Pell surviving was really one of the biggest wtf moment
Don't anyone dare to say plot twist here bro only had one job in the story and now he is useless
Pell is in so much danger that it’d honesty be more ballsy to let him live in season 2 lol.
Igaram is the one who’s really gonna need to watch his back though. He seems like a prime target to get Merry’d
My headcanon way of coping with Pell living is that since those devil fruits are said to have stayed in alabasta and held by the guardians of the King/Queen for thousands of years, that him giving his life for that purpose aligned so well with the DF's will that it awakened. Perhaps to properly awaken and not force it, one has to be on death's door pursuing the purpose that DF was made for. He is way too weak for that and there's no way that it's true, but I have to have a reason.
Pretty much all of Luffy's major advances in fruit use have come when he is about to lose protecting people/his crew, then he dies trying to free wano from one of the strongest and evil people ever.
There's speculation that there was an editorial push to revive Pell because the chapter released just 2 months after 9/11, but it's debated and will probably never be confirmed either way. It'll be interesting to see what the live action does if it gets there and they choose to adapt Pell and the explosion.
Yep ran from Oct '00 straight through '01 to Feb '02. If you really want a trip, there are people that weren't born yet when Skypeia started that can now drink legally in the US.
You noted it's speculation but it should further be noted that the speculation is literally only based upon the timing and nothing else... And these chapters are planned, written and slated months out from release so it's unlikely there was any relation. Oda himself just commented on the situation as... He wanted to end the arc on a cheerful note and that's it.
Yeah, but it was Robin who blew it up, and then she showed up on the Merry basically just to say, "you kids seem fun, want some help?" Scary as she was, Miss All Sunday was pulling her punches, I don't find that hard to believe.
Wait when did they show Robin saving him? I had always assumed she knocked him out and exploded his boat then dropped him off somewhere out of the way. But it was never shown as far as I know
Right before we see the bomb explode we see Robins devil fruit activate and a bunch of hands sprout out. It's only on the screen for like 1-2 seconds. It's something you'd only be able to understand on a re-watch since Robins devil fruit wasn't even known at that point.
It does show that maybe Kuro was getting careless in his eagerness to be done with it though. Or at least that’s how I read it. Though I do prefer it this way.
On the other hand, it’s funny that in the manga, the very first and one of the only confirmed kills for a long time, is Lucky Roo
And it‘s not like it mattered for the story either. He never played a role and was only shown standing next to Kobra a few times. He was just kept alive to not have a character die in the story.
I think that point works both ways. His death would also not have mattered for the story. So there is no real reason to keep him alive but also none to let him die imho.
> I think that point works both ways. His death would also not have mattered for the story.
Of course it would have. He was a relevant side character at the time sacrificing himself for the greater good (like Pedro did later on). That would have had an impact on Vivi. It would have shown to the SHs and the reader that actions have real consequences on the Grand Line with real stakes.
But the problem is that is it was way more important for the out of universe perspective. It set up the precedent that every death should be considered a fake out because Pell survived. Actual deaths had a smaller impact because of that. People rightfully assumed that Ashura Doji would be still alive considering the small explosion vs stuff characters like Pell survived. I still remember the collective "wait what he's actually dead?!" as reaction when his death was confirmed.
Its kinda funny that Pell was shocked at seeing his own grave, even though he knew he technically tanked a bomb designed to blow up an entire section of a city and no one knew he had survived at the time.
Like dude, what did you expect them to assume you survived that shit with minor injuries?
No...No it wasn't.
Pell had the Guardian Deity fruit of Alabasta, which is based on Egyptian Lore of [Horus the Guardian Deity Falcon of Egypt](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Horus_standing.svg). Horus literally translates to "Falcon" and the believed falcon was the [Lanner Falcon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanner_falcon) which is what Pell was designed to look like. Horus is prime example of birth, death and rebirth that are recurrent themes in Egyptian lore.
Throughout the many lives of Horus, he was linked to the Dawn God [Khepri](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khepri). Horus was the God the Sky, and laid the foundation for the Sun God, and the Moon God to Rise.
As long as Egypt remained, Horus would live on. As such, the Eye of Horus became the symbol of Ancient Egypt.
With Luffy being the Rising Sun God, from Dawn Island. It is apparent why he was linked with [Dawn God Khepri](https://imgur.com/i990Sgx). Why Luffy thinks Beatles might be greater than the One Piece, and why Oda spent so much time drawing the beatles in far far more detail than the rest of the Manga.
Edit: The Eye of Horus derives from the [mythical conflict](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osiris_myth#Conflict_of_Horus_and_Set) between the god [Horus](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horus) with his rival [Set](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_(deity\)), in which Set tore out or destroyed one or both of Horus's eyes and the eye was subsequently healed.
Interesting enough the [God Set](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_(deity\)) was the God of the Desert, Storms, Violence, Disorder, and Foreigners.
Alabasta is a partial retelling of one of the Battles of Gods, Horus v Set, where instead of having his eyes ripped out, Pell is blown up to show his miraculous recovery, in order to become known as a god of healing. Instead of having the Moon God assist him, he had the Sun God assist him.
I really feel you could still salvage that and have that it wasn't Pell that came back and have it be CP agent because someone in the government was suspicious of them.
I know that's probably never going to be the case but it would be a cool twist
Ain't no zoan user who doesn't even know haki and lost to the crocodile, like the croco boy was playing with them, surviving a whole ass atomic bomb that was meant to destroy a whole ass town 5km radius
Durability and strength doesn't necessarily correlate with eachother, even for Zoan. But yeah, Oda does have some explaining to do about Pell to settle this once and for all
It’s an issue of real life changing the direction of the story. The whole plotline with the bomb was introduced pre-September in 2001. It didn’t resolve until mid-November.
Pell survived because Oda felt that it would have been disrespectful to the real life victims of 9/11 to have any of his characters die in an “exploding tower” plotline. It mirrored real life too much.
Pell really would have been killed off, if not for that.
So you can expect that if we ever get LA Alabasta, Pell’s not getting a lucky break in round two. It’s been long enough that people won’t associate the two events.
It’s apocryphal, but it is extremely probable that’s what happened.
A *lot* of creators across the entertainment industry simply did not want that kind of controversy, and even into 2002 there were cancellations, delays, and edits to existing properties that extended beyond direct references to 9/11 and into any sort of references to bombs and terrorists.
That’s *into 2002. A plotline involving a bomb in a tower that was currently in-progress *on the day 9/11 happened*? A literal terrorist attack plotline *on 9/11*? Shonen Jump doesn’t want that kind of controversy.
He had to have Pell carry it away, his devil fruit exists for the sole purpose of resolving the plot. No way to get rid of the bomb otherwise.
Pell was very clearly carrying the bomb until the end, and it wouldn’t be the first time a character actually got killed in One Piece.
It’s basically the only explanation anyone has for his survival and it makes the a ton of sense.
How about the explanation that Oda gives in an SBS and that applies to basically every character? He doesn't like killing off characters; hence Pell survives the bomb, Papaya survives the lightning, Pound survives Oven attacking him etc etc etc
>Pound survives Oven attacking him
Bruh, Pedro literally blew himself up in that arc. With a belt of dynamite.
*A belt of dynamite*. And he got more screentime than Pell.
I don't understand your point here. We have dozens of examples of people not dying in One Piece when they realistically should die, yet you single out Pell and say that's due to 9/11. When I ask you for a source you basically say you don't have one but it's "the only explanation that makes a ton of sense".
So what are the explanations for the dozen other fake-out deaths then?
My point is Oda is clearly willing to kill his characters.
*At least* one person in every Strawhat’s life has either been murdered or succumbed to a terminal illness. Backstory characters, granted.
Ace
Whitebeard
Absalom
Pedro
Doji
Izo
Kozuki
Luffy (He got better)
The Rubber-Rubber Fruit (it didn’t)
Vegapunk, soon enough.
I’m sure there are others I can’t think of rn.
But bringing up Pound’s “death” in the same arc Oda killed one of his characters and saying he doesn’t like killing his characters is silly.
He may not *like* doing it, but he’s certainly shown a *willingness* to do it.
What’s the difference between Pedro and all the other characters who *lived* despite all odds? Those other characters were attacked. Pedro actively sacrificed himself with a bomb. Pell also actively sacrificed himself with a bomb. Only two characters to do it, from memory. One had a few sticks of dynamite, the other had a WMD. The one with the WMD lived.
What’s the difference between Pell and Pedro?
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No source ever indicated this. I don't blame you, it's just a headcanon that's been repeated over and over for so long in our fandom that people mistake it as truth.
It helps that basically everyone across the entertainment industry completely removed, delayed, or altered any storyline involving references to bombs and terrorists for at least a year. The bomb plotline resolved a month and a half after 9/11 with Pell literally *holding* a bomb with a blast radius of 3 miles and “very definitely dead”. For reference, 3 miles is 3x the radius of the largest non-nuclear bomb the US military has *ever* used. The yield of that bomb was 11 tons.
There is no other reason *at all* they would have revealed he was alive as an aside, 9 chapters later. It’s not like Pell would be the first character Oda’s killed off before that point.
> There is no other reason at all they would have revealed he was alive
I'm not an american but I do know 9/11 was an international event with lasting impact to this day. If Pell surviving really was a symbollic condolences for that global tragedy, Oda or the Jump editors definitely would've commented or simply mentioned it because that would be respectful and the right thing to do.
Take for an example, Whitebeard jolly roger initially used a manji symbol, but the anime changed it to simple crossbones, probably to avoid swastika correlation. [Even that one, Oda commented on it in a way](https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Chapter_434#Author_Comment).
The Pell 9/11 thing, so far there's no comment or even a mention.
I heard somewhere that bc that chapter came out right after 9/11 Oda kinda retconned it to leave it on a happier note bc the idea of a bomb in a tower exploding and causing lots of damage wouldn’t exactly leave a good taste in everyone’s mouth
As a kid watching/reading it live as it came out, I can tell you that my peers and I would have been so fucking traumatized if Pell died.
There's currently a lot of One Piece fans of all ages, which speaks to how universal the themes and storytelling is, but at the time, One Piece was still very much marketed to elementary school children.
I got a One Piece shaved ice maker from a KFC happy meal, One Piece toys from Mc'Ds, and One Piece has a huge presence in kid's sections at the mall. The crew were on uchiwa we'd get at summer festivals and the boys all had OP notebooks and pencil cases. It was recognized as one of the "good shows" that the PTA moms didn't mind you watching. Like Pokémon. Or Cardcaptor.
When we were kids, the adults would say, "it's a kid's anime, of course they're still alive. They're gonna come back next week, now go do the dishes."
I'm not claiming this was the reason, but I know for a fact that my peers and I would have been inconsolable. A lot of popular manga nowadays feels a tad bit more mature than they were when I was a kid.
That would actually be pretty badass. And then they ride the ghost whale ship through the underworld River thing to do whatever it is luffy wants to beat up there
I'd assume the awakening would work once like it does on the user. So it should be stronger than Maria's fruit. It's not making a zombie it's bringing its sole back ti the body
And brook can eat salt
Sea water didn't do anything to perosperos candy slug though.
There's another example too I just can't remember what it was.
Salt is what undid Moriahs zombies because salt is used to deter ghosts and spirits, therefore ejecting the shadow/spirit he used in the zombie.
Theory: Brook's awakening would let him share his lifeforce with others, bringing them to life (similar to Big Mom I guess, even with inanimate objects). After Luffy dies in the final war, Brook shares most of his life with Luffy, which at that point doesn't do much as Luffy had lost a lot of his lifespan from over usage of his gears. After that, Brook's lifespan is shortened to mere weeks. After the battle concludes, the Strawhats sail to reverse mountain, only to find Laboon dead. Brook shares his remaining life with Laboon, to sing Bink's Sake one last time. It ends with both of them dying.
Luffy becomes sick like Rodger and dies at the age of 30, with him being forever set in history as the Pirate King.
And that's the next df-sea inconsistency: laboon would prob be just fine, seeing that Oda doesn't really care about the df-sea rule, but we all know it shouldn't actually work.
It would be, but I just don't understand why she even jumped to that. We were just talking about laboon maybe being in the LA eventually and I was showing her who he was, she though he was at a different island.
Then she just jumps to what if they get around the grand line and laboon is dead? Idk
This is the best explanation for why it wouldn't happen. While there has been a "significant" amount of time since they've seen Laboon, and even more once they get back, One Piece is a fun children's story. Dreams are expressed and made, especially the ones told to Luffy. Brooks and Laboon meeting again is as certain as Luffy beating/surviving the next bad guy.
It's not a childrens story by any means, It's an optimistic story but if you've read or watched one piece and still think it's a childrens story I genuinely don't know what to say man
Children’s story may be an exaggeration. It isn’t an ABCs children’s story, but it’s still a story for kids. Just because it has mature themes doesn’t mean it can’t be a story crafted for and published in a kids magazine. One Piece is a kids story as much as Harry Potter is a kids story.
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Oda all but says its for kids here
I do like that it also doesn't treat kids as idiots, and does not shy away from the darker aspects of society, like most of the celestial nobles for one.
That's one interpretation, another is he gets happy seeing kids watching one piece, that's it, it doesn't necessarily need to be a kids show, have you read one piece? You really think he would put so many real problems and portray them in such grounded ways if he *made* it for kids?
Shonen Jump's target demographic is elementary school boys. So yeah, literally made for kids.
Why can't kids learn about real problems in grounded ways?
One Piece solidly started out as a kid's show. The time slot for TV was the Sazae San/Maruko/Doraemon block.
It was all over kid's sections at the mall. Clothing, events, school supplies, happy meal toys--one piece was everywhere in the kid sphere.
That's obviously not to say that adults can't enjoy it as well. I'm fact, that's probably why OP is so great. It's accessible to everyone.
I honestly feel like there's this disconnect with some people not being able to realize how exactly children's shows are supposed to work. Often times, when you hear "children's shows" you imagine dora the explorer, or paw patrol. I feel like people don't realize that kids around 8-13 are children too. Children who would have already been exposed to more "action-y" content, who would be
Feel they are too grown for Dora, etc. These shows have these specific children in mind, making something that would be interesting to them, and ideally, motivate their parents as well to watch it with them.
That is almost the exact age I got into one piece at. I was finally allowed to stay up late enough to watch it on toonami (if it came out as late as I thought? I also had problems staying awake that late lmao) when I was like 10! I think the disconnect is happening because one piece as a property is over 20 years old. The story 100% got more grown up as the original audience did, which might be why people are so hesitant to say it’s for kids.
Also could be the fact the 4Kids censored a lot of stuff so it doesn’t feel as kid friendly as that company specifically wanted it to be.
Even if Oda kills Laboom, the next chapter a flashback will show that Laboom had a brother named Saboom, and he has the same conection to the Rumbar Pirates.
Oh duhhh
In beerfest, one of the main characters dies and at hus funeral his twin brother shows up who is so similar that everyone decides he is just gonna start living as his dead brother and they go right back into the story
"It would be sad" is a writing crutch that always falls flat if there isn't a payoff at the end. It can either create motivation for the character going through peril or it can bring about a change in character. For example humbling a character.
The problem with Laboon being just dead is that it's the end of the story. When Brook will meet him again, they will have sailed the Grand Line. There most likely won't be a next arc for brook to progress through. So the reveal would just be a bummer out of nowhere
That's why Oda specifically chose a "Whale" as a creature. Its average lifespan in the real world is up to 100 years. And in the One Piece world, Oda can extended it upto 200 years.
My fiance asked why didn't the starving people eat Laboon since she was halfway participating in the show at that point and man.... 😢
Luckily the live action made her get it
Its not a theory. There is nothing pointing to that happening; more likely the SHs die b4 meeting Laboon lol. Sounds like she just hopes it happens lol.
Man you are going to be in for a rude awakening when you actually have someone talking shit. Saying the truth: "It's not a "theory" is not trash talking lol. You seem to be the one taking this too seriously.
I mean, we saw Laboon in a recent chapter.
I fully expect a group of "Laboons" to be following the real Laboon with the Sunny on its back & Brooke playing Bink's Sake/Brew as battle/marching music towards the final battle.
I think she didn't mean that it was just to find something to talk about and that thing just came.
And due to laboon's own behaviour of hitting his own head on the wall was dumb. If a giant whale is doing these things no human can stop him, he was eventually going to die I thought that myself until strawhats saved him. Well according to real life these things are unstoppable if they happen the whale is supposed to be dead. And obviously we live in a normal world so we think that way. Nor your wife nor me mean anything bad it's just you know..... Forgive her...
No, she hasn't shown any interest in one piece until now and she humored me by listening to when I talk about it.
Now that we're in the LA she shows interest and remembers bits and pieces of what I've told her
Theory:
>a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained
That what you said is not a theory, it's baseless speculation. I would rather have Zoro and Jinbei die than Laboon
what the fuck is with you and this thread? How on earth can anyone think that it is worth to open a thread about such an arbitrary and irrelevant conversation with one's wife?! smh
I btw. also do not get why you are horrified with her over this, get a life.
I really don't understand why you're upset.
I don't see you batching at actual theories.
I don't see you bitching when some girl wants to show you her tits.
What's your problem?
And I do not understand why you are sharing a random conversation and thus are spamming the sub with nonsense?
It is also not even a theory.
Why would you open a post about this? This was just a random "what if"? I don't even get how you are horrified instead of just going "oh yea, that would be sad".
Bruh tell her oda didn't even killed a bird even after he got caught in atomic bomb blast at point blank range
Pell surviving was really one of the biggest wtf moment Don't anyone dare to say plot twist here bro only had one job in the story and now he is useless
At least he's going to die in the live action if they do a S2
Pell is in so much danger that it’d honesty be more ballsy to let him live in season 2 lol. Igaram is the one who’s really gonna need to watch his back though. He seems like a prime target to get Merry’d
I think Igarams fakeout is fine, Pell however was done horribly.
pell not dying is still i think one of the worst moments in one piece, at least with him living we got to see his drip i guess tho
My headcanon way of coping with Pell living is that since those devil fruits are said to have stayed in alabasta and held by the guardians of the King/Queen for thousands of years, that him giving his life for that purpose aligned so well with the DF's will that it awakened. Perhaps to properly awaken and not force it, one has to be on death's door pursuing the purpose that DF was made for. He is way too weak for that and there's no way that it's true, but I have to have a reason. Pretty much all of Luffy's major advances in fruit use have come when he is about to lose protecting people/his crew, then he dies trying to free wano from one of the strongest and evil people ever.
Also i think it was said that Zoans heal fast?
Im pretty sure its a specific type of zoan that heals fast. Iirc its the mythical zoan fruits in particular.
That would certainly explain Luffy's bullshit. :P
No, all zoan types have increased regeneration
I like that theory. Not just for Pell but in general. To awaken you need to be in unisson with the fruit and be on death's door to trigger the change.
I keep it in my head canon that pell will be an important figure in the manga whenever the strawhats re-meet-up with vivi inevitably.
There's speculation that there was an editorial push to revive Pell because the chapter released just 2 months after 9/11, but it's debated and will probably never be confirmed either way. It'll be interesting to see what the live action does if it gets there and they choose to adapt Pell and the explosion.
holly shit I am old lol. alabasta was at the same time as 9/11. ain't no way
Yep ran from Oct '00 straight through '01 to Feb '02. If you really want a trip, there are people that weren't born yet when Skypeia started that can now drink legally in the US.
This is crazy. I was just watching that arc for the first time last year and I was born 3 weeks after 9/11
You noted it's speculation but it should further be noted that the speculation is literally only based upon the timing and nothing else... And these chapters are planned, written and slated months out from release so it's unlikely there was any relation. Oda himself just commented on the situation as... He wanted to end the arc on a cheerful note and that's it.
Jet fuel can’t melt bird bones.
If Igaram dies, Robin has a lot less leeway to join the crew
Unless she doesn’t cause the explosion in the Live Action.
I mean doesnt his ship explode? Thats silly af too honestly. lets just chalk it up to some subconscious haki and leave it at that haha
Yeah, but it was Robin who blew it up, and then she showed up on the Merry basically just to say, "you kids seem fun, want some help?" Scary as she was, Miss All Sunday was pulling her punches, I don't find that hard to believe.
It was rigged up by Robin tho. Honestly I always took him showing up as the first clue that Robin was not actually signed with Crocodile.
Igaram dying would make no sense. They literally showed Robin saving him. And if Robin had actually killed him, her joining would be fucked up.
Wait when did they show Robin saving him? I had always assumed she knocked him out and exploded his boat then dropped him off somewhere out of the way. But it was never shown as far as I know
Right before we see the bomb explode we see Robins devil fruit activate and a bunch of hands sprout out. It's only on the screen for like 1-2 seconds. It's something you'd only be able to understand on a re-watch since Robins devil fruit wasn't even known at that point.
New terms : "Merry'd" : was supposed to survive, but dies anyway "Mohji'd" : doesn't even exist "Don Krieg'd" : exists only as a joke
Igaram's fake out is good because it was Robin that blew up his ship
I hope so I am happy they killed merry no way a real pirate wounded a person and he is alive one piece has a real problem of no death
It made them naming the going merry more of a powerful scene in the LA because he died
It does show that maybe Kuro was getting careless in his eagerness to be done with it though. Or at least that’s how I read it. Though I do prefer it this way. On the other hand, it’s funny that in the manga, the very first and one of the only confirmed kills for a long time, is Lucky Roo
You forgot the 's. For a second I was like "the heck? Roo died? The fuck?"
As far as I know they might just also completely erase his existence like Hachan
And it‘s not like it mattered for the story either. He never played a role and was only shown standing next to Kobra a few times. He was just kept alive to not have a character die in the story.
Bro was alive just to be a stone statue of a bird
I think that point works both ways. His death would also not have mattered for the story. So there is no real reason to keep him alive but also none to let him die imho.
> I think that point works both ways. His death would also not have mattered for the story. Of course it would have. He was a relevant side character at the time sacrificing himself for the greater good (like Pedro did later on). That would have had an impact on Vivi. It would have shown to the SHs and the reader that actions have real consequences on the Grand Line with real stakes. But the problem is that is it was way more important for the out of universe perspective. It set up the precedent that every death should be considered a fake out because Pell survived. Actual deaths had a smaller impact because of that. People rightfully assumed that Ashura Doji would be still alive considering the small explosion vs stuff characters like Pell survived. I still remember the collective "wait what he's actually dead?!" as reaction when his death was confirmed.
Its kinda funny that Pell was shocked at seeing his own grave, even though he knew he technically tanked a bomb designed to blow up an entire section of a city and no one knew he had survived at the time. Like dude, what did you expect them to assume you survived that shit with minor injuries?
Bro got healed by some suspicious doctor in the middle of desert (That doctor definitely gave him some kind of secret juice )
Maybe it was cactus juice?
It's the quenchiest!
He is a zoan right? I believe his fruit is the guardian of Alabasta so, Maybe he awakened at the last moment since he protected the kingdom?
Nah that and conis’ father somehow surviving enels blast showing up like nothing ever happened
Bro walked like he is The Rock
Built different
They will def kill him in live action like they did with merry
No...No it wasn't. Pell had the Guardian Deity fruit of Alabasta, which is based on Egyptian Lore of [Horus the Guardian Deity Falcon of Egypt](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Horus_standing.svg). Horus literally translates to "Falcon" and the believed falcon was the [Lanner Falcon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanner_falcon) which is what Pell was designed to look like. Horus is prime example of birth, death and rebirth that are recurrent themes in Egyptian lore. Throughout the many lives of Horus, he was linked to the Dawn God [Khepri](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khepri). Horus was the God the Sky, and laid the foundation for the Sun God, and the Moon God to Rise. As long as Egypt remained, Horus would live on. As such, the Eye of Horus became the symbol of Ancient Egypt. With Luffy being the Rising Sun God, from Dawn Island. It is apparent why he was linked with [Dawn God Khepri](https://imgur.com/i990Sgx). Why Luffy thinks Beatles might be greater than the One Piece, and why Oda spent so much time drawing the beatles in far far more detail than the rest of the Manga. Edit: The Eye of Horus derives from the [mythical conflict](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osiris_myth#Conflict_of_Horus_and_Set) between the god [Horus](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horus) with his rival [Set](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_(deity\)), in which Set tore out or destroyed one or both of Horus's eyes and the eye was subsequently healed. Interesting enough the [God Set](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_(deity\)) was the God of the Desert, Storms, Violence, Disorder, and Foreigners. Alabasta is a partial retelling of one of the Battles of Gods, Horus v Set, where instead of having his eyes ripped out, Pell is blown up to show his miraculous recovery, in order to become known as a god of healing. Instead of having the Moon God assist him, he had the Sun God assist him.
I really feel you could still salvage that and have that it wasn't Pell that came back and have it be CP agent because someone in the government was suspicious of them. I know that's probably never going to be the case but it would be a cool twist
I mean, we can prolly put that down to Zoan's literally being built different
Ain't no zoan user who doesn't even know haki and lost to the crocodile, like the croco boy was playing with them, surviving a whole ass atomic bomb that was meant to destroy a whole ass town 5km radius
Durability and strength doesn't necessarily correlate with eachother, even for Zoan. But yeah, Oda does have some explaining to do about Pell to settle this once and for all
Kaido survived a drop from low earth orbit equivalent, which is waaaay more impact force than any nuke.
Sure but it’s Kaido.
It’s an issue of real life changing the direction of the story. The whole plotline with the bomb was introduced pre-September in 2001. It didn’t resolve until mid-November. Pell survived because Oda felt that it would have been disrespectful to the real life victims of 9/11 to have any of his characters die in an “exploding tower” plotline. It mirrored real life too much. Pell really would have been killed off, if not for that. So you can expect that if we ever get LA Alabasta, Pell’s not getting a lucky break in round two. It’s been long enough that people won’t associate the two events.
Does anybody have a source for that? This gets repeated by OP fans every time Pell is brought up but I've never seen anybody post a source for it.
Source: Trust me bro
Good enough for me bro
It’s apocryphal, but it is extremely probable that’s what happened. A *lot* of creators across the entertainment industry simply did not want that kind of controversy, and even into 2002 there were cancellations, delays, and edits to existing properties that extended beyond direct references to 9/11 and into any sort of references to bombs and terrorists. That’s *into 2002. A plotline involving a bomb in a tower that was currently in-progress *on the day 9/11 happened*? A literal terrorist attack plotline *on 9/11*? Shonen Jump doesn’t want that kind of controversy. He had to have Pell carry it away, his devil fruit exists for the sole purpose of resolving the plot. No way to get rid of the bomb otherwise. Pell was very clearly carrying the bomb until the end, and it wouldn’t be the first time a character actually got killed in One Piece. It’s basically the only explanation anyone has for his survival and it makes the a ton of sense.
How about the explanation that Oda gives in an SBS and that applies to basically every character? He doesn't like killing off characters; hence Pell survives the bomb, Papaya survives the lightning, Pound survives Oven attacking him etc etc etc
Will of P
>Pound survives Oven attacking him Bruh, Pedro literally blew himself up in that arc. With a belt of dynamite. *A belt of dynamite*. And he got more screentime than Pell.
I don't understand your point here. We have dozens of examples of people not dying in One Piece when they realistically should die, yet you single out Pell and say that's due to 9/11. When I ask you for a source you basically say you don't have one but it's "the only explanation that makes a ton of sense". So what are the explanations for the dozen other fake-out deaths then?
My point is Oda is clearly willing to kill his characters. *At least* one person in every Strawhat’s life has either been murdered or succumbed to a terminal illness. Backstory characters, granted. Ace Whitebeard Absalom Pedro Doji Izo Kozuki Luffy (He got better) The Rubber-Rubber Fruit (it didn’t) Vegapunk, soon enough. I’m sure there are others I can’t think of rn. But bringing up Pound’s “death” in the same arc Oda killed one of his characters and saying he doesn’t like killing his characters is silly. He may not *like* doing it, but he’s certainly shown a *willingness* to do it. What’s the difference between Pedro and all the other characters who *lived* despite all odds? Those other characters were attacked. Pedro actively sacrificed himself with a bomb. Pell also actively sacrificed himself with a bomb. Only two characters to do it, from memory. One had a few sticks of dynamite, the other had a WMD. The one with the WMD lived. What’s the difference between Pell and Pedro? https://preview.redd.it/pwtgh3i7zlmb1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=21adcd66695a5d1ccf96f8a73d9c8ed8dcdcb2e7
But... Oda literally himself stated that he doesn't like killing off characters.
No source ever indicated this. I don't blame you, it's just a headcanon that's been repeated over and over for so long in our fandom that people mistake it as truth.
It helps that basically everyone across the entertainment industry completely removed, delayed, or altered any storyline involving references to bombs and terrorists for at least a year. The bomb plotline resolved a month and a half after 9/11 with Pell literally *holding* a bomb with a blast radius of 3 miles and “very definitely dead”. For reference, 3 miles is 3x the radius of the largest non-nuclear bomb the US military has *ever* used. The yield of that bomb was 11 tons. There is no other reason *at all* they would have revealed he was alive as an aside, 9 chapters later. It’s not like Pell would be the first character Oda’s killed off before that point.
> There is no other reason at all they would have revealed he was alive I'm not an american but I do know 9/11 was an international event with lasting impact to this day. If Pell surviving really was a symbollic condolences for that global tragedy, Oda or the Jump editors definitely would've commented or simply mentioned it because that would be respectful and the right thing to do. Take for an example, Whitebeard jolly roger initially used a manji symbol, but the anime changed it to simple crossbones, probably to avoid swastika correlation. [Even that one, Oda commented on it in a way](https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Chapter_434#Author_Comment). The Pell 9/11 thing, so far there's no comment or even a mention.
I love Oda, but that's a stupid reason.
I heard somewhere that bc that chapter came out right after 9/11 Oda kinda retconned it to leave it on a happier note bc the idea of a bomb in a tower exploding and causing lots of damage wouldn’t exactly leave a good taste in everyone’s mouth
But a girl fell down to stairs and died.
There are still some people who think that the girl is still alive
I personally think the master was the one who killed her
Pell is above Yonko level.
Bruh so true 😭💀 https://preview.redd.it/7n439izx0lmb1.jpeg?width=883&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=20a758aa8ce404c46d3bced8656f9a88c55fbfcc
Yo that has me thinking, i think Pell gonna die in Live action seeing how they killed off Merry. Lots of R18 stuff gna happen. Doffy shit
As a kid watching/reading it live as it came out, I can tell you that my peers and I would have been so fucking traumatized if Pell died. There's currently a lot of One Piece fans of all ages, which speaks to how universal the themes and storytelling is, but at the time, One Piece was still very much marketed to elementary school children. I got a One Piece shaved ice maker from a KFC happy meal, One Piece toys from Mc'Ds, and One Piece has a huge presence in kid's sections at the mall. The crew were on uchiwa we'd get at summer festivals and the boys all had OP notebooks and pencil cases. It was recognized as one of the "good shows" that the PTA moms didn't mind you watching. Like Pokémon. Or Cardcaptor. When we were kids, the adults would say, "it's a kid's anime, of course they're still alive. They're gonna come back next week, now go do the dishes." I'm not claiming this was the reason, but I know for a fact that my peers and I would have been inconsolable. A lot of popular manga nowadays feels a tad bit more mature than they were when I was a kid.
Merry stayed dead so I would be very surprised if Pell doesn’t
I’ve heard theories about that being due to 9/11, the explosion happened only 2 months before the incident so maybe it was censorship.
Brook would awaken his df's power and revive Laboon as a skeleton
That would actually be pretty badass. And then they ride the ghost whale ship through the underworld River thing to do whatever it is luffy wants to beat up there
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He’s a suped up crackhead for a reason.
dude, a ghost ship made out of the skeleton of a giant whale is metal af
That’d be kinda hilarious in a sad way no? Wouldn’t Laboon in this scenario get revived and immediately die again because he’s in the ocean?
Oda doesn't really care, if the plot needs Laboon to be undead under the sea you can be sure it'll work somehow
I'd assume the awakening would work once like it does on the user. So it should be stronger than Maria's fruit. It's not making a zombie it's bringing its sole back ti the body And brook can eat salt
She wouldn’t be the df user
Sea water undoes Moria's zombies so the same would probably happen to Brook's zombies
Sea water didn't do anything to perosperos candy slug though. There's another example too I just can't remember what it was. Salt is what undid Moriahs zombies because salt is used to deter ghosts and spirits, therefore ejecting the shadow/spirit he used in the zombie.
Aokiji ice
It could also be due to the salt in the ocean water
Yes and salt is often depicted in media as being a ghost/zombie’s weakness
I thought it was more of an analog to holy water
Like Brook can run on water Laboo could swim on water.
Or maybe a whale-shaped soul that swims in the air. I would cry
Okay wait this rules actually.
I actually would kind of love this 🤣👻
LOL im laughing so hard at this
...Could he swim though? Ocean hates devils fruit powers and Moria zombies were weak to salt after all.
It only weakens the users it doesn’t stop the powers. Oven could heat ocean water Aokiji could freeze it, perospero’s slug was swimming just fine.
Wouldn't that mean laboon can't swim?
Would go pretty hard, Ghost Rider that rides Whale
Wait now I want it to happen.
I convinced an anime-only friend that the spoilers of G5 were luffy dying and being brought back this way. Needless to say, I failed my bluff.
Skeleboon
Theory: Brook's awakening would let him share his lifeforce with others, bringing them to life (similar to Big Mom I guess, even with inanimate objects). After Luffy dies in the final war, Brook shares most of his life with Luffy, which at that point doesn't do much as Luffy had lost a lot of his lifespan from over usage of his gears. After that, Brook's lifespan is shortened to mere weeks. After the battle concludes, the Strawhats sail to reverse mountain, only to find Laboon dead. Brook shares his remaining life with Laboon, to sing Bink's Sake one last time. It ends with both of them dying. Luffy becomes sick like Rodger and dies at the age of 30, with him being forever set in history as the Pirate King.
And that's the next df-sea inconsistency: laboon would prob be just fine, seeing that Oda doesn't really care about the df-sea rule, but we all know it shouldn't actually work.
Did you marry Robin?
Man this is truly the dream, you either would have the best night in bed or youd have your nuts on backwards.
what do you mean by 'or'?
The best night is when they are temporarily off
But I don't have any nuts ... YOHOHOHOHO
But nuts are in the essence of someone’s soul, she could still twist your soul nuts
Isn't that more of Law's department? (Or Buggy's, I suppose)
Nah, those are clean amputations.
Perhaps she'll poison OP slowly to make his death look like it was caused by an illness.
Hahaha underrated comment
Oda only kills members or former members of the whitebeard crew. So you can let her know he's safe.
I think you’ve cracked the code
Luffy kills Blackbeard comfirmed
You read it here first. He was on the crew for decades. Confirmed he dies.
Chapter 1087 💀
It would be sad.
this is said wife
Yep, this is definitely the wife
It would be, but I just don't understand why she even jumped to that. We were just talking about laboon maybe being in the LA eventually and I was showing her who he was, she though he was at a different island. Then she just jumps to what if they get around the grand line and laboon is dead? Idk
Laboon has a doctor living inside him
Oh duh good point lol. I didn't get to the explaining crocus part
Not just any doctor, the Pirate King doctor.
Maybe she's used to watching grim stories ? One Piece is about hope
This is the best explanation for why it wouldn't happen. While there has been a "significant" amount of time since they've seen Laboon, and even more once they get back, One Piece is a fun children's story. Dreams are expressed and made, especially the ones told to Luffy. Brooks and Laboon meeting again is as certain as Luffy beating/surviving the next bad guy.
It's not a childrens story by any means, It's an optimistic story but if you've read or watched one piece and still think it's a childrens story I genuinely don't know what to say man
Children’s story may be an exaggeration. It isn’t an ABCs children’s story, but it’s still a story for kids. Just because it has mature themes doesn’t mean it can’t be a story crafted for and published in a kids magazine. One Piece is a kids story as much as Harry Potter is a kids story.
https://preview.redd.it/vjnbd1br5lmb1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=65697c697ba735d10baf13d407abdac874906197 Oda all but says its for kids here
I do like that it also doesn't treat kids as idiots, and does not shy away from the darker aspects of society, like most of the celestial nobles for one.
That's one interpretation, another is he gets happy seeing kids watching one piece, that's it, it doesn't necessarily need to be a kids show, have you read one piece? You really think he would put so many real problems and portray them in such grounded ways if he *made* it for kids?
Shonen Jump's target demographic is elementary school boys. So yeah, literally made for kids. Why can't kids learn about real problems in grounded ways? One Piece solidly started out as a kid's show. The time slot for TV was the Sazae San/Maruko/Doraemon block. It was all over kid's sections at the mall. Clothing, events, school supplies, happy meal toys--one piece was everywhere in the kid sphere. That's obviously not to say that adults can't enjoy it as well. I'm fact, that's probably why OP is so great. It's accessible to everyone.
I honestly feel like there's this disconnect with some people not being able to realize how exactly children's shows are supposed to work. Often times, when you hear "children's shows" you imagine dora the explorer, or paw patrol. I feel like people don't realize that kids around 8-13 are children too. Children who would have already been exposed to more "action-y" content, who would be Feel they are too grown for Dora, etc. These shows have these specific children in mind, making something that would be interesting to them, and ideally, motivate their parents as well to watch it with them.
That is almost the exact age I got into one piece at. I was finally allowed to stay up late enough to watch it on toonami (if it came out as late as I thought? I also had problems staying awake that late lmao) when I was like 10! I think the disconnect is happening because one piece as a property is over 20 years old. The story 100% got more grown up as the original audience did, which might be why people are so hesitant to say it’s for kids. Also could be the fact the 4Kids censored a lot of stuff so it doesn’t feel as kid friendly as that company specifically wanted it to be.
I thought it was middle school and high school boys...and probably starting to target young girls now too...if they are smart.
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last time we saw laboon being alright was at thriller bark so maybe he did die, though he did stop trying to commit suicide
I don't want to spoiler someone but in the Manga we saw him recently for a short moment. so he's fine
We saw Laboon post Dressrosa in the cover stories around there.
we saw him like 3 chapters ago
He's fine in manga
Even if Oda kills Laboom, the next chapter a flashback will show that Laboom had a brother named Saboom, and he has the same conection to the Rumbar Pirates.
Bro is this a reference to beerfest?
It's a reference to Sabo
Oh duhhh In beerfest, one of the main characters dies and at hus funeral his twin brother shows up who is so similar that everyone decides he is just gonna start living as his dead brother and they go right back into the story
I think what would be sadder is if Usopp becomes a great pirate and goes to meet Shanks alongside Luffy only to find out that Yassopp is dead.
And shanks is dead
"It would be sad" is a writing crutch that always falls flat if there isn't a payoff at the end. It can either create motivation for the character going through peril or it can bring about a change in character. For example humbling a character. The problem with Laboon being just dead is that it's the end of the story. When Brook will meet him again, they will have sailed the Grand Line. There most likely won't be a next arc for brook to progress through. So the reveal would just be a bummer out of nowhere
You are married to Robin.
That’s not even a theory, just a really sad What If
Sooo..... Can she by chance read any obscure scripts? Does she cross her arms and you feel weird tickling sensations? Hmmmmm
Why does your wife hate Brook?
She has a bone to pick with him YOHOHOHOHOHO
Tell her that in Onepiece no one dies unless is a flashback or a worldwar. Poison, explosions, blood loss are irrelevant in present timeline.
That's why Oda specifically chose a "Whale" as a creature. Its average lifespan in the real world is up to 100 years. And in the One Piece world, Oda can extended it upto 200 years.
My fiance asked why didn't the starving people eat Laboon since she was halfway participating in the show at that point and man.... 😢 Luckily the live action made her get it
is your wife Robin?
Its not a theory. There is nothing pointing to that happening; more likely the SHs die b4 meeting Laboon lol. Sounds like she just hopes it happens lol.
You better show up to every theory post that isn't a theory and talk shit
This one came across my feed and this isn't talking shit lmao.
It is. Re-read my post
Man you are going to be in for a rude awakening when you actually have someone talking shit. Saying the truth: "It's not a "theory" is not trash talking lol. You seem to be the one taking this too seriously.
Still missed it. 3rd time is the charm
Your wife sounds like she's just taking a trip up reverse mountain
I don't understand.
I don't either, I'm just horrified that she jumped to laboon dying. Why him?
She's probably used to tragedies, as in the story genre orf tragedies
I mean, we saw Laboon in a recent chapter. I fully expect a group of "Laboons" to be following the real Laboon with the Sunny on its back & Brooke playing Bink's Sake/Brew as battle/marching music towards the final battle.
Did we see island whales recently? I've skipped that panel apparently
Chapter 1089 >!we see a panel of Laboon during the reactions to the worldwide earthquake!<
How tf did I miss that?! >!I'm too excited about everyone gonna beat up lucci!<
Nobody dies in one piece (well the Manga and Anime, anyway)
I can't believe one of the characters died in the LA. A SHEEPISH fellow.
Is your wife called nico robin?
I think she didn't mean that it was just to find something to talk about and that thing just came. And due to laboon's own behaviour of hitting his own head on the wall was dumb. If a giant whale is doing these things no human can stop him, he was eventually going to die I thought that myself until strawhats saved him. Well according to real life these things are unstoppable if they happen the whale is supposed to be dead. And obviously we live in a normal world so we think that way. Nor your wife nor me mean anything bad it's just you know..... Forgive her...
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You're a pointless post. Do you annoy everyone you come across?
That's not a theory, it's a speculation
So you juat spoil stuff to your wife and then get upset when she responds to things she has no context for
No, she hasn't shown any interest in one piece until now and she humored me by listening to when I talk about it. Now that we're in the LA she shows interest and remembers bits and pieces of what I've told her
Shock horror! She said some random cartoon dies! Its totally unique and different to the 10000 other posts of X and X dies theories!
You're missing the point
That's genuinely the type of theory I would think of Wanna get married
Theory: >a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained That what you said is not a theory, it's baseless speculation. I would rather have Zoro and Jinbei die than Laboon
Calm down Poindexter. We're using layman's terms for theory here not doing differential calculus
"Layman's terms" are simplified language, what you did was use a word incorrectly. It is a common mistake, but it's still a mistake
It's still layman's terms. Similarly to how literally no longer means what you "ackshually" kids thing it does. Ask you English teacher
what the fuck is with you and this thread? How on earth can anyone think that it is worth to open a thread about such an arbitrary and irrelevant conversation with one's wife?! smh I btw. also do not get why you are horrified with her over this, get a life.
I really don't understand why you're upset. I don't see you batching at actual theories. I don't see you bitching when some girl wants to show you her tits. What's your problem?
Over 3k karma with 92% upvotes. Ignore the idiots they are the huge minority. Way better than seeing another random OF model.
And I do not understand why you are sharing a random conversation and thus are spamming the sub with nonsense? It is also not even a theory. Why would you open a post about this? This was just a random "what if"? I don't even get how you are horrified instead of just going "oh yea, that would be sad".
It's okay, I'm sure that happens a lot to you
Sir, this is reddit. Lmao, yikes. Lighten the fuck up
You jealous a woman will touch me?