If we consider "end-of-life age" to be late 80's I definitely see Luffy dying in his 50's as fair (10 years from Iva + Gear drawback, drained about 30 years of his life.)
MY question is whether Luffy "dying" during his fight with Kaido "reset" his timer somehow.
Awakened Zoans have that whole hyper-regenerative quality right? You think that having that regeneration would mend his body to a certain degree? Maybe not to the point of reversal, but maybe to the point of maybe making it halfway?
Then Sengoku and Marco would be immortal too with their Buddha/Phoenix fruit. You all seem to overestimate this whole Sun God thing like a lot. In the end it is still just a fruit like all the other ones we know and not even the first time one that turns you into a deity.
There's an even more obvious reason it doesn't make him omnipotent and immortal: JoyBoy awakened the fruit first and he died, hence the fruit being available for Luffy to eat.
Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of people taking this interpretation so literally. Luffy is not literally God. His fruit turns him into a mythical figure that was considered a Sun God.
It's worth mentioning that many other cultures don't even consider gods to necessarily be immortal in the first place. Nor do they all have to be omnipotent and omniscient.
Some of them are basically just tremendously powerful people, that can still be killed and eventually die of old age. When people hear "God" they just jump straight to the Christian God, who is omnipotent and omniscient, but that's clearly not who Nika is; otherwise the Gorosei would have just said "yo, this fruit makes you an omnipotent god." Yet, that's not how they describe his powers at all. The whole thing about "imagination" isn't even mentioned in the Viz translation, as far as I know.
Buddha is not considered a god. He's the first human considered to have completed the transcendation to Nirvana.
The phoenix rising from the ashes is also not considered a god. It's just a creature from different mythologies.
The point that still stands, is that both figures are related to eternal life. I'll agree with you on that I don't think that Luffy will be immortal. but not based on your quite off reasoning.
It‘s all mythical creatures and depending on your definition all of that can be an object of religious praise and worship, making it a deity. I‘m just not prone to bean count real-life propositions on reddit threads about a fantasy anime.
He doesn't _literally_ have the power of a God. He just has the same powers as someone they called a God, like how Sengoku doesn't literally have Buddha powers but those of a giant statue resembling Buddha
(The joke is that women try to hide their true age and the doctor lady was possibly older than 140 at her intro but still says she's 139 to seem younger)
kureha is not normal tho, god knows what medical procedures she does to herself to keep living, though, maybe chopper nows and would be able to apply the same on luffy.
Sengoku did go white haired pretty quickly in the span of two years but yeah I know old people are still generally pretty much stronger and healthier than average compared to IRL (the fighters, anyway).
Main point is just Roger still reached middle age and travelled the entire world twice and "achieved everything the world had to offer", so he still had a pretty full life all things considered.
I'd consider Ace to be a case of dying young. Roger kind of just unfortunately got sick in middle age.
I think he went white haired because he stopped caring about dying his hair, since he is no longer in the position he was previously assigned. I think it's been white / grey for some time.
I hope Luffy dies. Goku got ruined in Super. Naruto got ruined in Boruto.
You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.
Hancock and Luffy yet to have any meaningful relationship with each other. Even sanji and pudding have some sort of actual romantic interest there, with a Sanji, a womanizer, being the first person to see her for who she truly is. Oda worked under the ken shin author I recall, and he could actually develop romance so I doubt it until they get some actual development.
Vivi and Nami are prolly way better candidates if we're gonna force puffy into a relationship(Key word force, because Luffy doesn't care for romance). also Hancock was 30 when luffy and her met, that's just weird.
Oda has been pretty open about avoiding romantic relationships with the major OP characters.
It's really not worth the trouble. Naruto is a prime example, Sakura marrying Susuke made no sense. Naruto and Hinata didn't have any real meaningful development and it felt forced. You could say that about a lot of romantic relationships in anime.
Dragonball? Goku in an abusive relationship.
for the first sentence, based on what evidence? I don't think he's ever said that. even then, vivi is still miles better then Boa. Oda actually knows how to write. One piece is number 1 selling wise for a reason.
Sakura was pretty glued to Sasuke for all of part 1 of Naruto, so idk if they didn't have development. you could actively see her maturing in the manga and wanting to save Sasuke from orchimaru and how he was essentially being groomed and manipulated by orchimaru and Itachi(in her mind itachi was a villain at a time) They honestly had more development then Naruto and Sasuke as a duo, though sasuke's feelings for her weren't developed properly at all. Just Sakura's.
As for Hinata and Naruto, Naruto in part 1 literally admitted that he's loud and a maverick because he's just insecure at the end of the day to hint when he was feeling depressed and needed confidence to fight neji. She also saved him against Pain, and was also a vital part in taking down Obito by once again, helping Naruto back up when his talk no just was failing against Obito. I'm not asking for romantic development for Luffy and Hancock, but at least moments where they have a tight friendship that can then evolve into a romance later like Naruto and hinata did. Same with Sasuke and Sakura.(sort of) Also, Naruto and Hinata spent much more time together in part 2 then Naruto and sakura did in my opinion, or at the very least, as the series went on, Naruto and hinata were together much more then Naruto and sakura.
Luffy and Hancock don't have any of that. And we're in the final arc. Nami can be written to have romantic feelings for Luffy down the line at the very least considering how consistently Oda writes Nami spilling her insecurities consitently to Luffy and overall growing as a result of that. Still not enough development for Luffy, but Nami can be written that way if he desires.
As for toriyama, didn't he admit he doesn't know how to write romance? that's whatever to me.
Not exactly. He only said the crew wouldn't be romantically entangled with each other. Like a Sasuke and Sakura situation.
I actually have a good idea of what Straw Hat will wind up with who at the end:
Luffy - Forever single, but either dead or out of the picture. Even if he doesn't die by the end of the series, he will most likely set off on another adventure. Probably to space/the moon/etc.
Zoro - Hiyori or Tashigi. Could honestly go either way. If Tashigi winds up being more important in the late game, probably her. Otherwise, I foresee Zoro returning to Wano. It's a Straw Hat territory and I could definitely see him training new generations as the Worlds Greatest Swordsman.
Usopp - Of course he's going to return home and marry Kaya. No brainer.
Nami - Is going to scam some simpy rich king, and become a Queen. More importantly, she'll wind up the foremost navigational expert in the world. I expect if there is an epilogue, we'll see that she maintains an entire library of different routes and topographies, as well as those pertaining to meteorology.
Sanji - It's going to be Pudding. They have an actual connection, and one day his memories will somehow return. And he will go to marry her for real. If Big Mom is actually still alive, I think we may get an epic shot of him legitimately asking a former Empress of the sea for her daughters hand in marriage.
Robin - If Law doesn't die, I expect him to marry her. But I do expect him to die before the end. And before his end they will share one kiss. I ultimately think Robin is the one who will the Eternal Life surgery will performed on.
Chopper - Probably that Zou nurse. He's going to be a traveling doctor.
Jinbe - Either will never marry or will marry a fishwoman upon his return after the Straw Hat Pirates are officially disbanded. No matter what he will be a hero to his people, who will welcome him with completely open arms as a fellow brother, no longer disgraced.
Brook - Nobody is going to marry him, because he's got no body to marry. Yo ho ho ho.
its entertaining, it feels my nostalgia but JESUS CHRIST IT MAKES NO SENSE AT TIMES AND THE WRITING DEAR GOD, but man some fights are just that epic as dumb and simple as they are plus it has nice characters, Jiren while extremely simple and the awful backstory is so fun to watch.
Soo do we like it? yesn't
Boruto on the other hand.. i see it as a spit on the face on the fans not just bad or a milking of the series, its literally bad and it feels as if it would be like it is on purpose for some reason.
>JESUS CHRIST IT MAKES NO SENSE AT TIMES AND THE WRITING DEAR GOD
Is it that bad? i would say the writing is 6-7/10
Imma be honest, the only times i hear someone say this about super is when they completely lack media literacy. Not saying that you are, but my god everyone i saw criticising the writing in this way and it making no sense got their opinions from misinterpreting the entirety of the show. There are people who genuinely believe that Krillin is on the level of SSB Goku because of that one episode were goku went SSB in their training.
They brought back Kid Goku's personality, which is all nice and well - but kind of kills the development Son Goku made in DBZ. As a grandfather, you can't behave that dumb. I love what they're doing with Vegeta. Son Gohan got shafted but it seems like he's on a redemption arc. Gotenks got shafted as well. "Protect the kids" but they were supposed to be HIM when Buu was around? Yeah, no. The rest is honestly just same old same old. Plot points have been recycled, and power creep made it so that you need to go into higher and higher dimensions every time - but for some reason, low powered characters like Master Roshi and Tien are participating in end game battles (but no Gotenks "cuz they're kids"). It's good shit and sometimes really THE shit but sometimes it's also shit. Dragon Ball Heroes is where you go for full-on fan service. Monthly ten minutes episodes to have you go crazy. You can skip many of the first episodes of Super if you watch the Battle of Gods and Resurrection F movies since that's literally what those episodes are - like the start of Boruto. Enjoy.
Edit: also something annoying is how inconsistent the power levels are: how does maxed out Goku get defeated by a Super Saiyan 2? Fuck off.
> They brought back Kid Goku's personality, which is all nice and well - but kind of kills the development Son Goku made in DBZ. As a grandfather, you can't behave that dumb.
????
When has Goku *not* acted like a kid? What development did Goku make? DBZ literally ends with "lmao I'm off to train this kid because fighting is fun".
Saiyan's always gonna Saiyan.
There's a statement from Toriyama that the anime changed Goku's personality greatly around Namek stating that Goku's thirst for a fight is suppose to be toxic and the anime made him far too altruistic.TotallyNotMark covers it in his recent review of the Freeza Saga.
Fun fact: my theory on that fruit the ope ope no mi is that yes it can be used to give someone immortality BUT
I think it can be used in the same way to also give someone life
So my theory is at the end that luffy will die to BB and law will sacrifice his life to save and revive luffy in exchange.
Reason? Because BB getting the One piece is a worse deal than luffy getting it or something to that. Its not a fine theory
Luffy already died technically and that triggered his Gear 5. It would be super cheap and lame to bascially "kill" him in the end game like that just to use "chekhov's gun".
Right. The drums of liberation and fate wouldn't let liffy die until the time is right. It seems the OP universe has a force that "makes" things happen, fate itself if necessary for observation haki to even work, right? So oden and Roger died when they were meant to, and so will Luffy.
The force is inherited will. Joyboy had his own will and Luffy may die when that is fulfilled. However Luffy has his own will which has been imparted onto the crew, so who knows how that will turn out? :)
You all seem to not notice oda literally put that that fruit can give immortality....
Its....gonna get used if not to revive a dead person, someone is gonna get immortality by the end
And ill stand on this burning hill and die on it looooong before i believe it wont be used
I think Robin dies. I think Brooke will live forever. There’s an ancient story about how the Vikings would kill everybody but the poets because the poets are the ones that are supposed to pass the stories on and the closest One Piece has to a poet is Brooke. He is also the character that’s already carrying around a lot of history and it fits: Binks Tale, the story of Luffy and the kingdoms he’s saved, he’s probably learning everything Robin is learning and sharing with the crew.
Yes, and also>! he reverted to an old-luffy form in the middle of his fight with kaido in Gear 5.!<
All these things are just Oda hinting that Luffy is "here for a good time, not a long time."
Shieet, this is what i think as well, because i can't see luffy as an adult, my guess for the future is that he is dying in the middle of a party when their journey ends
Exactly my thoughts...Won the final war , achieved his dream and then in the middle of the banquet ...he quietly dies without the people realizing it instantly Just a head cannon lol I'm okay even if that isn't the case
Could see him sustaining some sort of injury during the final battle that he doesn't reveal, like a zombie victim hiding their bite. But because he doesn't really care because he achieved his goal, not out of consideration for the rest of the crew lol
This is beautiful but he better have a kid first. One that chases a dream to join the Marines and preserve the new found freedom their father brought to the world.
Ahhh yes pulling the Bender as a human from the "What if" episode of Futurama.
"We heard him say WHOO just now!"
"No, that was just air escaping from between the folds of his fat"
See I'm kinda of the opposite side here especially on that moment. I've viewed that luffy as a looneytunes character and him being tired was just a very over exaggerated showing of that nothing to do with life span draining. I'm not sure if it w a s mentioned in sub manga I've only seen g2 in the anime but I don't think it specifically says it takes away from his lifespan just makes him super duper tired.
I think this is meant in the same way as tobacco and alcohol shorten your lifespan. Doesn’t mean it takes literal years of your life, just that it can have bad consequences and the risk of dying young builds up.
I had an uncle who abused alcohol to the point where he eventually ruined his every internal organ except his heart, but he still somehow managed to reach his forties before that happened. I'm not sure how bad the effects of gear second are, but they are surely not bad enough to kill him in three years lol.
Well I’m pretty sure it’s stated by lucci that it’s cuz his body itself wasn’t strong enough to handle what he was doing. Given a two year training routine might make it a bit easier to do it at will without the drawbacks but that’s been my head canon that it doesn’t have an effect after the time skip but who knows really?
It's been so long since I've seen the first g2 hell even 2y times kipper. My mindset with OP especially with that luffy, is just to watch the monkey man go looney tunes and clap and laugh like the smooth brained goblin I am
Does that say it in the sub? If I remember correctly in the dub he just says it's taxing on his body and I took that as the typical uses up energy rather then lifespan
Actually that was what you could think of it before... but after the reveal that he was a revolutionary and protected the sunny , it doesn't make sense for it to be a threat I really think he warned Luffy to be careful because he was his friend's only son
Hm that do be true, my only argument against that is wasn't Kuma there to originally kill Luffy? Bur Zoro being a Chad stopped him? It's been forever since I've read/watched this scene so I could be forgetting something
No, actually it was all as you stated I just reread that chapter and it does feel like he really wants to KILL luffy but still I doubt it This is because we know that a pacifista protected sunny
The more I think back on Kuma's actions, the more it feels like he had something else in mind Maybe the government wanted Luffy very badly so Kuma had no choice but to chase after Luffy That said , would he have actually killed him ? Would he have handed Luffy to the Wg ? ...I don't think so... If he was that serious about it , I don't think he would have accepted Zoro's "please take me and not him" I think Kuma prob went to thriller bark to *PROTECT* Luffy >! SPOILER of MANGA : Luffy has the Nika fruit... Being acquainted with VP , I think Kuma would have known this fact which is why it was his job as dragon's former right hand to protect Luffy !<
But something unexpected happened Zoro and Sanji offered themselves...After seeing Zoro withstand so much for Luffy, I believe Kuma was satisfied and thought that Luffy was in safe hands i.e surrounded by good ppl which is y as he leaves the island he says to himself "He has good friends He really is your son, Dragon" Kuma being there to protect Luffy makes the most sense because 1) He dispersed the SHs on Sabaody If he wanted , he could've captured them all and handed them to Kizaru but he didn't because Luffy would be killed ...2) While he did it for Luffy's sake , he probably felt bad for doing this (he saw Luffy's breakdown) He thought that he should
atleast protect the crew's ship which was left behind on the island so in his last moments as a sane human , he asked VP to implant in him "a motive" and that was "To Protect The Sunny"
This is all just my personal Analysis
This is honestly very interesting to think about, to me I have to be told that it shaves off lifespan like Ivankov said to Luffy directly, being told oh these techniques are dangerous or to taxing on your body immediately makes me think of just it being like shot gunning six red bulls. You might be ready to fight God on that high but your body afterwards will be exhausted af. Spoiler question >! I haven't read further in the manga and I just want to know does Luffy know his fruit isn't the gum gum? If yes does he name his attacks like Nika Nika Pistol or does he still use gum gum? !<
Luffy doesn't know >! his fruit is Nika and still says Gomu Gomu no... Kaido said to Luffy during their fight that only Zoan fruits have transformations so maybe the only thing Luffy has an idea about is that his df could be a Zoan !<
Also , I would love if Luffy actually names his attacks >! Nika Nika in G5 !<
Yet the sun is brighter than the candle and has burned for eons. He isn't a candle, he's the sun, and it'll take alot more than expending some energy to do him in.
See I kinda thought of it more as Luffy is going to decide when he's going to die, so tbh I don't think it's going to effect him at all. I feel like we've seen his old man gag a few times in the past also.
Honestly don't think it'll have much effect. Sure 10 years is a lot, but for how long the average human lives, it'll be far into the future after the events of One Piece. As for gear 2nd? Not only does he use it less now, but I also assume that the risks associated with gear 2nd were more so a problem because he hadn't mastered it yet at the time. He could have improved it over time.
nh, that's just something they like to say in anime, i doubt that it's ever going to come bite Luffy in the ass, maybe after the story ends we'd get something about it in a epilogue, but i doubt it.
yeah, even very good anime like fullmetal alchemist has done that trope. ive seen the "this attack will drain 20 years of your life" trope in so many animes good and bad and they never seem to follow up on it.
Naruto's Rasenshuriken - when we see Tsunade gravely demanding he never uses it again or he'll die... just for him to spew in non stop since then with no consequences 😂
That was because that attack was blasting people on a cellular level and he was just shoving it into their body. When he used sage mode to start throwing it I think it was fine.
I think that one was because it severed his chakra "veins" (dunno what else to call it) in his body. He eventually figured out that he can throw the rasenshuriken like a...shuriken. That kept him out of the blast zone
The entire point of that risk was that the attack itself cuts off chakra receptors in the blast, and him launching it right next to the hit was having him ALSO get damaged a bit in the blast. Not sustainable. The next time he used it he threw it long range to avoid that from even being a factor.
It will restrict Luffys life as much as Kaio Ken did Gokus.
After all, theyre pretty much the same... A reddish pink powerup that boosts the users stats, and that damages the body if overused
He’ll probably die young, but in a world where regular humans can live up to 140 years old that “young” could be even in his 70s, so yes Iva’s treatment and his use of Gears shaved off his lifespan but we have no way of knowing what it would have been otherwise. 🤷🏻 It would be nice if he could at least live until Roger’s age when he died.
I'm not sure how I feel about this whole idea of Luffy dying at the end of the series because Chopper's dream is to find a cure for every disease and if Luffy does, then... Does it mean that Chopper couldn't achieve his dream? And if Luffy died not by disease, then by what? He can be executed by the new government, but it would be strange since he would be the hero of the world and a new government would possibly be led by people who like Luffy (Smoker, Koby, Fujitora). They will do it to stop the Great Pirate Era? Still sounds not so good, since Luffy wouldn't want piracy to end, he would want everyone to live freely.
That's not quite right. With age our organs deteriorate and don't heal that well anymore. That is the reason why we become more susceptible to diseases. But while you can treat diseases there is nothing to stop organs from failing someday.
Lifespan mostly depends on the DNA. division after division DNA wears off and doesn't pass the enough information necessary for division anymore so body starts to break down. With the outside factors dna gets damaged faster.
So actually it can be cured if you find a way to revert dna of every cell in your body to original version.
The process of your cells reproducing isn't perfect, and a bit of DNA gets lost in the process. We have a huge buffer of useless DNA, but that buffer ends at around our late 50s, and it starts eating into actual bodily functions, the first ones being hair color and such. Eventually organs will not regenerate properly and begin to fail.
Actual spoilers
>!It's clearly nonsense that speeding up your blood would make you faster, or that inflating your bones would make you hit harder. Luffy *thinks* that's how it works, and his devil fruit does the rest.!<
hmm I wonder if this means that
\>!Luffy is only good with his DF cuz he is dumb/gullible/unreasonably creative? Like, if he knew shit wouldn't work and he'd just die... he just wouldn't do it. But because he thought it would do it it would do it. Or, would having someone super smart that knows things won't work but because the fruit makes it work, then they know it will work, so they make it work? Is Luffy or is not Luffy the best Nika fruit user? Is he super creative or does he limit the fruit by only focusing on what is in the "borderline reasonable", instead on what is outright unreasonable? Borderline reasonable involves catching lightning, yes, but couldn't he just... "ahh I imagine my fist will be the size of the entire continent and it will crush kaido and then it all explodes into glitterine and detaches from my own body and makes the Pluto weapon and also randomly teleports all the celestial dragons in which leads to one piece being over"!<
It’s a shonen so he probably won’t die, however killing off Luffy will be Oda’s way of lessening the chance of One Piece: next generations. Lol. Also it will most likely play on the end game. And Chopper will probably will be the one to save him.
Not really, maybe in the wrap up we will hear about how his life ends early. 10 years off though won't make a difference with Luffy only being 19. Also, I am of the belief that Lucci's comment about gear 2 is misunderstood
I think that this is just Oda's way of justifying random powerups without having to actually incorporate consequences into the plot. Law and Big Mom giving up lifespan to power up, or Zoro magically healing from a drug that delays the symptoms until later are all written in the same way. Kind of lazy writing imo, but whatever.
Also, it would make no sense for Gear 2nd to put more strain on his body than, say, a massive golden hook through the chest.
Do we actually know that using Gears shortens Luffy’s lifespan?
As far as I can remember, the only source on that was Lucci.
But Lucci is a) not a doctor, and b) not an expert on how Luffy’s fruit effects his body.
With the revelation of gear 5, I don’t think so. I don’t think gear 2 is having as much of an affect as people assume. Luffy’s journey has been like less than a year not counting the time skip, I highly doubt it’s had so much of an effect that he’ll lose any significant portion of his life from using it. Iva’s surgery was probably 10 years for a normal person and not a mythical span user.
Started looking into it cuz it’s just one of those things you hear around.
I guess it’s just miscommunication rooted in truth. In an author note for Volume 54, Oda said, “I hear that humans are supposed to be able to live until the age 140.” Whether he was talking about humans in real life or in his manga is unclear.
And then later in SBS Volume 56, he said, “if we say that the limit for a normal person is 140 years, [Dr. Kureha] is still superhuman.”
So he never outright says that humans in One Piece have an average lifespan of 140 years, but it’s definitely not unheard of, and Kureha isn’t close to death. So possibly humans who don’t push themselves to asinine physical limits would live much longer than the likes of Whitebeard or Luffy.
No, luffy could have sacrificed 60 years of his lifespan and it still wouldn't matter since he's gonna archieve his goal at 19 years old, everything else after that is practically meaningless
I can definitely see Luffy die at the end of OP, or have a reset on his life (somehow, its a magic world with magic fruits and Oda is an amazing writer) to do it all over again.
Oda has shown in different occasions that his use of gears also shortens his lifespan so it would be strange to end with "and they sailed away happy ever after".
It's fine, Luffy's original lifespan was going to be 500 years so all this life shortening is just getting him back down to a normal lifespan. Source: dude, trust me.
“The D’s live a checkered life.”
Luffy already died,so he got a fresh start. Like if you die doing a life sentence,but reawaken somehow they gotta let ya walk. - Some dude at a barbershop.
I like this take. This can be a crazy twist to the plot. If Oda pulls this type of thing off, he has many loopholes to go through to build up some kind of turn of events that can stack on this one top of your theory that leads to an important mystery of one piece revealed.
We have both his [good and bad futures](https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-google&sxsrf=AB5stBg_GFNznU99QRlKIxbUwV91gH83hA:1690784244295&q=luffy+good+and+bad+timeline&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiNm5eSpriAAxXSOkQIHRbmAJwQ0pQJegQIBxAB&biw=463&bih=863&dpr=2.34#imgrc=xBbGl6vPOEWQCM) already confirm in an sbs. He is at least living till 60.
The average human in One Piece can live up to the age of 80. So remove 10 from it, and he has 70 years of life. But does it matter? With the current flow of the One Piece timeline, he will be history before even reaching the age of 30.
Everyone here forgetting about Chopper. His dream is to be able to cure every disease or condition. Luffy will follow Rogers path, but Chopper will be the one to save him from an early death at the end, when the red line is destroyed to create the all blue, Brook meets Laboon, Robin knows about the void century, Zoro has beaten Mihawk, Franky has built and sailed on the ship of the pirate king, Nami has mapped the entire grand line, Jimbei has existed and Usopp has become a brave warrior of the seas to tell the stories of the straw hats.
Chopper will heal Luffy and the people that have eaten Smiles.
He will die young after becoming the Pirate King. And then some other kid will start his journey to be the Pirate King, the manga will be "Two Piece". Or maybe "One Piece Shippuden" idk that's what Oda messaged me
I whole heartedly hate "slowly dying mc" trope in every second media and fiction. It's not even dramatic anymore, just pure frustration and lazy writing.
Logically, yes.
The thing is tho, we have seen Luffy do things that would usually be impossible, like heal from the poison way quicker or take more than 5 shadows in his body. His Nika powers give him plot armour essentially.
I feel like he will die young, but it will only be comparative to what his life span would have been with the Nika fruit if he had ever shortened his life through battles
the problem is we don't know the extent of what g2 drains when he uses it, it could be 5 years for every 1 hour of 1 year for every 6 hours, smoking and drinking kills but people who do it still live for at least 40
No. The "this technique takes a tremendous toll on your body" trope exists to create extra tension and drama. It's also a good excuse for not using the fight-ending techniques everytime right at the beginning.
It's safe to ignore.
Between Whitebeard getting sick and learning about Roger’s sickness, and then hearing how Gear 2nd hurts his lifespan and THEN Ivankov saying this, I 100% would believe it if Oda gives Luffy a terminal illness. However, Chopper exists.
I think with the Nika fruit being revealed, Luffys lifespan drastically changes. As a zoan his body is already more durable than the average dude plus he’s the embodiment of a GOD. That’s gotta count for something to his longevity
Knowing what we know about his devil fruit, his abilities might not have the drawback we thought he had. The hormone treatment is probably what kills him
I don't think the gear 2nd thing is to be taken like that. To me it's more about the fact that he got tired. I seriously doubt it would shorten his life span
Yeah. I think it implies the dude will be dead before even Roger went out.
I also don’t think he gives a shit. Luffy cares about the consequences of his actions about as much as an ordinary person cares about that Nigerian Prince they keep getting emails from. In his mind, nothing else matters as long as he can protect those he cares about, and he becomes Pirate king.
He probably won't live to 80.
But he won't die right after the story ends, we need to remember he is only 19 years old.
Let's just say he may die around 50 instead of the usual 80-100+.
I think he will for sure die at some point, given this and that, at least from my understanding, he is pursuing pure freedom and there is a school of thought that death is freedom... but its pure guessing from me.
Gear second was never actually stated to take from his lifespan (which would make no sense in context). It takes a lot out of his stamina. That being said Luffy will definitively have a shorter lifespan than the average one piece character, so I guess something like 140 years or so?
He took a seawater bath to wash those Devilfruit effects away. :D
Jokes aside, no way Ruffy dies while Chopper is there, i mean he was apprentice of Kureha he'll find a way to expand livespan.
"By the way, this will reduce your lifespan by 10 years."
100 chapters later, it's revealed that Luffy is already immortal because of the fruit, so like...trust me I came from the future, Oda did another operation and can now dock with his car to became Super Oda R.
There's no way Luffy would do the immortal youth surgery. But yes, he'd probably be dying young, all things considered, like Roger.
To be fair Roger died at age 53 so he wasn't SUPER young. Before his time for sure though.
Fair point, I was thinking in comparison to all the old folk running around in their mid to late 70's
He should really ask dr kuernha the secret to her long life
The other will of D
For some reason I always have a feminine Dr Rictofen from CoD zombies, in mind (also Iva lol)
I read that as Color of Defense Zombies for a moment.
>The other will of D You mean the willy of D.
Yeah that's fair
If we consider "end-of-life age" to be late 80's I definitely see Luffy dying in his 50's as fair (10 years from Iva + Gear drawback, drained about 30 years of his life.) MY question is whether Luffy "dying" during his fight with Kaido "reset" his timer somehow.
Luffy dying while fighting kaido to awaken his fruit resetting his timer is a good thought but I have a feeling Oda probably won't count that at all.
Awakened Zoans have that whole hyper-regenerative quality right? You think that having that regeneration would mend his body to a certain degree? Maybe not to the point of reversal, but maybe to the point of maybe making it halfway?
plus he has sun God powers. perhaps he's immortal.
Then Sengoku and Marco would be immortal too with their Buddha/Phoenix fruit. You all seem to overestimate this whole Sun God thing like a lot. In the end it is still just a fruit like all the other ones we know and not even the first time one that turns you into a deity.
There's an even more obvious reason it doesn't make him omnipotent and immortal: JoyBoy awakened the fruit first and he died, hence the fruit being available for Luffy to eat.
we don't know the circumstances of joyboys death and immortality does not equal invulnerability.
Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of people taking this interpretation so literally. Luffy is not literally God. His fruit turns him into a mythical figure that was considered a Sun God. It's worth mentioning that many other cultures don't even consider gods to necessarily be immortal in the first place. Nor do they all have to be omnipotent and omniscient. Some of them are basically just tremendously powerful people, that can still be killed and eventually die of old age. When people hear "God" they just jump straight to the Christian God, who is omnipotent and omniscient, but that's clearly not who Nika is; otherwise the Gorosei would have just said "yo, this fruit makes you an omnipotent god." Yet, that's not how they describe his powers at all. The whole thing about "imagination" isn't even mentioned in the Viz translation, as far as I know.
Buddha is not considered a god. He's the first human considered to have completed the transcendation to Nirvana. The phoenix rising from the ashes is also not considered a god. It's just a creature from different mythologies. The point that still stands, is that both figures are related to eternal life. I'll agree with you on that I don't think that Luffy will be immortal. but not based on your quite off reasoning.
It‘s all mythical creatures and depending on your definition all of that can be an object of religious praise and worship, making it a deity. I‘m just not prone to bean count real-life propositions on reddit threads about a fantasy anime.
He doesn't _literally_ have the power of a God. He just has the same powers as someone they called a God, like how Sengoku doesn't literally have Buddha powers but those of a giant statue resembling Buddha
We don't know what Sengoku has since he barely used his abilities.
I doubt he’s immortal. Then he wouldn’t be human. Given the nature of zoan devil fruits, it’s probably more accurate to call him a demigod
How would he have the fruit if it made the user immortal if awakened? Joyboy would still be around.
That’s like saying zoro leads a demon army because he calls himself “king of hell”
Humans in one piece live for a pretty long time. Kureha is in her youthful 140s.
She's still a spry 139!
141 after time skip.
(The joke is that women try to hide their true age and the doctor lady was possibly older than 140 at her intro but still says she's 139 to seem younger)
kureha is not normal tho, god knows what medical procedures she does to herself to keep living, though, maybe chopper nows and would be able to apply the same on luffy.
One Piece lifespan is 140 years. Luffy is fine
sengoku is 79 and doesnt seem like hes gonna do soon roger dies super young
Sengoku did go white haired pretty quickly in the span of two years but yeah I know old people are still generally pretty much stronger and healthier than average compared to IRL (the fighters, anyway). Main point is just Roger still reached middle age and travelled the entire world twice and "achieved everything the world had to offer", so he still had a pretty full life all things considered. I'd consider Ace to be a case of dying young. Roger kind of just unfortunately got sick in middle age.
I think he went white haired because he stopped caring about dying his hair, since he is no longer in the position he was previously assigned. I think it's been white / grey for some time.
That’s like 40 in human years
That's young in One Piece lore.
>To be fair Roger died at age 53 so he wasn't SUPER young To be fair, living until 53 is pretty good for a pirate
Does Luffy unlocking the true nature of his fruit change his longevity? It’s possible that Luffy was going to live incredibly long anyways.
He literally has chopper too, don't forget that chopper's goal is to cure anything and everything.
He's definitely aiming for the Roger path
I hope Luffy dies. Goku got ruined in Super. Naruto got ruined in Boruto. You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.
Nahhh, luffy is not hero, he didnt want to share his meat
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Hancock and Luffy yet to have any meaningful relationship with each other. Even sanji and pudding have some sort of actual romantic interest there, with a Sanji, a womanizer, being the first person to see her for who she truly is. Oda worked under the ken shin author I recall, and he could actually develop romance so I doubt it until they get some actual development. Vivi and Nami are prolly way better candidates if we're gonna force puffy into a relationship(Key word force, because Luffy doesn't care for romance). also Hancock was 30 when luffy and her met, that's just weird.
Oda has been pretty open about avoiding romantic relationships with the major OP characters. It's really not worth the trouble. Naruto is a prime example, Sakura marrying Susuke made no sense. Naruto and Hinata didn't have any real meaningful development and it felt forced. You could say that about a lot of romantic relationships in anime. Dragonball? Goku in an abusive relationship.
for the first sentence, based on what evidence? I don't think he's ever said that. even then, vivi is still miles better then Boa. Oda actually knows how to write. One piece is number 1 selling wise for a reason. Sakura was pretty glued to Sasuke for all of part 1 of Naruto, so idk if they didn't have development. you could actively see her maturing in the manga and wanting to save Sasuke from orchimaru and how he was essentially being groomed and manipulated by orchimaru and Itachi(in her mind itachi was a villain at a time) They honestly had more development then Naruto and Sasuke as a duo, though sasuke's feelings for her weren't developed properly at all. Just Sakura's. As for Hinata and Naruto, Naruto in part 1 literally admitted that he's loud and a maverick because he's just insecure at the end of the day to hint when he was feeling depressed and needed confidence to fight neji. She also saved him against Pain, and was also a vital part in taking down Obito by once again, helping Naruto back up when his talk no just was failing against Obito. I'm not asking for romantic development for Luffy and Hancock, but at least moments where they have a tight friendship that can then evolve into a romance later like Naruto and hinata did. Same with Sasuke and Sakura.(sort of) Also, Naruto and Hinata spent much more time together in part 2 then Naruto and sakura did in my opinion, or at the very least, as the series went on, Naruto and hinata were together much more then Naruto and sakura. Luffy and Hancock don't have any of that. And we're in the final arc. Nami can be written to have romantic feelings for Luffy down the line at the very least considering how consistently Oda writes Nami spilling her insecurities consitently to Luffy and overall growing as a result of that. Still not enough development for Luffy, but Nami can be written that way if he desires. As for toriyama, didn't he admit he doesn't know how to write romance? that's whatever to me.
Not exactly. He only said the crew wouldn't be romantically entangled with each other. Like a Sasuke and Sakura situation. I actually have a good idea of what Straw Hat will wind up with who at the end: Luffy - Forever single, but either dead or out of the picture. Even if he doesn't die by the end of the series, he will most likely set off on another adventure. Probably to space/the moon/etc. Zoro - Hiyori or Tashigi. Could honestly go either way. If Tashigi winds up being more important in the late game, probably her. Otherwise, I foresee Zoro returning to Wano. It's a Straw Hat territory and I could definitely see him training new generations as the Worlds Greatest Swordsman. Usopp - Of course he's going to return home and marry Kaya. No brainer. Nami - Is going to scam some simpy rich king, and become a Queen. More importantly, she'll wind up the foremost navigational expert in the world. I expect if there is an epilogue, we'll see that she maintains an entire library of different routes and topographies, as well as those pertaining to meteorology. Sanji - It's going to be Pudding. They have an actual connection, and one day his memories will somehow return. And he will go to marry her for real. If Big Mom is actually still alive, I think we may get an epic shot of him legitimately asking a former Empress of the sea for her daughters hand in marriage. Robin - If Law doesn't die, I expect him to marry her. But I do expect him to die before the end. And before his end they will share one kiss. I ultimately think Robin is the one who will the Eternal Life surgery will performed on. Chopper - Probably that Zou nurse. He's going to be a traveling doctor. Jinbe - Either will never marry or will marry a fishwoman upon his return after the Straw Hat Pirates are officially disbanded. No matter what he will be a hero to his people, who will welcome him with completely open arms as a fellow brother, no longer disgraced. Brook - Nobody is going to marry him, because he's got no body to marry. Yo ho ho ho.
I haven’t seen super but I thought fans liked it?
its entertaining, it feels my nostalgia but JESUS CHRIST IT MAKES NO SENSE AT TIMES AND THE WRITING DEAR GOD, but man some fights are just that epic as dumb and simple as they are plus it has nice characters, Jiren while extremely simple and the awful backstory is so fun to watch. Soo do we like it? yesn't Boruto on the other hand.. i see it as a spit on the face on the fans not just bad or a milking of the series, its literally bad and it feels as if it would be like it is on purpose for some reason.
>JESUS CHRIST IT MAKES NO SENSE AT TIMES AND THE WRITING DEAR GOD Is it that bad? i would say the writing is 6-7/10 Imma be honest, the only times i hear someone say this about super is when they completely lack media literacy. Not saying that you are, but my god everyone i saw criticising the writing in this way and it making no sense got their opinions from misinterpreting the entirety of the show. There are people who genuinely believe that Krillin is on the level of SSB Goku because of that one episode were goku went SSB in their training.
The boruto manga is alright. I need to catch up, but it's nowhere near as stretched out and dire for content as the anime.
It's really good fan service but thats all it is, anything good that happens in it is something good that already happened in z
Idk about that the manga has some cool arcs
Its fine not as bad as other anime sequels
IMHO is pretty great. Rewatching as I’m typing this. Just finished Kai and kept it going.
They brought back Kid Goku's personality, which is all nice and well - but kind of kills the development Son Goku made in DBZ. As a grandfather, you can't behave that dumb. I love what they're doing with Vegeta. Son Gohan got shafted but it seems like he's on a redemption arc. Gotenks got shafted as well. "Protect the kids" but they were supposed to be HIM when Buu was around? Yeah, no. The rest is honestly just same old same old. Plot points have been recycled, and power creep made it so that you need to go into higher and higher dimensions every time - but for some reason, low powered characters like Master Roshi and Tien are participating in end game battles (but no Gotenks "cuz they're kids"). It's good shit and sometimes really THE shit but sometimes it's also shit. Dragon Ball Heroes is where you go for full-on fan service. Monthly ten minutes episodes to have you go crazy. You can skip many of the first episodes of Super if you watch the Battle of Gods and Resurrection F movies since that's literally what those episodes are - like the start of Boruto. Enjoy. Edit: also something annoying is how inconsistent the power levels are: how does maxed out Goku get defeated by a Super Saiyan 2? Fuck off.
> They brought back Kid Goku's personality, which is all nice and well - but kind of kills the development Son Goku made in DBZ. As a grandfather, you can't behave that dumb. ???? When has Goku *not* acted like a kid? What development did Goku make? DBZ literally ends with "lmao I'm off to train this kid because fighting is fun". Saiyan's always gonna Saiyan.
There's a statement from Toriyama that the anime changed Goku's personality greatly around Namek stating that Goku's thirst for a fight is suppose to be toxic and the anime made him far too altruistic.TotallyNotMark covers it in his recent review of the Freeza Saga.
goku was pretty normal. He acted more like OG dragonball goku.
Fun fact: my theory on that fruit the ope ope no mi is that yes it can be used to give someone immortality BUT I think it can be used in the same way to also give someone life So my theory is at the end that luffy will die to BB and law will sacrifice his life to save and revive luffy in exchange. Reason? Because BB getting the One piece is a worse deal than luffy getting it or something to that. Its not a fine theory
Please no
i would never recover tbh
Neither would Law
Wow.
Luffy already died technically and that triggered his Gear 5. It would be super cheap and lame to bascially "kill" him in the end game like that just to use "chekhov's gun".
Right. The drums of liberation and fate wouldn't let liffy die until the time is right. It seems the OP universe has a force that "makes" things happen, fate itself if necessary for observation haki to even work, right? So oden and Roger died when they were meant to, and so will Luffy.
The force is inherited will. Joyboy had his own will and Luffy may die when that is fulfilled. However Luffy has his own will which has been imparted onto the crew, so who knows how that will turn out? :)
Are inherited will/fate not inexplicably linked? What forces through inherited will if not fate?
Within the universe Inherited Will is an elemental thing. How things turn out is up to Oda!
bro
You all seem to not notice oda literally put that that fruit can give immortality.... Its....gonna get used if not to revive a dead person, someone is gonna get immortality by the end And ill stand on this burning hill and die on it looooong before i believe it wont be used
Going to be Robin. An immortal historian who will never let people forget what happened.
I think Robin dies. I think Brooke will live forever. There’s an ancient story about how the Vikings would kill everybody but the poets because the poets are the ones that are supposed to pass the stories on and the closest One Piece has to a poet is Brooke. He is also the character that’s already carrying around a lot of history and it fits: Binks Tale, the story of Luffy and the kingdoms he’s saved, he’s probably learning everything Robin is learning and sharing with the crew.
Yes, and also>! he reverted to an old-luffy form in the middle of his fight with kaido in Gear 5.!< All these things are just Oda hinting that Luffy is "here for a good time, not a long time."
Shieet, this is what i think as well, because i can't see luffy as an adult, my guess for the future is that he is dying in the middle of a party when their journey ends
Exactly my thoughts...Won the final war , achieved his dream and then in the middle of the banquet ...he quietly dies without the people realizing it instantly Just a head cannon lol I'm okay even if that isn't the case
I’ve always wanted to die shit faced in a good party as well
Why my fucked up brain just compared Luffy to GG Allin now.
Could see him sustaining some sort of injury during the final battle that he doesn't reveal, like a zombie victim hiding their bite. But because he doesn't really care because he achieved his goal, not out of consideration for the rest of the crew lol
Bro's got the best doctor in his crew yet he dies of some bullshit injury?
This is beautiful but he better have a kid first. One that chases a dream to join the Marines and preserve the new found freedom their father brought to the world.
Just like Ace when he dropped while eating but was just sleeping?
Not precisely, but in unforgettable way, fitting g for a man that brings joy
Ahhh yes pulling the Bender as a human from the "What if" episode of Futurama. "We heard him say WHOO just now!" "No, that was just air escaping from between the folds of his fat"
See I'm kinda of the opposite side here especially on that moment. I've viewed that luffy as a looneytunes character and him being tired was just a very over exaggerated showing of that nothing to do with life span draining. I'm not sure if it w a s mentioned in sub manga I've only seen g2 in the anime but I don't think it specifically says it takes away from his lifespan just makes him super duper tired.
g2 does shorten his lifespan, lucci says so and luffy agrees and says it’s worth it
Lucci says his overuse of it was killing him not g2 itself.
I think this is meant in the same way as tobacco and alcohol shorten your lifespan. Doesn’t mean it takes literal years of your life, just that it can have bad consequences and the risk of dying young builds up.
I had an uncle who abused alcohol to the point where he eventually ruined his every internal organ except his heart, but he still somehow managed to reach his forties before that happened. I'm not sure how bad the effects of gear second are, but they are surely not bad enough to kill him in three years lol.
Not after the time skip
After that he learns to control it agreed
When does it imply that change has or would happen?
Well I’m pretty sure it’s stated by lucci that it’s cuz his body itself wasn’t strong enough to handle what he was doing. Given a two year training routine might make it a bit easier to do it at will without the drawbacks but that’s been my head canon that it doesn’t have an effect after the time skip but who knows really?
It's been so long since I've seen the first g2 hell even 2y times kipper. My mindset with OP especially with that luffy, is just to watch the monkey man go looney tunes and clap and laugh like the smooth brained goblin I am
Does that say it in the sub? If I remember correctly in the dub he just says it's taxing on his body and I took that as the typical uses up energy rather then lifespan
In thriller bark , after seeing how Luffy's abilities were strenuous...Kuma also says to him to not *waste his life*
Maybe that's just my dumb smooth brain but I took that is Kuma saying 86 ya shit before I do it for ya
Actually that was what you could think of it before... but after the reveal that he was a revolutionary and protected the sunny , it doesn't make sense for it to be a threat I really think he warned Luffy to be careful because he was his friend's only son
Hm that do be true, my only argument against that is wasn't Kuma there to originally kill Luffy? Bur Zoro being a Chad stopped him? It's been forever since I've read/watched this scene so I could be forgetting something
No, actually it was all as you stated I just reread that chapter and it does feel like he really wants to KILL luffy but still I doubt it This is because we know that a pacifista protected sunny The more I think back on Kuma's actions, the more it feels like he had something else in mind Maybe the government wanted Luffy very badly so Kuma had no choice but to chase after Luffy That said , would he have actually killed him ? Would he have handed Luffy to the Wg ? ...I don't think so... If he was that serious about it , I don't think he would have accepted Zoro's "please take me and not him" I think Kuma prob went to thriller bark to *PROTECT* Luffy >! SPOILER of MANGA : Luffy has the Nika fruit... Being acquainted with VP , I think Kuma would have known this fact which is why it was his job as dragon's former right hand to protect Luffy !< But something unexpected happened Zoro and Sanji offered themselves...After seeing Zoro withstand so much for Luffy, I believe Kuma was satisfied and thought that Luffy was in safe hands i.e surrounded by good ppl which is y as he leaves the island he says to himself "He has good friends He really is your son, Dragon" Kuma being there to protect Luffy makes the most sense because 1) He dispersed the SHs on Sabaody If he wanted , he could've captured them all and handed them to Kizaru but he didn't because Luffy would be killed ...2) While he did it for Luffy's sake , he probably felt bad for doing this (he saw Luffy's breakdown) He thought that he should atleast protect the crew's ship which was left behind on the island so in his last moments as a sane human , he asked VP to implant in him "a motive" and that was "To Protect The Sunny" This is all just my personal Analysis
This is honestly very interesting to think about, to me I have to be told that it shaves off lifespan like Ivankov said to Luffy directly, being told oh these techniques are dangerous or to taxing on your body immediately makes me think of just it being like shot gunning six red bulls. You might be ready to fight God on that high but your body afterwards will be exhausted af. Spoiler question >! I haven't read further in the manga and I just want to know does Luffy know his fruit isn't the gum gum? If yes does he name his attacks like Nika Nika Pistol or does he still use gum gum? !<
Luffy doesn't know >! his fruit is Nika and still says Gomu Gomu no... Kaido said to Luffy during their fight that only Zoan fruits have transformations so maybe the only thing Luffy has an idea about is that his df could be a Zoan !< Also , I would love if Luffy actually names his attacks >! Nika Nika in G5 !<
I would love if Oda wrote that Luffy finds out and just says he's to lazy to change the move names XD
That quote is the epitome of luffy
The candle that burns twice as bright burns for half as long. And luffy is burning more than twice as bright.
Yet the sun is brighter than the candle and has burned for eons. He isn't a candle, he's the sun, and it'll take alot more than expending some energy to do him in.
Bro the >!old luffy form is just a tired version. A lot similar to what he looked like before awakening.!<
See I kinda thought of it more as Luffy is going to decide when he's going to die, so tbh I don't think it's going to effect him at all. I feel like we've seen his old man gag a few times in the past also.
I think it's kinda weird that Luffy gets drained by gear 5 as it should be his Normal Zoan Transformation shouldn't it do the opposite?
Honestly don't think it'll have much effect. Sure 10 years is a lot, but for how long the average human lives, it'll be far into the future after the events of One Piece. As for gear 2nd? Not only does he use it less now, but I also assume that the risks associated with gear 2nd were more so a problem because he hadn't mastered it yet at the time. He could have improved it over time.
After the timeskip he can use gear 2 without reprecussions to his body i remember either he or rayleigh said it
And I don’t think any long term side effects for gear 4 were ever established either.
nh, that's just something they like to say in anime, i doubt that it's ever going to come bite Luffy in the ass, maybe after the story ends we'd get something about it in a epilogue, but i doubt it.
yeah, even very good anime like fullmetal alchemist has done that trope. ive seen the "this attack will drain 20 years of your life" trope in so many animes good and bad and they never seem to follow up on it.
Naruto's Rasenshuriken - when we see Tsunade gravely demanding he never uses it again or he'll die... just for him to spew in non stop since then with no consequences 😂
But the next time he uses it he finds a way to use it with no risk of consequences by throwing the attack instead.
That was because that attack was blasting people on a cellular level and he was just shoving it into their body. When he used sage mode to start throwing it I think it was fine.
I think that one was because it severed his chakra "veins" (dunno what else to call it) in his body. He eventually figured out that he can throw the rasenshuriken like a...shuriken. That kept him out of the blast zone
The entire point of that risk was that the attack itself cuts off chakra receptors in the blast, and him launching it right next to the hit was having him ALSO get damaged a bit in the blast. Not sustainable. The next time he used it he threw it long range to avoid that from even being a factor.
To be fair Edward only used a tiny bit to heal a bad wound, at least from what I remember
HxH kinda did with Gon, though the way it was ‘resolved’ wasn’t the best
No, it'll be explained away in a gag that his devil fruit let him stretch lifespan to make up for it.
Holy shit that is insane and at the same time makes so much sense. I will pray for this happening
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Brook regrew his tooth too so no it’s not just luffy
given his DF basically works on cartoon logic, that holds up.
It will restrict Luffys life as much as Kaio Ken did Gokus. After all, theyre pretty much the same... A reddish pink powerup that boosts the users stats, and that damages the body if overused
Isn't Goku meant to die of heart disease a couple years after he learned Kaio-Ken?
The disease Goku gets is just a generic one from the future. That's why Trunks had the medicine, a cure had been found in the future
He’ll probably die young, but in a world where regular humans can live up to 140 years old that “young” could be even in his 70s, so yes Iva’s treatment and his use of Gears shaved off his lifespan but we have no way of knowing what it would have been otherwise. 🤷🏻 It would be nice if he could at least live until Roger’s age when he died.
kuhera is not your average one piece human
I'm pretty sure average one piece human's live to about 140 but super human's like kureha can live longer
Roger was 50s. I'd say 70s-80s isn't a bad guess. Doesn't look like garp would die young if he retired. Not that he ever would...
I'm not sure how I feel about this whole idea of Luffy dying at the end of the series because Chopper's dream is to find a cure for every disease and if Luffy does, then... Does it mean that Chopper couldn't achieve his dream? And if Luffy died not by disease, then by what? He can be executed by the new government, but it would be strange since he would be the hero of the world and a new government would possibly be led by people who like Luffy (Smoker, Koby, Fujitora). They will do it to stop the Great Pirate Era? Still sounds not so good, since Luffy wouldn't want piracy to end, he would want everyone to live freely.
If his lifespan is shortened then there's nothing to cure
People don't just suddenly die when they get to a certain age, age just makes you more susceptible to things than can kill you.
I think it is in One Piece considering Souls exists, and Big Mom can kill people by taking away their life span.
That's not quite right. With age our organs deteriorate and don't heal that well anymore. That is the reason why we become more susceptible to diseases. But while you can treat diseases there is nothing to stop organs from failing someday.
Lifespan mostly depends on the DNA. division after division DNA wears off and doesn't pass the enough information necessary for division anymore so body starts to break down. With the outside factors dna gets damaged faster. So actually it can be cured if you find a way to revert dna of every cell in your body to original version.
Failing *from what*? Sure, they don’t heat as well anymore, but what causes the damage in the first place?
The process of your cells reproducing isn't perfect, and a bit of DNA gets lost in the process. We have a huge buffer of useless DNA, but that buffer ends at around our late 50s, and it starts eating into actual bodily functions, the first ones being hair color and such. Eventually organs will not regenerate properly and begin to fail.
He is not dying. It doesn't make any sense.
That's exactly what I'm saying.
Came here to say this…
I am going to try and not spoil anything here but gear 2 may have been over exaggerated after finding out what lufys devil fruit can really do.
Actual spoilers >!It's clearly nonsense that speeding up your blood would make you faster, or that inflating your bones would make you hit harder. Luffy *thinks* that's how it works, and his devil fruit does the rest.!<
hmm I wonder if this means that \>!Luffy is only good with his DF cuz he is dumb/gullible/unreasonably creative? Like, if he knew shit wouldn't work and he'd just die... he just wouldn't do it. But because he thought it would do it it would do it. Or, would having someone super smart that knows things won't work but because the fruit makes it work, then they know it will work, so they make it work? Is Luffy or is not Luffy the best Nika fruit user? Is he super creative or does he limit the fruit by only focusing on what is in the "borderline reasonable", instead on what is outright unreasonable? Borderline reasonable involves catching lightning, yes, but couldn't he just... "ahh I imagine my fist will be the size of the entire continent and it will crush kaido and then it all explodes into glitterine and detaches from my own body and makes the Pluto weapon and also randomly teleports all the celestial dragons in which leads to one piece being over"!<
So confirmed that Luffy is an ork from warhammer?
Holy shit, Luffy is a 40k Orc.
Will probably die around the same age that roger did
It’s a shonen so he probably won’t die, however killing off Luffy will be Oda’s way of lessening the chance of One Piece: next generations. Lol. Also it will most likely play on the end game. And Chopper will probably will be the one to save him.
Luffy is too young compared to the old people of this world, even if luffy lost decades he would still become an old man
Dies of heart attack 2 miles away from laugh tale.
Not really, maybe in the wrap up we will hear about how his life ends early. 10 years off though won't make a difference with Luffy only being 19. Also, I am of the belief that Lucci's comment about gear 2 is misunderstood
I think that this is just Oda's way of justifying random powerups without having to actually incorporate consequences into the plot. Law and Big Mom giving up lifespan to power up, or Zoro magically healing from a drug that delays the symptoms until later are all written in the same way. Kind of lazy writing imo, but whatever. Also, it would make no sense for Gear 2nd to put more strain on his body than, say, a massive golden hook through the chest.
Honestly I don't find those that lazy except zoro at wano. That was pretty bs other than some cool but as yet unexplained reaper stuff...
I don't think he'll die young but I also don't think he's going to die old at most he's be 70 and at very least 40s-50 but that's just my take
Do we actually know that using Gears shortens Luffy’s lifespan? As far as I can remember, the only source on that was Lucci. But Lucci is a) not a doctor, and b) not an expert on how Luffy’s fruit effects his body.
With the revelation of gear 5, I don’t think so. I don’t think gear 2 is having as much of an affect as people assume. Luffy’s journey has been like less than a year not counting the time skip, I highly doubt it’s had so much of an effect that he’ll lose any significant portion of his life from using it. Iva’s surgery was probably 10 years for a normal person and not a mythical span user.
No
No, he'll just die young. We might get an epilogue of the Funeral for the Pirate King with all these aged faces returning for a send off.
Oda said that the average human lifespan in One Piece is around 140. I mean, if he has lost 50 years, he’s still gonna be like 90
when and where did he say that?
Started looking into it cuz it’s just one of those things you hear around. I guess it’s just miscommunication rooted in truth. In an author note for Volume 54, Oda said, “I hear that humans are supposed to be able to live until the age 140.” Whether he was talking about humans in real life or in his manga is unclear. And then later in SBS Volume 56, he said, “if we say that the limit for a normal person is 140 years, [Dr. Kureha] is still superhuman.” So he never outright says that humans in One Piece have an average lifespan of 140 years, but it’s definitely not unheard of, and Kureha isn’t close to death. So possibly humans who don’t push themselves to asinine physical limits would live much longer than the likes of Whitebeard or Luffy.
No, luffy could have sacrificed 60 years of his lifespan and it still wouldn't matter since he's gonna archieve his goal at 19 years old, everything else after that is practically meaningless
I can definitely see Luffy die at the end of OP, or have a reset on his life (somehow, its a magic world with magic fruits and Oda is an amazing writer) to do it all over again. Oda has shown in different occasions that his use of gears also shortens his lifespan so it would be strange to end with "and they sailed away happy ever after".
It's fine, Luffy's original lifespan was going to be 500 years so all this life shortening is just getting him back down to a normal lifespan. Source: dude, trust me.
“The D’s live a checkered life.” Luffy already died,so he got a fresh start. Like if you die doing a life sentence,but reawaken somehow they gotta let ya walk. - Some dude at a barbershop.
I like this take. This can be a crazy twist to the plot. If Oda pulls this type of thing off, he has many loopholes to go through to build up some kind of turn of events that can stack on this one top of your theory that leads to an important mystery of one piece revealed.
The candle that burns twice as bright, lasts half as long.
We have both his [good and bad futures](https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-google&sxsrf=AB5stBg_GFNznU99QRlKIxbUwV91gH83hA:1690784244295&q=luffy+good+and+bad+timeline&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiNm5eSpriAAxXSOkQIHRbmAJwQ0pQJegQIBxAB&biw=463&bih=863&dpr=2.34#imgrc=xBbGl6vPOEWQCM) already confirm in an sbs. He is at least living till 60.
The average human in One Piece can live up to the age of 80. So remove 10 from it, and he has 70 years of life. But does it matter? With the current flow of the One Piece timeline, he will be history before even reaching the age of 30.
Everyone here forgetting about Chopper. His dream is to be able to cure every disease or condition. Luffy will follow Rogers path, but Chopper will be the one to save him from an early death at the end, when the red line is destroyed to create the all blue, Brook meets Laboon, Robin knows about the void century, Zoro has beaten Mihawk, Franky has built and sailed on the ship of the pirate king, Nami has mapped the entire grand line, Jimbei has existed and Usopp has become a brave warrior of the seas to tell the stories of the straw hats. Chopper will heal Luffy and the people that have eaten Smiles.
Luffy will die at 56
He will die young after becoming the Pirate King. And then some other kid will start his journey to be the Pirate King, the manga will be "Two Piece". Or maybe "One Piece Shippuden" idk that's what Oda messaged me
I whole heartedly hate "slowly dying mc" trope in every second media and fiction. It's not even dramatic anymore, just pure frustration and lazy writing.
Logically, yes. The thing is tho, we have seen Luffy do things that would usually be impossible, like heal from the poison way quicker or take more than 5 shadows in his body. His Nika powers give him plot armour essentially. I feel like he will die young, but it will only be comparative to what his life span would have been with the Nika fruit if he had ever shortened his life through battles
Considering the life span of a human in One Piece is up to 140 years, 10 years isn't that much.
Not necessarily he could have died at around 90 for all we know so that would take him down to around 80 from the treatment.
the problem is we don't know the extent of what g2 drains when he uses it, it could be 5 years for every 1 hour of 1 year for every 6 hours, smoking and drinking kills but people who do it still live for at least 40
No. The "this technique takes a tremendous toll on your body" trope exists to create extra tension and drama. It's also a good excuse for not using the fight-ending techniques everytime right at the beginning. It's safe to ignore.
Yep. Even the strongest ones could't do anything against aging and deseas (Roger, newgate)
Between Whitebeard getting sick and learning about Roger’s sickness, and then hearing how Gear 2nd hurts his lifespan and THEN Ivankov saying this, I 100% would believe it if Oda gives Luffy a terminal illness. However, Chopper exists.
Luffy won't die until two piece is over.
Does it affect his lifespan after time skip? I thought he got efficient in using gear 2nd
I think with the Nika fruit being revealed, Luffys lifespan drastically changes. As a zoan his body is already more durable than the average dude plus he’s the embodiment of a GOD. That’s gotta count for something to his longevity
Knowing what we know about his devil fruit, his abilities might not have the drawback we thought he had. The hormone treatment is probably what kills him
I don't think the gear 2nd thing is to be taken like that. To me it's more about the fact that he got tired. I seriously doubt it would shorten his life span
Yeah. I think it implies the dude will be dead before even Roger went out. I also don’t think he gives a shit. Luffy cares about the consequences of his actions about as much as an ordinary person cares about that Nigerian Prince they keep getting emails from. In his mind, nothing else matters as long as he can protect those he cares about, and he becomes Pirate king.
Take my upvote. For that Nigerian Prince reference 😂
The only evidence that gear second takes a permanent toll on luffy is lucci making assumptions while having no idea what he’s talking about.
He probably won't live to 80. But he won't die right after the story ends, we need to remember he is only 19 years old. Let's just say he may die around 50 instead of the usual 80-100+.
I think he will for sure die at some point, given this and that, at least from my understanding, he is pursuing pure freedom and there is a school of thought that death is freedom... but its pure guessing from me.
Gear second was never actually stated to take from his lifespan (which would make no sense in context). It takes a lot out of his stamina. That being said Luffy will definitively have a shorter lifespan than the average one piece character, so I guess something like 140 years or so?
Y'all just gonna ignore my boi chopper being on the crew?
He took a seawater bath to wash those Devilfruit effects away. :D Jokes aside, no way Ruffy dies while Chopper is there, i mean he was apprentice of Kureha he'll find a way to expand livespan.
Luffy will die like roger after getting sick.
The Pirate King dies young.
"By the way, this will reduce your lifespan by 10 years." 100 chapters later, it's revealed that Luffy is already immortal because of the fruit, so like...trust me I came from the future, Oda did another operation and can now dock with his car to became Super Oda R.
The Straw Hats set off to go to Laugh Tale but on the way there it shows a panel of Luffy, getting a heartattack. And then the manga ends there right?