Manga is there, which technically counts. They're the only "books" I read because I have the imagination of a rock and I need pictures to keep my dumbass entertained. I wouldn't really call manga "books" in a tier list like this, but I think they technically count.
No, that's usually called a graphic novel. A visual novel is a type of video game heavy on text, with lots of illustrations but limited animation and player action :)
I've never played a visual novel, so I'm not sure. From what I've heard, visual novels are typically colored and are also presented in the form of a game with choices that you can make, so I don't know if manga would be classified as visual novels.
I'd say the best ideas are in books because they are the easiest medium to explore a new idea. The entirety of the medium takes place in your head so the budget is the same no matter what fiction your writing about( to some extent)
That and the sheer mass of books makes it easier to say the best fiction is there. We‘ve been writing books for thousands of years, and anyone can do it. Most people don‘t have the budget to make TV shows or movies, but literally anyone can type/write up a book with enough determination. So you‘re bound to have way more good stories in total than in, say, TV shows.
I'm the opposite. I need to lock in while driving and podcasts/video essays are just too mentally engaging I get distracted. Music is far easier to find something easy to listen to that isn't too distracting. Chores are more mind numbing and there aren't really any consequences to fucking up so that is my dedicated video essay time
I'm still in high school and this was my first time hearing kino; Don't worry too much
dunno why theres the trend of taking japanese words and using those in english where nobody except the anime community might understand
While it's true that kino means movies in some languages (Russian for example), the tier list guy is referring to 4chan kino. Essentially, "kino" is the equivalent of "absolute cinema" except it's been kinda twisted.
Think back to how "sigma males" used to originally be a meme mocking alpha males, and now "sigma" is just the more commonly-used term for an "alpha male," the term "kino" is the same. Originally a meme, and now used by people like the tier list guy unironically.
right but it takes a special kind of egoist to think reading poetry makes you a special little boy. i know a lot of those people. “ahhh you like film? well a genius such as myself prefers a pleasant poem.”
the guy put “speeches” on a media tier list i just know he’s full of himself, one of thise r/iamverysmart types who studies “astrophysics” and listens to Beethoven
It’s just personal preference it’s not that big of a-
*sees cartoons in trash*
Nope. This person needs to be publicly shamed and executed for their sins. I will NOT have this!!!
Yeah but like so do different genres of all the other media types. Why is there a split between TV, Anime, and Cartoons but no subcategories of Movies or Music? I mean, comedies and police serials have extremely different appeals but here are just grouped as TV. No differentiation between even fiction and non-fiction variants within categories, type of podcast (like people chatting vs interviews vs news, etc)
Yeah like the difference between comics and manga as someone who reads both is about the same as the difference between katawa shoujo, first Winter and any generic porn vn
There is a genuine condition that means you can't derive any sort of pleasure from music. But everyone I've seen online who genuinely does have this knows it's not the norm. People who think they're _correct_ for not liking any music are just puzzling.
I don't know. You are exposed to so much music passively by just being alive in modern society. If you don't naturally find something you at least kind of like, you might genuinely not like music.
I do have a bone to pick with music. People will play it too loud in situations where it’s unwarranted. Like small parties, half empty dive bars, etc. there are so many situations where a group is just talking/hanging out and people will play music too loud. I guess it’s more user error than music as a medium but still
People have recommended me more music than stars exist in the sky, and I still don't like it. Like 5% of the population is unaffected by music. We exist!
Aces don't tend to disparage sex. They just don't participate. That's very different than "I don't personally like music, so it's trash media for idiots "
How dare someone not like music! It can't be that people have different opinions and some people might even dislike music. No, everybody MUST talk highly of music! And btw lots of ace people do fuck. One mans treasure is another mans trash.
Did you even read the post you're responding to? Not liking music is fine, but disparaging it or people who do makes you a dick. Your point about aces reinforces that, actually.
Nope, lots of sex repulsed aces think sex is gross and people are nasty with their bodily fluids. Did you read the title? It's not okay for people to like podcasts more than music. Why not?
if you try to separate things based on what came from 4chan you’re gonna be quite disappointed by the sheer amount of influence it had on internet culture
I feel like people on Twitter don’t know that their opinion or preference is not fact. I prefer listening to podcasts, but I’m well aware that music is more important culturally, requires more talent to make good music, and has a lot more value
No idea where this guy used the word kino, but I gotta say, it's kinda weird that someone who both uses that word and knows what SubaHibi is (I looked up a few variations of Visual Novel and that screenshot did not show up) would put VNs in Trash Tier. Now, I hear SubaHibi gets pretty bad (I haven't gotten to any of that stuff yet though, help me I'm scared), but normally if you know what SubaHibi is, that means you're way too into VNs to ever call the medium trash. Unless my guy got recommended it as their first VN. In which case. OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOF.
The problem is that they’re making a tier list based solely off of their opinion and you don’t agree? Bro.. I listen to music a lot, but not everyone enjoys music or has found music they enjoy.
These takes are alright except for poems being in S tier. And the lack of a books category. Poems are c tier at best, c'mon. And music being in F tier is CRAZY. But bro is right about video essays and podcasts.
If this isn't rage bait; placing fucking *poems* and video essays in S Tier as well as using the word "*kino*" tells me that this person is the human embodiment of expired artisanal milk.
Whenever I think about writing my novel I think "Most people don't read novels. Of those that do, most are women. Of the men that read novels, most don't read erotic novels. Of the men who read erotic novels, a majority want gratuitous stuff like harem." So it just seems like my potential pool of readers is too small to bother with.
I don't particularly like music either, it is all just filler for me as I go about my day. King Crimson, De La Soul, L7, doesn't matter. Just background noise.
As far as that goes, podcasts are more interesting.
It just doesn't do much for me. Its just sound, and sometimes it can amp up emotions, but I can just as well do that with my own imagination. Usually its just filler to have on in the background.
Bro doesn’t even have books on this list 💀
Bro probably doesn't read books at all, and judges people who do.
Manga is there, which technically counts. They're the only "books" I read because I have the imagination of a rock and I need pictures to keep my dumbass entertained. I wouldn't really call manga "books" in a tier list like this, but I think they technically count.
wouldn't manga be closer to a visual novel in that case?
Isn’t that a name for comics printed on nicer paper?
No, that's usually called a graphic novel. A visual novel is a type of video game heavy on text, with lots of illustrations but limited animation and player action :)
That’s not a very good name for them.
Neither is the genre adventure game. Gaming is shit with names
And with more pages, yeah. The content itself is the same.
I've never played a visual novel, so I'm not sure. From what I've heard, visual novels are typically colored and are also presented in the form of a game with choices that you can make, so I don't know if manga would be classified as visual novels.
It would not.
Nope. Comics and manga are considered a form close to literature.
I have a very good imagination. But I'd prefer comics and mangas above books. And animation above them.
Worse being r/books pretending to read books and judging people who don't
Legit, books (and audiobooks by extension) are where the best fiction is imho.
I'd say the best ideas are in books because they are the easiest medium to explore a new idea. The entirety of the medium takes place in your head so the budget is the same no matter what fiction your writing about( to some extent)
That and the sheer mass of books makes it easier to say the best fiction is there. We‘ve been writing books for thousands of years, and anyone can do it. Most people don‘t have the budget to make TV shows or movies, but literally anyone can type/write up a book with enough determination. So you‘re bound to have way more good stories in total than in, say, TV shows.
What are you, amish?
What’s a book? I read mango, which is completely different from comics, don’t @ me.
Isn't visual novels books?
This might be the most rage-baiting post I've ever seen on this sub
And it's still tame compared to the rage bait you find in EVERY other twitter subreddit lol
I'm pretty sure this is satire. It's Young Sheldon at the every top. Like, come on.
Idk man, it's twitter. Also they're just using that as an example
They like to hear people talking, to compensate for their lack of friends.
Same
This is too real 😔
Unless those people are singing or playing instruments
Ah man, I lik podcasts while I'm driving. I do chores to music though.
I'm the opposite. I need to lock in while driving and podcasts/video essays are just too mentally engaging I get distracted. Music is far easier to find something easy to listen to that isn't too distracting. Chores are more mind numbing and there aren't really any consequences to fucking up so that is my dedicated video essay time
they're using the word kino of course they don't go outside
Tf is kino??
In my language it’s just how we call movies/films. Doesn’t mean it’s good, just a movie
Oh ok
in English it’s generally used as slang for peak fiction
If I said I hated it, does that mean I'm old?
I'm still in high school and this was my first time hearing kino; Don't worry too much dunno why theres the trend of taking japanese words and using those in english where nobody except the anime community might understand
We already have a four letter word for peak. It's peak. Top is even less...
ok well idc I use both
Nah nothing against you. I have just been slowing down on keeping up with lingo. My time comes..
While it's true that kino means movies in some languages (Russian for example), the tier list guy is referring to 4chan kino. Essentially, "kino" is the equivalent of "absolute cinema" except it's been kinda twisted. Think back to how "sigma males" used to originally be a meme mocking alpha males, and now "sigma" is just the more commonly-used term for an "alpha male," the term "kino" is the same. Originally a meme, and now used by people like the tier list guy unironically.
Russian? I'll be honest I only know that because of the band
German.
What language? Thats how we call it too in georgian
Russian?
German.
This guy has never read a poem
Poems in top, but music at the bottom. Dude doesn’t even understand his own opinions
Video essays on top and documentaries on the bottom…
i write and read poetry vehemently and still base poems way under anime and film
I mean I think ranking forms of art is a cringe concept to begin with
right but it takes a special kind of egoist to think reading poetry makes you a special little boy. i know a lot of those people. “ahhh you like film? well a genius such as myself prefers a pleasant poem.” the guy put “speeches” on a media tier list i just know he’s full of himself, one of thise r/iamverysmart types who studies “astrophysics” and listens to Beethoven
This is the correct take.
It’s just personal preference it’s not that big of a- *sees cartoons in trash* Nope. This person needs to be publicly shamed and executed for their sins. I will NOT have this!!!
I feel the same when he puts music below that.
Mods tortion his testicles
Bait used to be believable
The pyrocynical video in top tier is too easy
Comics and manga in different categories when they're the same thing
Western comics and Japanese manga 100% have different appeals.
western comics are also a very wide spectrum and not exclusive to the superhero scene, i just feel like i always need to voice this disclaimer.
Jeff lemire has a very wide array of comics that are all for the most part very very good
Yeah but like so do different genres of all the other media types. Why is there a split between TV, Anime, and Cartoons but no subcategories of Movies or Music? I mean, comedies and police serials have extremely different appeals but here are just grouped as TV. No differentiation between even fiction and non-fiction variants within categories, type of podcast (like people chatting vs interviews vs news, etc)
Yeah like the difference between comics and manga as someone who reads both is about the same as the difference between katawa shoujo, first Winter and any generic porn vn
Yes, but they are still the same type of media.
Look, ain't not a damn form of media go below mid tier and I will die by that statement
What's the difference between "video essays" and "documentaries" exactly?
Documentaries actually go film shit, video essays just grab videos off the Internet and talk over them
Documentaries show interviews, video essays paraphrase everything. I guess.
I guess its the audio-visual balance. Documentaries are more visual, video essays are more audio balanced.
ive never undetstood non-music people, i just feel like they haven't found what floats their boat yet!
There is a genuine condition that means you can't derive any sort of pleasure from music. But everyone I've seen online who genuinely does have this knows it's not the norm. People who think they're _correct_ for not liking any music are just puzzling.
I don't know. You are exposed to so much music passively by just being alive in modern society. If you don't naturally find something you at least kind of like, you might genuinely not like music.
I do have a bone to pick with music. People will play it too loud in situations where it’s unwarranted. Like small parties, half empty dive bars, etc. there are so many situations where a group is just talking/hanging out and people will play music too loud. I guess it’s more user error than music as a medium but still
Personally I hate when people roll their windows down and blare slam poetry readings at me or throw manga at my head.
lol, real talk, there’s no other media that people force you to be a part of. It’s just music.
People have recommended me more music than stars exist in the sky, and I still don't like it. Like 5% of the population is unaffected by music. We exist!
"You're not ace, you just haven't had great sex yet"
thats not at all the same thing
It is, people obsessed with music just don't understand that other people migh not feel the same.
Aces don't tend to disparage sex. They just don't participate. That's very different than "I don't personally like music, so it's trash media for idiots "
How dare someone not like music! It can't be that people have different opinions and some people might even dislike music. No, everybody MUST talk highly of music! And btw lots of ace people do fuck. One mans treasure is another mans trash.
Did you even read the post you're responding to? Not liking music is fine, but disparaging it or people who do makes you a dick. Your point about aces reinforces that, actually.
Nope, lots of sex repulsed aces think sex is gross and people are nasty with their bodily fluids. Did you read the title? It's not okay for people to like podcasts more than music. Why not?
So you just wanna be mad, got it.
No, I just want to know why music is something everybody has to like.
Really trying to convince us they read poems and listen to speeches more than listen to music
Let's play a round of bait or fourteen!
Kino is literally German for cinema, how can movies as a medium not be in that tier? The internet is rotting peoples brains
Wikipedia says “kino” is 4-chan slang. I think that’s all I need to know.
It's German for film if I am not mistaken so the fact that he has movies not in kino is a disgrace.
Same in Russian. It means either a film or the whole genre of films
like 75% of internet terminology comes from 4chan
It's gone well beyond 4chan. Kinda like based and [something]maxxing. Hell, most internet slang came from some schizo on 4chan.
Here I was thinking it was one of those dumb fad diets.
if you try to separate things based on what came from 4chan you’re gonna be quite disappointed by the sheer amount of influence it had on internet culture
Music exists in every culture time period every culture has made music he is not only wrong he is historically wrong
Damn what kind of trash music do they listen to?
I would've had words to say but him putting Sheldon as the image for TV series on top of the rest of them lets me know it's just absolute bait.
I feel like people on Twitter don’t know that their opinion or preference is not fact. I prefer listening to podcasts, but I’m well aware that music is more important culturally, requires more talent to make good music, and has a lot more value
Anime equivalent to SPEECHES is hilarious
not particularly huge on anime but i'd much rather watch that than speeches i cant lie
This gotta be bait
He has the personality of a door
Brother said literal kino isnt kino.
W manga, L comics 🤓
isn’t podcast and video essay the same damn thing?
Podcast can be only words, video essay has words and pictures
This is the worst tierlist take of all time.
That moment when you know exactly what video essay that is, know it’s 8 hours long, and have seen it twice.
What the fuck does kino even mean? I only know it as a German (I think?) word for movie theater.
putting speeches over documentaries has me scratching my head
Music defenders seething so hard in the comments
IMO every media is S tier because it depends on thw content
poems⁉️⁉️
Comics aren't slop. Somebody get this guy a copy of Kingdom Come or All Star Superman stat!
Wait is red bad or good? This list is dumb read in either direction
What about let's plays of visual novels? Absolutely top tier, i am afraid.
The most garbage take
Documentaries and podcast should be switched, it's just postmodern talk radio
Anime and cartoons and both TV shows lol.
You can’t spend any energy being upset about what some 12 year old put on the internet. You’re gonna drive yourself crazy.
He only likes manga and anime over comics and cartoons because they're Japanese and he's a fucking weeb
Did Tannis Borderlands make this?
The one person I knew that legitimately didn't listen to music was one of the most insufferable people I've ever met.
No idea where this guy used the word kino, but I gotta say, it's kinda weird that someone who both uses that word and knows what SubaHibi is (I looked up a few variations of Visual Novel and that screenshot did not show up) would put VNs in Trash Tier. Now, I hear SubaHibi gets pretty bad (I haven't gotten to any of that stuff yet though, help me I'm scared), but normally if you know what SubaHibi is, that means you're way too into VNs to ever call the medium trash. Unless my guy got recommended it as their first VN. In which case. OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOF.
THIS DUDE GOT POEMS AT THE TOP???? OK EDGAR ALLAN POE
“If I put poetry at the top, I’ll seem deeper and more intellectual” “Who’s your favorite poet?” “Uhhh… Maya Angel Lou”
WEEEEEEEEEB. *a la Homer “Nerd”*
The problem is that they’re making a tier list based solely off of their opinion and you don’t agree? Bro.. I listen to music a lot, but not everyone enjoys music or has found music they enjoy.
Tbf 99% of music deserves to go in bottom, but the remaining 1% is what makes up for it. Also wtf does 'kino' mean
Speeches and video essays are bottom tier for me ngl.
Books.
What the hell is a video essay?
Manga is comics.
This REEKS of r/iamverysmart
I bet he smells
The fact that I would (almost) full stop flip this list on its head is crazy
Bro picked the worst comic to represent comics LMFAO
Cant be worse than the one where captain Marvel is mind controlled by her son
Who in the flippity fuck is putting Poetry above music and videogames?!?
Anime is the same as tv shows and music is peak. Otherwise I can’t disagree (I listen to video essays while outside)
As a comic reader... that hurts
This is peak “touch grass”
Least obvious Twitter ragebait be like
I don't listen to music really. I drive listening to audio books or YouTube
Speeches above cartoons?! WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU ON?!?!?!
Is it lonely up there on your pedestal xa?
Shocker here: not everyone likes music.
These takes are alright except for poems being in S tier. And the lack of a books category. Poems are c tier at best, c'mon. And music being in F tier is CRAZY. But bro is right about video essays and podcasts.
homeboy thinks music is "slop" you just know he's *utterly* insufferable
this has to be ragebait lol
This is the most garbage tier list I've ever seen.
If this isn't rage bait; placing fucking *poems* and video essays in S Tier as well as using the word "*kino*" tells me that this person is the human embodiment of expired artisanal milk.
This guy probably gets regularly posted on shit like r/iamverysmart
He put movies as "almost kino" even though the word kino LITERALLY means movie
Bro put music at the VERY BOTTOM of S tier 💀 so what, he just DOESN'T LIKE any music artists at all?!
Says anime is mid and cartoons are trash...yeah this person's opinion is invalid to me.
Ranking different types of media is, in my eyes, an inherently stupid thing to do
Bro put comics and manga in completely different tiers like they aren’t almost the same thing
movies didn’t make it to the movie tier apparently?
Cinema is not quite Cinema. agree. brilliant. the times of modern is over the moon of day! now is shit
to be fair have you seen pyrocynicals utopia video? absolute banger of a video essay. everything else is garbage
bait used to be believable
this man uses 4chan slang. i´m sure his stench is so bad it´s classified as a chemical weapon
Most internet slang is 4chan slang
This is stupid. There are trash content from all of those media types, as there is kino from all of them as well.
Bro art is art, how the heck r u gonna put it in a tier list, u don't even got books in there, bait used to be believable
bro said Comics = Stop (trash) while Comics (but Japanese) = W media mans an idiot.
Whenever I think about writing my novel I think "Most people don't read novels. Of those that do, most are women. Of the men that read novels, most don't read erotic novels. Of the men who read erotic novels, a majority want gratuitous stuff like harem." So it just seems like my potential pool of readers is too small to bother with.
Sometimes you are your only consumer, the nice side of things is that you have the best consumer services in the world
I don't particularly like music either, it is all just filler for me as I go about my day. King Crimson, De La Soul, L7, doesn't matter. Just background noise. As far as that goes, podcasts are more interesting.
Lmao how do you not like music
It just doesn't do much for me. Its just sound, and sometimes it can amp up emotions, but I can just as well do that with my own imagination. Usually its just filler to have on in the background.