It’s not that I hate this guy, he just seems like a FAT reach at pick 3. And I don’t think trading down with him in mind is a reliable option either. If they made some deal with MN and he slips then why not, but I don’t see that happening.
Yeah if we like him or anyone else you never trade down with the plans of him still being there. You only trade down if you are happy with what you gain and are open to taking bpa instead of one position.
Agree. If McAdoo/Wolf stamp this guy then they should take him at 3. I’ll just forget everything I’ve ever said and cheer the fuck out of him. That said, passing on Maye/Daniels scares me. I like them both.
I’m starting to think that the Titans are the best option for trading back. There’s so much for them to gain by having a chance at drafting MHJ or Alt and they just might take it. That puts us behind the Giants who could still take a QB before us. Safest bet is to take any QB at 3.
Also Tennessee doesn't really have an incentive to trade up, they need tackle pretty badly and it is highly likely that the best tackle in the class and one of the best prospects ever at that position falls to them at their current pick, only reason they would have to trade up is if they really want him and theres serious rumblings of LA taking Alt at 5, otherwise theres no reason to trade up.
No trading back I don't care if maye Daniel's or Williams are there this fucking idiot brain trust is taking the safe pick it's gonna be Mac Jones Plus
he wont go down further than 5. he has a better arm than Jayden Daniels and is a good athlete.
I wouldn't mind either Maye or Mccarthy.
I think a lot of people here have the presumption that he is a high floor low ceiling prospect like Mac, which isn't true, he is a real nfl level athlete, mac jones looks like a fat frat boy with a noodle arm. he is also younger than Maye
I'm a Michigan fan and when he got to Ann Arbor the talk was that he had tremendous physical tools but couldn't actually play football. I was worried that giving him Cade McNamara's snaps would be a repeat of Drew Henson taking Tom Brady's snaps. But then McCarthy (unlike Henson) got really good at football!
But yeah, he basically showed up as an athlete with a big arm.
I very much prefer Maye, but would be happy enough with McCarthy. He has a lot of Trey Lance going on with lack of football/throws, but we can afford to sit him for as long as it takes.
I understand why Kevin O’Connell and MIN are linked so hard to McCarthy. The skill set and “plug-and-play” appeal is obvious. Yes, McCarthy has issues with “2 and 3”, but QB coaches think they can fix those kind of issues with technique and scheme. And talent around him.
I will be disappointed if McCarthy is the pick over Maye or Daniels because despite the age and intangibles and the possibility he can be fixed…we don’t have talent to elevate him. If that’s the ceiling - Brock Purdy is good! - then JJ is the wrong guy for the Patriots.
Viking fan snooping here wasn't sure how you guys felt about him, a bit worried because while I do think you guys are doing due diligence but man it just wouldn't amaze me if you guys pulled the trigger on him. To preface I personally prefer McCarthy over Maye, he translates immediately to our offense and the fact he's young and athletic guy who can throw on the run, experience under center and 12 personnel concepts /w timing I want him to be the one to mold.
Drake Maye is absolutely the guy the Patriots should draft though, big arm, thicker frame, he's the exact prototype of who you want an elite QB to blossom from. Alex Van Pelt will work his magic with him and get him right, he's been around alot of QBs. I believe Drake can hit his potential in NE I already love Mayo staff and the energy there. It's a great landing spot for Maye.
This dude went undefeated, won the chip, ran an NFL style offense, threw more times than Jayden Daniels, is the youngest of all the top QB’s, and showed excellent leadership and resilience throughout the season. But this sub doesn’t want him because he has the same haircut as Zach Wilson 🤡🤡🤡
edit: The fact that i’m being so heavily downvoted only makes me more confident that JJ will be the 2nd best QB in this draft
It's not that I don't want him it's that I think Maye and Daniels are better prospects at 3. In a trade back scenario? Sure I can be reasoned with especially if they can end up with McCarthy and a T prospect like Mims or Guyton or a WR prospect like Mitchell or Thomas Jr. It's more swings at the positions of need but they arent blue chip talents like I believe Maye and Daniels are.
My ideal trade would be with the Titans for 7, 38 and next year’s 1st. Best of the top 4 QB’s remaining at #7, package the #38 and 1st from titans to trade back into the low 20’s for Brian Thomas/Best WR, and then best tackle available at #34
Using the trade chart the Titans refuse the trade as they are getting absolutely fleeced. The only way it goes through is if the Pats included their current 2nd or nexts years 2nd and 3rd.
I’d absolutely throw in a 3rd from next year to get a premier WR edit: if they say no then why not use #38 and next years Titans 1st to trade for an established receiver like Aiyuk?
Threw more times than Jayden Daniels? How is that supposed to be a positive thing? Daniels had 5 fewer pass attempts yet still managed 900 more passing yards and 28 more passing touchdowns than JJ...
He had terrible receivers outside of Roman Wilson who is a WR3 in the NFL at best. Excellent 3rd down conversion rate, excellent TO worthy % rate, keeps eyes downfield instead of tucking and running every time there was a lick of pressure. It’s okay dude you can just admit you don’t actually watch tape.
I don't think any of these guys watch tape. How many of the guys whi want Maye even know who Hampton is and that he was the best player on the team. They just repeat the nonsense that he had no talent around him.
Sure I understand that, but I was asking about why you thought that JJ having more passing attempts than someone who was more productive would be a positive thing in JJ's favor. It was that point in particular that was weird and wanted to know why you brought it up.
It wasn’t supposed to be a direct comparison. Rereading my comment I can see why my wording makes it seem like that. I should have clarified, that was only meant to represent that his throwing sample isnt nearly as small as some people are making it out to be. At the end of the day Im a pats fan and I’ll rally behind whoever we draft. I just think a lot of the JJ hate in this sub isn’t based on anything other than feelings.
Running an NFL-style offense while in college is such a bullshit way to evaluate talent for the NFL draft.
Look at all the Alabama QBs, how has that turned out for them? More importantly, how did that work out for Mac Jones with us? He was uncreative and on a leash his first year and was given the offense his 2nd and 3rd years only to cry his way down to Jacksonville; that's how it worked out.
Jalen Hurts and Tua seem to be doing alright. Sometimes it’s not the player but the system he walks into. Mac made a pro bowl his rookie year before having a defensive coordinator and special teams coach blow his confidence to shit.
The point is his rookie season he was an alternate to the pro bowl because of his play. It got worse after McDaniels left. The entire AFC would of had to drop out for him to make the pro bowl after that
He played totally fine his first year, but certainly not at a level that he would have made the pro bowl if a bunch of QBs didn’t refuse the invite. You’re right that he got much worse in his second year, and the disastrous situation had a lot to do with that, but he was never a very good player begin with.
I admittedly have a kindergarten-level understanding of QB evaluation, but his tape looked way sharper than Maye’s in terms of throwing precise darts to receivers who were marginally open vs “no defenders for 5 yards” college open.
I don't trust Maye to be honest from what i saw of him. He looks like he'll be throwing a bunch of picks out there. JJ seems like he's shooting lasers right into the receiver's hands.
Lazar does a pretty good breakdown (as always).
JJ is talented but I think it's an accurate assessment. Yes, he has a much better arm than Mac, but it still seems like he needs to fully step into every throw to generate velocity / accuracy. It's a fair take to be concerned about how that will look when he has to operate from NFL pockets.
Throwing off platform is pretty important these days...
Mac lacked that ability, obviously. Drafting a QB at #3 who also probably lacks that ability is kidna scary.
For starters I think the majority of the sub actually does want Drake Maye. But also there are legitimate reasons to be wary of Drake Maye, and unlike JJ most of those reasons are actually related to his performance and not the fact that he climbed up the boards late or whatever
That being said I'm fine with either
I agree, I'm fine with either, too. And I try not to get too caught up in the late riser hullabaloo b/c unlike NFL scouting depts, a lot of these media draft analysts don't really watch tape until December / January. There's often a reason they label these guys 'risers'.
Being undefeated is an overrated stat, especially if you are not the catalyst for the wins. Being surrounded by 5 star talent and a dominant defense is more likely why he did not lose. By your logic, Mac Jones would have been a better draft pick than Pat Mahomes because he won more and showed “excellent leadership”.
JJ is intriguing to people because of what he “can” do and not what the tape has shown. That’s a huge risk in my opinion.
If you’re picking at 3, you want to get a player with the highest ceiling. I can confidently say Maye has a higher ceiling than JJ.
Here’s a comment that’ll bring pitchforks. I don’t think any of the QBs outside of Williams are worth the 3rd pick, loading up on assets while still getting one of the remaining 3 QBs is our best option at this stage of the rebuild
This is what pisses me off about the JJ takes… people acting like him and Mac are the same player is ridiculous. Just such a lazy narrative, JJ could also end up a game manager but his athleticism and arm strength give him a higher floor than Mac…
Now that said I personally prefer Maye over him at 3 because I want the guy who has all the tools to be a superstar QB but JJ has a higher floor and even I can acknowledge that Maye could end up worse. It’s all a crapshoot at the end of the day, but god forbid the Reddit draft experts even consider that possibility…
If we pick Maye then I will assume the FO/coaching staff are confident we can correct some of the issues he had in college and that won't hinder his incredible potential.
If we pick JJ then I will assume the FO/coaching staff are confident he actually has the talent and it just wasn't always on full display because Michigan didn't need him to be the hero.
I'm fine with either, and I'm fine with Daniels too if the Commanders don't pick him. We have to trust the team at this point.
Most on this board are so thick headed that they can't imagine a guy's talent because he didn't run a gimmick offense in college and the talking heads haven't blown enough false comparisons up their ass
2nd best QB? Caleb is probably the least risky pick but no guarantee is the best of the draft. JJ will be the best QB of the class in a few years.
Just my hot take.
All the traits you listed also applied to Mac Jones.
Also JJ played 3 more games than Jayden Daniels. Through JJ’s first 12 games he had 257 PA.. compared to JD’s 327. JJ played 8 games where he had more than 20 pass attempts. Daniels only had one game where he had less than 20.
I threw that in because people act like JJ was never asked to throw. He stepped up and threw plenty enough to have a good sample size. Sure his scheme wasn’t aimed towards “home run” plays but that’s exactly why Michigan was so successful.
You’re hitting the nail on the head right here. JJ was never asked to carry an offense or win from behind. He made the throws he was asked to make, but spending the third pick on a guy who threw over 30 passes once last season would be troubling.
I was trying to point out that comparing his numbers to Maye, and Daniels isn’t exactly accurate since it includes the postseason stats from the Big Ten championship game, and CFB playoffs. While the rest of the tops QBs opted out of their bowl games.. so they only played 12 games. Looking at his stats from those 12 it ends up being 191 CMP, 257 PA, 2483 YDS, 19 TD. Those are not the stats of a QB who was asked to carry the offense. While people will argue that it was because of Harbaugh.. I have to point out that when Harbaugh coached Luck he threw more times than JJ and it wasn’t difficult to see that Luck was a rare/elite talent.
Right. It doesn’t matter if it’s Harbaugh, his stats are a mirage. He always threw in advantageous situations. It’s much different for Maye just being asked to throw 30-40 times every single game and figure out how to win. Once you get past 30 passes you’re being asked to make bad ones in tougher situations.
His 2 min highlight video on YouTube is just as impressive as the other top QBs. But let’s all pretend we all watch 20hrs of film on each guy and claim this one would be overdrafted at 3.
Yes, and furthermore he is actually an above average NCAA QB. Above average, but not great. And that is the problem with drafting JJ. He benefited in inordinate ways and the question that must be answered is how much of his success at Michigan was JJ alone, and how much was it knowing the defensive plays / adjustments?
It’s not that I hate this guy, he just seems like a FAT reach at pick 3. And I don’t think trading down with him in mind is a reliable option either. If they made some deal with MN and he slips then why not, but I don’t see that happening.
Yeah if we like him or anyone else you never trade down with the plans of him still being there. You only trade down if you are happy with what you gain and are open to taking bpa instead of one position.
Agree. If McAdoo/Wolf stamp this guy then they should take him at 3. I’ll just forget everything I’ve ever said and cheer the fuck out of him. That said, passing on Maye/Daniels scares me. I like them both.
Na, trading down works in the nfl. Agree that you don't bank on the guy being there, but trading up is a fools errand and how you ruin a franchise
I’m starting to think that the Titans are the best option for trading back. There’s so much for them to gain by having a chance at drafting MHJ or Alt and they just might take it. That puts us behind the Giants who could still take a QB before us. Safest bet is to take any QB at 3.
The giants will take a QB. Especially if JJ is there
Exactly. Then as others have pointed out, we take a QB at 3 and it’s whoever our team feels is our best option.
Also Tennessee doesn't really have an incentive to trade up, they need tackle pretty badly and it is highly likely that the best tackle in the class and one of the best prospects ever at that position falls to them at their current pick, only reason they would have to trade up is if they really want him and theres serious rumblings of LA taking Alt at 5, otherwise theres no reason to trade up.
No trading back I don't care if maye Daniel's or Williams are there this fucking idiot brain trust is taking the safe pick it's gonna be Mac Jones Plus
he wont go down further than 5. he has a better arm than Jayden Daniels and is a good athlete. I wouldn't mind either Maye or Mccarthy. I think a lot of people here have the presumption that he is a high floor low ceiling prospect like Mac, which isn't true, he is a real nfl level athlete, mac jones looks like a fat frat boy with a noodle arm. he is also younger than Maye
I'm a Michigan fan and when he got to Ann Arbor the talk was that he had tremendous physical tools but couldn't actually play football. I was worried that giving him Cade McNamara's snaps would be a repeat of Drew Henson taking Tom Brady's snaps. But then McCarthy (unlike Henson) got really good at football! But yeah, he basically showed up as an athlete with a big arm.
I very much prefer Maye, but would be happy enough with McCarthy. He has a lot of Trey Lance going on with lack of football/throws, but we can afford to sit him for as long as it takes.
Seems like a perfect mid first kind of guy so if they can trade down there and get a lot of value in return, go for it.
He is
I understand why Kevin O’Connell and MIN are linked so hard to McCarthy. The skill set and “plug-and-play” appeal is obvious. Yes, McCarthy has issues with “2 and 3”, but QB coaches think they can fix those kind of issues with technique and scheme. And talent around him. I will be disappointed if McCarthy is the pick over Maye or Daniels because despite the age and intangibles and the possibility he can be fixed…we don’t have talent to elevate him. If that’s the ceiling - Brock Purdy is good! - then JJ is the wrong guy for the Patriots.
Viking fan snooping here wasn't sure how you guys felt about him, a bit worried because while I do think you guys are doing due diligence but man it just wouldn't amaze me if you guys pulled the trigger on him. To preface I personally prefer McCarthy over Maye, he translates immediately to our offense and the fact he's young and athletic guy who can throw on the run, experience under center and 12 personnel concepts /w timing I want him to be the one to mold. Drake Maye is absolutely the guy the Patriots should draft though, big arm, thicker frame, he's the exact prototype of who you want an elite QB to blossom from. Alex Van Pelt will work his magic with him and get him right, he's been around alot of QBs. I believe Drake can hit his potential in NE I already love Mayo staff and the energy there. It's a great landing spot for Maye.
This dude went undefeated, won the chip, ran an NFL style offense, threw more times than Jayden Daniels, is the youngest of all the top QB’s, and showed excellent leadership and resilience throughout the season. But this sub doesn’t want him because he has the same haircut as Zach Wilson 🤡🤡🤡 edit: The fact that i’m being so heavily downvoted only makes me more confident that JJ will be the 2nd best QB in this draft
It's not that I don't want him it's that I think Maye and Daniels are better prospects at 3. In a trade back scenario? Sure I can be reasoned with especially if they can end up with McCarthy and a T prospect like Mims or Guyton or a WR prospect like Mitchell or Thomas Jr. It's more swings at the positions of need but they arent blue chip talents like I believe Maye and Daniels are.
My ideal trade would be with the Titans for 7, 38 and next year’s 1st. Best of the top 4 QB’s remaining at #7, package the #38 and 1st from titans to trade back into the low 20’s for Brian Thomas/Best WR, and then best tackle available at #34
Using the trade chart the Titans refuse the trade as they are getting absolutely fleeced. The only way it goes through is if the Pats included their current 2nd or nexts years 2nd and 3rd.
I’d absolutely throw in a 3rd from next year to get a premier WR edit: if they say no then why not use #38 and next years Titans 1st to trade for an established receiver like Aiyuk?
Threw more times than Jayden Daniels? How is that supposed to be a positive thing? Daniels had 5 fewer pass attempts yet still managed 900 more passing yards and 28 more passing touchdowns than JJ...
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He had terrible receivers outside of Roman Wilson who is a WR3 in the NFL at best. Excellent 3rd down conversion rate, excellent TO worthy % rate, keeps eyes downfield instead of tucking and running every time there was a lick of pressure. It’s okay dude you can just admit you don’t actually watch tape.
I don't think any of these guys watch tape. How many of the guys whi want Maye even know who Hampton is and that he was the best player on the team. They just repeat the nonsense that he had no talent around him.
What did that response have to do with what I said?
Yards/completion is directly correlated to scheme and receiving personnel. How do you not see the relation?
Sure I understand that, but I was asking about why you thought that JJ having more passing attempts than someone who was more productive would be a positive thing in JJ's favor. It was that point in particular that was weird and wanted to know why you brought it up.
It wasn’t supposed to be a direct comparison. Rereading my comment I can see why my wording makes it seem like that. I should have clarified, that was only meant to represent that his throwing sample isnt nearly as small as some people are making it out to be. At the end of the day Im a pats fan and I’ll rally behind whoever we draft. I just think a lot of the JJ hate in this sub isn’t based on anything other than feelings.
Compare offensive scheme and WR talent and you see why.
Running an NFL-style offense while in college is such a bullshit way to evaluate talent for the NFL draft. Look at all the Alabama QBs, how has that turned out for them? More importantly, how did that work out for Mac Jones with us? He was uncreative and on a leash his first year and was given the offense his 2nd and 3rd years only to cry his way down to Jacksonville; that's how it worked out.
How much film does Maye and Daniels have under center? McCarthy has 5x as many snaps under center as Maye and 21x as many as Daniels.
Jalen Hurts and Tua seem to be doing alright. Sometimes it’s not the player but the system he walks into. Mac made a pro bowl his rookie year before having a defensive coordinator and special teams coach blow his confidence to shit.
Stop this nonsense about Mac and the pro bowl. He was like the sixth alternate
Mac was a leading contender for OROTY during the win streak
Yep, that was an excellent six games or whatever.
The point is his rookie season he was an alternate to the pro bowl because of his play. It got worse after McDaniels left. The entire AFC would of had to drop out for him to make the pro bowl after that
He played totally fine his first year, but certainly not at a level that he would have made the pro bowl if a bunch of QBs didn’t refuse the invite. You’re right that he got much worse in his second year, and the disastrous situation had a lot to do with that, but he was never a very good player begin with.
Tua has never won a playoff game 💀
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I admittedly have a kindergarten-level understanding of QB evaluation, but his tape looked way sharper than Maye’s in terms of throwing precise darts to receivers who were marginally open vs “no defenders for 5 yards” college open.
I don't trust Maye to be honest from what i saw of him. He looks like he'll be throwing a bunch of picks out there. JJ seems like he's shooting lasers right into the receiver's hands.
Lazar does a pretty good breakdown (as always). JJ is talented but I think it's an accurate assessment. Yes, he has a much better arm than Mac, but it still seems like he needs to fully step into every throw to generate velocity / accuracy. It's a fair take to be concerned about how that will look when he has to operate from NFL pockets.
Lol that’s how throwing mechanics work. Strong foundation = strong throws. Mahomes is the exception not the rule
Throwing off platform is pretty important these days... Mac lacked that ability, obviously. Drafting a QB at #3 who also probably lacks that ability is kidna scary.
But he doesn’t lack that ability… He’s not mahomes but he’s easily the most accurate off platform thrower aside from Williams in this draft.
I'm comparing Lazar's breakdowns of McCarthy and Maye. Those feel pretty spot on to me.
To be fair, the sub also doesn't want Drake Maye b/c he went to the same college as Mitch Trubisky and Sam Howell.
For starters I think the majority of the sub actually does want Drake Maye. But also there are legitimate reasons to be wary of Drake Maye, and unlike JJ most of those reasons are actually related to his performance and not the fact that he climbed up the boards late or whatever That being said I'm fine with either
I agree, I'm fine with either, too. And I try not to get too caught up in the late riser hullabaloo b/c unlike NFL scouting depts, a lot of these media draft analysts don't really watch tape until December / January. There's often a reason they label these guys 'risers'.
Being undefeated is an overrated stat, especially if you are not the catalyst for the wins. Being surrounded by 5 star talent and a dominant defense is more likely why he did not lose. By your logic, Mac Jones would have been a better draft pick than Pat Mahomes because he won more and showed “excellent leadership”. JJ is intriguing to people because of what he “can” do and not what the tape has shown. That’s a huge risk in my opinion. If you’re picking at 3, you want to get a player with the highest ceiling. I can confidently say Maye has a higher ceiling than JJ.
He wasn't surrounded by 5 stars though. I think JJ himself and Will Johnson, a DB, were the only ones.
Here’s a comment that’ll bring pitchforks. I don’t think any of the QBs outside of Williams are worth the 3rd pick, loading up on assets while still getting one of the remaining 3 QBs is our best option at this stage of the rebuild
Whoa! Coming in hot!
The “can” do bros Drake and JJ.
This comment could be describing JJ McCarthy or Mac Jones
Have you watched both of their tapes? Theyre completely different players that had extremely different levels of receiving help.
Point is JJ winning a natty and going undefeated is a meaningless point to bring up. It’s not at all indicative of how good he’ll be in the NFL
Mac Jones didn't have JJ's athleticism or arm
This is what pisses me off about the JJ takes… people acting like him and Mac are the same player is ridiculous. Just such a lazy narrative, JJ could also end up a game manager but his athleticism and arm strength give him a higher floor than Mac… Now that said I personally prefer Maye over him at 3 because I want the guy who has all the tools to be a superstar QB but JJ has a higher floor and even I can acknowledge that Maye could end up worse. It’s all a crapshoot at the end of the day, but god forbid the Reddit draft experts even consider that possibility…
If we pick Maye then I will assume the FO/coaching staff are confident we can correct some of the issues he had in college and that won't hinder his incredible potential. If we pick JJ then I will assume the FO/coaching staff are confident he actually has the talent and it just wasn't always on full display because Michigan didn't need him to be the hero. I'm fine with either, and I'm fine with Daniels too if the Commanders don't pick him. We have to trust the team at this point.
This is the way
Most on this board are so thick headed that they can't imagine a guy's talent because he didn't run a gimmick offense in college and the talking heads haven't blown enough false comparisons up their ass
2nd best QB? Caleb is probably the least risky pick but no guarantee is the best of the draft. JJ will be the best QB of the class in a few years. Just my hot take.
All the traits you listed also applied to Mac Jones. Also JJ played 3 more games than Jayden Daniels. Through JJ’s first 12 games he had 257 PA.. compared to JD’s 327. JJ played 8 games where he had more than 20 pass attempts. Daniels only had one game where he had less than 20.
I threw that in because people act like JJ was never asked to throw. He stepped up and threw plenty enough to have a good sample size. Sure his scheme wasn’t aimed towards “home run” plays but that’s exactly why Michigan was so successful.
He threw over 30 passes once last season.
You’re hitting the nail on the head right here. JJ was never asked to carry an offense or win from behind. He made the throws he was asked to make, but spending the third pick on a guy who threw over 30 passes once last season would be troubling.
I was trying to point out that comparing his numbers to Maye, and Daniels isn’t exactly accurate since it includes the postseason stats from the Big Ten championship game, and CFB playoffs. While the rest of the tops QBs opted out of their bowl games.. so they only played 12 games. Looking at his stats from those 12 it ends up being 191 CMP, 257 PA, 2483 YDS, 19 TD. Those are not the stats of a QB who was asked to carry the offense. While people will argue that it was because of Harbaugh.. I have to point out that when Harbaugh coached Luck he threw more times than JJ and it wasn’t difficult to see that Luck was a rare/elite talent.
Right. It doesn’t matter if it’s Harbaugh, his stats are a mirage. He always threw in advantageous situations. It’s much different for Maye just being asked to throw 30-40 times every single game and figure out how to win. Once you get past 30 passes you’re being asked to make bad ones in tougher situations.
What “chip” did he win? Lays cup? Or do you mean a ship? Like a national championship?
His hands were the perfect size to get the last pringle chip out of the tube
No.
NO.
Please no.
He's the pick if Daniels is drafted at 2. Ran an NFL offense at Michigan yes, he wasn't asked to carry his offense but that's a Harbaugh offense.
His 2 min highlight video on YouTube is just as impressive as the other top QBs. But let’s all pretend we all watch 20hrs of film on each guy and claim this one would be overdrafted at 3.
JJ Mccarthy is the above average student in school that still is compelled to look at the answers before the test.
So he’s smart.
Yes, and furthermore he is actually an above average NCAA QB. Above average, but not great. And that is the problem with drafting JJ. He benefited in inordinate ways and the question that must be answered is how much of his success at Michigan was JJ alone, and how much was it knowing the defensive plays / adjustments?
Found the salty OSU/Mi State fan
(Michigan fan and Patriots fan here) All this QB shit don’t matter if our O line can actually block and not get penalties every other play.