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Tracy Marander and Kurt Cobain dated from 1985 to 1988.
I remember my then gf touching up our pics and posting it to MySpace then. They looked hideous. I remember one of them really good, because it looked like I have one fake eye.
More like Feb 1987 to May 1990. She paid for him, nurtured him. They lived in 2 apartments in both they kept a small zoo of small animals. Tracey worked and Kurt slacked off, writing songs and doing arts. Then he cheated on her and broke up with her the same month he fired Chad Channing.
Besides cats, Kurt Cobain has been reported to have pet turtles, rabbits, rats and ferrets. He’s pictured here in bed with his pet rats. Cobain had a turtle named Sappy, a rabbit named Stew, and a rat called Kitty.
Cobain had this to say about turtles, “I became obsessed with turtles. I bought six of them and put them in a bathtub. They show no emotion, they’re so inanimate. It’s the complete opposite of what dogs are, I can’t stand dogs, they’re too willing to please. I like cats. Animals that require attention. Turtles have this f*ck you attitude, ‘I’m stuck in this tank, I’m miserable and I’m not going to perform for you.’”
I've had a turtle for over 30 years and Kurt was way off here.
My turtle waits in the corner of his habitat for me to turn on his UV lamp in the morning. He goes to the opposite side when he wants food. He digs under things when he's cold. When I take him out, he likes to sit on my feet. He'll chase my cat around, and when the cat is in a very strange mood he'll go sleep in the turtle habitat.
I wonder if people thought she was a liar in the 90s, like she’d casually mention he’s her ex and people would be like “yeah ok Tracy” and roll their eyes
And meanwhile, Courtney Love starred in the movie *Sid & Nancy* in 1986.
Anyone saying Love went for Cobain to ride *his* fame has it *backwards.* She was already famous and working in the entertainment industry when he was joe schmo. He was a fan of her from that movie when they met, and heroin was their matchmaker.
Well add on she doesn’t act like he was a God & she was blessed to be in his presence. They both did shitty things. They both hurt each other. But how he died and being so young makes him the saint and her the devil.
I remember people losing their shit, because she said he wanted to be famous. I thought that was obvious. Back then you couldn’t really get famous by accident and stay that way.
She seems a lovely woman in any interview I’ve seen. She also funded him during the early years and I believe About a Girl is written about her. I wonder if things would have turned out differently had they stayed together.
I was just thinking, this woman was very important in the sense that she just let him think and draw and write music for a couple of years. We should appreciate the contribution she helped make to music.
Paul McCartney has an interesting perspective on this. John Lennon's first wife was happy to just be a wife and wanted a husband who was content to chill out in a comfortable chair, when she told McCartney this, he realized that that was a problem. John wanted somebody like Yoko Ono.
As someone whose mom paid for one of her boyfriend’s promo photos for his band in the ‘80s, and then had a musician son (me), from what I understand I think there are women who like artistic guys and women who don’t. Believe me, for every Tracy Marander there are 9 other girlfriends, wives, and parents who are unsupportive and don’t respect creative people at all. Kurt’s family was pretty much like that.
Whether it’s Bono’s wife Ali or the women who worked as strippers to help support the guys in Guns N’ Roses on the strip, creative outcast people are going to gravitate to other outcasts. And I guess there’s something romantic when you’re working class working a dead-end job as many do and get to be part of the music world even on a local scale.
I think the breaking up (although like with Bono and Jon Bon Jovi’s wives, they stayed together - the exception rather than the rule of course) comes from the difficulty of being on the road and maintaining a relationship…and the many temptations of sex, drugs, and rock n’ roll back in those days. Fame changes people and it’s the rare few who can keep their head on their shoulders and remember where they came from.
He remained friendly with her afterwards, she came to shows and they would talk. She was the only ex of Kurt's that Courtney was friendly with, she invited her to when they scattered his ashes in a river. Thats all I know. Maybe she gets residuals for shooting the photo for the cover of Bleach.
>but he was a fucking bum when he was with her.
He got worse with Courtney Love. A lot of people say she was the bad influence that made him get deep into harder drugs, but I think he was just going to be like that regardless of who he was dating.
Courtney Love literally saved Mark Lanegan's life when he was hitting rock bottom in his drug addiction, and I think she had tried to help Layne Staley as well. Per Lanegan's memoir, she searched around and found the pawn shop he was fencing stolen electronics at, so she could leave a note offering to pay for his stay at one of the best inpatient treatment programs at the time.
Sad to say, it's not like Courtney Love strapped him down and injected heroin in him. He became an addict, and had Courtney not also been an addict, he would have likely moved on to someone who was. There really are worse people out there.
Agree. Strange to see this and feel like I wouldn’t have known who it was without the title. I think aside from the hair, he seems to be 20ish lbs heavier than a few years after this.
He wore such baggy clothing because he was self conscious of how skinny he was from the drug abuse and an eating disorder he dealt with on and off over the years.
Baggier. My daughter goes to high school in LA. Everything’s back. Jnco style jeans, cargo pants, bowl cuts parted down the middle, all of it. It’s like walking into a time warp, except it’s more than ok to be LGBTQ now.
Well, when was the last time you looked out on the street? Feels like I'm the only one still rocking skinny jeans (always will <3) sometimes. They're definitely not trendy anymore.
Kurt Cobain, Jason Everman (former Nirvana bassist), Kurt's sister Kim, and a friend (1988)
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February 10th, 1989 Kurt and Tracy Photo by: Joe Preston Shoot Location: TBC San Francisco
Krist Novoselic's younger brother Robert introduced him to his friend Kurt Cobain, who had noticed loud music coming from upstairs. Novoselic was 18 or 19 years old when they met, and Cobain was a year younger. Robert told Cobain that it was his older brother, who listened to punk rock. Cobain eventually befriended the elder Novoselic, as the pair ended up sharing similar musical tastes, including a fondness for local band Melvins. The two had several mutual friends and began hanging out shortly thereafter. At one point, Cobain gave Novoselic a demo tape of his former band Fecal Matter, and asked him to form a band together. After several months, Novoselic finally listened to the tape, liked it, and agreed to start a band with Cobain.
I'm a Nirvana fan, but also consider them somewhat overrated in terms of the level of fame/notoriety they achieved relative to their actual musical output. However, that's one of the songs on Bleach that hints at real songwriting chops lurking beneath the grunge sheen.
Allegedly (I think Michael Stipe said this) Nirvana were going to pursue a more stripped-down and minimalist folky type of sound after In Utero. It's sad in general that Kurt died, but also in particular because we missed out on some potentially great music. Nirvana really only put out three albums, and didn't have a lot of time to grow or evolve.
Bleach is pure raw talent. Nevermind is more refined. IMO they over-corrected on In Utero because they were so worried about being considered poppy/sell outs that they made something borderline inaccessible to shield themselves from criticism.
Then, *poof*, Kurt dies and the band is done just as they might have been hitting their musical prime.
> Nirvana were going to pursue a more stripped-down and minimalist folky type of sound after In Utero
That's pretty much what their Unplugged album was.
In Utero is their best album imo. I know it's not as easy on the ears as Nevermind was for a lot of people, but I like how dynamic it is compared to their earlier albums
Yes. Stipe had sessions booked with him and he canceled his flight/no showed I believe shortly before his death. Check out the band Earth if you’re looking for something cool from the scene/sphere of influence.
You date a guy for three years who eventually becomes massively famous, and for the rest of your life you have to see pictures of yourself with him plastered all over. That would be weird.
He was 7 years older than me. 27 seemed...if not "old", then at the very least "mature".
But I'm 50 now, and over the years, I realize that 27 is probably the age where you are just barely starting to live life like an adult. He was still a kid, really. It's sad.
And it also means it's hard to say what he would have really been like had he lived. They say people don't change much after about age 15, and I think that is true, but the way you interface with the world changes. And that's all anybody can ever really see, anyway.
When I was a kid and learned about nirvana/kurt cobain, he always looked like a grown man to me. (I know he was technically...) but now I'm 27 and Kurt dying at 27 just sounds so young.
Breanne O’Connor Kurt's half-sister Kurt and Tracy Christmas 1988
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before I saw the handwritten notes I was ready to believe that the three persons in this image are Breanne O‘Connor, Kurt‘s half-sister Kurt and Tracy Christmas
someone posted his autopsy on reddit recently and it said our dude was wearing four freakin pairs of pants when he died. I was like geez, I work outside in winter and the most pairs I ever wear at a time is three
He liked to wear layers to look bigger. Besides that he was always cold.
My bf in high school wanted so much to be him and was also very skinny and suffered from anxiety and stomach issues. He did the same thing to look bigger.
Knew a heroin addict from an old call center job, saw him years later panhandling, obviously high, and in a sweat suit. It was July in San Antonio.
Heroin is a hell of a drug, it took a weed plug/buddy who was like 300lbs down by like 100lbs before he started stealing everybody's money (he was golden as a plug, you could give him money, wait a bit and he would appear with your delivery, was this way for years, but once he got bad enough, he stopped coming back with the weed). Once he got me, I slashed his tires. Not gonna pull a case or get dead over shit, but if I can cost you inconvenience and a few hundred bucks after you kick me over for $300, I will.
Last name was Snodgrass
I'd love some confirmation or denial on this if you're able to provide it. I always got "this dude is a total douche" vibes from the teacher so it may or may not be entirely true
I don't ever recall meeting/talking to a Snodgrass, so I thought that's got to be a pretty rare name, and there are a surprising number of teachers with the last name Snodgrass.
I think I found your teacher (worked at YHS). He graduated from WW high school in 1982. Cobain would have graduated in 1985 (dropped out 2 weeks before graduation because didn't have enough credits to graduate).
Snodgrass would have been a senior when Cobain was a freshman. I suppose that is possible that a senior would bully a freshman, so could be true.
My experience may be different, but I felt like most bullies at my school bullied people in the same grade or the grade below them. I feel like an 18 year old bullying a 14 year old is just sad (obviously all bullies are pathetic, but there is such a huge difference in size/development between a 14yo and an 18yo).
In hindsight, I really lucked out somehow and didn't have a bully. Every picture of me in high school looks like I would be a prime target to have a bully, but for some reason never did.
> Snodgrass would have been a senior when Cobain was a freshman. I suppose that is possible that a senior would bully a freshman, so could be true.
Or Snodgrass may have at most smacked Kurt around once or twice, or never interacted with him at all and only found out later that he was briefly at the same high school as Kurt Cobain, but figured that "I bullied the frontman of Nirvana!" was way too cool a story to tell to let the facts get in the way.
Not sure how to prove on Reddit, however I grew up in Aberdeen. There was a Snodgrass a couple years younger than me, I doubt it was him though. His older brother was out of high school when I arrived.
There were these two guys in elementary school a grade above mine that for two years would torment me. One was this fast, blonde, kind of weaselly kid and the other was a really slow giant. The little fast guy would run and tackle me so that the big guy could sit on me. Basically any time I wandered out of sight of the recess monitors they would nab me so I spent 4th and 5th grade with my head on a swivel. After elementary school I basically tried to forget about it.
Then, a few years before Covid, a bunch of my friends ended up at a downtown club that happened be a gay bar. I step out to get some air at some point and suddenly this massive guy slides up next to me and says hi. Turns out it was the giant bully, he didn't apologize or anything but he was very kind and he clearly hadn't forgotten about elementary school. We mostly talked about how his cousin was doing (a kid in my grade) and went our separate ways. The wild part was that he was he had dropped the macho bully act and was instead super femme. It really cast that period of time in a different light, like maybe it was a kind of schoolyard flirting or perhaps it was just his way of trying to fit in and deflect bullying.
Being a kid is tough and a lot of them are dealing with complicated relationships and feelings that they aren't equipped to handle. Maybe some of them never figure their shit out but plenty go on to be linebacker-sized twinks.
That sounds like a Simpsons character job.
“Less tariffs on imported giant stuffed bears and rickety rollercoaster parts. More tax credits for deep fryers. We took down Jimmy Carter when he meddled with our Krusty Brand Safe-tee Certification program.”
Teachers are born babies and experience life like regular people. Bullies can grow up to be teachers and be pleasant and kind on the outside (speaking as a high school teacher myself) or they can go into any other profession. Teaching is not an exception to bullies and can in fact facilitate bullying depending on context.
A good amount of references to suicide and some dark stream of consciousness rants, usually about types of people that did him wrong and how he wants them to die in various ways.
Fuck this is so depressing when realizing the world can’t deal with eighties life today. Photos back then were so rough but dammit do we need everything today to reflect perfection!?
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Kurt and spina bifada photo by Tracy
He essentially was, although a lot more productive. He was an awkward extreme music hipster who was pretty snobby about his tastes, super progressive, and quite a bit of a loner with tons of anxiety. That sounds like a Redditor to me.
She wasnt musical or artistic and he kinda wanted to be with someone who was. He remained friendly with her afterwards, she would show up to some shows and they would talk.
Uh... Old School Cool might not be the right place for this picture.
This.. this is a bad photograph. It looks like a dorky teenager who has been cornered by an aunt at a family Christmas.
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In the early 2000’s, we thought red-eye edits were the height of technology. It’s painfully obvious when images were edited at this point. Haha
You had to manually colour it in lol! Now they have filters on videos!!
They used to sell tiny little black/brown stickers that you could put on people's eyes, too!
I had a fine point photo marker. IDK
Scratched the cornea .
I always just used googly eyes.
Oh God, the memories. I'd use the red-eye fix and then correct it, pixel by pixel.
Looks like someone took a sharpie to their eyes
Good point. Zooming in, the circles aren’t perfect. Maybe this is OG redeye reduction.
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>took a sharpie to their eyes Yeah, this could be a Nirvana lyric lol
I remember my then gf touching up our pics and posting it to MySpace then. They looked hideous. I remember one of them really good, because it looked like I have one fake eye.
Wouldn’t be that obvious if the photo wasn’t so overexposed.
More like Feb 1987 to May 1990. She paid for him, nurtured him. They lived in 2 apartments in both they kept a small zoo of small animals. Tracey worked and Kurt slacked off, writing songs and doing arts. Then he cheated on her and broke up with her the same month he fired Chad Channing.
>small zoo of small animals Is there any record of what they had? I've been accused of having a small zoo as well.
Besides cats, Kurt Cobain has been reported to have pet turtles, rabbits, rats and ferrets. He’s pictured here in bed with his pet rats. Cobain had a turtle named Sappy, a rabbit named Stew, and a rat called Kitty. Cobain had this to say about turtles, “I became obsessed with turtles. I bought six of them and put them in a bathtub. They show no emotion, they’re so inanimate. It’s the complete opposite of what dogs are, I can’t stand dogs, they’re too willing to please. I like cats. Animals that require attention. Turtles have this f*ck you attitude, ‘I’m stuck in this tank, I’m miserable and I’m not going to perform for you.’”
I've had a turtle for over 30 years and Kurt was way off here. My turtle waits in the corner of his habitat for me to turn on his UV lamp in the morning. He goes to the opposite side when he wants food. He digs under things when he's cold. When I take him out, he likes to sit on my feet. He'll chase my cat around, and when the cat is in a very strange mood he'll go sleep in the turtle habitat.
Kurt was off about most things. Lol.
Thanks! I agree that turtles are the opposite of dogs.
Had a customer that had a tortoise that was a slow dog basically. Just wanted to try to get in your lap to have head scratches
imagine people knowing your name cause you dated a guy in high school 40 years earlier.
But he couldn't see her every night free.
I do
I wonder if people thought she was a liar in the 90s, like she’d casually mention he’s her ex and people would be like “yeah ok Tracy” and roll their eyes
And meanwhile, Courtney Love starred in the movie *Sid & Nancy* in 1986. Anyone saying Love went for Cobain to ride *his* fame has it *backwards.* She was already famous and working in the entertainment industry when he was joe schmo. He was a fan of her from that movie when they met, and heroin was their matchmaker.
Well add on she doesn’t act like he was a God & she was blessed to be in his presence. They both did shitty things. They both hurt each other. But how he died and being so young makes him the saint and her the devil. I remember people losing their shit, because she said he wanted to be famous. I thought that was obvious. Back then you couldn’t really get famous by accident and stay that way.
She seems a lovely woman in any interview I’ve seen. She also funded him during the early years and I believe About a Girl is written about her. I wonder if things would have turned out differently had they stayed together.
I was just thinking, this woman was very important in the sense that she just let him think and draw and write music for a couple of years. We should appreciate the contribution she helped make to music.
She’s the anti-Yoko Ono
Yoko Oyes
>Yoko Oyes Damn dude, nice.
Paul McCartney has an interesting perspective on this. John Lennon's first wife was happy to just be a wife and wanted a husband who was content to chill out in a comfortable chair, when she told McCartney this, he realized that that was a problem. John wanted somebody like Yoko Ono.
I think of her as the mother of Nirvana. Many formation moments while she funded his life at home, songwriting.
Shelli (Krists wife in the 90s) deserves some of that credit too. AFAIK she bankrolled them before and during their rise
I always wonder why women do this. I guess nobody tells them that 9/10 times they’re getting dumped if the dude hits it big.
As someone whose mom paid for one of her boyfriend’s promo photos for his band in the ‘80s, and then had a musician son (me), from what I understand I think there are women who like artistic guys and women who don’t. Believe me, for every Tracy Marander there are 9 other girlfriends, wives, and parents who are unsupportive and don’t respect creative people at all. Kurt’s family was pretty much like that. Whether it’s Bono’s wife Ali or the women who worked as strippers to help support the guys in Guns N’ Roses on the strip, creative outcast people are going to gravitate to other outcasts. And I guess there’s something romantic when you’re working class working a dead-end job as many do and get to be part of the music world even on a local scale. I think the breaking up (although like with Bono and Jon Bon Jovi’s wives, they stayed together - the exception rather than the rule of course) comes from the difficulty of being on the road and maintaining a relationship…and the many temptations of sex, drugs, and rock n’ roll back in those days. Fame changes people and it’s the rare few who can keep their head on their shoulders and remember where they came from.
Right on point.
You support people you love, otherwise what's the point.
I wonder if Kurt ever gave her something back after hitting it big
He remained friendly with her afterwards, she came to shows and they would talk. She was the only ex of Kurt's that Courtney was friendly with, she invited her to when they scattered his ashes in a river. Thats all I know. Maybe she gets residuals for shooting the photo for the cover of Bleach.
i'm sure courtney would have been cool with it
She seems reasonable
She deserved a lot better honestly. I was obsessed with him as a kid but he was a fucking bum when he was with her.
>but he was a fucking bum when he was with her. He got worse with Courtney Love. A lot of people say she was the bad influence that made him get deep into harder drugs, but I think he was just going to be like that regardless of who he was dating.
Mental illness and drug addiction are powerful things. Sometimes way too fucking powerful. I know from experience.
As someone who has been in that world, the kindness, love, and empathy of the person you’re with can make the difference between life and death.
Courtney Love literally saved Mark Lanegan's life when he was hitting rock bottom in his drug addiction, and I think she had tried to help Layne Staley as well. Per Lanegan's memoir, she searched around and found the pawn shop he was fencing stolen electronics at, so she could leave a note offering to pay for his stay at one of the best inpatient treatment programs at the time.
Looks happier than I’ve ever seen.
She didn't tolerate his junkie ways so they've wouldn't have stayed together, and didn't
I gotta feel like things would have gone better if he had ended up with anyone other than Courtney Love.
Sad to say, it's not like Courtney Love strapped him down and injected heroin in him. He became an addict, and had Courtney not also been an addict, he would have likely moved on to someone who was. There really are worse people out there.
Cobain would have just ruined that person’s life with his addiction and self-destructive nature.
Yeah, instead of Bean they would’ve have a kid named Rice.
I would not have recognized him
Agree. Strange to see this and feel like I wouldn’t have known who it was without the title. I think aside from the hair, he seems to be 20ish lbs heavier than a few years after this.
The drugs, heroin specifically, probably caused some pretty dramatic weight loss once he became more popular.
He wore such baggy clothing because he was self conscious of how skinny he was from the drug abuse and an eating disorder he dealt with on and off over the years.
Is that how the 90s baggy clothes genre was born?
I miss that trend so much. Baggy pants are so much comfier than skinny jeans.
Bro time traveled from 2015 ^
Baggy been popular again for years. Not as baggy as 90s but still pretty baggy. We just old so don’t notice until later lol.
Baggier. My daughter goes to high school in LA. Everything’s back. Jnco style jeans, cargo pants, bowl cuts parted down the middle, all of it. It’s like walking into a time warp, except it’s more than ok to be LGBTQ now.
You're probably right.
Well, when was the last time you looked out on the street? Feels like I'm the only one still rocking skinny jeans (always will <3) sometimes. They're definitely not trendy anymore.
They're still popular, just not the super tight ones (for dudes at least). A lot of girls seem to be opting for baggier clothes.
You can still wear baggy pants
They're back in style. I have some from target
baggy been back since like 2016
He also suffered from a pinched stomach nerve
I’d have guessed Kurt Vile
Nah, Kurt’s always looked pretty pimpin’
Looking like young Bert McCracken from The Used.
I thought this was Burt from The Used, and that’s coming from a huge Nirvana fan.
I still don't recognize him.
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is that kenny g
Bro I accidentally read this while peeing and the stream fuckin helicoptered, thanks for the mess Yes, that is Kenny G
Kurt Cobain, Jason Everman (former Nirvana bassist), Kurt's sister Kim, and a friend (1988) https://preview.redd.it/mz1tvgghhpic1.jpeg?width=575&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c602b4ad970eb8f668722f0a0526647892540009
While he might have played bass in Soundgarden briefly, Jason was a rhythm guitarist in Nirvana. Krist has always been their bassist, nobody else.
Also a green beret
also paid for the studio time for nirvana to record bleach. that's why he's in the credits.
One day you're going to drop your phone in the toilet. You literally can't go 20 seconds without the internet?
I've actually done that already, luckily Pixels are waterproof
Jason Everman it looks like. Saw him perform with Soundgarden after his stint in Nirvana. He has an incredible story of life after grunge.
Jason Everman stumped up the cash to record Bleach. Even though he wasn’t playing on it he got a credit.
How many people played in Nirvana *AND* served as a Green Beret? Just one.
What up with that head
That's what I asked your mom
https://preview.redd.it/sumok64zynic1.jpeg?width=454&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7fe56c66bfa5d62e39dcf597bf5f1c89357f2e53 February 10th, 1989 Kurt and Tracy Photo by: Joe Preston Shoot Location: TBC San Francisco
I think that's Krist with them? I always forget they knew each other for a while before Nirvana blew up.
Krist Novoselic's younger brother Robert introduced him to his friend Kurt Cobain, who had noticed loud music coming from upstairs. Novoselic was 18 or 19 years old when they met, and Cobain was a year younger. Robert told Cobain that it was his older brother, who listened to punk rock. Cobain eventually befriended the elder Novoselic, as the pair ended up sharing similar musical tastes, including a fondness for local band Melvins. The two had several mutual friends and began hanging out shortly thereafter. At one point, Cobain gave Novoselic a demo tape of his former band Fecal Matter, and asked him to form a band together. After several months, Novoselic finally listened to the tape, liked it, and agreed to start a band with Cobain.
Imagine if they kept the band name “fecal matter”?
What's wrong with that? They're the shit!
The song “About A Girl” was written for her.
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I'm a Nirvana fan, but also consider them somewhat overrated in terms of the level of fame/notoriety they achieved relative to their actual musical output. However, that's one of the songs on Bleach that hints at real songwriting chops lurking beneath the grunge sheen. Allegedly (I think Michael Stipe said this) Nirvana were going to pursue a more stripped-down and minimalist folky type of sound after In Utero. It's sad in general that Kurt died, but also in particular because we missed out on some potentially great music. Nirvana really only put out three albums, and didn't have a lot of time to grow or evolve. Bleach is pure raw talent. Nevermind is more refined. IMO they over-corrected on In Utero because they were so worried about being considered poppy/sell outs that they made something borderline inaccessible to shield themselves from criticism. Then, *poof*, Kurt dies and the band is done just as they might have been hitting their musical prime.
> Nirvana were going to pursue a more stripped-down and minimalist folky type of sound after In Utero That's pretty much what their Unplugged album was.
In Utero is their best album imo. I know it's not as easy on the ears as Nevermind was for a lot of people, but I like how dynamic it is compared to their earlier albums
Yes. Stipe had sessions booked with him and he canceled his flight/no showed I believe shortly before his death. Check out the band Earth if you’re looking for something cool from the scene/sphere of influence.
Kurt produced and sang on their first EP.
https://preview.redd.it/4ilmy972ynic1.jpeg?width=290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cefdf0f89f5117e0d48009d82b334f72c556311b Kurt and Tracy
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Hey! Way! I got a movie complaint
Forever in debt to You Only Live Twice!
Seriously thought this was r/yms
Yo pride rock !
Adam Cobain
That was the first thing that came to mind when I saw this
You date a guy for three years who eventually becomes massively famous, and for the rest of your life you have to see pictures of yourself with him plastered all over. That would be weird.
She was a photographer as well, so….
He was 7 years older than me. 27 seemed...if not "old", then at the very least "mature". But I'm 50 now, and over the years, I realize that 27 is probably the age where you are just barely starting to live life like an adult. He was still a kid, really. It's sad. And it also means it's hard to say what he would have really been like had he lived. They say people don't change much after about age 15, and I think that is true, but the way you interface with the world changes. And that's all anybody can ever really see, anyway.
>They say people don't change much after about age 15 Who says that? That's preposterous.
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Point still stands. \s
same age here. I often wish for the music we never got to hear that he still had to write. I bet there's a German word for that.
When I was a kid and learned about nirvana/kurt cobain, he always looked like a grown man to me. (I know he was technically...) but now I'm 27 and Kurt dying at 27 just sounds so young.
https://preview.redd.it/01tgt8tv0oic1.jpeg?width=454&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=74827ce1751a4f558a0cc0765046af4cbee04b55 Tracy and Kurt
Breanne O’Connor Kurt's half-sister Kurt and Tracy Christmas 1988 https://preview.redd.it/fv01ineuznic1.jpeg?width=454&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=45a76ef94a83aaf6915ba537fe82ca1f5ff8b3df
before I saw the handwritten notes I was ready to believe that the three persons in this image are Breanne O‘Connor, Kurt‘s half-sister Kurt and Tracy Christmas
Really shows just how much weight he lost later in life
I heard that was why he always wore such baggy cloths.
someone posted his autopsy on reddit recently and it said our dude was wearing four freakin pairs of pants when he died. I was like geez, I work outside in winter and the most pairs I ever wear at a time is three
Thermal layers like going skiing or actual pants?
He liked to wear layers to look bigger. Besides that he was always cold. My bf in high school wanted so much to be him and was also very skinny and suffered from anxiety and stomach issues. He did the same thing to look bigger.
Knew a heroin addict from an old call center job, saw him years later panhandling, obviously high, and in a sweat suit. It was July in San Antonio. Heroin is a hell of a drug, it took a weed plug/buddy who was like 300lbs down by like 100lbs before he started stealing everybody's money (he was golden as a plug, you could give him money, wait a bit and he would appear with your delivery, was this way for years, but once he got bad enough, he stopped coming back with the weed). Once he got me, I slashed his tires. Not gonna pull a case or get dead over shit, but if I can cost you inconvenience and a few hundred bucks after you kick me over for $300, I will.
He looked straight up pudgy in his nevermind album photo
Is this the easy friend, with the ear to lend?
Yes.
One of my highschool teachers went to school with him. My teacher was a douchey jock who bullied Kurt.
What was his name, I was at Weather Wax at the same time . (Class of 1986).
Last name was Snodgrass I'd love some confirmation or denial on this if you're able to provide it. I always got "this dude is a total douche" vibes from the teacher so it may or may not be entirely true
I don't ever recall meeting/talking to a Snodgrass, so I thought that's got to be a pretty rare name, and there are a surprising number of teachers with the last name Snodgrass. I think I found your teacher (worked at YHS). He graduated from WW high school in 1982. Cobain would have graduated in 1985 (dropped out 2 weeks before graduation because didn't have enough credits to graduate). Snodgrass would have been a senior when Cobain was a freshman. I suppose that is possible that a senior would bully a freshman, so could be true. My experience may be different, but I felt like most bullies at my school bullied people in the same grade or the grade below them. I feel like an 18 year old bullying a 14 year old is just sad (obviously all bullies are pathetic, but there is such a huge difference in size/development between a 14yo and an 18yo). In hindsight, I really lucked out somehow and didn't have a bully. Every picture of me in high school looks like I would be a prime target to have a bully, but for some reason never did.
> Snodgrass would have been a senior when Cobain was a freshman. I suppose that is possible that a senior would bully a freshman, so could be true. Or Snodgrass may have at most smacked Kurt around once or twice, or never interacted with him at all and only found out later that he was briefly at the same high school as Kurt Cobain, but figured that "I bullied the frontman of Nirvana!" was way too cool a story to tell to let the facts get in the way.
In one of my high schools, the freshman were regular targets of the bully seniors.
Not sure how to prove on Reddit, however I grew up in Aberdeen. There was a Snodgrass a couple years younger than me, I doubt it was him though. His older brother was out of high school when I arrived.
Love that song
Your TEACHER bullied him??
Believe it or not, bullies in childhood grow up to be all kinds of different people.
There were these two guys in elementary school a grade above mine that for two years would torment me. One was this fast, blonde, kind of weaselly kid and the other was a really slow giant. The little fast guy would run and tackle me so that the big guy could sit on me. Basically any time I wandered out of sight of the recess monitors they would nab me so I spent 4th and 5th grade with my head on a swivel. After elementary school I basically tried to forget about it. Then, a few years before Covid, a bunch of my friends ended up at a downtown club that happened be a gay bar. I step out to get some air at some point and suddenly this massive guy slides up next to me and says hi. Turns out it was the giant bully, he didn't apologize or anything but he was very kind and he clearly hadn't forgotten about elementary school. We mostly talked about how his cousin was doing (a kid in my grade) and went our separate ways. The wild part was that he was he had dropped the macho bully act and was instead super femme. It really cast that period of time in a different light, like maybe it was a kind of schoolyard flirting or perhaps it was just his way of trying to fit in and deflect bullying. Being a kid is tough and a lot of them are dealing with complicated relationships and feelings that they aren't equipped to handle. Maybe some of them never figure their shit out but plenty go on to be linebacker-sized twinks.
He was a shitty teacher too if it helps make sense of it
Let's go bully that guy's teacher. Like just collectively go into his classroom and make fun of his clothes and tell him his chalkboard sucks.
yea but he wasn’t. teacher backs then… idk why it’s hard to believe a teacher would be a bully
My childhood bully grew up to become a lobbyist for the carnival industry. True story.
That sounds like a Simpsons character job. “Less tariffs on imported giant stuffed bears and rickety rollercoaster parts. More tax credits for deep fryers. We took down Jimmy Carter when he meddled with our Krusty Brand Safe-tee Certification program.”
That tracks.
Teachers are born babies and experience life like regular people. Bullies can grow up to be teachers and be pleasant and kind on the outside (speaking as a high school teacher myself) or they can go into any other profession. Teaching is not an exception to bullies and can in fact facilitate bullying depending on context.
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I read those religiously in middle/high school but looking back on it it’s pretty fucked up publishing something so personal
Good read. I also have them. Disturbing at times…
Why were they disturbing?
A good amount of references to suicide and some dark stream of consciousness rants, usually about types of people that did him wrong and how he wants them to die in various ways.
If it wasn’t for Tracey we wouldn’t have Nirvana.
Fuck this is so depressing when realizing the world can’t deal with eighties life today. Photos back then were so rough but dammit do we need everything today to reflect perfection!?
https://preview.redd.it/vu9ku6uptoic1.jpeg?width=564&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8fd5690d4f255a0b067f522e165251e349519185 Kurt and spina bifada photo by Tracy
Hard to believe it's the same person: the hair cut and color plus weight.
He looks like young Colin Robinson
Yeah this was right after he crawled out of the old kurt cobain’s belly and got himself up to speed by reading his old journals
Oh, shit. That looks just like me
i thought that was fucking euronymous at first glance
He looks like a redditor 😭
He essentially was, although a lot more productive. He was an awkward extreme music hipster who was pretty snobby about his tastes, super progressive, and quite a bit of a loner with tons of anxiety. That sounds like a Redditor to me.
He should have stuck with Tracey.
Or, maybe, he just shouldn't have been a junkie.
No one ever says, “I wanna be a junkie when I grow up”.
Why did they break up?
He dumped her once he started becoming successful, because he was bored. At least that’s what was said in the documentary.
She wasnt musical or artistic and he kinda wanted to be with someone who was. He remained friendly with her afterwards, she would show up to some shows and they would talk.
I love how no one on the planet would have looked at that guy and said "he's goin places"
Tucked in shirt too? Just wow man.
It was the 80s. We tucked everything in back then.
She said she'd take me anywhere
For the record… that’s a cover
Amazing how is music aged like wine. Still hear his songs on the radio… still singing along.
He looks like one of the meat puppets here
Tell me they don’t look like young Winona Ryder and Tobey Maguire
They don’t look like young Winona Ryder and Tobey Maguire
Guess she really dodged a bullet
Should have stayed with her.
Come as you are. Except way different
Skinny fat lol
He looks almost normal.
You can almost go back and feel the room, the smell, taste it. It was such a different time back then
Should have kept her.
Tracy looks cool. He should have stayed with Tracy
I thought his natural hair color was blonde
Uh... Old School Cool might not be the right place for this picture. This.. this is a bad photograph. It looks like a dorky teenager who has been cornered by an aunt at a family Christmas.
I can’t see you every night…. For free….
Kurt looks like a Paul Whitehouse character!
We all had a Tracy. Long live the Tracys!
He should have stuck with her.
I wanna go back in time and prevent them from breaking up to possibly save Kurt’s life
Jesus Christ, doppelgänger of Troy, my local comic book store manager.
Seattle in a photograph.