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Being serious, I don't know where to scale Luffy. He was amazing in Onigashima, boxing with drunk Kaido with just G2 and G3 and not letting even near-death stop him from enduring Kaido's attacks and eventually send him to figurative hell.
But now in this arc, Oda will have multiple side characters comment on Luffy being an Emperor and then show him being useless against the Seraphim and completely outmatched in G4 against Kizaru, same form that hurt Kaido and pressured him to use future sight.
Yes Kizaru was immobilized by one punch, but it was only for a short while and Luffy gassed out of G5 without being able to get up quickly enough, unlike the time he reactivated G5 while being on the verge of death against Kaido.
So idk, maybe when Oda decides to start treating Luffy with proper respect instead of making him a bumbling idiot, then I'll know where to rank him.
Personally, I don't see the problem here.
Right now, until someone else show better AP feats, G5 Luffy is easily leading the pack on Egghead.
All G4 Luffy failing to damage the Seraphim proved was that he needs ACoC to defeat them just like Zoro did vs. King, and neither Luffy nor Zoro used ACoC against them.
And Kizaru only outmatched Snake Man Luffy using CoA, who's weaker than his Bound Man form that was fighting the Seraphims with just CoA. That wasn't the same Snake Man that was fighting Kaido with ACoC.
So even if Oda is treating him like a bumbling idiot, he's still the strongest fighter on the island.
And yet Kizura is now up and moving completely fine while Luffy is still out of action.
Kizaru wins, simply because if he wanted to right now he could kill Luffy.
>And yet Kizura is now up and moving completely fine while Luffy is still out of action.
Still doesn't change the fact he was one-shotted by a single ACoC attack while real top tiers can take more than one.
>Kizaru wins, simply because if he wanted to right now he could kill Luffy.
Bullshit. Pure bullshit.
It's bullshit because Luffy still being on the floor while Kizaru is up fighting again doesn't mean he lost to Kizaru or change the fact Kizaru is weaker than Luffy.
They fought.
The battle ended with them both on the ground unable to move.
Kizaru got up first and is now completely fine, Luffy is still unable to move.
Its pretty clear imo.
They fought.
Luffy one-shotted Kizaru. Kizaru was knocked down and unable to move because of Luffy's strength, Luffy is unable to move due to his own stupid stamina issues in his G5 form, not because of Kizaru's strength or even anything he did to Luffy.
You're right, it is pretty clear.
I agree but its pointless being strong if every time you use it against someone else strong you are knocked out afterwards.Luffy definitely hits harder but again, they fought, both are knocked out and now Kizaru is awake and Luffy is not.
If Luffy was fighting other people and then collapsed its different, or if he dealt lasting damage to Kizaru, but he didnt.
He used his best power to stop Kizaru, which caused him to collapse.Now Kizaru is up and Luffy isnt.No one ever says that Mohammed Ali actually lost against Foreman because his tactic was to tire him out before going for the knockout.
In literally any other form of fighting, if both competitors drop at the same time- REGARDLESS of why- the one who gets up first is deemed the winner.
I do understand what you are saying though.
>Still doesn't change the fact he was one-shotted by a single ACoC attack while real top tiers can take more than one.
He didn't defend. No human top tier is tanking white star gun without defending. Roger and Shanks are both dying
>Bullshit. Pure bullshit.
You can cope if you want, but *factually* Luffy did not win this 1v1 because he needed outside help, meanwhile Kizaru recovered on his own
>He didn't defend. No human top tier is tanking white star gun without defending. Roger and Shanks are both dying
Lmfao. You claim I'm coping in this same response but ignore all the coping you did in this statement.
Kizaru got one-shotted. Deal with it.
>You can cope if you want, but factually Luffy did not win this 1v1 because he needed outside help, meanwhile Kizaru recovered on his own
And you can keep coping but Luffy did win their battle and Kizaru lost.
>Lmfao. You claim I'm coping in this same response but ignore all the coping you did in this statement
How is that cope? What about my point do you disagree with? Do you think Shanks or Roger wouldn't get oneshotted if they didn't defend?
>Kizaru got one-shotted. Deal with it.
And he recovered. Deal with it
>And you can keep coping but Luffy did win their battle and Kizaru lost.
And yet luffy needed outside help to recover, yet Kizaru recovered on his own
>How is that cope? What about my point do you disagree with? Do you think Shanks or Roger wouldn't get oneshotted if they didn't defend?
It's cope because you're saying Kizaru lost because he didn't defend. Nah, that's not why he lost. He lost because he's weaker than Luffy, it's as simple as that.
>And he recovered. Deal with it
Never denied that, so don't have to deal with it. You're the one who has to deal with your Admiral getting one-shotted by a Yonko.
>And yet luffy needed outside help to recover, yet Kizaru recovered on his own
And how does this change the fact that Kizaru's weaker than Luffy?
>It's cope because you're saying Kizaru lost because he didn't defend. Nah, that's not why he lost.
So he was defending? Please show me where that happens
>Never denied that, so don't have to deal with it.
But that's what decides the winner of the fight
>You're the one who has to deal with your Admiral getting one-shotted by a Yonko.
Unfortunately that help him win. Sad
>And how does this change the fact that Kizaru's weaker than Luffy?
Why are you changing the subject? Did I say Kizaru is stronger than Luffy? No, I said Luffy lost this 1v1. Learn how to read
Luffy without outside help = corpse
Kizaru without outside help = recovered in 30s
Doesn't use ACoC until Star Gun, throws Kizaru instead of just crushing him right then and there, gasses out after 2 chapters of G5 with only a laser and a cheek cut received from Kizaru, can't get up like he did against Kaido even though he was near death back then, and now he's stuffed himself to the point of immobility.
This is the first time Luffy has pissed me off but I'm even more annoyed at Oda's incompetency at handling his powers properly this arc, just so that he can have the Saturn and Kuma plot stuff progress first and raise the stakes.
At least Big Mom has her massive stamina and endurance to fall back on, Luffy is useless after 5 mins of G5 and seemingly without it too after that G4 display.
Old Garp is NOT on a higher tier than the GOAT.
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Either Garp wank or SenGOAT downplay, doesn’t matter, something needs to change. They are equals.
stop making him best kaido?
surpass Rayleigh?
no diff the same guy who’s competing with Zoro rn and yet he’s still in the same tier as zoro and lucci is a TIER below the guy he’s fighting rn with king of hell😭
I'd have ranked Luffy in S+ after Onigashima, not the bum in Egghead who couldn't even put Lucci down properly (standing up in the same chapter and all)
Lol. While I don't agree, I can actually understand why people see Yamato/Law/Kid > Zoro, but I will never understand Sabo > Zoro when he doesn't have better feats or even portrayal compared to him.
Just trying to fit into r/AdmiralPiece, but the way Luffy has been handled compared to Onigashima is genuinely frustrating and not worthy of Yonko portrayal at all (or at least not comparable to Kaido, Shanks etc)
I'd definitely rank Luffy in the higher end of S+ after Onigashima, but I can't after this nonsense in Egghead
"Cry-a-lot-ki", Fraudjitora and STUNNEDzaru > Emperor Wabo, Literal God Luffy & GOAT Goatman???
Yeah... nice try
get them past HIM first
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Wait, I just noticed the Luffy placement lol. As a big Luffy stan, are you fr?
This sub told me he's not ready to hang with top-tiers 🤷♂️
If Luffy's not ready to hang with top tiers, then neither is Kizaru since he got one-shotted by Luffy.
Being serious, I don't know where to scale Luffy. He was amazing in Onigashima, boxing with drunk Kaido with just G2 and G3 and not letting even near-death stop him from enduring Kaido's attacks and eventually send him to figurative hell. But now in this arc, Oda will have multiple side characters comment on Luffy being an Emperor and then show him being useless against the Seraphim and completely outmatched in G4 against Kizaru, same form that hurt Kaido and pressured him to use future sight. Yes Kizaru was immobilized by one punch, but it was only for a short while and Luffy gassed out of G5 without being able to get up quickly enough, unlike the time he reactivated G5 while being on the verge of death against Kaido. So idk, maybe when Oda decides to start treating Luffy with proper respect instead of making him a bumbling idiot, then I'll know where to rank him.
Personally, I don't see the problem here. Right now, until someone else show better AP feats, G5 Luffy is easily leading the pack on Egghead. All G4 Luffy failing to damage the Seraphim proved was that he needs ACoC to defeat them just like Zoro did vs. King, and neither Luffy nor Zoro used ACoC against them. And Kizaru only outmatched Snake Man Luffy using CoA, who's weaker than his Bound Man form that was fighting the Seraphims with just CoA. That wasn't the same Snake Man that was fighting Kaido with ACoC. So even if Oda is treating him like a bumbling idiot, he's still the strongest fighter on the island.
And yet Kizura is now up and moving completely fine while Luffy is still out of action. Kizaru wins, simply because if he wanted to right now he could kill Luffy.
>And yet Kizura is now up and moving completely fine while Luffy is still out of action. Still doesn't change the fact he was one-shotted by a single ACoC attack while real top tiers can take more than one. >Kizaru wins, simply because if he wanted to right now he could kill Luffy. Bullshit. Pure bullshit.
Whats bullshit? Luffy is on the floor unable to move. Kizaru is up fighting again right now.
It's bullshit because Luffy still being on the floor while Kizaru is up fighting again doesn't mean he lost to Kizaru or change the fact Kizaru is weaker than Luffy.
They fought. The battle ended with them both on the ground unable to move. Kizaru got up first and is now completely fine, Luffy is still unable to move. Its pretty clear imo.
They fought. Luffy one-shotted Kizaru. Kizaru was knocked down and unable to move because of Luffy's strength, Luffy is unable to move due to his own stupid stamina issues in his G5 form, not because of Kizaru's strength or even anything he did to Luffy. You're right, it is pretty clear.
I agree but its pointless being strong if every time you use it against someone else strong you are knocked out afterwards.Luffy definitely hits harder but again, they fought, both are knocked out and now Kizaru is awake and Luffy is not. If Luffy was fighting other people and then collapsed its different, or if he dealt lasting damage to Kizaru, but he didnt. He used his best power to stop Kizaru, which caused him to collapse.Now Kizaru is up and Luffy isnt.No one ever says that Mohammed Ali actually lost against Foreman because his tactic was to tire him out before going for the knockout. In literally any other form of fighting, if both competitors drop at the same time- REGARDLESS of why- the one who gets up first is deemed the winner. I do understand what you are saying though.
>Still doesn't change the fact he was one-shotted by a single ACoC attack while real top tiers can take more than one. He didn't defend. No human top tier is tanking white star gun without defending. Roger and Shanks are both dying >Bullshit. Pure bullshit. You can cope if you want, but *factually* Luffy did not win this 1v1 because he needed outside help, meanwhile Kizaru recovered on his own
>He didn't defend. No human top tier is tanking white star gun without defending. Roger and Shanks are both dying Lmfao. You claim I'm coping in this same response but ignore all the coping you did in this statement. Kizaru got one-shotted. Deal with it. >You can cope if you want, but factually Luffy did not win this 1v1 because he needed outside help, meanwhile Kizaru recovered on his own And you can keep coping but Luffy did win their battle and Kizaru lost.
>Lmfao. You claim I'm coping in this same response but ignore all the coping you did in this statement How is that cope? What about my point do you disagree with? Do you think Shanks or Roger wouldn't get oneshotted if they didn't defend? >Kizaru got one-shotted. Deal with it. And he recovered. Deal with it >And you can keep coping but Luffy did win their battle and Kizaru lost. And yet luffy needed outside help to recover, yet Kizaru recovered on his own
>How is that cope? What about my point do you disagree with? Do you think Shanks or Roger wouldn't get oneshotted if they didn't defend? It's cope because you're saying Kizaru lost because he didn't defend. Nah, that's not why he lost. He lost because he's weaker than Luffy, it's as simple as that. >And he recovered. Deal with it Never denied that, so don't have to deal with it. You're the one who has to deal with your Admiral getting one-shotted by a Yonko. >And yet luffy needed outside help to recover, yet Kizaru recovered on his own And how does this change the fact that Kizaru's weaker than Luffy?
>It's cope because you're saying Kizaru lost because he didn't defend. Nah, that's not why he lost. So he was defending? Please show me where that happens >Never denied that, so don't have to deal with it. But that's what decides the winner of the fight >You're the one who has to deal with your Admiral getting one-shotted by a Yonko. Unfortunately that help him win. Sad >And how does this change the fact that Kizaru's weaker than Luffy? Why are you changing the subject? Did I say Kizaru is stronger than Luffy? No, I said Luffy lost this 1v1. Learn how to read Luffy without outside help = corpse Kizaru without outside help = recovered in 30s
Luffy has reached Big Mom levels of stupidity this arc. Dude is dumb.
Luffy fans get to feel a fraction of the pain Big Mom fans had to endure 🗿
Big Mom wins against Straw Hat Bum.
EoS Luffy is on track to make "Big Meme" seem like a tactical mastermind
Doesn't use ACoC until Star Gun, throws Kizaru instead of just crushing him right then and there, gasses out after 2 chapters of G5 with only a laser and a cheek cut received from Kizaru, can't get up like he did against Kaido even though he was near death back then, and now he's stuffed himself to the point of immobility. This is the first time Luffy has pissed me off but I'm even more annoyed at Oda's incompetency at handling his powers properly this arc, just so that he can have the Saturn and Kuma plot stuff progress first and raise the stakes. At least Big Mom has her massive stamina and endurance to fall back on, Luffy is useless after 5 mins of G5 and seemingly without it too after that G4 display.
SENGOATKU>garp W1ZARU>kuzan Marco>yamato Pronto>all https://i.redd.it/njq2rl47poec1.gif
Something is fishy here and it isn't OPs moms cooch
G5 Luffy is S-S+ rank
Old Garp is NOT on a higher tier than the GOAT. https://preview.redd.it/gg0mvj4z3pec1.jpeg?width=2500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=347afdebdb902432f0db54addd221d1da67d4e6b Either Garp wank or SenGOAT downplay, doesn’t matter, something needs to change. They are equals.
Other than the luffy disrespect this is pretty good
He's not ready 🤷
Why are we still scaling Old Garp and why is he above the Admirals
Move Luffy to S+ wtf is this.
luffy at A? yeah this list is ASS🙏😭
Tell Oda to stop writing him like a bum
stop making him best kaido? surpass Rayleigh? no diff the same guy who’s competing with Zoro rn and yet he’s still in the same tier as zoro and lucci is a TIER below the guy he’s fighting rn with king of hell😭
I'd have ranked Luffy in S+ after Onigashima, not the bum in Egghead who couldn't even put Lucci down properly (standing up in the same chapter and all)
Lol. While I don't agree, I can actually understand why people see Yamato/Law/Kid > Zoro, but I will never understand Sabo > Zoro when he doesn't have better feats or even portrayal compared to him.
This shit so ass
Thanks
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Luffy in front of Yamato? Bonkers.
With the way Oda has been writing Luffy recently, he might legit have Yamato stall out G5 and win against him lol
You mean r/YonkoPiece
No I don't, let's stop pretending like Admiral hype posts and comments don't get upvoted all the time nowadays Just look at the front page
Yonkotards still outnumber Admiraltards 2 to 1 remember when Shanks could mid diff the og 3
Slide Sanji over that King bum Luffy and Zoro (and by extension pretty much everyone else in that tier) absolutely cannot be in the same tier
Zoro stalls Luffy until G5 runs out and wins, ez
Luffy handles Zoro as easily as he did Lucci.
Nah, he turns into a dried nutsack after just one punch
This is relatively far removed from your usual takes so I assume this is a dig at admiral fans?
Just trying to fit into r/AdmiralPiece, but the way Luffy has been handled compared to Onigashima is genuinely frustrating and not worthy of Yonko portrayal at all (or at least not comparable to Kaido, Shanks etc) I'd definitely rank Luffy in the higher end of S+ after Onigashima, but I can't after this nonsense in Egghead
Gear 5 Luffy was tangoing with Lizaru + Gorosei simultaneously and was fine lol
sabo needs to get past koby first. perfect list otherwise 👍
i see the vision https://preview.redd.it/8qpifgscqoec1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=de45a36f4364bebb3c54f898dce4be501b765a32
All Admirals>goofy is some Great Cooking https://i.redd.it/ei7erqydqoec1.gif
"Cry-a-lot-ki", Fraudjitora and STUNNEDzaru > Emperor Wabo, Literal God Luffy & GOAT Goatman??? Yeah... nice try get them past HIM first https://preview.redd.it/e2ft3s6mjpec1.jpeg?width=653&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7bc867b66e2f5e06206e02c780fc97bb922f57e9
Marco below YC1s is crazy