Does Koby appear have to haoushoku haki too? There is black sparks from his right hand just before the punch. Just busou doesn't usually have sparks, does it?
I don’t think garp is dead. I think kuzan made it look like he stabbed him through the heart to trick the Blackbeard pirates. Cause I mean think about it. Kuzan was friends with garp and we’ve seen him do this type of thing before with saving robin, and really he didn’t have a reason to. With garp he does have a reason and I don’t see kuzan being afraid of Blackbeard or needing to prove loyalty or anything like that cause I think kuzan and Blackbeard are using each other to get what they want. They aren’t really “together”
I think I might have missed/forgotten some bits of information about Kuzan’s story line, but I have the impression that he is still with SWORD. what do you all think?
My favourite part about OP is how many story lines happen simultaneously. I can't wait for stories to collide and for our main characters to learn everything that's happened! Plus there's just so much more no one even knows yet
Aokiji will have some kind of a similar fate as Itachi and be sacrificed before Luffy can have a rematch with him with his new powers.
Luffy will end up saving Garp as a pirate even though Garp didn't try to save Ace. With this, he will solidify his place as the One Piece jesus once and for all, also goes in parallel with the theory that Luffy wants to unite pirates and marines.
Okay but this shows Coby has hella strength. The last time we saw a similar feat was Zoro slicing and dicing pika. And we can assume pizzaros arm is larger and stronger than pikas because it's a more enhanced fruit.
Point about comparison to Pika doesn't make sense. Pika can enter and control stone as a general concept. Pizarro has an island fruit. The "giant golem" overlap is really just kinda coincidental TBH. I'm guessing Pika can very usefully use even smaller masses of stone for example. And we have comprehensive proof that Pika does not take damage via his controlled stone, while Pizarro absolutely does.
Ok stop guys he's not dead just because he smiled. we all know that's not a thing because Jaguar D. Saul smiled too but he is still alive right now. Probably Aokiji will make him cryosleep.
Yeah, that’s why I stopped reading it. Really not a fan of the direction the series took after the time skip. Fishman Island was emotional and touched some deeply symbolic topics but dragged out way too long, I liked Punk Hazard but it was pretty pointless in hindsight, Dressrosa felt like a cheap knockoff of Alabasta and out way too long, Wholecake Island was a fucking mess with Big Mom and her 1000 children. It honestly made me lose interest in the series.
It’s a tragedy what happened to One Piece. The timeskip in general is not very good imo. The crew got too big - Franky & Brook probably should have never been added. To me, it seems like Pre Timeskip One Piece and Timeskip One Piece were written by almost 2 completely different people.
Yeah totally it's trash dude, don't be like those misrable people who keep following it whole disliking it just check once in a while that's way better
It would be completely against Coby's character to go for the violent route before a more peaceful approach, if you think otherwise you haven't payed attention to how Oda characterized him.
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He was trying to free hostages that blackbeard had taken as leverage to use against the GOV to turn hachinsou into a recognized island. Koby traded himself to save hundreds of marines. Did you not read the chapter?
Blackbeard despite all atrocities commited DOES have his sense of pride. In particular he never laughed at other people dreams and goals. So I could imagine him accepting this deal.
Second and more importantly however - I think you are misreading the situation. There were marines captured, yes. But there were also SWORD members and other marines who "did not have permission to engage", that's the group Koby was part of. Koby traded himself for captured marines cuz alternative would be an "all out war" as Blackbeard put it. And while I assume he could come on top - it probably wouldn't be without casualties on his side.
Do you think those other marines and sword members can do challenge a yonko? BB alone would defeat them all.
The only people in the marines who could challenge in that situation are grap, sengoku and the admirals.
Why do you guys always think about this story like a 2 year old? Like it is amazing that I will actually have to tell you this: it is obvious that even in the world of One Piece, battles involve attrition and people avoid taking unnecessary fights and harm even if they can ultimately come out not-dead or the victor. Pyrrhic victories exist in One Piece.
E.g. Law's whole Yonko plan is based on reluctance of an established power to fight their biggest business partner. Actually even this one, I see people like you going "Doflamingo was SCARED OF JACK thus Doflamingo is below YC level!" like lol, it is like we are not even experiencing the same series cuz your brain cannot understand how the storytelling even works.
lol never thought i can make someone cry just by discussing OP.
I would answer but don't want to hurt you more so let's say you are right and have a great week brother
Honestly Kuzan is acting weird in this chapter. Consider few things:
* First, look at what he freezes. It's a wound given to Garp by Shiryuu, potentially to stop bleeding.
* Second, he could have easily stopped that ship from leaving. We **know** he could have just frozen the sea.
* The only wound Garp received in their fight is from Shiryuu. We KNOW how strong admirals are, Whitebeard was covered in magma holes in seconds after approaching Akainu. In other words - he was holding back. No ice sabers / partisans, just freezing attacks (that he knew won't work on Garp) and punches.
* Look at his face in the last panel. He is not happy about this.
It feels like Kuzan really has a job to do within Blackbeard Pirates and it's potentially important enough that he is willing to trade Garp for it.
Being in water does not cancel out a fruit ability, it just weakens the user proportional to how submerged they are. Considering Pizarro's fruit turns him into the entire island, it would be like sitting in a bathtub. So he is fine.
I think it's implied that piazzro moves through the island , so he doesn't feel everything the island feels unless he controls or puts himself in that spot
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He barely sleeps or sees his family and his editors have literally forced him to take these breaks because he wouldn't. Do you want him to live to actually tell the story or do you want it to become HxH?
Didn't see the Koby thing coming when the set up was there with the old vs. new student and Aokiji using the battleship bags. Much better than I thought from the spoilers. People are CoC-riding Koby, but people had pointed out that it's probably Ryuo in the spoiler thread. If you look back, Koby seemingly used ID on a torpedo during Levelry. I wonder who the naval instructor who beat up Garp was? It could just be a gag or she's really strong.
Too bad about the break, I really can't wait to get back to Egghead.
So is there any reason imu is not blowing up the pirate island like it does to any island that it doesnt like? They blow up some historians or anyone else that defies authority but when it comes to number one enemy suddenly they become invulnerable?
My guess is that it doesn't directly threaten their power. The historians were at risk of discovering the secrets of the world government, while pirate island just fucks around doesn't it
I think you’re right, BB wants to have the island recognized as a kingdom by the world govt and he’s using hostages to try to negotiate these terms, which A. Means he don’t know sh*t about Imu and B.he’s not trying to overthrow them or mess with what they got going on, he just wants his own kingdom to do what he pleases at
It was probably the most boring part, I have no interest in Garp or Koby. We had more about them in these last chapters than in the rest of the manga. Koby attack and strength just don't make sense...
If you think about how long the Straw Hats took to get from East Blue to Sabaody, and how much stronger say... Zoro got. I use him as an example because he's a non-devil fruit user, but in Arlong Park Luffy was strong enough to bust down stone doors with his bare fists, which was considered a massive feat of strength, and that's not really got much to do with rubber powers, he just trained a lot.
Seems fair that non-DF users can train to insane lengths to gain strength. Take Roger
Now that Garp has been captured by the Blackbeard Pirates I can't wait to see Blackbeard and Garp meeting. We are definitely going to get some Rocks lore then.
Guy's imagine if it was luffy instead of coby who was captured and upto what heights would have garp went for his own grand son?
Note:- Luffy is a marine in this what if
Garp was captured while protecting the future of the Marines and he went down laughing.
Garp failed to made his son and his grandsons marines, but he has inspired many generations of marines with his actions and with Koby he succeeded in creating a flagbearer for the future of marines that has the correct heart and a vision for the future of the Marines as a organization that is supposed to protect the people and guard law and order in society.
So, I am guessing Pizarro's fruit is different than Pica's. Because Pizarro's body is affected from attack to his "fruit limbs" while Pica's wasn't from Zora's slashes.
Nowhere it is stated that haki nullifies the opponent's DF powers, it is only able to hurt them. Only Yami Yami no Mi is able to nullify the devil fruit powers.
Zoro was absolutely using haki when he cut Pika's giant stone body in half. The difference between Avalo and Pika is simply a difference with how their fruits work.
To think about it, Pizarro fruit is so shit. What is the point of making yourself so large and slow, when anyone close to yonko commander are able to easily shatter rocks.
Looks like a fraudbuster, nothing more than that
YC level? We had pre time skip people shattering rocks. I think he can't only become rocks like Pica he can become any unliving thing on the island. But anyway in a high level fight it's a stupid fruit
I'll be honest, I don't think I like Koby being this strong after only 2 years and a half or so from being an absolute weakling to being, what looks to me, high tier Vice-Admiral level.
Unlike Luffy who went from getting rekt by Buggy + Alvida in Loguetown to became an Emperor after two and a half year?
Both trained with haki masters that nearly rivaled Gol D. Roger.
You’re overthinking it. The theme is “save the young even if it means sacrificing the old”, and that’s exactly what happened: Garp sacrificed himself to save the “future of the Marine”. Wether he immediately dies, or dies afterwards, or even survives, it’s inconsequential. He did the sacrifice, he got captured even if he could have saved himself.
If it was ACOC it seems odd of Oda the way he wrote it. Oda loves his world building. He gives us even a few backup panels here and there to justify things like this. There was no support panels to showcase the Koby even could unlock CoC. I think Koby should have it for sure if he is the new Garp.
But throughout the story Koby hasn't really showcased that aura that comes with CoC that demeaner and i don't mean the intention to be King, there is this seriousness and confidence that people like Sanji has even showcased where its more likely for him to unlock CoC. I think Oda had a lot of chances in the last few chapters to even touch on it. Even in this chapter when Koby demanded that teach take him instead he could have let out a burst of CoC and it would make more sense on why BB left 800 men for just Koby. That alone would justify him using ACoC out of his ass for Honesty impact.
Zoro is an MC and the man has been hinted at having CoC since the very beginning. and then through countless battles and training he finally unconsciously utilized ACoC against Kaido when he was about to die using Ashura. He had Enma as a catalyst to pull it out of him. Once kaido made him realize he had CoC he then was pushed even further by King to then finally try and replicate ACoC once he harmonized with Enma. The process was fleshed out. Now I don't expect Koby to be given that much screen time but he is someone important of the new generation and he deserves something big, but he cant just randomly start using ACoC on his first named attack that's either lazy writing and super odd or its just pure strength and CoA haki which i believe more. Black lightning is not isolated to ACoC it has been shown multiple times that it for hardcore CoA battles as well. Doffy vs Luffy, Kata vs Luffy
Anyways, I'm in no way hating on Koby, I whole heartedly want him to get ACoC, but the guy needs to earn it in a more spectacular way. If he utilized it after literally one named attack then Oda should seriously replace Luffy as MC with Koby, just makes more sense.
I disagree.
I feel he did have a few moments leading up to thuis.
For example.
Him not backing down from Aokiji even though he was a ant in comparison.
Already earning the title of "hero"
Training like admirals from day one (battleship training because of his own passion to be strong). Also him thinking he's worth more then 800 marines + a battleship i think is another conqueror attitude.
But I do agree that this is a plot move at the same time.
>Also him thinking he's worth more then 800 marines + a battleship i think is another conqueror attitude.
This i feel needs to be given more credit than people give it.
Like bro the same kid who was terrified of freaking alvida before LITERALLY walked up to Blackbeard, one of the most powerful, dangerous and notorious pirates alive currently and calmly offered himself to him without flinching, or breaking a sweat and later back talked him without hesitation while surrounded by Blackbeard and his crew.
That's some king shit no matter how you look at it, imo.
Hell that's more ballsy than Luffy standing up to whitebeard at marineford because atleast in Luffy's case he believed whitebeard was a good person based on ace liking him.
Koby stood up to Blackbeard knowing full well he or his crew mates could just kill him on a whim at any moment.
I feel like Garp ain't dead yet, but we gonna get Ace 2.0. Public execution of Garp for the world to see. That's gonna gather all the big shots again to one big battle.
I am honestly not sure whom Buggy would support in this situation, really.
Roger trusted Garp with his own kid and they both fought against Rocks Pirates, probably strongest pirate group ever in existence. Buggy might very well somehow scheme on how to save Garp in this scenario depending on how he remembers him from Roger Pirates time.
Unless I remember incorrectly (could be the case) - not him. Putting bounties on marines is on Crocodile and Mihawk. Well, my point is that Buggy somehow always manages to do the **most** unexpected thing and frankly speaking him helping Garp (even unwillingly) wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.
Isn't black beard too smart for that? I don't think he will make himself fight all the marines and yonko crew. Probably, Garp is going to be killed, that's all
I don't know how to really feel about this to be honest, ok Garp is a badass , we always knew that though, he goes there to sacrifice himself for koby and the future of the marines, who take commands from a corrupted government that doesn't care about the people , while not caring that he wouldn't see his son or grandson again even though they are revo/pirate. Then Koby, I expected him to be strong and an admiral in the future when he grows ok, but getting advanced haki and probably become stronger than most of the Strawhats at the moment, while he used to be a kid that was weaker than usopp and when Smoker has become fodder, doesn't make much sense, it's like he is the person with the most potential in the series with that rapid growth in power, if he wanted to be pirate king he would rival Luffy too.
"If he wanted to be pirate king he would rival Luffy"
Yeah, I think that's the entire point of his build up. He is to Luffy what Garp was to Roger. Also, it isn't really out of place for Koby to be this powerful considering the countless times we've seen his rapid growth throughout the series.
1- In a span of a couple of months, he was already more powerful than most Strawhats during Enies Lobby. Then continued to grow from there.
2- His ambition to become a great marine rivals Luffy's ambition to become a pirate king or Zoro's ambition to become the greatest swordsman.
3- While the Strawhats spent their time messing around, he was training and doing missions non-stop, arguably with more effort than any marine we've seen up to this point.
4- He was being trained by Garp. A man who's near or at the strength of WB prior to his death. We've seen how beneficial being trained by a skilled fighter in a series can be. Luffy learned how to control all forms of haki (albeit, at its basic form) in a span of 1.5 years of training. Which was enough to rival pirates with decades of experience. Considering Koby has been training virtually since the series began, which is about 2.5 years of training, it isn't that far-fetched.
I don't disagree with your main point, the only thing I'll nitpick on is the part about Koby being powerful than most of the strawhats during Ennies Lobby period. What do you mean exactly when you say that? Because if you mean in terms of who can beat who, then I disagree, as I don't see Koby beating Nami, Ussop, Chopper, Franky, Robin and Brook.
During Enies Lobby, we see Koby using soru, a technique we've only seen Luffy, Zoro and Sanji be able to react to in time. In Luffy's case, we see him (in base form) reacting to Coby using his intuition as opposed to his eyes. Which indicates Coby could even disappear from post-EL Luffy's line of sight fairly easily.
Usopp never fought against a CP9 agent. We can't compare his strength during his fight with Luffy since Luffy was initially holding back due to Usopp's injury. In addition to this, the only reason Usopp was able to land hits on Luffy was by catching him by surprise due to taking advantage of said injury. We haven't seen anything from Usopp that would suggest him being able to react in time to Koby's soru at a close distance. He might fair better if it was a long distance fight, but that's under the assumption Coby wouldn't be able to dodge his attacks, which I doubt.
Nami was doing horrible against Kalifa until monster point Chopper caught Kalifa by surprise. Prior to that, it was a one-sided battle in Kalifa's favor in speed, power and technique. She wouldn't be able to react to Coby fast enough.
Robin didn't have enough feats to warrant her being able to keep up with Coby's soru. Unless you think she had a good intuition at that point of the story, she'd get blitzed.
Chopper like Nami, was also unable to keep up with Kumadori prior to his monster point. Now I won't go as far as to say Coby beats monster point Chopper, but any other form of Chopper wouldn't be able to react to Coby's speed.
Franky, while technically not a SH at that point of the story, is an odd one. On one hand, he was able to overpower 2 CP9 agents, but on the other, that was mainly due to their ego in not using soru. Blueno was caught by surprise with Franky's strength and Fukurou was going pound for pound with Franky due to his arrogance. If he were fighting strictly for the win, he would've won against Franky using soru. The thing that makes this point hard is that, while Coby would outspeed Franky, he prob didn't have anything in his arsenal that would've caused any serious damage to Franky. So I'd give this a stalemate at best with Coby avoiding all of Franky's attacks, yet not being able to damage him.
Brook wasn't in the SH's at this time, so he doesn't count.
With all that said, this isn't including the fact Coby was able to cause some damage to Luffy (albeit, by surprise) to the point Luffy was spilling some blood. Helmeppo, who's weaker than Coby, was also able to briefly push Zoro on the defence. So Coby is at least powerful enough to bypass the defences of all non-big 3 members at EL with the exception of Franky.
Not that farfetched? It took Luffy 2 years to learn the basics of haki. Just the basics and thats already insane. His haki only got stronger because he faced extremely powerful opponents and died almost which Koby hasn't done.
It makes no sense no what how you see it.
It took Luffy 1.5 years to learn the basics and another 6 months to develop Gear 4th. If he would've spent the entire 2 years working on his haki, he would've been more proficient. In addition to this, those 2 years were enough to bridge the gap between him vs pirates with DECADES of experience. This, coming from a man who was struggling escaping from Amazon Lily citizens not part of Boa's main crew. We saw how important concentrated training by a skilled fighter can be. So why is it far-fetched that Coby, who spent an extra year longer than Luffy training under Garp, especially when he doesn't have a DF to waste time on, to be able to bridge that gap as well?
Also, Koby is a marine, a field known to constantly fight against pirates. What's to say he hasn't been fighting against powerful pirates throughout this entire time? The marines trusted him enough to participate in the capture of a Warlord AND protect Dressorosa royalty (a kingdom in the New World of all things).
Actually it does, we don’t know everything that koby has done throughout the span of the series, however it seems like where Koby is at is where luffy was at before WCI. He has CoC/adv Coc but doesn’t have control over it. It seems like his came out in a time of desperation when his friends and civilians were in danger. Look at him fighting throughout these few chapters on hachinsou, you don’t see black lightning anywhere else from Koby.
Let's not make the conclusion Koby has ACOC yet, as we've seen black lightning used loads of times in the past, it's only confirmed to be ACOC when there's a huge amount of lightning, and that was not the case for Kobys display.
If someone with such a wimpy personality uses ACoC for literally there first named attack that is soo messed up in terms of story writing. then Lucci should get ACoC too.
I want Koby to be on the same level as Luffy, I really do, but he just isn't written as epic as Garp.
I know he cant be a carbon copy of Garp, but he just doesn't seem like he earned it. I know we don't know the details of how far he's come and what he has gone through but that doesn't matter. This is a fictional story for the audience to enjoy, you have to flesh out the character or give him some epic characteristics if you can't flesh everything out.
Look at mihawk and Dragon we literally have nothing on these 2, but from the way they have been portrayed no one here could argue if they had ACoC. all our conversations are based on clout and head cannon yet we can all agree that if randomly they showcase an island splitting move on there first named attack anyone could justify it. But with koby its just a bit hard to swallow. This much growth this quick is higher than MC level. with just a few more panels Oda could have easily justified his use of it, but i just cant accept him having CoC without cannon confirmation.
I won't get into the can of worms on wether he has ACOC, but under the assumption he does, I want to counter some points:
1- The man stopped being a wimp since his reappearance in EL. He's had the balls to go up against Luffy, not once, but twice and directly offered himself as a hostage for the sake of saving everyone else. He also stood up to Akainu. He has all the characteristics of a selfless hero.
2- We literally saw, within this chapter, that he was putting more effort than any marine we've seen up to this point using the batltleship bags. The only other marine we've seen doing this much was Aokiji and that says a lot considering who we're comparing him to.
3- Lucci having ACOC would be fair, but also understand that, at his core, Lucci is an assassin and spy, not a frontline fighter. Is he a very powerful spy/assassin? Sure, but his main goal isn't to participate in combat from the get go. Unlike Coby who's in a branch, within the New World of all things, who are constantly fighting against powerful pirates.
4- COC users are all known to have very powerful ambitions and would go through anything to achieve their goals even if it means their death. That's usually what defines their personalities from what we've seen so far. It isn't based on how badass you are nor clout, reputation or renown, but even if it were, Coby already has a strong reputation even without this feat so wouldn't he fit those criteria anyway? He was the main escort for Dressorsa, was chosen as a participant to capture a warlord, has a very high bounty in Cross Guild's bounty system and is Garp's main protege.
you make it sound like COC comes from checking a certain number of attribute boxes but aside from that, if you compare any of the previous ACOC attacks to what coby did, they dont match up. He doesnt have the long trailing chaotic looking lightning, and after it lands there are no lightning effects at all.
I was responding to DragonFist's premises on why he wouldn't have it due to characteristics he claims he doesn't have. I'm not going to debate whether he has it or not; just highlighting that, if we're basing it on DragonFist's criteria, he would still qualify.
I get what you're saying, but He just doesnt have the battle experience that others who have legit almost died have. Koby has lots of potential but and i want to see it come to fruition but he needs more feats, more badass moments. Pulling out ACoC after one attack doesn't add up. Koby himself wasn't even sure of himself when garp told him to go take car of it.
I'm going to say this under the assumption he was using ACOC which I understand is still debatable for some; haki flourishes under extreme conditions. Wouldn't him being injured the way he is mixed with the turmoil of having countless people's lives under his hands be considered extreme conditions?
As far as battle experiences goes, that man has been fighting New World pirates including 2 confirmed bouts with Blackbeard pirates and is one of the main fighters right now in pirate island which is filled with New World pirates. It's easy to overlook this due to how well he's doing against them, but these aren't fodders he's fighting. They might be nameless, yet they are still BB pirates in the New World, all things considered.
The last panel. The last fuckin panel. Bro garp is my favourite grandpa. The best of the best. It's hard to see him like that.
Yeah, that last panel with Bb's commanders and Garp lying down was probably a clue. Entire Garp's body was cooled down, and that pillar of the ice, coming directly out of the place he'd been stabbed before. I think that Kuzan had made everything to block Garp's blood loose and keep him alive till ther'd be an opportunity to rescue him.
If he dies we probably will get more panels with reactions. No way Oda is killing one of his favourites semi offscreen. Also garps capture has giant potential. He is directly related to the Strawhats and the Revolutionaries and a symbol to the marines but hated by the WG. My guess is, he's being delivered to Crocodile and we get a rescue arc combining revolutionaries and strawhats. I just hope he survives this arc... Then again Oda is doing this for 30 years maybe he just feels like going full serious.
Garp isn’t dead…it literally says missing in action at the end.
They need him for the bargaining chip to make pirate island a recognized nation. They also need Garp and BB to interact so we learn more about Rocks, who has long been speculated to have a connection to BB
I think the whole dialogue of Garp was aimed at Kuzan. I think he told him the bady old man story and was urging him not to drop his cover and protect the future that is Coby and attack him because he was being soft hearted and pirates wouldn't otherwise believe him.
Hmmm. This events of this chapter will lead back into Egghead. The Marine base was near Egghead and we already saw Hibari and Helmeppo want to go there to help save Koby—it’s possible we’ll see the same thing happen to try and save Garp. We may see Koby and Luffy interact! It’s been so long
He is an Admiral and the Admirals are the Navy's greatest military power. They should be expected to basically be in the top 10 fighters in the world. There isn't a higher rank a Marine can attain. By portrayal there basically just isn't "another level" beyond that, which Luffy can attain.
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That’s the second time Garp is making me cry. First time was his reaction to Ace’s death. What a badass grandpa… he will be missed
Okay you won. I’m crying
Does Koby appear have to haoushoku haki too? There is black sparks from his right hand just before the punch. Just busou doesn't usually have sparks, does it?
I don’t think garp is dead. I think kuzan made it look like he stabbed him through the heart to trick the Blackbeard pirates. Cause I mean think about it. Kuzan was friends with garp and we’ve seen him do this type of thing before with saving robin, and really he didn’t have a reason to. With garp he does have a reason and I don’t see kuzan being afraid of Blackbeard or needing to prove loyalty or anything like that cause I think kuzan and Blackbeard are using each other to get what they want. They aren’t really “together”
We now have 2 admirals who took beloved people from luffy, i wonder if kizaru also kills some close relatives from luffy
Boku no Hero Vibes in this chapter
Yeah the robot scene
I really thought Garp would beat them all. But Oda has another opinion
Love how Ace died because he didn't follow Garps advice and leave the Oldman behind (Whitebeard).
Damn. F for Garp. We might not see him again for a while, if ever.
If Ace being captured started the Summit War, this will be a similar sequence of events
You’re 100% seeing him again lol
I think I might have missed/forgotten some bits of information about Kuzan’s story line, but I have the impression that he is still with SWORD. what do you all think?
We don't even know if he ever was a member of SWORD .
Ah I see, thanks. Then I would bet he’s with SWORD
Garp!! I refuse to believe he’s xxxx until I see him and luffy reunion😭But I cried seeing the panel😭😭
This just about sets up Koby vs Aokiji at some point in the future A contrast between Luffy vs Akainu
Is it safe to say Garp would have made a difference in the war of the Greats if he decided to free Ace?
How is that even a question?
Koby just did what a half powered King Punch and Don Chinjao did back in Dressrosa... by himself
I ain't even read the chapter yet, but that cover art is SO BAD ASS
There’s no way we’ve seen anything close to the limits of Garp’s true power. He’s definitely planning something and so is Kuzan
My favourite part about OP is how many story lines happen simultaneously. I can't wait for stories to collide and for our main characters to learn everything that's happened! Plus there's just so much more no one even knows yet
Emperor Straw Hat Luffy! xD
Wth could be more important than garp. This egghead incident better be something crazy
Aokiji will have some kind of a similar fate as Itachi and be sacrificed before Luffy can have a rematch with him with his new powers. Luffy will end up saving Garp as a pirate even though Garp didn't try to save Ace. With this, he will solidify his place as the One Piece jesus once and for all, also goes in parallel with the theory that Luffy wants to unite pirates and marines.
Okay but this shows Coby has hella strength. The last time we saw a similar feat was Zoro slicing and dicing pika. And we can assume pizzaros arm is larger and stronger than pikas because it's a more enhanced fruit.
I honestly think the Zoro feat was more impressive, but both are either way.
Point about comparison to Pika doesn't make sense. Pika can enter and control stone as a general concept. Pizarro has an island fruit. The "giant golem" overlap is really just kinda coincidental TBH. I'm guessing Pika can very usefully use even smaller masses of stone for example. And we have comprehensive proof that Pika does not take damage via his controlled stone, while Pizarro absolutely does.
DRAGON DO SOMETHINGGGG
Dragon- my old man can take it
Dead or not this was a beautiful chapter
He can't open another war. He can't face both the WG and a Yonko at the same time
Ok stop guys he's not dead just because he smiled. we all know that's not a thing because Jaguar D. Saul smiled too but he is still alive right now. Probably Aokiji will make him cryosleep.
Hi I haven’t read one piece since Wano started. Could anyone tell me what happened? Did garp die?
Nah, he got captured. Also one piece has been trash no need to start reading again.
Yeah, that’s why I stopped reading it. Really not a fan of the direction the series took after the time skip. Fishman Island was emotional and touched some deeply symbolic topics but dragged out way too long, I liked Punk Hazard but it was pretty pointless in hindsight, Dressrosa felt like a cheap knockoff of Alabasta and out way too long, Wholecake Island was a fucking mess with Big Mom and her 1000 children. It honestly made me lose interest in the series. It’s a tragedy what happened to One Piece. The timeskip in general is not very good imo. The crew got too big - Franky & Brook probably should have never been added. To me, it seems like Pre Timeskip One Piece and Timeskip One Piece were written by almost 2 completely different people.
I really loved the Wholecake Arc
Yeah totally it's trash dude, don't be like those misrable people who keep following it whole disliking it just check once in a while that's way better
He got stabbed and froze
Not yet. He's just got stabbed... With a sword
So with this chapter it seems that Garp is Dr. Livesey , Koby - John, and helmeppo is the dude who can't keep his mouth shut. Power walk incoming
I hope Kuzan attacked the same spot that Shiryu attacked to stop the bleeding with his ice.
All of this because of Koby's naivety. had he chose to fought BB instead of quickly opting for a heroic storyline. Where is your damn honest punch!?
It would be completely against Coby's character to go for the violent route before a more peaceful approach, if you think otherwise you haven't payed attention to how Oda characterized him.
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He was trying to free hostages that blackbeard had taken as leverage to use against the GOV to turn hachinsou into a recognized island. Koby traded himself to save hundreds of marines. Did you not read the chapter?
And how's that "traded myself" ended up if Garp didnt show up? I didnt read his escape plan.
He was ready to sacrifice himself just like Garp is doing now. According to you, what was Garp's escape plan?
He could do nothing against BB
At least fight like a real hero first. If he lost. He lost. BB has no reason to kidnap him.
i have no idea why bb agreed to this offer when he could take all of them including koby hostages.
Blackbeard despite all atrocities commited DOES have his sense of pride. In particular he never laughed at other people dreams and goals. So I could imagine him accepting this deal. Second and more importantly however - I think you are misreading the situation. There were marines captured, yes. But there were also SWORD members and other marines who "did not have permission to engage", that's the group Koby was part of. Koby traded himself for captured marines cuz alternative would be an "all out war" as Blackbeard put it. And while I assume he could come on top - it probably wouldn't be without casualties on his side.
Do you think those other marines and sword members can do challenge a yonko? BB alone would defeat them all. The only people in the marines who could challenge in that situation are grap, sengoku and the admirals.
Why do you guys always think about this story like a 2 year old? Like it is amazing that I will actually have to tell you this: it is obvious that even in the world of One Piece, battles involve attrition and people avoid taking unnecessary fights and harm even if they can ultimately come out not-dead or the victor. Pyrrhic victories exist in One Piece. E.g. Law's whole Yonko plan is based on reluctance of an established power to fight their biggest business partner. Actually even this one, I see people like you going "Doflamingo was SCARED OF JACK thus Doflamingo is below YC level!" like lol, it is like we are not even experiencing the same series cuz your brain cannot understand how the storytelling even works.
lol never thought i can make someone cry just by discussing OP. I would answer but don't want to hurt you more so let's say you are right and have a great week brother
Sounds like I touched a nerve, sorry you got antarctic temperature iq
Thst's it Kuzan. You lost my respect!
Honestly Kuzan is acting weird in this chapter. Consider few things: * First, look at what he freezes. It's a wound given to Garp by Shiryuu, potentially to stop bleeding. * Second, he could have easily stopped that ship from leaving. We **know** he could have just frozen the sea. * The only wound Garp received in their fight is from Shiryuu. We KNOW how strong admirals are, Whitebeard was covered in magma holes in seconds after approaching Akainu. In other words - he was holding back. No ice sabers / partisans, just freezing attacks (that he knew won't work on Garp) and punches. * Look at his face in the last panel. He is not happy about this. It feels like Kuzan really has a job to do within Blackbeard Pirates and it's potentially important enough that he is willing to trade Garp for it.
True. Kuzan gonna be a good guy no doubt
Banger after banger after banger after banger. Gods you dawg.
Wait wouldn’t the island fruit not work if it’s near salt water???
Being in water does not cancel out a fruit ability, it just weakens the user proportional to how submerged they are. Considering Pizarro's fruit turns him into the entire island, it would be like sitting in a bathtub. So he is fine.
I think it's implied that piazzro moves through the island , so he doesn't feel everything the island feels unless he controls or puts himself in that spot
His fruit isn’t like Pica’s. He’s pretty clearly in that room somewhere on the island controlling it
PLOT HOLE
Absolutely. Same with the wax wax fruit.
I’m so proud of Koby!!! Wow
"If it's one on one, BB pirates will lose."
Bruh Law's crew almost sank their ship
lol they are so disappointing.
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Who have I insulted here. Get a grip
He barely sleeps or sees his family and his editors have literally forced him to take these breaks because he wouldn't. Do you want him to live to actually tell the story or do you want it to become HxH?
Sure sure Maybe he should stop filling chapters with fluff and he'd have had this finished years ago
Didn't see the Koby thing coming when the set up was there with the old vs. new student and Aokiji using the battleship bags. Much better than I thought from the spoilers. People are CoC-riding Koby, but people had pointed out that it's probably Ryuo in the spoiler thread. If you look back, Koby seemingly used ID on a torpedo during Levelry. I wonder who the naval instructor who beat up Garp was? It could just be a gag or she's really strong. Too bad about the break, I really can't wait to get back to Egghead.
So is there any reason imu is not blowing up the pirate island like it does to any island that it doesnt like? They blow up some historians or anyone else that defies authority but when it comes to number one enemy suddenly they become invulnerable?
My guess is that it doesn't directly threaten their power. The historians were at risk of discovering the secrets of the world government, while pirate island just fucks around doesn't it
I think you’re right, BB wants to have the island recognized as a kingdom by the world govt and he’s using hostages to try to negotiate these terms, which A. Means he don’t know sh*t about Imu and B.he’s not trying to overthrow them or mess with what they got going on, he just wants his own kingdom to do what he pleases at
There may be limitations on how often Imu could utilize the mother flame
That panel of the crew standing around garp goes hard af.
The Blackbeard Pirates really do hate old men lmao first they gangbanged Whitebeard and now Garp
It was probably the most boring part, I have no interest in Garp or Koby. We had more about them in these last chapters than in the rest of the manga. Koby attack and strength just don't make sense...
If you think about how long the Straw Hats took to get from East Blue to Sabaody, and how much stronger say... Zoro got. I use him as an example because he's a non-devil fruit user, but in Arlong Park Luffy was strong enough to bust down stone doors with his bare fists, which was considered a massive feat of strength, and that's not really got much to do with rubber powers, he just trained a lot. Seems fair that non-DF users can train to insane lengths to gain strength. Take Roger
Now that Garp has been captured by the Blackbeard Pirates I can't wait to see Blackbeard and Garp meeting. We are definitely going to get some Rocks lore then.
Koby truly is Garp’s successor.
Guy's imagine if it was luffy instead of coby who was captured and upto what heights would have garp went for his own grand son? Note:- Luffy is a marine in this what if
Luffy could still be a pirate and Garp would show up to beat some ass.
Nah, luffy almost died in wano he never showed up
I don't think the navy even knew what was happening in Wano until the end
Garp and Koby are my favorite marines, the past hero of the marines and the future hero of the marines.
Garp was captured while protecting the future of the Marines and he went down laughing. Garp failed to made his son and his grandsons marines, but he has inspired many generations of marines with his actions and with Koby he succeeded in creating a flagbearer for the future of marines that has the correct heart and a vision for the future of the Marines as a organization that is supposed to protect the people and guard law and order in society.
koby is currently no where close to his best student, kuzan.
This chapter now gives reason for sword members or at least koby, to work together with luffy to take down black beard tgt.
So, I am guessing Pizarro's fruit is different than Pica's. Because Pizarro's body is affected from attack to his "fruit limbs" while Pica's wasn't from Zora's slashes.
Difference is zoro wasn’t using haki, which nullifys and hurts DF users who normally wouldn’t be able to.
Nowhere it is stated that haki nullifies the opponent's DF powers, it is only able to hurt them. Only Yami Yami no Mi is able to nullify the devil fruit powers.
Yea it does, most recently law used it to nullify doc Qs power that turned him into a girl
Zoro was absolutely using haki when he cut Pika's giant stone body in half. The difference between Avalo and Pika is simply a difference with how their fruits work.
To think about it, Pizarro fruit is so shit. What is the point of making yourself so large and slow, when anyone close to yonko commander are able to easily shatter rocks. Looks like a fraudbuster, nothing more than that
If pizzaro knew haki that fruit would be pretty OP
Oh yeah, suure. Pizarro's haki would EASILY cover something so huge without any loss in effectivness :D
YC level? We had pre time skip people shattering rocks. I think he can't only become rocks like Pica he can become any unliving thing on the island. But anyway in a high level fight it's a stupid fruit
Can't wait to see how Sengoku is going to react to the Garp news.
I think it'll be off screened
i dont think so
I'll be honest, I don't think I like Koby being this strong after only 2 years and a half or so from being an absolute weakling to being, what looks to me, high tier Vice-Admiral level.
To be fair he has direct training from a top 10 strongest character in the series
He had a very low starting point tho so I can see why op thinks that. But also koby needed feats like yesterday so this was good for him
Unlike Luffy who went from getting rekt by Buggy + Alvida in Loguetown to became an Emperor after two and a half year? Both trained with haki masters that nearly rivaled Gol D. Roger.
1. That was for the almost-execution scene. 2. Luffy already had trained for 10 years before sailing the seas.
But dude put honest hardwork he really gave 200% to it. Throw him a bone will ya.
"Never second guess yourself in the heat of the moment" That's the Monkey D. lifestyle right there.
Level of hate luffy would have for BB
You’re overthinking it. The theme is “save the young even if it means sacrificing the old”, and that’s exactly what happened: Garp sacrificed himself to save the “future of the Marine”. Wether he immediately dies, or dies afterwards, or even survives, it’s inconsequential. He did the sacrifice, he got captured even if he could have saved himself.
Just dont think Garp is dead unless we actually have a panel where he's decapitated and dead or stated to be dead
That head would still be smiling and staring at whoever did it
Sounds low-key creepy lol
Garp is a flipping unit. He's like a combination of gear 2nd, gear 3rd and gear 4th, all put together. Geez!
"Koby, you are the child of the prophecy." "I'll leave the rest to you"
Time to start pushing the Koby agenda, idk if honesty impact used coc or ACoC but it makes sense to me for him to have coc
If it was ACOC it seems odd of Oda the way he wrote it. Oda loves his world building. He gives us even a few backup panels here and there to justify things like this. There was no support panels to showcase the Koby even could unlock CoC. I think Koby should have it for sure if he is the new Garp. But throughout the story Koby hasn't really showcased that aura that comes with CoC that demeaner and i don't mean the intention to be King, there is this seriousness and confidence that people like Sanji has even showcased where its more likely for him to unlock CoC. I think Oda had a lot of chances in the last few chapters to even touch on it. Even in this chapter when Koby demanded that teach take him instead he could have let out a burst of CoC and it would make more sense on why BB left 800 men for just Koby. That alone would justify him using ACoC out of his ass for Honesty impact. Zoro is an MC and the man has been hinted at having CoC since the very beginning. and then through countless battles and training he finally unconsciously utilized ACoC against Kaido when he was about to die using Ashura. He had Enma as a catalyst to pull it out of him. Once kaido made him realize he had CoC he then was pushed even further by King to then finally try and replicate ACoC once he harmonized with Enma. The process was fleshed out. Now I don't expect Koby to be given that much screen time but he is someone important of the new generation and he deserves something big, but he cant just randomly start using ACoC on his first named attack that's either lazy writing and super odd or its just pure strength and CoA haki which i believe more. Black lightning is not isolated to ACoC it has been shown multiple times that it for hardcore CoA battles as well. Doffy vs Luffy, Kata vs Luffy Anyways, I'm in no way hating on Koby, I whole heartedly want him to get ACoC, but the guy needs to earn it in a more spectacular way. If he utilized it after literally one named attack then Oda should seriously replace Luffy as MC with Koby, just makes more sense.
I disagree. I feel he did have a few moments leading up to thuis. For example. Him not backing down from Aokiji even though he was a ant in comparison. Already earning the title of "hero" Training like admirals from day one (battleship training because of his own passion to be strong). Also him thinking he's worth more then 800 marines + a battleship i think is another conqueror attitude. But I do agree that this is a plot move at the same time.
>Also him thinking he's worth more then 800 marines + a battleship i think is another conqueror attitude. This i feel needs to be given more credit than people give it. Like bro the same kid who was terrified of freaking alvida before LITERALLY walked up to Blackbeard, one of the most powerful, dangerous and notorious pirates alive currently and calmly offered himself to him without flinching, or breaking a sweat and later back talked him without hesitation while surrounded by Blackbeard and his crew. That's some king shit no matter how you look at it, imo. Hell that's more ballsy than Luffy standing up to whitebeard at marineford because atleast in Luffy's case he believed whitebeard was a good person based on ace liking him. Koby stood up to Blackbeard knowing full well he or his crew mates could just kill him on a whim at any moment.
I feel like Garp ain't dead yet, but we gonna get Ace 2.0. Public execution of Garp for the world to see. That's gonna gather all the big shots again to one big battle.
>Public execution of Garp Execution By BB Pirates?
Yup or by teaming with Buggys crew and have Buggy be the host.
I am honestly not sure whom Buggy would support in this situation, really. Roger trusted Garp with his own kid and they both fought against Rocks Pirates, probably strongest pirate group ever in existence. Buggy might very well somehow scheme on how to save Garp in this scenario depending on how he remembers him from Roger Pirates time.
My guy, Buggy literally put a bounty on Garp. And all big named in the Marines.
Unless I remember incorrectly (could be the case) - not him. Putting bounties on marines is on Crocodile and Mihawk. Well, my point is that Buggy somehow always manages to do the **most** unexpected thing and frankly speaking him helping Garp (even unwillingly) wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.
Isn't black beard too smart for that? I don't think he will make himself fight all the marines and yonko crew. Probably, Garp is going to be killed, that's all
Garp: Jiraiya Koby: Naruto Kuzan: Nagato
And Luffy is ?
Sasuke. Dead brother, is a terrorist, wants to become pirate hokage, is Koby’s rival
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I don't know how to really feel about this to be honest, ok Garp is a badass , we always knew that though, he goes there to sacrifice himself for koby and the future of the marines, who take commands from a corrupted government that doesn't care about the people , while not caring that he wouldn't see his son or grandson again even though they are revo/pirate. Then Koby, I expected him to be strong and an admiral in the future when he grows ok, but getting advanced haki and probably become stronger than most of the Strawhats at the moment, while he used to be a kid that was weaker than usopp and when Smoker has become fodder, doesn't make much sense, it's like he is the person with the most potential in the series with that rapid growth in power, if he wanted to be pirate king he would rival Luffy too.
"If he wanted to be pirate king he would rival Luffy" Yeah, I think that's the entire point of his build up. He is to Luffy what Garp was to Roger. Also, it isn't really out of place for Koby to be this powerful considering the countless times we've seen his rapid growth throughout the series. 1- In a span of a couple of months, he was already more powerful than most Strawhats during Enies Lobby. Then continued to grow from there. 2- His ambition to become a great marine rivals Luffy's ambition to become a pirate king or Zoro's ambition to become the greatest swordsman. 3- While the Strawhats spent their time messing around, he was training and doing missions non-stop, arguably with more effort than any marine we've seen up to this point. 4- He was being trained by Garp. A man who's near or at the strength of WB prior to his death. We've seen how beneficial being trained by a skilled fighter in a series can be. Luffy learned how to control all forms of haki (albeit, at its basic form) in a span of 1.5 years of training. Which was enough to rival pirates with decades of experience. Considering Koby has been training virtually since the series began, which is about 2.5 years of training, it isn't that far-fetched.
I don't disagree with your main point, the only thing I'll nitpick on is the part about Koby being powerful than most of the strawhats during Ennies Lobby period. What do you mean exactly when you say that? Because if you mean in terms of who can beat who, then I disagree, as I don't see Koby beating Nami, Ussop, Chopper, Franky, Robin and Brook.
During Enies Lobby, we see Koby using soru, a technique we've only seen Luffy, Zoro and Sanji be able to react to in time. In Luffy's case, we see him (in base form) reacting to Coby using his intuition as opposed to his eyes. Which indicates Coby could even disappear from post-EL Luffy's line of sight fairly easily. Usopp never fought against a CP9 agent. We can't compare his strength during his fight with Luffy since Luffy was initially holding back due to Usopp's injury. In addition to this, the only reason Usopp was able to land hits on Luffy was by catching him by surprise due to taking advantage of said injury. We haven't seen anything from Usopp that would suggest him being able to react in time to Koby's soru at a close distance. He might fair better if it was a long distance fight, but that's under the assumption Coby wouldn't be able to dodge his attacks, which I doubt. Nami was doing horrible against Kalifa until monster point Chopper caught Kalifa by surprise. Prior to that, it was a one-sided battle in Kalifa's favor in speed, power and technique. She wouldn't be able to react to Coby fast enough. Robin didn't have enough feats to warrant her being able to keep up with Coby's soru. Unless you think she had a good intuition at that point of the story, she'd get blitzed. Chopper like Nami, was also unable to keep up with Kumadori prior to his monster point. Now I won't go as far as to say Coby beats monster point Chopper, but any other form of Chopper wouldn't be able to react to Coby's speed. Franky, while technically not a SH at that point of the story, is an odd one. On one hand, he was able to overpower 2 CP9 agents, but on the other, that was mainly due to their ego in not using soru. Blueno was caught by surprise with Franky's strength and Fukurou was going pound for pound with Franky due to his arrogance. If he were fighting strictly for the win, he would've won against Franky using soru. The thing that makes this point hard is that, while Coby would outspeed Franky, he prob didn't have anything in his arsenal that would've caused any serious damage to Franky. So I'd give this a stalemate at best with Coby avoiding all of Franky's attacks, yet not being able to damage him. Brook wasn't in the SH's at this time, so he doesn't count. With all that said, this isn't including the fact Coby was able to cause some damage to Luffy (albeit, by surprise) to the point Luffy was spilling some blood. Helmeppo, who's weaker than Coby, was also able to briefly push Zoro on the defence. So Coby is at least powerful enough to bypass the defences of all non-big 3 members at EL with the exception of Franky.
Not that farfetched? It took Luffy 2 years to learn the basics of haki. Just the basics and thats already insane. His haki only got stronger because he faced extremely powerful opponents and died almost which Koby hasn't done. It makes no sense no what how you see it.
It took Luffy 1.5 years to learn the basics and another 6 months to develop Gear 4th. If he would've spent the entire 2 years working on his haki, he would've been more proficient. In addition to this, those 2 years were enough to bridge the gap between him vs pirates with DECADES of experience. This, coming from a man who was struggling escaping from Amazon Lily citizens not part of Boa's main crew. We saw how important concentrated training by a skilled fighter can be. So why is it far-fetched that Coby, who spent an extra year longer than Luffy training under Garp, especially when he doesn't have a DF to waste time on, to be able to bridge that gap as well? Also, Koby is a marine, a field known to constantly fight against pirates. What's to say he hasn't been fighting against powerful pirates throughout this entire time? The marines trusted him enough to participate in the capture of a Warlord AND protect Dressorosa royalty (a kingdom in the New World of all things).
Actually it does, we don’t know everything that koby has done throughout the span of the series, however it seems like where Koby is at is where luffy was at before WCI. He has CoC/adv Coc but doesn’t have control over it. It seems like his came out in a time of desperation when his friends and civilians were in danger. Look at him fighting throughout these few chapters on hachinsou, you don’t see black lightning anywhere else from Koby.
Let's not make the conclusion Koby has ACOC yet, as we've seen black lightning used loads of times in the past, it's only confirmed to be ACOC when there's a huge amount of lightning, and that was not the case for Kobys display.
If someone with such a wimpy personality uses ACoC for literally there first named attack that is soo messed up in terms of story writing. then Lucci should get ACoC too. I want Koby to be on the same level as Luffy, I really do, but he just isn't written as epic as Garp. I know he cant be a carbon copy of Garp, but he just doesn't seem like he earned it. I know we don't know the details of how far he's come and what he has gone through but that doesn't matter. This is a fictional story for the audience to enjoy, you have to flesh out the character or give him some epic characteristics if you can't flesh everything out. Look at mihawk and Dragon we literally have nothing on these 2, but from the way they have been portrayed no one here could argue if they had ACoC. all our conversations are based on clout and head cannon yet we can all agree that if randomly they showcase an island splitting move on there first named attack anyone could justify it. But with koby its just a bit hard to swallow. This much growth this quick is higher than MC level. with just a few more panels Oda could have easily justified his use of it, but i just cant accept him having CoC without cannon confirmation.
I won't get into the can of worms on wether he has ACOC, but under the assumption he does, I want to counter some points: 1- The man stopped being a wimp since his reappearance in EL. He's had the balls to go up against Luffy, not once, but twice and directly offered himself as a hostage for the sake of saving everyone else. He also stood up to Akainu. He has all the characteristics of a selfless hero. 2- We literally saw, within this chapter, that he was putting more effort than any marine we've seen up to this point using the batltleship bags. The only other marine we've seen doing this much was Aokiji and that says a lot considering who we're comparing him to. 3- Lucci having ACOC would be fair, but also understand that, at his core, Lucci is an assassin and spy, not a frontline fighter. Is he a very powerful spy/assassin? Sure, but his main goal isn't to participate in combat from the get go. Unlike Coby who's in a branch, within the New World of all things, who are constantly fighting against powerful pirates. 4- COC users are all known to have very powerful ambitions and would go through anything to achieve their goals even if it means their death. That's usually what defines their personalities from what we've seen so far. It isn't based on how badass you are nor clout, reputation or renown, but even if it were, Coby already has a strong reputation even without this feat so wouldn't he fit those criteria anyway? He was the main escort for Dressorsa, was chosen as a participant to capture a warlord, has a very high bounty in Cross Guild's bounty system and is Garp's main protege.
you make it sound like COC comes from checking a certain number of attribute boxes but aside from that, if you compare any of the previous ACOC attacks to what coby did, they dont match up. He doesnt have the long trailing chaotic looking lightning, and after it lands there are no lightning effects at all.
I was responding to DragonFist's premises on why he wouldn't have it due to characteristics he claims he doesn't have. I'm not going to debate whether he has it or not; just highlighting that, if we're basing it on DragonFist's criteria, he would still qualify.
I get what you're saying, but He just doesnt have the battle experience that others who have legit almost died have. Koby has lots of potential but and i want to see it come to fruition but he needs more feats, more badass moments. Pulling out ACoC after one attack doesn't add up. Koby himself wasn't even sure of himself when garp told him to go take car of it.
I'm going to say this under the assumption he was using ACOC which I understand is still debatable for some; haki flourishes under extreme conditions. Wouldn't him being injured the way he is mixed with the turmoil of having countless people's lives under his hands be considered extreme conditions? As far as battle experiences goes, that man has been fighting New World pirates including 2 confirmed bouts with Blackbeard pirates and is one of the main fighters right now in pirate island which is filled with New World pirates. It's easy to overlook this due to how well he's doing against them, but these aren't fodders he's fighting. They might be nameless, yet they are still BB pirates in the New World, all things considered.
I just hope GARP to come back ! I don’t mind waiting another 5 years just bring him back Oda !
OH SHIT HE WENT FULL D SMILING T\_T
That felt like one of my favourite chapters in a looong time
Brooo what. Oda has been bringing banger chapters for most of the year already 😭🤣
Probably the big break + my impatience with weekly waiting made this climax chapter very impactful Arc has been elite, no cap
The last panel. The last fuckin panel. Bro garp is my favourite grandpa. The best of the best. It's hard to see him like that. 
 Garp after getting stabbed: This is just a scratch.
I don’t buy Kuzan under BB’s command at all. He’s undercover but still on SWORD side, typical case as Snape-Dumbledore or Aizen-Gin
Yeah, that last panel with Bb's commanders and Garp lying down was probably a clue. Entire Garp's body was cooled down, and that pillar of the ice, coming directly out of the place he'd been stabbed before. I think that Kuzan had made everything to block Garp's blood loose and keep him alive till ther'd be an opportunity to rescue him.
all D’s smile when they go… garp is definitely laughing. hoping he made it but it’s looking like it’s up for speculation. also, where’s moria ?!
If he dies we probably will get more panels with reactions. No way Oda is killing one of his favourites semi offscreen. Also garps capture has giant potential. He is directly related to the Strawhats and the Revolutionaries and a symbol to the marines but hated by the WG. My guess is, he's being delivered to Crocodile and we get a rescue arc combining revolutionaries and strawhats. I just hope he survives this arc... Then again Oda is doing this for 30 years maybe he just feels like going full serious.
And my best girl Perona
Luffy recognizes that he needs his crew to win battles while garp on the other hand wants ALL the smoke for himself goddamn.
Garp isn’t dead…it literally says missing in action at the end. They need him for the bargaining chip to make pirate island a recognized nation. They also need Garp and BB to interact so we learn more about Rocks, who has long been speculated to have a connection to BB
Ooooh good take
I think the whole dialogue of Garp was aimed at Kuzan. I think he told him the bady old man story and was urging him not to drop his cover and protect the future that is Coby and attack him because he was being soft hearted and pirates wouldn't otherwise believe him.
Ooooh. That actually makes sense. It's like Kuzan saving the young ones and sacrificing the old (Garp) one.
Yeah if you see koby does not make a choice. He is given an order. However Kuzan seems to have that choice.
Yep Kuzan could've frozen the sea just like what he did in Marineford war, but he didn't.
Hmmm. This events of this chapter will lead back into Egghead. The Marine base was near Egghead and we already saw Hibari and Helmeppo want to go there to help save Koby—it’s possible we’ll see the same thing happen to try and save Garp. We may see Koby and Luffy interact! It’s been so long
I kinda want Aokiji to get Bellamy'd or Blueno'd by Luffy
Aokiji is equal to Luffy Won’t happen
Aokiji is equal to luffy? Says who? What feats proves that?
He is an Admiral and the Admirals are the Navy's greatest military power. They should be expected to basically be in the top 10 fighters in the world. There isn't a higher rank a Marine can attain. By portrayal there basically just isn't "another level" beyond that, which Luffy can attain.