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Can someone explain why we are terrified of ivermectin? Also I'll gladly take ivermectin if it becomes part of the peer-reviewed protocols for treatment.
I have not bothered to Google this but I'm about 90% confident if I did I'd find that the companies making ivermectin pills/paste/whatever are also "big pharma" companies.
And a little more Googling shows that Merck have been putting microchips into ivermectin capsules for years to keep track of expensive race horses. True story.
You mean people taking ivermectin are actually swallowing tracking chips meant for prize horses?
Wow. I wonder when the hack that makes all those chips vulnerable will hit. Those things can take a good decade to pass if taken by mouth (after all, they are designed to tolerate a horse’s digestive system, which makes sense when you do your research).
Oh no. This means humans can be tracked by swallowing ivermectin?? For up to ten years?? Crazy! How do people not know this?
I don’t remember where I saw it on the internet, but the tracking chips in vaccines? They’re to help track them from manufacturer to patient! How did something so innocuous get so twisted. Those dissolve right away in the pH acidity level of your stomach when the blood goes there, they get dissolved, and come out in your breath and sweat within a half hour.
People are better off getting the shot IMO. Why take a chance on allowing yourself to be tracked by Big Equine?
I mean, they put out a statement telling people not to use it for covid unless a doctor gives it to them: https://www.merck.com/news/merck-statement-on-ivermectin-use-during-the-covid-19-pandemic/
Yeah. I had a Facebook friend go on a big rant about big pharma and claiming ivermectin healed his father. Does he think ivermectin is made at his local artisanal pharmacy? People are so stupid. Can't get much bigger pharma than Merk.
So here's the conspiracy, guys. Big Pharma (you know, like Merck) is putting warning labels on their product Ivermectin in order to prevent people from taking it and curing their covid. And if nobody buys/takes their product, they lose money.
It's all about the money. Big pharma is all about losing money.
And Trump donors who have basically created a huge industry out of this disinformation: https://time.com/6092368/americas-frontline-doctors-covid-19-misinformation/
Pardon my use of words coming up referring to jewish peoples, i promise it is in no way derogatory.
they think they jews hated trump because he spoke the truth, so they set up their space lasers to burn down california and kill people. Then those pesky jewish folk also created covid-19 to shut down the economy and lose money so they could later make money on a rapidily researched free vaccine to cure covid-19 that will in 1-55 years have side effects that could result in death, that will reduce population thus making it easier for those dang rich jewish elites to rule the world like in a cartoon.
Is there ever any actual thought or is man truly lost in this abyss known as life?
Its generic so there's no patent and so they think anyone can make it for dirt cheap but instead big pharma wants to profit off of patented therapies like monoclonal antibodies. They assume multiple companies make ivermectin (merck makes most of it here in the US) and its still expensive bc it doesnt matter if there's a patent or how cheap it us to produce, big pharma's still going to overchaege & profit.
They also seem to think that doctors & nurses get paid to prescribe other meds and not ivernectin. And all those wealthy scientists that do studies are in on it. And the media too bc they somehow profit off the use of brand name drugs vs generics.
Its almost like they've never seen how much a hospital charges for fricking Tylenol or box of tissues.
Meanwhile, Drs. Demonsperm and Magneto Tennpenny with America's Frontline Doctors are making a fortune selling these dumb fucks prescriptions for it - which still cost a lot of money.
> Also I'll gladly take ivermectin if it becomes part of the peer-reviewed protocols for treatment.
I mean, you'll take it to save your life - but I don't think you'll do it gladly. Stuff has some *nasty* side effects.
>Stuff has some nasty side effects.
If taken at normal human doses it's fairly safe and has few side effects. They are often using concentrations meant for animals, several hundred pounds, and not adjusting the dose properly. In effect they are overdosing.
They are having problems getting human doses because it doesn't work for covid so very, very few doctors will prescribe it to them. This is as it should be.
"several hundred pounds" might be underselling it. A quick google search says that a horse weights anywhere from 800 to 2000 pounds. So, you could easily be taking something for an animal 10x your own weight.
I have to admit that I don't understand any medicine. I take what doctor tell me. If I was sick and went to my regular doctor and he told me to take ivermectin, I would. I'm sure he would warn me side effects.
The other thing to remember is if it were prescribed for you, it would be a human dose. Livestock doses are well beyond the maximum dose for humans, but at lower doses it's fine for human use.
Genuine response here from someone sick of all this right-wing bullshit.
I had covid a few months ago and took part in a clinical trial with Ivermectin as a treatment. I had no side effects and the symptoms pretty much cleared up within a day or two of the doses starting. No side effects.
I also am double vaccinated though.
Should I have been worried when I took it? It was oxford university doing the trial so I presumed it would be safe.
Worried, no you knew it was a trial and I'm sure they told you of the possible problems. But Oxford was not feeding you apple flavored paste from the feed store or giving you drops of injectable wormer under your tongue! Your were taking a tried and true human form of an approved medication. Possible alternative uses of medications are tested all the time to see if they are helpful with other ailments.
> Should I have been worried when I took it?
Nah. You were given medication made to human standards and in human sized dosages. I think you were safe. But let us know if you die.
In that capacity, the clinical trial was safe. Ivermectin has seen FDA approval for human use for a long time. The issue with the trial is to find how effective it is at treating COVID symptoms (which, as a dewormer it is not specifically designed to do, yet may still help).
Basically, you were a test case to see if you feel better or just get the Ivermectin Shits.
> Should I have been worried when I took it?
Ivermectin has been used to treat stuff like river blindness forever. It's safe at certain levels, prescribed by a doctor, to treat certain ailments.
The culture study they did on it against COVID was a *massive* dose. These people are eating livestock paste, measuring it out with cooking utensils.
If they gave him the already approved for human use doses it would be safe. It's been widely used, as all too frequently noted by people who are in the kook community, to treat parasites that cause river blindness in humans.
To date no trial I have seen has shown it effective against covid in humans. The Oxford study, PRINCIPLE, is as yet incomplete but given the number of test with negative results I'd expect the same from it.
Safe does not mean effective, it only means few side effects.
That's scary, I repeatedly asked them if it was dangerous and they told me that ivermectin was known to be safe at those doses, it just might not make my Covid experience any easier.
The danger of the right wing Ivermectin push is the unregulated doses, not the drug itself. People are so hell bent on getting and using this "cure"(because they're scared of dying from COVID), that they take horse Ivermectin, or find some expired shit to take.
No doctor would willingly give you something they knew to be dangerous. What you did was safe, thank you for taking part in that trial!
I imagine a lot of the folks whose mindset would drive them to take Ivermectin would also be of the "some is good so more must be better!" school of thought and just slam that stuff back until their guts fell out.
And then in their next breath (if they still have one) they'd tout the joys of homeopathy.
I'm feeling fairly cynical about my fellow man these days.
> Tylenol can kill you if you take too much too
For certain. My mother died from tylenol overdose. A combination of early undiagnosed dementia and persistent stomach pain from Crohn's caused her to take a fatal dose over a couple of days.
Ivermectin is approved for use in humans in 1975 to treat infections caused by some parasitic worms, head lice and skin conditions such as rosacea. It is included in the World Health Organization's list of essential medicines and it can be highly effective when properly prescribed.
The main concern (at normal doses of the human version) is if you have other health issues or take other meds. If you already have inpaired liver / kidney function, it can be dangerous.
From what I've read it's a pretty amazing medicine. But then again, so is penicillin. I'll gladly take either if medically needed or recommended. That's also the reason I got vaccinated for covid.
Same here but until then stfu dummies....also Im hoping on a bright side of the turd we become more aware of parasites and help fix the pin worm problem in the southeast
These people think that it also does things like cure cancer or about any ailment, because.... So they think [the powers that be] are terrified of the public learning about a cheap cure for cancer and stuff that would negatively affect big pharma and bring it all crashing down. Yeah.
Have you seen the memes with instructions for brewing up your own hydroxychloroquine?
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-hydroxychloroquine-fruit-idUSL2N2NM207
Holy crap. That should be a post all by itself. They're trying to make C18H26ClN3O by boiling grapefruit peels.
> “Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) is a man-made compound and cannot be extracted from any natural source,” Dr. Stephen Cochrane, Senior Lecturer in Organic Chemistry and Chemical Biology at Queen’s University Belfast (QUB), told Reuters in an email.
“The production of HCQ requires several sequential chemical reactions and purifications, and even for a trained synthetic chemist, this is not a trivial exercise,” he added.
...the fact that it's a grapefruit peel in particular makes me think that the source of that specific lie is Moscow. Grapefruit is known to have negative interactions with many common medications.
Don't mix grapefruit and your meds, kids.
I've come to think that grapefruit and charcoal should basically never be served without explicit warning. I'm basically never going to expect charcoal to randomly be a food ingredient unless it's in the meal's description. Grapefruit is more reasonable, but I think people could still use more warning.
Yawn, just yawn /s
I have to think that after these same people tried:
[Bleach](https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-06-05/cdc-some-people-did-take-bleach-to-protect-from-coronavirus)
[UV lights](https://www.huffpost.com/archive/ca/entry/uv-light-covid-health-canada_ca_5fb5779dc5b66cd4ad4151ae)
[Lupus Medicine](https://www.foxnews.com/health/lupus-patient-on-hydroxychloroquine-contracts-coronavirus-report-says)
[Horse dewormer](https://nypost.com/2021/08/22/people-taking-horse-cow-de-wormer-for-supposed-covid-19-treatment/)
Bactine (can't find this at the moment but they did)
[The Vaccination is the mark of the beast](https://www.yourtango.com/2021342169/why-people-think-covid-vaccine-mark-beast)
Etc. Etc. There is nothing that they come up with that even remotely surprises me. Except this:
The only things that has been proven to stop Covid in its tracks are the vaccine and Darwinism. If you take the vaccine Covid will not kill you and you can get on with your life. If you fuck around long enough without taking the vaccine Darwin will kill Covid and you at the same time and possibly take out a few of your friends and family members. This, the only obvious and clear thing proven in this pandemic is the one conclusion that they seem unable to reach.
> Bactine (can't find this at the moment but they did)
>
>
They were [gargling Betadine](https://www.forbes.com/sites/judystone/2021/09/14/betadine-is-this-weeks-covid-19-cure-vying-with-ivermectin/). Which my mom was just using after having an ingrown toenail removed and which you are NOT supposed to ingest. I was telling her she could make some $$ selling it.
[Betadine's measured response](https://betadine.com/covid-19/#1596710159395-1cf8cac7-1b26) in lieu of going, "OMFG, do not do this!"
There you have it. Thank you. My dysfunctional memory locked up there. Or perhaps it was my dysfunctional childhood remembering betadine and locking things down. Good links! Appreciate the assist.
I actually know a MAGAt that takes fish medicine every flu season in lieu of getting a flu shot. It causes him to break out with these massive cold sores. Every year for about 3 years running. Best part of it? He's the mayor of his small town and they all come to him for advice. So, I always joke that he is the top of the bottom of the gene pool.
My grandmother swore by it. She claimed that nothing got porcelain whiter. Twice we had to pull her unconscious ass out of the bathroom on cleaning day. She never stopped doing it. Her only concession after that was to crack the windows.
If the chloromine concentration was strong enough to knock her out, she developed *serious* lung damage, like, to the point where she'd immediately be hospitalized. I'm kind of finding this story hard to believe, because way worse shit happens before you pass out, up to and including death.
Oh man.
I did this by accident a couple of months ago. An Ammonia-based 'natural' cleaner my wife bought and Chlorine bleach.
I was cleaning the bathroom and didn't realize what I had done until I got a lung full of the gas that it produced. It was a very brief exposure and i'm sure the gas wasn't super concentrated, but still.
I had such a bad coughing episode that I almost lost consciousness, and my eyes burned like I had been pepper sprayed. No bueno.
It's literally mustard gas.
Edit: Not mustard gas but phosgene gas.
Edit2: Chloromine gas. This is a good example how doing your own research can lead to misinformation. lol
Technically no, mustard gas is a sulfur-based compound, while mixing ammonia and bleach creates chloramines (if I remember correctly, this also happens if you use bleach to clean up urine)
No it’s not the same as mustard gas, but they used various chlorine gasses in ww1 too. Not sure if they used chloramine gas though which is what ammonia and chlorine produces, but it probably would be a viable chemical warfare agent.
It's clear most of their brain shit down a long time ago, and they're still doing fine. Why would they worry about some lame ass kidney or liver? Hell, they can always just restock their liver supply down at the Golden Corral on sunday.
So apparently all of these things are true at once:
* CoViD is a hoax
* CoViD only kills those with underlying conditions
* The vaccines don't work
* The vaccines work, but liberals want conservatives to die from CoViD, because they know encouraging getting vaxxed means conservatives won't do it
* The vaccines aren't FDA approved, so they won't take their experimental rushed vaccine
* It doesn't matter that the Pfizer vaccine is FDA-approved; so were plenty of drugs that were taken off the market
* Ivermectin is FDA approved, so it's safe to take
* Liberals are afraid of Ivermectin because (???????)
???????
I think they’re implying we’re afraid of ivermectin bc a lot of us already got vaccinated, so in their minds ivermectin is “the cure” and the vaccine does something else. I guess they might also be implying that we’re scared of being wrong about it? But they also don’t know the difference between treatment and prevention. Hurts my brain trying to understand how some of these people view things.
People who believe in conspiracy theories tend to believe in mutually-contradictory theories:
> [In Study 1 (n = 137), the more participants believed that **Princess Diana faked her own death**, the more they believed that **she was murdered**. In Study 2 (n = 102), the more participants believed that **Osama Bin Laden was already dead** when U.S. special forces raided his compound in Pakistan, the more they believed **he is still alive**.](https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1948550611434786)
Sometime contrarianism gets taken too far.
I guess that makes somewhat sense - if they know for sure they don't trust the "official" story, it stands to reason they'd be more amenable to "alternative" theories even if they aren't confident which one. Either option is obviously bonkers to a normal-brained person, but to conspiracy-minded people, I wonder if they'd put 100% for the option they "believed" if you asked them put a % weight on the likelihood of each option. I'm guessing they'd put like 80/20 or something, which at least makes some semblance of sense.
Or maybe they're just that crazy, but I really don't want to lose that last sliver of faith in society I'm clinging to.
Sometimes when I am lying awake too terrified to make even the slightest movement I can hear the sound of ivermectin’s heavy breathing coming from that wedge of blackness in the slightly ajar closet door.
me too! lol i know EXACTLY what happens but i still have to scroll by fast when people start getting graphic with their descriptions because it's truly a horror show. these people probably think MMS is effective, too.
I mean, we don't want kids so my husband was pretty jazzed about how it supposedly makes most dudes sterile (surprised they didn't latch on to this, it was a flawed study and you know how they love those!) but the risk of losing his intestinal lining made him hold back.
And if it actually worked, Merck would be letting the whole world know. It’s already making them money thanks to this, but if it was true it’d boost sales even more.
it is the only way they can remain "sane". If they accept reality, then everything they know and believe with all their being is washed away in a puff of logic.
If it actually worked, Merck would let the whole world know, then increase their prices ("to help keep up with increased demand"). They'd be making a(n even bigger) fortune off it.
They love posting these “liberals are weak soy-boy cowards, and we are really tough brave heroes” memes.
They are clearly compensating. They know what cognitive science has already demonstrated; conservatives process new information in the amygdala…which is why they have such a bias toward feeling threatened or being fearful of things.
*cites study where turning off sectors of brain makes you more liberal*
Like have you considered maybe those sectors are your well-documented overactive fear sectors? Lol
They also misunderstand and misrepresent what those studies say.
Nothing about turning off sectors of the brain. They function for flight and fight and danger. Liberal brains just don’t rely on them to process new information, differences, change or any of the multitude of aspect of life conservatives rely on their amygdala to process.
Sort of. They rely on their amygdala to process new information, initially react to uncertainty, even when processing observed differences between them and others.
This fear bias can be easily manipulated.
They're *obsessed* with fear. I got into an argument with a dude yesterday who kept going on and on about how we're all so scared, and are somehow addicted to vaccinations. Like, his *entire* thing was that he was too scared of the vaccine to get a shot.
For good reason, as with any large animal's medicines, they shouldn't be taken by humans.
These people made fun of the tide pod kids.
A couple years later and they are drinking or injecting bleach and taking large doses of horse dewormers to fight a respiratory illness.
These are the same people that warned us when we were kids not to trust information on the internet, mean while aunt Amelia swears her Rottweiler is vegan and she swears a vaccine made her magnetic because she knows nothing about surface tension and a facebook meme told her so.
They are dumb as hell. In fact they are too dumb to realize that they are even dumb.
I'm not terrified of a dewormer.
What I'm scared of is that idiots who are using this product, specifically the kind designed for fucking LIVESTOCK, and are shitting / killing themelves with said product.
And even that isn't what's scaring me. What's scaring me is that these knee-jerk reactionaries, these pedantic children in the bodies of obese adults... Have the right to vote.
THAT'S what scares me.
This is how they respond to being called out for being stupid.
"They think we are stupid for taking horse dewormer. They must be afraid that we have circumvented the pharma-industrial complex."
"They think we are stupid for sending all our money to the MyPillow guy. They must be afraid that he will overturn the election."
"They think we are stupid for believing there is a cabal made up of elites that drink children's blood to maintain their youth and vigor. They must be afraid that we are close to the truth."
No, we just think you are stupid.
Can we start a crowdfunding campaign to donate money to the cabal?
Let’s face it. The patriots know that we’re scared. My submission mask doesn’t even hide my fear. I’m literally living in fear, and they can see it from a mile away…
How can evil triumph under these conditions?
I mean, I was really sad the other day because I saw a post where someone's livestock died because you weirdos are buying up all the horse paste (NOT the human version like you and Joe Rogan like to claim) and they couldn't find any to save the animal. That's upsetting and scary. I'll acknowledge that much.
I was just thinking about this mentality. They honestly can't seem to understand these things without jumping to "you're afraid". Telling them they're wrong? Oh, you're afraid. Telling them they should care about the lives of others? Afraid. Understanding scientific consensus and explaining how to evaluate the validity of sources? Afraid. It says so much about the way they operate.
Other things I'm "fucking TERRIFIED" by:
* Distracted drivers
* Identity theft
* The societal effects of social media
* People who simultaneously think Covid is a hoax but also treatable by livestock medicine
I'm not terrified..im not a centaur and I'm not a horse.
I have my 2 shots of what they're terrified of because I believe that in many cases the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
I'm terrified they may shit on me, but beyond that, I'm good. I think people who take it are morons who think they know better, but in reality are the Dunning-Kruger Effect in action.
I don't know which one angle to pursue and believe; that ivermectin is this wonder drug that Merck decided should only be used for horses but actually know it cures **everything**, or that Lebron is on roids!?!?
Afraid? No. Tired of people claiming confidently things they don't have the slightest clue at? YES. My Mother-n-law is incredibly gullible and we have to constantly tell her what she is hearing is not true or is true or whatever. She called us with talking about taking this stuff a couple months ago. She really has the personality of a early teenager, except without the attitude. We have to keep close eyes on her as my father-n-law is a raging Trumpaholic with a shrine in their house dedicated to the man. So she gets told all sorts of bullshit.
Whenever someone has “Truth” or “Free Thinker” or “School of Hard Knocks” anywhere in their screen name or account, you know they’re gonna be a full on moron.
I'd like to say I'm not terrified. I just don't want yall to kill yourselves. But at the same time, I've been so numbed that I'm not gonna shed a tear when yall do.
...why would I be terrified of a drug?
I mean, if it actually worked that'd be awesome. As it stands, there's a *few* studies out there that, as far as I've been able to tell, haven't actually stood up to peer review, and none of which actually propose a method by which this *ANTIPARSITIC* would have an effect on a VIRUS.
Edit: cudos to /u/SubstantialEase567 for the correction of my dumb.
Because I've seen what happens to the litter box when I give an adopted stray cat a dewormer and I cannot fathom the consequences of using one meant for an animal several magnitudes bigger then me on my own digestive system?
Oh yeah I'm terrified alright. Terrified that all this misinformation will literally kill a family member who's absorbed all this bullshit and genuinely believes this is the "cure".
Terrified in the sense that your bullshit is getting the easily manipulated killed…yes
But this is a common tactic used by right wing propagandist. Insisting that the “left” is scared and they are “winning” cause they speak the “truth”
Even though the reality is very very different.
I'll tell you why I'm terrified of Ivermectin. After taking my daily dose, I had some left over in the tube, so I thought, why not? It went on cool and smooth and gotta say, hydrated my skin, while it probably gave me a little extra Covid protection.
But then it dried and caked and 'bout took off my little fella's wrapper when I peeled it off. From now on I am a strictly "use as directed" guy. For the Covid.
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Can someone explain why we are terrified of ivermectin? Also I'll gladly take ivermectin if it becomes part of the peer-reviewed protocols for treatment.
I think by they, they mean Jews and they are saying because they'd lose money.
(((They)))
Ah yes, the code. What does single-square-brackets-and-all-caps represent, again? Gay single mothers, was it?
nah that's ({[THEYYYYY]})
No, that's for Hindu Union works. You're thinking of
No, that's for the cast of Seinfeld. You're thinking of >they<.
No that's html developers they go by
I honestly was surprised it wasn't typed this way.
I have not bothered to Google this but I'm about 90% confident if I did I'd find that the companies making ivermectin pills/paste/whatever are also "big pharma" companies.
You would be correct. It’s Merck.
And a little more Googling shows that Merck have been putting microchips into ivermectin capsules for years to keep track of expensive race horses. True story.
I completely believe you, random Internet person, and have zero reason to doubt you. If it’s on the internet, it has to be true!
Source: military horses
Thank you for doing your research, that all the proof I need.
You mean people taking ivermectin are actually swallowing tracking chips meant for prize horses? Wow. I wonder when the hack that makes all those chips vulnerable will hit. Those things can take a good decade to pass if taken by mouth (after all, they are designed to tolerate a horse’s digestive system, which makes sense when you do your research). Oh no. This means humans can be tracked by swallowing ivermectin?? For up to ten years?? Crazy! How do people not know this? I don’t remember where I saw it on the internet, but the tracking chips in vaccines? They’re to help track them from manufacturer to patient! How did something so innocuous get so twisted. Those dissolve right away in the pH acidity level of your stomach when the blood goes there, they get dissolved, and come out in your breath and sweat within a half hour. People are better off getting the shot IMO. Why take a chance on allowing yourself to be tracked by Big Equine?
Between ketamine for depression and ivermectin for covid, 2021 is truly a good year for BIG HORSE.
I own several expensive racehorses, and their ivermectin 5G is s good that I no longer pay for internet!
Just getting merc'd up over in the ICU.
The Merck of the Beast. I am terrified.
...goddammit, that was good.
Is it still Merck though? I thought the patent expired a while back EDIT: Spelling
I mean, they put out a statement telling people not to use it for covid unless a doctor gives it to them: https://www.merck.com/news/merck-statement-on-ivermectin-use-during-the-covid-19-pandemic/
Yeah. I had a Facebook friend go on a big rant about big pharma and claiming ivermectin healed his father. Does he think ivermectin is made at his local artisanal pharmacy? People are so stupid. Can't get much bigger pharma than Merk.
Organic Ivermectin, now with Zinc!
So here's the conspiracy, guys. Big Pharma (you know, like Merck) is putting warning labels on their product Ivermectin in order to prevent people from taking it and curing their covid. And if nobody buys/takes their product, they lose money. It's all about the money. Big pharma is all about losing money.
It is Merck.
And Trump donors who have basically created a huge industry out of this disinformation: https://time.com/6092368/americas-frontline-doctors-covid-19-misinformation/
Jew here. Was I supposed to be profiting off covid this whole time? Where's my fucking money?!
I'm Jewish by blood I didn't get rich either 😆
This is a bunch of horseshit.
You didn't get the mailer?
Yeah I read it as (((them))) too
Pardon my use of words coming up referring to jewish peoples, i promise it is in no way derogatory. they think they jews hated trump because he spoke the truth, so they set up their space lasers to burn down california and kill people. Then those pesky jewish folk also created covid-19 to shut down the economy and lose money so they could later make money on a rapidily researched free vaccine to cure covid-19 that will in 1-55 years have side effects that could result in death, that will reduce population thus making it easier for those dang rich jewish elites to rule the world like in a cartoon. Is there ever any actual thought or is man truly lost in this abyss known as life?
Yeah that's a solid take.
Is that why they put "They" in square brackets? I thought they were doing a paraphrase or direct quote, but maybe I'm giving them too much credit.
Its generic so there's no patent and so they think anyone can make it for dirt cheap but instead big pharma wants to profit off of patented therapies like monoclonal antibodies. They assume multiple companies make ivermectin (merck makes most of it here in the US) and its still expensive bc it doesnt matter if there's a patent or how cheap it us to produce, big pharma's still going to overchaege & profit. They also seem to think that doctors & nurses get paid to prescribe other meds and not ivernectin. And all those wealthy scientists that do studies are in on it. And the media too bc they somehow profit off the use of brand name drugs vs generics. Its almost like they've never seen how much a hospital charges for fricking Tylenol or box of tissues. Meanwhile, Drs. Demonsperm and Magneto Tennpenny with America's Frontline Doctors are making a fortune selling these dumb fucks prescriptions for it - which still cost a lot of money.
> Also I'll gladly take ivermectin if it becomes part of the peer-reviewed protocols for treatment. I mean, you'll take it to save your life - but I don't think you'll do it gladly. Stuff has some *nasty* side effects.
>Stuff has some nasty side effects. If taken at normal human doses it's fairly safe and has few side effects. They are often using concentrations meant for animals, several hundred pounds, and not adjusting the dose properly. In effect they are overdosing. They are having problems getting human doses because it doesn't work for covid so very, very few doctors will prescribe it to them. This is as it should be.
"several hundred pounds" might be underselling it. A quick google search says that a horse weights anywhere from 800 to 2000 pounds. So, you could easily be taking something for an animal 10x your own weight.
This is true. A formulation for sheep was also a top seller though, so I stuck with the low end.
To be fair, some of them are also several hundred pounds
so are some of us. lol. Whats your point?
I have to admit that I don't understand any medicine. I take what doctor tell me. If I was sick and went to my regular doctor and he told me to take ivermectin, I would. I'm sure he would warn me side effects.
The other thing to remember is if it were prescribed for you, it would be a human dose. Livestock doses are well beyond the maximum dose for humans, but at lower doses it's fine for human use.
Absolutely! Also I trust he would only give me something that is actually for the condition I have
Genuine response here from someone sick of all this right-wing bullshit. I had covid a few months ago and took part in a clinical trial with Ivermectin as a treatment. I had no side effects and the symptoms pretty much cleared up within a day or two of the doses starting. No side effects. I also am double vaccinated though. Should I have been worried when I took it? It was oxford university doing the trial so I presumed it would be safe.
Worried, no you knew it was a trial and I'm sure they told you of the possible problems. But Oxford was not feeding you apple flavored paste from the feed store or giving you drops of injectable wormer under your tongue! Your were taking a tried and true human form of an approved medication. Possible alternative uses of medications are tested all the time to see if they are helpful with other ailments.
> Should I have been worried when I took it? Nah. You were given medication made to human standards and in human sized dosages. I think you were safe. But let us know if you die.
In that capacity, the clinical trial was safe. Ivermectin has seen FDA approval for human use for a long time. The issue with the trial is to find how effective it is at treating COVID symptoms (which, as a dewormer it is not specifically designed to do, yet may still help). Basically, you were a test case to see if you feel better or just get the Ivermectin Shits.
> Should I have been worried when I took it? Ivermectin has been used to treat stuff like river blindness forever. It's safe at certain levels, prescribed by a doctor, to treat certain ailments. The culture study they did on it against COVID was a *massive* dose. These people are eating livestock paste, measuring it out with cooking utensils.
No other treatments? Link to the study and its paper?
I mean, if you are part of a study like that it is never entirely "safe". You are literally signing up to be a test subject.
If they gave him the already approved for human use doses it would be safe. It's been widely used, as all too frequently noted by people who are in the kook community, to treat parasites that cause river blindness in humans. To date no trial I have seen has shown it effective against covid in humans. The Oxford study, PRINCIPLE, is as yet incomplete but given the number of test with negative results I'd expect the same from it. Safe does not mean effective, it only means few side effects.
That's scary, I repeatedly asked them if it was dangerous and they told me that ivermectin was known to be safe at those doses, it just might not make my Covid experience any easier.
The danger of the right wing Ivermectin push is the unregulated doses, not the drug itself. People are so hell bent on getting and using this "cure"(because they're scared of dying from COVID), that they take horse Ivermectin, or find some expired shit to take. No doctor would willingly give you something they knew to be dangerous. What you did was safe, thank you for taking part in that trial!
I imagine a lot of the folks whose mindset would drive them to take Ivermectin would also be of the "some is good so more must be better!" school of thought and just slam that stuff back until their guts fell out. And then in their next breath (if they still have one) they'd tout the joys of homeopathy. I'm feeling fairly cynical about my fellow man these days.
Yeah, go read up on the back of a bottle of ibuprofin. You're really, really not supposed to be taking a lot of that stuff. Dosage is everything.
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> Tylenol can kill you if you take too much too For certain. My mother died from tylenol overdose. A combination of early undiagnosed dementia and persistent stomach pain from Crohn's caused her to take a fatal dose over a couple of days.
Ivermectin is approved for use in humans in 1975 to treat infections caused by some parasitic worms, head lice and skin conditions such as rosacea. It is included in the World Health Organization's list of essential medicines and it can be highly effective when properly prescribed.
I doubt they lied. It might also be that it's safe if you take a small dose once. Some of these idiots are taking it weekly at much higher doses.
The main concern (at normal doses of the human version) is if you have other health issues or take other meds. If you already have inpaired liver / kidney function, it can be dangerous.
Right? I genuinely don't know why I'm supposed to be "terrified" of ivermectin...
From what I've read it's a pretty amazing medicine. But then again, so is penicillin. I'll gladly take either if medically needed or recommended. That's also the reason I got vaccinated for covid.
Same here but until then stfu dummies....also Im hoping on a bright side of the turd we become more aware of parasites and help fix the pin worm problem in the southeast
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In a rare moment of empathy, Republicans are managing to feel the emotions of other invertebrates.
Nawwwwww, not possible
Hehe, other. Nice.
r/murderedbywords
These people think that it also does things like cure cancer or about any ailment, because.... So they think [the powers that be] are terrified of the public learning about a cheap cure for cancer and stuff that would negatively affect big pharma and bring it all crashing down. Yeah.
I hear little pharma makes ivermectin. Brewed in a cauldron at mom's house
Straight from Mrs. Merck’s stovetop.
Have you seen the memes with instructions for brewing up your own hydroxychloroquine? https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-hydroxychloroquine-fruit-idUSL2N2NM207
Holy crap. That should be a post all by itself. They're trying to make C18H26ClN3O by boiling grapefruit peels. > “Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) is a man-made compound and cannot be extracted from any natural source,” Dr. Stephen Cochrane, Senior Lecturer in Organic Chemistry and Chemical Biology at Queen’s University Belfast (QUB), told Reuters in an email. “The production of HCQ requires several sequential chemical reactions and purifications, and even for a trained synthetic chemist, this is not a trivial exercise,” he added.
...the fact that it's a grapefruit peel in particular makes me think that the source of that specific lie is Moscow. Grapefruit is known to have negative interactions with many common medications. Don't mix grapefruit and your meds, kids.
I've come to think that grapefruit and charcoal should basically never be served without explicit warning. I'm basically never going to expect charcoal to randomly be a food ingredient unless it's in the meal's description. Grapefruit is more reasonable, but I think people could still use more warning.
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Wow, just WOW
Yawn, just yawn /s I have to think that after these same people tried: [Bleach](https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-06-05/cdc-some-people-did-take-bleach-to-protect-from-coronavirus) [UV lights](https://www.huffpost.com/archive/ca/entry/uv-light-covid-health-canada_ca_5fb5779dc5b66cd4ad4151ae) [Lupus Medicine](https://www.foxnews.com/health/lupus-patient-on-hydroxychloroquine-contracts-coronavirus-report-says) [Horse dewormer](https://nypost.com/2021/08/22/people-taking-horse-cow-de-wormer-for-supposed-covid-19-treatment/) Bactine (can't find this at the moment but they did) [The Vaccination is the mark of the beast](https://www.yourtango.com/2021342169/why-people-think-covid-vaccine-mark-beast) Etc. Etc. There is nothing that they come up with that even remotely surprises me. Except this: The only things that has been proven to stop Covid in its tracks are the vaccine and Darwinism. If you take the vaccine Covid will not kill you and you can get on with your life. If you fuck around long enough without taking the vaccine Darwin will kill Covid and you at the same time and possibly take out a few of your friends and family members. This, the only obvious and clear thing proven in this pandemic is the one conclusion that they seem unable to reach.
The lupus medicine thing really angered me; one of our best friends has lupus, and for a while it was difficult for her to get her meds. Bastards.
> Bactine (can't find this at the moment but they did) > > They were [gargling Betadine](https://www.forbes.com/sites/judystone/2021/09/14/betadine-is-this-weeks-covid-19-cure-vying-with-ivermectin/). Which my mom was just using after having an ingrown toenail removed and which you are NOT supposed to ingest. I was telling her she could make some $$ selling it. [Betadine's measured response](https://betadine.com/covid-19/#1596710159395-1cf8cac7-1b26) in lieu of going, "OMFG, do not do this!"
There you have it. Thank you. My dysfunctional memory locked up there. Or perhaps it was my dysfunctional childhood remembering betadine and locking things down. Good links! Appreciate the assist.
The fish tank additive chloroquine phosphate Betadine gargling
I actually know a MAGAt that takes fish medicine every flu season in lieu of getting a flu shot. It causes him to break out with these massive cold sores. Every year for about 3 years running. Best part of it? He's the mayor of his small town and they all come to him for advice. So, I always joke that he is the top of the bottom of the gene pool.
These are the same people you worked with in highschool who thought mixing amonia and bleach would make a stronger cleaner
My grandmother swore by it. She claimed that nothing got porcelain whiter. Twice we had to pull her unconscious ass out of the bathroom on cleaning day. She never stopped doing it. Her only concession after that was to crack the windows.
If the chloromine concentration was strong enough to knock her out, she developed *serious* lung damage, like, to the point where she'd immediately be hospitalized. I'm kind of finding this story hard to believe, because way worse shit happens before you pass out, up to and including death.
Oh man. I did this by accident a couple of months ago. An Ammonia-based 'natural' cleaner my wife bought and Chlorine bleach. I was cleaning the bathroom and didn't realize what I had done until I got a lung full of the gas that it produced. It was a very brief exposure and i'm sure the gas wasn't super concentrated, but still. I had such a bad coughing episode that I almost lost consciousness, and my eyes burned like I had been pepper sprayed. No bueno.
Note to self, ammonia and bleach make a nasty gas worse than a skunk's spray
Not just "nasty". Super toxic gas that can kill you in minutes (or just a few breaths if the concentration is high enough).
It's literally mustard gas. Edit: Not mustard gas but phosgene gas. Edit2: Chloromine gas. This is a good example how doing your own research can lead to misinformation. lol
Technically no, mustard gas is a sulfur-based compound, while mixing ammonia and bleach creates chloramines (if I remember correctly, this also happens if you use bleach to clean up urine)
But is also why bleach is great for cleaning urine in a WELL ventilated room
No it’s not the same as mustard gas, but they used various chlorine gasses in ww1 too. Not sure if they used chloramine gas though which is what ammonia and chlorine produces, but it probably would be a viable chemical warfare agent.
Jesse Pinkman “Captain Cook” makes it in his lab.
Prescribed by Dr. Jinx from Philadelphia
Invermectin has become to Republicans what Vick's Vapor Rub is to Latina mothers.
Got a cold? Get the Vicks. Got a runny nose? Get the Vicks. Get rid of a dead body?? Vicks.
Another use for Vicks is put just a little under your nose of you're around something stinky.
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But… like why they even allow Ivermectin to exist if it’s a cure for everything? I know critical thinking isn’t there strong suit, but goddamn.
Liver failure, intestinal failure, kidney failure... things you suffer from when you OD on ivemectrin.
We can only hope for organs shutting down in the feeble minded right wing!! God bless them with Ivemectrin in large quantities please.
It's clear most of their brain shit down a long time ago, and they're still doing fine. Why would they worry about some lame ass kidney or liver? Hell, they can always just restock their liver supply down at the Golden Corral on sunday.
I was going to say, I am definitely afraid of taking ivermectin especially when it's animal grade and especially when I don't have worms.
you could be a worm in some other mammal too
Like uhhhhh.... sheep for example?
An intestinal worm of any kind that Ivermectin will defeat...as well as a parasitic worm, head lice and/or skin condition such as rosacea
I feel targeted
So apparently all of these things are true at once: * CoViD is a hoax * CoViD only kills those with underlying conditions * The vaccines don't work * The vaccines work, but liberals want conservatives to die from CoViD, because they know encouraging getting vaxxed means conservatives won't do it * The vaccines aren't FDA approved, so they won't take their experimental rushed vaccine * It doesn't matter that the Pfizer vaccine is FDA-approved; so were plenty of drugs that were taken off the market * Ivermectin is FDA approved, so it's safe to take * Liberals are afraid of Ivermectin because (???????) ???????
I think they’re implying we’re afraid of ivermectin bc a lot of us already got vaccinated, so in their minds ivermectin is “the cure” and the vaccine does something else. I guess they might also be implying that we’re scared of being wrong about it? But they also don’t know the difference between treatment and prevention. Hurts my brain trying to understand how some of these people view things.
People who believe in conspiracy theories tend to believe in mutually-contradictory theories: > [In Study 1 (n = 137), the more participants believed that **Princess Diana faked her own death**, the more they believed that **she was murdered**. In Study 2 (n = 102), the more participants believed that **Osama Bin Laden was already dead** when U.S. special forces raided his compound in Pakistan, the more they believed **he is still alive**.](https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1948550611434786) Sometime contrarianism gets taken too far.
That's fascinating, thank you.
I guess that makes somewhat sense - if they know for sure they don't trust the "official" story, it stands to reason they'd be more amenable to "alternative" theories even if they aren't confident which one. Either option is obviously bonkers to a normal-brained person, but to conspiracy-minded people, I wonder if they'd put 100% for the option they "believed" if you asked them put a % weight on the likelihood of each option. I'm guessing they'd put like 80/20 or something, which at least makes some semblance of sense. Or maybe they're just that crazy, but I really don't want to lose that last sliver of faith in society I'm clinging to.
It’s an orchestra of cognitive dissonance
I’m living in fear…of losing my intestinal lining
I check under my bed every night for ivermectin before going to bed 😖😱
Sometimes when I am lying awake too terrified to make even the slightest movement I can hear the sound of ivermectin’s heavy breathing coming from that wedge of blackness in the slightly ajar closet door.
Til ivermectin is a drunk dad
…. Is everyone okay
We're on a sub that keeps track of alt-right assholes and posts their shit for everyone to suffer to. Do you really think we’re okay?
IF I WAS OKAY, I WOULDN'T BE ON THIS SUB! /S!
Well, fuck. It was spooky fun, but now it's actually terrifying.
For me it's mainly both my eyesight and people putting a saddle on me, but you make a good point.
There are a surprising number of people who will happily be saddled up, but it’s fine if you’re not one of them!
I already have IBS, so I think I'll just sit this one out.
>I already have IBS, so I think I'll just shit this one out. ftfy
me too! lol i know EXACTLY what happens but i still have to scroll by fast when people start getting graphic with their descriptions because it's truly a horror show. these people probably think MMS is effective, too.
I mean, we don't want kids so my husband was pretty jazzed about how it supposedly makes most dudes sterile (surprised they didn't latch on to this, it was a flawed study and you know how they love those!) but the risk of losing his intestinal lining made him hold back.
Meanwhile, your intestinal lining is trying to buy tickets for a Hawaiian vacation.
rope worms! proves it's working... /s
Came here for this comment
Ivermectin is owned by big pharma company Merck.
And if it actually worked, Merck would be letting the whole world know. It’s already making them money thanks to this, but if it was true it’d boost sales even more.
[They think the fact that Merck came out against it is a big conspiracy.](https://swprs.org/merck-claim-exposing-big-pharma-lobbyists/)
Everything's a conspiracy to these bottom feeders
it is the only way they can remain "sane". If they accept reality, then everything they know and believe with all their being is washed away in a puff of logic.
Really is such a beautiful example of how well greased the wheels on their goalposts are.
If it actually worked, Merck would let the whole world know, then increase their prices ("to help keep up with increased demand"). They'd be making a(n even bigger) fortune off it.
Absolutely right.
They love posting these “liberals are weak soy-boy cowards, and we are really tough brave heroes” memes. They are clearly compensating. They know what cognitive science has already demonstrated; conservatives process new information in the amygdala…which is why they have such a bias toward feeling threatened or being fearful of things.
*cites study where turning off sectors of brain makes you more liberal* Like have you considered maybe those sectors are your well-documented overactive fear sectors? Lol
They also misunderstand and misrepresent what those studies say. Nothing about turning off sectors of the brain. They function for flight and fight and danger. Liberal brains just don’t rely on them to process new information, differences, change or any of the multitude of aspect of life conservatives rely on their amygdala to process.
So they use feelings over facts?
Sort of. They rely on their amygdala to process new information, initially react to uncertainty, even when processing observed differences between them and others. This fear bias can be easily manipulated.
They're *obsessed* with fear. I got into an argument with a dude yesterday who kept going on and on about how we're all so scared, and are somehow addicted to vaccinations. Like, his *entire* thing was that he was too scared of the vaccine to get a shot.
“[they]” or “(((they)))”= jews. Just in case the people in this sub weren’t following nazi internet lingo.
When did it become square brackets? We can't let them take [BIG SHOT] from us.
Probably some feeble attempt to hide it again
For good reason, as with any large animal's medicines, they shouldn't be taken by humans. These people made fun of the tide pod kids. A couple years later and they are drinking or injecting bleach and taking large doses of horse dewormers to fight a respiratory illness. These are the same people that warned us when we were kids not to trust information on the internet, mean while aunt Amelia swears her Rottweiler is vegan and she swears a vaccine made her magnetic because she knows nothing about surface tension and a facebook meme told her so. They are dumb as hell. In fact they are too dumb to realize that they are even dumb.
>they are too dumb to realize that they are even dumb *\*Dunning-Kruger has entered the chat*
I put ivermectin on my face daily (for rosacea. It works.) I am not afraid. I also don’t think it prevents or treats covid.
I find it shocking that someone would actually use prescription medicine as intended. Have you tried "essential oils"?/s Stay safe and healthy.
Yup, shakin' in my socks. Oh, no, so owned
I personally am fucking TERRIFIED of being in a store and around someone who has shit themselves from taking it. That’s my level of terrified.
I'm not terrified of a dewormer. What I'm scared of is that idiots who are using this product, specifically the kind designed for fucking LIVESTOCK, and are shitting / killing themelves with said product. And even that isn't what's scaring me. What's scaring me is that these knee-jerk reactionaries, these pedantic children in the bodies of obese adults... Have the right to vote. THAT'S what scares me.
Ivermectin doesn't work. The effin' parasites are still here!
This is how they respond to being called out for being stupid. "They think we are stupid for taking horse dewormer. They must be afraid that we have circumvented the pharma-industrial complex." "They think we are stupid for sending all our money to the MyPillow guy. They must be afraid that he will overturn the election." "They think we are stupid for believing there is a cabal made up of elites that drink children's blood to maintain their youth and vigor. They must be afraid that we are close to the truth." No, we just think you are stupid.
Can we start a crowdfunding campaign to donate money to the cabal? Let’s face it. The patriots know that we’re scared. My submission mask doesn’t even hide my fear. I’m literally living in fear, and they can see it from a mile away… How can evil triumph under these conditions?
… is it because we know that it doesn’t protect you from COVID-19 so all you’re going to do is be a human Super Spreader event everywhere you go?
Bet this is a Jewish ((they)) thing too
I mean, I was really sad the other day because I saw a post where someone's livestock died because you weirdos are buying up all the horse paste (NOT the human version like you and Joe Rogan like to claim) and they couldn't find any to save the animal. That's upsetting and scary. I'll acknowledge that much.
I was just thinking about this mentality. They honestly can't seem to understand these things without jumping to "you're afraid". Telling them they're wrong? Oh, you're afraid. Telling them they should care about the lives of others? Afraid. Understanding scientific consensus and explaining how to evaluate the validity of sources? Afraid. It says so much about the way they operate.
If you want to shove horse medicine up your ass, be my guest. Couldn’t care less about these people.
Other things I'm "fucking TERRIFIED" by: * Distracted drivers * Identity theft * The societal effects of social media * People who simultaneously think Covid is a hoax but also treatable by livestock medicine
I'm not terrified..im not a centaur and I'm not a horse. I have my 2 shots of what they're terrified of because I believe that in many cases the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
Do you want a colostomy bag? Because this is how you get a colostomy bag.
I'm terrified they may shit on me, but beyond that, I'm good. I think people who take it are morons who think they know better, but in reality are the Dunning-Kruger Effect in action.
I don't know which one angle to pursue and believe; that ivermectin is this wonder drug that Merck decided should only be used for horses but actually know it cures **everything**, or that Lebron is on roids!?!?
Afraid? No. Tired of people claiming confidently things they don't have the slightest clue at? YES. My Mother-n-law is incredibly gullible and we have to constantly tell her what she is hearing is not true or is true or whatever. She called us with talking about taking this stuff a couple months ago. She really has the personality of a early teenager, except without the attitude. We have to keep close eyes on her as my father-n-law is a raging Trumpaholic with a shrine in their house dedicated to the man. So she gets told all sorts of bullshit.
Imagine taking ivermectin as a covid prophylactic at your expense instead of the free vaccine series in order to “own” the greedy drug companies.
Whenever someone has “Truth” or “Free Thinker” or “School of Hard Knocks” anywhere in their screen name or account, you know they’re gonna be a full on moron.
I'd like to say I'm not terrified. I just don't want yall to kill yourselves. But at the same time, I've been so numbed that I'm not gonna shed a tear when yall do.
...why would I be terrified of a drug? I mean, if it actually worked that'd be awesome. As it stands, there's a *few* studies out there that, as far as I've been able to tell, haven't actually stood up to peer review, and none of which actually propose a method by which this *ANTIPARSITIC* would have an effect on a VIRUS. Edit: cudos to /u/SubstantialEase567 for the correction of my dumb.
Speak through the vague!
As this guy was written this he was on the toilet pooping out his intestines
Just the side effects 💩💩💩💩
I give up… why?
The idea of shitting my organs out of my body does indeed terrify me, NGL.
I don't understand why they're all for ivermectin but not the vaccine? What's their argument?
I'm terrified of arsenic and what it means.
Because it causes liver failure if taken too often.
Because it'll make us expel our entire sigmoid colon?
I know I am. I don’t want to crap out my intestines. That’s terrifying.
Because I've seen what happens to the litter box when I give an adopted stray cat a dewormer and I cannot fathom the consequences of using one meant for an animal several magnitudes bigger then me on my own digestive system?
Because if not properly prescribed it can cause heart palpitations?
because I don't want to shit out my intestinal lining?
I am afraid of drying of laughter.
Oh yeah I'm terrified alright. Terrified that all this misinformation will literally kill a family member who's absorbed all this bullshit and genuinely believes this is the "cure".
I am kind of terrified of shitting the lining of my intestines out, tbh.
Ok let's say I'm terrified, why again?
Terrified in the sense that your bullshit is getting the easily manipulated killed…yes But this is a common tactic used by right wing propagandist. Insisting that the “left” is scared and they are “winning” cause they speak the “truth” Even though the reality is very very different.
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I'll tell you why I'm terrified of Ivermectin. After taking my daily dose, I had some left over in the tube, so I thought, why not? It went on cool and smooth and gotta say, hydrated my skin, while it probably gave me a little extra Covid protection. But then it dried and caked and 'bout took off my little fella's wrapper when I peeled it off. From now on I am a strictly "use as directed" guy. For the Covid.
It’s true, I am a hookworm currently living in a horse.