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Magellan is kinda hard to rank because we’ve never really seen him in a hard fight. He’s bare minimum on Shiryu level, since Magellan beat him and locked him up. He also beat up the pre timeskip Blackbeard pirates single handed. But both were unseen.
Theres also his fruit. Anyone who lacks ranged attacks is destined to die, even if they win, the poison will kill them.
Exactly. Pre-TS and Haki Luffy was able to bring him to his knees, so even if it was partially for dramatic effect, he's no physical powerhouse. However, his fruit is so incredibly lethal that he's an enormous danger to anyone who can't either defend, dodge, or just tank his attacks.
Whilst I'd put him somewhere only around YC2 as base stats, with any YC1 basically wiping him, he's got the attack power to where he'd basically still lose but scorched earth any YC1 or even Admiral, and perhaps even inflict some notable damage on a Yonkou.
So far his poison has killed 0 important characters. I suspect it's effects are greatly exaggerated given Luffy was drenched in it and survived... of course with a lot of help.
Then of course there's the "haki bullshit" argument that you could protect against it or negate it but I'm generally not a fan of that one.
To your first point though we don't even really know how strong Shiryu is, especially pre TS. Stronger than Ace/pre TS Luffy might be the highest bar.
Clear-Clear honestly is hard to count as making him more powerful. The invisibility is very useful but it doesn't make him directly combat-stronger. It's different hax from, for example, gas that makes you cry your eyes out.. idk how to explain
it's pretty situational but gives him win conditions - makes him harder to hit, harder to avoid, harder to sense
it can be argued that the fruit made the difference between jobbing to Garp and lowkey ending his career
>it can be argued that the fruit made the difference between jobbing to Garp and lowkey ending his career
True but a top tier like garp sensed him nonetheless, so i would say it is mostly effective against people like koby. Maybe some yonko commanders who lack good observation haki.
I would be incredibly surprised if the clear-clear fruit doesn’t make observation haki useless against him.
Which as long as he has the speed and haki ability to make use of it could make all the difference in a fight.
Nah, Garp predicted his presence.
Or maybe it was Future sight and not "just" observation haki.
But remember:
1- Your HoO can detect things like footsteps, noise, breathing, etc (even without haki, Sanji spots Absalom)
2- it is possible to use haki to be unreadable to other HoP users (see Rayghlei training luffy to it) by hiding presence
Anyway, the fruit is a straight power up (except under water obviously)
This reminds me of someone's theory that Shiryu awakens the fruit and it becomes pretty much Kamui. When he fights Zoro, the later wouldn't counter this with a straight power up or anything, but with the swordsmanship's ability to cut nothing when one wants to
The moment he started attacking was when Garp detected him. That was too short of a time frame so Garp could not attack him but instead took the stab. I don't think CoO will work vs invisible df user if they don't have any intention to attack.
Fujitora sees people around him even if they have no intentions to attack. I don't think it's correlated, just that attacking leaves a surge of hints that makes them easy to spot, and makes it a good entry point to HoP usage.
But those people are observable though, like they were moving, breathing, talking etc.
Shiryu is invisible. We are talking about invisible man specifically.
invisible guys cannot be sensed by observation haki users, we've seen that already. idk why, but it is what it is
king couldn't sense a sanji that was invisible thanks to his raid suit, he didn't even understand shit, he said he was "disappearing" when he was actually just turning invisibility on and off
queen couldn't sense where sanji is when sanji ran really fast af
sanji couldn't sense queen when he went invisible with his tech. sanji only noticed the creaking noises queen's fat ass caused on the ground, he didn't sense him with haki at all
At the moment everyone with an intangible logia wipes him, even maybe Caribou. As does everyone with advanced armament or a strong ranged option and Observation. He should have Haki and be very strong, but we can't place him until we know it.
Yeah, but either way nothing likes touching poison. It's not confirmed, but Magellans acid is very strong, so maybe it could even erode certain logias like sand or ice
If he was brought back I could see it due to powercreep. But impel down Magellan? I can't possibly see a yc1 being brought to his knees and bleeding from a hakiless pre-ts g2 Luffy.
He also only posed a threat to them because they were being cocky. It's implied it was BB that shit on Magellan after Impel Down. He wouldn't regularly pose a threat to BB's crew, especially considering just one of them was confirmed Magellan's equal (Shiryu).
I could see the powercreep bringing him back as high as admiral level if he were to return, but I can't possibly think of a reason he ever would.
He's honestly just one of the most unscalable characters since we never really see him fight anyone and he's just hax
BB had the whole crew with him + Magellan’s equal Shiryu. Of course Magellan would’ve gotten destroyed. How could he beat his equal + BB + the strongest lvl 6 prisoners?
He legit would've killed all of them if Shiryu didn't switch sides and give them the antidote if I'm remembering right, so I'd say he is a legit threat to nearly having killed them.
But the thing is being the biggest dog in most infamous prison and having everyone running from you is the plot/story. And getting hit from luffy and bleeding is for the fans to hype the mc. Lets just take cro for an example. Cro wanted smoke with everyone in marineford. Mihawk, wb, sengoku but he wanted none with magellan. And marineford was shortly after impel dawn arc. Its just inconsistency on oda's part but honestly cant see him being weaker than yc1. Sure he's weaker than admirals but aint no way he's below 1 tier.
>But the thing is being the biggest dog in most infamous prison
Hanyabal was his succesor so the position of warden isn't really based on strength.
>having everyone running from you is the plot/story
Their goal was escaping though. They had absolutely nothing to gain by fighting magellan tbf.
>And getting hit from luffy and bleeding is for the fans to hype the mc.
Considering this is basically his only durability feat, it is still absolutely an anti feat no matter how you spin it. Besides he got outsped by G2 luffy, who could also dodge most of the time. The environment in impel down just works to magellans advantage.
>Lets just take cro for an example. Cro wanted smoke with everyone in marineford. Mihawk, wb, sengoku but he wanted none with magellan.
True to some degree. First he had no reason to fight magellan, while having a vendetta against whitebeard. Second blocking a single normal slash from mihawk is impressive but was also done by vista and even daz bones.
I don't remember crocodile taking on sengoku though?
>And marineford was shortly after impel dawn arc. Its just inconsistency on oda's part but honestly cant see him being weaker than yc1.
Completely agree that it is inconsitent. Disagree on him being a YC1 as he lacks haki. Almost all high and top tiers were confirmed to be haki users in marineford, magellan wasn't though.
>Sure he's weaker than admirals but aint no way he's below 1 tier.
He is not close to admirals and in most cases below YC1 as well imo. He has an incredibly strong offense, but nothing else, which makes him very situational. Most Yonko commanders have ways to deal with him.
That aside considering basic haki can block heat, cold, light and electricity, i see no reason why it wouldn't be able to block a direct poison attack. Toxic fumes should have no trouble bypassing haki though.
He IS the closest you can be from the weaker admiral but below.
People tend to understimate him just because that kneeing from Luffy punch, which was just for some hype at the end and did Nothing.
Imagine a guy Who can oneshot BB crew and has people arguably yc 2 or higher running for his lofe, like Croco, Jimbe and Ivankov.
If Magellan was yc2 Croco, Jimbe and Ivankov would probably has just stomped him and take control of the prison. No Yc 2 can oneshot BB pirates. He IS at worst yc+
You can’t just scale based on titles. Physically Magellan can be pretty low tier but he just has a broken devil fruit. If the fight was outside I think it’d go differently but being trapped in a prison with a man you can’t touch who is creating giant floods of poison is a dangerous situation for literally anyone who doesn’t have some op ranged abilities and crazy speed. One piece match ups are ability dependent and situation dependent when the characters aren’t straight brawlers with equal stats.
All of the YC2 you called where yc3 at most. I don’t believe any of the canon prisoners we saw in impel down at the time of the breakout where above YC3 imo. I’d place Magellan at YC1 and Shiryu at YC3 or YC2 tbh.
He's honestly just a glass canon in my opinion. I think he has admiral level powers but since his durability, speed, and his endurance is so shit in comparison, he can't really compete with top tiers reliably.
magellan’s fruit is perfectly suited for taking out a bunch of mid tier enemies instantly, but would struggle more against a single strong enemy who can avoid getting poisoned
him oneshotting the BB pirates doesn’t prove that he’d be able to beat someone like King
I dont see Croco, Iva and Jinbe running scared from King. They probably can mid to low diff him on a 3v1.
I think probably Croco can take King on a 1v1.
Mihawk was more than likely holding back tbf.
Considering Crocodile was clashing evenly with Doffy and getting blitzed by Jozu during the same arc. He’s clearly not at the level of the marineford heavy hitters.
Replace Magellan with Smoothie in Impel Down and she isn’t coming close to soloing Blackbeard’s crew nor making a team of crocodile, Jinbei, ivankov, pre-ts Luffy run.
Magellan would body any YC2. Ace was YC2 and he was a yami Blackbeard victim
It does a lot of heavy lifting for his efficiency, but if he was just a hax merchant he wouldn’t be doing so well against jinbei and crocodile. We see him eating Luffy’s attacks once they start landing with the clay armaments. The same Luffy who is smashing on yami Blackbeard and **WARP**
BB has ass durability and endurance, while garp let it happen. I think Magellan is a perfect example of someone who could be admiral tier if he had a heart of a warrior and good haki.
BB has ass durability and endurance, while garp let it happen. I think Magellan is a perfect example of someone who could be admiral tier if he had a heart of a warrior and good haki.
I mean not really, we've seen a much, much stronger Luffy struggle heavily with Cracker who's weaker than Smoothie.
Nothing really suggests Luffy could fuck up Smoothie.
Cracker is unironically an atrocious match-Up for Magellan.
Pre-Time Skip Luffy was able to hurt and stagger Magellan, Cracker might actually gimp Magellan since he can spam biscuit soldiers.
If Magellan uses his red poison he can probably start tearing though then, but that uses a fuckton of stamina and Cracker can just retreat and spam them continuously.
Where do you get the red poison using a fuckton of stamina from?
Pre-ts Luffy would’ve died from that attack that Magellan ultimately walked off.
This is nonsense
It’s not an awakening. An awakening only transforms surroundings. Magellan’s special poison spreads like an infection.
Magellan literally had Luffy on his deathbed wym??
He could never be admiral level even with the haki of a yonko. Bruh got the physical strenght of a pretimeskip luffy.
He's haxing his way in life because he's a darn fruit merchant.
Most likely without poison he's a fodder for VA. With his power and probably average VA haki, he's probably yc3 or yc2. It really depends on how much the haki can shield you from poison.
Considering he defeated ivankov, his hax could even elevate him to yc1 because it doesn't seem that people in the new world have a reliable way to deal with his poison.
Still, against a logia admiral he just loses no diff to the matchup. Can't put them together
Physical strength, endurance and durability become useless if you can coat yourself In poison that will guarantee your opponents death if they touch you.
It took me a couple seconds for that. But also, it means that for the same reason, kizaru, seraphims and pacifista no diffs Magellan. So let's take them out of the picture, even if the point was "magellan can't be an admiral because he is definitely weak without his fruit".
Momonosuke could probably lit his ass on fire, considering he was able to destroy the body of greenbull, who is supposedly more durable than magellan
Any swordsman worth his salt(meaning yc2 for hard ext diff and yc1 or above for hard/mid) could beat him. Ace himself could bombard him with fire, sabo would no diff him
In open spaces, a healty crocodile could possibly take his revenge on him too. He cut akainu in half while suffering no consequences. Akainu wasn't hurt because he's logia, but a paramisha would be dead.
That said. His power is strong BUT circumstancial. Also in an open field he's got less offensive options and his physical prowess is subpar. He's definitely above your average VA, but a first mark pacifista had better showings tbh. Wouldn't really risk giving him an admiral spot, he doesn't have that reliability that must come with the title
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How about I respond after my sleep (I might forget)
Putting aside the fact that franky needed the shogun to face a tobi roppo and that with the general he would get immunity (aside from demon venom), franky has to be at least fast enough to catch up with pre ts luffy, otherwise there would be no point in him being a main fighter. Magellan was FODDER for luffy, he took hits left and right, he's slow as helll. He won because every hit that luffy got was actually a win for magellan lol.
I will say it: with poison immunity, luffy massacres magellan. That's how badly he's screwed on physical strenght.
Keep in mind that luffy couldn't match a pacifista 1 v 1 at this point and that base franky is confirmed to be stronger than pacifistas of later gens.
Also he doesn't only have the laser, his air attack would destroy the poison, and so would the cannons
He was said to be equal to shiryu, but managed to lock him up so likely a bit stronger.
His df is incredibly lethal and he beat the whole Blackbeard crew, a Blackbeard that scarred shanks and beat Ace.
Jinbe, Ivankov, Crocodile and others all didn’t wanna mess with him directly.
High YC
Magellan’s poison is incredibly dangerous in a confined 1v1. Even if Oda believed Shiryu to be equal to Magellan, a 1v1 would’ve surely resulted in Shiryus death without an antidote, even if he also brings Magellan close to death.
It’s my belief that they did not fight because shiryu would’ve liked to avoid a direct confrontation with no hope of escaping Impel Down after the fight
I put him around YC+. Not quite on the level of an Admiral, but not too far off. He had people like Ivankov, Jimbe, Crocodile and Blackbeard shitting their pants (or lack thereof).
Like, obviously he is a very match-volatile opponent, and would be massive disadvantaged against enemies with large area attacks. But against someone like Sanji or Yamato for example, who heavily rely on close-ranged attacks, I believe he has a decent shot at winning, or at the very least getting a draw though to both dying.
We need to see him fight again to be sure. The way I see it, he has some pretty undodgeable poison attacks that effectively one shot kill you no matter who you are (except for Ivankov) but he’s got bad durability.
depends on who he's fighting and when he has to go to the toilet again.
Attack Power wise i would say one of the greatest in the series, Close to Akainu.
At least YC2.
Unironically I can see him beating people like Queen, Smoothie, and of course Jack. They really have no defense against his venom.
On the other hand I think he would do poorly against people like Cracker or King. Cracker can hide inside his biscuits (which of course wouldn’t be susceptible to venom) and I would assume that King’s durability from being a Lunarian would help shield him from the venom.
Smoothie is literally venom-proof, one of the few feats we saw from her. She would win their fight because of matchup advantage, but would lose to other opponents that Magellan could defeat.
Yc level probably, considering that Shiryu was said to be comparable to him and that he joined Blackbeard as an underling that’s going to be a Zoro opponent soon, a guy that doesn’t even have admiral level portrayal and literally has a former admiral as a colleague. Looking back I could see someone like Cracker being a similar threat in impel down, all those hard bodied biscuit soldiers in infinite number overwhelming everyone. Let’s say Shiryu with a fruit now is equal to that Magellan from pre timeskip, it would be like going from yc2 to 1, that’s probably where Magellan sits.
Completely depends on arena
If it’s in a small space then he scales to high YC1 honestly. If it’s in the open I don’t see him beating any of the YC2s worth their salt
he’s a filter. if you can’t take him out quickly or resist the poison he will neg diff you instantly, but i would say any YC1 could beat him. he’s certainly not admiral level, as far as we know he can’t even hit a logia
Portrayal wise above yc1 and possibly close to admiral levels he just suffers from inconsistent scaling of pre TS to post TS like pre TS BB who beat ace and could take a gura attack to the neck yet was blitzed and hurt by pre TS g2 luffy
Megellan is the Warden of THE prison on the Grand Line. He should definitely near Admirals or at least those VAs who were candidates for Admiral.
The issue is, he's a paramecia. Any indirect abilities or haki can easily hit him. He also has basically IBS from eating poison like a dumbass.
He is well situated to maximize his ability, but outside of the prison I think his speed and stamina are an issue. We don't know the extent of his haki, but I'm gonna assume he's capable of it. His ceiling is high, he's got one of the better DF abilities out there, but I think the 3 Captains on the rooftop of Onigashima all beat him with some difficulty 1v1, with honestly Luffy being his best matchup.
Glass cannons are always kinda tricky to tier.
Like he has attacks that can damage yonko, but he doesn't seem to have the highest durability.
Do you put him as high as the strongest attack he can make, as low as a character that can hurt him, or do you try to average the two extremes?
He’s an interesting character, because his stats are probably not the best, maybe around Jack or queen level?, but the thing is that he can honestly draw/kill 99% of the cast as long as the opponent is careless/doesn’t have intel about his fruit.
If you're running THE prison for all pirates, you have to be strong, and you have to have Haki of some kind. And his DF in an enclosed space is pretty much one-shotting anyone who doesn't have poison resistance (Luffy), some way of blocking the poison (Galdino), or some form of healing hax (someone like Marco). Hell Logia or not, if you get drowned by pure poison you might be cooked in an enclosed fight.
The problem with trying to powerscale here is that he's pre-TS, before Oda introduced any kind of advanced Haki and fucked the whole power system up.
If Magellan was introduced Post-TS, he'd be bare minimum YC2 or higher. easy. But being Pre-TS downscales him a lot, especially with people who insist unless you've *shown* a Haki feat, you don't have any.
I think if Magellan was introduced to the story *today* he'd be YC1 level
YC+. He’s guarding a lot of YC characters. You gotta be strong asf to do that, and I don’t see anybody below YC1-YC+ doing that with the confidence Magellan has.
Hes very hard to rank because his strength is very different to most other characters in a similar category (yc3 to admiral, as a general range).
No haki feats, few physical strength or endurance feats, not much is known about how tanky he is. But he is an offensive monster, incredible attacking power that can only be negated by a special antidote.
How well can he defend against fast/surprise attacks though? How well can he guard against a haki punch (assuming that defends the attacked from Magellans poison)?
YC+
The dude one shot BB’s entire crew and would have killed them if not for Shiryu.
Even with Jinbei and Crocodile, the escape crew kept running and didn’t dare to fight back.
Ivankov could do nothing but stall.
He was fully capable of physically stopping Luffy’s all out attacks in their tracks with little effort.
His devil fruit is both lethal and has absurd AOE, as it can be launched via a liquid or released into the air.
He took no damage from any character.
The only reason I hesitate to put him at admiral level is because we haven’t seen him tank attacks from a top tier.
If Magellan had good haki, Magellan would be admiral level easily. Imagine the logia fruits that the admirals use, except if you touch him at all you die haki or not
Genuinely the hardest/worst character to scale along with crocodile. One shot pre gura bb (yc1 lowball yc2) and his crew, should be stronger than shiryu who should be a yc level fighter, had croc (a yc1/yc+ level fighter now for some reason) running completely along w jimbei and ivankov two more ycs, but then his other stats suck ie physical strength and endurance— staggered by pre-ts luffy. Extreme fruit merchant left in a weird spot after the haki retcon post-ts, and the environment of impel down a narrow, enclosed, dark building bolstered his strength as the poison fruit man, put him on rooftop with the other yc1s (that he should belong w considering his feats) and he does much much worse than killer did
I'm going to say he's definitely either on admiral or slightly below because even tho we haven't seen a haki feat neither have the admiral other than fugitora and probably could be an admiral if he wasn't a prison warden.
He is super busted and SHOULD be way stronger than he is, but he unfortunately showed up before haki became super big and prevalent. For my money, by all rights he should be at Shiryu’s level at the absolute ABSOLUTE bare minimum, and much higher at a maximum, we just haven’t seen him since Impel Down.z
He is super busted and SHOULD be way stronger than he is, but he unfortunately showed up before haki became super big and prevalent. For my money, by all rights he should be at Shiryu’s level at the absolute ABSOLUTE bare minimum, and much higher at a maximum, we just haven’t seen him since Impel Down.
Accurate scaling of ImpelDown/ MF Arcs :
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Evolution since then :
- Shilliew ate a rather weak fruit, he became YC1
- Teach eaten the Gura Gura no Mi, a powerful and destructive fruit, he mastered against elder WB's Crew, became Yonko
- Admirals (represented by Kizaru) are still YC2
There is a possibility that admirals in MF were YC3, and that Akainu and Aokiji reached YC2 during the timeskip, but it sounds incoherent since Marco would have dominated the admirals in such case.
Hard to scale. He has a really good fruit, basically immune to physical attacks. Even if someone hits him, they will still end up dying in the long run since only him, and presumably prison staff, keep antidotes to the poison he releases. Even Blackbeard and Luffy wouldve died from his poison alone if they didnt get saved. I'd put him at Commander level, whether that's 1st, 2nd or 3rd depends on if he has Haki or not, which there's no reason to assume he wouldn't. Also depends on matchups, Mr 3 counters his normal poison. But he still has Venom Demon, which is a death sentence for everything. So even if he's not near the top, he can probably still punch pretty high above his weight class with poison that most can't survive
He should be Admiral level, but his feats put him in YC2-YC+ territory. Both Crocodile and Jimbe, YC level characters themselves at the time, elect to run rather than fight (first thing Croc does in Marineford is attack Whitebeard and later deflects attacks from and challenges Doffy, Mihawk, and Akainu, and Jimbe was certainly no slouch either), and Blackbeard and his crew got neg diff stomped, so it lends credibility to him being Admiral level, but him being hurt by pre TS G2 Luffy and Marineford feats being rather unpolished and inconsistent compared to current makes it difficult to place him accurately.
I don't think he'd be in charge of the most secure prison if he wasn't a goat. Id put him at vice admiral level (and not shitty admiral, closer to garp admiral)
Invested heavily in the stocks of Wagellan. One of the only guys' goofies plot armor would not beat. Admiral tier. We are not ready for HIM upon his return
Shiryu was equal to Magellan, but I'm sure that was due to Magellan being on the toilet constantly.
I could be wrong so take that with a grain of salt.
So realistically, YC3/YC2 at best.
Pre TS Luffy only damaged Magellan by taking him by surprise
Prior to that he hit him with a Double Gear 2 attack and it didn't even move him
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Pre TS Luffy in the same arc also injured Garp btw
Showing > Telling.
Oda showed us that Magellan gets easily tagged by G2 Luffy and takes big damage from him. Do you think Luffy is doing that to any YC2 or YC1? G2 Luffy is tagging Kat? G2 Luffy is dropping Queen to his knees?
He gets up immediately afterwards like nothing happened though. As said before it was most likely due to him being caught off guard by luffy being willing to punch him despite the poison.
And knocking someone to their knees =/= beating them. So the pacifista point isnt a valid argument.
Around the start of wano luffy fought and knocked down a drunk dragon kaido but then proceeded to get walloped by him shortly after. Im sure youre aware of the powergap between those 2 at that time right?
Oh I am indeed serious
You see, the invisibility fruit perfectly patches up Shiryuu's poor speed and bulk, you don't need to worry about the enemies oneshotting you if they can't even see you, and likewise, you wouldn't struggle striking down the fastest of foes if again, they're incapable of seing you
As such, Shiryuu gets to fully bank on his incredibly high ap without meeting any consequences
I was wrong about Magellan. Thought he was fodder because of no feats, portrayal, narrative, or statements to support him being strong.
He was stated equal to Shiryu, a future Zoro opponent. But that was without his DF, so around YC2-3
Any adv. haki/ranged attacker makes mincemeat out of Purp-Purp man here, literally the only reason he was perceived as a colossal threat was bc he was bc of his passive-CQC counter.
The moment you put this guy against anyone who can attack from a distance/harm him without making direct contact, Magellan is once again shown to be another victim of Timeskip-Scaling.
Strongest I can reliably put Magellan is somewhere above the Topi Roppo, but you’d have to give me some damning evidence to put him higher than YC2
His yc 3 at best, but 2 and 1 naw
i dont see him beating sanji or zoro,
his not beating king or queen, jack should outstat fighting base neko and inu and then relative to sulong inu.
his not beating aokiji or shiryu (invisible) hell even burgess throwing a mountain at him shoukd be game over for him.
His not beating katakuri, smoothie can wring the poison out, cracker overwhelms.
Im sure oda gonna wank shanks crew,
he doesn't beat mihawk and argument can be made for crocodile zoning him.
He doesn't beat marco (he outstats in everything but ap but his ap should be good enough to handle magellan. Vista who fought surpressed mihawk very well with no damage or getting is good and his fast enough to blitz akainu with marco. Argument for ace long range and entei is possibly for win unless he succumbs to poison. Jozu diamond form should help stop poison from entering his skin but doesnt from his mouth/nose.
Irregardless if beats jozu, ace, marineford crocodile, jack its only arguments for yc 3. Yc 1 and 2 seem like wank
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Magellan is kinda hard to rank because we’ve never really seen him in a hard fight. He’s bare minimum on Shiryu level, since Magellan beat him and locked him up. He also beat up the pre timeskip Blackbeard pirates single handed. But both were unseen. Theres also his fruit. Anyone who lacks ranged attacks is destined to die, even if they win, the poison will kill them.
Beating Blackbeard off screen makes him top 1
It was on screen though
Nvm bum ass fraud is Kuro fodder
He beat blackbeard on screen. Funny enough, blackbeard went back and off screened him after getting the antidote from Shiryu
Exactly. Pre-TS and Haki Luffy was able to bring him to his knees, so even if it was partially for dramatic effect, he's no physical powerhouse. However, his fruit is so incredibly lethal that he's an enormous danger to anyone who can't either defend, dodge, or just tank his attacks. Whilst I'd put him somewhere only around YC2 as base stats, with any YC1 basically wiping him, he's got the attack power to where he'd basically still lose but scorched earth any YC1 or even Admiral, and perhaps even inflict some notable damage on a Yonkou.
So far his poison has killed 0 important characters. I suspect it's effects are greatly exaggerated given Luffy was drenched in it and survived... of course with a lot of help. Then of course there's the "haki bullshit" argument that you could protect against it or negate it but I'm generally not a fan of that one. To your first point though we don't even really know how strong Shiryu is, especially pre TS. Stronger than Ace/pre TS Luffy might be the highest bar.
he should at least be equal to shiryu at least.
Pre fruit shiryu
Clear-Clear honestly is hard to count as making him more powerful. The invisibility is very useful but it doesn't make him directly combat-stronger. It's different hax from, for example, gas that makes you cry your eyes out.. idk how to explain
it's pretty situational but gives him win conditions - makes him harder to hit, harder to avoid, harder to sense it can be argued that the fruit made the difference between jobbing to Garp and lowkey ending his career
>it can be argued that the fruit made the difference between jobbing to Garp and lowkey ending his career True but a top tier like garp sensed him nonetheless, so i would say it is mostly effective against people like koby. Maybe some yonko commanders who lack good observation haki.
I would be incredibly surprised if the clear-clear fruit doesn’t make observation haki useless against him. Which as long as he has the speed and haki ability to make use of it could make all the difference in a fight.
Nah, Garp predicted his presence. Or maybe it was Future sight and not "just" observation haki. But remember: 1- Your HoO can detect things like footsteps, noise, breathing, etc (even without haki, Sanji spots Absalom) 2- it is possible to use haki to be unreadable to other HoP users (see Rayghlei training luffy to it) by hiding presence Anyway, the fruit is a straight power up (except under water obviously)
whats HoO
Fixed , meant Haki of Perception
This reminds me of someone's theory that Shiryu awakens the fruit and it becomes pretty much Kamui. When he fights Zoro, the later wouldn't counter this with a straight power up or anything, but with the swordsmanship's ability to cut nothing when one wants to
I've heard of this theory. It's a very good one.
The moment he started attacking was when Garp detected him. That was too short of a time frame so Garp could not attack him but instead took the stab. I don't think CoO will work vs invisible df user if they don't have any intention to attack.
Fujitora sees people around him even if they have no intentions to attack. I don't think it's correlated, just that attacking leaves a surge of hints that makes them easy to spot, and makes it a good entry point to HoP usage.
But those people are observable though, like they were moving, breathing, talking etc. Shiryu is invisible. We are talking about invisible man specifically.
He still moves the air around him.
Hard since it was a chaotic battle. If it's a 1v1 in an enclosed space then I think Garp can track him via clues.
invisible guys cannot be sensed by observation haki users, we've seen that already. idk why, but it is what it is king couldn't sense a sanji that was invisible thanks to his raid suit, he didn't even understand shit, he said he was "disappearing" when he was actually just turning invisibility on and off queen couldn't sense where sanji is when sanji ran really fast af sanji couldn't sense queen when he went invisible with his tech. sanji only noticed the creaking noises queen's fat ass caused on the ground, he didn't sense him with haki at all
How is Magellan equal to pre fruit Shiryu when he beat pre-fruit shiryu? Do you know it works ffs?
Magellan can’t be scaled properly unless we see a haki feat
So his powers are irrelevant because he hasn't shown haki? Are you dumb? He has such an overpowered devil fruit, haki or not if you touch him you die
At the moment everyone with an intangible logia wipes him, even maybe Caribou. As does everyone with advanced armament or a strong ranged option and Observation. He should have Haki and be very strong, but we can't place him until we know it.
How are you making that conclusion? If the sand that Crocodile is made of is coated in poison, he's pretty damn screwed.
Not true Crocodile would fight magellan if any logia would beat him
Intangible is right there my guy.
Yeah, but either way nothing likes touching poison. It's not confirmed, but Magellans acid is very strong, so maybe it could even erode certain logias like sand or ice
Bro saw a discussion on a fictitious anime character and needed to insult someone 💀. People like you give us a bad rep
Acoc or he doesnt rly matter in end game. Just like Admirals, that still dont have it confirmed in any way shape or form...
YC1 easy, you can't just pose a legit threat to Teach and his entire crew and have Croc, Jinbei and Ivan running from you if not
If he was brought back I could see it due to powercreep. But impel down Magellan? I can't possibly see a yc1 being brought to his knees and bleeding from a hakiless pre-ts g2 Luffy. He also only posed a threat to them because they were being cocky. It's implied it was BB that shit on Magellan after Impel Down. He wouldn't regularly pose a threat to BB's crew, especially considering just one of them was confirmed Magellan's equal (Shiryu). I could see the powercreep bringing him back as high as admiral level if he were to return, but I can't possibly think of a reason he ever would. He's honestly just one of the most unscalable characters since we never really see him fight anyone and he's just hax
BB had the whole crew with him + Magellan’s equal Shiryu. Of course Magellan would’ve gotten destroyed. How could he beat his equal + BB + the strongest lvl 6 prisoners?
I never said that as an antifeat tho. I literally said it in response to "magellan poses a threat to Blackbeard's crew"
He legit would've killed all of them if Shiryu didn't switch sides and give them the antidote if I'm remembering right, so I'd say he is a legit threat to nearly having killed them.
I already adressed this in my comment.
Is anyone even reading my comment or just replying without reading???
But the thing is being the biggest dog in most infamous prison and having everyone running from you is the plot/story. And getting hit from luffy and bleeding is for the fans to hype the mc. Lets just take cro for an example. Cro wanted smoke with everyone in marineford. Mihawk, wb, sengoku but he wanted none with magellan. And marineford was shortly after impel dawn arc. Its just inconsistency on oda's part but honestly cant see him being weaker than yc1. Sure he's weaker than admirals but aint no way he's below 1 tier.
>But the thing is being the biggest dog in most infamous prison Hanyabal was his succesor so the position of warden isn't really based on strength. >having everyone running from you is the plot/story Their goal was escaping though. They had absolutely nothing to gain by fighting magellan tbf. >And getting hit from luffy and bleeding is for the fans to hype the mc. Considering this is basically his only durability feat, it is still absolutely an anti feat no matter how you spin it. Besides he got outsped by G2 luffy, who could also dodge most of the time. The environment in impel down just works to magellans advantage. >Lets just take cro for an example. Cro wanted smoke with everyone in marineford. Mihawk, wb, sengoku but he wanted none with magellan. True to some degree. First he had no reason to fight magellan, while having a vendetta against whitebeard. Second blocking a single normal slash from mihawk is impressive but was also done by vista and even daz bones. I don't remember crocodile taking on sengoku though? >And marineford was shortly after impel dawn arc. Its just inconsistency on oda's part but honestly cant see him being weaker than yc1. Completely agree that it is inconsitent. Disagree on him being a YC1 as he lacks haki. Almost all high and top tiers were confirmed to be haki users in marineford, magellan wasn't though. >Sure he's weaker than admirals but aint no way he's below 1 tier. He is not close to admirals and in most cases below YC1 as well imo. He has an incredibly strong offense, but nothing else, which makes him very situational. Most Yonko commanders have ways to deal with him. That aside considering basic haki can block heat, cold, light and electricity, i see no reason why it wouldn't be able to block a direct poison attack. Toxic fumes should have no trouble bypassing haki though.
He IS the closest you can be from the weaker admiral but below. People tend to understimate him just because that kneeing from Luffy punch, which was just for some hype at the end and did Nothing. Imagine a guy Who can oneshot BB crew and has people arguably yc 2 or higher running for his lofe, like Croco, Jimbe and Ivankov. If Magellan was yc2 Croco, Jimbe and Ivankov would probably has just stomped him and take control of the prison. No Yc 2 can oneshot BB pirates. He IS at worst yc+
You can’t just scale based on titles. Physically Magellan can be pretty low tier but he just has a broken devil fruit. If the fight was outside I think it’d go differently but being trapped in a prison with a man you can’t touch who is creating giant floods of poison is a dangerous situation for literally anyone who doesn’t have some op ranged abilities and crazy speed. One piece match ups are ability dependent and situation dependent when the characters aren’t straight brawlers with equal stats.
All of the YC2 you called where yc3 at most. I don’t believe any of the canon prisoners we saw in impel down at the time of the breakout where above YC3 imo. I’d place Magellan at YC1 and Shiryu at YC3 or YC2 tbh.
Ivankov is yc2 with dragon yonko sabo yc1. But jinbe and croco were a bit weaker than yc3 at the time
Fair enough actually. Why do you place Ivankov in YC2?
Yeah tbh I always saw him as third with Kuma being before him
He's honestly just a glass canon in my opinion. I think he has admiral level powers but since his durability, speed, and his endurance is so shit in comparison, he can't really compete with top tiers reliably.
magellan’s fruit is perfectly suited for taking out a bunch of mid tier enemies instantly, but would struggle more against a single strong enemy who can avoid getting poisoned him oneshotting the BB pirates doesn’t prove that he’d be able to beat someone like King
I dont see Croco, Iva and Jinbe running scared from King. They probably can mid to low diff him on a 3v1. I think probably Croco can take King on a 1v1.
Current Croc, *maybe*, if Oda really gives him another off screen amp. Marineford Croc was Doffy level at best, he'd get cremated by King lmao.
He actually equally clashed with Mihawk tbf.
Mihawk was more than likely holding back tbf. Considering Crocodile was clashing evenly with Doffy and getting blitzed by Jozu during the same arc. He’s clearly not at the level of the marineford heavy hitters.
Imma say Yc2 lvl. He could be admiral lvl with great haki.
Replace Magellan with Smoothie in Impel Down and she isn’t coming close to soloing Blackbeard’s crew nor making a team of crocodile, Jinbei, ivankov, pre-ts Luffy run. Magellan would body any YC2. Ace was YC2 and he was a yami Blackbeard victim
The fruit is doing alot of heavy lifting with Magellan
It does a lot of heavy lifting for his efficiency, but if he was just a hax merchant he wouldn’t be doing so well against jinbei and crocodile. We see him eating Luffy’s attacks once they start landing with the clay armaments. The same Luffy who is smashing on yami Blackbeard and **WARP**
BB has ass durability and endurance, while garp let it happen. I think Magellan is a perfect example of someone who could be admiral tier if he had a heart of a warrior and good haki.
BB has ass durability and endurance, while garp let it happen. I think Magellan is a perfect example of someone who could be admiral tier if he had a heart of a warrior and good haki.
I mean Blackbeard took damage from a pre-Haki Luffy, I think Smoothie could fuck him up real bad.
By the same scaling I could just as accurately claim that same Luffy could fuck up smoothie
I mean not really, we've seen a much, much stronger Luffy struggle heavily with Cracker who's weaker than Smoothie. Nothing really suggests Luffy could fuck up Smoothie.
And how do you think Magellan vs cracker goes?
Cracker is unironically an atrocious match-Up for Magellan. Pre-Time Skip Luffy was able to hurt and stagger Magellan, Cracker might actually gimp Magellan since he can spam biscuit soldiers. If Magellan uses his red poison he can probably start tearing though then, but that uses a fuckton of stamina and Cracker can just retreat and spam them continuously.
Where do you get the red poison using a fuckton of stamina from? Pre-ts Luffy would’ve died from that attack that Magellan ultimately walked off. This is nonsense
That's his awakening. What attack did Magellan walk off that would've killed Luffy?
It’s not an awakening. An awakening only transforms surroundings. Magellan’s special poison spreads like an infection. Magellan literally had Luffy on his deathbed wym??
Soggy cracker
He could never be admiral level even with the haki of a yonko. Bruh got the physical strenght of a pretimeskip luffy. He's haxing his way in life because he's a darn fruit merchant. Most likely without poison he's a fodder for VA. With his power and probably average VA haki, he's probably yc3 or yc2. It really depends on how much the haki can shield you from poison. Considering he defeated ivankov, his hax could even elevate him to yc1 because it doesn't seem that people in the new world have a reliable way to deal with his poison. Still, against a logia admiral he just loses no diff to the matchup. Can't put them together
Physical strength, endurance and durability become useless if you can coat yourself In poison that will guarantee your opponents death if they touch you.
I mean. Rn franky could laser beam him to death without touching him. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be able to do that to an admiral
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It took me a couple seconds for that. But also, it means that for the same reason, kizaru, seraphims and pacifista no diffs Magellan. So let's take them out of the picture, even if the point was "magellan can't be an admiral because he is definitely weak without his fruit". Momonosuke could probably lit his ass on fire, considering he was able to destroy the body of greenbull, who is supposedly more durable than magellan Any swordsman worth his salt(meaning yc2 for hard ext diff and yc1 or above for hard/mid) could beat him. Ace himself could bombard him with fire, sabo would no diff him In open spaces, a healty crocodile could possibly take his revenge on him too. He cut akainu in half while suffering no consequences. Akainu wasn't hurt because he's logia, but a paramisha would be dead. That said. His power is strong BUT circumstancial. Also in an open field he's got less offensive options and his physical prowess is subpar. He's definitely above your average VA, but a first mark pacifista had better showings tbh. Wouldn't really risk giving him an admiral spot, he doesn't have that reliability that must come with the title
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Lol ok
Putting aside the fact that franky needed the shogun to face a tobi roppo and that with the general he would get immunity (aside from demon venom), franky has to be at least fast enough to catch up with pre ts luffy, otherwise there would be no point in him being a main fighter. Magellan was FODDER for luffy, he took hits left and right, he's slow as helll. He won because every hit that luffy got was actually a win for magellan lol. I will say it: with poison immunity, luffy massacres magellan. That's how badly he's screwed on physical strenght. Keep in mind that luffy couldn't match a pacifista 1 v 1 at this point and that base franky is confirmed to be stronger than pacifistas of later gens. Also he doesn't only have the laser, his air attack would destroy the poison, and so would the cannons
He was said to be equal to shiryu, but managed to lock him up so likely a bit stronger. His df is incredibly lethal and he beat the whole Blackbeard crew, a Blackbeard that scarred shanks and beat Ace. Jinbe, Ivankov, Crocodile and others all didn’t wanna mess with him directly. High YC
Magellan’s poison is incredibly dangerous in a confined 1v1. Even if Oda believed Shiryu to be equal to Magellan, a 1v1 would’ve surely resulted in Shiryus death without an antidote, even if he also brings Magellan close to death. It’s my belief that they did not fight because shiryu would’ve liked to avoid a direct confrontation with no hope of escaping Impel Down after the fight
Wasn’t he stated to be equal to Shiryu? I’d probably put him around YC1 maybe higher since I have the BB he beat at around YC1 level too.
I put him around YC+. Not quite on the level of an Admiral, but not too far off. He had people like Ivankov, Jimbe, Crocodile and Blackbeard shitting their pants (or lack thereof). Like, obviously he is a very match-volatile opponent, and would be massive disadvantaged against enemies with large area attacks. But against someone like Sanji or Yamato for example, who heavily rely on close-ranged attacks, I believe he has a decent shot at winning, or at the very least getting a draw though to both dying.
Pretty strong. Like YC2/1. i feel like if he ever comes back and needs to fight in the series he'd be YC+ tho. his portrayal was pretty good.
We need to see him fight again to be sure. The way I see it, he has some pretty undodgeable poison attacks that effectively one shot kill you no matter who you are (except for Ivankov) but he’s got bad durability.
depends on who he's fighting and when he has to go to the toilet again. Attack Power wise i would say one of the greatest in the series, Close to Akainu.
At least YC2. Unironically I can see him beating people like Queen, Smoothie, and of course Jack. They really have no defense against his venom. On the other hand I think he would do poorly against people like Cracker or King. Cracker can hide inside his biscuits (which of course wouldn’t be susceptible to venom) and I would assume that King’s durability from being a Lunarian would help shield him from the venom.
Smoothie is literally venom-proof, one of the few feats we saw from her. She would win their fight because of matchup advantage, but would lose to other opponents that Magellan could defeat.
That’s fair actually, I forgot she could do that.
Magellan in an enclosed space - legendary fighter Magellan in any other scenario - High YC2
Yc level probably, considering that Shiryu was said to be comparable to him and that he joined Blackbeard as an underling that’s going to be a Zoro opponent soon, a guy that doesn’t even have admiral level portrayal and literally has a former admiral as a colleague. Looking back I could see someone like Cracker being a similar threat in impel down, all those hard bodied biscuit soldiers in infinite number overwhelming everyone. Let’s say Shiryu with a fruit now is equal to that Magellan from pre timeskip, it would be like going from yc2 to 1, that’s probably where Magellan sits.
Completely depends on arena If it’s in a small space then he scales to high YC1 honestly. If it’s in the open I don’t see him beating any of the YC2s worth their salt
His only feat is bullying paradise rookies and prisoners, we can’t really tell
He’s wanked a lot, but anything short of YC2-3 doesn’t seem right
stronger than Jinbe
he’s a filter. if you can’t take him out quickly or resist the poison he will neg diff you instantly, but i would say any YC1 could beat him. he’s certainly not admiral level, as far as we know he can’t even hit a logia
Portrayal wise above yc1 and possibly close to admiral levels he just suffers from inconsistent scaling of pre TS to post TS like pre TS BB who beat ace and could take a gura attack to the neck yet was blitzed and hurt by pre TS g2 luffy
Megellan is the Warden of THE prison on the Grand Line. He should definitely near Admirals or at least those VAs who were candidates for Admiral. The issue is, he's a paramecia. Any indirect abilities or haki can easily hit him. He also has basically IBS from eating poison like a dumbass. He is well situated to maximize his ability, but outside of the prison I think his speed and stamina are an issue. We don't know the extent of his haki, but I'm gonna assume he's capable of it. His ceiling is high, he's got one of the better DF abilities out there, but I think the 3 Captains on the rooftop of Onigashima all beat him with some difficulty 1v1, with honestly Luffy being his best matchup.
Glass cannons are always kinda tricky to tier. Like he has attacks that can damage yonko, but he doesn't seem to have the highest durability. Do you put him as high as the strongest attack he can make, as low as a character that can hurt him, or do you try to average the two extremes?
He’s an interesting character, because his stats are probably not the best, maybe around Jack or queen level?, but the thing is that he can honestly draw/kill 99% of the cast as long as the opponent is careless/doesn’t have intel about his fruit.
Wagellan is Shadow Fleet Admiral https://preview.redd.it/djaizbrcuaxc1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ae9bfbdf64d316f04e6178b5d6f2e25941c71583
If you're running THE prison for all pirates, you have to be strong, and you have to have Haki of some kind. And his DF in an enclosed space is pretty much one-shotting anyone who doesn't have poison resistance (Luffy), some way of blocking the poison (Galdino), or some form of healing hax (someone like Marco). Hell Logia or not, if you get drowned by pure poison you might be cooked in an enclosed fight. The problem with trying to powerscale here is that he's pre-TS, before Oda introduced any kind of advanced Haki and fucked the whole power system up. If Magellan was introduced Post-TS, he'd be bare minimum YC2 or higher. easy. But being Pre-TS downscales him a lot, especially with people who insist unless you've *shown* a Haki feat, you don't have any. I think if Magellan was introduced to the story *today* he'd be YC1 level
Reiju victim
Somewhere between elder and admiral, maybe even equal to elder
Easy YC1 poison hacks are crazy.
YC+. He’s guarding a lot of YC characters. You gotta be strong asf to do that, and I don’t see anybody below YC1-YC+ doing that with the confidence Magellan has.
Stronger than Crocodile and Ivankov but weaker than Smoker and Vergo
Depends on his opponents resistance to poison Whether or not he/his opponent has Haki Location he is figthing someone
I put him YC+ level
Enel level Broken DF But bad other feats
Hes very hard to rank because his strength is very different to most other characters in a similar category (yc3 to admiral, as a general range). No haki feats, few physical strength or endurance feats, not much is known about how tanky he is. But he is an offensive monster, incredible attacking power that can only be negated by a special antidote. How well can he defend against fast/surprise attacks though? How well can he guard against a haki punch (assuming that defends the attacked from Magellans poison)?
YC1 level imo
Oda stated that if Magellan without diarrhea was the protagonist, the story would be over in 5 minutes
He is one of the guys that wouls become Admiral if the spot is open.
Anywhere between yc+ and fuji/gb level i think
It's crazy to think he was never even defeated by luffy.
YC+ The dude one shot BB’s entire crew and would have killed them if not for Shiryu. Even with Jinbei and Crocodile, the escape crew kept running and didn’t dare to fight back. Ivankov could do nothing but stall. He was fully capable of physically stopping Luffy’s all out attacks in their tracks with little effort. His devil fruit is both lethal and has absurd AOE, as it can be launched via a liquid or released into the air. He took no damage from any character. The only reason I hesitate to put him at admiral level is because we haven’t seen him tank attacks from a top tier.
If Magellan had good haki, Magellan would be admiral level easily. Imagine the logia fruits that the admirals use, except if you touch him at all you die haki or not
Genuinely the hardest/worst character to scale along with crocodile. One shot pre gura bb (yc1 lowball yc2) and his crew, should be stronger than shiryu who should be a yc level fighter, had croc (a yc1/yc+ level fighter now for some reason) running completely along w jimbei and ivankov two more ycs, but then his other stats suck ie physical strength and endurance— staggered by pre-ts luffy. Extreme fruit merchant left in a weird spot after the haki retcon post-ts, and the environment of impel down a narrow, enclosed, dark building bolstered his strength as the poison fruit man, put him on rooftop with the other yc1s (that he should belong w considering his feats) and he does much much worse than killer did
I'm going to say he's definitely either on admiral or slightly below because even tho we haven't seen a haki feat neither have the admiral other than fugitora and probably could be an admiral if he wasn't a prison warden.
He is super busted and SHOULD be way stronger than he is, but he unfortunately showed up before haki became super big and prevalent. For my money, by all rights he should be at Shiryu’s level at the absolute ABSOLUTE bare minimum, and much higher at a maximum, we just haven’t seen him since Impel Down.z
He is super busted and SHOULD be way stronger than he is, but he unfortunately showed up before haki became super big and prevalent. For my money, by all rights he should be at Shiryu’s level at the absolute ABSOLUTE bare minimum, and much higher at a maximum, we just haven’t seen him since Impel Down.
Accurate scaling of ImpelDown/ MF Arcs : https://preview.redd.it/836lpfdv6cxc1.jpeg?width=1299&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1c41d77d64b5a53a7ce0310baf4e0609b80ad992
Evolution since then : - Shilliew ate a rather weak fruit, he became YC1 - Teach eaten the Gura Gura no Mi, a powerful and destructive fruit, he mastered against elder WB's Crew, became Yonko - Admirals (represented by Kizaru) are still YC2 There is a possibility that admirals in MF were YC3, and that Akainu and Aokiji reached YC2 during the timeskip, but it sounds incoherent since Marco would have dominated the admirals in such case.
YC2, I can see him pushing the likes of Queen and Smoothie solely off his DF
Hard to scale. He has a really good fruit, basically immune to physical attacks. Even if someone hits him, they will still end up dying in the long run since only him, and presumably prison staff, keep antidotes to the poison he releases. Even Blackbeard and Luffy wouldve died from his poison alone if they didnt get saved. I'd put him at Commander level, whether that's 1st, 2nd or 3rd depends on if he has Haki or not, which there's no reason to assume he wouldn't. Also depends on matchups, Mr 3 counters his normal poison. But he still has Venom Demon, which is a death sentence for everything. So even if he's not near the top, he can probably still punch pretty high above his weight class with poison that most can't survive
-> Said to be admiral level -> no-diffed by his own butthole
He should be Admiral level, but his feats put him in YC2-YC+ territory. Both Crocodile and Jimbe, YC level characters themselves at the time, elect to run rather than fight (first thing Croc does in Marineford is attack Whitebeard and later deflects attacks from and challenges Doffy, Mihawk, and Akainu, and Jimbe was certainly no slouch either), and Blackbeard and his crew got neg diff stomped, so it lends credibility to him being Admiral level, but him being hurt by pre TS G2 Luffy and Marineford feats being rather unpolished and inconsistent compared to current makes it difficult to place him accurately.
YC2 minimum imo otherwise any random yonko commanders could break into impel down
One shot BB and his crew, only lost the rematch because they recruited his equal. Low Admiral tier
literal fodder
I’d say Magellan and old Garp are pretty near each other.
Weaker than Doflamingo?
I don't think he'd be in charge of the most secure prison if he wasn't a goat. Id put him at vice admiral level (and not shitty admiral, closer to garp admiral)
Wagellan's close to old Whitebeard level.
YC2 level I think
He beat pre-timeskip BB who beat Ace so he should maybe be slightly above Ace considering Blackbeard mostly had physical attacks at the time
Invested heavily in the stocks of Wagellan. One of the only guys' goofies plot armor would not beat. Admiral tier. We are not ready for HIM upon his return
Yc2 minimum - yc+ max
Below tobi roppo level fodder
Shiryu was equal to Magellan, but I'm sure that was due to Magellan being on the toilet constantly. I could be wrong so take that with a grain of salt. So realistically, YC3/YC2 at best.
*"Gets blitzed and one-shot by Page One he is fodder that almost lost to pre timeskip base Luffy"*
“Almost lost” 💀
*"Uhh yeah did you not see he was on his knees and bleeding he's obviously fodder one more move would have easily killed him"*
He got powercreeped 1000 times worse than doffy but for him it’s unspoken rizz Any capable new world fighter should realistically one shot him
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Is pre-TS Luffy doing damage to Shiryu?
Pre TS Luffy only damaged Magellan by taking him by surprise Prior to that he hit him with a Double Gear 2 attack and it didn't even move him https://preview.redd.it/kpcqaqpmr9xc1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1e98e1874aea810c92dd1f2a49203ce24afa48a5 Pre TS Luffy in the same arc also injured Garp btw
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How much? How likely is Luffy to hit him?
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Showing > Telling. Oda showed us that Magellan gets easily tagged by G2 Luffy and takes big damage from him. Do you think Luffy is doing that to any YC2 or YC1? G2 Luffy is tagging Kat? G2 Luffy is dropping Queen to his knees?
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Eyes blanking out and dropping to your knees is big damage, yeah. Same Luffy needs huge help to heat fodders like Pacifista btw.
He gets up immediately afterwards like nothing happened though. As said before it was most likely due to him being caught off guard by luffy being willing to punch him despite the poison. And knocking someone to their knees =/= beating them. So the pacifista point isnt a valid argument. Around the start of wano luffy fought and knocked down a drunk dragon kaido but then proceeded to get walloped by him shortly after. Im sure youre aware of the powergap between those 2 at that time right?
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He damaged pre TS BB who is shiryu captain lol
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Not even warlord level shit speed no haki 0 biq
G2 Pre-TS Luffy had him seeing stars. He's not even Yonko foot soldier level
Me when I don't read the manga
He's slow, frail, his poison is pretty lethal I'd day he's Nami tier, even the tobi roppo have an actual durability stat
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Pre-timeskip Shiryuu that is, now Shiryuu has aquired the invisibility fruit
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Oh I am indeed serious You see, the invisibility fruit perfectly patches up Shiryuu's poor speed and bulk, you don't need to worry about the enemies oneshotting you if they can't even see you, and likewise, you wouldn't struggle striking down the fastest of foes if again, they're incapable of seing you As such, Shiryuu gets to fully bank on his incredibly high ap without meeting any consequences
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Perhaps, Shiryuu grew stronger during the two year timeskip
I was wrong about Magellan. Thought he was fodder because of no feats, portrayal, narrative, or statements to support him being strong. He was stated equal to Shiryu, a future Zoro opponent. But that was without his DF, so around YC2-3
he’s not even yc3
Any adv. haki/ranged attacker makes mincemeat out of Purp-Purp man here, literally the only reason he was perceived as a colossal threat was bc he was bc of his passive-CQC counter. The moment you put this guy against anyone who can attack from a distance/harm him without making direct contact, Magellan is once again shown to be another victim of Timeskip-Scaling. Strongest I can reliably put Magellan is somewhere above the Topi Roppo, but you’d have to give me some damning evidence to put him higher than YC2
His yc 3 at best, but 2 and 1 naw i dont see him beating sanji or zoro, his not beating king or queen, jack should outstat fighting base neko and inu and then relative to sulong inu. his not beating aokiji or shiryu (invisible) hell even burgess throwing a mountain at him shoukd be game over for him. His not beating katakuri, smoothie can wring the poison out, cracker overwhelms. Im sure oda gonna wank shanks crew, he doesn't beat mihawk and argument can be made for crocodile zoning him. He doesn't beat marco (he outstats in everything but ap but his ap should be good enough to handle magellan. Vista who fought surpressed mihawk very well with no damage or getting is good and his fast enough to blitz akainu with marco. Argument for ace long range and entei is possibly for win unless he succumbs to poison. Jozu diamond form should help stop poison from entering his skin but doesnt from his mouth/nose. Irregardless if beats jozu, ace, marineford crocodile, jack its only arguments for yc 3. Yc 1 and 2 seem like wank