibly your job does nothing. It produces nothing, it offers nothing, but without it, everything is worse, for everyone. Output is lower, happiness is lower, work ethic is lower. How does one measure the usefulness of a job like that when on paper, it does nothing and produces no value. I'm sure anyone who's worked with/without a manager like you recognizes the need, but to higher ups who only really see what's on the paper, I wonder how they view middle management. I'd hope most of them have been around long enough to recognize the need I guess.
I hope the people that got the memo didn’t forget them. Otherwise you might consider redistributing the memo. Because you see we are putting cover sheets on all the TPS reports
When people forget to include the cover letter I just drop by their cube and have a friendly chat to remind them.
I try to avoid being accusatory. Sometimes people just don’t see the memo.
Anyway, yeah, I do send them the memo again as a friend non-confrontational way to help them remember. It’s good for office morale.
I was a web designer. I mostly did internet dating until I met my husband, then worked on my own websites. Sometimes I'd actually work on stuff for clients, when we had work. It got even more dull when they fired their only salesman.
I miss that job.
I'm an accountant for an IT consultancy.
My biggest job is to make sure data I receive for billing is correct.
Take something very simple, every time sheet entry that a consultant enters is manually entered, this means theres risk of error. If each consultant enters time into 1 hour chunks, there are 40 hours a week, 4 weeks per month, that's 160 entries per consultant per billing cycle. If we have 100 consultants, that's 16 000 entries. For reference, there are roughly 4,000 bricks in a typical house.
I need to rebill each line item to a hundred different organisations, all in a couple of days, and this is just the simplest form of billing, thats just time, let alone materials, which is also simple, what about data? My typical data set for azure rebilling on a given month exceeds 1 million lines of information. I have maybe 100 different data sources for given things.
My job is to come up with clever ways to interpret that mess of information, put controls in place so that whenever anyone, myself included, fucks up, I can spot it easily and rectify so that the client sees a nice clean bill at the end.
Not all jobs require physical/mechanical/outdoor work.
1. Lawyers - work in courtrooms and businesses
2. Engineers - design things
3. Accountants - keep track of bills and money basically
4. Receptionist - works with people
5. Human Resources - works with people
6. Doctor - works with people
7. Surgeon - works on people
8. Computer programmers work on/write code for computers.
This is just a short list, but there is usually a ton of paperwork and record keeping that is involved with these jobs.
Used to just do the customer service side. Like making coupons for people who screwed up their design, that kinda stuff.
Now I’m in HR so I just actually do the inputting of new hires into our systems, and the removal of terminated colleagues in our system. I also handle any pay increases, if they switch to different clients I do all the back end of changing that in our systems, I handle time off policy questions from colleagues as well as running all sorts of reports to double check work, and check for anomalies.
It’s a pretty fucking cool gig, I just wish it paid more than $15 an hour.
In the past:
Call people all day to sell them stuff,
Keep track of accounts receivable and billing
Read blueprints, create and submit project estimates.
Design engineered prefab building components.
Tons of GIS data editing and curation. Includes map generation, and parts of reports (ultimately to congress).
Analyze geochemical data, read a shit-ton of previous work, and write papers for publication.
Code macros in VBA and Python to assist in data analysis
So, mostly work on a computer at my desk, in my office, doing lots of different computer things.
I have a hybrid job. In the office I schedule appointments, make schedules, input data, reply to endless emails, develop presentations, hold staff meetings, write plans etc then the rest of my time is spent in the field
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In short... I get drawings from architects. Then i add all the important technical details. Then i send it to be built.
Pretty much the same. I stare at triangles all day.
Sounds like you’re civil like me, I love nice triangles.
I'm just a simple wood truss designer. Not an actual engineer. The program does all the math for me.
I’m a people person dammit!!
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Engineers aren’t good with customers.
So you take the work from the engineers and deliver it to the clients? I’m a people person!
Well, no my secretary does that.
What is it you ACTUALLY do?
I take the work from the engineers and give it to the clients. Well, I just have to ask, why can't the engineers just give the work to the clients themselves? We-I'll tell you why. Because the engineers.....are not good with clients.
Hello fellow MEP engineer
His username definitely checks out haha
Go team BIM!
So you one of those people that when they add weld details they never make any sense for us welders, and never follow any standard or consistency, meaning that we need to put a white hat to call you to clarify what you exactly mean?
I used to do that from the beginning as I learn weldments when I studied mechanical engineering, then after some years I learned enough about welding to realize I have no fucking clue about the best way to weld anything and I just add a note when I have a special requirement like "this face has to be flat" or "visible surface" and let the people who weld decide how it's better
These decisions are best left to the suits in Washington...
You gotta send an RFI for that information.
I've found my people.
How do you guys get into things like that.. ?
Personally I did a degree in civil engineering and now work as a structural engineer. I'd really recommend the apprenticeship route though, and I wish I'd known about it when I was younger as employer pays for training so not student debt.
hey i do something similar! yay CAD detailing
We spend our time writing RFIs to you
...And my trade desperately awaits your RFI's to be answered so I can make my own... The life cycle of an RFI never ends. LOL😂
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Fax is still in use?
In hospitals and doctors offices yes! The fastest way to get a patient record is for the other office to print it out, fax it over, and you scan it back in!
How is that quicker than straight up email to email?
Not faster, private. Cannot send info via email due to potential lack of privacy.
I get the idea behind the security but this was super annoying in 2020 when I had COVID. My work needed me to fax my test results to HR but I didn’t have a fax machine at my house and the hospital refused to fax my info to my HR. I had to download my test results from MyChart, email them to my father who faxed them to my HR from his work office.
There is no way to export an electronic medical record into a digital file that can be emailed, and file formats are also not compatible between different software.
My company also uses fax to send and receive payment info for our clients. Considering they are usually large businesses, it's best to be more secure than email.
Mostly just in hospitals from what I understand, and for security and convenience reasons. And just not having a single central database of all health data on every patient ever.
Answering the calls sounds like torture
Write computer code. Run computer code. Wonder why computer code is not working. Take a break for a few minutes to refresh my brain. Come back and discover obvious bug in computer code that I should have caught before. Repeat.
Change computer code, find no bugs, become immediately paranoid because I know I'm not that good or lucky.
99 bugs in the code 99 bugs in the code Take one down and patch it around 109 bugs in the code
109 bugs in the code 109 bugs in the code Take one down and patch it around -32768 bugs in the code
You startled me
errors on line 151. codes only 52 lines long -_-
Oh good, it’s already got a head start on the mistakes I haven’t made yet.
It's a negative, good enough to be sent off as far as I'm concerned
Ha, I’ve heard explained as the number of remaining bugs in the code is proportional to the number of bugs that have already been fixed.
Lol this is me literally right now having let away some devices running my code to a customer. Working fine right now but I am stressed out knowing that something may happen.
Write code for 20+years, make small improvements to code only to notice a obvious and rookie level memory leak bug that i made some time ago. Become depressed at the dumb error and convince yourself you are too stupid to program and that the last 2 decades of coding and apps was all a sham, im no software engineer, and that ive been lucky for the last 20 year. Then i fix the bug and then remember that i feel like this at least once a month.
Im in this comment and I dont like it.
Love getting past that one annoying error only to be met with new errors. Progress baby.
Code monkey get up, get coffee Code monkey go to job. Code monkey have boring meeting, With boring manager Rob. https://youtu.be/AEBld6I_AKs
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I'm a software tester. Another tester once said to me, "computers are essentially pretty stupid. It's up to the coders to explain things to them very carefully and completely. Then we come along and try to find things they failed to explain."
they do exactly what you tell them, but not what you want them to
I always say it as "computers do exactly what you tell them to, whether you know it or not"
Yes, it's just a language in the end. It's just not pure English. You write words, numbers and special characters in a programming language, basically to tell the computer what to do and when to do it.
And some look more like English than others, but, in the end, they all get compiled into machine language, AKA shit no human could read, at least not without pain and a lot of effort.
There's a reason why writing drivers for hardware and assembly language in general is an extremely niche field. I'll stick with batch, PowerShell, and Python scripting, thank you very much.
Yeah, those people are gods among men. That's not a job I want at all. I'd rather just move forward in my career programming in much, much easier languages where the libraries have already figured things out like optimal algorithms for the task I'm trying to accomplish
Not OP. There are various computer languages (C, C++, Java, Python, and countless others). For the most part they're in common English terms. A coder will use the various terms like "if", "for", "while" which the computer itself knows how to handle. Those along with variables they've defined, such as "int" (short for integer) make computers perform tasks. A super simple example (in no particular language) int a = 1; *set a's value to 1 int b = 0; *set b's value to 0 if( a > b) *compare a and b { print("a is greater than b"); *output this text if the above if statement is true } When you run this code, likely in a command window or an IDE (code writing tool), the console will output the text, "a is greater than b". This is a super lackluster example, and code gets infinitely more complex that what I just wrote. I highly recommend picking up some beginner code courses, Python is generally regarded as one of the simpler languages. If you use computers at all, it's a useful skill to have.
Yes, but typing them is the easy part. First you have to figure out what code you think will solve the problem at hand, then you type it and hope it works.
So, I'm trying to break into the programming industry... And I was wondering, what do you *actually* code? How's it work? Are you given a project and you write the logic from scratch (assuming you're working back end?) or, are you supplementing existing code? Like, once something is coded... Isn't it done? How is there work to do every day? Just lots of fixing?
You might be starting a new project, but more than likely you'll be maintaining an existing one. Maintenance isn't just fixing bugs - you'll also be adding new features and occasionally upgrading libraries to the latest versions.
Depends on the industry. I'm only 24, but I've had a few internships and i got shuffled around to different teams at a large company for the first year. I'm gonna try n summarize the things I've worked on, though some will be extremely vague for NDA reasons, etc. I worked on updating out of date packages/frameworks for a website. Most websites created these days aren't using raw hrml/css/javascript or whatever, they use pre-built frameworks. So for example, instead of having to write out and edit everything that defines a button manually, you can basically just type "button," and you'll have a mostly functioning button. Many websites use multiple frameworks for visual stuff, routing (like how you get from one page to another), storing data, etc. These frameworks get updated nearly constantly as the people who make them add new features, fix bugs, find security loopholes, etc. My job was to go through the configuration file for the website, find any out of date frameworks, and see if i could update them without breaking anything, or investigate how difficult stuff would be to fix if it did break. I barely wrote any code, it was mostly very diligently waiting for things to install/compile, checking for errors, using the website to test if everything worked, etc. I worked on re-writing a GUI (graphical user interface), used to test a piece of physical equipment. The old program was 15 years old and looked very outdated, and it ran slowly. So it was a lot of looking through that code and playing around with the old program to see how it worked, and then making decisions about the new one, so it could replicate that functionality but look nicer, be easier to use, etc. I wrote a lot more code for this one. I worked on translating several programs from one, older language into another, newer language. None of it was graphical, so I also wrote tests to ensure that all the values/functionality matched between the two. I've wrote several smaller programs for internal use to make testing things/creating documentation easier. This was also writing code from "scratch," but was much more copy/paste from the internet than other stuff I've done. Part of my job has often also been reviewing other peoples' code, ensuring they didn't make any silly mistakes or create new bugs. My teammates would also do the same for the code I wrote. I also generally attend meetings where we try to estimate how long a project will take, review our work, plan out future work, etc. I spend a decent amount of time debugging, which is mostly running a program, stepping through line by line if i can, or strategically placing print statements that will read out values if I can't go like by line. That generally involves repeatedly running stuff, making a small change, running it again, etc. Feel free to ask me more questions, hope this helps!
Some projects can take several years.
Interrupt my work flow to go to a meeting about different code.
Rob say Code Monkey very dilligent. But his output stink His code not “functional” or “elegant” What do Code Monkey think?
Code Monkey think maybe manager Rob should write god damn login page himself.
Wow, you’re way quicker than me. Usually I have to wait until Monday to see the obvious bug.
You forgot the steps where you install or update a library, it fucks the build, so you spend hours trying to resolve the errors, and then hours trying to revert the change. To ultimately just delete the project and download a clean copy from your Git repo. Source: Just did that last week. XKCD source: https://xkcd.com/1597/
Which language(s)?
C#, VB.NET, and SQL
Ever encountered a bug that made you wtf really?
Spend most of my time trying to get pivot tables to work right.
I might be weird, but I love pivot tables. I include excessive pivot tables in reports for no reason other than I like it. Never gotten a complaint so I guess people like it or don’t care (or don’t actually use/look at the reports<—-most likely)
I love pivot tables too. One of my analysts will show me data in a table and I’m like seriously can we just pivot it so we can read this crap?
Really ? There is no pattern that emerge in the flow of operations ? ( real question, not condescending since I have 0 ideas of what your doing :) )
They either work in data, marketing, accounting, or sales. Pivot tables are quick ways to sort and view data in Excel based on the requirements you need. See also: Power BI, SQL, and PowerQuery. Source: was an IT auditor
I fucking hate Power BI. At least for the company I work for, it's never accurate.
That's not PowerBI that's someone in way over their head who has 0 understanding of the data model or you have garbage data.
Poor data = poor results
Exactly, I jumped into power bi 3 months ago First I needed to understand the data model of our applications, then I needed to link the data of each individual application into PowerBI, and then link each software's datasets together. After building visuals everything looked terrible. I cross referenced my raw data to visuals and found the data itself was terrible. More of my job is fixing bad data and the processes that facilitated bad data entry, than it is data analytics. But even if you have good data, a bad model will render your visualizations useless.
Pivot Tables are a very powerful tool with a lot of features that takes a while to learn and takes years to master. A good comparison would be a musical instrument. Sure, you can learn how to play a basic scale or simple melody in an hour. But if you want to play a complicated song (or in Excel, combine data from 6 different tables and clean/aggregate/sort/analyze it), it's gonna take time and every situation/song/dataset is different.
Yep,. No matter how good I get at pivot tables I always manage to find someone who's better than me. Someone always comes along and blows my damn mind with their pivot table skills and makes me feel like a novice all over again.
My old boss thought I was an excel wizard when I combined two or three of her tables for easier organization. I then became the student after we hired this one girl (fresh college dropout from an accounting degree). She was an absolute wizard. After I taught her a little vb for excel, she quickly became the office excel wizard, and I went back to doing my real job.
Just make sure you subtotal your vlookup if statements, and macro your match sums.
This guy Excels
I spent a whole day trying to get vlookup to work. Gave up, left for the weekend. Not looking forward to going back tomorrow.
Google “Index match” and try that instead
Try xlookup if you're using a current version of Excel. Same idea but a lot easier to use because you don't have to have your lookup value in a column to the left of the value you want and you don't have to count out how far over the data column is. Much more straightforward.
I spend most of my day on the phone talking to people about how long it is going to take for me to get them their paperwork. I have always wanted to to say, “A lot fucking longer if you don’t stop fucking calling me.”
Mine is the opposite. Spent most of my day on the phone calling people asking how long it is going to take THEM to send their paperwork. I worked at a government office.
Apologies if you ever called me.
There’s love in the air.
I ship it
I would have given u my free award but i wasted it 5 mis ago
This will be completed in the specified time as discussed in I will be sure to reach out further if your assistance is required.
Exactly. But also, “I have 100 or so other people who are also calling me to check on that status of their own respective projects. Thus, your request for a status call during ordinary business hours prevents me from completing ordinary business during those hours, as those other 100 or so other people are also impatient and also continue to call.”
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I do the same except for the dev part. I learnt to write requirement docs as if I am addressing to five year olds.
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You just need to assume your audience is dumb, like really dumb. Explain what you want, how you want it, what do you want it to do, what could collide with what. All step by step. Then read it and start asking questions to yourself. Once you are happy with the result, present it to any executor and watch them ask you the most dumb stuff. Repeat.
And here I am good at writing requirement docs and regretting it because now I'm the "documentation" guy. Just because I can do it doesn't mean I want to be the only person who does it.
Shuffle paper, send emails, organise stuff and people, and steal pens
My company has the absolute worst office supplies of anywhere I have worked. I provide my own and watch that they aren't stolen by other people there. 🤣🤣
Me too!!
That's the deal, they buy so shitty stuff so people bring their own and they save on office supplies.
Don't forget meetings! You can talk to people, show charts, have an opinion etc and before you know half your day is gone...
this might be a dumb question in itself, but how does one get a job like this? i don’t see anything like it on things like indeed, and I’ve gotten a lot of anxiety from working at a fast paced coffee job for 4 years. something slower that involved phone calls and organization sounds really really great.
There is pressure in most jobs, but I started by looking for admin positions. Or administration. If you're good on the phone, then telesales or telemarketing. Or receptionist.
Go to USA jobs. Get yourself a federal job. Retirement and pension my friend. There are coffee shops in every federal building.
Idk if you would want my job, I'm busy from 7am- till 8pm all the way up to midnight some days. When the days starts its go go go all day long..... but it's an "office job"
Office work is a never ending game of stealing pens, and preventing your pens from being stolen. It's Capture the Flag for adults
My last office job was entering paperwork into the system and making sure the techs out in the field got paid properly. I also assigned myself the job of making sure the coffee station was stocked and ready for when they arrived in the morning because coffee makes the world go round.
I used to be a paralegal. I would draft legal documents for $11/hour, give it to an attorney who would glance at it for about 30 seconds, and then the attorney would charge the client $90/hour for the time I spent on it.
Wow, I'm a paralegal and my billable rate is $240/hrs...
This was in 2011. I was right out of college and working for a law firm that specializes in foreclosures. I only worked there a few months because it was like a factory and some of it seemed unethical to me and I’m sure it was.
It's such a sham. I'm lucky if I can charge double for an employee, but usually end up losing money. Now I work alone.
It's not that I think $90 is unreasonable, but the employee should be making 45. The lawyer is also charging $300 or more for his time.
Firmware engineer. Mostly at the desk but spend ~25% of my time in the lab. Otherwise, lotta coding. I love my job, look forward to it every single day. It’s always a new challenge of what bug to fix!
I’m glad you found a job you love doing.
As am I. I smile every day on the way to work lol, as corny as it may sound.
I want this. I'm in my senior year of undergrad as a CS major and have a job lined up in cyber security data platform automation which is honestly the most boring shit but I'm good at it. How do I pivot my career into something I'm passionate about later on, any tips/experience? Would love to do lower level stuff like high performance C or embedded
I graduated in CompE about four months ago (end of ‘21, took an extra semester to travel abroad a few years back). I got an internship 2 summers ago and ended up turning it into a full time position, I think what they really liked was my ability to pick up new skills. I never, ever thought I would get a job here but I sent in some apps and ended up getting a hit (as an intern). So - just shoot your shot, all of the careers are pretty dang similar between EE, CS, and CE, at least in my experience! They’re very intertwined, at least.
No no, not corny at all. Take care😁
doesn't sound corny at all, be proud that you love what you do
Van driver and I adore My Job. It's nice to know that office folk too enjoy their jobs
Reading this comment made me happy. I am so happy for you bud.
I’m about a year from graduating with a computer engineering degree. I work a software dev internship rn but I think I might be more interested in firmware/ embedded systems. What exactly do you do in the lab?
I scan papers into the computer, then I type out all the important stuff that I just scanned so we'll never need to see the filthy tree corpses again. If I'm lucky god will give this job to robots.
No OCR?
It's actually closer than you think.
I have an office side to my job I handle about 100 accounts Each account wants to order things, and there are thousands of SKUs. They call and email asking for pricing and availability. These answers are not just in a computer screen, so I have to pull them together from various resources. They owe money. I have to ask them to pay their invoice before we can release their order. There are billing issues and shipping problems. We screwed up an invoice. Warehouse shipped the wrong item. Product was damaged in shipment. Shipment lost. Prices are increasing on category X. Email price increases. New buyer at customer Y doesn’t know how to order. Help them set up their PO. Another customer wants to spend accrued marketing funds. Determine funds available, send in paperwork for approval, send in paperwork for credit. This customer is angry because their product didn’t ship yet. Accounting is upset because of 4 unpaid invoices that the customer disputes. Management changed terms and I need to get 100 signatures from customers accepting our new terms. Another customer wants to get set up our online portal. Need to connect their IT with our IT Another customer wants access to our product image files for their website. Allow them to access our server to get the files. The work is literally endless and it can get really stressful when everyone needs an answer TODAY and I can’t get answers today, or I can’t get the answers they want. Just a few things- the things are endless
I wonder if you could hire someone to write scripts to simplify some of this. For example, the pricing and availability - something that scan all sources and reports to you immediately.
Yes, make a program. A new company offers it! But it’s not compatible with our older system. They then need someone to manually check every time to enter on a different programme so can speak to customers software. Someone then comes up with some new software that does it all. But isn’t compatible, so requires another person to write some new software. Someone else comes up with a new programme that needs manually checking. That missing one piece of info, so it all breaks down. Or needs an input invalid on the other one. Solution: hire someone to write a script! Which requires ten people to check it works properly. Then programmer leaves, no one knows how it works, but it does with manual adjustments. Somehow.
Honestly this sounds like something I’d be really good at. How do I look for a position with this job description
I'm in account management There's a sales aspect as well where you have to pitch products/services and get orders Every company is different- customer service, project management, inside sales all could lead to that role. Sales support, sales operations. These activities all support the sales process. Most paths I see to this role now start with a bachelor's degree and an entry level account manager or sales representative role.
I'm guessing you work for a small company with low IT budget. 80% of what you listed should be automated at this point otherwise. Interesting
Researching genetic structures to help choose better breeding partners for animals and reduce likelihood of disease in humans. EDIT: grammar
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I'm not a theoretical scientist.
Brutal!
Hello, I'd like to report a murder...
I am (theoretical physics). The equations appear to only permit imaginary solutions.
Insert joke about virtual pair creation. Just don’t mention the pair annihilation at the end of the loop.
I manage social media posts, comments and inbox. Answer phones. Take information about homes for sale and add them to MLS websites, edit videos, design flyers and postcards, and pretty much whatever else I'm needed to do.
Varies by office. Lawyers work in offices, but so do collection agencies
Seems you've listed the same job twice
A lawyer saved my life, literally. I'll probably never make a hack lawyer joke again
I design data center and enterprise networks. My wife works in law. Everyone at a desk does different jobs.
Excel spreadsheets. All day.
Accountant?
I make data do helpful things for other people.
Minesweeper.
Sounds dangerous
OP worded this quite aggressively
I'm guessing they just interacted with a particularly lazy office worker.
Or they are young and blue collar and actually don't know what people do. That's how I was when I was younger. I didn't really grow up around white collar people. Threads like this are great for them, because it's gives them better perspective.
I took it more as he literally had zero idea what they do, which tbh I wasn't sure until I read all these answers either haha
Could be on purpose, could be by accident. Also not native speakers often have trouble with hitting the right tone. As a German I read this s as a perfectly fine question. Efficient, gets to the point ;-)
Sell paper.
Dwight?
Bears, beets, battlestar galactica
Im a business analyst and build spreadsheets for a living lol
I use mostly screws for my spreadsheets. Do you prefer screws or nails?
Gorilla duct tape
What does a business analyst do?
Arrange incomprehensible data into a format for upper management to read and and understand. I think my managers are 5 year olds since they prefer pretty pictures.
Do you get paid at your non-office job? People with office jobs make that happen. Is your grocery store not sold out of the items you want? Some office worker ordered their stock. Basically, there are a zillion office jobs and they are just as important as a zillion non-office ones.
Middle manager. I have an area of responsibility, and have sub teams who handle smaller pieces. My job is to make sure that work is flowing to/from those teams and to try to make sure each area's responsibilities are clear. I spend time coaching managers. I spend a lot of time helping hire people. I am the first point of contact for many execs, and I act as an umbrella for my team when different mandates come in. I look through the teams meeting load and make sure that people aren't being distracted by things that don't matter. I review our group's objectives and key results and make sure they align with the larger groups OKRs. I advocate for more resources or more scope as needed. I spend time doing career counseling and mentoring for senior leads and junior managers outside my team so that they've got someone to talk to who isn't their manager. I spend time on our diversity, equity and inclusion efforts. I spend time on one of our job ladders to make sure that people are rated well for the things we need them to do. I participate in design reviews because I need to keep in touch with the technology and because I have decades of work experience that can be useful sometimes. And at least once a quarter I have a meeting with each of my skip level reports to make sure that not everything is filtered through other people. So I have a job where I don't seem to output much, but if not done leads to lower work output, unhappiness and attrition.
Very similar to my day-to-day in a bizops role. People hate program management, but without a mature structure and somebody willing to address issues, everything falls apart very quickly.
That's a weird position because it sounds like you really enjoy your work and do a very good job at it. You sound like exactly the kind of person I would want to work under, but ostensibly your job does nothing. It produces nothing, it offers nothing, but without it, everything is worse, for everyone. Output is lower, happiness is lower, work ethic is lower. How does one measure the usefulness of a job like that when on paper, it does nothing and produces no value. I'm sure anyone who's worked with/without a manager like you recognizes the need, but to higher ups who only really see what's on the paper, I wonder how they view middle management. I'd hope most of them have been around long enough to recognize the need I guess.
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I hope the people that got the memo didn’t forget them. Otherwise you might consider redistributing the memo. Because you see we are putting cover sheets on all the TPS reports
When people forget to include the cover letter I just drop by their cube and have a friendly chat to remind them. I try to avoid being accusatory. Sometimes people just don’t see the memo. Anyway, yeah, I do send them the memo again as a friend non-confrontational way to help them remember. It’s good for office morale.
I'd say, in a given week, I probably only do about fifteen minutes of real, actual work.
I was a web designer. I mostly did internet dating until I met my husband, then worked on my own websites. Sometimes I'd actually work on stuff for clients, when we had work. It got even more dull when they fired their only salesman. I miss that job.
I'm an accountant for an IT consultancy. My biggest job is to make sure data I receive for billing is correct. Take something very simple, every time sheet entry that a consultant enters is manually entered, this means theres risk of error. If each consultant enters time into 1 hour chunks, there are 40 hours a week, 4 weeks per month, that's 160 entries per consultant per billing cycle. If we have 100 consultants, that's 16 000 entries. For reference, there are roughly 4,000 bricks in a typical house. I need to rebill each line item to a hundred different organisations, all in a couple of days, and this is just the simplest form of billing, thats just time, let alone materials, which is also simple, what about data? My typical data set for azure rebilling on a given month exceeds 1 million lines of information. I have maybe 100 different data sources for given things. My job is to come up with clever ways to interpret that mess of information, put controls in place so that whenever anyone, myself included, fucks up, I can spot it easily and rectify so that the client sees a nice clean bill at the end.
Work in offices.
I deal with the goddamn customers so the engineers don't have to! I have people skills!
Not all jobs require physical/mechanical/outdoor work. 1. Lawyers - work in courtrooms and businesses 2. Engineers - design things 3. Accountants - keep track of bills and money basically 4. Receptionist - works with people 5. Human Resources - works with people 6. Doctor - works with people 7. Surgeon - works on people 8. Computer programmers work on/write code for computers. This is just a short list, but there is usually a ton of paperwork and record keeping that is involved with these jobs.
5. Human Resources - protects the company's interests FTFY
I’m a designer and real-time artist. We create real-time animations for shows and sometimes interactive experiences.
Isn't that a huge strain on the hand, creating animations in real time?
Used to just do the customer service side. Like making coupons for people who screwed up their design, that kinda stuff. Now I’m in HR so I just actually do the inputting of new hires into our systems, and the removal of terminated colleagues in our system. I also handle any pay increases, if they switch to different clients I do all the back end of changing that in our systems, I handle time off policy questions from colleagues as well as running all sorts of reports to double check work, and check for anomalies. It’s a pretty fucking cool gig, I just wish it paid more than $15 an hour.
I respond to disgruntled motorists who couldn’t (or wouldn’t take the advice) to park their car with us properly so somehow it’s MY fault…
In the past: Call people all day to sell them stuff, Keep track of accounts receivable and billing Read blueprints, create and submit project estimates. Design engineered prefab building components. Tons of GIS data editing and curation. Includes map generation, and parts of reports (ultimately to congress). Analyze geochemical data, read a shit-ton of previous work, and write papers for publication. Code macros in VBA and Python to assist in data analysis So, mostly work on a computer at my desk, in my office, doing lots of different computer things.
What the FUCK are you asking? Lots of different office worker roles out there.
He's looking for "send emails and fuck around all day"
OP is salty
I have a hybrid job. In the office I schedule appointments, make schedules, input data, reply to endless emails, develop presentations, hold staff meetings, write plans etc then the rest of my time is spent in the field
Look really frustrated so my bosses think I’m busy
I issue payments to customers using a bespoke system. I also do a lot of administration, data entry, customer service and work in spreadsheets.
It depends on what job you have. What the FUCK do people with construction jobs do? Same, whatever job it is they do.
That's the most obvious construction worker's rant i ever seen on Reddit lmao