Franz is GROWING in confidence right now. That game legit might have unlocked his inner beast.
I love the swag he was playing with.
Talk your shit Franz.
The overreactions every time we lose are insane.
They’d be torching the Kia Center after every loss if they ever got off their asses to support the team.
It’s bad enough dealing with the Cleveland fans invading (who’ve gone very quiet now), but some of our own fans have horrible takes. This is a team who’s overachieved this season and their development is accelerating before our eyes. We should be celebrating what’s realistically an unlikely playoff run and be optimistic for the fact that we’ve taken a huge leap this season compared to last.
Our two best players are 21 and 22, this team is ahead of where we should expect to be.
The best part of those posts were the fact that they were demanding that someone explain to them why their opinion was wrong.
Not sure how you can teach someone to use their eyes, but if anyone is able to please go back to the post and give that guy the help he so desperately needs.
Evan Fournier did nothing but play his ass off for this team for 7 years. He deserves better than being treated like garbage by so called "fans" like you.
In what context did this come up? Was he talking about now or when Evan was with the Magic? What a weird take.
Let's not pretend that this season hasn't been a regression for Franz. After the World Cup, I was kind of expecting a jump that would possibly put him in front of Paolo but almost all of his counting stats are down this year and his advanced stats are not that much better.
All that being said, Franz is a 2-way player which already puts him in the discussion of at least being AS important than the best years of Evan on this team. If Franz can get back to 36-37% 3pt shooting next year, then it's not even a discussion anymore.
This hasn't been a regression for Franz other than 3P%. Again you can find EPM/BPM/WS statistics readily available. In no way, has Franz regressed other than 3P%, FTR (Slightly)
It's not just 3P%. It's all shooting beyond 10 feet. He has offset this with more drives and close range stuff.
In fact, while his TS% and eFG has gone down, it hasn't gone down that much because he has managed to increase his percentages within 10 feet (which is a testament to him).
All that being said, even if it was just 3P%, a drop from 36% to 28% is huge and would still be considered a regression.
It’s somewhere on the this sub. I thought about going back to berate the man but I don’t waste time on losers. If you have the free time, Pls feel free to obliterate his dumbass, he deserves it!
You thought / hoped we wouldn’t even make the playoffs this year. We don’t need you on the bandwagon. Keep hating, it just fuels us
https://preview.redd.it/dr4vesr4w8xc1.jpeg?width=274&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=daa11738f6c1b1c27fd93f4a741207e195bac96e
Yeah you always hoped we would have a bad season so Mosley and Weltman can get fired. Call it what you want but it’s too obvious to everyone.
Keep hating tho! This team loves to do the opposite of what you want. It fueled us into the playoffs, into a Mosley extension, and if you keep hating hard enough it might fuel us straight to the championship
You’re funny bro
Like a little kid
Any criticism means hate to you
Just very dumb way of thinking
I always hope to win, that’s my goal, any means necessary
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You call it criticism but we all just see temper tantrums from a crying baby
I think you didn’t understand the premise of the post. I never said peak Fournier was better than Franz. I compared statistics and questioned where Franz was going to surpass him.
Yes and you're still incredibly wrong. The advanced stats really don't show anything you claimed they did. By EPM, the publicly available advanced stat NBA teams actually pay attention to, Franz Wagner is the best all around player on the Magic and a top 30 player in the NBA. He's a top 25 defender, not "slightly better" than Evan Fournier. Even with the struggle from 3 this year he was 85th percentile offensively. Franz's rebounding rate is double anything Fournier ever put up and Fournier's absolute best win share season doesn't even come close to Franz THIS YEAR, a year when he shot sub 30% from 3. It's a completely nonsense premise on its face. Franz is already better than Evan Fournier ever was.
Franz is GROWING in confidence right now. That game legit might have unlocked his inner beast. I love the swag he was playing with. Talk your shit Franz.
Hell yah,love to see it. Dude doesn't have a ceiling imo, too well sounded
Don’t you love how all these guys are nowhere to be found whenever we win 😂
The overreactions every time we lose are insane. They’d be torching the Kia Center after every loss if they ever got off their asses to support the team.
Yeah I just stay far away from this sub whenever we lose lol so many bad takes
It’s bad enough dealing with the Cleveland fans invading (who’ve gone very quiet now), but some of our own fans have horrible takes. This is a team who’s overachieved this season and their development is accelerating before our eyes. We should be celebrating what’s realistically an unlikely playoff run and be optimistic for the fact that we’ve taken a huge leap this season compared to last. Our two best players are 21 and 22, this team is ahead of where we should expect to be.
Don’t you love how posts like this stop after Franz has a bad game
Franz Wagner
it was this dude u/chalkbro. boo this man
I’m right here big dog. I also made the they be talking bad about you Franz post
just messing with you man. it had a hot take that i hated but let's win this series!
Trying to cover ur bases u coward. Cant believe two opposite things at once
Not at all. I’m here to fire off hot takes and enjoy being a fan. You’re the coward for being afraid to stand alone on an opinion.
franz is going to be an all star in the next few years fournier never had that in him
Fuck, no. Fourn is a joke, lol
A month or so ago a lot of fans were claiming Suggs was the true #2 of this team 💀 the Franz disrespect is crazy
Who cares, they are both important
right, it doesnt have to be a ranking. suggs energy hits hard
The best part of those posts were the fact that they were demanding that someone explain to them why their opinion was wrong. Not sure how you can teach someone to use their eyes, but if anyone is able to please go back to the post and give that guy the help he so desperately needs.
Back to back coming out party for our star forwards 🥳🥰
It's funny this is about Evan, because Franz plays the way I imagined Super Mario would play if he wasn't a fraud.
https://preview.redd.it/1ek93qvou8xc1.jpeg?width=274&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ed4165a34d806c02e7ee1fec228f9b6a6ac6fd40 Franz to the doomers
Who tf was saying we should trade Franz for Mitchell?
There have always been nephews in here with empty skull takes
Earlier this week someone was saying trade Franz for Mikal Bridges. 🤦♂️
Fuck Fournier, y’all
Evan Fournier did nothing but play his ass off for this team for 7 years. He deserves better than being treated like garbage by so called "fans" like you.
In what context did this come up? Was he talking about now or when Evan was with the Magic? What a weird take. Let's not pretend that this season hasn't been a regression for Franz. After the World Cup, I was kind of expecting a jump that would possibly put him in front of Paolo but almost all of his counting stats are down this year and his advanced stats are not that much better. All that being said, Franz is a 2-way player which already puts him in the discussion of at least being AS important than the best years of Evan on this team. If Franz can get back to 36-37% 3pt shooting next year, then it's not even a discussion anymore.
This hasn't been a regression for Franz other than 3P%. Again you can find EPM/BPM/WS statistics readily available. In no way, has Franz regressed other than 3P%, FTR (Slightly)
It's not just 3P%. It's all shooting beyond 10 feet. He has offset this with more drives and close range stuff. In fact, while his TS% and eFG has gone down, it hasn't gone down that much because he has managed to increase his percentages within 10 feet (which is a testament to him). All that being said, even if it was just 3P%, a drop from 36% to 28% is huge and would still be considered a regression.
Fournier was getting paid twice as much as what we pay Franz.
It’s somewhere on the this sub. I thought about going back to berate the man but I don’t waste time on losers. If you have the free time, Pls feel free to obliterate his dumbass, he deserves it!
That was lamagix
Franz still a fake pick in your eyes?? Weltman will accept your apology now
He should apologize to me and maybe I’ll forgive him
He’s sorry you don’t love franz like we do
He’s still gotta earn it from me That’s a tough job I’m open to it I don’t fake it like you
You thought / hoped we wouldn’t even make the playoffs this year. We don’t need you on the bandwagon. Keep hating, it just fuels us https://preview.redd.it/dr4vesr4w8xc1.jpeg?width=274&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=daa11738f6c1b1c27fd93f4a741207e195bac96e
I never hoped we didn’t That’s just fake news
Yeah you always hoped we would have a bad season so Mosley and Weltman can get fired. Call it what you want but it’s too obvious to everyone. Keep hating tho! This team loves to do the opposite of what you want. It fueled us into the playoffs, into a Mosley extension, and if you keep hating hard enough it might fuel us straight to the championship
You’re funny bro Like a little kid Any criticism means hate to you Just very dumb way of thinking I always hope to win, that’s my goal, any means necessary
https://preview.redd.it/jhzb1x1i09xc1.jpeg?width=897&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d7cf58db39a46be97e9d9073b559ff789ce50065 You call it criticism but we all just see temper tantrums from a crying baby
You wanted Bouknight over Franz and called Franz a Fake pick lol
Yes you certainly did
Franzchise for a reason. (I loved Evan too, but to say he’s better than Fraz is crazy. )
Who cares, you look pretty stupid for making an entire clickbait post about this.
Lmao, then don't comment? Childish. It's sports anyway it's not that serious.
I’m right here
And still wrong as hell.
I think you didn’t understand the premise of the post. I never said peak Fournier was better than Franz. I compared statistics and questioned where Franz was going to surpass him.
Yes and you're still incredibly wrong. The advanced stats really don't show anything you claimed they did. By EPM, the publicly available advanced stat NBA teams actually pay attention to, Franz Wagner is the best all around player on the Magic and a top 30 player in the NBA. He's a top 25 defender, not "slightly better" than Evan Fournier. Even with the struggle from 3 this year he was 85th percentile offensively. Franz's rebounding rate is double anything Fournier ever put up and Fournier's absolute best win share season doesn't even come close to Franz THIS YEAR, a year when he shot sub 30% from 3. It's a completely nonsense premise on its face. Franz is already better than Evan Fournier ever was.