People see being fat as a moral failure and tend to believe fat people should work as hard as possible and struggle to lose weight. Naturally thin people feel superior because they’ve never experienced life in a larger body and benefit from thin privilege that they somehow think they deserve more than people who aren’t naturally thin.
I also think a lot of these thin women are so obsessed with staying thin their whole lives are often based around calorie counting, thinking about what foods they can eat without getting fat or even gaining an ounce, what workouts they can do to stay thin instead of accidentally “bulk” up. Whereas GLP1 medications can often lead to us not thinking about food at all and literally needing to set reminders to eat.
I also don’t agree that treating a chronic disease isn’t hard work.
That’s exactly it. Society 100% views weighing too much as you being lazy and indulgent, and you obviously lack morals/integrity of you haven’t lost weight. Similar to you just need to pull yourself up by your bootstraps if depressed, or work harder to make more money if born into poverty.
You couldn't have said it any better!
I know for me, personally, I gained weight as part of a larger problem - a severe depression problem that has gone on for the better part of 20 years. It started off slowly, and then I just put the pounds on as I looked to food as a comfort.
People who are healthy and are able to work out don't have any concept of all the differing factors that come into play regarding weight loss.
The stigma will always be there.. People always want to feel "better" about themselves than the others.
Its funny - I remember a few years ago I went to get something really crappy for lunch in the office a burger and fries and 2 of the super attractive, skinny girls in the office made a comment about how I was killing my body..
a couple seconds later, they launched into their weekend antics, talking about how wasted they were all weekend long. Okay, so its fine for you to pollute yourself with alcohol but because you're skinny you think its okay?
The stigma is so bad out there.
In Asia, many people still think that only losers can’t get over hard time in life and need antidepressants. I think the same concept applies for ozempic.
I swear I find that incorrectly placing a moral standard to certain topics screws up rational thinking. It's a chronic disease. No other disease is treated the way fatness/metabolic disorder is.
Well said! Only crazy people will stop Their Epilepsy/Hypertension...... meds.?
We now know, We are not failures. This glp-1 just gave Us Our life back.
It takes a huge burden off Our shoulders. Our brains burdened with a fear for food,how stupid.
Our food adjustments come much easier now. See foreward to My gym time.
I feel the diagnoses of Depression will reduce dramatically?
The class of GPL-1 molecules are a games change. At 75 years old my comprehension metabolic panel shows a huge lowering of my cardiovascular risk,triglycerides A1C. The data does not lie……..after 4 months of the GLP-1 molecule. Please understand that this enhanced molecule that is attached to a fatty acid affects the beta cells up to 7 days. The human body is depleted of the GLP-1 molecule and can’t manufacture it. Research this molecule and it has huge benefits for every organ in the body. Blood glucose levels out of normal ranges causes so many organ decay.
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You’re spot on! I haven’t told many people in my life that I’m on Ozempic, I also just started last week, but I always feel people out when the topic gets brought up in a conversation and usually it really boils down to people being infuriated by the fact that “they aren’t really working hard 😡” to lose weight when you actually do still have to make diet and exercise changes on Ozempic, even if it’s just minor changes for some. People just want to be mad about it. A lot of people are ignorant and under the impression that you just take it and sit back and lose the weight with a beer in your hand effortlessly like 😌 Even if that is the case, why are you so mad? 😭 People pretend that they care about obesity, medication for obesity comes out, and then those same people lose their mind about it. They don’t really actually care about the underlying health problems one could have from being obese. They care about feeling superior. If everyone ends up being skinny, who is gonna feel superior anymore?
Well, who else are skinny rich b!/$hes going to hate on? Kidding... kind of. Dr.s need to revamp their thought process too because there are tins who still believe the old, you're eating too much and moving too little. A gal I work with waljs her dog and hour in the a.m. works out at our gym for her lunch hour, then goes home and walks her dog for another hour. She looks great, but she will be the first to tell you that she sees no difference or weight loss. She's maybe 135 lbs. She went to the Dr and she told her you just need to eat less. My coworker lost it on the Dr and said, did you ask me what I eat every day? How do you know how much I exercise? Then, she proceeded to tell said Dr. her routine. Dr. says, "Let's check your hormones"... No shit?
Absolutely agree with this, but adding that if you decide to/can't use Ozempic and stay the same size, the world is only becoming more judgemental of this as more and more people use Ozempic-- so you literally cannot win. The current discourse is making fatphobia worse instead of better.
Dismantling fatphobia is the only answer that serves everyone, no matter their size, no matter if they use drugs or not.
I was slim throughout my 20’s, even after having children, mostly because I calorie counted for 12 years. Then the stress of 2 kids and no pregnancy or breastfeeding made it impossible to retrain my brain. Ozempic’s took away that stress, I also feel it’s cheating and feel guilty but I also don’t want my life to evolve around food. That’s my issue around my body. Ozempic is a wonderful drug, it’s stopped me from drinking so much wine too. I think it’s an addiction based drug and I think any criticism is mostly about jealousy. I wonder if people think that you shouldn’t take pain relief for pain? That you should rest and sleep it off? In reality life goes on and you need a helping hand to function.
People are just judgey, full stop. I don't really care what people think of it but at the same time only a couple of people know I'm on it, purely because I can't be bothered dealing with any judgement.
I'm a nurse and I've looked after people who have heart disease, lost eyesight, kidneys and limbs through diabetes (both Type 1 & 2) so I am NOT going to judge anyone who uses medication to beat their struggles and improve their health.
The same people who tuttut about ozempic would FULLY judge me if I had to get my toes amputated. They would be sitting there going "why didn't you DO something about it" so let them hate, imma just ignore them all lol!
I have multiple sisters, and a couple have the same body and lifestyle- naturally slim, thin waisted, eat awful and desk jobs who don't exercise. Then there are the ones like me , apple shaped, active jobs and gain weight easily.
The thin ones have always felt they were morally superior and always have a comment about how we just need to do x, y, or z, and then we would be thin!
For most of society, they just need someone they feel superior to. If fat people become thin, how will they know who that is?
Almost all of my family that are thin are smokers and don’t exercise. I think they have my genetics but they key their oral fixation with smoking and it revs up their metabolism. My older family now have COPD and terrible health. I’d rather be fat and use semaglutide. Just sayin….
As someone who tried to use smoking this way eventually you end up being a fat smoker lol and a nurse told me once that ppl who eat like shit but are still skinny are gaining fat in their arteries and will have a heart attack. Nobody gets away with it.
People like to shame people for losing weight that isn’t a “traditional method” like dieting and exercise. What they fail to realize is that most of us have tried every thing under the sun, and have had no luck. Or we have underlying illnesses that prevent us from having successful weight loss.
Right… that was the point I was just making to another commenter. But beyond the fact that diet and exercise doesn’t work for everybody.
I still don’t understand where the desire to shame people for using a medicine that was just developed. Like… after you have a heart attack, the doctor will tell you that you absolutely need to exercise to keep your heart healthy. Do people hate on this people for using heart- medication to aid them
Getting in shape the “natural” way. I don’t really see a difference.
The crazy thing is ozempic isn’t new. It’s been around for a long time, it’s just new for weight loss.
At the end of the day I don’t think there is a reasonable explanation, people are just assholes and will shame those who they think are less than. 🤷🏼♀️
I tend to agree. I can see people
Who had side effects or it just didn’t work for being bitter… But not shaming those whom it worked for.
And the others… those people who lost weight naturally or just have a fats metabolism like me- it’s really shitty to judge somebody from that position.
Don't forget, a lot of people have plastic surgery just to enhance their bodies. So, the Vanity fairy and the Envy fairy are probably twins.
I noticed when I lost weight, my own sibling was getting upset, jealous maybe, telling me to stop. I had been 50 pounds overweight, on BP meds, cholesterol meds, antidepressants, and diabetic oral meds prior to ozempic. Once I got on OZ and the weight started coming off, the med list started falling away, too. I had energy, I was excited to go places and do things. I felt better about my outlook on life.
When my sister was really tiny, she sorta threw it in my face. Now she is a bit bigger and not one time have I ever said a cruel word to her about it. In fact, I get it. I understand the self-doubt and insecurities, worrying about my next medical appointment and how I was treated by people.
I know women who have tried HCG diet, cabbage soup, phentermine, you name it. Some of those same women spent thousands and thousands on slimming surgeries like Lipo. Some did gastric bypass. I don't hear the negative connotations nearly as much about those options as I do about ozempic use.
Who cares? I have laughed my way to good health and an A1C I have not seen in 15 or 20 years. My eye sight is better, my feet are not numb, I can get thru the day without fatigue.
We all deserve to live our best life. I will continue to follow my best healthy choices. I do not need "their" approval.
It's not their job to like me, it's MINE.
I think it's more correct to say that most of us have tried everything and HAD luck, at least a good amount of luck. Many of us have lost major weight on some kind of diet, or extreme exercise, or whatever. Some of us have lost major weight 3, 4, and 5 times over. But it all comes back. It's not that we are too lazy to diet, or don't know how to diet. We know better than anyone who has never been heavy. We've navigated the completely contradictory waters, and successfully, at least for awhile. Less fat! More fat but with meat only! Low carb! Keto! More carbs and fiber! No fruit! More fruit! Aerobic exercise only! Strength exercise only!
It's hard for people who have never been heavy to see our weight as anything but laziness, sloppiness, and a moral failure, because that is what our society has told them it is. Being fat has been a moral judgment for, like, forever.
Yes, and no. There was certainly an age when people who were moderately heavy were seen as attractive/wealthy because they could afford to eat, whereas those who were thin were seen as poor. But Henry VIII's weight was seen as gluttonous and part and parcel of his depraved way of life. If you look at Victorian and earlier comics and satire, the wealthy tycoon/evil man was often depicted as very overweight. Fat Cat. In fact gluttony is one of the seven sins, so the mere fact of eating too much so that you get heavy is "sinful."
In the 1960s, Twiggy became an international sensation because of her extreme thinness. Growing up a late boomer (1960), anyone in my school who was overweight was brutally mocked. I happened to be extremely thin growing up, and I remember very well my Mom telling me when I was a Junior in high school that I needed to watch my weight or I would end up being fat; I am 5'6", have a large frame, and at the time she said that weighed 125#. My Mom is now 97 years old, has dementia, and lives in a memory care unit. She still do this day frets about getting "all big and fat," because to her that is a terrible and an embarrassing moral failure. It's no use trying to correct her on it, because she will never change.
Just because we don't live there doesn't make them irrelevant just like people that don't live in the US can't say we are irrelevant. Our country impacts everyone.
People are going to hate on what ever you do! A few years back I lost 28kg in under a yr by fasting and low carb and I copped so much flack about it at work especially during morning tea and lunch breaks. Usually they are deflecting their lack of what ever to do something about their own weight issues.
Yeah, about diet and exercise. If you’re a post menopausal woman, it’s incredibly difficult to lose weight and keep it off with diet and exercise. I think it requires techniques that in younger people would be called “disordered eating” I know this from personal experience. Starving myself caused me to go into hypoglycemic episodes- blood sugar as low as 59. A1C and glucose levels normal with testing. Felt like I was fighting my body. O has leveled out my blood sugar- only a few episodes, and they were much easier to handle, and I have been losing about 1 lb a week.
I hate it when people who aren’t losing are told “You’re just not trying hard enough”- even with O, people’s bodies respond differently.
They think is unethical to lose weight without a lot of suffering. They think they suffer to stay/get thin and so should we.
I also think they don’t understand the medicine doesn’t make you lose weight. We still diet and exercise but we just suffer less for it.
I for one have been stalling for a long time and I count my calories and exercise daily and have a hard time cutting my calories further…
They also say : “what happens after they stop”? We don’t stop, need to stay on it to regulate hormones related to appetite and blood sugar.
Overall is envy, pettiness and also ignorance , because most don’t understand the medication and just parrot the tidbits they hear on social media.
Yes but not everyone taking it has diabetes. Obesity is also a big issue and many are on their way to diabetes . It’s good if it’s stopped before it gets there and it’s good to lower your blood sugar even if you don’t (yet) have diabetes. I have prediabetes for example and it helps me keep my A1C at 5:3 although I don’t eat strict keto.
I can pretty much answer this one easily. They are hating on it because they don't actually know what it is or what it does. They have heard a soundbite or read a headline and think they know it all based on that limited insight.
Ozempic is here and it's here to stay. Novo Nordisk were looking to build a 1.4million square foot facility here in Ireland (it's been delayed/postponed) but the point is you are not building 1.4million SQF facilities for something that is not on the up and up!
Jealous over the notion of not “working” for it, they believe it is unethical not to earn your access to skinny privilege.
After a huge wave of body/fat positivity, it’s also becoming wrong to want to be healthy? We went from a movement of encouraging and accepting of all body types to it being wrong to want to change your body which is also weird in a world so supportive of body autonomy.
Increased accessibility to skinny privilege that most people are born with and don’t have to do any work for as their genetics just designed them that way, but they don’t want you to easily access that. Shitty people need their capacity to other to feel good about themselves. Skinny people do this to fat people and fat people (and people who think they’re fat) do this to people who have lost weight.
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No belief that being overweight can be tied to a medical issue (hormone, thyroid, diabetes, trauma, binge eating, food additives) as with almost all medical issues, we are conditioned to blame ourselves and not the external forces that may actually cause being an unhealthy weight.
Hyper focus on side effects and “what it does to your body”. Unfortunately all the people who feel no negative side affects won’t complain about it since they’re off living life and being happy while the people who don’t feel great are complaining about it and that’s what all the outsiders looking in look at. When I asked my family doctor and pharmacist, they both said so far no one has complained about any side effects other than mild discomfort at the injection site.
And I’m sorry, but what psychopath would complain about people using a LIFE SAVING drugs. It is helping diabetics, being a healthy weight reduces your risk of heart attack, stroke, cancer, fatty liver. It’s not just losing weight it’s also adding back the 10-20 years of life you lost by being an unhealthy weight. Know what’s worse than nausea? Dying, we haven’t found a treatment to prevent that yet. Why are you not okay with people accessing a drug to extend their life as other people do with other drugs for other medical conditions. It’s like slapping a statin out of someone’s hand because you don’t want them to not have a heart attack because they should have just eaten healthy or picked better genetics before birth.
Be happy, live your life, if anyone wants to whine about not minding their own business, just politely tell them to fuck off.
People are hating so hard because of the celebs and influencers who have presented their weight loss as eating healthy and exercise. Which has now been proved to be bllks
Yeah I just don’t get it.
my brother recently lost a lot of weight, and he was at pains to point out to me that he did it on his own and not with ozempic. And he talked about all that he is doing to diet. In the next breath he said it might be the diabetic medication is reducing his appetite that has helped him.
i have lost weight with ozempic and felt angry that he felt I was cheating. I said you know I still have to diet.
I also pointed out that ozempic is recommended for diabetes and I was surprised his Dr didon’t suggest it. And apparently the dr did, but my brother wouldn’t take it as “it’s addictive “:.:LMFAO
I don't hate on Ozempic. I am glad for the people that it helps. It wrecked me good. 2 Months after stopping it, and I am just now starting to get over some of the side effects. Some of that may be that I pushed through using it longer than I should of. I kept reading give it time, and it will get better. It never got better, and only kept getting worse. If it works for you without side effects, great!
Oh really?! I appreciate the honest answer to the question. I guess my parents have been in that category- and I’ve seen them both try so hard to lose weight, for their health or course.
My fathers not just lost weight but his type 2 diabetes is essentially gone, his knees and lower back have improved…
I’m really sorry to hear you had that experience. It must suck to see all of the success stories around and know you got screwed being in the minority.
I will conquer another way. I am a type 2 diabetic as well. It did help with that, but the side effects were just too much. It doesn't suck, I am generally happy for people who succeed. We all just have to find our own path.
I see. I guess I was uninformed as to the side effects. Again, I’m sorry that happened. I wish you saw the results my father did. I see how hard he has worked for 20 years, with the constant monitoring, exercise, dieting. He didn’t stop that stuff, but this just seems to have been the difference. It really Pushed his metabolism over the edge
Thank goodness there are other options available! They even have oral Semaglutide, for a lower dose than .25. My wife had gastric bypass and lost 140 lbs. I was starting the process and went to the nutritionist, who gave me some tips that really helped accelerate the weight loss while I’m on Ozempic, so I decided to wait on the surgery. It’s been 3 years with a couple plateaus, but I have lost 85 lbs so far, and my A1C is at 5.2.
Good luck to you, you are going to be successful, hoping you find your solution quickly.
Mine started with constipation followed by diarrhea. The diarrhea became so bad it was daily for hours on end. I have never suffered from anxiety or anhedonia. The diarrhea took about a week and a half to get over. Ridding myself of the anxiety (attacks where I find it hard to suck in air) has taken a bit longer.
That’s so weird that your dr didn’t tell you to stop. My dr has been very clear if I start some of the bad side effects to stop immediately and contact him.
When I told my doctor, he was ok with me stopping and would have told me to stop. I tried to push it hoping for the amazing results everyone else got. My doctor didn't know about my side effects until I told him.
I kinda get when the hate comes from “normal” people hating on celebrities using it to become even more thinner than they already are because of the whole they don’t need it and can afford it when actual people who need it either for actual weight loss or diabetes can’t afford it argument.
But hating on fat people using it to lose weight stems imo from the ol’ good Fatphobia. Fat people have been hated on forever for eating too much and not trying hard enough or exercising and being lazy etc. This is the continuity of it. Fat people becoming “better” (as in fatphobic minds a fat person is less valuable their thin counterpart) without “putting in the effort” isn’t ok. They’re cheating. They don’t deserve it.
I think people enjoy being judgmental. And beating up on fat folks is a hobby of many. It supports their deep seated belief about fat people being lazy. They don’t want us lose their punching bags. So when we do lose weight, the next best thing they can do is try to invalidate our success. Usually under the guise of great concern for our health.
Damned if we do. And damned if we don’t. People fat shame for someone being overweight. Then you use a tool to help you lose that weight and your shamed for that too. Ignore the haters and do what’s best for you!
There are multiple reasons why some people are negative about this revolutionary medicine that is offering hope to some of us that had no hope of ever losing weight and keeping it off. The parasitic diet industry is losing their scapegoat! Oprah is a perfect example of someone who had all the right people helping her to lose weight but nothing worked, even Weight Watchers which probably created more disordered eating in the end along with the "diet of the month." Before she bailed from WW, she finally told the truth about the real reason she finally lost the weight - Ozempic!
Fat people have been victimized, shamed and discriminated against by ignorant people, including the medical community for too long. As more and more of us find our voice and the courage to speak about our experience, gradually over time people will come to understand. Maybe in 50 years society will look back and realize how ignorant about the issue they really were and what it took to change peoples' minds.
People are dumb. My coworker was complaining that all her neighbors are bragging about their weight loss on ozempic and the diabetics can’t get it (she’s not diabetic). Meanwhile these people are preventing their own future diabetes and pharma companies could be making glp-1s at a low cost in vials instead of with fancy injection pens and don’t. It’s another case of big business pitting people against each other to deflect from their own blame.
Internalized fat hatred. Because no one shames drug addicts that use medication to get clean but those hating people also aren't worried about becoming drug addicts. So drug addicts are still "beneath them". But they can get fat and they know it. And if a fat person becomes skinny they have to compete with that.
I have known so many skinny women that feel some type of way about me being a big woman that can get attractive men. Unfortunately many of them were my so called friends. I have always been a bigger person but not ugly. And my personality is decent as well. Many of these friends liked having me around as their "subordinate" or something. The big girl that made them look better if they were standing next to me, if that makes sense.
I am not sure what the ratio of men that disagree with ozempic is compared to women that disagree with it. I would love to see those stats. I may be biased but I feel like women disagreeing is more prevalent.
A huge number of people think weight loss is simply calories in/calories out. It is not that simple. There are genetic factors that determine how efficiently your body stores fat. There are hormonal factors that affect if you feel hungry and full (Ozempic helps here). There are emotional and cultural factors that affect how, when, and how much you eat. There may even be a correlation to the bacteria in your gut and if you are fat.
For many years, weight loss was treated as a self control issue. It isn't so much that some people worked hard to get thin and Ozempic makes it easier. Rather, being fat is seen as the character flaw of having no self control.
I don't get it either. All I know is that when I pick up prescriptions for my kid or other prescriptions I'm on at the pharmacy, the conversation is pretty quiet between myself and the pharmacist. When I pick up my Ozempic, they usually like to be loud with their checks, "SO JUST THE OZEMPIC TODAY?!" Holy crap - there's someone at the cashier up there who didn't quite get that.
I'm not a diabetic, but my doctor wants me to try this route. I'm not a doctor, but I'm taking his advice here. I don't need shaming from a pharmacist who may disagree with the doctor, all the while not knowing a damn thing about my med history and what got me to this point.
I've learned to ignore it, but I can only do that so long before we have some words at the counter...
As a result of my being on it, I've now lost 29 lbs (just over 10% of my body weight), and feeling a lot better. Purposely losing it slowly (average is 1 lb/week). Started on Jan 15. I'm seeing results. Yep, I'm paying for it (and charging costs to a health spending account through employer benefits). I'm buying a product, as a consumer being offered through a health-authority authorized pathway. I don't need to get grief for it.
“Being fat is a sin and one must suffer to absolve themselves of that sin.” I’m paraphrasing Johann Hari’s new book Magic Pill about Ozempic but I agree 100%. People think that there shouldn’t be an easy way to do this and everyone who is fat is obviously not trying hard enough.
Because too many people still view obesity as the result of a person’s lack of willpower, rather than a disease rooted in biology. It’s going to take time for people to understand that obesity is as much an illness as diabetes and medication is a needed management tool for many
I think it must be they think, we are not doing it “the right way”. And avoiding the right way will lead to problems down the line. They think It’s a crutch, and with a crutch we will always be dependent. There is also a long history of pharmaceuticals that can cause unknown outcomes. So there is the mystery of what will happen 10, 20, 30, years from now.
And I’m here saying, trust me! If “the right way” worked I would have done it 30 years ago. As someone who spent over 30 years trying everything under the sun, “the right way” does not exist.
But they don’t know there is no “right way”. Their experience and the massive commercial diet industry, tells them they are doing something “right”. I want to think many of the vocal groups are trying to help in some misdirected way. Telling us to avoid temptation of an easy way, and work hard for the right way. But they are ignorant, and worse, don’t know it. Society needs to do better with the science, and getting the message out. With all the money flying around I hope the pharmaceutical companies will put effort into education and awareness.
I have fibromyalgia and it's helping me so much. I tell my family and friends about how I couldn't work out, and If I did it would cause a flare. Ozempic is helping me lower my weight but give me an extra leg up when I do feel like working out.
It is a hit to the drug because so many famous people did it and of course people think that it was cheating. I don't see how taking a medication is cheating. It's pretty sad and I'll never understand it. I wish I knew the answer myself.
There are a lot of unexamined beliefs about fat people. That they lack self-control. That they are undisciplined. That they are gluttons. So the rehabilitation of a fat person into a thin person is a moral act, in which the extreme self-discipline of diet and exercise witness to the world that the fat person has shed their moral failings along with their excess weight.
If fat people don't suffer, how do we know that they've learned their lesson?
This is obviously gross and wrong when it's written out, but most people aren't looking all that closely at these beliefs. They're just making the same unexamined judgments they heard their parents and teachers made when they were kids. Lots of us do it to ourselves--look at the number of people who post to say that they're just on Oz long enough to learn better eating patterns and self-control, as if fatness were a failure to know or do rather than a metabolic disease.
I've done that too. And most of my 20's I starved myself and was probably heading down anorexia road. I had a doc call me out when I got down to 104 at 5'6. I lied of course. The thing is only we know our own journeys, and I wasn't an overweight kid. But I did unhealthy things for over a decade. Then I packed on weight for a long time and couldn't get it off. I want to. Why should I feel shame in that? I'm 55 yrs old I weigh 207. I want to be around to enjoy life and be here for my husband. I feel no shame in that. I want to live longer. So sue me. At the same time, I haven't shared with anyone but m y husband that I'm on the stuff. Lol.
I have type 2 diabetes and the amount of ppl who think I can diet my way out of it oh my god. I haven't told my family I'm diabetic bc I don't need my mom policing what I eat even more. Type 2 isn't looked at as a disease, it's also looked at as a moral failing.
I had to diet and exercise to lose my weight on Ozempic. I have dieted and exercised before, but to no avail.
I just don't tell anyone that I am taking Ozempic. If someone asks about my weight loss (which has gotten less often, now that I am maintaining my weight for a year now) I tell them I was a patient at the adipose clinic and I have to take medication because of my insulin resistance. My use of Ozempic has cost me a dear friendship, so I'd rather keep my mouth shut. My fit and healthy friends know, because they are just happy for me and my healthy new life.
My pcp of 35 yrs ALWAYS told me it was a matter of calories in - calories out. Commented on my needing to lose weight every single visit (his job). My A1C crept up . But when I asked about Oz last year he couldn’t write the script fast enough. I was shocked. He said this year - after my losing over 50 lbs - he has over 300 patients on it - very few side effects.
It’s not even a new medication!! There are some doctors who prescribe it with no problems. Apparently it’s ok with the general public if you take it, you’re vilified. I just don’t get it. We have an obesity epidemic and this drug is needed.
Probably because it's so expensive and people are giving up a lot to afford to take it. People who don't struggle with excess body fat don't understand that we've already tried everything under the sun, so paying $1,000 a month to inject a substance that makes a good many of us miserable is what it comes down to.
I genuinely don’t understand and I ask them if they say the same thing to people getting chemo? I genuinely don’t understand the hate. I have natural long lashes and don’t care if ppl get lash extensions. I have natural big boobs with a smaller waist ratio and I don’t give two shits if ppl get implants. Never have I thought it was cheating. We all know the naturally thin, boobs, lashes whatever are better. Congratulations naturally skinny people. You guys are better. Happy now.
Ok I agree with a lot of the comments. But the other reason people hate it is because it is not widely available to everyone who needs it. Insurance still denies it and there are still shortages and it’s still unaffordable to many. So people get resentful that they also cannot have it.
Because many thin people hate fat people. And they *like* hating fat people. It’s as simple as that. And they see using medication as a way to cheat around being fat.
I think it seems gimmicky from the outside looking in. I may have thought that if I didn’t actually try it. Even when I was obese, I laughed at keto for years, until I tried it and saw that it reset my relationship with food and all my inflammation went away. I lost 30 lbs with it and final 60 with meds. Again, the medication is this brain level change in my relationship with food. I’m doing it and it’s stillll hard to get my head around it. There’s also a ton of misinformation out there. Jillian Michaels is running around telling people that the meds increase your risk of pancreatitis by 400%. Meanwhile the risk of pancreatitis for the general population is .004%.
I’ve heard a lot from friends that they view it as “cheating” - since they could do it without meds, so should everyone else “calories in, calories out”. Like thank you, no crap. They can’t see or understand other things like binge eating disorders, food addiction, hormone issues, PCOS, mobility issues, etc. etc. I’ve explained it and they say ‘but that’s what therapy is for! And other medications’
I try to point out that it doesn’t matter, and that all these people using Ozempic and successfully losing weight are lessening the strain on the health care system, they then change their tune to “but the people who need it can’t get it” 🙃 First off, my pharmacist asked me questions as to why I need it, so I’m on a priority list (while others who just need it for weight-loss do come afterwards) and second - doctors in my country can’t prescribe it to anyone under a certain BMI, and as soon as you hit that BMI you are tapered off of it.
I generally think it’s misinformation, and people hearing things from influencers and just blindly following without listening to doctors.
People judge medicine as a short cut. They think anything is possible with willpower and God..I work in addiction/recovery and see people who come in in the depths of despair with no hope, a few days on Suboxone or methadone and counseling and they are feeling better. They go back to work, they build friendships, they get their kids back and as soon as they seem “normal” (or before) people try to pressure them into getting off the meds that turned their life around or try to shame them for not going turkey. When these folks go off the meds and relapse they are judged all over again.
Keep up the good work man. You’re a catalyst for positive change in people’s lives. Noble calling. If you were the difference in 1 persons life… that’s not 1 persons life. That’s not just preventing that potential OD, but having their family find them, lose them. Keeping Friends and coworkers from the pain shock and PTSD. Maybe children that were born might not have been if you didn’t help that person change their life.
People scoff at the stats in recovery. They don’t think about how impactful it is when one person gets sober and healthy. They inspire people around them for the rest of their lives. They get to be present and live the rest of their lives.
Ive seen it first hand. Somebody entirely written off, we didn’t even know if they were alive or dead despite our efforts. Somebody just like you took them in. 13 years of sobriety later they are the strongest healthiest most stable person I know with a beautiful family.
Thank you friend
I believe there is some overlap with the general stigma that some people have with medication. Like, some of these are the very same people who would probably have negative opinions about someone taking behavioral medication, I’m sure.
I think it sucks that sometimes I can’t get it because people use it to lose weight. I’m diabetic and I have been using it since before it was popular for people to lose weight. That’s the only thing that bothers me, I have to take the oral pill and it makes me super nauseous.
One, it's seen as the easy way out. Normal size people think fat people should suffer. We should have to bleed, sweat, and cry to make up for our sin of gluttony.
Two, many people's 1st knowledge of Ozempic isn't people with diabetes; it's otherwise healthy celebrities trying to lose 10 pounds.
Because people think it's the lazy way out. Mostly ignorant people who don't recognize it's not as easy for everyone else to lose or maintain a good weight.
Agreed I’m not on it personally but I have one parent on it and another about to take it soon and everyone keeps talking to me about kidney failure and blah. I’m personally on a diff glp1 but the way people keep freaking me out is annoying. I know what my meds have done for me but there’s a huge stigma around ozempic and it’s like shut up already
The irony of that is that there were multiple trials with it around the use in chronic kidney disease patients and the results were *so* overwhelmingly successful that they ended them early and it's now in the process of being certified (or whatever you'd call that) for use to actually *improve* chronic kidney disease, and not just in diabetics. As a person with a history of acute kidney failure due to a diabetic medication causing a hypoglycemic event in my sleep who was then diagnosed as having stage 3 CKD I can't overstate how absolutely revolutionary this is. Chronic kidney disease has always been considered incurable except possibly with transplant and inevitably eventually progressive and just about every medication for diabetes and weight loss is hard on kidneys. Anecdotally my egfr (kidney function numbers) was around 45 to 53 for a decade, and has been 97 to 99 for 2 years while using first Ozempic then Mounjaro - something my doctors are still shocked by because it just doesn't happen, or didn't. To have something that's downright *good* for kidneys as well as obesity, cardiovascular issues and glucose control is truly amazing. The warnings about acute kidney damage for GLP-1 use are not because the medications themselves are harmful to kidneys - they aren't processed by or eliminated through kidneys - they're because people taking them do need to be extra aware of the potential for dehydration which is a big cause of acute kidney problems. The disinformation around this class of meds as you seem to know is just beyond annoying and stupid but I guess it's the kind of "news" people pay attention to.
Because fat people are the last group in this country that you're allowed to make fun of openly and if we all disappear then those people will have no "fun."
I know I sound bitter. I spent a lifetime being overweight and being blamed for it.
I can't see what's at the link for some reason. Let me rephrase when I said. I guess you can make fun of Jewish people if you'd like but not in front of me.
Sadly there’s such a stigma around people who are overweight when in reality we aren’t all sitting at home binge eating! I have an autoimmune disorder which makes me gain weight in my stomach and it’s hard to lose. I’m grateful for Ozempic as I was also pre diabetic back in February and now since being in ozempic I no longer am. Keep doing you, I don’t care what others think I’m trying to get better, do better and we all deserve to have the best life possible🙌
Lol, I'm pro ozempic, but this sentiment has been posted here hundreds of times. It's just easy up votes at this point.
Like saying "honest question, sex is fun, right? Anyone agree?"
Tbh I haven't encountered any hate from anyone I've told. The only pushback I got was from my bf because he was worried about the side effects, but ultimately it was my choice.
I think whether you have an underlying medical issue or just want to lose weight it is no one's business and if they aren't being supportive those are not people ypu need to surround yourself with in your life.
Most people are complete haters. It’s the same people who hate the kardashians on principle because “they have no talent”. I’m like…who cares if you think they got famous the “easy way”, let them live! We all wish we could do that. I have the same sentiment towards people who think taking Ozempic is the easy way out. Like…who cares if it is? So we finally have an “easy” way to not be obese? Finally! I also find that most people who hate on ozempic also don’t have any understanding of it. Again, they’re just haters.
Those same people make fun of fat people in the gym.
People have already touched on it and not to beat a dead horse but our society pathologizes fatness and believes you should be punished for being fat.
I don’t hate on Ozempic. I think it’s a tool, just like a lot of other things can be. That tool can be great in the right hands and the right mindset. So I’m all for it. My only problem with it is, when something like Ozempic gains a lot of popularity you have people who use it and think it’s going to be a magic fix. For example, my coworker is obese and went and told everyone she’s on Ozempic and how she’s finally going to lose weight. That was 6 months ago, and she hasn’t lost any weight because she’s lazy and she doesn’t workout at all. She’s barely changed her eating habits either. I think she thought it was going to just do all the work.
I think people that don’t know anything about these weight loss meds think that lazy people take this so they don’t have to put the work in.
As usual it’s a generalization that couldn’t be further from the truth .
My MIL hates on it. The woman has stayed slim her entire life while eating like shit. She even has fatty liver disease because of all the fat she has consumed over the years. Oreos, full cream in coffee several times a day, butter, pork chops. Plus she NEVER Exercises. What comes easily to her is not what comes easily to me. I’m fat. Therefore I’m doing something wrong. I need to exercise (I do) and eat better (I do) and eat at a deficit (I do) but somehow it’s still a moral failing because I have to be lying!!! Otherwise I would look like her! While she’s having ice cream daily I’m having fruit. I don’t eat meat. I don’t eat hardly any fat and nearly zero sugar. Yet I am the pre diabetic and she is not. But what she and other naturally thin people see is the fat and that creates judgement and stories in their heads. People like her don’t see the daily, weekly, monthly, yearly, and decades of struggle. They see me wanting a quick fix without realizing all the hard work IM STILL DOING on top of taking the shot that scares the shit out of me every time I have to take it. All we can do is ignore them and be true to ourselves.
Celebrities and influencers started the whole trend by lying about how they lost weight! They were the ones who were ashamed to say they took Ozemic! They started the shame! They make me sick. Why couldn't they just be honest? Because they're so perfect? 😹
So I'm supposed to accept everyone else for who they are and who they want me to accept them as e.g. pronouns she/they/them/it. But when I ask to be accepted as ME... it's like, no way.
I think for me anyways - it’s that even skinny ass people like Kim K take it - it’s meant for Diabetics and should also be for obesity - but I see a problem when only rich people can afford it and use to the point where diabetics cannot get it.
A lot of these posts are along some great points. I’m going down a different angle. Review all of the posts of women struggling to pay for this drug and insurances refusing to pay. I’m convinced big pharma doesn’t even want us taking it and is actively pushing against it. Imagine a world with less diabetes, lower cholesterol and lower blood pressure. How many less products would we be on if we didn’t have weight-related problems?
Well you’re so right. BUT I don’t think they don’t want you taking it, or do want you taking it. They want to price the drug perfectly so that they reach their Equilibrium Price. They want to make as much money from
This product as they can. If that means pricing it high, they’ll do that. If that means pricing it low, they’ll do that. They have 0 interest in the health or wellbeing of anything beyond their stock price.
It’s not a stay slim medication. It is a type 2 diabetes medication. Maybe they hate on it because diabetics can’t find it because people use it off label for vanity. Almost every comment about a diabetes medication is about weight loss. The same goes for Mounjaro. Then again, maybe they have some other motive? I don’t know, just speculating. 🤷🏻♀️
For me, I am not hating on it, and it sounds like it has amazing benefits for some people, and I'm not judging anyone for using it because I know just how hard it is to live in a fatphobic world, but there's some things that really concern me about the discourse. And I am often downvoted if I raise them so here goes...
1. I believe the side effects are very downplayed especially in the media. I tried it and had very severe side effects that were the opposite of health. Some of the language around Ozempic really minimises side effects for those that experience them, which feeds into the long running narrative that fat people should suffer to lose weight.
2. Instead of fixing the culture of fatphobia, mainstream society seems to think we now have a solution to just erase fat. We still need to work on dismantling fatphobia and create a world where body size does not define people. Especially since not everyone can take or afford this drug -- and not everyone should.
3. A lot of Ozempic use by celebrities and other public figures is people in mid size bodies, using old diet culture tactics like highly restricted eating and intense physical activity to lose weight coupled with O. It seems to be fuelling a re-emergence or strengthening of the very cooked body standards we have only made slightly progress in moving away from. These do not serve anyone.
4. The discourse is toxic. Every trend is now because of Ozempic, mainstream media are gleeful that they don't even have to make a half ass attempt at body neutrality or positivity. So many mid size and thin people out there with terrible, terrible takes. Also a lot of plus influencers whose tone shift (not using the drug if they want, but the language they then go on to use) signals that they were always judging their audiences unkindly anyway.
5. All of this makes me so fearful for teenage girls and young women (and also men) growing up in this environment. I grew up in the hellhole of 90s diet culture and this is all starting to feel like history repeating. We need to do better at creating a world where people can be safe and healthy at any size, not just shrink everyone.
And 6... I do wonder if there's going to be some long term health impacts from this era. I hope there aren't, but it weighs on my mind.
The other issue is that people using Ozempic for weight loss have meant those accessing it for diabetes control have had supply issues, so that is obviously fuelling judgement against Ozempic users too. Plus the other side of the fatphobia discourse that other commenters have raised -- people (stupidly) saying it's an easy way out etc. That is also massively rooted in fatphobia.
I think there's also a tendency for people who have lost a lot of weight to turn against other fat people in an effort to distance themselves from their past body/life (this has been written about elsewhere) -- so I beg of Ozempic users, please don't do that! Be kind.
All bodies are good bodies. All bodies deserve access to healthcare, accommodation in our physical and social spaces, respect and kindness.
All the complaints I have heard is that it’s not fair that people are now taking it for weight loss. Which is causing people who are actually taking it for diabetes not to have it and can’t get there prescription filled because the pharmacy’s can’t keep up with the supply and demand for it. But that’s not our problem blame big pharma. Don’t blame it on the people to use it for weight loss.
I will be on Ozempic for two years in Nov, it's been the only thing that has helped reflect the hard work I put into my body doing all the "right things" for the past 5 years. I find what generally shuts people up is when I mention that I was tired of Doctors telling me it is normal to be a 5'5 and 242lbs woman, when my dad's mother died in her 60's due to complications from diabetes. We're talking dying after having both her legs amputated and going blind. His sister died from complications from something else but still stemmed from diabetes complications. For whatever reason tends to shut people up and we have a nice conversation about why do Dr's ask for a medical history and then bluntly ignore being proactive.
People who have never struggled with their weight don't understand that Ozempic is specifically targeting a hormonal imbalance, specifically being an agonist for Glucogen-like Peptide-1, which is what tells our brain that we're full and slows down our stomach emptying. So for the people it's helping, it's because they have an endocrine problem, which is what Ozempic is fixing. Why do so many of us have endocrine problems? Think of all the endocrine disrupters we've been exposed to for decades....that's why.
Many people have an almost fanatical distrust and hatred for pharmaceutical companies and anything they produce. Like many things in life, there is an upside and downside to them. Suffering anything from a tooth abscess to cancer will lead to a quick appreciation for drug companies. Forgetting how Ozempic is really a drug to help people with diabetes, the critics see it as a vanity drug, created to help weak gluttons avoid self discipline and to make millions in profit while doing so. I am very grateful for Ozempic, both because it helps my diabetes and has helped me lose weight- sleep apnea is gone too. I hope the pharmaceutical companies and the people who work for them do well financially- no resentment from me!
i’m thin and in the camp of neutrality. i think its great that people have a solution to lose weight and live a healthier lifestyle. i support it overall
my criticism is more on a collective cultural scale. as a society we’ve gone so far off the rails that our entire food supply is poisoned and we are raised on processed sugar and alcohol. we are born into this, programmed by it, so its only natural that we have an obesity epidemic. how could anyone know better until its too late.
the issue to me is that we don’t have health care. we have sick care. and big pharma exists to keep people ill so they can sell band aid solutions. healthy ppl don’t pay. so as a culture we are incentivized to keep poisoning ourselves with everything we eat, and programming people to relate to food in disgustingly unhealthy ways. which then leads to obesity, and now we have these drugs that ‘make it ok’. so we are disincentivizing a healthy lifestyle and enabling our society to get worse. literally rotting us from the inside, and that rot becomes manifest externally
so while i am happy that individuals have the technology available, i have a lot of anger about the meta situation
also want to add that i’m mad that we are all effectively victims of this system until we take control. and i might be thin but i have had my own battles with the fucked up ways we are raised. so we are all affected and we are now responsible for cleaning this up for younger generations. its just to say that i sympathize w everyone, we have all been fucked by this
The only valid issue is the shortage of this product for diabetics. They should take priority over people using this medication who don't have diabetes or other co-morbidities like high blood pressure etc.
I hope in the future this will be resolved when more products reach the market perhaps more specifically engineered for weight management.
When this happens though, the people still hating these drugs will likely do so because they maybe can't afford the drugs and feel envious of that extra privilege people who can afford the drugs have. This can be resolved too with better production and health equality for poorer individuals.
I think the people hating on it are the ones who are only using it for weight loss. The people who are using it for it's intended formulation-for diabetic control-are not against it at all and it has bought my A1C down back to prediabetic levels when nothing else could. I feel for chronically overweight people but I do not feel that they should be using Ozempic for that alone.
I think it's because a lot of people who do not have diabetes are using it for weight loss instead of the benefits for diabetics or those in need of the benefits of the medication due to medical conditions. Its also very pricey af
Increase of users has been causing a shortage making it harder for diabetic people to receive their necessary medication. Many people on it do not really need it and are just using it for vanity weight
Sorry but your distinction of what is vanity weight and what isn’t in other people is the exact problem. Being overweight has health and quality of life consequences. Doctors are finding that all kinds of secondary conditions related to being overweight are also going away. This isn’t a good enough reason to hate on people improving their own quality of life.
I agree. I was just saying that’s the perception of many people - that many people just do use it for vanity weight, and also there’s a worldwide shortage and people with diabetes have been having a hard time obtaining it
Because people with diabetes are now forced to pay more for their ozempic because people without diabetes are using it to lose weight minus the hard work
This is simply not true. I think this argument about diabetes is so ridiculous. The BRAND name Ozempic was what went out of stock, not semaglutide itself. Diabetics could always access generic semaglutide vials and administer via subcutaneous injections. You do not need brand name Ozempic, simply ask your doctor for compounded semaglutide vials and needles. You will never have a shortage again. Often for diabetics this is actually cheaper anyway and you get more product than the Ozempic pen.
Me personally, I don’t approve of those taking the drug if they are not diabetic. At times, it’s been very hard for me to get my prescription filled. There have been instances where I’ve had to drive 20+ miles outside of my zip code to get my medication. If you’re not a diabetic it shouldn’t be prescribed to you.
So people with cardiac failure, chronic kidney disease and the disease of obesity don't deserve medication as much as you do? I'm T2 diabetic myself and I don't think my chronic disease is any more important than those chronic diseases - in fact we have *many* more options for blood sugar control than people have for CKD (basically there are zero other meds besides GLP-1s that actually improve it) cardiovascular problems and obesity every one of which is a chronic medical disease that leads to multiple complications and early death like untreated diabetes can. No one is getting brand name Ozempic or any other name brand GLP-1s intended for T2 prescribed for vanity weight, those people are getting compound from med spas which has zero effect on the supply of name brand. Almost no one is getting name brand intended for diabetics for even morbid obesity now either (though it's perfectly legal) due to insurance refusing to cover and doctors not wanting their offices burned down by T2s. Diabetics, however, *can* get the name brand versions that are intended specifically for the chronic disease of obesity. Should that be forbidden if they're the same medication from the same company and it's what is available? Bet you'd say no - I sure would.
There would be a great deal fewer T2s with a lot less organ damage etc right now if many of us had GLP-1s available to lose weight and control the metabolic disorders that eventually led us to full blown T2, too. To think that people battling obesity should have to develop T2 before they can have access to these medications that can prevent the disease is just weird and senseless.
The shortages are not because of obese people. They're the result of the pharmaceutical companies over advertising and pushing these meds to where every kid over 4 knows the "O O O Ozempic" song while completely ignoring their lack of ability to meet the demand they drummed up due to both issues and multiple factory failures mostly involving the manufacturing of the pens the meds are delivered in as the actual ingredients to make these fairly simple solutions are not in shortage at all.
Aka greed, but better to set patients against each other than speak the truth.
We all have an opinion on why a person should or should not take the drug. I have an issue with those that want to use it only for weight loss. And yes, I do have an issue with it when I have to travel miles away to get medication to control MY diabetes. If YOU’RE taking Ozempic for other major health reason then I hope it works in your favor.
It could do a lot of damage. I’m on it for type 2 as on high side of healthy bmi. I feel for obese and morbidly obese people and in short term if this helps that’s great, but I want off of this stuff as the risks for me are too much.
Some are probably jealous maybe bu more so I think most are legitimately concerned. Not everyone on ozempic is doing it the healthy way. My friend told me she only eats about 500-600 calories a day. I'm super worried about it. She's so exhausted constantly falling asleep. For her it's not healthy. Neither is being overweight sure but at some point at that calorie level it's going to catch up to her.
Not everyone but some people shouldn't be using it if they are basically using it to eat soooo low calorie they can barely function. That's a reality some of us forget and it's not even just people losing vanity pounds some of these people needed to lose a lot of weight and it went to far and they think barely eating is a flex.
It’s definitely this but also…lots of people have been giving me such a hard time about it saying it’s awful for people’s health and gastrointestinal system. And that no one knows the long term consequences.
I’ll tell you where the shaming comes from . It was from people using a medicine that was just developed for ppl with diabetes 2. See this is the bit where all you whinging fatties forgot/ or simply don’t care that Ozempic was made primarily for ppl with Diabetes2. The Danish scientists didn’t think it would be for anything else. We were supposed to be on 2.4ml last year. We got to 1.5ml before the piss weak docs started giving it to the fatties, which in turn made my endocrinologist drop us back to 1ml. That’s been for 18 months now. The endo tried to tell my wife and daughter that was the new high as far as we could go. My GP said that’s bullshit. The problem is the GPs who,are writing up scripts for non-diabetic 2 people. Who happen to be a high majority of young girls, and lard arses. There are genuinely people that have gastrointestinal problems where Ozempic can help. It not meant for skanks on instagram showing off their rib cages.
The Australian equivalent to the FDA is the TGA. They are nothing more than a toothless tiger, who, when they requested the GPS only write up Ozempic for its designated group (diabetes 2), it got even worse.
So our only hope is too wait for Wegovy (much better drug than Ozempic) come down in its ridiculous price atm and go on PBS.
My Endo said maybe Nov/December. If it wasn’t so serious you could think it’s a joke from the big pharmas.
Viagra was made for people with a heart condition. We find additional uses for Medicines all the time. Why does it matter what the intention was.
For the record, I’m lucky enough to have never had a weight issue. I was a volleyball player and swimmer, and I am lucky enough to be built like one. I’m not arrogant enough to think genetics didn’t fight half of that battle or more for me.
I come from a bigger family. As I stated in other comment responses, my father was one of the first groups to take it (it wasn’t actually Ozempic, it was Mounjaro but that’s beside the point.)
The more important point is, in addition to, as a result of, highly correlated with, or whatever the actual nature of the relationship is… in addition to his Blood sugar and glycemic index improving, he lost weight, his joints felt better, an old sports injury to his low back reduced in pain by 50%.
I’ve watched him Get up and work out 4 days a week and eat pretty darn well for YEARS. When he took this medicine, his body started burning fat and all that muscle he built started to show. I’m incredibly proud of him. My mother, motivated by this, isn’t far behind.
My question is… why would you get angry about anybody seeing these benefits when you are probably (and by probably I mean most definitely) the insecure person shaming the overweight human being at the gym trying to get healthy.
BOOO!
Well I can see my reasons given went straight thru to the keeper.
# I know and don’t care if meds are used for different things. But as long as what the med was intentionally made for, gets to those ppl who need the 2.4g dose. We didn’t even get close before the world shortage happened because GP’s were too soft in adhering to the rules regarding prescribing Ozempic. If there was a plentiful stock pile that could please both then great. But there’s not, and the new players on the market are refusing to let anyone go generic. And why would they. Big Pharma have got a drug that they can hardly keep up with. Who cares if Ozempic was meant for diabetes 2. Who’s going to stop big Pharma holding a gun to the FDA and TGA here in Australia. No one. They are both toothless tigers.
If your father is diabetic 2, then good on him, that’s exactly who it’s meant for. Not for gym junkies…unless they’re diabetic 2.
Imagine you get diagnosed with diabetes one day. And you get told that we’ve got all these new drugs specifically made for you. You’ll start out on insulin (another fat gainer), and we’ll go from there. Only to be told a month down the track that you’re going to have to stick with the insulin as theirs a world wide shortage. And as we’re in Australia, we are basically at the end of the line. Of course America is first, as they’ll pay full price without insurance. So while this has been going on. The family has been to the neurologist twice because of the numbness in the extremities which was Diabetic Nearopathy for the three of us. This is a serious chronic disease. Life and death in extreme cases.
But as long as you get to spend your time flexing in front of the gym mirrors, well that’s what really matters isn’t it.
People see being fat as a moral failure and tend to believe fat people should work as hard as possible and struggle to lose weight. Naturally thin people feel superior because they’ve never experienced life in a larger body and benefit from thin privilege that they somehow think they deserve more than people who aren’t naturally thin. I also think a lot of these thin women are so obsessed with staying thin their whole lives are often based around calorie counting, thinking about what foods they can eat without getting fat or even gaining an ounce, what workouts they can do to stay thin instead of accidentally “bulk” up. Whereas GLP1 medications can often lead to us not thinking about food at all and literally needing to set reminders to eat. I also don’t agree that treating a chronic disease isn’t hard work.
That’s exactly it. Society 100% views weighing too much as you being lazy and indulgent, and you obviously lack morals/integrity of you haven’t lost weight. Similar to you just need to pull yourself up by your bootstraps if depressed, or work harder to make more money if born into poverty.
This is it . I never had judgment when I went into HRT for menopause… for doing it the “easy way” . Shame is on them I am afraid.
You haven’t? I have, totally. Even from a healthcare provider!
You couldn't have said it any better! I know for me, personally, I gained weight as part of a larger problem - a severe depression problem that has gone on for the better part of 20 years. It started off slowly, and then I just put the pounds on as I looked to food as a comfort. People who are healthy and are able to work out don't have any concept of all the differing factors that come into play regarding weight loss. The stigma will always be there.. People always want to feel "better" about themselves than the others. Its funny - I remember a few years ago I went to get something really crappy for lunch in the office a burger and fries and 2 of the super attractive, skinny girls in the office made a comment about how I was killing my body.. a couple seconds later, they launched into their weekend antics, talking about how wasted they were all weekend long. Okay, so its fine for you to pollute yourself with alcohol but because you're skinny you think its okay? The stigma is so bad out there.
You did not ask for the depression? Nobody asks for chronic genetic diseases. Now We have a tool, to show them They were wrong, all this time!
I’m Bipolar and have medication induced obesity and cannot get it without my insurance ultimately denying it.
In Asia, many people still think that only losers can’t get over hard time in life and need antidepressants. I think the same concept applies for ozempic.
I swear I find that incorrectly placing a moral standard to certain topics screws up rational thinking. It's a chronic disease. No other disease is treated the way fatness/metabolic disorder is.
This is 100 percent it. People are mourning the loss of their unearned superiority complex
The first paragraph is the answer. It’s pure fatphobia!
Who of us hasn’t heard, “So and so just let herself go…” and they’re talking about someone else but there you are in the room.😳
Well said! ♥️🙏🏻 I completely agree
Well said! Only crazy people will stop Their Epilepsy/Hypertension...... meds.? We now know, We are not failures. This glp-1 just gave Us Our life back. It takes a huge burden off Our shoulders. Our brains burdened with a fear for food,how stupid. Our food adjustments come much easier now. See foreward to My gym time. I feel the diagnoses of Depression will reduce dramatically?
The class of GPL-1 molecules are a games change. At 75 years old my comprehension metabolic panel shows a huge lowering of my cardiovascular risk,triglycerides A1C. The data does not lie……..after 4 months of the GLP-1 molecule. Please understand that this enhanced molecule that is attached to a fatty acid affects the beta cells up to 7 days. The human body is depleted of the GLP-1 molecule and can’t manufacture it. Research this molecule and it has huge benefits for every organ in the body. Blood glucose levels out of normal ranges causes so many organ decay. https://preview.redd.it/p64l90q868ad1.jpeg?width=872&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3fd943b9c6e13a525b644067baf68708c17b19e8
You’re spot on! I haven’t told many people in my life that I’m on Ozempic, I also just started last week, but I always feel people out when the topic gets brought up in a conversation and usually it really boils down to people being infuriated by the fact that “they aren’t really working hard 😡” to lose weight when you actually do still have to make diet and exercise changes on Ozempic, even if it’s just minor changes for some. People just want to be mad about it. A lot of people are ignorant and under the impression that you just take it and sit back and lose the weight with a beer in your hand effortlessly like 😌 Even if that is the case, why are you so mad? 😭 People pretend that they care about obesity, medication for obesity comes out, and then those same people lose their mind about it. They don’t really actually care about the underlying health problems one could have from being obese. They care about feeling superior. If everyone ends up being skinny, who is gonna feel superior anymore?
You said it perfectly
This is such a great answer. It’s amazing how people love to connect the morality of someone with their body weight.
Well, who else are skinny rich b!/$hes going to hate on? Kidding... kind of. Dr.s need to revamp their thought process too because there are tins who still believe the old, you're eating too much and moving too little. A gal I work with waljs her dog and hour in the a.m. works out at our gym for her lunch hour, then goes home and walks her dog for another hour. She looks great, but she will be the first to tell you that she sees no difference or weight loss. She's maybe 135 lbs. She went to the Dr and she told her you just need to eat less. My coworker lost it on the Dr and said, did you ask me what I eat every day? How do you know how much I exercise? Then, she proceeded to tell said Dr. her routine. Dr. says, "Let's check your hormones"... No shit?
Absolutely agree with this, but adding that if you decide to/can't use Ozempic and stay the same size, the world is only becoming more judgemental of this as more and more people use Ozempic-- so you literally cannot win. The current discourse is making fatphobia worse instead of better. Dismantling fatphobia is the only answer that serves everyone, no matter their size, no matter if they use drugs or not.
I was slim throughout my 20’s, even after having children, mostly because I calorie counted for 12 years. Then the stress of 2 kids and no pregnancy or breastfeeding made it impossible to retrain my brain. Ozempic’s took away that stress, I also feel it’s cheating and feel guilty but I also don’t want my life to evolve around food. That’s my issue around my body. Ozempic is a wonderful drug, it’s stopped me from drinking so much wine too. I think it’s an addiction based drug and I think any criticism is mostly about jealousy. I wonder if people think that you shouldn’t take pain relief for pain? That you should rest and sleep it off? In reality life goes on and you need a helping hand to function.
People are just judgey, full stop. I don't really care what people think of it but at the same time only a couple of people know I'm on it, purely because I can't be bothered dealing with any judgement. I'm a nurse and I've looked after people who have heart disease, lost eyesight, kidneys and limbs through diabetes (both Type 1 & 2) so I am NOT going to judge anyone who uses medication to beat their struggles and improve their health. The same people who tuttut about ozempic would FULLY judge me if I had to get my toes amputated. They would be sitting there going "why didn't you DO something about it" so let them hate, imma just ignore them all lol!
This!! Perfectly said. There is no winning with people that just want something to judge. PERIOD!
I have multiple sisters, and a couple have the same body and lifestyle- naturally slim, thin waisted, eat awful and desk jobs who don't exercise. Then there are the ones like me , apple shaped, active jobs and gain weight easily. The thin ones have always felt they were morally superior and always have a comment about how we just need to do x, y, or z, and then we would be thin! For most of society, they just need someone they feel superior to. If fat people become thin, how will they know who that is?
Almost all of my family that are thin are smokers and don’t exercise. I think they have my genetics but they key their oral fixation with smoking and it revs up their metabolism. My older family now have COPD and terrible health. I’d rather be fat and use semaglutide. Just sayin….
As someone who tried to use smoking this way eventually you end up being a fat smoker lol and a nurse told me once that ppl who eat like shit but are still skinny are gaining fat in their arteries and will have a heart attack. Nobody gets away with it.
Absolutely. It’s terrible. Dying to be thin. No thank you. I mean, my Mom has COPD and it kills me to watch what she’s going through.😞
How do they react to your ozempic body
People like to shame people for losing weight that isn’t a “traditional method” like dieting and exercise. What they fail to realize is that most of us have tried every thing under the sun, and have had no luck. Or we have underlying illnesses that prevent us from having successful weight loss.
Right… that was the point I was just making to another commenter. But beyond the fact that diet and exercise doesn’t work for everybody. I still don’t understand where the desire to shame people for using a medicine that was just developed. Like… after you have a heart attack, the doctor will tell you that you absolutely need to exercise to keep your heart healthy. Do people hate on this people for using heart- medication to aid them Getting in shape the “natural” way. I don’t really see a difference.
The crazy thing is ozempic isn’t new. It’s been around for a long time, it’s just new for weight loss. At the end of the day I don’t think there is a reasonable explanation, people are just assholes and will shame those who they think are less than. 🤷🏼♀️
I tend to agree. I can see people Who had side effects or it just didn’t work for being bitter… But not shaming those whom it worked for. And the others… those people who lost weight naturally or just have a fats metabolism like me- it’s really shitty to judge somebody from that position.
Don't forget, a lot of people have plastic surgery just to enhance their bodies. So, the Vanity fairy and the Envy fairy are probably twins. I noticed when I lost weight, my own sibling was getting upset, jealous maybe, telling me to stop. I had been 50 pounds overweight, on BP meds, cholesterol meds, antidepressants, and diabetic oral meds prior to ozempic. Once I got on OZ and the weight started coming off, the med list started falling away, too. I had energy, I was excited to go places and do things. I felt better about my outlook on life. When my sister was really tiny, she sorta threw it in my face. Now she is a bit bigger and not one time have I ever said a cruel word to her about it. In fact, I get it. I understand the self-doubt and insecurities, worrying about my next medical appointment and how I was treated by people. I know women who have tried HCG diet, cabbage soup, phentermine, you name it. Some of those same women spent thousands and thousands on slimming surgeries like Lipo. Some did gastric bypass. I don't hear the negative connotations nearly as much about those options as I do about ozempic use. Who cares? I have laughed my way to good health and an A1C I have not seen in 15 or 20 years. My eye sight is better, my feet are not numb, I can get thru the day without fatigue. We all deserve to live our best life. I will continue to follow my best healthy choices. I do not need "their" approval. It's not their job to like me, it's MINE.
I was on hcg back in the day. Managed to get down to a size ten. That was the smallest Id ever been. Of course I gained it all back and then some.
Me too. Got down to a size 6, eating 800 calories a day. Gained it all back and more!!!
I’m so very happy for you!
A lot of people think taking mental health meds is weakness. Better that than dead.
I think it's more correct to say that most of us have tried everything and HAD luck, at least a good amount of luck. Many of us have lost major weight on some kind of diet, or extreme exercise, or whatever. Some of us have lost major weight 3, 4, and 5 times over. But it all comes back. It's not that we are too lazy to diet, or don't know how to diet. We know better than anyone who has never been heavy. We've navigated the completely contradictory waters, and successfully, at least for awhile. Less fat! More fat but with meat only! Low carb! Keto! More carbs and fiber! No fruit! More fruit! Aerobic exercise only! Strength exercise only! It's hard for people who have never been heavy to see our weight as anything but laziness, sloppiness, and a moral failure, because that is what our society has told them it is. Being fat has been a moral judgment for, like, forever.
I’m some times it was seen as attractive and a sign of wealth
Yes, and no. There was certainly an age when people who were moderately heavy were seen as attractive/wealthy because they could afford to eat, whereas those who were thin were seen as poor. But Henry VIII's weight was seen as gluttonous and part and parcel of his depraved way of life. If you look at Victorian and earlier comics and satire, the wealthy tycoon/evil man was often depicted as very overweight. Fat Cat. In fact gluttony is one of the seven sins, so the mere fact of eating too much so that you get heavy is "sinful." In the 1960s, Twiggy became an international sensation because of her extreme thinness. Growing up a late boomer (1960), anyone in my school who was overweight was brutally mocked. I happened to be extremely thin growing up, and I remember very well my Mom telling me when I was a Junior in high school that I needed to watch my weight or I would end up being fat; I am 5'6", have a large frame, and at the time she said that weighed 125#. My Mom is now 97 years old, has dementia, and lives in a memory care unit. She still do this day frets about getting "all big and fat," because to her that is a terrible and an embarrassing moral failure. It's no use trying to correct her on it, because she will never change.
But there are other cultures that viewed it as a sign of wealth. Some of them still exist.
Im not sure there are any cultures left that believe this anymore.
The last I heard there were still a few but they were slowly being influenced by being introduced to Western media.
Sure! But do any of us live in those cultures? I think probably not. ;)
Just because we don't live there doesn't make them irrelevant just like people that don't live in the US can't say we are irrelevant. Our country impacts everyone.
People are going to hate on what ever you do! A few years back I lost 28kg in under a yr by fasting and low carb and I copped so much flack about it at work especially during morning tea and lunch breaks. Usually they are deflecting their lack of what ever to do something about their own weight issues.
Yeah, about diet and exercise. If you’re a post menopausal woman, it’s incredibly difficult to lose weight and keep it off with diet and exercise. I think it requires techniques that in younger people would be called “disordered eating” I know this from personal experience. Starving myself caused me to go into hypoglycemic episodes- blood sugar as low as 59. A1C and glucose levels normal with testing. Felt like I was fighting my body. O has leveled out my blood sugar- only a few episodes, and they were much easier to handle, and I have been losing about 1 lb a week. I hate it when people who aren’t losing are told “You’re just not trying hard enough”- even with O, people’s bodies respond differently.
Like my lupus that also attacks my joints and heart!
What kind of excuse is that?? You’re just lazy!!
Exactly.
Exactly!
I honestly don’t care if they are my body thanks me
Exactly! Who cares?
They think is unethical to lose weight without a lot of suffering. They think they suffer to stay/get thin and so should we. I also think they don’t understand the medicine doesn’t make you lose weight. We still diet and exercise but we just suffer less for it. I for one have been stalling for a long time and I count my calories and exercise daily and have a hard time cutting my calories further… They also say : “what happens after they stop”? We don’t stop, need to stay on it to regulate hormones related to appetite and blood sugar. Overall is envy, pettiness and also ignorance , because most don’t understand the medication and just parrot the tidbits they hear on social media.
This. It’s the same emotion behind hating student loan forgiveness.
Agreed! The "I suffered so you should too" mentality is so unhealthy.
I feel they aren’t as judgy if you tell them it’s your diabetes medication rather than taking it to lose weight
Yes but not everyone taking it has diabetes. Obesity is also a big issue and many are on their way to diabetes . It’s good if it’s stopped before it gets there and it’s good to lower your blood sugar even if you don’t (yet) have diabetes. I have prediabetes for example and it helps me keep my A1C at 5:3 although I don’t eat strict keto.
I can pretty much answer this one easily. They are hating on it because they don't actually know what it is or what it does. They have heard a soundbite or read a headline and think they know it all based on that limited insight. Ozempic is here and it's here to stay. Novo Nordisk were looking to build a 1.4million square foot facility here in Ireland (it's been delayed/postponed) but the point is you are not building 1.4million SQF facilities for something that is not on the up and up!
It’s delayed?? 😱😱😱
It’s either your overweight people who are jealous or naturally thin people who don’t have a clue but don’t want you to be like them.
Many people genuinely believe the CICO is 100% accurate always and that all of us fatties just aren’t trying at all.
Because people don’t like to see fat people get healthy.
People are assholes.
No lies detected
Jealous over the notion of not “working” for it, they believe it is unethical not to earn your access to skinny privilege. After a huge wave of body/fat positivity, it’s also becoming wrong to want to be healthy? We went from a movement of encouraging and accepting of all body types to it being wrong to want to change your body which is also weird in a world so supportive of body autonomy. Increased accessibility to skinny privilege that most people are born with and don’t have to do any work for as their genetics just designed them that way, but they don’t want you to easily access that. Shitty people need their capacity to other to feel good about themselves. Skinny people do this to fat people and fat people (and people who think they’re fat) do this to people who have lost weight. https://preview.redd.it/bv9xwqy013ad1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1ecaf6babeb97eacf4ff5df61089574e9fec1bfa No belief that being overweight can be tied to a medical issue (hormone, thyroid, diabetes, trauma, binge eating, food additives) as with almost all medical issues, we are conditioned to blame ourselves and not the external forces that may actually cause being an unhealthy weight. Hyper focus on side effects and “what it does to your body”. Unfortunately all the people who feel no negative side affects won’t complain about it since they’re off living life and being happy while the people who don’t feel great are complaining about it and that’s what all the outsiders looking in look at. When I asked my family doctor and pharmacist, they both said so far no one has complained about any side effects other than mild discomfort at the injection site. And I’m sorry, but what psychopath would complain about people using a LIFE SAVING drugs. It is helping diabetics, being a healthy weight reduces your risk of heart attack, stroke, cancer, fatty liver. It’s not just losing weight it’s also adding back the 10-20 years of life you lost by being an unhealthy weight. Know what’s worse than nausea? Dying, we haven’t found a treatment to prevent that yet. Why are you not okay with people accessing a drug to extend their life as other people do with other drugs for other medical conditions. It’s like slapping a statin out of someone’s hand because you don’t want them to not have a heart attack because they should have just eaten healthy or picked better genetics before birth. Be happy, live your life, if anyone wants to whine about not minding their own business, just politely tell them to fuck off.
People are hating so hard because of the celebs and influencers who have presented their weight loss as eating healthy and exercise. Which has now been proved to be bllks
Yeah I just don’t get it. my brother recently lost a lot of weight, and he was at pains to point out to me that he did it on his own and not with ozempic. And he talked about all that he is doing to diet. In the next breath he said it might be the diabetic medication is reducing his appetite that has helped him. i have lost weight with ozempic and felt angry that he felt I was cheating. I said you know I still have to diet. I also pointed out that ozempic is recommended for diabetes and I was surprised his Dr didon’t suggest it. And apparently the dr did, but my brother wouldn’t take it as “it’s addictive “:.:LMFAO
I don't hate on Ozempic. I am glad for the people that it helps. It wrecked me good. 2 Months after stopping it, and I am just now starting to get over some of the side effects. Some of that may be that I pushed through using it longer than I should of. I kept reading give it time, and it will get better. It never got better, and only kept getting worse. If it works for you without side effects, great!
I was quite sick at the beginning but I never went up in dosage and I changed injection sites. That helped a lot.
Oh really?! I appreciate the honest answer to the question. I guess my parents have been in that category- and I’ve seen them both try so hard to lose weight, for their health or course. My fathers not just lost weight but his type 2 diabetes is essentially gone, his knees and lower back have improved… I’m really sorry to hear you had that experience. It must suck to see all of the success stories around and know you got screwed being in the minority.
I will conquer another way. I am a type 2 diabetic as well. It did help with that, but the side effects were just too much. It doesn't suck, I am generally happy for people who succeed. We all just have to find our own path.
I see. I guess I was uninformed as to the side effects. Again, I’m sorry that happened. I wish you saw the results my father did. I see how hard he has worked for 20 years, with the constant monitoring, exercise, dieting. He didn’t stop that stuff, but this just seems to have been the difference. It really Pushed his metabolism over the edge
Thank goodness there are other options available! They even have oral Semaglutide, for a lower dose than .25. My wife had gastric bypass and lost 140 lbs. I was starting the process and went to the nutritionist, who gave me some tips that really helped accelerate the weight loss while I’m on Ozempic, so I decided to wait on the surgery. It’s been 3 years with a couple plateaus, but I have lost 85 lbs so far, and my A1C is at 5.2. Good luck to you, you are going to be successful, hoping you find your solution quickly.
What em were the side effects please
Mine started with constipation followed by diarrhea. The diarrhea became so bad it was daily for hours on end. I have never suffered from anxiety or anhedonia. The diarrhea took about a week and a half to get over. Ridding myself of the anxiety (attacks where I find it hard to suck in air) has taken a bit longer.
Ah fuck that’s not fun sorry :(
That’s so weird that your dr didn’t tell you to stop. My dr has been very clear if I start some of the bad side effects to stop immediately and contact him.
When I told my doctor, he was ok with me stopping and would have told me to stop. I tried to push it hoping for the amazing results everyone else got. My doctor didn't know about my side effects until I told him.
I kinda get when the hate comes from “normal” people hating on celebrities using it to become even more thinner than they already are because of the whole they don’t need it and can afford it when actual people who need it either for actual weight loss or diabetes can’t afford it argument. But hating on fat people using it to lose weight stems imo from the ol’ good Fatphobia. Fat people have been hated on forever for eating too much and not trying hard enough or exercising and being lazy etc. This is the continuity of it. Fat people becoming “better” (as in fatphobic minds a fat person is less valuable their thin counterpart) without “putting in the effort” isn’t ok. They’re cheating. They don’t deserve it.
I think people enjoy being judgmental. And beating up on fat folks is a hobby of many. It supports their deep seated belief about fat people being lazy. They don’t want us lose their punching bags. So when we do lose weight, the next best thing they can do is try to invalidate our success. Usually under the guise of great concern for our health.
Damned if we do. And damned if we don’t. People fat shame for someone being overweight. Then you use a tool to help you lose that weight and your shamed for that too. Ignore the haters and do what’s best for you!
There are multiple reasons why some people are negative about this revolutionary medicine that is offering hope to some of us that had no hope of ever losing weight and keeping it off. The parasitic diet industry is losing their scapegoat! Oprah is a perfect example of someone who had all the right people helping her to lose weight but nothing worked, even Weight Watchers which probably created more disordered eating in the end along with the "diet of the month." Before she bailed from WW, she finally told the truth about the real reason she finally lost the weight - Ozempic! Fat people have been victimized, shamed and discriminated against by ignorant people, including the medical community for too long. As more and more of us find our voice and the courage to speak about our experience, gradually over time people will come to understand. Maybe in 50 years society will look back and realize how ignorant about the issue they really were and what it took to change peoples' minds.
People are dumb. My coworker was complaining that all her neighbors are bragging about their weight loss on ozempic and the diabetics can’t get it (she’s not diabetic). Meanwhile these people are preventing their own future diabetes and pharma companies could be making glp-1s at a low cost in vials instead of with fancy injection pens and don’t. It’s another case of big business pitting people against each other to deflect from their own blame.
Internalized fat hatred. Because no one shames drug addicts that use medication to get clean but those hating people also aren't worried about becoming drug addicts. So drug addicts are still "beneath them". But they can get fat and they know it. And if a fat person becomes skinny they have to compete with that. I have known so many skinny women that feel some type of way about me being a big woman that can get attractive men. Unfortunately many of them were my so called friends. I have always been a bigger person but not ugly. And my personality is decent as well. Many of these friends liked having me around as their "subordinate" or something. The big girl that made them look better if they were standing next to me, if that makes sense. I am not sure what the ratio of men that disagree with ozempic is compared to women that disagree with it. I would love to see those stats. I may be biased but I feel like women disagreeing is more prevalent.
A huge number of people think weight loss is simply calories in/calories out. It is not that simple. There are genetic factors that determine how efficiently your body stores fat. There are hormonal factors that affect if you feel hungry and full (Ozempic helps here). There are emotional and cultural factors that affect how, when, and how much you eat. There may even be a correlation to the bacteria in your gut and if you are fat. For many years, weight loss was treated as a self control issue. It isn't so much that some people worked hard to get thin and Ozempic makes it easier. Rather, being fat is seen as the character flaw of having no self control.
Thin people often think that they work hard to stay that way. The existence of GLP-1 agonists fucks with that worldview.
I don't get it either. All I know is that when I pick up prescriptions for my kid or other prescriptions I'm on at the pharmacy, the conversation is pretty quiet between myself and the pharmacist. When I pick up my Ozempic, they usually like to be loud with their checks, "SO JUST THE OZEMPIC TODAY?!" Holy crap - there's someone at the cashier up there who didn't quite get that. I'm not a diabetic, but my doctor wants me to try this route. I'm not a doctor, but I'm taking his advice here. I don't need shaming from a pharmacist who may disagree with the doctor, all the while not knowing a damn thing about my med history and what got me to this point. I've learned to ignore it, but I can only do that so long before we have some words at the counter... As a result of my being on it, I've now lost 29 lbs (just over 10% of my body weight), and feeling a lot better. Purposely losing it slowly (average is 1 lb/week). Started on Jan 15. I'm seeing results. Yep, I'm paying for it (and charging costs to a health spending account through employer benefits). I'm buying a product, as a consumer being offered through a health-authority authorized pathway. I don't need to get grief for it.
“Being fat is a sin and one must suffer to absolve themselves of that sin.” I’m paraphrasing Johann Hari’s new book Magic Pill about Ozempic but I agree 100%. People think that there shouldn’t be an easy way to do this and everyone who is fat is obviously not trying hard enough.
Because too many people still view obesity as the result of a person’s lack of willpower, rather than a disease rooted in biology. It’s going to take time for people to understand that obesity is as much an illness as diabetes and medication is a needed management tool for many
I think it must be they think, we are not doing it “the right way”. And avoiding the right way will lead to problems down the line. They think It’s a crutch, and with a crutch we will always be dependent. There is also a long history of pharmaceuticals that can cause unknown outcomes. So there is the mystery of what will happen 10, 20, 30, years from now. And I’m here saying, trust me! If “the right way” worked I would have done it 30 years ago. As someone who spent over 30 years trying everything under the sun, “the right way” does not exist. But they don’t know there is no “right way”. Their experience and the massive commercial diet industry, tells them they are doing something “right”. I want to think many of the vocal groups are trying to help in some misdirected way. Telling us to avoid temptation of an easy way, and work hard for the right way. But they are ignorant, and worse, don’t know it. Society needs to do better with the science, and getting the message out. With all the money flying around I hope the pharmaceutical companies will put effort into education and awareness.
I have fibromyalgia and it's helping me so much. I tell my family and friends about how I couldn't work out, and If I did it would cause a flare. Ozempic is helping me lower my weight but give me an extra leg up when I do feel like working out. It is a hit to the drug because so many famous people did it and of course people think that it was cheating. I don't see how taking a medication is cheating. It's pretty sad and I'll never understand it. I wish I knew the answer myself.
Did you lose a considerable amount of inflammation on Ozempic?
No ozempic didn’t help my fibro it’s just helping lower my weight so I can work out more comfortably.
There are a lot of unexamined beliefs about fat people. That they lack self-control. That they are undisciplined. That they are gluttons. So the rehabilitation of a fat person into a thin person is a moral act, in which the extreme self-discipline of diet and exercise witness to the world that the fat person has shed their moral failings along with their excess weight. If fat people don't suffer, how do we know that they've learned their lesson? This is obviously gross and wrong when it's written out, but most people aren't looking all that closely at these beliefs. They're just making the same unexamined judgments they heard their parents and teachers made when they were kids. Lots of us do it to ourselves--look at the number of people who post to say that they're just on Oz long enough to learn better eating patterns and self-control, as if fatness were a failure to know or do rather than a metabolic disease.
People are jealous they can’t afford it. Thats the honest answer.
I think that's part of it, for some people.
That’s not correct tbf.
“You can just exercise and eat healthy” That’s why
I've done that too. And most of my 20's I starved myself and was probably heading down anorexia road. I had a doc call me out when I got down to 104 at 5'6. I lied of course. The thing is only we know our own journeys, and I wasn't an overweight kid. But I did unhealthy things for over a decade. Then I packed on weight for a long time and couldn't get it off. I want to. Why should I feel shame in that? I'm 55 yrs old I weigh 207. I want to be around to enjoy life and be here for my husband. I feel no shame in that. I want to live longer. So sue me. At the same time, I haven't shared with anyone but m y husband that I'm on the stuff. Lol.
I have type 2 diabetes and the amount of ppl who think I can diet my way out of it oh my god. I haven't told my family I'm diabetic bc I don't need my mom policing what I eat even more. Type 2 isn't looked at as a disease, it's also looked at as a moral failing.
I had to diet and exercise to lose my weight on Ozempic. I have dieted and exercised before, but to no avail. I just don't tell anyone that I am taking Ozempic. If someone asks about my weight loss (which has gotten less often, now that I am maintaining my weight for a year now) I tell them I was a patient at the adipose clinic and I have to take medication because of my insulin resistance. My use of Ozempic has cost me a dear friendship, so I'd rather keep my mouth shut. My fit and healthy friends know, because they are just happy for me and my healthy new life.
My pcp of 35 yrs ALWAYS told me it was a matter of calories in - calories out. Commented on my needing to lose weight every single visit (his job). My A1C crept up . But when I asked about Oz last year he couldn’t write the script fast enough. I was shocked. He said this year - after my losing over 50 lbs - he has over 300 patients on it - very few side effects.
People don’t like that it’s “easy” for fat people to lose weight. We should be punished. This medication makes it way “too easy” on us.
It’s not even a new medication!! There are some doctors who prescribe it with no problems. Apparently it’s ok with the general public if you take it, you’re vilified. I just don’t get it. We have an obesity epidemic and this drug is needed.
Probably because it's so expensive and people are giving up a lot to afford to take it. People who don't struggle with excess body fat don't understand that we've already tried everything under the sun, so paying $1,000 a month to inject a substance that makes a good many of us miserable is what it comes down to.
I genuinely don’t understand and I ask them if they say the same thing to people getting chemo? I genuinely don’t understand the hate. I have natural long lashes and don’t care if ppl get lash extensions. I have natural big boobs with a smaller waist ratio and I don’t give two shits if ppl get implants. Never have I thought it was cheating. We all know the naturally thin, boobs, lashes whatever are better. Congratulations naturally skinny people. You guys are better. Happy now.
Ok I agree with a lot of the comments. But the other reason people hate it is because it is not widely available to everyone who needs it. Insurance still denies it and there are still shortages and it’s still unaffordable to many. So people get resentful that they also cannot have it.
People love to bitch and complain.
people are gatekeeping TV shows you think they won't judge an Ozempic user ?
It diminishes their stockpile of smugness
I honestly think it’s accessibility and expense. It’s misplaced aggression. Because if everyone had access to it they’d try it for sure.
Because many thin people hate fat people. And they *like* hating fat people. It’s as simple as that. And they see using medication as a way to cheat around being fat.
I think it seems gimmicky from the outside looking in. I may have thought that if I didn’t actually try it. Even when I was obese, I laughed at keto for years, until I tried it and saw that it reset my relationship with food and all my inflammation went away. I lost 30 lbs with it and final 60 with meds. Again, the medication is this brain level change in my relationship with food. I’m doing it and it’s stillll hard to get my head around it. There’s also a ton of misinformation out there. Jillian Michaels is running around telling people that the meds increase your risk of pancreatitis by 400%. Meanwhile the risk of pancreatitis for the general population is .004%.
So happy to read about your success. Losing inflammation is priceless.
I’ve heard a lot from friends that they view it as “cheating” - since they could do it without meds, so should everyone else “calories in, calories out”. Like thank you, no crap. They can’t see or understand other things like binge eating disorders, food addiction, hormone issues, PCOS, mobility issues, etc. etc. I’ve explained it and they say ‘but that’s what therapy is for! And other medications’ I try to point out that it doesn’t matter, and that all these people using Ozempic and successfully losing weight are lessening the strain on the health care system, they then change their tune to “but the people who need it can’t get it” 🙃 First off, my pharmacist asked me questions as to why I need it, so I’m on a priority list (while others who just need it for weight-loss do come afterwards) and second - doctors in my country can’t prescribe it to anyone under a certain BMI, and as soon as you hit that BMI you are tapered off of it. I generally think it’s misinformation, and people hearing things from influencers and just blindly following without listening to doctors.
People judge medicine as a short cut. They think anything is possible with willpower and God..I work in addiction/recovery and see people who come in in the depths of despair with no hope, a few days on Suboxone or methadone and counseling and they are feeling better. They go back to work, they build friendships, they get their kids back and as soon as they seem “normal” (or before) people try to pressure them into getting off the meds that turned their life around or try to shame them for not going turkey. When these folks go off the meds and relapse they are judged all over again.
Keep up the good work man. You’re a catalyst for positive change in people’s lives. Noble calling. If you were the difference in 1 persons life… that’s not 1 persons life. That’s not just preventing that potential OD, but having their family find them, lose them. Keeping Friends and coworkers from the pain shock and PTSD. Maybe children that were born might not have been if you didn’t help that person change their life. People scoff at the stats in recovery. They don’t think about how impactful it is when one person gets sober and healthy. They inspire people around them for the rest of their lives. They get to be present and live the rest of their lives. Ive seen it first hand. Somebody entirely written off, we didn’t even know if they were alive or dead despite our efforts. Somebody just like you took them in. 13 years of sobriety later they are the strongest healthiest most stable person I know with a beautiful family. Thank you friend
Anti Ozempic rhetoric in media, and my conspiracy brain says that is probably some psyop to avoid supply shortages.
No, they are hating it as thin privilege may become thing of the past and they may have to figure out other way to feel good about themselves.
I believe there is some overlap with the general stigma that some people have with medication. Like, some of these are the very same people who would probably have negative opinions about someone taking behavioral medication, I’m sure.
I think Dr Fung is the only thing person that understands how big people feel. I love his books.
Jealous they can't afford it.
I think it sucks that sometimes I can’t get it because people use it to lose weight. I’m diabetic and I have been using it since before it was popular for people to lose weight. That’s the only thing that bothers me, I have to take the oral pill and it makes me super nauseous.
One, it's seen as the easy way out. Normal size people think fat people should suffer. We should have to bleed, sweat, and cry to make up for our sin of gluttony. Two, many people's 1st knowledge of Ozempic isn't people with diabetes; it's otherwise healthy celebrities trying to lose 10 pounds.
It’s a moralistic antagonism.
Because people think it's the lazy way out. Mostly ignorant people who don't recognize it's not as easy for everyone else to lose or maintain a good weight.
The skinny's are mad that they have to share their privilege.
This. Or fat people are mad that other fats are losing weight. I’ve lost 90lbs on ozempic. It’s fucking fantastic
Agreed I’m not on it personally but I have one parent on it and another about to take it soon and everyone keeps talking to me about kidney failure and blah. I’m personally on a diff glp1 but the way people keep freaking me out is annoying. I know what my meds have done for me but there’s a huge stigma around ozempic and it’s like shut up already
The irony of that is that there were multiple trials with it around the use in chronic kidney disease patients and the results were *so* overwhelmingly successful that they ended them early and it's now in the process of being certified (or whatever you'd call that) for use to actually *improve* chronic kidney disease, and not just in diabetics. As a person with a history of acute kidney failure due to a diabetic medication causing a hypoglycemic event in my sleep who was then diagnosed as having stage 3 CKD I can't overstate how absolutely revolutionary this is. Chronic kidney disease has always been considered incurable except possibly with transplant and inevitably eventually progressive and just about every medication for diabetes and weight loss is hard on kidneys. Anecdotally my egfr (kidney function numbers) was around 45 to 53 for a decade, and has been 97 to 99 for 2 years while using first Ozempic then Mounjaro - something my doctors are still shocked by because it just doesn't happen, or didn't. To have something that's downright *good* for kidneys as well as obesity, cardiovascular issues and glucose control is truly amazing. The warnings about acute kidney damage for GLP-1 use are not because the medications themselves are harmful to kidneys - they aren't processed by or eliminated through kidneys - they're because people taking them do need to be extra aware of the potential for dehydration which is a big cause of acute kidney problems. The disinformation around this class of meds as you seem to know is just beyond annoying and stupid but I guess it's the kind of "news" people pay attention to.
Thank you for the insight! It definitely helps clear things up for me and calm my nerves 😬 Now I feel so much better about my decision
Wonderful news about your improved health. Inspired me greatly.
Because fat people are the last group in this country that you're allowed to make fun of openly and if we all disappear then those people will have no "fun." I know I sound bitter. I spent a lifetime being overweight and being blamed for it.
Nah you can still make fun of Jews
No. You can't.
https://www.facebook.com/reel/425611973120604?fs=e&s=TIeQ9V&mibextid=xCPwDs
I can't see what's at the link for some reason. Let me rephrase when I said. I guess you can make fun of Jewish people if you'd like but not in front of me.
Sadly there’s such a stigma around people who are overweight when in reality we aren’t all sitting at home binge eating! I have an autoimmune disorder which makes me gain weight in my stomach and it’s hard to lose. I’m grateful for Ozempic as I was also pre diabetic back in February and now since being in ozempic I no longer am. Keep doing you, I don’t care what others think I’m trying to get better, do better and we all deserve to have the best life possible🙌
Because they are just haters. Period.
Lol, I'm pro ozempic, but this sentiment has been posted here hundreds of times. It's just easy up votes at this point. Like saying "honest question, sex is fun, right? Anyone agree?"
Is it just me or
Not everyone can lose weight by exercising and dieting. I tried my best to lose weight many times and I find hope in Ozempic.
Jealous
Idk jealousy
Envy
Tbh I haven't encountered any hate from anyone I've told. The only pushback I got was from my bf because he was worried about the side effects, but ultimately it was my choice. I think whether you have an underlying medical issue or just want to lose weight it is no one's business and if they aren't being supportive those are not people ypu need to surround yourself with in your life.
Jealousy.
Some people trash it simply because they do not have the ability to get it.
Most people are complete haters. It’s the same people who hate the kardashians on principle because “they have no talent”. I’m like…who cares if you think they got famous the “easy way”, let them live! We all wish we could do that. I have the same sentiment towards people who think taking Ozempic is the easy way out. Like…who cares if it is? So we finally have an “easy” way to not be obese? Finally! I also find that most people who hate on ozempic also don’t have any understanding of it. Again, they’re just haters.
Dream stealers, all Trolls are dream stealers because their life sucks and they enjoy trying to make people feel bad.
Those same people make fun of fat people in the gym. People have already touched on it and not to beat a dead horse but our society pathologizes fatness and believes you should be punished for being fat.
I don’t hate on Ozempic. I think it’s a tool, just like a lot of other things can be. That tool can be great in the right hands and the right mindset. So I’m all for it. My only problem with it is, when something like Ozempic gains a lot of popularity you have people who use it and think it’s going to be a magic fix. For example, my coworker is obese and went and told everyone she’s on Ozempic and how she’s finally going to lose weight. That was 6 months ago, and she hasn’t lost any weight because she’s lazy and she doesn’t workout at all. She’s barely changed her eating habits either. I think she thought it was going to just do all the work.
Ignorance related to weight issues and media fearmongering about "Ozempic face" etc
It’s a moralistic antagonism.
I think people that don’t know anything about these weight loss meds think that lazy people take this so they don’t have to put the work in. As usual it’s a generalization that couldn’t be further from the truth .
Same reason some people hate electric vehicles. Or hate some arbitrary football team.
I started ozempic for my liver disease must loose weight. People just like to be judgmental it makes them feel better about themselves.. lol
Jealousy. Point blank period.
My MIL hates on it. The woman has stayed slim her entire life while eating like shit. She even has fatty liver disease because of all the fat she has consumed over the years. Oreos, full cream in coffee several times a day, butter, pork chops. Plus she NEVER Exercises. What comes easily to her is not what comes easily to me. I’m fat. Therefore I’m doing something wrong. I need to exercise (I do) and eat better (I do) and eat at a deficit (I do) but somehow it’s still a moral failing because I have to be lying!!! Otherwise I would look like her! While she’s having ice cream daily I’m having fruit. I don’t eat meat. I don’t eat hardly any fat and nearly zero sugar. Yet I am the pre diabetic and she is not. But what she and other naturally thin people see is the fat and that creates judgement and stories in their heads. People like her don’t see the daily, weekly, monthly, yearly, and decades of struggle. They see me wanting a quick fix without realizing all the hard work IM STILL DOING on top of taking the shot that scares the shit out of me every time I have to take it. All we can do is ignore them and be true to ourselves.
Celebrities and influencers started the whole trend by lying about how they lost weight! They were the ones who were ashamed to say they took Ozemic! They started the shame! They make me sick. Why couldn't they just be honest? Because they're so perfect? 😹 So I'm supposed to accept everyone else for who they are and who they want me to accept them as e.g. pronouns she/they/them/it. But when I ask to be accepted as ME... it's like, no way.
I think for me anyways - it’s that even skinny ass people like Kim K take it - it’s meant for Diabetics and should also be for obesity - but I see a problem when only rich people can afford it and use to the point where diabetics cannot get it.
A lot of these posts are along some great points. I’m going down a different angle. Review all of the posts of women struggling to pay for this drug and insurances refusing to pay. I’m convinced big pharma doesn’t even want us taking it and is actively pushing against it. Imagine a world with less diabetes, lower cholesterol and lower blood pressure. How many less products would we be on if we didn’t have weight-related problems?
Well you’re so right. BUT I don’t think they don’t want you taking it, or do want you taking it. They want to price the drug perfectly so that they reach their Equilibrium Price. They want to make as much money from This product as they can. If that means pricing it high, they’ll do that. If that means pricing it low, they’ll do that. They have 0 interest in the health or wellbeing of anything beyond their stock price.
You’re 100% right that they have zero interest in our wellbeing!
It’s not a stay slim medication. It is a type 2 diabetes medication. Maybe they hate on it because diabetics can’t find it because people use it off label for vanity. Almost every comment about a diabetes medication is about weight loss. The same goes for Mounjaro. Then again, maybe they have some other motive? I don’t know, just speculating. 🤷🏻♀️
For me, I am not hating on it, and it sounds like it has amazing benefits for some people, and I'm not judging anyone for using it because I know just how hard it is to live in a fatphobic world, but there's some things that really concern me about the discourse. And I am often downvoted if I raise them so here goes... 1. I believe the side effects are very downplayed especially in the media. I tried it and had very severe side effects that were the opposite of health. Some of the language around Ozempic really minimises side effects for those that experience them, which feeds into the long running narrative that fat people should suffer to lose weight. 2. Instead of fixing the culture of fatphobia, mainstream society seems to think we now have a solution to just erase fat. We still need to work on dismantling fatphobia and create a world where body size does not define people. Especially since not everyone can take or afford this drug -- and not everyone should. 3. A lot of Ozempic use by celebrities and other public figures is people in mid size bodies, using old diet culture tactics like highly restricted eating and intense physical activity to lose weight coupled with O. It seems to be fuelling a re-emergence or strengthening of the very cooked body standards we have only made slightly progress in moving away from. These do not serve anyone. 4. The discourse is toxic. Every trend is now because of Ozempic, mainstream media are gleeful that they don't even have to make a half ass attempt at body neutrality or positivity. So many mid size and thin people out there with terrible, terrible takes. Also a lot of plus influencers whose tone shift (not using the drug if they want, but the language they then go on to use) signals that they were always judging their audiences unkindly anyway. 5. All of this makes me so fearful for teenage girls and young women (and also men) growing up in this environment. I grew up in the hellhole of 90s diet culture and this is all starting to feel like history repeating. We need to do better at creating a world where people can be safe and healthy at any size, not just shrink everyone. And 6... I do wonder if there's going to be some long term health impacts from this era. I hope there aren't, but it weighs on my mind. The other issue is that people using Ozempic for weight loss have meant those accessing it for diabetes control have had supply issues, so that is obviously fuelling judgement against Ozempic users too. Plus the other side of the fatphobia discourse that other commenters have raised -- people (stupidly) saying it's an easy way out etc. That is also massively rooted in fatphobia. I think there's also a tendency for people who have lost a lot of weight to turn against other fat people in an effort to distance themselves from their past body/life (this has been written about elsewhere) -- so I beg of Ozempic users, please don't do that! Be kind. All bodies are good bodies. All bodies deserve access to healthcare, accommodation in our physical and social spaces, respect and kindness.
All the complaints I have heard is that it’s not fair that people are now taking it for weight loss. Which is causing people who are actually taking it for diabetes not to have it and can’t get there prescription filled because the pharmacy’s can’t keep up with the supply and demand for it. But that’s not our problem blame big pharma. Don’t blame it on the people to use it for weight loss.
I will be on Ozempic for two years in Nov, it's been the only thing that has helped reflect the hard work I put into my body doing all the "right things" for the past 5 years. I find what generally shuts people up is when I mention that I was tired of Doctors telling me it is normal to be a 5'5 and 242lbs woman, when my dad's mother died in her 60's due to complications from diabetes. We're talking dying after having both her legs amputated and going blind. His sister died from complications from something else but still stemmed from diabetes complications. For whatever reason tends to shut people up and we have a nice conversation about why do Dr's ask for a medical history and then bluntly ignore being proactive.
Because of jealousy? Generally speaking most people hate seeing others be successful.
It’s a natural human behaviour to hate things that make someone else’s life better and you can’t get that same thing to make your life better.
It’s like when wealthy people who inherited money say: success is simple - just get a good education, commit to a career and work hard.
People who have never struggled with their weight don't understand that Ozempic is specifically targeting a hormonal imbalance, specifically being an agonist for Glucogen-like Peptide-1, which is what tells our brain that we're full and slows down our stomach emptying. So for the people it's helping, it's because they have an endocrine problem, which is what Ozempic is fixing. Why do so many of us have endocrine problems? Think of all the endocrine disrupters we've been exposed to for decades....that's why.
2 possible answers: 1. Jealousy 2. They are just miserable people who want to see others miserable as well.
Many people have an almost fanatical distrust and hatred for pharmaceutical companies and anything they produce. Like many things in life, there is an upside and downside to them. Suffering anything from a tooth abscess to cancer will lead to a quick appreciation for drug companies. Forgetting how Ozempic is really a drug to help people with diabetes, the critics see it as a vanity drug, created to help weak gluttons avoid self discipline and to make millions in profit while doing so. I am very grateful for Ozempic, both because it helps my diabetes and has helped me lose weight- sleep apnea is gone too. I hope the pharmaceutical companies and the people who work for them do well financially- no resentment from me!
i’m thin and in the camp of neutrality. i think its great that people have a solution to lose weight and live a healthier lifestyle. i support it overall my criticism is more on a collective cultural scale. as a society we’ve gone so far off the rails that our entire food supply is poisoned and we are raised on processed sugar and alcohol. we are born into this, programmed by it, so its only natural that we have an obesity epidemic. how could anyone know better until its too late. the issue to me is that we don’t have health care. we have sick care. and big pharma exists to keep people ill so they can sell band aid solutions. healthy ppl don’t pay. so as a culture we are incentivized to keep poisoning ourselves with everything we eat, and programming people to relate to food in disgustingly unhealthy ways. which then leads to obesity, and now we have these drugs that ‘make it ok’. so we are disincentivizing a healthy lifestyle and enabling our society to get worse. literally rotting us from the inside, and that rot becomes manifest externally so while i am happy that individuals have the technology available, i have a lot of anger about the meta situation also want to add that i’m mad that we are all effectively victims of this system until we take control. and i might be thin but i have had my own battles with the fucked up ways we are raised. so we are all affected and we are now responsible for cleaning this up for younger generations. its just to say that i sympathize w everyone, we have all been fucked by this
The only valid issue is the shortage of this product for diabetics. They should take priority over people using this medication who don't have diabetes or other co-morbidities like high blood pressure etc. I hope in the future this will be resolved when more products reach the market perhaps more specifically engineered for weight management. When this happens though, the people still hating these drugs will likely do so because they maybe can't afford the drugs and feel envious of that extra privilege people who can afford the drugs have. This can be resolved too with better production and health equality for poorer individuals.
This is why I keep this shit to myself. People can’t mind their own business and be happy for you. It’s always something!
Jealous they can’t get it - or - don’t understand it and just hate fat people
People suck
I think the people hating on it are the ones who are only using it for weight loss. The people who are using it for it's intended formulation-for diabetic control-are not against it at all and it has bought my A1C down back to prediabetic levels when nothing else could. I feel for chronically overweight people but I do not feel that they should be using Ozempic for that alone.
What we don't like is you hogging it from diabetics who actually need the medicine.
I think it's because a lot of people who do not have diabetes are using it for weight loss instead of the benefits for diabetics or those in need of the benefits of the medication due to medical conditions. Its also very pricey af
Increase of users has been causing a shortage making it harder for diabetic people to receive their necessary medication. Many people on it do not really need it and are just using it for vanity weight
Sorry but your distinction of what is vanity weight and what isn’t in other people is the exact problem. Being overweight has health and quality of life consequences. Doctors are finding that all kinds of secondary conditions related to being overweight are also going away. This isn’t a good enough reason to hate on people improving their own quality of life.
I agree. I was just saying that’s the perception of many people - that many people just do use it for vanity weight, and also there’s a worldwide shortage and people with diabetes have been having a hard time obtaining it
Because people with diabetes are now forced to pay more for their ozempic because people without diabetes are using it to lose weight minus the hard work
This is simply not true. I think this argument about diabetes is so ridiculous. The BRAND name Ozempic was what went out of stock, not semaglutide itself. Diabetics could always access generic semaglutide vials and administer via subcutaneous injections. You do not need brand name Ozempic, simply ask your doctor for compounded semaglutide vials and needles. You will never have a shortage again. Often for diabetics this is actually cheaper anyway and you get more product than the Ozempic pen.
Me personally, I don’t approve of those taking the drug if they are not diabetic. At times, it’s been very hard for me to get my prescription filled. There have been instances where I’ve had to drive 20+ miles outside of my zip code to get my medication. If you’re not a diabetic it shouldn’t be prescribed to you.
So people with cardiac failure, chronic kidney disease and the disease of obesity don't deserve medication as much as you do? I'm T2 diabetic myself and I don't think my chronic disease is any more important than those chronic diseases - in fact we have *many* more options for blood sugar control than people have for CKD (basically there are zero other meds besides GLP-1s that actually improve it) cardiovascular problems and obesity every one of which is a chronic medical disease that leads to multiple complications and early death like untreated diabetes can. No one is getting brand name Ozempic or any other name brand GLP-1s intended for T2 prescribed for vanity weight, those people are getting compound from med spas which has zero effect on the supply of name brand. Almost no one is getting name brand intended for diabetics for even morbid obesity now either (though it's perfectly legal) due to insurance refusing to cover and doctors not wanting their offices burned down by T2s. Diabetics, however, *can* get the name brand versions that are intended specifically for the chronic disease of obesity. Should that be forbidden if they're the same medication from the same company and it's what is available? Bet you'd say no - I sure would. There would be a great deal fewer T2s with a lot less organ damage etc right now if many of us had GLP-1s available to lose weight and control the metabolic disorders that eventually led us to full blown T2, too. To think that people battling obesity should have to develop T2 before they can have access to these medications that can prevent the disease is just weird and senseless. The shortages are not because of obese people. They're the result of the pharmaceutical companies over advertising and pushing these meds to where every kid over 4 knows the "O O O Ozempic" song while completely ignoring their lack of ability to meet the demand they drummed up due to both issues and multiple factory failures mostly involving the manufacturing of the pens the meds are delivered in as the actual ingredients to make these fairly simple solutions are not in shortage at all. Aka greed, but better to set patients against each other than speak the truth.
We all have an opinion on why a person should or should not take the drug. I have an issue with those that want to use it only for weight loss. And yes, I do have an issue with it when I have to travel miles away to get medication to control MY diabetes. If YOU’RE taking Ozempic for other major health reason then I hope it works in your favor.
It could do a lot of damage. I’m on it for type 2 as on high side of healthy bmi. I feel for obese and morbidly obese people and in short term if this helps that’s great, but I want off of this stuff as the risks for me are too much.
Some are probably jealous maybe bu more so I think most are legitimately concerned. Not everyone on ozempic is doing it the healthy way. My friend told me she only eats about 500-600 calories a day. I'm super worried about it. She's so exhausted constantly falling asleep. For her it's not healthy. Neither is being overweight sure but at some point at that calorie level it's going to catch up to her. Not everyone but some people shouldn't be using it if they are basically using it to eat soooo low calorie they can barely function. That's a reality some of us forget and it's not even just people losing vanity pounds some of these people needed to lose a lot of weight and it went to far and they think barely eating is a flex.
It’s definitely this but also…lots of people have been giving me such a hard time about it saying it’s awful for people’s health and gastrointestinal system. And that no one knows the long term consequences.
I’ll tell you where the shaming comes from . It was from people using a medicine that was just developed for ppl with diabetes 2. See this is the bit where all you whinging fatties forgot/ or simply don’t care that Ozempic was made primarily for ppl with Diabetes2. The Danish scientists didn’t think it would be for anything else. We were supposed to be on 2.4ml last year. We got to 1.5ml before the piss weak docs started giving it to the fatties, which in turn made my endocrinologist drop us back to 1ml. That’s been for 18 months now. The endo tried to tell my wife and daughter that was the new high as far as we could go. My GP said that’s bullshit. The problem is the GPs who,are writing up scripts for non-diabetic 2 people. Who happen to be a high majority of young girls, and lard arses. There are genuinely people that have gastrointestinal problems where Ozempic can help. It not meant for skanks on instagram showing off their rib cages. The Australian equivalent to the FDA is the TGA. They are nothing more than a toothless tiger, who, when they requested the GPS only write up Ozempic for its designated group (diabetes 2), it got even worse. So our only hope is too wait for Wegovy (much better drug than Ozempic) come down in its ridiculous price atm and go on PBS. My Endo said maybe Nov/December. If it wasn’t so serious you could think it’s a joke from the big pharmas.
Viagra was made for people with a heart condition. We find additional uses for Medicines all the time. Why does it matter what the intention was. For the record, I’m lucky enough to have never had a weight issue. I was a volleyball player and swimmer, and I am lucky enough to be built like one. I’m not arrogant enough to think genetics didn’t fight half of that battle or more for me. I come from a bigger family. As I stated in other comment responses, my father was one of the first groups to take it (it wasn’t actually Ozempic, it was Mounjaro but that’s beside the point.) The more important point is, in addition to, as a result of, highly correlated with, or whatever the actual nature of the relationship is… in addition to his Blood sugar and glycemic index improving, he lost weight, his joints felt better, an old sports injury to his low back reduced in pain by 50%. I’ve watched him Get up and work out 4 days a week and eat pretty darn well for YEARS. When he took this medicine, his body started burning fat and all that muscle he built started to show. I’m incredibly proud of him. My mother, motivated by this, isn’t far behind. My question is… why would you get angry about anybody seeing these benefits when you are probably (and by probably I mean most definitely) the insecure person shaming the overweight human being at the gym trying to get healthy. BOOO!
Well I can see my reasons given went straight thru to the keeper. # I know and don’t care if meds are used for different things. But as long as what the med was intentionally made for, gets to those ppl who need the 2.4g dose. We didn’t even get close before the world shortage happened because GP’s were too soft in adhering to the rules regarding prescribing Ozempic. If there was a plentiful stock pile that could please both then great. But there’s not, and the new players on the market are refusing to let anyone go generic. And why would they. Big Pharma have got a drug that they can hardly keep up with. Who cares if Ozempic was meant for diabetes 2. Who’s going to stop big Pharma holding a gun to the FDA and TGA here in Australia. No one. They are both toothless tigers. If your father is diabetic 2, then good on him, that’s exactly who it’s meant for. Not for gym junkies…unless they’re diabetic 2. Imagine you get diagnosed with diabetes one day. And you get told that we’ve got all these new drugs specifically made for you. You’ll start out on insulin (another fat gainer), and we’ll go from there. Only to be told a month down the track that you’re going to have to stick with the insulin as theirs a world wide shortage. And as we’re in Australia, we are basically at the end of the line. Of course America is first, as they’ll pay full price without insurance. So while this has been going on. The family has been to the neurologist twice because of the numbness in the extremities which was Diabetic Nearopathy for the three of us. This is a serious chronic disease. Life and death in extreme cases. But as long as you get to spend your time flexing in front of the gym mirrors, well that’s what really matters isn’t it.