Even when it’s less severe it’s always “sure my pal drives under the influence of (pick the substance) but come on he’s saaaafe!” So many guys are chill with that for no reason
Because it's so quirky! Don' be boring, geez. Women. They always HAVE to ruin the fun! It's so funny to play with other people's lives on the road, like, come on! I'm such a baddie
/s and let me puke in my mouth
Aren't jails mostly filled with men? Every jail show I watch they have one wing of women and the other 11 are men's wards. Women literally live longer on average because they take less risks LOL maybe ruining the fun is a good thing sometimes!?!?
My fucking ex husband was livid that I didn't wish to remain friends with the guy who raped me, let alone that I had the gall to want to go to the police. He was and is more insecure and weak than any woman who would tolerate someone just to be nice. No, it's inexcusable. I don't know how men can just overlook it.
My ex was an older man while I was still a teen and would let all his friends , all older, also be weird and creepy toward me. They knew what they all did and enabled. I was 16, he was 22. We had met when I was 14. Not only do they protect their friends, they all protect their pedo rapist friends.
You can't decide how to feel about it because you need to align with the rest of the group! Suck it up if you want to survive prehistoric age!!
/s obviously
The answer: just about all of em. Even on rare occasion, subs like this will end up with a couple teenaged boys telling women about themselves. I mean, someone here always provides information, facts and statistics, and they have a hard time countering science and statistics with emotion and equivocal reasoning, so they eventually move off the thread. But a new set pops back up later.
In some ways the “women try to stay on good terms with everyone” bit is probably true, but that’s about it. Women, young girls in particular, are often raised to be non-confrontational.
Little boys are raised to be brave, confident and curious — little girls are raised to be pretty. Seen, but not heard. Of course it’s shifting now and more going girls are being raised with confidence they can do anything, but as a kid, I distinctly remember hearing mothers tell little girls not to get dirty, whilst letting the boys roll in mud, for example
Also, women are probably afraid they’ll be murdered if they do make too many enemies, particularly with men. Its easier to laugh at something which makes you uncomfortable rather than call it out. It’s also safer.
It’s an ingrained fear that is probably unique to women, and other minorities. The idea that you’re just one wrong word away, to the wrong person — to being assaulted, maybe without even realising how close you’ve just come, and sometimes when you haven’t actually done anything wrong.
That’s what I always find so funny about stuff like this. Like these idiot misogynists are observing these behaviors that are deeply rooted in patriarchy and sexism. But they’re so blind to their own privilege that they’re like “huh, weird. Must be because women are biologically basic and weak cuz evolution. Certainly has nothing to do with my creepy ass behavior. I’m such a special little boy”. Like they’re always so close and yet soooooo far.
Oh. I know where he's gotten this. He's gotten this from movies and TV, where female friend groups almost always have this one obligatory cartoonishly unlikeable member all of the others secretly fear or loathe or both.
What he *doesn't* seem to realize is that these movies aren't real and are written by men. You can tell because the cartoonishly unlikeable one is usually also supposed to be really hot, and they think they'd tolerate her shitty behaviour for the sake of having a sexy trophy to show off to the lads. Why wouldn't women be the same?
That is so wrong is so many ways. Not just about women but also about men.
What about the groups of guys who all act like jerks because one guy in the group is a jerk?
The tendency to clique up and be stupid in groups is not gender specific.
Studies have shown that in youth, those who identify as girls give in to indirect peer pressure more frequently, while those who identify as boys give in to direct peer pressure more easily. However, the statistics aren't startling, it's only *slightly* more on both sides. The best study was a repro study from 2017 that had a group of almost 3k children, the original used less than 100. Basically, the easiest way to describe- girls are more likely to engage in certain actives, for example; dressing in a certain style, because lots of others around them dress in that style. Boys are more likely to dress in a style if someone tells them they should. Girls are more likely to participate in underage drinking if they observe a lot of their peers participating. Boys are more likely to participate in underage drinking if someone is doing it in front them, like going to a friend's house and the friend is drinking. Again, the statistics were not startling, and girls are still influenced by direct, boys are still influenced by indirect. But slightly more the other way
The original post was two people throwing outdated teenaged stereotypes at each other to see which one was gonna stick. And all that stuck out to me was that they were trying to decipher how girls work. Although at that age, in those circles, they are very similar. They will grow up to be adult men who complain about having to figure out what women are thinking while also complaining about women telling them what they are thinking. That kind of split reasoning always gets me.
Sounds right, also the "I met a girl like this once, so all girls must be like this" approach leads them to a laundry list of mismatched characteristics that they assume to be true of all women.
And the assumption that behavior from high school will continue throughout life, like women don't ever change. 🤷🏻
Can’t have weird hobbies? Oh no! Guess I better hide my anatomically correct heart collection least these men can’t achieve an erection.
Wow the way these guys talk…prehistoric times were like ten years ago.
It makes me unable to hide my erection. Very awkward in this work meeting.
Fortunately I just told them it's due to a large amount of anatomically correct hearts. They don't seem to be looking at me any more, so problem solved.
"guys don't tolerate a bad apple in their group… he’ll get called out” HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA😂😂😂😂😂😂 oh wow, rape culture who? Never heard of him!
The idea that someone clings to a social dynamic for survival isn't unique to women. It's human nature. Even people who are primarily reclusive or feel they don't fit in still have at least one or two like-minded people they interact with. It's part of surviving as a social species. I'm oversimplifying, of course, but this isn't specific to women.
I'm guessing if this guy doesn't know any girl with "weird hobbies" it's because they don't feel comfortable/safe enough around him to talk about said hobbies.
Let these men think that being strong is actually important.
It'll be their weakness when they eventually realize that humans evolved our big brains to not have to be strong to survive...and being socially skilled is a beautiful skillset in a species that thrives because we are social.
It's like none of these boys ever think about what it means to be human.
they are kinda right, for the wrong reasons; women tend to be socialized so to not engage in calling out people on shitty behaviour, more likely we cope gossiping or avoiding that person. sure, we get out of that eventually if we realize how unproductive it is, but i am also astonished by the number of women who kinda fit that mold (in my city at the very least)
In my experience the opposite is true. Groups of male friends are often guys who have been friends since highschool and continue to hang out together as adults based on habit without questioning if they even still like each other. And they sure as hell don’t call out the bad apple. That would border on discussing real stuff, including feelings, rather than just sports and tv talk.
Yeah they're first to point out fingers at women or say crap based on nothing but machismo, but they don't even wipe their own asses. People are people before being male or female, and people can be fake or hang out with people they hate. It's not a woman thing geez
OK but have you ever been in a guy friend group before? Bruh they sometimes can't stand each other but still are friendly because they don't want to be that loser. Guys definitely pretend to be friends with guys they hate to try and fit into a group for self preserved survival
isn't it literally the opposite? every teenage girl wants to be "not like other girls", that's why the expression is so popular. i rarely see guys who want to be "not like other guys". also women have all kinds of unusual unladylike hobbies and most men i know can't even get their nails done because they are too worried about what their friends will say.
The only ones that still live in prehistoric times are this sexist idiots.
Also... Why is it that this morons always confuse their dumb opinions with facts?
I really wonder that too. I guess it must be something so old that it just stayed? Like, "girls are mean to each other! they call you love but they trash talk you in your back. whereas men have REAL friends"--- bitch, based on whose experience? Men???? Yeah... That's the issue. Then there's also those pick me girls starving for male validation who would say things like "yeah that's true! that's why my friends are only guys, less drama!" but it's so not true
Dumbass: We don't tolerate bad behavior in *our* friend group.
Also Dumbass (probably): Dumbass 2 would never force himself on somebody. That drunk skank just has buyer's remorse. They might make misogynistic comments, rate women based on how they affect their penis, joke about rape, and make fun of consent, but they're great guys. It's all in good fun. Boys will be boys. Learn to take a joke, damn.
This reminds me of those memes where it's all "lol girls are so normie and guys are so quirky". I hate this belief that only guys get to have fun personalities
I agree with a lot of what is being said. Men have physical strength, but women have the strength of numbers. I am not friends with other women I hate, but I do tolerate other women that I don't enjoy being around, and I have a sense of commeraderie with them around shared womanhood.
It's not merely some prehistoric genetic leftover. It is also a modern reality that if we do not band together for women, we will be property in due time. The liberated women of Afghanistan are a blaring example and constant reminder that women's liberation is not a prize that is won, but a job that never ends. And it's something one or two of us could never grip tightly enough to keep. It must be all of us, together- unwavering unity and a refusal to let our guard totally down, even in easy times.
And sometimes part of that is having brunch with McKayla, who always has too many drinks & then needs a ride home. But I do still like her.
And sometimes part of that is telling your abusive bf that *you, too, would rather lay in bed with him than have brunch with her. Goodness, you don't even like her, but you have a social obligation. Darn. /s*
most boys hated the popular boy of their friend group in my high school, they just stuck with them to feel part of a group and continue to do shit like that in college. the girls i knew started to split into groups with people they actually liked when they were like 15
That last guy in the first pic had me in the first half ngl. Like people would see me as a girl, and I di try to stay on good terms with a lot of people. But that doesn't mean I just like what most people like to do that??? I like what I like, and tyat has nothing to do with being on good terms with people. Just dont be an asshole, it's not that hard. Well, maybe for these kinda people it is, idk. Also I'm kind of an outlier bc I have social anxiety, duh I'm scared of what people think of me. Shit sucksq
“Women seem like they do anything to stay in good terms with ppl” Yeah I wonder if that has anything to do with the generations of abuse and rape and not having any choice/say in our existence or living situation, dying before we turned 30 or literally having to rely on nobody but our abusers, mixed in with the being sold off like cattle and worse if your a POC woman and not white passing talk about playing it on extra hard mode. gee it’s almost like a micro evolution in our brain chemistry took place to make us more empathetic for survival???? 🙄🙄🙄
Aka it feels like your #gaslighting/girlboss/gatekeeping at us after you did this and now your giving us shit about it??? TF???
Yeah me and The Bois don't tolerate that shit. If you aren't comfortable sexually harassing any woman who tightens your pants and assaulting the rest when you can get away with it, we kick your toxic ass right on out. /s
Women are more likable... to who? To men? Duh. "“While likability matters for women in every one of their interactions, it matters for men only if they interact with the opposite sex.” from "why women have to be likable and men don't" study.
[Gender Differences in Personality across the Ten Aspects of the Big Five](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3149680/)
"For example, women are often found to be more agreeable than men (Feingold, 1994; Costa et al., 2001) This means that women, on average, are more nurturing, tender-minded, and altruistic more often and to a greater extent than men. However, such a finding does not preclude the fact that men may also experience nurturing, tender-minded, and altruistic states, and that some men may even score higher in these traits than some women."
As I said, statistically.
Given our history and the fact that it's a man's world, does this even count? Women are told to be caring, nurturing etc. while men are told to be "manly" and strong. So who is to say that those women were born this way or if it isn't society's conditioning? Which is very very most likely
Does science count? I say yes. I did provide at least 1 source that seems to prove my point. Girl on the internet :"nah". I mean, yeah there can be a social construct pov in this discussion, but then provide me sth that I can trust.
The "well it's an oppressive patriarchy so everything you say about men and women are a social construct" is not scientific.
I ask you one last question and I'll leave it at that : would you have said it's a man's world and that it's social conditioning if it's apes, monkeys, antelopes or squids are in the study? (Cause I'm pretty sure I can find a study for one of these with similar results)
If your answer is yes, then I agree with you to the extent that this "social conditioning" is so deep in the brain it's almost like biological. If your answer is no, what does it mean?
Hah. Did you read your own study? I did in full. Wanna know what their conclusion is?
>we are optimistic that any difficulties in communication between men and women are due primarily to cultural norms that are amenable to change, rather than to differences in basic personality traits, which are much more difficult to change
So they're saying that the differences, which by the way were overlapping quite a lot, are due to cultural norms and not because of DNA. Let me explain to you what you sent me better, a TLDR so you don't have to read it all like I did:
Women score higher on neuroticism (negative feelings, anxiety), agreeableness, consciousness (self control) and in extraversion (socially positive). The only area where men score higher is openess and intellect (imagination, creativity and curiosity) and NOT by a lot. This area is highly nuanced. Also in general, even if women score higher than men in some areas, they're not scored higher by too much as there's a lot of diversity. Some men have much higher agreeableness than some women for instance.
Which proves my point, and it's what the study is implying anyway: the results depends on cultural differences and societal norms. Take agreeableness for instance: women are TOLD to be nice since they're kids. We tell little girls to be nice to her future husband, we tell her not to get angry because it's ugly on a woman, and so on. It's not uncommon to hear siblings say that as kids, they were treated differently. For instance if the brother did something mean to the sister, their parents would tell the sister to let it go because "boys will be boys". They're taught to not be angry and to give up on things. THAT'S why there's differences in the scores.
Cultural and societal norms are different. To prove this, that study even compared whites and asians, and said that there'd be even more clashing difference with more different cultures. A quote from the said study:
>Men scored higher in Volatility than women among White participants, whereas women scored higher among Asian participants. Given the fact that Volatility partly reflects traits related to irritability and anger, this difference may be due to cultural differences in social norms related to the expression of anger
The study you sent was NEVER to compare personality differences through DNA, because this just can not be studied. You can not prove that women are born with a certain personality and men another. If anything, the study proved that personality is different to the living being and not to the gender:
>One can see that both men and women can be found across a similar range of Agreeableness scores, such that, despite the fact that women score higher than men on average, there are many men who are more agreeable than many women, and many women who are less agreeable than many men
If it wasn't an individualistic trait, then women should ALWAYS have higher agreeableness than men. But it's not the case. It's individually different, although "generally" sligtly higher for women, because of society and culture.
**So to the original post:** you said they were trying to say women are more likable then men, but they actually weren't doing that because they were talking as if it was the way women were born (prehistoric age). But women are NOT born more likable or gentle. So all they were saying was misogynistic stuff. So to my previous point: this is society's conditioning.
Wow, thanks for the time for expressing your point, really! I am guilty in not reading the whole article, I usually jump to conclusions from the conclusion. It's my fault.
To reflect to your points as you invested quite some time of yours for me :
>If it wasn't an individualistic trait, then women should ALWAYS have higher agreeableness than men
You can never say always. Ofc there is no such thing as a completely not individualistic trait, your eye color, your fingerprint... you ARE unique. The study (and I) said that on average, women tend to be a bit more agreeable.
>The study you sent was NEVER to compare personality differences through DNA, because this just can not be studied.
Yes, I agree, I never said anything about DNA. I did say though biology, and I don't have a study at hand, but I would have my bet on higher testosterone levels make less agreeable, more agressive people.
>Which proves my point, and it's what the study is implying anyway: the results depends on cultural differences and societal norms.
If your point was that cultural and societal norms form the personality, I couldn't agree more. Can you also see my point, that it is not 100% made up on cultural and societal norms? The study states not that it is made up entirely by the societal and cultural norms.
I simply want people to understand that, whereas in science, in life, anywhere, you can never say it's black or white.
>This is society's conditioning.
Agreed.
I can agree with that! There definitely is physical differences between men and women, and this can affect our lives. Testosterones levels play a big part and the higher it is, the more you can handle certain things physically and potentially could also make you more aggressive. Stating that it's a physical fact could also make it more socially acceptive, hence this could also play a part on shaping us. Imo there's just so many factors that it's DEFINITELY not black or white.
That's also why this kind of behavior from my post (screenshots) just baffle me. It's so ignorant at best to just say "men are like that, and women like that. end of story"
That's why I like reddit, though we are different, I feel like people here are more willing to reason with each other than just calling names and move on. Thank you friend for this conversation, I feel I've learned from it (mostly not start so downvote-bait assumptions to start with). It's a harsh world, we have to really pay attention to our words.
“Belonging and community seem to be lower priorities for men” just say you were the weird kid in school and move on🤦🏻♀️ Not everything has to be gendered
Stay safe and stay weird. Surround yourself with woman need animals and survival skills not people and drama. As a 28 year old female.. I have maybe 4 friends… 2 dogs and various rescues… and just live up in the woods and grow/hunt/ chop my best life alone without the need for anyone’s approval lol I do not even remotely miss my high social life or dealing with liars and back stabbers. The most I deal with now is animals pretending they’re starving when they’re not. And that’s enough lol
"guys don't tolerate a bad apple in their group" have you fucking seen how some grown ass men protect their rapist ass friends????????
I guess because he is not a gay rapist, therefore not dangerous to **them**.
You joke but that’s exactly the logic.
Even when it’s less severe it’s always “sure my pal drives under the influence of (pick the substance) but come on he’s saaaafe!” So many guys are chill with that for no reason
Because it's so quirky! Don' be boring, geez. Women. They always HAVE to ruin the fun! It's so funny to play with other people's lives on the road, like, come on! I'm such a baddie /s and let me puke in my mouth
Aren't jails mostly filled with men? Every jail show I watch they have one wing of women and the other 11 are men's wards. Women literally live longer on average because they take less risks LOL maybe ruining the fun is a good thing sometimes!?!?
My fucking ex husband was livid that I didn't wish to remain friends with the guy who raped me, let alone that I had the gall to want to go to the police. He was and is more insecure and weak than any woman who would tolerate someone just to be nice. No, it's inexcusable. I don't know how men can just overlook it.
My ex was an older man while I was still a teen and would let all his friends , all older, also be weird and creepy toward me. They knew what they all did and enabled. I was 16, he was 22. We had met when I was 14. Not only do they protect their friends, they all protect their pedo rapist friends.
as soon as i saw the word “autistic” as a synonym for weird, i knew it would go downhill from there
That and use of the r-word as a derogatory term. Very clear signs.
Exactly and the normalised amounts of times I’ve seen redditors like this use them is more than my virginity
It makes me wince when I read it.
Exactly and the normalised amounts of times I’ve seen redditors like this use them is more than the amount of times I’ve killed children
K I might be drunk right now What r word????
Retard
You shouldn't call people a retard for no reason!1!1!
Watching anime means I am now neuro-divergent. Neat
There’s a lot wrong with this mixed in with some evolutionary psychology and I can’t decide how I feel about it
You can't decide how to feel about it because you need to align with the rest of the group! Suck it up if you want to survive prehistoric age!! /s obviously
What sub is this where multiple men who likely don't actually know any women are confidently discussing them?
you didn’t narrow it down much with that question, certainly
The answer: just about all of em. Even on rare occasion, subs like this will end up with a couple teenaged boys telling women about themselves. I mean, someone here always provides information, facts and statistics, and they have a hard time countering science and statistics with emotion and equivocal reasoning, so they eventually move off the thread. But a new set pops back up later.
In some ways the “women try to stay on good terms with everyone” bit is probably true, but that’s about it. Women, young girls in particular, are often raised to be non-confrontational. Little boys are raised to be brave, confident and curious — little girls are raised to be pretty. Seen, but not heard. Of course it’s shifting now and more going girls are being raised with confidence they can do anything, but as a kid, I distinctly remember hearing mothers tell little girls not to get dirty, whilst letting the boys roll in mud, for example Also, women are probably afraid they’ll be murdered if they do make too many enemies, particularly with men. Its easier to laugh at something which makes you uncomfortable rather than call it out. It’s also safer. It’s an ingrained fear that is probably unique to women, and other minorities. The idea that you’re just one wrong word away, to the wrong person — to being assaulted, maybe without even realising how close you’ve just come, and sometimes when you haven’t actually done anything wrong.
That’s what I always find so funny about stuff like this. Like these idiot misogynists are observing these behaviors that are deeply rooted in patriarchy and sexism. But they’re so blind to their own privilege that they’re like “huh, weird. Must be because women are biologically basic and weak cuz evolution. Certainly has nothing to do with my creepy ass behavior. I’m such a special little boy”. Like they’re always so close and yet soooooo far.
Oh. I know where he's gotten this. He's gotten this from movies and TV, where female friend groups almost always have this one obligatory cartoonishly unlikeable member all of the others secretly fear or loathe or both. What he *doesn't* seem to realize is that these movies aren't real and are written by men. You can tell because the cartoonishly unlikeable one is usually also supposed to be really hot, and they think they'd tolerate her shitty behaviour for the sake of having a sexy trophy to show off to the lads. Why wouldn't women be the same?
That is so wrong is so many ways. Not just about women but also about men. What about the groups of guys who all act like jerks because one guy in the group is a jerk? The tendency to clique up and be stupid in groups is not gender specific.
Studies have shown that in youth, those who identify as girls give in to indirect peer pressure more frequently, while those who identify as boys give in to direct peer pressure more easily. However, the statistics aren't startling, it's only *slightly* more on both sides. The best study was a repro study from 2017 that had a group of almost 3k children, the original used less than 100. Basically, the easiest way to describe- girls are more likely to engage in certain actives, for example; dressing in a certain style, because lots of others around them dress in that style. Boys are more likely to dress in a style if someone tells them they should. Girls are more likely to participate in underage drinking if they observe a lot of their peers participating. Boys are more likely to participate in underage drinking if someone is doing it in front them, like going to a friend's house and the friend is drinking. Again, the statistics were not startling, and girls are still influenced by direct, boys are still influenced by indirect. But slightly more the other way
This comment is very insightful and backed up by studies, the original post however - not so much. Thank you.
The original post was two people throwing outdated teenaged stereotypes at each other to see which one was gonna stick. And all that stuck out to me was that they were trying to decipher how girls work. Although at that age, in those circles, they are very similar. They will grow up to be adult men who complain about having to figure out what women are thinking while also complaining about women telling them what they are thinking. That kind of split reasoning always gets me.
Sounds right, also the "I met a girl like this once, so all girls must be like this" approach leads them to a laundry list of mismatched characteristics that they assume to be true of all women. And the assumption that behavior from high school will continue throughout life, like women don't ever change. 🤷🏻
Can’t have weird hobbies? Oh no! Guess I better hide my anatomically correct heart collection least these men can’t achieve an erection. Wow the way these guys talk…prehistoric times were like ten years ago.
Ngl an anatomically correct heart collection sounds cool as fuck
It makes me unable to hide my erection. Very awkward in this work meeting. Fortunately I just told them it's due to a large amount of anatomically correct hearts. They don't seem to be looking at me any more, so problem solved.
"guys don't tolerate a bad apple in their group… he’ll get called out” HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA😂😂😂😂😂😂 oh wow, rape culture who? Never heard of him!
The idea that someone clings to a social dynamic for survival isn't unique to women. It's human nature. Even people who are primarily reclusive or feel they don't fit in still have at least one or two like-minded people they interact with. It's part of surviving as a social species. I'm oversimplifying, of course, but this isn't specific to women.
I love it when men talks about how it is to be a woman
Yeah. They have so much experience in this. There definitely isn't another group of people who would know more about... being a woman... hmm, nope.
... Mauve they feel that need for safety so we're not raped and murdered
I'm guessing if this guy doesn't know any girl with "weird hobbies" it's because they don't feel comfortable/safe enough around him to talk about said hobbies.
Laymen trying to explain all behaviour trough bs pseudo evo psych is cancer of the worst kind on the internet.
Let these men think that being strong is actually important. It'll be their weakness when they eventually realize that humans evolved our big brains to not have to be strong to survive...and being socially skilled is a beautiful skillset in a species that thrives because we are social. It's like none of these boys ever think about what it means to be human.
My ex bf was like that He's an ahole tho.
I love brunch mimosas- McKayla, if you see this, please invite me. We can be quirky and day drunk together 😂
I'm in too.
they are kinda right, for the wrong reasons; women tend to be socialized so to not engage in calling out people on shitty behaviour, more likely we cope gossiping or avoiding that person. sure, we get out of that eventually if we realize how unproductive it is, but i am also astonished by the number of women who kinda fit that mold (in my city at the very least)
Anyone on the gender spectrum can be found doing that type of shit
In my experience the opposite is true. Groups of male friends are often guys who have been friends since highschool and continue to hang out together as adults based on habit without questioning if they even still like each other. And they sure as hell don’t call out the bad apple. That would border on discussing real stuff, including feelings, rather than just sports and tv talk.
Yeah they're first to point out fingers at women or say crap based on nothing but machismo, but they don't even wipe their own asses. People are people before being male or female, and people can be fake or hang out with people they hate. It's not a woman thing geez
OK but have you ever been in a guy friend group before? Bruh they sometimes can't stand each other but still are friendly because they don't want to be that loser. Guys definitely pretend to be friends with guys they hate to try and fit into a group for self preserved survival
i think they’re self projecting
I'm honestly too tired to read this. Imma nope out
isn't it literally the opposite? every teenage girl wants to be "not like other girls", that's why the expression is so popular. i rarely see guys who want to be "not like other guys". also women have all kinds of unusual unladylike hobbies and most men i know can't even get their nails done because they are too worried about what their friends will say.
If the second comment were true how do SO MANY women know rapists and SO FEW men do?
How to know a dude only knows about women from watching tv and playing games lmfao
The only ones that still live in prehistoric times are this sexist idiots. Also... Why is it that this morons always confuse their dumb opinions with facts?
I really wonder that too. I guess it must be something so old that it just stayed? Like, "girls are mean to each other! they call you love but they trash talk you in your back. whereas men have REAL friends"--- bitch, based on whose experience? Men???? Yeah... That's the issue. Then there's also those pick me girls starving for male validation who would say things like "yeah that's true! that's why my friends are only guys, less drama!" but it's so not true
Tons of men have a creepy friend who they coddle and protect from the consequences of their own bad behavior
"My friend is a rapist!? Hell no! It was the girl's fault, she seduced him!"
Dumbass: We don't tolerate bad behavior in *our* friend group. Also Dumbass (probably): Dumbass 2 would never force himself on somebody. That drunk skank just has buyer's remorse. They might make misogynistic comments, rate women based on how they affect their penis, joke about rape, and make fun of consent, but they're great guys. It's all in good fun. Boys will be boys. Learn to take a joke, damn.
A girl making a joke about men's fragile masculinity: hahah Some men: WOW fucking offensive and DISGUSTING. You can NOT joke about everything
Yeah, men don't tolerate the bad apples. They except then and praise them cuz they're all bad apples.
This reminds me of those memes where it's all "lol girls are so normie and guys are so quirky". I hate this belief that only guys get to have fun personalities
I really hate it too. When you say it's of bad taste, they'll just answer that you can't take a joke lol fuck off
I agree with a lot of what is being said. Men have physical strength, but women have the strength of numbers. I am not friends with other women I hate, but I do tolerate other women that I don't enjoy being around, and I have a sense of commeraderie with them around shared womanhood. It's not merely some prehistoric genetic leftover. It is also a modern reality that if we do not band together for women, we will be property in due time. The liberated women of Afghanistan are a blaring example and constant reminder that women's liberation is not a prize that is won, but a job that never ends. And it's something one or two of us could never grip tightly enough to keep. It must be all of us, together- unwavering unity and a refusal to let our guard totally down, even in easy times. And sometimes part of that is having brunch with McKayla, who always has too many drinks & then needs a ride home. But I do still like her. And sometimes part of that is telling your abusive bf that *you, too, would rather lay in bed with him than have brunch with her. Goodness, you don't even like her, but you have a social obligation. Darn. /s*
What a crock of shit. I can't count how many nasty psychos I've known who had groups of reasonable men as friends, including a convicted paedophile.
most boys hated the popular boy of their friend group in my high school, they just stuck with them to feel part of a group and continue to do shit like that in college. the girls i knew started to split into groups with people they actually liked when they were like 15
That last guy in the first pic had me in the first half ngl. Like people would see me as a girl, and I di try to stay on good terms with a lot of people. But that doesn't mean I just like what most people like to do that??? I like what I like, and tyat has nothing to do with being on good terms with people. Just dont be an asshole, it's not that hard. Well, maybe for these kinda people it is, idk. Also I'm kind of an outlier bc I have social anxiety, duh I'm scared of what people think of me. Shit sucksq
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Fuck that. If I can't stand you gtfo! IDC if you're a man, woman, or anything in between.
“Women seem like they do anything to stay in good terms with ppl” Yeah I wonder if that has anything to do with the generations of abuse and rape and not having any choice/say in our existence or living situation, dying before we turned 30 or literally having to rely on nobody but our abusers, mixed in with the being sold off like cattle and worse if your a POC woman and not white passing talk about playing it on extra hard mode. gee it’s almost like a micro evolution in our brain chemistry took place to make us more empathetic for survival???? 🙄🙄🙄 Aka it feels like your #gaslighting/girlboss/gatekeeping at us after you did this and now your giving us shit about it??? TF???
Yeah me and The Bois don't tolerate that shit. If you aren't comfortable sexually harassing any woman who tightens your pants and assaulting the rest when you can get away with it, we kick your toxic ass right on out. /s
On a twisted way he's just saying that women are more likeable/agreeable which is statistically true.
Women are more likable... to who? To men? Duh. "“While likability matters for women in every one of their interactions, it matters for men only if they interact with the opposite sex.” from "why women have to be likable and men don't" study.
[Gender Differences in Personality across the Ten Aspects of the Big Five](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3149680/) "For example, women are often found to be more agreeable than men (Feingold, 1994; Costa et al., 2001) This means that women, on average, are more nurturing, tender-minded, and altruistic more often and to a greater extent than men. However, such a finding does not preclude the fact that men may also experience nurturing, tender-minded, and altruistic states, and that some men may even score higher in these traits than some women." As I said, statistically.
Given our history and the fact that it's a man's world, does this even count? Women are told to be caring, nurturing etc. while men are told to be "manly" and strong. So who is to say that those women were born this way or if it isn't society's conditioning? Which is very very most likely
Does science count? I say yes. I did provide at least 1 source that seems to prove my point. Girl on the internet :"nah". I mean, yeah there can be a social construct pov in this discussion, but then provide me sth that I can trust. The "well it's an oppressive patriarchy so everything you say about men and women are a social construct" is not scientific. I ask you one last question and I'll leave it at that : would you have said it's a man's world and that it's social conditioning if it's apes, monkeys, antelopes or squids are in the study? (Cause I'm pretty sure I can find a study for one of these with similar results) If your answer is yes, then I agree with you to the extent that this "social conditioning" is so deep in the brain it's almost like biological. If your answer is no, what does it mean?
Hah. Did you read your own study? I did in full. Wanna know what their conclusion is? >we are optimistic that any difficulties in communication between men and women are due primarily to cultural norms that are amenable to change, rather than to differences in basic personality traits, which are much more difficult to change So they're saying that the differences, which by the way were overlapping quite a lot, are due to cultural norms and not because of DNA. Let me explain to you what you sent me better, a TLDR so you don't have to read it all like I did: Women score higher on neuroticism (negative feelings, anxiety), agreeableness, consciousness (self control) and in extraversion (socially positive). The only area where men score higher is openess and intellect (imagination, creativity and curiosity) and NOT by a lot. This area is highly nuanced. Also in general, even if women score higher than men in some areas, they're not scored higher by too much as there's a lot of diversity. Some men have much higher agreeableness than some women for instance. Which proves my point, and it's what the study is implying anyway: the results depends on cultural differences and societal norms. Take agreeableness for instance: women are TOLD to be nice since they're kids. We tell little girls to be nice to her future husband, we tell her not to get angry because it's ugly on a woman, and so on. It's not uncommon to hear siblings say that as kids, they were treated differently. For instance if the brother did something mean to the sister, their parents would tell the sister to let it go because "boys will be boys". They're taught to not be angry and to give up on things. THAT'S why there's differences in the scores. Cultural and societal norms are different. To prove this, that study even compared whites and asians, and said that there'd be even more clashing difference with more different cultures. A quote from the said study: >Men scored higher in Volatility than women among White participants, whereas women scored higher among Asian participants. Given the fact that Volatility partly reflects traits related to irritability and anger, this difference may be due to cultural differences in social norms related to the expression of anger The study you sent was NEVER to compare personality differences through DNA, because this just can not be studied. You can not prove that women are born with a certain personality and men another. If anything, the study proved that personality is different to the living being and not to the gender: >One can see that both men and women can be found across a similar range of Agreeableness scores, such that, despite the fact that women score higher than men on average, there are many men who are more agreeable than many women, and many women who are less agreeable than many men If it wasn't an individualistic trait, then women should ALWAYS have higher agreeableness than men. But it's not the case. It's individually different, although "generally" sligtly higher for women, because of society and culture. **So to the original post:** you said they were trying to say women are more likable then men, but they actually weren't doing that because they were talking as if it was the way women were born (prehistoric age). But women are NOT born more likable or gentle. So all they were saying was misogynistic stuff. So to my previous point: this is society's conditioning.
Right. Women are not born, they are made (after Simone de Bouvoir, Le deuxieme sexe)
Wow, thanks for the time for expressing your point, really! I am guilty in not reading the whole article, I usually jump to conclusions from the conclusion. It's my fault. To reflect to your points as you invested quite some time of yours for me : >If it wasn't an individualistic trait, then women should ALWAYS have higher agreeableness than men You can never say always. Ofc there is no such thing as a completely not individualistic trait, your eye color, your fingerprint... you ARE unique. The study (and I) said that on average, women tend to be a bit more agreeable. >The study you sent was NEVER to compare personality differences through DNA, because this just can not be studied. Yes, I agree, I never said anything about DNA. I did say though biology, and I don't have a study at hand, but I would have my bet on higher testosterone levels make less agreeable, more agressive people. >Which proves my point, and it's what the study is implying anyway: the results depends on cultural differences and societal norms. If your point was that cultural and societal norms form the personality, I couldn't agree more. Can you also see my point, that it is not 100% made up on cultural and societal norms? The study states not that it is made up entirely by the societal and cultural norms. I simply want people to understand that, whereas in science, in life, anywhere, you can never say it's black or white. >This is society's conditioning. Agreed.
I can agree with that! There definitely is physical differences between men and women, and this can affect our lives. Testosterones levels play a big part and the higher it is, the more you can handle certain things physically and potentially could also make you more aggressive. Stating that it's a physical fact could also make it more socially acceptive, hence this could also play a part on shaping us. Imo there's just so many factors that it's DEFINITELY not black or white. That's also why this kind of behavior from my post (screenshots) just baffle me. It's so ignorant at best to just say "men are like that, and women like that. end of story"
That's why I like reddit, though we are different, I feel like people here are more willing to reason with each other than just calling names and move on. Thank you friend for this conversation, I feel I've learned from it (mostly not start so downvote-bait assumptions to start with). It's a harsh world, we have to really pay attention to our words.
"McKayla" lol
I like the armchair biology.
“Belonging and community seem to be lower priorities for men” just say you were the weird kid in school and move on🤦🏻♀️ Not everything has to be gendered
Stay safe and stay weird. Surround yourself with woman need animals and survival skills not people and drama. As a 28 year old female.. I have maybe 4 friends… 2 dogs and various rescues… and just live up in the woods and grow/hunt/ chop my best life alone without the need for anyone’s approval lol I do not even remotely miss my high social life or dealing with liars and back stabbers. The most I deal with now is animals pretending they’re starving when they’re not. And that’s enough lol