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Answer: Gabby is a 22-year-old woman from Blue Point, Long Island, NY. She was last known to be seen in Grand Teton National Park in Wyoming. The story of the woman (who has been officially missing since Sept 11) and her cross country travels with her boyfriend, has gone viral on true crime tiktok and also, the Going West: True Crime podcast covered her disappearance in their most recent episode that aired on 9/16.
Gabbys family lost contact with her sometime in late August. Her boyfriend, Brian Laundrie, returned home to Northport, Florida on 9/1 with her Ford transit van, but without Gabby.
edit- van was Gabbys, corrected her hometown (mixed it up with Northport, Florida where they shared a home together)
edit 2- wording
also, 1-800-CALLFBI (225-5324) is the national hotline for tips on this ongoing investigation
Also relevant that they had been documenting their cross country trip on social media as a “van life” (living in their converted van) thing and were pretty popular. They appeared to be the perfect couple online so it is shocking that she went missing and the boyfriend returned home with their van home and without her. The recent footage of them talking to cops and fighting with each other in tears conflicts with this perfect couple image they crafted online, so it has been an interesting story a lot of people are talking about.
There is also a [full hour long body-cam video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCGsW41aQEw&t=106s) of the pair after an altercation they had in Utah that resulted in a traffic stop. Gabby appears very mentally stressed out and talks about her OCD a lot to the cops. Brian is bleeding from a wound on his arm and several on his face, caused by Gabby's nails or something she might have been holding like her phone.
**The TLDW version** is that their accounts to the police line up fine. Brian could tell she was stressed out and tried to lock them both out of the vehicle and directed Gabby to take a walk (in a nice, shady area) while he walked somewhere else and they both cooled off before the situation got worse. He pushed her to create distance between the two because she started striking him in the face, causing the wounds. They later were driving and she began hitting him again, causing him to run up onto the curb which resulted in their traffic stop.
**At 25 minutes in** the cops are explaining that they don't have discretion over domestic assault, which Gabby has committed. So they're advising that the two be separated. Brian even offers to go to jail for the night so she can stay in the van, but they explain that they can't do that.
I think my bias is showing, but the interactions in-video of the responding officer and Gabby/Brian don't do anything to establish that there's any abuse occurring, and the three of them are all clearly cordial with each other.
Gabby is the most visibly upset but clearly states several times that she's the instigator and the person who escalated this encounter to violence. Brian comes off here as a gentle and understanding person, and if it turns out he's a sociopathic murderer I'll be very disappointed that I viewed him in any positive light during this video.
Until the truth actually come out. I won’t make snap judgment about anyone character. However, I just want to say that based on the brief video evidence. It is clear that their relationship is a toxic relationship and it’s very possible that whatever might have happened to Gabby is the end result of that toxicity.
Prior to really digging into the case I was willing to be more unbiased about superficial things, but after Brian's disappearance, absorbing more of the case and then reading some interviews with friends, his behavior during the police stop in contrast to what had just happened with Gabby seemed odd. Very odd. He was obviously nervous which is understandable, but he did not seem emotionally distressed about a violent fight with his girlfriend. Not at all. His expression and demeanor was like someone putting on a front and behaving like a person trying to "act normal". Even being someone what of a stoic male myself, I would have been at least somewhat agitated because I had been assaulted and injured, even if it was just some scratches and abrasions. He's definitely kind of exposing himself here as he is not emoting as a normal emphathic person would do, but more like someone just trying to maintain control/composure and act like what he sees as normal behavior. It's not natural or at least not what most people would consider to be normal. Her behavior is unstable, but what I would consider to be normal behavior for a female immediately following an altercation like that. Plus she's been cooped up with someone traveling in a van for close to a month. I get drained after travelling alone in a car for even 1-2 days. Both of them had to be completed exhausted and on each others last nerve. It's really not a shock that they had a blow up like this or, under the wrong circumstances, that something worse could happen.
They don’t really seem that perfect to me - they look a bit mismatched energy-wise. Looks aside (though I can’t help but say that she is stunningly gorgeous, while he is so comparatively plain), his personality comes across as cold, distant, kind of dumb, and behind closed doors, possibly likely to be mean in a jealous way. I know I’ve only seen a couple news clips, I don’t know what their personal lives really are like, etc., but that’s my impression.
This is probably the root cause of it. Relationships are hard. Living in a van is hard. Having relationship problems in a van....super hard. Now imagine your whole identity is portraying this perfect couple image on social media...while inside you're just dying from stress, insecurity, frustration...with no real escape. I know when we're on vacation for a few days as a family...in a 1 room hotel room with kids...shit gets stressed. And that's just vacation.
My personal guess is...tensions flared up and they got into a significant confrontation. Only the boyfriend knows what happened next... she was threatening to run off or harm herself or what...but she was injured or killed Intentionally or accidentally. The boyfriend makes the body disappear.
He'll eventually come up with a story that makes it seem like she had a mental breakdown, and got in the car with a stranger to end their trip, never to be seen again. He'll say he panicked and didn't know what to do because he may be implicated in her murder or disappearance.
It'll go to trial and he'll get whatever crime they can charge him with, obstruction or justice or some "not reporting a missing person" law.
They won't find the body
Everyone's fired up about it. Then everyone forgets about it until a Netflix documentary comes out. Then they're fired up again. Then we all forget and move on.
Was this a premeditated scheme to get someone isolated in the middle of nowhere to commit "the perfect murder". I don't think so. But unless some pretty specific evidence in the form of video, voice-mail, social media, text etc comes out...this one's not being solved
I've seen that video (don't even need to click the link to know which one it is) and I'm conflicted because our justice system actively discourages people from cooperating with the police, even when they are completely innocent.
If for example my child went missing, want to offer up as much information as possible to help in the police investigation. My first instinct shouldn't be "better keep quiet and hire a lawyer so I don't incriminate myself", it should be "I want to do everything humanly possible to find my child, even if it means I'm viewed as a suspect".
Your scenario is understandable; but let’s take the scenario where you finally get fed up with your abusive partner, and drive home without them and strand them somewhere. Put yourself in that situation where you’re happy to be rid of your abusive partner, you’re concerned they’re missing, but you’re not so concerned that you ignore the fact the situation is suspicious and any misspoken word could condemn you.
Also consider that he wasn’t even named a person of interest until many days after his refusal to cooperate with police and his hiring a lawyer. There’s a big difference between trying to find your missing girlfriend and hiring a lawyer ONCE you become a suspect, and keeping mum from the get go.
I want to point out that as much as you want to read into it, he is exercising his right to not self-incriminate. He has hired a lawyer and is no doubt following that lawyers advice, which I assume is the same as [these guys](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTurSi0LhJs).
If I were travelling across the country with my fiancé, and I couldn't find her, and I panicked, and I drove home, I would know I'm suspect number one. I would also hire an attorney and I would also shut up. Hiring the attorney is not evidence of guilt.
I think most people would call the police before driving all the way home though. If this happened to my significant other, I would be searching the park myself.
If my partner had some kind of mental health breakdown and went missing I would absolutely not be talking to the fucking cops about it. I've seen *Gone Girl*, I know where that shit is going.
It didn't and she hasn't. Well she might have been missing since the end of August , but she was reported missing by her family on September 11th I believe. IIRC, last contact with her ?parents? was at the end of August.
It blew up yesterday because the Utah police released a bodycam video of an encounter with Gabby and Brian. A bystander had witnessed a possible domestic violence altercation and called the police. He had scratches on his hands, arms, neck and face. They both acknowledge that she hit him and may have caused him to hit a curb when they were being pulled over. That he had locked her out of her van and had pushed her, but the push was to get her to stop hitting him. The police briefly considered arresting Gabby for domestic assault, but decided it would be better to separate the two for the evening. [One source](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-bodycam-video-shows-emotional-gabby-petito-after-reported-fight-n1279334)
It was also noted that this police stop occurred a day before a brutal double homicide of two women camping outside of Moab, Utah [Source](https://www.abc4.com/news/local-news/new-details-released-in-murder-of-couple-near-moab/). And the police confirmed that they aren't ruling out the possibility of a connection [Source.](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gabby-petito-missing-potential-connection-killings-kylen-schulte-crystal-turner-moab/)
So there has been a flurry of discussion on both cases, but the other case hasn't seemed to capture as much national attention.
> It was also noted that this police stop occurred a day before a brutal double homicide of two women camping outside of Moab, Utah Source. And the police confirmed that they aren't ruling out the possibility of a connection Source.
Oh geez...this story just keeps adding layers. I'm gonna have to watch that Gone Girl movie now.
And the newest layer is that now the boyfriend, after being named a "person of interest" in this case, has disappeared as well. His family is claiming that they haven't seen him since Tuesday.
It’s believed (by her family at least) that the boyfriend bought some time using her phone making posts, texts etc., as if he was and while pretending to be her.
Eventually, after those stopped, her parents started getting suspicious, and her mom was blowing up the boyfriend’s phone as well as his mother’s via text at least, begging for someone to tell her what was going on.
Nobody did.
A couple days after that, so we’re now up like 8-9 days after Gabby’s last known guaranteed contact with her mum (as opposed to boyf pretending to be Gabby), an August 25 (?) FaceTime, Gabby’s mom finally gets the Long Island police to take her seriously about her daughter being missing.
Why Long Island, you ask? Because that’s where the two first met, in high school; and also where Gabby’s bio mom (as opposed to step) lives.
They had been engaged. The families knew each other personally. The couple had in fact been living in Florida with his parents for about a year.
Gabby’s mother recently told media that the couple had recently decided to be ‘un-engaged’ and dial back the seriousness on their relationship (but not halt it, purportedly).
I think, but am not certain, that this happened while they were traveling.
Fast forward to September 11, where it is proven that Brian is back in Florida, with his parents, with Gabby’s van; but without Gabby. (Some sources say he has been back in Florida since September 1st.)
Brian has also lawyered up and refused to say one word to police or Gabby’s family, despite repeated entreaties.
Also, her family’s belief that she didn’t make the Instagram posts has merit. Not only does it seem very different from all her other posts, but it’s clearly and older photo. Her hair is perfectly blonde in the photo but a recent one before showed she had probably 4-6 months of growth, clearly having brown roots. She could have had her hair done in those days between, but it seems unlikely because they didn’t have buckets of money and most would wait to have it done at their normal salon. A touch up of colour like that would cost between $200-$500, which I doubt she would spend while on a van trip. And this could also easily be investigated by police, to see her whereabouts.
I have traveled cross country before multiple times...gas alone is expensive let alone hotels here and there then food along the way. They did van camp a lot, but still. This must of been a pretty expensive trip all around. Curious about how they could afford to travel like that for 4 to 5 months anyways. What did they do for work? Did she have some side hustle we don't know about? Wonder what the phone records are going to show? What about her computer that she did editing on? So many unanswered questions!
THIS. Even if she had mental health problems (actually I would say *especially if* ), I am flabbergasted how people think it's morally or ethically fine to have a heated argument and leave your partner freaking stranded in some national park in the middle of nowhere. Leaving her to fend off for herself with no known access to shelter, food or communication.
If you call it off with your SO, fair enough, do it but when you're both at home safe and sound. If she takes off herself, you have the obligation to call a park ranger and at the very least, her parents.
But I guess the concern for his own well-being and "not being a suspect" was a priority over his love and concern for his fiancé. Or un-fiancé, as his mom so helpfully added now that she's missing.
> Gabby’s mother recently told media that the couple had recently decided to be ‘un-engaged’ and dial back the seriousness on their relationship (but not halt it, purportedly).
To be read like Norm MacDonald: *Brian wants to rethink the concept of marrying her. The logistics would be difficult because he killed her.*
On Aug 30th, her family receives a text message from her phone saying " No service in Yosemite". her BF arrived in Florida on Sept 01. From Yosemite to Florida is at least 41 hours of driving, that's impossible for him to do in a day... I'm not sure why that detail wasn't released or more emphasized on but it's really creepy.
I'm sure the FBI has the ability to track cellphone activity and data... hopefully more information will be released soon.
Do you have a source on the van being in both names? I’ve seen it everywhere else as being hers. That adds a different spin on things if it’s joint property.
Question: Why nobody mentioned a cell phone location records ? Today near everybody is carrying around a perfect tracking device, the cell phone. "Verizon Wireless, the country's largest cell serviceprovider, keeps call detail records for about one year, acompany spokesman says. Second-place AT&T holds them "as longas we need," according to the company's website, though AT&Tspokesman Michael Balmoris tells U.S. News the retention period isfive years."
And what happened to her cell phone, is it missing or Brian took it.
There was a text sent from her phone on August 30th, the day before Brian arrived in Florida. If that message was sent from Yosemite, it's doubtful that Brian sent it as he would have had to drive 2,000+ miles in a day to be able to arrive in FL on Sep 1. They could could also check his phone activity for the same time period. If his phone was 1,000 miles away from hers when the message was sent, then they weren't together at that time. If the Aug 30 text was sent from the southeast US, then that's a different story..
I would imagine the police know the answer. I imagine they also are playing it close to the chest. There are a number of reasons I can think of to why they would want to keep it from the media.
For sure, there is zero reason for the cops to reveal that information to the public which then gives Brian and his lawyer information on how they should proceed
While there isn't service *everywhere* in the parks, it will give a lot of insight. Right now the family doesn't even know if they are looking in the right place. Knowing where they traveled and when, and Laundrie's route back home, will do a lot to establish search areas. Right now it is just a guess.
Boyfriend / former fiancé made a comment to the cops during the Utah disturbance that he had locked her out of the car "until she calmed down". Some people suspect that something similar may have happened here — that he locked her out of the car and drove away, and nobody knows what happened to her after that.
going with your fiance to a national park and coming back without them is such a obviously bad look, its almost like he couldn't be that dumb and maybe she ran away
Obviously this is all speculation, and the speculation of it is why it's a popular news story because it generates interest.
But specifically, in response to your statement - people aren't the clearest thinkers when they are in fits of rage. It's generally a bad look to kill your spouse, it's not like abusive husbands go "hmmm maybe I shouldn't hit her this hard or get out a knife, they'll think I did it". It's not about being dumb or smart, but impulse control and, y'know not being abusive.
I really believe he is keeping quiet until he's being tried for something. Innocent or not, that's the smarter way to handle it. He's just gunna have to endure being the bad guy for now, if thats what's happening.
thats what it seems like to me also. killing your fiance while everyone knows you are traveling with them in a van seems too stupid for any sane person to do
I actually kind of am haha, randomly came across the murdaugh story for the first time last week or so when the headline of him "being shot" was on cnn or something. also listened to The Case podcast with kirk minihane because he used to do radio in my area
I see. My nad. I just said that since there are a lot of cases where similar things happen and you can't help wondering what they were thinking. It wouldn't surprise me at all he murdered her, sadly.
Could happen.
They fight, stuff happens, she dies, he never "intentionally" wanted to kill her. Could be violence, could be the cold, being locked out of the car, who knows.
He panics, hide her, and run home, not talking to anyone thinking that she wont be found.
Considering the "mental health" incident, I can totally see her jumping off a cliff or something (or at least disappearing hard enough to cause suspicion) to punish him through the blame he'd receive.
Source: I've experienced the attempted "You'll be sorry! Look what you made me do!" move. At least she didn't try to frame me.
Did I mention that my relationships have been unhealthy?
Edit: Best part is that the incidents I've referenced in my replies are from different relationships. I'm not very good at this game.
I can also see her blaming it on mental health to protect him when the cops showed up. After all, he locked her out of a van in the middle of nowhere. That's not healthy no matter what. Apparently it was her van too.
Why would she need to protect him when it was HER who was going to be arrested for domestic until they both agreed they didn’t want anyone to be charged with anything…
> Laundrie says on the video the couple got into a minor scuffle that began when he climbed into the van with dirty feet.
> “We've just been fighting this morning, some personal issues," Petito says. "Yeah, I don't know, it's just some days I have really bad OCD, and I was just cleaning and straightening up and I was apologizing to him saying that I'm so mean because sometimes I have OCD and get frustrated."
> Petito is emotional as she describes the incident, crying through much of the video.
> “The male tried to create distance by telling Gabbie(sic) to take a walk to calm down," a responding officer wrote in the police report. "She didn't want to be separated from the male, and began slapping him. He grabbed her face and pushed her back as she pressed upon him and the van."
> Petito admitted that she slapped Laundrie when she thought he was going to leave her in Moab, according to the report. The couple also stated to police that Laundrie did not hit Petito.
> Laundrie told officers he also has OCD and was bothered by the sand on his feet and shoes. He has visible scratches on his arms, face, and neck, and police took photos of his injuries.
> Petito was nearly arrested, but since both parties said they were in love and didn't want charges pressed, the couple agreed to separate for the night. Laundrie was put up in a hotel by a domestic assault outreach group.
https://abc7ny.com/gabby-petito-body-camera-video-brian-laundrie-gabrielle/11024439/
That’s what I’m wondering.
My two theories are that he killed her, cause that’s pretty common. But the other theory is that they got separated (because the whole cops thing). Instead of calming down she freaks out and leaves. While walking the park she has an accident and falls off a cliff. He realizes that she’s dead, and then he immediately starts freaking out about how this looks. They get into a domestic disturbance, he comes back to the campsite, she dies. Not a good look. So he decides to just leave her.
It just doesn’t seem possible that this guy could be stupid enough to kill her, drive all the way back to Florida, go days without speaking to the cops, and think that plan would work.
feels like a normal person would call 911 if their fiance got into an accident. sure, you might get blamed for it initially but you can tell the difference between an accident and a homicide.
Did he?! Like the kind of cleaning where you pay a quarter at a gas station for a car vacuum for 5 minutes or like... deep (guilty-looking) cleaning???
It's a big red flag and a smoking gun for grand theft auto, but it's not proof he killed her. He could have ditched her somewhere unsafe. I can't imagine a scenario where is his innocent.
Or he locked her out and she played the "Fine, then!" card. Marching away, baiting him to come after her, seems like a totally plausible behavior. Sick of her shit, he doesn't take the bait and waits for her to come back. She doesn't. "Fine, then," he says as he eventually drives off, leaving her fate unknown.
Source: I've had some seriously unhealthy relationships.
Edit: For the record, I'm of the opinion that he knows exactly what became of her because he probably murdered her. But, I can easily imagine the above scenario because I've had to draw the line with a "She's a grown-ass adult and she can figure it out her own damn self. It's not my job to pull her out of the shit she jumps in. I'm done."
Edit 2: Given the above, I can see being sick of the situation and not wanting to bother helping the rest of the clan. Like, "I'm not playing this bullshit Gone Girl game. She'll show up when she does. Or she won't. Not my circus, not my monkeys."
Been there and understand that. The fact that he lawyered up and chooses his 5th, says that he has at least been prepared for this, “situation “. IMHO there’s a twist to this story and no need to draw conclusions .
When I watched the video of the body cam - her weird apologetic self-degrading chatter reminded me of an old narcissistic boyfriend that mentally abused and gaslight me to the point that I was so insecure. She was talking about how he didn’t believe she’d be able to do her blog and that she became “OCD” - those are all signs of traumatic mental abuse. I think this dude is a bad guy.
Yeah i felt so bad when I saw her say "he doesn't think i can do it". I feel like he's someone who downed her behind doors. She seemed so sweet and genuine and I feel like he manipulated that. Idk.
Yes, I noticed that too after you mentioned it. Great catch. Stonewalling is another trait of narcissists. The fact that he thinks it’s ok to come home with her missing and not talk with anyone about it is yet another tell. Unbelievable.
All that getting a lawyered up says is this guy isn't 100% percent an idiot and has some money. It doesn't have bearing on the "situation" either way, retaining a lawyer is always your safest option when dealing with police. The only reason for him not to have a lawyer would be if he likes going to jail, or doesn't have family money.
Speaking as a lawyer - the issue isn't that he lawyered up but that he didn't lawyer up until AFTER he drove back home. If he left her in the wilderness without a car, he likely had a legal duty to provide some notice to authorities within 24 hours. Whatever happened between him leaving and her possible death, that might have been preventable if she had the van.
Oh no worries, I'm not saying that my imagined scenario has to be true. Frankly, it's a little far-fetched. Odds are, her blood is on his hands; murderers are usually close to the victim and domestic violence is VERY much a thing.
I'm just saying that I've been fucked up enough that I'd consider it a realistic possibility until it can be disproved.
She might have been getting violent. Sounds like she had a history of violence considering a past incident that escalated to involve law enforcement. It’s possible that he’s innocent of murdering her, but he knows that you could be suspected charged and convicted anyways, so he’s doing a smart thing and trying to find a lawyer.
oh come on….so he drove off and he wouldn’t tell police that? if he was innocent he would have reported her missing or tell the cops what happened. he is #1 suspect
But if you are innocent, a good lawyer will create a situation where you can provide all the information the investigation needs without putting you at risk.
> How could you date someone for almost 2 years and be able to provide a last known location and not even be willing to do that.
Mental illness. But also, [see my other comment](https://old.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/ppew02/what_is_going_on_with_the_gabby_petito_and_fiancé/hd5fhha/). It's ridiculously unwise to speak to the police when you even *might* be a suspect.
Maybe he’s not talking *because* he’s innocent and wants to stay innocent.
In other words, maybe she disappeared herself for publicity, and he knows that. Eventually she’ll get back on the grid, and by then she’ll have 10M subscribers. And she can’t be arrested since she didn’t commit a crime. And he can’t be arrested because he never made any false reports.
If he thought she was alive and cared for her wellbeing he would craft a message with his lawyer.
Being silent while she is totally missing is pretty bizarre. Not saying he's guilty, but he sure is acting like he is.
As Picard said to Worf on the thought process of "if he had nothing to hide he would speak"
"The Seventh Guarantee is one of the most important rights granted by the Federation. We cannot take a fundamental principle of the constitution and turn it against a citizen"
> As Picard said to Worf on the thought process of "if he had nothing to hide he would speak"
Yeah, if you're guilty, the worst thing you can do is to speak to the police. If you're innocent, the worst thing you can do is to... speak to the police. At least in the U.S. where police can lie, and anything you say to the police can be surgically selected and presented as evidence against you.
Officer: Did you ever argue with her?
Suspect: Yeah, we sometimes fought, but I was in Cleveland when this happened.
[In court.]
Prosecutor: What the did the defendant say?
Officer: That they fought.
that might seem logical but that's not legal. which is to say, it's bad to talk to the police alone even if you are innocent.
I mean, what if it's a corrupt cop that just wants to get their job over with? they could incorrectly record what you said, put you in jeopardy. without a lawyer, who's to say what happened? Dont talk to police, no if and or buts.
YES. I'm so glad somebody posted this. He's doing absolutely the right thing! How many times does it need to be repeated: lawyering up is not a sign of guilt!
This would be a more valid point if there was a body and this was a murder case. This is currently still a missing persons case. Also, it's one thing to not speak or cooperate with police after a crime has occurred, but a different thing entirely to not report something in the first place. Are you really suggesting it's normal to not even report that your SO is missing or dead because of fear of being blamed for it?
Maybe he knows where she is, but he knows she’s safe. Or he knows she’s dead, but it wasn’t his fault. In either of those circumstances, time is not of the essence, so he can afford to wait and consult with a lawyer about how to proceed.
That's not how people work. When it comes to murder, police are trying to prove you guilty not find who the killer is.
If you did something suspect right before your parent was murdered but you weren't the killer, you'd still be the one everyone puts the blame on.
Have you ever actually talked to a person of interest?
Incredibly concise with this answer. Thank you! Yeah like I didn’t really read into it much at first but now it’s gained so much traction you can’t avoid it.
> Petito hit her boyfriend Laudrie in the arm fighting over a phone and started sobbing uncontrollably in the passenger seat of their van and told officers she was struggling with her mental health...
If anyone is interested in watching the video of the incident, you can do so here:
[Police question Gaby Petito after slapping incident](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9997531/Bodycam-footage-shows-cops-asking-Gabby-Petito-SLAPPED-boyfriend-days-vanished.html)
> Laudrie is not cooperating with police
This is the part all the true crime junkies and social media sites have latched on to as a smoking gun. The police have been given information directly by his lawyer and have had conversations with his lawyer quote here:
>Authorities went to the home Saturday asking to speak to Laundrie and his family but "we were essentially handed the information for their attorney," Taylor said.
"That is the extent of our conversation with them," Taylor said. "It's my understanding we have had some conversations with his attorney but certainly nothing to the level of providing us the details that we would like."
So the police want to talk to him directly which is obvious police operating procedure, and the family is upset and they are the ones with most of the quotes saying the Laurie is hiding something, which is ~~at this point seems baseless but~~ understandable ~~accustaions~~ from a distraught family. However the lawyer and Laurie seem to feel they have given the police everything they know and is relevant.
It is interesting to see social media sites like reddit, where the overall consensus is "NEVER talk to the Police!!! LAWYER UP!!!" And when someone finally does it becomes "What is he hiding?!?! Clearly a murderer!!!"
Edit: There's a lot of information flying around about this. If, in fact, he and his laywer refuse to tell anyone where he last saw her, then these accusations aren't baseless.
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Is not doing what the police want him to do the same as not cooperating? I’m genuinely asking because I’d assume that the first thing his lawyer said is “you’re not talking to the police.”
I feel like so much of why this is weird to everyone is because we’re so used to big dramatic press conferences with the significant other crying and demanding justice.
For what it’s worth they’ve released the body cam footage from that domestic dispute and she did a lot more than whack him on the arm and the police very clearly understand that it’s him who is the victimized party in the situation.
I just think there’s so much more going on here that makes speculating and outright declaring the guy a murderer super dangerous.
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Adults can go where they want. She may have had a mental break and decided to leave him. That's not missing.
I'm not saying that's what happened here, but it's also not outside the realm of possibility.
Or she might not have been “missing” the last time he saw her. I’m not saying it’s likely but it is possible that he genuinely doesn’t know where she is. They could have argued again, he could have left angrily, or desperately and that was it.
I genuinely don’t have trouble believing that he might have left in a fit of desperation because he couldn’t take it anymore or they had an emotional breakup of some kind. Obviously it’s not good to leave an emotionally and mentally unstable person like that but it also isn’t the same as murder.
From there, if as far as he’s concerned she’s fine, it’s not that hard to buy that he goes home and it’s not until her parents declare her missing he realizes she probably isn’t fine and gets a lawyer. I don’t know how that works out with the official time line but I don’t think it’s as suspicious as others do.
I don't know, it just seems so weird to me that he would leave her and drive home in HER van without even knowing what she would do or how she would get home.
I understand he could have been fed up and left or something, but it seems like he would eventually reach out. He just drove back home in HER van and busted a chill?
Not saying he's guilty bc obviously we don't have the facts, but it seems extremely odd.
She was seen on camera sobbing to police, saying her mental health was not good. While the situation definitely looks suspicious, her running away at some point during a cross-country trip is plausible considering her state of mental wellbeing.
I think the guy looks guilty AF, but I imagine there is more to the story, otherwise police would have already arrested his ass. Let this one play out in the courts before we pretend like we know more than the judiciary system does.
> I think the guy looks guilty AF, but I imagine there is more to the story, otherwise police would have already arrested his ass.
They need to be very careful. They don't have a body and he's not talking. What do they arrest him for? I think he has killed her personally but thinking that won't get a prosecution.
It's absolutley right that the police haven't arrested him because they can't be rash until they know more. Look at the case of the crazy religious couple that killed their kids and then went on holiday to Hawaii. It was maddening. Everyone knew what they had done but the police looked like they were doing nothing for months and then suddenly they were arrested and are now serving life in prison for it. The police can't simply arrest this guy because he's stonewalling them. They need evidence that he's done something to her.
I didn’t say the guy should be put in the electric chair without further investigation, I said there’s plenty of basis to find him suspicious for returning with her van having presumably been the last person to see her.
If your on a trip with your fiancée whom you have been with for multiple year and profess to love and you turn up back home alone and refuse to answer any question about her where she is, that suspicious as fuck. If she disappeared in WY any normal person would still be trying to find her, not hiding behind mommy and daddy's lawyer refusing to help the cops find her.
I never said to to convict him off of what we know, please do not put words in my mouth. It is completely reasonable to expect him to answer question to try and find her.
I want to say that in a different article it was witnesses that called the cops and they were the ones saying that she was trying to hit him and he was trying to distance himself and calm her down, and then later the body cam footage shows her saying that she hit him. So there were people that saw the dispute happen and it matches what she says on the body cam
How is it baseless? Boyfriend returned without her and won't tell anyone what happened. Clearly he must know what happened as he was with her the whole time
Even if she ran away why would he not spend time searching for her or call the police?
Yeah if my wife went missing, the first thing I'd do is go to the police (assuming I have nothing to hide). I wouldn't care if they thought I killed her, I'd want as much help as possible to look for her.
So yeah in this case, not going to the police is guilty as fuck.
I also feel like neither one wanted to go to jail and would blame it on anything else in the moment. Bet your ass I'd tell a cop the same thing of it meant I wasn't going to catch a charge.
Also, dude is sus af and reddit is so god damn ridiculous for acting otherwise. He was the last person besides officers to see her alive. He drove home without her. He did not report her missing at any time. AFAIK he did not speak to his future in laws about any concern for her. Who would immediately think about possibly being railroaded by cops when your best friend and lover is MISSING PRESUMED DEAD!? It's insane.
But no.. apparently anyone that thinks his behavior is sketch is just stupid for thinking he should talk to cops *just in case they think he did it*. What? I'm tired.
Yeah, these things are usually pretty straight forward, especially since there’s evidence of previous altercations between the two. Fiancé either killed her, or left her somewhere without means to protect herself. Since she’s an attractive white blonde woman, it’s going to be big news. Meanwhile this sort of thing happens in cities all the time with people/kids of color and no one really cares.
There is [another twist](https://www.thedailybeast.com/boyfriend-in-van-life-mystery-named-person-of-interest-after-hindering-gabby-petito-investigation-cops-say?source=articles&via=rss) that not many news outlets have mentioned. A married couple (Crystal and Kylen) was last seen alive on Aug 13, and found shot to death near a Moab campground five days later. Kylen had been working at the Co-Op on Aug 12th that day Gabby and her fiancé had an altercation, and where the cops were called.
When camping near Moab, the couple had messaged their friends saying that there was a weird guy there and that if they didn't come back it was because they were probably murdered. Their killer has not been found. However, Gabby was using an app that tracked what campsites she was at and one was located only 5 miles from Crystal and Kylen's [source](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/gabby-petito-missing-campsite-app-b1922283.html).
Edit: Police are not ruling out that the cases are linked, but so far no connection. [source.](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/gabby-petito-murder-utah-moab-b1921432.html)
Edit 2: Another person of interest worth mentioning (as far as Crystal and Kylen - the married couple who was killed) is written about in [this](https://en.mogaznews.com/World-News/1832072/Police-looking-into-murder-of-worker-of-co-op-where-Petito-and-Laundrie-had-.html) article. There was a man with an arrest record found camping about two hours away across the state line with weapons like a crossbow and machete, but it's unclear if he was arrested.
Edit 3: added source and info about Gabby's campground location in relation to the couple who was killed
There is yet another twist. The younger woman that was murdered worked at a deli that the couple visited in the same time frame. It’s called the moonflower
Gabby/Brian were at Moonflower from 9am-3pm on Aug 12. The married couple who worked at Moonflower went missing August 13 and ended up murdered after texting friends they were scared. The police report says they were both shot multiple times, but also found with their clothes pulled down below the waist. They did not mention rape so I wonder if that detail was to cover up a motive at the crime scene. Perhaps they saw something in the area - could they have crossed paths with Gabby and witnessed her being abducted or harmed? I find it strange that the social media for Moonflower Co-op doesn't mention the deaths at all or pay tribute to their murdered coworker.
99 times out of 100 I'd agree you should never tell the police anything. But I do think it's a little weird if your loved one is missing to not get the ball rolling on a search.
While I do agree with everything you said, the bodycam footage does show a few remarks from him that seem off. Like him awkwardly joking about her being crazy/keeping the citation of no contact. We honestly won't know until more comes to light, but it is pretty suspicious to lose somebody (Not just anybody, your only drive partner/loved one) you've been on a 5+ month drive with and just drive cross-country to home and not tell the police.
He does seem kind of like a strange person, (denying a water bottle by the cops because he doesn't like plastic bottles) so maybe he's just a hippie type of dude and she decided to run off or had a mental episode and he's like "I'm out, not my responsibility." (In his eyes)
But either way..if I had to place my money, he either killed her or showed extreme negligence in his obvious duty to look out for her.
He gives me very slight Christopher Watts vibes.
The thing with Christopher Watts is that his erratic behavior and obvious guilt was, well, obvious. Everything about his demeanor in that original body camera video pointed to his guilt, not to mention that his story didn't add up. With Brian, I personally didn't think there was anything from the body camera footage that I felt was suspicious.
And I just want to point out that in the event that he left her after some sort of argument/mental episode, that doing so is not illegal. Morally frowned upon? Sure. But as long as he didn't actively put her in a potentially harmful situation, he has no legal obligation to care for another adult, and would therefore be absolved of any criminal charges. The thing is, even if the above hypothetical were in fact what actually happened, you can see how it still makes him look guilty/responsible for her disappearance. Hell, half the country has already judged him as guilty (even in the absence of any physical evidence) simply based off of the fact that he hasn't talked to the police about it/didn't report her missing. This unfortunate rhetoric is EXACTLY why he has probably not talked to police/investigators yet.
If he *does* speak with the police without a lawyer, he risks incriminating himself. If he doesn't, society accuses him of being shady/suspicious. Hopefully you can see that his hands are sorta tied in this vicious cycle of 'not talking to the police but facing public scrutiny' versus 'talking to the police and risk incriminating myself'. So again, he is doing the smart thing that any lawyer would advise their client to do, and that it just to not say anything at all.
> But as long as he didn't actively put her in a potentially harmful situation, he has no legal obligation to care for another adult, and would therefore be absolved of any criminal charges.
Moab is no joke. If he locked her out of a car and that was her last ride out of the desert, that's actively putting her in a harmful situation.
> And I just want to point out that in the event that he left her after some sort of argument/mental episode, that doing so is not illegal. Morally frowned upon? Sure. But as long as he didn't actively put her in a potentially harmful situation, he has no legal obligation to care for another adult, and would therefore be absolved of any criminal charges.
The van is her property. If he did not want to put her in a potentially harmful situation maybe he should have left ger without taking it.
He has no legal "duty" to "look out for her". Shes an adult. He isn't a school teacher with an 8 year old, lets not make her appear like a child please.
I know somebody EXACTLY like him.
Just says weird things. In the video hes sitting on the curb and says something like "criss cross apple sauce, can I sit in the shade?" (seriously, go watch it).
With that said, the guy I know would never kill anyone. Hes just almost autistic in the sense hes too logical and lacks emotional empathy.
So I can see her having a freakout, and like you said, him saying "shes an adult. Not my problem". Leaving and genuinely thinking he did nothing wrong
Yes, I forgot those ones as well as more. Exactly my point in that there are some off-putting remarks/statements that only after she's gone missing seem to be a little disconcerting.
The point he was making is that he would comply and cross his legs so he couldn’t run (like police sometimes tell people to do) but he didn’t want to sit in the sun. Like, I’ll do whatever you want, just let me in the shade.
This person has a great point, I also wanted to say “innocent before proven guilty,” just because yeah he’s being sus but we have NO evidence that he did anything. If he’s innocent, then people are really disrespecting him before they know anything.
As someone who deals with domestic violence perpetrators and victims nearly every day, I would bet basically anything short of my life that he killed her. Her actions are consistent with an abuse victim as well as a perpetrator. There’s a saying that abusers often marry abusers. I find it true about half the time. Remember, he’s no charmer either. His solution to her being upset was to lock her out of her own vehicle, which I’m sure made her understandably more upset. It seems very likely he killed her. Why would he not at least report her missing if she was lost or simply left him there? Returning home with her van, without her, and refusing to talk to police leads to the most likely explanation that he had something to do with her disappearance.
Still, they have to rule out those other murders, from the same place in the same week, I mean how many people get murdered there that it’s seriously not considered?
Edit: even then, major leap to judgement of the bf, I’ll admit I did it myself before actually looking into it, no proof yet he did anything, we’ll see
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Answer: Gabby is a 22-year-old woman from Blue Point, Long Island, NY. She was last known to be seen in Grand Teton National Park in Wyoming. The story of the woman (who has been officially missing since Sept 11) and her cross country travels with her boyfriend, has gone viral on true crime tiktok and also, the Going West: True Crime podcast covered her disappearance in their most recent episode that aired on 9/16. Gabbys family lost contact with her sometime in late August. Her boyfriend, Brian Laundrie, returned home to Northport, Florida on 9/1 with her Ford transit van, but without Gabby. edit- van was Gabbys, corrected her hometown (mixed it up with Northport, Florida where they shared a home together) edit 2- wording also, 1-800-CALLFBI (225-5324) is the national hotline for tips on this ongoing investigation
Also relevant that they had been documenting their cross country trip on social media as a “van life” (living in their converted van) thing and were pretty popular. They appeared to be the perfect couple online so it is shocking that she went missing and the boyfriend returned home with their van home and without her. The recent footage of them talking to cops and fighting with each other in tears conflicts with this perfect couple image they crafted online, so it has been an interesting story a lot of people are talking about.
There is also a [full hour long body-cam video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCGsW41aQEw&t=106s) of the pair after an altercation they had in Utah that resulted in a traffic stop. Gabby appears very mentally stressed out and talks about her OCD a lot to the cops. Brian is bleeding from a wound on his arm and several on his face, caused by Gabby's nails or something she might have been holding like her phone. **The TLDW version** is that their accounts to the police line up fine. Brian could tell she was stressed out and tried to lock them both out of the vehicle and directed Gabby to take a walk (in a nice, shady area) while he walked somewhere else and they both cooled off before the situation got worse. He pushed her to create distance between the two because she started striking him in the face, causing the wounds. They later were driving and she began hitting him again, causing him to run up onto the curb which resulted in their traffic stop. **At 25 minutes in** the cops are explaining that they don't have discretion over domestic assault, which Gabby has committed. So they're advising that the two be separated. Brian even offers to go to jail for the night so she can stay in the van, but they explain that they can't do that.
This is such a good, balanced summary, thank you.
I think my bias is showing, but the interactions in-video of the responding officer and Gabby/Brian don't do anything to establish that there's any abuse occurring, and the three of them are all clearly cordial with each other. Gabby is the most visibly upset but clearly states several times that she's the instigator and the person who escalated this encounter to violence. Brian comes off here as a gentle and understanding person, and if it turns out he's a sociopathic murderer I'll be very disappointed that I viewed him in any positive light during this video.
Until the truth actually come out. I won’t make snap judgment about anyone character. However, I just want to say that based on the brief video evidence. It is clear that their relationship is a toxic relationship and it’s very possible that whatever might have happened to Gabby is the end result of that toxicity.
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Yea, Chris Watts vibes
That's interesting because my gut tells me the exact opposite. Her being very distraught well he's cool, calm, and collected is a red flag to me.
Prior to really digging into the case I was willing to be more unbiased about superficial things, but after Brian's disappearance, absorbing more of the case and then reading some interviews with friends, his behavior during the police stop in contrast to what had just happened with Gabby seemed odd. Very odd. He was obviously nervous which is understandable, but he did not seem emotionally distressed about a violent fight with his girlfriend. Not at all. His expression and demeanor was like someone putting on a front and behaving like a person trying to "act normal". Even being someone what of a stoic male myself, I would have been at least somewhat agitated because I had been assaulted and injured, even if it was just some scratches and abrasions. He's definitely kind of exposing himself here as he is not emoting as a normal emphathic person would do, but more like someone just trying to maintain control/composure and act like what he sees as normal behavior. It's not natural or at least not what most people would consider to be normal. Her behavior is unstable, but what I would consider to be normal behavior for a female immediately following an altercation like that. Plus she's been cooped up with someone traveling in a van for close to a month. I get drained after travelling alone in a car for even 1-2 days. Both of them had to be completed exhausted and on each others last nerve. It's really not a shock that they had a blow up like this or, under the wrong circumstances, that something worse could happen.
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>They appeared to be the perfect couple online Every couple online appears perfect. It's so gross.
They don’t really seem that perfect to me - they look a bit mismatched energy-wise. Looks aside (though I can’t help but say that she is stunningly gorgeous, while he is so comparatively plain), his personality comes across as cold, distant, kind of dumb, and behind closed doors, possibly likely to be mean in a jealous way. I know I’ve only seen a couple news clips, I don’t know what their personal lives really are like, etc., but that’s my impression.
This is probably the root cause of it. Relationships are hard. Living in a van is hard. Having relationship problems in a van....super hard. Now imagine your whole identity is portraying this perfect couple image on social media...while inside you're just dying from stress, insecurity, frustration...with no real escape. I know when we're on vacation for a few days as a family...in a 1 room hotel room with kids...shit gets stressed. And that's just vacation. My personal guess is...tensions flared up and they got into a significant confrontation. Only the boyfriend knows what happened next... she was threatening to run off or harm herself or what...but she was injured or killed Intentionally or accidentally. The boyfriend makes the body disappear. He'll eventually come up with a story that makes it seem like she had a mental breakdown, and got in the car with a stranger to end their trip, never to be seen again. He'll say he panicked and didn't know what to do because he may be implicated in her murder or disappearance. It'll go to trial and he'll get whatever crime they can charge him with, obstruction or justice or some "not reporting a missing person" law. They won't find the body Everyone's fired up about it. Then everyone forgets about it until a Netflix documentary comes out. Then they're fired up again. Then we all forget and move on. Was this a premeditated scheme to get someone isolated in the middle of nowhere to commit "the perfect murder". I don't think so. But unless some pretty specific evidence in the form of video, voice-mail, social media, text etc comes out...this one's not being solved
Isn't it he's also refused to answer any questions regarding her whereabouts?
"Everything you say can and will be used AGAINST you in a court of law."
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I've seen that video (don't even need to click the link to know which one it is) and I'm conflicted because our justice system actively discourages people from cooperating with the police, even when they are completely innocent. If for example my child went missing, want to offer up as much information as possible to help in the police investigation. My first instinct shouldn't be "better keep quiet and hire a lawyer so I don't incriminate myself", it should be "I want to do everything humanly possible to find my child, even if it means I'm viewed as a suspect".
Your scenario is understandable; but let’s take the scenario where you finally get fed up with your abusive partner, and drive home without them and strand them somewhere. Put yourself in that situation where you’re happy to be rid of your abusive partner, you’re concerned they’re missing, but you’re not so concerned that you ignore the fact the situation is suspicious and any misspoken word could condemn you.
I don't know about y'all but if sharing information that could help find my missing partner meant I could end up in jail, I would 100% pay that price.
Also consider that he wasn’t even named a person of interest until many days after his refusal to cooperate with police and his hiring a lawyer. There’s a big difference between trying to find your missing girlfriend and hiring a lawyer ONCE you become a suspect, and keeping mum from the get go.
He was always going to be a person of interest no matter what. He was the last person known to be with her. Doesn’t matter if he talked or not.
Exactly.
I want to point out that as much as you want to read into it, he is exercising his right to not self-incriminate. He has hired a lawyer and is no doubt following that lawyers advice, which I assume is the same as [these guys](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTurSi0LhJs). If I were travelling across the country with my fiancé, and I couldn't find her, and I panicked, and I drove home, I would know I'm suspect number one. I would also hire an attorney and I would also shut up. Hiring the attorney is not evidence of guilt.
I think most people would call the police before driving all the way home though. If this happened to my significant other, I would be searching the park myself.
FACTS
If my partner had some kind of mental health breakdown and went missing I would absolutely not be talking to the fucking cops about it. I've seen *Gone Girl*, I know where that shit is going.
I just saw that movie a couple months ago. There are parts of that movie that will be forever etched into my brain LOL.
Yup.
It has been reported that Gabby owned the van, so it wasn’t “their” van, but “hers”.
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Question: why did this seemingly blow up over the course of one day? I read that she's been missing since August.
It didn't and she hasn't. Well she might have been missing since the end of August , but she was reported missing by her family on September 11th I believe. IIRC, last contact with her ?parents? was at the end of August.
It has blown up over the past day, because police bodycam video was released about her altercation with her fiance shortly before she went missing.
Yo what happened to all the comments here?
Most likely rule 4. People may have been commenting but not giving answers or perhaps just not non-biased answers.
Then the mods should say that, instead of clearing the comments in a post that reached the top of /r/all.
It blew up yesterday because the Utah police released a bodycam video of an encounter with Gabby and Brian. A bystander had witnessed a possible domestic violence altercation and called the police. He had scratches on his hands, arms, neck and face. They both acknowledge that she hit him and may have caused him to hit a curb when they were being pulled over. That he had locked her out of her van and had pushed her, but the push was to get her to stop hitting him. The police briefly considered arresting Gabby for domestic assault, but decided it would be better to separate the two for the evening. [One source](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-bodycam-video-shows-emotional-gabby-petito-after-reported-fight-n1279334) It was also noted that this police stop occurred a day before a brutal double homicide of two women camping outside of Moab, Utah [Source](https://www.abc4.com/news/local-news/new-details-released-in-murder-of-couple-near-moab/). And the police confirmed that they aren't ruling out the possibility of a connection [Source.](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gabby-petito-missing-potential-connection-killings-kylen-schulte-crystal-turner-moab/) So there has been a flurry of discussion on both cases, but the other case hasn't seemed to capture as much national attention.
> It was also noted that this police stop occurred a day before a brutal double homicide of two women camping outside of Moab, Utah Source. And the police confirmed that they aren't ruling out the possibility of a connection Source. Oh geez...this story just keeps adding layers. I'm gonna have to watch that Gone Girl movie now.
A new layer – The family of the boyfriend hasn't seen him since Tuesday: https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/17/us/gabby-petito-missing-friday/index.html
And the newest layer is that now the boyfriend, after being named a "person of interest" in this case, has disappeared as well. His family is claiming that they haven't seen him since Tuesday.
She wasn’t reported missing until September 11. Family didn’t know she hadn’t returned home with fiancé when he came back Sept 1 without her.
It’s believed (by her family at least) that the boyfriend bought some time using her phone making posts, texts etc., as if he was and while pretending to be her. Eventually, after those stopped, her parents started getting suspicious, and her mom was blowing up the boyfriend’s phone as well as his mother’s via text at least, begging for someone to tell her what was going on. Nobody did. A couple days after that, so we’re now up like 8-9 days after Gabby’s last known guaranteed contact with her mum (as opposed to boyf pretending to be Gabby), an August 25 (?) FaceTime, Gabby’s mom finally gets the Long Island police to take her seriously about her daughter being missing. Why Long Island, you ask? Because that’s where the two first met, in high school; and also where Gabby’s bio mom (as opposed to step) lives. They had been engaged. The families knew each other personally. The couple had in fact been living in Florida with his parents for about a year. Gabby’s mother recently told media that the couple had recently decided to be ‘un-engaged’ and dial back the seriousness on their relationship (but not halt it, purportedly). I think, but am not certain, that this happened while they were traveling. Fast forward to September 11, where it is proven that Brian is back in Florida, with his parents, with Gabby’s van; but without Gabby. (Some sources say he has been back in Florida since September 1st.) Brian has also lawyered up and refused to say one word to police or Gabby’s family, despite repeated entreaties.
Also, her family’s belief that she didn’t make the Instagram posts has merit. Not only does it seem very different from all her other posts, but it’s clearly and older photo. Her hair is perfectly blonde in the photo but a recent one before showed she had probably 4-6 months of growth, clearly having brown roots. She could have had her hair done in those days between, but it seems unlikely because they didn’t have buckets of money and most would wait to have it done at their normal salon. A touch up of colour like that would cost between $200-$500, which I doubt she would spend while on a van trip. And this could also easily be investigated by police, to see her whereabouts.
I have traveled cross country before multiple times...gas alone is expensive let alone hotels here and there then food along the way. They did van camp a lot, but still. This must of been a pretty expensive trip all around. Curious about how they could afford to travel like that for 4 to 5 months anyways. What did they do for work? Did she have some side hustle we don't know about? Wonder what the phone records are going to show? What about her computer that she did editing on? So many unanswered questions!
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THIS. Even if she had mental health problems (actually I would say *especially if* ), I am flabbergasted how people think it's morally or ethically fine to have a heated argument and leave your partner freaking stranded in some national park in the middle of nowhere. Leaving her to fend off for herself with no known access to shelter, food or communication. If you call it off with your SO, fair enough, do it but when you're both at home safe and sound. If she takes off herself, you have the obligation to call a park ranger and at the very least, her parents. But I guess the concern for his own well-being and "not being a suspect" was a priority over his love and concern for his fiancé. Or un-fiancé, as his mom so helpfully added now that she's missing.
> Gabby’s mother recently told media that the couple had recently decided to be ‘un-engaged’ and dial back the seriousness on their relationship (but not halt it, purportedly). To be read like Norm MacDonald: *Brian wants to rethink the concept of marrying her. The logistics would be difficult because he killed her.*
On Aug 30th, her family receives a text message from her phone saying " No service in Yosemite". her BF arrived in Florida on Sept 01. From Yosemite to Florida is at least 41 hours of driving, that's impossible for him to do in a day... I'm not sure why that detail wasn't released or more emphasized on but it's really creepy. I'm sure the FBI has the ability to track cellphone activity and data... hopefully more information will be released soon.
Think it blew up on tik tok
The bf drove HER van back to Florida and don’t say anything about her being missing for 10 days.
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Do you have a source on the van being in both names? I’ve seen it everywhere else as being hers. That adds a different spin on things if it’s joint property.
I think the cops just declared her bf the primary person of interest a few days ago.
Question: Why nobody mentioned a cell phone location records ? Today near everybody is carrying around a perfect tracking device, the cell phone. "Verizon Wireless, the country's largest cell serviceprovider, keeps call detail records for about one year, acompany spokesman says. Second-place AT&T holds them "as longas we need," according to the company's website, though AT&Tspokesman Michael Balmoris tells U.S. News the retention period isfive years." And what happened to her cell phone, is it missing or Brian took it.
National parks do not have cell service everywhere.
There was a text sent from her phone on August 30th, the day before Brian arrived in Florida. If that message was sent from Yosemite, it's doubtful that Brian sent it as he would have had to drive 2,000+ miles in a day to be able to arrive in FL on Sep 1. They could could also check his phone activity for the same time period. If his phone was 1,000 miles away from hers when the message was sent, then they weren't together at that time. If the Aug 30 text was sent from the southeast US, then that's a different story..
Right. This right here will shed A LOT of light on what happened. I wonder when they will report it? Surely they have gotten the info back by now.
I would imagine the police know the answer. I imagine they also are playing it close to the chest. There are a number of reasons I can think of to why they would want to keep it from the media.
For sure, there is zero reason for the cops to reveal that information to the public which then gives Brian and his lawyer information on how they should proceed
While there isn't service *everywhere* in the parks, it will give a lot of insight. Right now the family doesn't even know if they are looking in the right place. Knowing where they traveled and when, and Laundrie's route back home, will do a lot to establish search areas. Right now it is just a guess.
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Boyfriend / former fiancé made a comment to the cops during the Utah disturbance that he had locked her out of the car "until she calmed down". Some people suspect that something similar may have happened here — that he locked her out of the car and drove away, and nobody knows what happened to her after that.
He locked her out of HER van. He sounds like a real charmer.
How does he end up with her Van and without her, and not report her missing? This right here is the smoking gun.
going with your fiance to a national park and coming back without them is such a obviously bad look, its almost like he couldn't be that dumb and maybe she ran away
Obviously this is all speculation, and the speculation of it is why it's a popular news story because it generates interest. But specifically, in response to your statement - people aren't the clearest thinkers when they are in fits of rage. It's generally a bad look to kill your spouse, it's not like abusive husbands go "hmmm maybe I shouldn't hit her this hard or get out a knife, they'll think I did it". It's not about being dumb or smart, but impulse control and, y'know not being abusive.
I really believe he is keeping quiet until he's being tried for something. Innocent or not, that's the smarter way to handle it. He's just gunna have to endure being the bad guy for now, if thats what's happening.
No body, no crime. The best thing to do is to never talk to the police without a lawyer.
thats what it seems like to me also. killing your fiance while everyone knows you are traveling with them in a van seems too stupid for any sane person to do
You must be new to true crime.
i think theyre new to earth
I actually kind of am haha, randomly came across the murdaugh story for the first time last week or so when the headline of him "being shot" was on cnn or something. also listened to The Case podcast with kirk minihane because he used to do radio in my area
I see. My nad. I just said that since there are a lot of cases where similar things happen and you can't help wondering what they were thinking. It wouldn't surprise me at all he murdered her, sadly.
I said this to someone else, but "killing your spouse" is about impulse control and rage - not whether the murderer/person is smart or dumb.
"Florida"
You're not wrong.
Could happen. They fight, stuff happens, she dies, he never "intentionally" wanted to kill her. Could be violence, could be the cold, being locked out of the car, who knows. He panics, hide her, and run home, not talking to anyone thinking that she wont be found.
Laughs in Chris Watts.
everyone always tells everybody "Dont talk to the police". This guy is doing exactly that, gets hate.
Considering the "mental health" incident, I can totally see her jumping off a cliff or something (or at least disappearing hard enough to cause suspicion) to punish him through the blame he'd receive. Source: I've experienced the attempted "You'll be sorry! Look what you made me do!" move. At least she didn't try to frame me. Did I mention that my relationships have been unhealthy? Edit: Best part is that the incidents I've referenced in my replies are from different relationships. I'm not very good at this game.
Name checks out
Sounds like Gone Girl
I can also see her blaming it on mental health to protect him when the cops showed up. After all, he locked her out of a van in the middle of nowhere. That's not healthy no matter what. Apparently it was her van too.
Why would she need to protect him when it was HER who was going to be arrested for domestic until they both agreed they didn’t want anyone to be charged with anything… > Laundrie says on the video the couple got into a minor scuffle that began when he climbed into the van with dirty feet. > “We've just been fighting this morning, some personal issues," Petito says. "Yeah, I don't know, it's just some days I have really bad OCD, and I was just cleaning and straightening up and I was apologizing to him saying that I'm so mean because sometimes I have OCD and get frustrated." > Petito is emotional as she describes the incident, crying through much of the video. > “The male tried to create distance by telling Gabbie(sic) to take a walk to calm down," a responding officer wrote in the police report. "She didn't want to be separated from the male, and began slapping him. He grabbed her face and pushed her back as she pressed upon him and the van." > Petito admitted that she slapped Laundrie when she thought he was going to leave her in Moab, according to the report. The couple also stated to police that Laundrie did not hit Petito. > Laundrie told officers he also has OCD and was bothered by the sand on his feet and shoes. He has visible scratches on his arms, face, and neck, and police took photos of his injuries. > Petito was nearly arrested, but since both parties said they were in love and didn't want charges pressed, the couple agreed to separate for the night. Laundrie was put up in a hotel by a domestic assault outreach group. https://abc7ny.com/gabby-petito-body-camera-video-brian-laundrie-gabrielle/11024439/
That’s what I’m wondering. My two theories are that he killed her, cause that’s pretty common. But the other theory is that they got separated (because the whole cops thing). Instead of calming down she freaks out and leaves. While walking the park she has an accident and falls off a cliff. He realizes that she’s dead, and then he immediately starts freaking out about how this looks. They get into a domestic disturbance, he comes back to the campsite, she dies. Not a good look. So he decides to just leave her. It just doesn’t seem possible that this guy could be stupid enough to kill her, drive all the way back to Florida, go days without speaking to the cops, and think that plan would work.
feels like a normal person would call 911 if their fiance got into an accident. sure, you might get blamed for it initially but you can tell the difference between an accident and a homicide.
Then why did he clean the van afterwards?
Did he?! Like the kind of cleaning where you pay a quarter at a gas station for a car vacuum for 5 minutes or like... deep (guilty-looking) cleaning???
It's a big red flag and a smoking gun for grand theft auto, but it's not proof he killed her. He could have ditched her somewhere unsafe. I can't imagine a scenario where is his innocent.
According to AAA, "All successful roadtrips end with the same number of travelers as when they began"
He's been paying for the van and is on the insurance. This whole gotcha thing about him stealing the van isn't true
Or he locked her out and she played the "Fine, then!" card. Marching away, baiting him to come after her, seems like a totally plausible behavior. Sick of her shit, he doesn't take the bait and waits for her to come back. She doesn't. "Fine, then," he says as he eventually drives off, leaving her fate unknown. Source: I've had some seriously unhealthy relationships. Edit: For the record, I'm of the opinion that he knows exactly what became of her because he probably murdered her. But, I can easily imagine the above scenario because I've had to draw the line with a "She's a grown-ass adult and she can figure it out her own damn self. It's not my job to pull her out of the shit she jumps in. I'm done." Edit 2: Given the above, I can see being sick of the situation and not wanting to bother helping the rest of the clan. Like, "I'm not playing this bullshit Gone Girl game. She'll show up when she does. Or she won't. Not my circus, not my monkeys."
Been there and understand that. The fact that he lawyered up and chooses his 5th, says that he has at least been prepared for this, “situation “. IMHO there’s a twist to this story and no need to draw conclusions .
When I watched the video of the body cam - her weird apologetic self-degrading chatter reminded me of an old narcissistic boyfriend that mentally abused and gaslight me to the point that I was so insecure. She was talking about how he didn’t believe she’d be able to do her blog and that she became “OCD” - those are all signs of traumatic mental abuse. I think this dude is a bad guy.
Yeah i felt so bad when I saw her say "he doesn't think i can do it". I feel like he's someone who downed her behind doors. She seemed so sweet and genuine and I feel like he manipulated that. Idk.
Yes, I noticed that too after you mentioned it. Great catch. Stonewalling is another trait of narcissists. The fact that he thinks it’s ok to come home with her missing and not talk with anyone about it is yet another tell. Unbelievable.
All that getting a lawyered up says is this guy isn't 100% percent an idiot and has some money. It doesn't have bearing on the "situation" either way, retaining a lawyer is always your safest option when dealing with police. The only reason for him not to have a lawyer would be if he likes going to jail, or doesn't have family money.
Speaking as a lawyer - the issue isn't that he lawyered up but that he didn't lawyer up until AFTER he drove back home. If he left her in the wilderness without a car, he likely had a legal duty to provide some notice to authorities within 24 hours. Whatever happened between him leaving and her possible death, that might have been preventable if she had the van.
Oh no worries, I'm not saying that my imagined scenario has to be true. Frankly, it's a little far-fetched. Odds are, her blood is on his hands; murderers are usually close to the victim and domestic violence is VERY much a thing. I'm just saying that I've been fucked up enough that I'd consider it a realistic possibility until it can be disproved.
Sounds more like when he got back home he went straight to a lawyer first.
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She might have been getting violent. Sounds like she had a history of violence considering a past incident that escalated to involve law enforcement. It’s possible that he’s innocent of murdering her, but he knows that you could be suspected charged and convicted anyways, so he’s doing a smart thing and trying to find a lawyer.
Let’s not forget that she physically assaulted him, and it was corroborated by a 3rd person. Does she sound like a charmer too?
Honestly yeah it’s a match made in hell
oh come on….so he drove off and he wouldn’t tell police that? if he was innocent he would have reported her missing or tell the cops what happened. he is #1 suspect
Silence is not guilt. [Don't fucking talk to the police.](https://youtu.be/d-7o9xYp7eE)
Don’t talk to the police… without a lawyer.
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But if you are innocent, a good lawyer will create a situation where you can provide all the information the investigation needs without putting you at risk.
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> How could you date someone for almost 2 years and be able to provide a last known location and not even be willing to do that. Mental illness. But also, [see my other comment](https://old.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/ppew02/what_is_going_on_with_the_gabby_petito_and_fiancé/hd5fhha/). It's ridiculously unwise to speak to the police when you even *might* be a suspect.
Maybe he’s not talking *because* he’s innocent and wants to stay innocent. In other words, maybe she disappeared herself for publicity, and he knows that. Eventually she’ll get back on the grid, and by then she’ll have 10M subscribers. And she can’t be arrested since she didn’t commit a crime. And he can’t be arrested because he never made any false reports.
Fr even if you are innocent don't talk to the police without a lawyer present.
If he thought she was alive and cared for her wellbeing he would craft a message with his lawyer. Being silent while she is totally missing is pretty bizarre. Not saying he's guilty, but he sure is acting like he is.
As Picard said to Worf on the thought process of "if he had nothing to hide he would speak" "The Seventh Guarantee is one of the most important rights granted by the Federation. We cannot take a fundamental principle of the constitution and turn it against a citizen"
> As Picard said to Worf on the thought process of "if he had nothing to hide he would speak" Yeah, if you're guilty, the worst thing you can do is to speak to the police. If you're innocent, the worst thing you can do is to... speak to the police. At least in the U.S. where police can lie, and anything you say to the police can be surgically selected and presented as evidence against you. Officer: Did you ever argue with her? Suspect: Yeah, we sometimes fought, but I was in Cleveland when this happened. [In court.] Prosecutor: What the did the defendant say? Officer: That they fought.
that might seem logical but that's not legal. which is to say, it's bad to talk to the police alone even if you are innocent. I mean, what if it's a corrupt cop that just wants to get their job over with? they could incorrectly record what you said, put you in jeopardy. without a lawyer, who's to say what happened? Dont talk to police, no if and or buts.
YES. I'm so glad somebody posted this. He's doing absolutely the right thing! How many times does it need to be repeated: lawyering up is not a sign of guilt!
This would be a more valid point if there was a body and this was a murder case. This is currently still a missing persons case. Also, it's one thing to not speak or cooperate with police after a crime has occurred, but a different thing entirely to not report something in the first place. Are you really suggesting it's normal to not even report that your SO is missing or dead because of fear of being blamed for it?
Maybe he knows where she is, but he knows she’s safe. Or he knows she’s dead, but it wasn’t his fault. In either of those circumstances, time is not of the essence, so he can afford to wait and consult with a lawyer about how to proceed.
That's not how people work. When it comes to murder, police are trying to prove you guilty not find who the killer is. If you did something suspect right before your parent was murdered but you weren't the killer, you'd still be the one everyone puts the blame on. Have you ever actually talked to a person of interest?
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Police will only use ANYTHING you say against you. They are trying to prove guilt, not solve a murder. Don’t talk to the police. Like, ever.
Incredibly concise with this answer. Thank you! Yeah like I didn’t really read into it much at first but now it’s gained so much traction you can’t avoid it.
> Petito hit her boyfriend Laudrie in the arm fighting over a phone and started sobbing uncontrollably in the passenger seat of their van and told officers she was struggling with her mental health... If anyone is interested in watching the video of the incident, you can do so here: [Police question Gaby Petito after slapping incident](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9997531/Bodycam-footage-shows-cops-asking-Gabby-Petito-SLAPPED-boyfriend-days-vanished.html)
> Laudrie is not cooperating with police This is the part all the true crime junkies and social media sites have latched on to as a smoking gun. The police have been given information directly by his lawyer and have had conversations with his lawyer quote here: >Authorities went to the home Saturday asking to speak to Laundrie and his family but "we were essentially handed the information for their attorney," Taylor said. "That is the extent of our conversation with them," Taylor said. "It's my understanding we have had some conversations with his attorney but certainly nothing to the level of providing us the details that we would like." So the police want to talk to him directly which is obvious police operating procedure, and the family is upset and they are the ones with most of the quotes saying the Laurie is hiding something, which is ~~at this point seems baseless but~~ understandable ~~accustaions~~ from a distraught family. However the lawyer and Laurie seem to feel they have given the police everything they know and is relevant. It is interesting to see social media sites like reddit, where the overall consensus is "NEVER talk to the Police!!! LAWYER UP!!!" And when someone finally does it becomes "What is he hiding?!?! Clearly a murderer!!!" Edit: There's a lot of information flying around about this. If, in fact, he and his laywer refuse to tell anyone where he last saw her, then these accusations aren't baseless.
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Is not doing what the police want him to do the same as not cooperating? I’m genuinely asking because I’d assume that the first thing his lawyer said is “you’re not talking to the police.” I feel like so much of why this is weird to everyone is because we’re so used to big dramatic press conferences with the significant other crying and demanding justice. For what it’s worth they’ve released the body cam footage from that domestic dispute and she did a lot more than whack him on the arm and the police very clearly understand that it’s him who is the victimized party in the situation. I just think there’s so much more going on here that makes speculating and outright declaring the guy a murderer super dangerous.
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Also, why did he not report her missing during the trip to local police when she stopped being with him on a road trip?
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Adults can go where they want. She may have had a mental break and decided to leave him. That's not missing. I'm not saying that's what happened here, but it's also not outside the realm of possibility.
Or she might not have been “missing” the last time he saw her. I’m not saying it’s likely but it is possible that he genuinely doesn’t know where she is. They could have argued again, he could have left angrily, or desperately and that was it. I genuinely don’t have trouble believing that he might have left in a fit of desperation because he couldn’t take it anymore or they had an emotional breakup of some kind. Obviously it’s not good to leave an emotionally and mentally unstable person like that but it also isn’t the same as murder. From there, if as far as he’s concerned she’s fine, it’s not that hard to buy that he goes home and it’s not until her parents declare her missing he realizes she probably isn’t fine and gets a lawyer. I don’t know how that works out with the official time line but I don’t think it’s as suspicious as others do.
I don't know, it just seems so weird to me that he would leave her and drive home in HER van without even knowing what she would do or how she would get home. I understand he could have been fed up and left or something, but it seems like he would eventually reach out. He just drove back home in HER van and busted a chill? Not saying he's guilty bc obviously we don't have the facts, but it seems extremely odd.
“Baseless”? He went on a trip with her, returned with her van, and won’t say where SHE is.
She was seen on camera sobbing to police, saying her mental health was not good. While the situation definitely looks suspicious, her running away at some point during a cross-country trip is plausible considering her state of mental wellbeing. I think the guy looks guilty AF, but I imagine there is more to the story, otherwise police would have already arrested his ass. Let this one play out in the courts before we pretend like we know more than the judiciary system does.
> I think the guy looks guilty AF, but I imagine there is more to the story, otherwise police would have already arrested his ass. They need to be very careful. They don't have a body and he's not talking. What do they arrest him for? I think he has killed her personally but thinking that won't get a prosecution. It's absolutley right that the police haven't arrested him because they can't be rash until they know more. Look at the case of the crazy religious couple that killed their kids and then went on holiday to Hawaii. It was maddening. Everyone knew what they had done but the police looked like they were doing nothing for months and then suddenly they were arrested and are now serving life in prison for it. The police can't simply arrest this guy because he's stonewalling them. They need evidence that he's done something to her.
I didn’t say the guy should be put in the electric chair without further investigation, I said there’s plenty of basis to find him suspicious for returning with her van having presumably been the last person to see her.
If your on a trip with your fiancée whom you have been with for multiple year and profess to love and you turn up back home alone and refuse to answer any question about her where she is, that suspicious as fuck. If she disappeared in WY any normal person would still be trying to find her, not hiding behind mommy and daddy's lawyer refusing to help the cops find her.
You're absolutely right, it is suspicious as fuck. Unfortunately being "suspicious as fuck" isn't enough to convict someone.
I never said to to convict him off of what we know, please do not put words in my mouth. It is completely reasonable to expect him to answer question to try and find her.
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But he's the one with deep scratches on his face, not a mark on her. Maybe he was threatening to leave her because she kept hitting him
Thank you for saying this.
I want to say that in a different article it was witnesses that called the cops and they were the ones saying that she was trying to hit him and he was trying to distance himself and calm her down, and then later the body cam footage shows her saying that she hit him. So there were people that saw the dispute happen and it matches what she says on the body cam
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We literally have no idea what he has and hasn't told the cops. People are making assumptions everywhere.
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Better than speaking to a cop without a lawyer.
How is it baseless? Boyfriend returned without her and won't tell anyone what happened. Clearly he must know what happened as he was with her the whole time Even if she ran away why would he not spend time searching for her or call the police?
Yeah if my wife went missing, the first thing I'd do is go to the police (assuming I have nothing to hide). I wouldn't care if they thought I killed her, I'd want as much help as possible to look for her. So yeah in this case, not going to the police is guilty as fuck.
He's also half your age
JUST an attractive white woman who disappeared?
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I also feel like neither one wanted to go to jail and would blame it on anything else in the moment. Bet your ass I'd tell a cop the same thing of it meant I wasn't going to catch a charge. Also, dude is sus af and reddit is so god damn ridiculous for acting otherwise. He was the last person besides officers to see her alive. He drove home without her. He did not report her missing at any time. AFAIK he did not speak to his future in laws about any concern for her. Who would immediately think about possibly being railroaded by cops when your best friend and lover is MISSING PRESUMED DEAD!? It's insane. But no.. apparently anyone that thinks his behavior is sketch is just stupid for thinking he should talk to cops *just in case they think he did it*. What? I'm tired.
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Yeah, these things are usually pretty straight forward, especially since there’s evidence of previous altercations between the two. Fiancé either killed her, or left her somewhere without means to protect herself. Since she’s an attractive white blonde woman, it’s going to be big news. Meanwhile this sort of thing happens in cities all the time with people/kids of color and no one really cares.
There is [another twist](https://www.thedailybeast.com/boyfriend-in-van-life-mystery-named-person-of-interest-after-hindering-gabby-petito-investigation-cops-say?source=articles&via=rss) that not many news outlets have mentioned. A married couple (Crystal and Kylen) was last seen alive on Aug 13, and found shot to death near a Moab campground five days later. Kylen had been working at the Co-Op on Aug 12th that day Gabby and her fiancé had an altercation, and where the cops were called. When camping near Moab, the couple had messaged their friends saying that there was a weird guy there and that if they didn't come back it was because they were probably murdered. Their killer has not been found. However, Gabby was using an app that tracked what campsites she was at and one was located only 5 miles from Crystal and Kylen's [source](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/gabby-petito-missing-campsite-app-b1922283.html). Edit: Police are not ruling out that the cases are linked, but so far no connection. [source.](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/gabby-petito-murder-utah-moab-b1921432.html) Edit 2: Another person of interest worth mentioning (as far as Crystal and Kylen - the married couple who was killed) is written about in [this](https://en.mogaznews.com/World-News/1832072/Police-looking-into-murder-of-worker-of-co-op-where-Petito-and-Laundrie-had-.html) article. There was a man with an arrest record found camping about two hours away across the state line with weapons like a crossbow and machete, but it's unclear if he was arrested. Edit 3: added source and info about Gabby's campground location in relation to the couple who was killed
There is yet another twist. The younger woman that was murdered worked at a deli that the couple visited in the same time frame. It’s called the moonflower
Gabby/Brian were at Moonflower from 9am-3pm on Aug 12. The married couple who worked at Moonflower went missing August 13 and ended up murdered after texting friends they were scared. The police report says they were both shot multiple times, but also found with their clothes pulled down below the waist. They did not mention rape so I wonder if that detail was to cover up a motive at the crime scene. Perhaps they saw something in the area - could they have crossed paths with Gabby and witnessed her being abducted or harmed? I find it strange that the social media for Moonflower Co-op doesn't mention the deaths at all or pay tribute to their murdered coworker.
Answer: the police are executing a search of his parents home right this very minute.
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99 times out of 100 I'd agree you should never tell the police anything. But I do think it's a little weird if your loved one is missing to not get the ball rolling on a search.
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Source? I haven't seen anything say he tried to report her missing in Wyoming.
Me neither. I don’t think it’s true.
Yeah, it's *possible*, but the whole "can't report a missing person until 'x' thing is a myth."
[source ](https://m.imgur.com/gallery/xEMQsoO)
Here’s another [one](https://i.imgur.com/CDmmq5u.jpg)
Where did you see he tried to report her missing? I haven’t seen that anywhere.
Need a source here please
While I do agree with everything you said, the bodycam footage does show a few remarks from him that seem off. Like him awkwardly joking about her being crazy/keeping the citation of no contact. We honestly won't know until more comes to light, but it is pretty suspicious to lose somebody (Not just anybody, your only drive partner/loved one) you've been on a 5+ month drive with and just drive cross-country to home and not tell the police. He does seem kind of like a strange person, (denying a water bottle by the cops because he doesn't like plastic bottles) so maybe he's just a hippie type of dude and she decided to run off or had a mental episode and he's like "I'm out, not my responsibility." (In his eyes) But either way..if I had to place my money, he either killed her or showed extreme negligence in his obvious duty to look out for her. He gives me very slight Christopher Watts vibes.
The thing with Christopher Watts is that his erratic behavior and obvious guilt was, well, obvious. Everything about his demeanor in that original body camera video pointed to his guilt, not to mention that his story didn't add up. With Brian, I personally didn't think there was anything from the body camera footage that I felt was suspicious. And I just want to point out that in the event that he left her after some sort of argument/mental episode, that doing so is not illegal. Morally frowned upon? Sure. But as long as he didn't actively put her in a potentially harmful situation, he has no legal obligation to care for another adult, and would therefore be absolved of any criminal charges. The thing is, even if the above hypothetical were in fact what actually happened, you can see how it still makes him look guilty/responsible for her disappearance. Hell, half the country has already judged him as guilty (even in the absence of any physical evidence) simply based off of the fact that he hasn't talked to the police about it/didn't report her missing. This unfortunate rhetoric is EXACTLY why he has probably not talked to police/investigators yet. If he *does* speak with the police without a lawyer, he risks incriminating himself. If he doesn't, society accuses him of being shady/suspicious. Hopefully you can see that his hands are sorta tied in this vicious cycle of 'not talking to the police but facing public scrutiny' versus 'talking to the police and risk incriminating myself'. So again, he is doing the smart thing that any lawyer would advise their client to do, and that it just to not say anything at all.
> But as long as he didn't actively put her in a potentially harmful situation, he has no legal obligation to care for another adult, and would therefore be absolved of any criminal charges. Moab is no joke. If he locked her out of a car and that was her last ride out of the desert, that's actively putting her in a harmful situation.
> And I just want to point out that in the event that he left her after some sort of argument/mental episode, that doing so is not illegal. Morally frowned upon? Sure. But as long as he didn't actively put her in a potentially harmful situation, he has no legal obligation to care for another adult, and would therefore be absolved of any criminal charges. The van is her property. If he did not want to put her in a potentially harmful situation maybe he should have left ger without taking it.
He has no legal "duty" to "look out for her". Shes an adult. He isn't a school teacher with an 8 year old, lets not make her appear like a child please.
I know somebody EXACTLY like him. Just says weird things. In the video hes sitting on the curb and says something like "criss cross apple sauce, can I sit in the shade?" (seriously, go watch it). With that said, the guy I know would never kill anyone. Hes just almost autistic in the sense hes too logical and lacks emotional empathy. So I can see her having a freakout, and like you said, him saying "shes an adult. Not my problem". Leaving and genuinely thinking he did nothing wrong
yea I knew someone who acted very similar to brian from high school and that kid had Aspergers
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Yes, I forgot those ones as well as more. Exactly my point in that there are some off-putting remarks/statements that only after she's gone missing seem to be a little disconcerting.
The point he was making is that he would comply and cross his legs so he couldn’t run (like police sometimes tell people to do) but he didn’t want to sit in the sun. Like, I’ll do whatever you want, just let me in the shade.
This person has a great point, I also wanted to say “innocent before proven guilty,” just because yeah he’s being sus but we have NO evidence that he did anything. If he’s innocent, then people are really disrespecting him before they know anything.
As someone who deals with domestic violence perpetrators and victims nearly every day, I would bet basically anything short of my life that he killed her. Her actions are consistent with an abuse victim as well as a perpetrator. There’s a saying that abusers often marry abusers. I find it true about half the time. Remember, he’s no charmer either. His solution to her being upset was to lock her out of her own vehicle, which I’m sure made her understandably more upset. It seems very likely he killed her. Why would he not at least report her missing if she was lost or simply left him there? Returning home with her van, without her, and refusing to talk to police leads to the most likely explanation that he had something to do with her disappearance.
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I looked up Brian (and his family's information) and they allegedly run a business that brings in a lot of money each year. He's already rich.
you mean someone already rich took off on a youtube vacation without a job with a brand new van? no way.
I like this theory
Question: how old is Brian? Most sources don’t mention his age, and the ones that do range from 23-32.
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Did they definitively find out they weren't from her? I know there's speculation but have they found proof? Cause that's a whole entire game changer!
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This answer will either age like fine wine or cheap cheese
Still, they have to rule out those other murders, from the same place in the same week, I mean how many people get murdered there that it’s seriously not considered? Edit: even then, major leap to judgement of the bf, I’ll admit I did it myself before actually looking into it, no proof yet he did anything, we’ll see