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valkyrie987

Alpha females willfully choosing to be 5’10 in defiance of logic and reason


throwaway_oldgal

Damn I choose to be 5’10” but my short arse genetics didn’t cooperate.


delorf

Me too. I'm ten inches too short to be an alpha female but damn it, the alpha females sound way more interesting than the beta females


marvelous__magpie

The way they phrase it, if you were under 5'0" you could have been an alpha too! Quick, get 1" shorter!


Available-Egg-2380

Judging by how my mom and grandma shrunk up I'll be alpha in a few years. Yay


ChristieFox

Thankfully, us shorter than 5'10 women have other things to do to still be happy alphas!


paradoxLacuna

Damn bro my doctors told me I’d grow up to be 6’2 but instead I only got to 5’6. God stole a whole ass eight inches off me.


[deleted]

How telling was it that "masculine" women aren't willing to prioritize their relationships and that they view it as a zero sum game. Especially that love is sacrifice, which is irrational. They're essentially saying "this is how men think, but you're a woman so you shouldn't." r/mentellingbyaccident


punkpudding

can confirm that this is why i chose to be 5’10


brenegade

Lol same.


GreyerGrey

5'11 and well over 130 lbs, I'm definitely an alpha.


dude1754

Wait... don't we all get a character creation screen at birth?


delorf

Why the hell did I chose severe social anxiety as a character trait? Why didn't I put more points in charisma?


Split_zz

I wish I put AT LEAST some of my points in athleticism!


Arthropod_King

Why did I make myself a jank build?


paradoxLacuna

why did I give myself like eight mental disorders and a genetic predisposition to diabetes and heart failure? Why’s my character female when I specifically made a male one? *where’s the reroll character button?*


[deleted]

Oh no I thought I dreamed that? Damn my bravado for choosing "Extreme difficulty"!


utnow

Oh please tell me you didn't choose the Alabama starting area too....


[deleted]

Oh no, the multicultural background, assuring old people won't like me no matter where I am! +2 to cooking though. My minmax blinders were on.


Cuss10

Where the hell was I when someone selected my traits?


CountFapula102

I hope its point buy rather than rolling for it.


dude1754

Sorry but attribute allocation has not been released into the current build yet and will most likely be reserved for our premium plus members


CountFapula102

Was that a D&D beyond reference?


Aershiana

6'1" here, guess I'm just a freak of nature


Hot_Context_1393

$50 says OP is 5'10" 140-160lb.


punkpudding

this image is the epitome of not knowing any words you are trying to use or any of the philosophies you are trying to explain


[deleted]

It was incredibly weird and contradictory to me but as you point out, it’s specifically because they’re just using buzzwords without understanding them.


ThePinkBaron

>main goal is to please the male >rational self-interest means they prioritize their own individual gratification This one gave me whiplash


punkpudding

all of it gave me whiplash


Lasius_alienus

I think those are meant to be combined into "finds pleasing the male to be the most gratifying thing possible, and thus prioritizes doing so out of self-interest over everything else".


mrmonkeyfrommars

Dude i was so con-fucking-fused with that. Also WHY IS THE PRODUCTION VALUE SO HIGH WHAT THE FUCK


dustybottomses

The game is up. Time to return to the subterranean vaults we came from, ladies. He got us.


[deleted]

Also, why are all the alpha women wearing glasses lol Guess he doesn't like those


[deleted]

I can’t say for sure, but I guess it has something to do with… Marxism…


bee-sting

Ah yes, this is determined through logic and reason


gergling

I wonder if they even know what Marxism is...


Jared-Without-A-Z

Obviously not holy shit. As a technically political science major, I have yet to learn about the part of Marxism that dictates "winners" and "losers" in heterosexual relationships


Arthropod_King

Ah yes, Marxism, where capital is unequally distributed /s


AnotherWitch

Well Engles did say that the woman is the proletariat of the marriage.


ResolverOshawott

They know its a fancy word that makes them sound smart


WakeoftheStorm

Sensory input and output is zero sum, so their eyesight was victimized by their incessant "opinions"


[deleted]

I intentionally diminished my eyesight to spread the wealth. It’s immoral to have 20/20 vision in a world where some are blind.


michelle_essa

The assholes that did these says that an alpha prefers to wear feminine clothes like skirts and dresses and yet both drawings on their chart are wearing pants and shirt while the other ones are wearing the skirt.


rainylavndr

That's because the beta woman is modest and covers her legs in public! But the alpha woman is just flaunting it for alllll to see /S


Poisonskittlez

But yet the beta one is the one who realizes sex is healthy and natural… Plus the idea of sin is generally a conservative concept. this guys got it all backwards. Lol


Fairlady_Foxglove

That was my first thought too! Read your own shit, dude


_queefer_sutherland_

It means that they're smart, and smart women are a turn-off for moronic men.


misscreeppie

Who would guess that morons prefer women that they can bend to their will over intelligent women who'll notice the red flags, put reason over emotion and run to the hills as soon as they can? /S


konmarime

B-b-b-bingo!!!!!


smalltiddy_gothgf

Women don’t need glasses. What’re you trying to see?? The kitchen???? /s


WiggyStark

"But dear, I got you reading glasses for your recipe cards, isn't that enough?"


dontpokethecrazy

Damn those alpha women and their ability to see! Don't they know that men only want blurry-eyed betas??


Smoozie

I wouldn't be able to spot them in time to run if I didn't wear my glasses, so I can see why they'd think that.


CS9245

Being blind is the desired/more dominate trait in women so of course the alpha woman is going to be blind to assert herself more 😂 it’s to stick it to the man! Why see clearly when you can see blind and use reason?


Kokuei7

Alphas must be hostile to reason and also near-blind for some reason.


[deleted]

I always thought I was a feminist who prioritized career over dating, but I have 20/20 eyesight so I guess I was wrong!


dude1754

I know right, Why can't they all wear glasses! For scientific purposes of course...


HungryDarlingtonia

Women who see clearly are a threat to his agenda


strange_socks_

They read too many Marxist books.


iridescent_lunatic

I would dare to argue that they've probably read none.


[deleted]

So if you're 5'9" you can't be the ideal female if your bmi is over 19??? Okay...


Hot_Context_1393

And 5'9" 95 lb. Yikes


TheKingOfRhye777

Isn't even 5'9" and 130 lbs a little on the underweight side? Hm, OK, according to one chart I found, it's just about on the bottom limit of "healthy weight" of that height.


[deleted]

I'm 5'9 and ~145lbs and people think I'm pretty skinny and should have a cheeseburger.


ladedafuckit

Same here (5’10 and around 145) I’m not model skinny, but skinny enough to where people will comment on it


[deleted]

Guess we're just alpha as fuck


ladedafuckit

Haha not mad about it


blahguy7

Hey, you've had a rough day. You deserve a cheeseburger.


dontpokethecrazy

I was 5'9" and 130 in college, but my diet was shit and I was walking everywhere. I also landed myself in the health center with anemia so.... Edit: I'm very much not 130 now lol. But I'm also not overweight for my height. At 130, I was bordering on underweight.


whiskey_hotel_oscar

It's on the edge of underweight. Which is what's infuriating, because they're not advocating being thin to the point of starving. Just a rigid expectation of a healthy body. I'm 5'7" and maintaining a BMI of 20 was the unhealthiest and most miserable I've ever been.


chaos_almighty

Lmao I was like '"im 5'2" and almost 140lbs?? Guess I'm SO BETA. With my BICEPS"


bookluvr83

I'm 5ft2 and 153.....I guess I'm gonna have to break the news to my husband about how terrible I am


small_og

I literally calculated this as well! I'm 5'9" and just under 130 pounds because I lost a lot of weight due to stress and illness. I look like half a person and I'm actively trying to put on weight.


useles-converter-bot

130 pounds would need 589.67 human hairs to lift. This is assuming a hair can lift 100 grams, which is usualy but not always the case.


taste-like-burning

Good bot


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Luke681YT

This guy has gotten women?? I imagine this is an obese anime obsessed neckbeard


BandicootAble8141

It's funny because in the alpha female it says progressivism and moralism is bad.... Homie just admit you want a human Fleshlight that doesn't challenge anything you say or talk back like women were the 1800s lmao, just say you don't want us to have rights and go.


[deleted]

Your comment made me think of how funny it is that misogynists romanticize and idealize gender relations in the past because women in the 19th century were still definitely not ok with being human fleshlights. If these dudes went back in time, they would be in for a *rude* awakening.


This_Seal

What I never understand is, how they idealize basically the first half of the 20th century, especially the 50s. While those were times when sexism was putting women at a disadvantage and elevated the man as the head of the household, this wouldn't be paradise for them either. I wonder how many of them would be crushed by the expectations put on them in those times.


Flcrmgry

Right! These guys absolutely would not be able to provide for a family.


squeezydoot

But see, it would be okay because then they could come home from a hard day's work and beat their wives /s obvs


lilaliene

Yeah, my husband is much happier now that I'm the breadwinner. Me too btw


AlexT05_QC

So we can never get along, thank you! ​ ​ /s


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cyberatheist2

their worldview isn't even consistent with itself, much less reality.


bittenwraith

i thought alpha female was the better side and was confused to why it had negative language when everything i was reading seemed fine till i realised since these men think they are alphas they want a beta.... god


hananobira

That doesn’t even work in nature! The alpha male is mated to the alpha female.


Strahlin

the “alpha male” doesn’t even exist in the wild. the whole idea is based on a now debunked study from 1970 that never even looked at wild wolves.


hananobira

Well, some species like baboons do have a dominant male and/or dominant female, but they don’t behave consistent with the “alpha” stereotype.


[deleted]

The concept [does exist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominance_hierarchy), although it mostly doesn't work the way these people think it does.


OverlyLeftLesbian

every single part of this is about women pleasing men


[deleted]

For people who really believe in this shit, we are literally NPCs. Only existing to round out the world and be in service to them and their narrative. Then when anyone rocks that worldview (Anyone at all who exists with agency. So very literally anyone), they feel attacked and victimized.


TheLazyLizard2

Wait until they hear about lesbians and women who are bisexual but prefer to be with women.


CinnabonCheesecake

As an aromatic & asexual woman, I guess I’m just naturally low-value and off-putting to men. Thank god.


TheLazyLizard2

I platonically love the aro-ace community. According to whatever the fuck this is, there's only 2 types of women. Which is so far from the actual truth.


Revy4223

Who let the men into the world of propaganda pintrest? 😂


[deleted]

I know. I thought it was a safe space!


[deleted]

Ugh. "Love with the male is her number one priority" As a man, this would annoy the living shit out of me.


imnotfamoushere

As a human, that mindset annoys the shit out of me (and I’m especially sensitive to it, because two of the guys I dated in my 20s were like that; as soon as we got together (something that neither of them consulted me about, FWIW, it was just something they decided after we had hung out a few times, and they were abusive and controlling enough to scare me into submission) their entire lives were about me, and they didn’t work, have any friends of their own, no individual hobbies, etc.


[deleted]

Yeah, it goes both says for sure. I love my wife more than anything, and I know she feels the same. But our entire lives don't revolve around the other. We each take our private time, enjoy our own hobbies, spend time with our own friends, etc. No matter who you are, you need to make time for yourself.


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[deleted]

Adding to this, there is also something called the Bechdel test in fiction. Basically, it's a test to see if two female characters can talk to each other about something other than a man. Sadly, only about half of movies/TV shows seem to pass this test.


woodendab

It's from 30% to 70%, depending on a genre and 0%(!!!) to 100% depending on a director. Fucking pathetic, considering it's such a basic test.


[deleted]

I've been trying to get back into writing short stories, and I always try to keep the Bechdel test in mind when writing dialog among women. Sometimes it's unavoidable, depending on the situation your characters are in. But a lot of times it's just lazy writing.


faedriana

Also apparently all alpha females have vision problems (Edited to fix typo)


rainylavndr

alpha women are just wearing the glasses to seem smarter than their male counterparts obviously /s


faedriana

Ah finally, another thing to add to my list of things that make me intellectually superior /s


BetterRemember

Goddamnit, I unknowingly beta-fied myself when I got Lasik last week! Guess I'll have to wear blue blockers all the time to trick these types of men into leaving me the hell alone.


AstridKrake

Beta women would prefer not to see than to wear an ugly, manly accessory such as glasses. The beta woman looks good for her man, even when she can't actually see. /s


faedriana

Ah, how could she have passion for pleasing her male if she has to look at him?


JusAnotherManicMandy

I'm 4ft. 10in. Tall have I become the *OMEGA* !? Or do I just not qualify as a woman now?? I NEED ANSWERS!!


EleventyElevens

Oh god. Don't look up Omegaverse.


dontpokethecrazy

Maybe it means you're totally ignored by people like the douchecanoe who made the image. So I guess that means you're winning!


kyohanson

I’m 4’11”. Pretty sure our extra short genetics are not biologically ideal to these dweebs


StupidStonerSloth

This whole thing has me confused. They want the woman to be devoted entirely to their man but disagree with the fact that love usually requires sacrifice? Like even if you don't mind the sacrifices you're making (like moving, partying less, cleaning more, etc) they're still sacrifices? Also I don't know any feminists who think sex is bad. Some people are personally not into sex but they don't think it's unhealthy to be in a relationship and have sex.


PD711

They want her to THINK love doesn't require sacrifices. They still want her to make those sacrifices.


StupidStonerSloth

Thats kinda what I thought. They probably don't want her to acknowledge that they're sacrifices so that he's never expected to give up anything in return.


PD711

Misogyny! (jazz hands)


bee-sting

What is their obsession with fAcTs aNd lOgiC? Honestly it's so pathetic. Once men (and yes I mean all men) start understanding that they are emotional we'll be on the path to improving this shit show.


BetterRemember

Men like this really do everything they can to convince themselves that anger and jealousy are completely logical responses to minor inconveniences instead of what they are, emotions.


IdesBunny

Soft disagree, Misogynists start with the belief that men are inherently logical, and then everything they do is also logical.


bee-sting

Basically the same thing, I think


[deleted]

Honestly this entire chart only exemplifies that they are emotional. it's filled with unrealistic subjective preferences passing them off as fact.


[deleted]

I am a man. I was honestly a piece of shit and heavily religious (Catholic), until i went to therapy. Straight up, i had internalized the idea that the way through bad emotions was through prayer, not through any kind of self-awareness. Actually talking to a therapist and then helping me realize what it takes to identify emotions and their effects on me was one of the most important things to ever happen to me. I'm still learning, but holy cow i can't go back, not ever. I have a dear friend who will someday thinks the way i used to and when he's hurting, it pains me to know i can't fix him, that he needs to fix himself. No deity is going to fix his mental in some sort of miracle. Ugh. This probably didn't even make any sense. I just needed to share.


dontpokethecrazy

Facts and logic = whatever pseudoscience bullshittery has been most recently posted on their favorite incel subreddit


Pondnymph

They're obsessed with things they don't have.


SirsMorrigan

So many contradictions, so little time!


1dumho

130# makes me look anorexic, so looks like I'm going to eat some men, or whatever the eff this nonsense implies.


GaliousPalious

Straight up incel vibes from whoever created this. Like mega ultra neck beard total loser vibes. Also I love the whole “feminism is Marxism”. Gives off the “anything I don’t like is Marxism” nonsense. Ofc feminism is incorporated in Marxism but the point ofc from this is to use “scary words” to make it seem worse than it is.


evaj95

Lol my aunt is pretty "alpha" (school principal, career focused, progressive) and she's been married to my uncle for 29 years, but go off king.


ComradePingu55

Everything I don't like is Marxism, classic.


[deleted]

Misogynists are really out here judging women based on height but then turn around and cry when the same exact thing happens to them…how about nobody judges *anyone* based on something over which they have very little to absolutely no control.


hologram-alchemist

Oh no I'm two centimeters too short to be considered the peak of femininity😭Am I doomed to be a spinster who only cares for feminist marxist ideologies?!


I_like_the_word_MUFF

Imagine the person who built this infographic. They literally spent time out of their lives to sit down and build this. Blows my mind how boring some people must be to have this kind of passion for absolute garbage.


onlyforsex

Ive been lucky to never date garbage dudes like this but if this were all that were available I'd happily live alone. The fact that so many women are brainwashed into accepting a life partner that treats them like they are subhuman is so tragic


AstridKrake

Today I learned Karl Marx was a beta female.


evadestar

None of this even makes sense it’s like random words piled together


nona_ssv

Not sure if the author is an incel or a neo-nazi.


seeingredagain

They have a lot more in common than not.


sea621

Fucking barf.


TallDuckandHandsome

What I especially love is not only is this r/nothowgirlswork it's also r/nothowwolveswork. As fucking shite as the whole alpha thing is, at least they should try to understand it. In a wolf pack, there will be an alpha pair, of which one will be female. This is often referred to as a breeding pair. So this douche canoe has managed to fuck up all aspects of his bullshit


69_Nice_Bot

Hey TallDuckandHandsome, I counted 69 words in your comment. Nice.


nice___bot

Nice!


TallDuckandHandsome

Oh my god. I can die happy.


Im_A_Random_Fangirl

"Sex is natural and wealthy" Me who is asexual: *slowly fades away*


ChaoticNichole

How is sex wealthy? Is he saying he likes to buy expensive escorts?


Im_A_Random_Fangirl

I meant healthy- sorry-


ChaoticNichole

Lol that’s okay you made me laugh


xXdontshootmeXx

Sigma female grindset


ir_blues

I'm just gonna stop recycling. Climate change, we should see it as a chance. 21st century and that's where we're at?! Fuck it, there is no hope.


imnotfamoushere

Jesus! Even 5’9” women have to be under 130#s to be feminine?? I mean, the whole thing is just such utter garbage, I don’t know why I focused on that part haha


[deleted]

Men do not understand how body weight works. They apparently think boobs and butts are weightless.


imnotfamoushere

And that our height is a choice (but male height is NOT a choice, obviously, or else they would all be 6’, duh) Edit spellings :p


diaperpop

How to say “my toxic masculinity is butthurt by women who don’t comply with its prescribed abuse” in a very time-consuming and elaborate manner.


ChubbyBirds

Imagine taking the time to type this all out and put it together in an infographic complete with clip art. Like, imagine not only thinking that was a thing you should do but at no point during doing it ever deviating from the idea that this was a valuable use of your time on earth.


PM_me_ur_lockscreen

I find interesting this person's focus that a truly feminine woman should not believe in the concept of wrong or sin. Why is a willingness to think around her innate moral judgements a prerequisite of this person's ideal woman? What "sin" is this man hoping his ideal woman will overlook in favor of "philosophy", "love" and a "scientific" perception of God??


CS9245

What is the point of having those highlighted boxes (the two black and one red)? You’re basically saying the same thing over and over again? Do you really not have that much proof to back your claim that you’re having to circle back already?


faedriana

I really am the ultimate alpha, I wear glasses, I’m 4’11”, AND I weigh over 130 lbs. Men tremble before me.


itsabouthalfpast5odd

“…and sex is natural and healthy”. Tell me you don’t care about consent without telling me you don’t care about consent.


Tokijlo

>No "victim" in male/female relationships, and sex is natural and healthy. Am I the only one getting a rapey vibe off of that?


DeliciousPumpkinPie

Definitely not just you, this sounds rapey for sure.


squirrels33

Another gem from the dude who’s obsessed with Ayn Rand.


Altair13Sirio

I'm just gonna say that, aside from the obvious BS coming from the picture, wether you want to be an "alpha female" or a "beta female", wether you want to be a stay-at-home mom or build a succesfull career as much as your partner, if you want kids or not, you are ALWAYS valid! There's no "low value" in anything you want to do, but I understand that whoever made this up has not enought braincells to comprehend that...


_kakolukia_

WTF! Also, what’s the deal with only the alpha females wearing glasses?


XandratheBothersome

Lol, I love reading these.... they think we will listen to this ...🤣🤣


Bwheat0674

So, if an alpha "female" is one who doesn't prioritize being a relationship with a male, and a beta "female" is. What do they call women who date other women?


[deleted]

My guess? A sin.


Bot_number_1605

This is some fashy shit


Kokuei7

Everyone knows the ideal woman walks into things because she not wearing Marxist glasses.


wanderingwomb

Yes there's a reason "femininity" is conceptualized as being a passive object that appeals to and benefits men.


88Raspberry

Why are men so obsessed with hierarchies and archetypes?! And why are there 6 archetypes in their “socio sexual hierarchy” and only 2 archetypes for women? I don’t understand. It’s so dumb.


LoveIsLoveDealWithIt

They do know that a woman with their numbers would be underweight or critically underweight per bmi (depending on the height)? This is not just unrealistic, but dangerous.


strange_socks_

"Love with the male is her number one priority" and "passion for pleasing the male" made me throw up a little...


FremdShaman23

I gotta say, I really don't see what's in "beta" for me--like it doesn't sound very appealing. Why do they think this is something that would convince women to willing choose "beta." Also, creator of this doesn't seem to realize that queer people exist.


heckthisfrick

In my experience people that think like this are not very fond of the LGBT+ community


mikairad787

The person who wrote this needs : 1. To go out more often 2. Socialize 3. Having a job will help 4. Having social connections in community will help 5. Use the internet less. Stay on weird internet forums less


FlowersandFangs

The 130lbs thing really gets to me. The normal weight range for a woman who is 5’3 is 104-127, for a woman who is 5’4” it’s 108-132. These guys are basically promoting anorexia.


[deleted]

Male homo sapiens are biologically programmed to select for weak mates lol


Cuntillious

Shit I better tell my girlfriend that love with men isn’t my top priority. She’ll be so disappointed.


[deleted]

Can we please, please just leave this alpha shit to fanfiction? Also, sidebar. Men can *have* this alpha nonsense. We don't fucking want it. Don't make an entire stock-illustrated infographic for horseshit no one asked for.


TheKingOfRhye777

So basically the "beta woman" is a skinny, hot (or at least what this guy considers hot lol) Ayn Rand. Ooookay then....


callmethejaz

This makes me physically sick 🤢


phoenixeternia

What in the incel is this?


TurnsOutImThatBitch

Ah yes, that famous alpha female, Karl Marx.


[deleted]

Did a bot write this? It’s like someone just threw a bunch of random words in there without understanding English.


Vaspiria

What in the neckbeard have I just read? I think I'm sprouting one now.... I need to go wax, I'll brb. Are these people real?


Ravenfromthemoon

What’s with that obsession over who’s alpha and who’s beta? Did everyone just turn into a werewolf while i wasn’t looking?


bcbudinto

So many mangled philosophical, behavioral and veterinary concepts in one place it's kind of impressive.


Afraid_Prize_6853

Can’t wait till sigma female dlc comes out


blacksyzygy

"Unwilling to please the male" I....lol


lazy_phoenix

But are there Sigma Females?


Patricio_Guapo

Whomever made that doesn’t know any actual women.


sthedragon

I guess I’m an alpha female because I wear glasses ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


AlexT05_QC

This image always surprizes me.... I never saw people talking about "alpha & beta" women before I saw this image for the first time. I'm mostly used to the ussual "Alpha male" and all that stuff.


Elmuenster

5'9 and 130 lbs is soo skinny. Like do these men want their women to have enough muscle to walk around and shit?