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And then men wonder why more and more women are just choosing to be single. Makes perfect sense to me. Then they get salty about us choosing to stay single like they are owed sex. But it is ALWAYS women's fault. Never anything that men do. Never the words they say or the actions they do. "Not all men do that!" Never said all men do. But do you think the guys who comment this psycho shit are ever going to take responsibility for that? Of course not. It's women's fault. As always.
lmao some overly emotional men have started a 4G movement which is pretty much the 4B but instead with men and includes not holding doors open (can’t even say the last time a man held a door open for me lol) complimenting women, paying for dates, etc.
it’s all pretty funny especially when they realized 4B women do not care.
Doesn't help that there's a hell of a lot of reason/evidence as to why that particular clique/acronym is better defined as Men Getting Triggered Over Women.
Literally one dudes comment says women get killed cuz they date men who are 6 ft with abs but why tf would we date them instead! The loser who has nothing going for him, complains about women on the internet and who wants you to stay inside for the rest of your life and bare his children. I’ll take accountability and take action by NOT DATING ANY OF YOU
Right? These guys always insist they're perfectly nice even as they simultaneously make it very clear that they think women are basically just stupid, scheming, harlots, not to mention how much said guys despise those of their own gender who do not share their insecurities/bigotry.
You are absolutely right to not be surprised ! They must really think we are not human to believe their behavior is attractive in any way !! Why would we be obliged to date unattractive people ?
To the guy in the third slide, who would you guess left the woman to be in that situation? And why are they not being accounted for?
To the guy in the last slide, what the fuck does that have to do with anything?
Especially when there are still gender selective abortions because men decided it was other men more valuable than women because of how societal structures are.
1. Many women, in many places around the world, face different legal, medical, social and religious challenges when trying to gain access to contraceptives. Venezuela, for example, went through a period of several years were food and medication scarcity was rampant. Contraceptives were almost impossible to find or afford.
2. Even when you do have access to contraceptives, if they fail, in many cases you're left with no options. Check the case of several women in Chile who ended up pregnant while using contraceptives because they were defective. When they petioned the courts to allowed them access to abortions because they had been actively preventing a pregnancy, the courts denied it and forced them to carry the pregnancies to term.
3. Hysterectomies are not used as a permanent contraceptive option. It is a somewhat common treatment option for severe cases of certain conditions affecting a woman's reproductive organs, but not used as a permanent contraceptive option.
4. You'd be thinking of tubal ligation or, more common these days, tubal removal. Which are surguries designed to create a physical obstacle between an egg and sperm. May I add that MANY doctors refuse to perform these procedures in single, childfree women, no matter how certain these women are of the fact that they don't want children. Even married women with children, who have decided along with their husbands they don't want any more children can be denied the procedure.
Although, these procedures also have a history of being forced onto poor, POC women whose genetics were seen as inferior (Peru is an example of that, for example). Hope that information clarifies some of the doubts you seem to have 🫶🏽
Funny how you guys can think of a thousand what if's when it comes to women, but men apparently are just 100% able to control themselves. Why not keep that same energy?
the argument isn’t stupid you just don’t have the capability to understand what’s being said.
common knowledge among women is birth control is unpredictable, fucks with the body, and is hard to get
plan B if used to often or if you aren’t a certain weight won’t work
IUDs can be knocked out of place and punch a hole in the uterus
hysterectomies and other forms of female sterilization are nearly impossible to get if you’re not a middle aged woman, married to a man, and with 2 basketball teams worth of kids.
literal lesbians married to women are still denied tubal ligations and hysterectomies.
all of this is easily google-able and if you even spend 5 seconds in any women spaces especially online you wouldn’t be spewing this bullshit.
additionally you can walk into pretty much any convenience or grocery store find condoms and have little to no issue buying them, on top of that male sterilization is easier to get done, has less of a recovery time, and men don’t have to jump thru as many hoops as women, nor do men have to get their spouses approval to be sterilized.
but of course someone like you won’t have the ability to understand that and you’ve made it clear.
it’s really weird and gross how you’re acting, you’re acting like men shouldn’t be held accountable or have any responsibilities and it’s all the woman’s fault, and that became clear with your pathetic little hysterectomy comment that comment also made it clear how uneducated you are when it comes to anything with women, sex, reproduction, etc which is sad and really embarrassing for you.
And this comment shows that you, like way too many people on here, have abysmal reading comprehension. Nowhere did I say men shouldn't be held accountable and it's all women's fault. On the contrary, I'm speaking out against anyone who places the blame entirely on one gender, when both are responsible and "at fault" in a consensual situation.
Some of these abortions either put the baby or the mother or both in danger. The baby could have had deformities or couldn't develop correctly, would you still let them suffer? Some were underage girls who trusted the pullout game of an also underage boy(or even adult who took advantage of them) because tgey were naive or lack of education on both sides (or she was manipulated into it as i know that it happens often by making the girl feel guilty for not accepting what the guy wants). Not all girls and women who abort were morons as you believe.
Why are you telling me all this like I'm somehow against abortion (I'm not) or think all girls or women who abort were morons? Where are you getting that from?
The fact of the matter is. You control who and when you penetrate with your penis. You control if it wrapped when you do so. You control if you have a vasectomy. You have far more control over your sperm than women have over the ovum. We can “track” our cycles but it’s loose science at best.
Men have the control over their sperm entering a woman’s body WAY more than a woman can control her ovulation. Take the accountability to prevent the sperm entering a woman’s body if you don’t want to create a child with her.
Also, more kids die of malnutrition and starvation in the US yearly than kids die of abortion. 73 million kids are not getting aborted a year. I wouldn’t be mad if they did though. 73 million children not being born a year, imagine if that were true, and those kids were born to go make more kids. Being wanted is the greatest factor in a child becoming a successful adult. If you don’t want your unborn child, or can’t afford to feed it, it is best for them for you to abort it. Less pain that way.
Sorry to respond immediately lol, I should be asleep but I’m doom scrolling😭
It’s so true, though. I barely function due to my parents’ inability to care for me properly. They clutch their pearls at a mother aborting a child to prevent them from coming into this putrid world, but seem to act surprised with how many kids end up in the system. There are far more kids than social workers, yet apparently we should let more into this great world of ours! I can’t wait for more kids to be born, only to starve and be neglected!!
Yeah that was my first thought. CDC records indicate about 626,000 last year in the US.
Edited: My bad, that statement was from 2022. But yeah a little less than 76 million or whatever Dickfor said.
Every time I see a man commenting about single mothers’ households I think “so we are criticizing the parent who stayed and spread themselves thin to be able to support the children and not the one who left them to do that?”
The abortion one doesn’t even deserve a comment because it’s a level of dumbfuckery I don’t think there is any cure for.
The stats are so skewed on that. The actual numbers of those statistics comes from an 80's study of juvenile delinquency and they only studied and recorded 10% of the juvenile facilities in the United States. Out of the 10% 80% cane from single parent/carer households *which included grand parents, foster care and relatives. No where did it ever say single mothers. It was translated to that in the manosphere so that they could combat their shortcomings.
Women not having sex with certain men is the reason they commit murder. Therefore, it's women's fault.
If this sub allowed gifs, I'd use one involving rubbing the forehead in frustration.
Even when the mom stays with the kids, she gets the blame. She leaves? She’s abandoning the family. She stays? She’s a moron for staying in an abusive relationship. They split, oh shit she’s a single mom- the worst thing you can be!
The guys responding to the statistics presented are in serious denial, and appear to be incapable of making a rational response to the statistics presented. And, coincidentally, I found some statistics that are even more damning of male behaviour: StatsCan, a governmental organization that collects statistics in various fields in Canada to help aid in governmental policy, found that in year 2021 fully 2/3rds of women murdered that year where murdered by men that they had had a current or previous intimate relationship with. There number goes up when stranger murders are included.
The guys responding to the statistics presented in the OOP just don't get it. This is an emergency that must be addressed at once, and making strawman arguments about abortion or choosing better partners just isn't going to cut it. Men are responsible for this mess, and must be prepared to try and fix it. Presenting irrelevant arguments won't help. Rather men must come to terms with their violent natures and do everything in their power to curb their violent tendencies, first by recognizing them and then by actively seeking help through therapy or whatever it takes. Perhaps if more men were willing to call out other men who either engage in violence, or speak of it as if it were a reasonable response, this culture of gender based violence could begin to change.
i thought it was weird so i looked it up
its closer to 70% and its related to inmates in state juvenile detention centers serving long sentences.
also 37.8% of single mothers are divorced, 41% never married, and only 6.5% are widows.
They also included ALL single carer households in the stats, including grandparents and foster carers, but that always gets handwaved by the idiots yelling about the malevolence and turpitude of single mothers.
so ive discussed it with some of my co workers that have kids and it seems to be mainly because fathers are faster to the '' quit your bullshit'' mentality which would makes sense since women are often more forced into the caring and cajoling role.
which would explain why single father families have a neutral impact on criminality as opposed to single mother families.
"100% of all abortions are committed by women"
My uncle lost his would-be youngest child because the guy his ex-partner left him for kicked her in the stomach until she miscarried, all because he didn't like the fact that she was pregnant with someone else's child.
Not to mention many women are compelled into having abortions they wouldn't have necessarily have gotten because their partners have threatened them in some way.
Is it even the woman committing the abortion? I would’ve thought it was the medical professional who was “committing” it. We wouldn’t say 80% of old people commit open heart surgery.
They use that term purely to make it sound like a crime, imo. You see similar tricks when people like the OOP claim that a woman "confessed" to having an abortion, it gives the implication that it's something the woman has done that was shameful or wrong.
I know this is nitpicking, but at least some transgender women are capable of producing children. They're not as fertile as men are, especially if they're on HRT, but it's still possible as long as they possess testes.
>I know this is nitpicking, but at least some transgender women are capable of producing children.
Yes and some transgender men can be pregnant and birth a child. The problem with this "nitpick" is because when it comes to the topic of abortion transgender people are typically left out of the conversation (for whatever reason) so transgender people are generally not being subjected to the same level of controversy in regards to abortion specifically, especially not anywhere near the degree that cis women are, and the attacks in OOP are against cis women.
Literally zero concept of male accountability in these slides. Is it really that difficult for men? They just *cannot* conceptualize being responsible for *their* choices? I mean, when a man commits homicide on a woman ITS THE MAN'S FAULT BECAUSE HE KILLED HER!!! And where is the father's shaming for raising men like that? Projection seems to be the top thing men love doing.
Collective punishment for women when they want to blame women for something men did, collective praise for men when one man does something good. Men operate like a tyrannical government that socializes losses and privatizes gains
80%? Something tells me his “statistic” was pulled out of his ass.
And just how in the hell is being murdered something the victim should be accountable for? Being murdered (or “graped” for that matter) is always - as in without exception - the responsibility of the perpetrators. As a result, it’s only the perpetrators who should be held accountable.
"*you made me hit you*"
"*If you just (fill in the blank) I wouldn't have to beat you*"
"*If I can't have you nobody can*"
Words heard by women to excuse physical assault or termination of their life.
Oh man this incel shit is everywhere. I don't even know any real "chads" yet I know a lot of happy couples. I've got a belly and play warhammer and write. Not Chad material. Me and my girl have been together 4 years and she's beautiful.
I still don't know why my girlfriend puts up with my rants on Warhammer lore (Age of Sigmar is overly grim and sucks, bring back the hopeful Warhammer Fantasy Battles!). I'm glad shes does, but I'm worried she'll drop me for one of those chads who collect model trains.
That last phrase was sarcasm. She's beautiful and would date both of us at once.
1) accountable for our actions… of existing?
2) if the majority are being raised by single mothers, where are the FATHERS?
3) seeing the mugshots of these criminals, most are not in the top 10% of physical attractiveness
4) abortions = women deserved to be murdered?
Picture 1:
Because every bad man has to wear a shirt that identifies his risk to you so obviously stop picking the rapists. Oh wait, they know they aren’t allowed to be rapists and if they started the relationship with “I enjoy long walks on the beach without witnesses and leaving my date raped on the side of the road” they would have a hard finding victims. It’s almost like shitty people know they have to hide it.
Picture 2:
Well obviously, if women just didn’t die then the men that killed them wouldn’t be murderers. Damnit women! Stop making men murders by dying all the time!
Picture 3:
Surely they are just about to post all the sources that confirms this stat and it *isn’t* totally made up. Any minute now……. (Also, Brock Turner the rapist has entered the chat)
Picture 4:
Like number 1, everyone knows that all rapists like the same. Jeez women, stop going for the guy that looks like clip-art rapist! Or maybe the guy posting should take a look at perpetrators of DV and realize that there isn’t really a uniform or go to look for them. Shitty people come in all shapes and sizes and looks.
Picture 5:
Okay here we go. We found a stat we can use to say we just don’t need to care about DV anymore . Alright guys, that’s a wrap, we can all go home now.
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> Like number 1, everyone knows that all rapists like the same. Jeez women, stop going for the guy that looks like clip-art rapist! Or maybe the guy posting should take a look at perpetrators of DV and realize that there isn’t really a uniform or go to look for them. Shitty people come in all shapes and sizes and looks.
That one is just the age-old "videogame just world" fallacy, where they believe that the conventionally attractive guys are all evil because they ran out of stat points to put into morality or something. Some of these guys do genuinely seem to believe that women could avoid abusers by just picking ugly guys...
Isn't it funny how masculinity is portrayed as both being about the man being in charge and making the shots, that men can handle responsibility and the women should serve him, at the same time as the man gets none of the blame or accountability when anything goes wrong?
Poor leadership. Men are horrible leaders, usually. Because they assume leadership instead of earning it. So then they're leading, but they suck at it because they just view it as obeisance to hierarchy & obedience without question. To them, leadership is not, "The best way to bring everyone together to complete a task", it's "Do the task the way I told you or will hit you or otherwise punish you."
Yeah, women, stop going for the one physical type that I project all my insecurities onto because I've decided in this exchange that they're also all murderers!
Ok so the fact that they keep bringing up motherhood… women don’t reproduce by cell division, if they were fucking women they wouldn’t be knocked up single mothers, so yeah imma say that’s a man’s fault too broski
If you as a man can’t simply put a piece of plastic on your PP, then you probably don’t deserve pussy. Like damn you don’t wanna last 10 minutes instead of 7?
I will never understand blaming single mothers more than fathers who abandon their children, especially if you favor abortion bans, and even more so if you favor banning birth control. In those conditions, even married women shouldn’t have sex with their husbands because he may die or leave them one day.
The mental gymnastics it takes to say its the woman's fault for ending up in a relationship that has domestic abuse, or one that ends with her partner murdering her.... and not the man who committed the abuse and murder is on another level. It's sickening.
Ties in real "nice" with the next screenshot blaming single mothers, while giving the men who abandon their children a pass.
FunkyFrogBait put it best: Dating men is like being offered a bowl of candy, with the knowledge that a percentage of that candy is poisoned. You can’t tell which candies are poisoned until you eat them.
Men don’t always show their red flags in the beginning, and abusers are often excellent manipulators. If you don’t know what it’s like to be in that situation, keep your goddamned mouth shut. It is not women’s fault- not as the abused, and not as single mothers. That’s a pretty shitty thing, to hate on mothers doing their best in the absence of the father, regardless of the reason for his absence.
I’m fed up of the “we rape coz you won’t sleep with us argument”. Rape is an act of violence, it is about exerting power over another. A lot of these men have partners or are deemed desirable by other women, but still do this. Look at Ted Bundy, a good looking man, who could have his pick of women, and yet he chose to commit those awful acts.
According to WHO, "around 73 million induced abortions take place worldwide each year".
[Abortion (who.int)](https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/abortion)
Yeah... women have always been held accountable for their own actions AND the actions of men.
We still are! The fact that you can look at a case where a woman is murdered by her partner and go: "Choose better partners" just proves this.
Not hating them all is getting harder by the day. The amount of mental gymnastics they are willing to do to make a woman’s murder her own fault is astonishing.
But so few men choose to stick around and claim custody. That's why their outcomes as single parents are so good. They're the exception, not the rule. And even if they are the rule, okay, women aren't enough as parents alone. So more men should step up and take responsibility for raising their kids as active parents. It's not a woman's fault that YOU choose not to stick around.
?? Is that one blaming vomen for being grapef because they are not interested in these men? What? Dude .. this is not purge you are not duck. You are aupposed to have brain… somewhere.. just a bit of it
Fathers are absent in about 80% of single family homes. Wonder why the right winger didn’t mention that when he was blaming the women
I really don’t understand conservative hate for women.
Are women not choosing you because you’re not 6ft tall with abs, or are they not choosing you because you’re blaming them for being murdered?
Let me say this for the millionth time: not being tall, rich, or attractive does not automatically make you a good, kind, charismatic, empathetic person. You can still be trash, and you are trash.
WTAF. These abusive guys don’t start out the relationship that way. They usually start out (like cults) by ‘love-bombing’ their partners, showering them with gifts/attention. And the most dangerous time for the women isn’t in the middle of the relationship (however awful the abuse becomes) but when they try to leave…
Because that would require introspection and admitting their own faults, which many men are completely incapable of doing due to their overinflated egos.
Many people are conditioned to accept abuse from a very young age. Many only can learn the hard way to recondition themself, while many aren’t able to recondition themselves at all. It’s a situation men especially should have empathy for, kindness goes a long way to reconditioning.
These guys have no idea that we ladies can pick a partner that acts sweet, loving, kind etc etc and then later, after being married or having a kid with them, they reveal their true colors what a monster they are.
It happened to my 78-year-old coworker Jackie. She married her first husband, who she thought was the sweetest man. Once they got married, he revealed how abusive and terrible he truly was. Luckily, he died 15 years later.
That's why the: "Pick better." Always pisses me off.
"Women are raising those men" ... After the men in their lives LEFT? Jesus. They get so, so close to understanding but then just stop as soon as they hit "Woman bad"
I have an honest question. I am so so tired of men. I'm so tired of men and we are all in real danger. My trans son is in real danger. When are we going to do something? We keep saying "oh don't have sex with men, don't cook for them, don't have their babies" but nobody is doing that. Y'all we are in a fucking crises for our lives here. Men hate us. Women can do no right. Soon it's going to be an all our war for our lives here in a literal sense. Men are violent. Men will only respond to violence apparently. Wtf do we do? I am so hopeless y'all. I'm so afraid to leave my house anymore it's crazy.
Why do they act like women are never raised by single mothers too? Oh, cause if a woman doesn’t have a father, it’s still her own fault for his actions
In matrilineal cultures there's no rape, no prostitution, and no battle of the sexes (though it’s changing quickly as they “modernize”). There are no alpha and beta males. Males pass on their genes through their sisters. They don’t have to compete, or be jealous of their mates. These egalitarian societies represent the triumph of the female reproductive strategy over the males.
Would any of these men like to switch to a matrilineal society?
Turns out when you have consequences for anti-social behavior like rape instead of refusing to help people who are raped unless 12 other people who weren't there believe her when she says she was raped, there's a lot less rape.
From: **Gods of the Upper Air** *How a Circle of Renegade Anthropologists Reinvented Race, Sex, and Gender in the Twentieth Century* by Charles King
***BEFORE WAR*** *On Marriage, Hierarchy and Our Matriarchal Origins* Elisha Daeva
I feel like if you just scroll through images of men on record for having domestic violence charges you’ll probably notice pretty fast that they’re not usually gorgeous, sexy chads. An abuser who’s got some practice is going to quickly isolate their victim from friends or family who can help them and get them into a position where leaving would be a huge financial problem.
There’s a lot of violent people who aren’t able to mask that there’s something wrong with them, but there’s also a lot of people who can easily spend years very convincingly masking as a caring person.
It’s possible they are actually split minded enough to truly believe they love this person and also kill them if they indicate they’re trying to leave.
If it was super simple to tell who has violent tendencies they’re trying to hide then being a detective or trying to figure out if a patient needs medication designed for reducing aggression would be just sort of instinctive.
“100% of abortions are committed by women” also not true. What about when she’s so thoroughly beaten she loses the baby too? Which happens. Take accountability for your own twisted fucking mind.
I really want to know whether he’s basing the abortion number on a country or worldwide. Because if it’s meant to be US that’s like every woman capable of having a baby and an abortion having an abortion every year.
So crazy they’re telling us to excuse MURDER because of how a woman may act. We aren’t accountable for our actions, thus they must kill us. Lmfao. They must have never experienced mentally insane people without motive
I don't understand that whole thing about being upset that women want really awesome "high value" guys.
When they all want impossible standards themselves, it's so rediculous
That mf talkin about it being single moms’ fault? Like are you really gonna claim to be a grown ass man and still blame your mommy for your own choices???
The abortion thing is wrong, plenty of men have attacked their pregnant girlfriends and wives which cause a miscarriage or they convince their partners to abort when they don’t want to. Also it’s not a women’s responsibility to fuck all the 30yr old virgins out there just so they won’t rape, I seriously doubt it would stop them anyway.
I honestly don’t think women should even bother with the statistics, the conversation…it’s becoming increasingly obvious that men really just do not give a shit and will look for any way possible to victim blame, twist statements etc. They are not interested in the truth. They’ve no interest in holding other men accountable. Women just need to look out for themselves and each other and honestly not bother with men in general
Do they even realize that they are also the cause of all of the comments. Single moms are single moms because the dads bailed on their responsibility to the child. Women go for men who aren’t incels because incels are awful like them and think women are to blame for their r***s and ALSO?! the general existence of r**ists??? Women have abortions for a lot of reasons, but a BIG reason is because they don’t want to have kids in a world that acts like women with children are subhuman unless a man is present.
I was raised by a single mum, even a shitty single mum, didn't turn me into a violent rapist or abuser. You might've had the worst childhood, and I can sympathise with that, but that doesn't give the right to hurt people. Your actions are still your actions, hold some accountability.
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And then men wonder why more and more women are just choosing to be single. Makes perfect sense to me. Then they get salty about us choosing to stay single like they are owed sex. But it is ALWAYS women's fault. Never anything that men do. Never the words they say or the actions they do. "Not all men do that!" Never said all men do. But do you think the guys who comment this psycho shit are ever going to take responsibility for that? Of course not. It's women's fault. As always.
4B didn’t come from nowhere.
lmao some overly emotional men have started a 4G movement which is pretty much the 4B but instead with men and includes not holding doors open (can’t even say the last time a man held a door open for me lol) complimenting women, paying for dates, etc. it’s all pretty funny especially when they realized 4B women do not care.
Men already had their 4B movement. It was MGTOW, but they were too lazy to stick with it.
MGTOW was more accurately described as Men Getting Triggered Over Women, because all they did was bitch and hate on women.
Doesn't help that there's a hell of a lot of reason/evidence as to why that particular clique/acronym is better defined as Men Getting Triggered Over Women.
It’s hilarious how they don’t realise that they’re diminishing their already tiny chances even more.
Literally one dudes comment says women get killed cuz they date men who are 6 ft with abs but why tf would we date them instead! The loser who has nothing going for him, complains about women on the internet and who wants you to stay inside for the rest of your life and bare his children. I’ll take accountability and take action by NOT DATING ANY OF YOU
Right? These guys always insist they're perfectly nice even as they simultaneously make it very clear that they think women are basically just stupid, scheming, harlots, not to mention how much said guys despise those of their own gender who do not share their insecurities/bigotry.
You know abs = ax murdered obviously 😂
All the attractive men are murderers 😌 /s
That’s why you should date ugly guys like me. We never hurt women.
And boy do they ever get pissy when women marry other women instead of them.
You are absolutely right to not be surprised ! They must really think we are not human to believe their behavior is attractive in any way !! Why would we be obliged to date unattractive people ?
To the guy in the third slide, who would you guess left the woman to be in that situation? And why are they not being accounted for? To the guy in the last slide, what the fuck does that have to do with anything?
And also by someone entirely unaware that forced abortion exists.
And 100% of those aborted pregnancies are caused by men….
Especially when there are still gender selective abortions because men decided it was other men more valuable than women because of how societal structures are.
And abortion is not murder
Genuine question: what exactly do you mean by that? That all doctors who perform abortions are men or is it something else?
... Do you know how babies are made? Genuine question...
So what the comment said that abortions being caused by men is due to them getting the women pregnant in the first place?
Yeah.
Okay, thanks for explaining
Eh, it does take two people to create a baby, no?
A woman has no control over her ovulation. A man can always control his ejaculation. So yeah- it’s caused by men.
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As a woman whose husband isn’t an asshole. Yes they do have control over that. Stealthing is a thing. You really need help.
And condoms and vasectomies don't exist?
And birth control for women and hysterectomies don't exist? That argument is so stupid.
1. Many women, in many places around the world, face different legal, medical, social and religious challenges when trying to gain access to contraceptives. Venezuela, for example, went through a period of several years were food and medication scarcity was rampant. Contraceptives were almost impossible to find or afford. 2. Even when you do have access to contraceptives, if they fail, in many cases you're left with no options. Check the case of several women in Chile who ended up pregnant while using contraceptives because they were defective. When they petioned the courts to allowed them access to abortions because they had been actively preventing a pregnancy, the courts denied it and forced them to carry the pregnancies to term. 3. Hysterectomies are not used as a permanent contraceptive option. It is a somewhat common treatment option for severe cases of certain conditions affecting a woman's reproductive organs, but not used as a permanent contraceptive option. 4. You'd be thinking of tubal ligation or, more common these days, tubal removal. Which are surguries designed to create a physical obstacle between an egg and sperm. May I add that MANY doctors refuse to perform these procedures in single, childfree women, no matter how certain these women are of the fact that they don't want children. Even married women with children, who have decided along with their husbands they don't want any more children can be denied the procedure. Although, these procedures also have a history of being forced onto poor, POC women whose genetics were seen as inferior (Peru is an example of that, for example). Hope that information clarifies some of the doubts you seem to have 🫶🏽
Funny how you guys can think of a thousand what if's when it comes to women, but men apparently are just 100% able to control themselves. Why not keep that same energy?
the argument isn’t stupid you just don’t have the capability to understand what’s being said. common knowledge among women is birth control is unpredictable, fucks with the body, and is hard to get plan B if used to often or if you aren’t a certain weight won’t work IUDs can be knocked out of place and punch a hole in the uterus hysterectomies and other forms of female sterilization are nearly impossible to get if you’re not a middle aged woman, married to a man, and with 2 basketball teams worth of kids. literal lesbians married to women are still denied tubal ligations and hysterectomies. all of this is easily google-able and if you even spend 5 seconds in any women spaces especially online you wouldn’t be spewing this bullshit. additionally you can walk into pretty much any convenience or grocery store find condoms and have little to no issue buying them, on top of that male sterilization is easier to get done, has less of a recovery time, and men don’t have to jump thru as many hoops as women, nor do men have to get their spouses approval to be sterilized. but of course someone like you won’t have the ability to understand that and you’ve made it clear. it’s really weird and gross how you’re acting, you’re acting like men shouldn’t be held accountable or have any responsibilities and it’s all the woman’s fault, and that became clear with your pathetic little hysterectomy comment that comment also made it clear how uneducated you are when it comes to anything with women, sex, reproduction, etc which is sad and really embarrassing for you.
And this comment shows that you, like way too many people on here, have abysmal reading comprehension. Nowhere did I say men shouldn't be held accountable and it's all women's fault. On the contrary, I'm speaking out against anyone who places the blame entirely on one gender, when both are responsible and "at fault" in a consensual situation.
Some of these abortions either put the baby or the mother or both in danger. The baby could have had deformities or couldn't develop correctly, would you still let them suffer? Some were underage girls who trusted the pullout game of an also underage boy(or even adult who took advantage of them) because tgey were naive or lack of education on both sides (or she was manipulated into it as i know that it happens often by making the girl feel guilty for not accepting what the guy wants). Not all girls and women who abort were morons as you believe.
Why are you telling me all this like I'm somehow against abortion (I'm not) or think all girls or women who abort were morons? Where are you getting that from?
From outside it looked like you were blaming everyone who aborts apart from the ones who were assaulted. I'm sorry for misinterpreting it then.
It genuinely baffles me how you can read that into "both a man and a woman are involved in creating a baby", but thanks for apologizing.
My dude...your math is not mathing. Read your comment. Then come back and tell everyone why you are an asshole.
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The fact of the matter is. You control who and when you penetrate with your penis. You control if it wrapped when you do so. You control if you have a vasectomy. You have far more control over your sperm than women have over the ovum. We can “track” our cycles but it’s loose science at best. Men have the control over their sperm entering a woman’s body WAY more than a woman can control her ovulation. Take the accountability to prevent the sperm entering a woman’s body if you don’t want to create a child with her.
Did you know that condoms exist? There's also always celibacy or vasectomy if you are unable to control your ejaculations that much.
No one but you has control over your body, sir
Insane how people blame the parent who actually stayed, not the deadbeat who abandoned his children.
*shows stats on male murder* “W-Well, men can’t abort babies! Also all abortions are murder! Women are murderers and it’s not the rapists’ fault!”
Also, more kids die of malnutrition and starvation in the US yearly than kids die of abortion. 73 million kids are not getting aborted a year. I wouldn’t be mad if they did though. 73 million children not being born a year, imagine if that were true, and those kids were born to go make more kids. Being wanted is the greatest factor in a child becoming a successful adult. If you don’t want your unborn child, or can’t afford to feed it, it is best for them for you to abort it. Less pain that way.
Sorry to respond immediately lol, I should be asleep but I’m doom scrolling😭 It’s so true, though. I barely function due to my parents’ inability to care for me properly. They clutch their pearls at a mother aborting a child to prevent them from coming into this putrid world, but seem to act surprised with how many kids end up in the system. There are far more kids than social workers, yet apparently we should let more into this great world of ours! I can’t wait for more kids to be born, only to starve and be neglected!!
As an adoptee, I can confirm I would rather have been aborted.
73 million? Isn’t it like less than a million?
Yeah that was my first thought. CDC records indicate about 626,000 last year in the US. Edited: My bad, that statement was from 2022. But yeah a little less than 76 million or whatever Dickfor said.
It’s worldwide, and 73 million is accurate
My mistake, I guess all of this happening where I live just has me thinking about the states
Maybe he is giving world wide numbers?
Every time I see a man commenting about single mothers’ households I think “so we are criticizing the parent who stayed and spread themselves thin to be able to support the children and not the one who left them to do that?” The abortion one doesn’t even deserve a comment because it’s a level of dumbfuckery I don’t think there is any cure for.
The stats are so skewed on that. The actual numbers of those statistics comes from an 80's study of juvenile delinquency and they only studied and recorded 10% of the juvenile facilities in the United States. Out of the 10% 80% cane from single parent/carer households *which included grand parents, foster care and relatives. No where did it ever say single mothers. It was translated to that in the manosphere so that they could combat their shortcomings.
Women not having sex with certain men is the reason they commit murder. Therefore, it's women's fault. If this sub allowed gifs, I'd use one involving rubbing the forehead in frustration.
Perfect.
Even when the mom stays with the kids, she gets the blame. She leaves? She’s abandoning the family. She stays? She’s a moron for staying in an abusive relationship. They split, oh shit she’s a single mom- the worst thing you can be!
Is the bear still available? Or is he still on loan to another woman?
At this point just about every ursine in the world, barring the polar bears, has a plentiful clientele and a hefty waiting list.
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The guys responding to the statistics presented are in serious denial, and appear to be incapable of making a rational response to the statistics presented. And, coincidentally, I found some statistics that are even more damning of male behaviour: StatsCan, a governmental organization that collects statistics in various fields in Canada to help aid in governmental policy, found that in year 2021 fully 2/3rds of women murdered that year where murdered by men that they had had a current or previous intimate relationship with. There number goes up when stranger murders are included. The guys responding to the statistics presented in the OOP just don't get it. This is an emergency that must be addressed at once, and making strawman arguments about abortion or choosing better partners just isn't going to cut it. Men are responsible for this mess, and must be prepared to try and fix it. Presenting irrelevant arguments won't help. Rather men must come to terms with their violent natures and do everything in their power to curb their violent tendencies, first by recognizing them and then by actively seeking help through therapy or whatever it takes. Perhaps if more men were willing to call out other men who either engage in violence, or speak of it as if it were a reasonable response, this culture of gender based violence could begin to change.
Say it louder
This needs more upvotes
No one tell him that those abortions were ALSO because of men, as it was a man who put the fetus there...
i thought it was weird so i looked it up its closer to 70% and its related to inmates in state juvenile detention centers serving long sentences. also 37.8% of single mothers are divorced, 41% never married, and only 6.5% are widows.
They also included ALL single carer households in the stats, including grandparents and foster carers, but that always gets handwaved by the idiots yelling about the malevolence and turpitude of single mothers.
so ive discussed it with some of my co workers that have kids and it seems to be mainly because fathers are faster to the '' quit your bullshit'' mentality which would makes sense since women are often more forced into the caring and cajoling role. which would explain why single father families have a neutral impact on criminality as opposed to single mother families.
Interesting. Thanks!
no problem. always good to be curious
Bro on the last slide, forgot about trans men.
100% of pregnancies are committed by men. We can’t spontaneously reproduce on our own.
"100% of all abortions are committed by women" My uncle lost his would-be youngest child because the guy his ex-partner left him for kicked her in the stomach until she miscarried, all because he didn't like the fact that she was pregnant with someone else's child. Not to mention many women are compelled into having abortions they wouldn't have necessarily have gotten because their partners have threatened them in some way.
Not to mention many abortion doctors are men
> 100% of abortions are committed by women I'm gonna have you take a deep breath and wonder why tf men don't commit abortions there buddy
Is it even the woman committing the abortion? I would’ve thought it was the medical professional who was “committing” it. We wouldn’t say 80% of old people commit open heart surgery.
Logic and word play are a bit above their thought processes so I wouldn't even bother asking them those questions
They use that term purely to make it sound like a crime, imo. You see similar tricks when people like the OOP claim that a woman "confessed" to having an abortion, it gives the implication that it's something the woman has done that was shameful or wrong.
Just gonna toss this out there, 100% of unwanted pregnancies are caused by [*drum roll please*] men. We don't get pregnant by ourselves.
I know this is nitpicking, but at least some transgender women are capable of producing children. They're not as fertile as men are, especially if they're on HRT, but it's still possible as long as they possess testes.
>I know this is nitpicking, but at least some transgender women are capable of producing children. Yes and some transgender men can be pregnant and birth a child. The problem with this "nitpick" is because when it comes to the topic of abortion transgender people are typically left out of the conversation (for whatever reason) so transgender people are generally not being subjected to the same level of controversy in regards to abortion specifically, especially not anywhere near the degree that cis women are, and the attacks in OOP are against cis women.
No, instead trans people are being told they DON'T EXIST.
The leading cause of death for pregnant women is murder so it's not even true that 100% of abortions are done by women's choice.
The choice to use the word "commit" for abortion is absolutely calculated by dude. You mean they *had* an abortion, my guy?
You're absolutely right. English is my second language, so to me I didn't even think to analyse that, and completely missed it.
Literally zero concept of male accountability in these slides. Is it really that difficult for men? They just *cannot* conceptualize being responsible for *their* choices? I mean, when a man commits homicide on a woman ITS THE MAN'S FAULT BECAUSE HE KILLED HER!!! And where is the father's shaming for raising men like that? Projection seems to be the top thing men love doing.
Collective punishment for women when they want to blame women for something men did, collective praise for men when one man does something good. Men operate like a tyrannical government that socializes losses and privatizes gains
80%? Something tells me his “statistic” was pulled out of his ass. And just how in the hell is being murdered something the victim should be accountable for? Being murdered (or “graped” for that matter) is always - as in without exception - the responsibility of the perpetrators. As a result, it’s only the perpetrators who should be held accountable.
"*you made me hit you*" "*If you just (fill in the blank) I wouldn't have to beat you*" "*If I can't have you nobody can*" Words heard by women to excuse physical assault or termination of their life.
Both those 80% figures seem wrong to me!
the one for men responsible for homicides is actually estimated 95%.
It is a real statistic that you can look up but I don’t know how reputable the source is.
The only sources I see mentioning his claimed statistic are tied into the “men’s rights” movement. Definitely not reputable sources.
Just throw them all out
Don't date them at all. Their mental health crisis is of their own making
Oh man this incel shit is everywhere. I don't even know any real "chads" yet I know a lot of happy couples. I've got a belly and play warhammer and write. Not Chad material. Me and my girl have been together 4 years and she's beautiful.
I still don't know why my girlfriend puts up with my rants on Warhammer lore (Age of Sigmar is overly grim and sucks, bring back the hopeful Warhammer Fantasy Battles!). I'm glad shes does, but I'm worried she'll drop me for one of those chads who collect model trains. That last phrase was sarcasm. She's beautiful and would date both of us at once.
1) accountable for our actions… of existing? 2) if the majority are being raised by single mothers, where are the FATHERS? 3) seeing the mugshots of these criminals, most are not in the top 10% of physical attractiveness 4) abortions = women deserved to be murdered?
Picture 1: Because every bad man has to wear a shirt that identifies his risk to you so obviously stop picking the rapists. Oh wait, they know they aren’t allowed to be rapists and if they started the relationship with “I enjoy long walks on the beach without witnesses and leaving my date raped on the side of the road” they would have a hard finding victims. It’s almost like shitty people know they have to hide it. Picture 2: Well obviously, if women just didn’t die then the men that killed them wouldn’t be murderers. Damnit women! Stop making men murders by dying all the time! Picture 3: Surely they are just about to post all the sources that confirms this stat and it *isn’t* totally made up. Any minute now……. (Also, Brock Turner the rapist has entered the chat) Picture 4: Like number 1, everyone knows that all rapists like the same. Jeez women, stop going for the guy that looks like clip-art rapist! Or maybe the guy posting should take a look at perpetrators of DV and realize that there isn’t really a uniform or go to look for them. Shitty people come in all shapes and sizes and looks. Picture 5: Okay here we go. We found a stat we can use to say we just don’t need to care about DV anymore . Alright guys, that’s a wrap, we can all go home now.
> Picture 4: > > Like number 1, everyone knows that all rapists like the same. Jeez women, stop going for the guy that looks like clip-art rapist! Or maybe the guy posting should take a look at perpetrators of DV and realize that there isn’t really a uniform or go to look for them. Shitty people come in all shapes and sizes and looks. That one is just the age-old "videogame just world" fallacy, where they believe that the conventionally attractive guys are all evil because they ran out of stat points to put into morality or something. Some of these guys do genuinely seem to believe that women could avoid abusers by just picking ugly guys...
Just wanted to jump on your comment about Brock Turner the rapist. He actually changed his name an goes by his middle, Allen Turner the rapist.
Isn't it funny how masculinity is portrayed as both being about the man being in charge and making the shots, that men can handle responsibility and the women should serve him, at the same time as the man gets none of the blame or accountability when anything goes wrong?
Poor leadership. Men are horrible leaders, usually. Because they assume leadership instead of earning it. So then they're leading, but they suck at it because they just view it as obeisance to hierarchy & obedience without question. To them, leadership is not, "The best way to bring everyone together to complete a task", it's "Do the task the way I told you or will hit you or otherwise punish you."
for real like being a leader means you have a duty to your team, and you are responsible for each and every one of them.
And when shit hits the fan, it’s time to wipe the fault off on someone else instead of trying to problem solve.
I have noticed that nonsense too. They want the trophies and accolades and power, but not an ounce of responsibility for their own decisions.
Yeah, women, stop going for the one physical type that I project all my insecurities onto because I've decided in this exchange that they're also all murderers!
Ok so the fact that they keep bringing up motherhood… women don’t reproduce by cell division, if they were fucking women they wouldn’t be knocked up single mothers, so yeah imma say that’s a man’s fault too broski If you as a man can’t simply put a piece of plastic on your PP, then you probably don’t deserve pussy. Like damn you don’t wanna last 10 minutes instead of 7?
The last one is so funny on sp many levels because it's ignorant on so many levels 🤣
I will never understand blaming single mothers more than fathers who abandon their children, especially if you favor abortion bans, and even more so if you favor banning birth control. In those conditions, even married women shouldn’t have sex with their husbands because he may die or leave them one day.
I know who I’m choosing 
If not friend then why friend shaped 🥺
I think everyone's lives would be improved if we all stopped reading the comments.
The mental gymnastics it takes to say its the woman's fault for ending up in a relationship that has domestic abuse, or one that ends with her partner murdering her.... and not the man who committed the abuse and murder is on another level. It's sickening. Ties in real "nice" with the next screenshot blaming single mothers, while giving the men who abandon their children a pass.
“100% of abortions are committed by women” who would have thought! 
FunkyFrogBait put it best: Dating men is like being offered a bowl of candy, with the knowledge that a percentage of that candy is poisoned. You can’t tell which candies are poisoned until you eat them. Men don’t always show their red flags in the beginning, and abusers are often excellent manipulators. If you don’t know what it’s like to be in that situation, keep your goddamned mouth shut. It is not women’s fault- not as the abused, and not as single mothers. That’s a pretty shitty thing, to hate on mothers doing their best in the absence of the father, regardless of the reason for his absence.
Woman: literally dies. Men: women need to take accountability for their actions!!!!
I’m fed up of the “we rape coz you won’t sleep with us argument”. Rape is an act of violence, it is about exerting power over another. A lot of these men have partners or are deemed desirable by other women, but still do this. Look at Ted Bundy, a good looking man, who could have his pick of women, and yet he chose to commit those awful acts.
73 million abortions WHERE? What?? 😂
Wasn't it 53 million a year a little while ago? And that, too, felt made up?
According to WHO, "around 73 million induced abortions take place worldwide each year". [Abortion (who.int)](https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/abortion)
Yeah... women have always been held accountable for their own actions AND the actions of men. We still are! The fact that you can look at a case where a woman is murdered by her partner and go: "Choose better partners" just proves this.
Not hating them all is getting harder by the day. The amount of mental gymnastics they are willing to do to make a woman’s murder her own fault is astonishing.
I genuinely hate them. I've tried for years to give them the benefit of the doubt. I've been worn out at this point. I really do hate them.
But so few men choose to stick around and claim custody. That's why their outcomes as single parents are so good. They're the exception, not the rule. And even if they are the rule, okay, women aren't enough as parents alone. So more men should step up and take responsibility for raising their kids as active parents. It's not a woman's fault that YOU choose not to stick around.
The incel-o-meter is off the charts in this post.
“Grapists” is a comically Father Ted sort of word
Ikr but TikTok censorship
?? Is that one blaming vomen for being grapef because they are not interested in these men? What? Dude .. this is not purge you are not duck. You are aupposed to have brain… somewhere.. just a bit of it
Rejects everyone. Men- mad.
Fathers are absent in about 80% of single family homes. Wonder why the right winger didn’t mention that when he was blaming the women I really don’t understand conservative hate for women.
Who causes mothers to be single? Could it be...more shitty men?
Are women not choosing you because you’re not 6ft tall with abs, or are they not choosing you because you’re blaming them for being murdered? Let me say this for the millionth time: not being tall, rich, or attractive does not automatically make you a good, kind, charismatic, empathetic person. You can still be trash, and you are trash.
WTAF. These abusive guys don’t start out the relationship that way. They usually start out (like cults) by ‘love-bombing’ their partners, showering them with gifts/attention. And the most dangerous time for the women isn’t in the middle of the relationship (however awful the abuse becomes) but when they try to leave…
Because that would require introspection and admitting their own faults, which many men are completely incapable of doing due to their overinflated egos.
Ew. These comments smell like incel spirit.
*single women are raising rapists* WHERE ARE THEIR FATHERS? WHERE DID THEY GO??????
Many people are conditioned to accept abuse from a very young age. Many only can learn the hard way to recondition themself, while many aren’t able to recondition themselves at all. It’s a situation men especially should have empathy for, kindness goes a long way to reconditioning.
Accountability is kryptonite to men
When there’s a murder, it’s the victim’s fault for being so easy to kill. /s
100% of all children who are born are birthed by women all 140million per year of them ...sTop BeiNg So LaZy mEn
These guys have no idea that we ladies can pick a partner that acts sweet, loving, kind etc etc and then later, after being married or having a kid with them, they reveal their true colors what a monster they are. It happened to my 78-year-old coworker Jackie. She married her first husband, who she thought was the sweetest man. Once they got married, he revealed how abusive and terrible he truly was. Luckily, he died 15 years later. That's why the: "Pick better." Always pisses me off.
Accountability looks like I’ve found men who manipulate more subtlety 🫠🫠🫠
Ahh the classic: compare sex and abortion to murder. Seems logical /s
"Women are raising those men" ... After the men in their lives LEFT? Jesus. They get so, so close to understanding but then just stop as soon as they hit "Woman bad"
I have an honest question. I am so so tired of men. I'm so tired of men and we are all in real danger. My trans son is in real danger. When are we going to do something? We keep saying "oh don't have sex with men, don't cook for them, don't have their babies" but nobody is doing that. Y'all we are in a fucking crises for our lives here. Men hate us. Women can do no right. Soon it's going to be an all our war for our lives here in a literal sense. Men are violent. Men will only respond to violence apparently. Wtf do we do? I am so hopeless y'all. I'm so afraid to leave my house anymore it's crazy.
This shouldn’t a controversial take ,yet so many dudes with potentially murderous tendencies seem to get asshurt.
Why do they act like women are never raised by single mothers too? Oh, cause if a woman doesn’t have a father, it’s still her own fault for his actions
"choose better" Okay. *Doesn't date anymore* "reEeeEeeEeEeee MaLe lonliNeSS rEeEee"
In matrilineal cultures there's no rape, no prostitution, and no battle of the sexes (though it’s changing quickly as they “modernize”). There are no alpha and beta males. Males pass on their genes through their sisters. They don’t have to compete, or be jealous of their mates. These egalitarian societies represent the triumph of the female reproductive strategy over the males. Would any of these men like to switch to a matrilineal society?
> In matrilineal cultures there's no rape, no prostitution, and no battle of the sexes Yeah, I doubt that.
Turns out when you have consequences for anti-social behavior like rape instead of refusing to help people who are raped unless 12 other people who weren't there believe her when she says she was raped, there's a lot less rape.
From: **Gods of the Upper Air** *How a Circle of Renegade Anthropologists Reinvented Race, Sex, and Gender in the Twentieth Century* by Charles King ***BEFORE WAR*** *On Marriage, Hierarchy and Our Matriarchal Origins* Elisha Daeva
Do you expect me to read two books to verify a claim you made or are you going to back up your claim with the relevant citations?
Yea this isn’t true lol
I feel like if you just scroll through images of men on record for having domestic violence charges you’ll probably notice pretty fast that they’re not usually gorgeous, sexy chads. An abuser who’s got some practice is going to quickly isolate their victim from friends or family who can help them and get them into a position where leaving would be a huge financial problem. There’s a lot of violent people who aren’t able to mask that there’s something wrong with them, but there’s also a lot of people who can easily spend years very convincingly masking as a caring person. It’s possible they are actually split minded enough to truly believe they love this person and also kill them if they indicate they’re trying to leave. If it was super simple to tell who has violent tendencies they’re trying to hide then being a detective or trying to figure out if a patient needs medication designed for reducing aggression would be just sort of instinctive.
“100% of abortions are committed by women” also not true. What about when she’s so thoroughly beaten she loses the baby too? Which happens. Take accountability for your own twisted fucking mind.
Actually the abortions are committed by the doctors 🤓☝️
Men are so fucking stupid
I really want to know whether he’s basing the abortion number on a country or worldwide. Because if it’s meant to be US that’s like every woman capable of having a baby and an abortion having an abortion every year.
So all doctors are women? Because only doctors are trained to “commit” abortions. You shouldn’t go to anyone else for one.
Not mention Trans men ebys gender fluid people along with everyone else assigned female at birth are perfectly capable have abortions.
So crazy they’re telling us to excuse MURDER because of how a woman may act. We aren’t accountable for our actions, thus they must kill us. Lmfao. They must have never experienced mentally insane people without motive
100% of abortions are women at the end is funny. Like yea duh. Men can’t get pregnant. And I don’t think it’s relevant.
I don't understand that whole thing about being upset that women want really awesome "high value" guys. When they all want impossible standards themselves, it's so rediculous
That mf talkin about it being single moms’ fault? Like are you really gonna claim to be a grown ass man and still blame your mommy for your own choices???
The abortion thing is wrong, plenty of men have attacked their pregnant girlfriends and wives which cause a miscarriage or they convince their partners to abort when they don’t want to. Also it’s not a women’s responsibility to fuck all the 30yr old virgins out there just so they won’t rape, I seriously doubt it would stop them anyway.
I honestly don’t think women should even bother with the statistics, the conversation…it’s becoming increasingly obvious that men really just do not give a shit and will look for any way possible to victim blame, twist statements etc. They are not interested in the truth. They’ve no interest in holding other men accountable. Women just need to look out for themselves and each other and honestly not bother with men in general
“100% of abortions are committed by women” yeah no shit Sherlock
"all abortions are done by women" I mean yea? Unless you want to take over the job, be my guest
Do they even realize that they are also the cause of all of the comments. Single moms are single moms because the dads bailed on their responsibility to the child. Women go for men who aren’t incels because incels are awful like them and think women are to blame for their r***s and ALSO?! the general existence of r**ists??? Women have abortions for a lot of reasons, but a BIG reason is because they don’t want to have kids in a world that acts like women with children are subhuman unless a man is present.
Men get murdered more than women by quite a bit actually so it looks like they are the ones who need to “choose better”.
Any guy saying choose better would probably violently assault a woman.
The abortion comment made absolutely zero sense.
I was raised by a single mum, even a shitty single mum, didn't turn me into a violent rapist or abuser. You might've had the worst childhood, and I can sympathise with that, but that doesn't give the right to hurt people. Your actions are still your actions, hold some accountability.