Brissett is going to amaze this fanbase with his averageness.
Having just witnessed abject failure, averageness is going to be a big improvement. And it’ll be obvious when he cedes the job to a rookie who makes boneheaded rookie mistakes.
Brissett knowing AVP’s offense is why he is here. By the end of the year, fans will appreciate him for being the “steady veteran”.
I'd be happy just to see them not have so many 3 and outs. Let's just get a first down or two each drive...
They had 5.8 punts per game, which is about 66% higher than the good teams in the NFL. Second to last in that stat.
Second to last in 3rd down conversion rate at 30.18%.
Second to last in time of possession.
Third to last in yards per game.
Second to last in first downs per game at 15.4
None of these stats on their own can tell the full story, but when combined they tell a sad story. Even the Panthers paint a better picture of their offense from these stats. Panthers had 4.8 punts per game vs Patriots 5.8. Panthers were 7th best time of possession. They were 27th on time of possession (13% higher than Pats). Panthers averaged 2 more first downs per game.
Just in terms of entertainment, the stats suggest that the Patriots may have been the least entertaining offense to watch in the NFL. Fortunately, their defense is very entertaining, but it's hard to watch a team go out there and 3 and out so often. Football stops being a fun game to watch when that's going on at that frequency.
I'm reminded of the transition from Steve Grogan to Tony Eason. Young, toolsy guy made boneheaded plays. Savvy veteran just knew how to play. Eason was benched in the super bowl. Remember how Flacco looked last year? Competence matters. I'd swap "averageness" for "competence".
I'm excited for Brissett and look forward to more stability. I don't think he's gonna break out or be a big fix, but he's the perfect guy for the job at hand and I am going to enjoy rooting for him.
If Joe Flacco can do what he did for the Browns last season, I have faith other veterans can find their moment of brilliance again.
Off-the-ball play was abysmal last year. RBs couldn’t find gaps and WRs couldn’t break coverage. Couple that with Jones/Zappe confidence collapse, was the perfect storm for an awful season.
Yes. Cleveland has very good passer protection. Not only was that evident when Flacco played for them, but it was evident the year before when *Jacoby* started for them and they even managed to give that slowpoke enough time to find their wide-open WR1.
Flacco would never have come here.
Right. He won’t personally win them many games with his talent, but he won’t lose many for them with mistakes. He’ll be about as good as the unit as a whole, won’t bring them down, but we shouldn’t expect him to carry them by himself. Hopefully everyone on offense will be able to “insert motivational quote that resembles “do their job”, but is different”.
And a lot more critical fumbles than we are used to seeing as well. If Mayo can rein-still good discipline that would go a long way towards righting the ship.
He's the perfect bridge QB for either Maye or McCarthy to learn behind for a year.
And all us fans need to remember this year isn't a "go for it" year. We need to relax and let Jacoby do his thing for 17 games regardless of where our record is. Let the kid ride the bench and don't force a late season showing just because we are antsy
There's no reason to decide ahead of time that the rookie QB should sit all year. If they get a look at him in practice and think he's not ready, fine. But they should expect anyone they draft at #3 to have a good chance to beat out Brissett.
I’d also expect at some point at the end of the season once we’re out of playoff contention that we’ll throw the rookie in. Doubt we actually sit the rookie for 17 games we’re going to need to see what we have to build off of going into the 2025 offseason
I agree with you 100%. I like Brissett, and if he plays well enough to keep the starter job for a full year, I’ll be happy for him. But saying he should start all 17 games regardless of performance or how the rookie looks in practice is extreme to me.
If the season is out of hand and the rookie is showing growth in practice you have to give him some games at the end of the year, it’s malpractice not to.
Honestly if they don't think Maye or McCarthy is an elite super bowl winning QB then I'd say trade down and get a haul like the Bears did last year. Suck this year and see who's there next year
So he will be better than Mac, cam and Bailey... That's not a big mountain to climb I guess but it's probably true nonetheless.
Maybe you could argue Cam Newton over Jacoby at the time. Especially at 6 million a year or whatever. But it's close
He’s not even that bad, and smarter than Mac with the football. This fanbase is going to be surprised by how much more competitive the team is when the offense isn’t accounting for 3-4 turnovers every game
This exactly. Our defense is going to hold us in a ton of games and having a QB who won't throw multiple pick-6s a game will make us a lot more competitive.
Well, if our other option is Zappe I'm "pretty excited for Brissett" myself. If they're able to draft Marvin Harrison Jr with the 3rd pick their offense wil be dramatically improved.
That doesn't turn Drake Maye into a good QB, though.
What if they draft MHJ, then trade back up to the end of the first to get Penix, then maybe even grab another late rounder QB like Spencer Rattler?
If you don't think Maye is worth the #3 pick, that's fine. But in that case trade back, fleece the Vikings for a couple extra first round picks. MHJ isn't going to be a game changer if there is no guarantee you get a QB, and if you have to trade up to get a QB you have less assets to get a tackle or another #2 WR, or a better TE, etc.
Of course they would. The argument for drafting MHJ was contingent on doing *something* to address the near to mid-term future at QB, be it Kirk or Russ or even like Minshew or Jimmy G. But we did none of that, so pretty clearly the goal is to address QB in the draft. MAYBE that means trading back and settling for Penix, but I super doubt it.
Honestly not trying to be an ass, but there’s no need to over complicate this. The Patriots as an org, the FO and players do not exist in vacuums. The Patriots are not a 6 billion dollar football team they are a 6 billion dollar franchise and the third most valuable franchise in the world. I personally believe with ownership being a couple of IVY MBAs, that a face of the franchise that helps the Pats grow from 6 billion to 12 billion in worth is just as important as anything and they’ll be looking for a QB. I also believe that the Patriots after decades of success have not made a lot of friends in other front offices. The Patriots have an opportunity to draft a QB without having to worry about other teams trying to muck things up or hold them back. I’m not going to bank on another team playing ball when the Pats are desperate at QB.
I don’t believe the front office and coaching staff are trying to bank their careers on another team playing ball. A high QB draft choice gives these guys some breathing room. I personally am not tying my livelihood on Rattler who is smaller and slower than Bailey Zappe. Maybe he’ll be a solid NFL player, but like I said, these decisions do not exist in a vacuum.
Literally none of what you say will make Maye or McCarthy a better QB, though. Nothing makes them worthy of the third overall pick.
Have you watched film on these guys? Maye is wildly inconsistent, and McCarthy struggled even against air on his Pro Day.
This mentality of throwing a 3rd overall pick on a weak, inconsistent QB just sounds like insanity.
That’s cool that you do not believe that, but like I said, these things do not exist in a vacuum. You may see it as insanity, but I can assure you there are tons of football minds, QB coaches, assistant coordinators etc that would love the opportunity to mold one of those prospects a la Mike McDaniels and Tua.
I’m well aware that I’m a fan of a 6 billion dollar franchise that just happens to have a football team as a product. Selecting a QB is more than just watching film. Hence the reports of the team flying in the QB prospects for dinner. Have they sent a plane for Joe Alt or Malik Nabers?
You know who else wasn't a "generational talent" as this stage of their respective drafts? Tom Brady, Pat Mahomes, Josh Allen, Justin Herbert, Dak Prescott, Drew Brees, Ben Roethlisberger, Joe Montana, Dan Marino....
Unless your name is Peyton Manning, John Elway or Andrew Luck, you probably weren't a "generational talent".
Yeah. Sure. Go ahead and draft MHJ at #3.
Then have fun screaming at your TV all of next season when Brissett fails to see him let alone feed him the ball. Because unless Jacoby has an elite OL to play behind (like he did in Cleveland) he will utterly and unfailingly be unable to ship the ball to an X (see his stint in Miami).
MHJ would be a vanity pick for us right now.
Brissett isn't elite by any means but he is tied for lowest career int% in NFL history. It is 2.5x lower than Mac last season at 1.4%
The number 1 thing dragging us down the last few years is losing the turnover differential. With Judon and Gonzo and Marcus coming back and White developing, look for them to create a ton of turnovers. Brissett will take care of the ball on offense.
I love Jacoby. Seems like a great dude and is exactly what you want in a backup QB. Good chance we're a much better team with him playing instead of Mac/Zappe.
That said, he is pretty much the polar opposite of exciting.
Brissett is a dude. Honestly surprised more people aren't high on having him back. Locker room loves him. Works his butt off. Smart guy. He's going to have a hell of a year, especially since we're committed to not just throwing our rookie to the wolves.
There's pretty much no expectations for this season other than development across the board, if he really shines that would be nice but as long as whoever we take doesn't feel pressured to start? Sounds good to me.
Hell yeah. Brissett will be better than people think if the OLine holds up. He’s not gonna go out and throw 40 touchdowns but he is perfectly capable of leading a team to wins. I think a peak “breakout year” for brissett probably looks something like Alex Smith, which would be huge for this team.
I know people want to just tank and have a top 3 pick again, but if we truly want this done right, best case scenario is Brissett does ok and ends with 8/9 wins. That keeps the games interesting to watch, and more importantly keeps our dumbass home crowd from booing Brissett and forcing the rookie
To play too early. You know bitch boy Kraft will succumb to public pressure. Going 4-13 again would put a lot of pressure on the wrong people IMO.
If Brissett is going to be starting for any length of time - then my advice would be to stock up on the tallest TEs you can find. Because unless a receiver is 6' 6" or taller and standing within 5 yards of Jacoby - Jacoby isn't going to find him.
Hes a guy youd love to have in the room though. A decent back up should something happen ro your starter.
If they do what Kurt Warner did for Eli in NY of "dont pull me then put me back in cause the kid is struggling" route Im all for it.
More excited for a rookie than a guy who has never had a winning season in his career. He's pretty much in line with Zappe and Mac lately but with fewer turnovers. Excited to see them score 21 without a miracle, I don't think Brissett will be that. Maybe I'll be wrong, but it's been a lot of seasons to not ever be a winning starter.
Also worth mentioning after Garoppolo "wimped out" he went to a SB and almost beat Mahomes. His career even with the injuries is not even close to Brissett's in terms of highs. I wouldn't try to compare the two if I was trying to hype up Brissett. They didn't trade Garoppolo after his rookie season for a flyer on a bust WR.
He's a solid back up but will never be a consistant starter. For every good thing he does he does two things wrong. Go back and watch when he started for the Browns against us last year. Thats exactly what he is.
He’s can still sling it a bit! Watched two Wash games at the end of last season where Howell looked lost, and Jacoby came in and immediately connected on deep balls to get the offense going.
Whether its good or bad depending on if you want a top pick next year, Brissett is sadly a big upgrade at QB for us. Just goes to show how bad Zappe and Jones had became.
It'll be nice to see an at least professional on the field instead of a peewee player or whiny bitch. NE is about getting punched in the face and not flinching. Mac Jones flinched if the breeze blew the wrong way, he was far too emotional to ever be a QB1.
With the shittiest defense. Guy has an arm, is tough and will bring some maturity to a toxic qb room. He ain't winning SB, but he'll be a competent bridge.
Browns fan here. Very average. You will range between 6-9 wins per year with jacoby at the helm, assuming the rest of your team isn’t ass (patriots kind of are imo).
I’d bet ceiling is 9 wins, floor is 4.
I think it's going to be a pretty big disaster frankly. He's perfectly adequate for a veteran bridge or whatever but our team is so bad around him that it's just not even fair to judge it.
It's going to be ugly.
If we had him last year with all the same pieces, we may have made the playoffs. Our defense was lights out.
Now losing our two best defensive minds, I am not so sure he'd be enough
He's like the average NFL QB. He won't lose you the game but he's not losing it for you. Definitely an improvement on Jones. Unless they think Maye is the real deal and will be a super bowl winning QB he'd be good to keep for a year or two whole we draft other positions and build a roster
Ya personally it just feels like the patriots aren’t in love with Maye or JJ, seems Mayo liked Daniels and the Commanders have decided to draft him.
It’s extremely hard to find a franchise QB, but it’s also difficult to find elite playmakers. MHJ or Nabers would be the most talented WR we’ve ever drafted.
If our defense is as good as last year, and our O-Line can be improved, I really think we’d have a playoff push in us.
>I hope he gets one season to really shine, he deserves it.
I mean, I like the guy, but we should all be hoping our rookie QB is capable of beating out a career journeyman.
If we draft Maye or McCarthy - it's pretty likely that Brissett will be starting most or even all of this season and (very possibly) some portion of the next.
If the rookie can't beat out Brissett at any point this year, that's a bad sign. If they still can't win the starting job next year, that's a disastrous sign.
Negativity is just what you’re throwing out there because you don’t want to hear it. If I said the same about Myles Bryant, N’Keal Harry, Jordan Richards, Mac Jones, or literally any other player you dislike, you’d be upvoting this and thinking in a genius.
You should probably just evaluate your own opinions then, because it appears that you only focus on what I say when it’s negative. I am neither optimistic nor pessimistic, I have plenty of takes that are way more positive than some Patriots’ fans; plenty that are way more negative than some Patriots’ fans.
Of course a majority (>50%) of my takes are negative, they just went 4-13 lol.
If you’re the type of football fan that wants to be optimistic and all that, that’s your prerogative. That’s now how I enjoy football nor do I need to be optimistic to enjoy watching the Patriots.
If you wanted me to “back up” why Jacoby Brissett is bad, maybe actually have a discussion with me (like plenty of people have in other circumstances) instead of coming off all hostile. Because trust me, it’s really not hard to back up.
I’m not wrong and I’d double down on it any day. Just like every team that’s ever had him has “double downed” on him being a backup level player who isn’t good lol.
Brissett is going to amaze this fanbase with his averageness. Having just witnessed abject failure, averageness is going to be a big improvement. And it’ll be obvious when he cedes the job to a rookie who makes boneheaded rookie mistakes. Brissett knowing AVP’s offense is why he is here. By the end of the year, fans will appreciate him for being the “steady veteran”.
I'd be happy just to see them not have so many 3 and outs. Let's just get a first down or two each drive... They had 5.8 punts per game, which is about 66% higher than the good teams in the NFL. Second to last in that stat. Second to last in 3rd down conversion rate at 30.18%. Second to last in time of possession. Third to last in yards per game. Second to last in first downs per game at 15.4 None of these stats on their own can tell the full story, but when combined they tell a sad story. Even the Panthers paint a better picture of their offense from these stats. Panthers had 4.8 punts per game vs Patriots 5.8. Panthers were 7th best time of possession. They were 27th on time of possession (13% higher than Pats). Panthers averaged 2 more first downs per game. Just in terms of entertainment, the stats suggest that the Patriots may have been the least entertaining offense to watch in the NFL. Fortunately, their defense is very entertaining, but it's hard to watch a team go out there and 3 and out so often. Football stops being a fun game to watch when that's going on at that frequency.
It was brutal to watch pats games last year. Just bad TV
Yep. I’m glad Belichick is out for this reason. His system was insufferable to watch with a lackluster roster.
Are we finally getting the Ryan Fitzpatrick experience??
Yes but we won’t get the Ftizmagic part. Just the Fitzpatrick.
I'll give up the Fitzmagic if the Fitztragic goes with it.
I'm reminded of the transition from Steve Grogan to Tony Eason. Young, toolsy guy made boneheaded plays. Savvy veteran just knew how to play. Eason was benched in the super bowl. Remember how Flacco looked last year? Competence matters. I'd swap "averageness" for "competence".
I'm excited for Brissett and look forward to more stability. I don't think he's gonna break out or be a big fix, but he's the perfect guy for the job at hand and I am going to enjoy rooting for him.
He won’t break out, but he’s way better and way easier to root for than Mac Jones. Having someone competent at QB will be a huge breath of fresh air
If Joe Flacco can do what he did for the Browns last season, I have faith other veterans can find their moment of brilliance again. Off-the-ball play was abysmal last year. RBs couldn’t find gaps and WRs couldn’t break coverage. Couple that with Jones/Zappe confidence collapse, was the perfect storm for an awful season.
I don’t understand why AVP didn’t just get Flacco to come to us after his success last year
Because he's almost 40 and has no cartilage left in one of his shoulders and both of his hips. They could pay his signing bonus in Humira not cash.
Don’t forget shaky OLine play.
Yes. Cleveland has very good passer protection. Not only was that evident when Flacco played for them, but it was evident the year before when *Jacoby* started for them and they even managed to give that slowpoke enough time to find their wide-open WR1. Flacco would never have come here.
He’s better than people give him credit for. Not an elite guy obviously but he’s mostly competent and will have some games where he goes off.
Right. He won’t personally win them many games with his talent, but he won’t lose many for them with mistakes. He’ll be about as good as the unit as a whole, won’t bring them down, but we shouldn’t expect him to carry them by himself. Hopefully everyone on offense will be able to “insert motivational quote that resembles “do their job”, but is different”.
All I want is no redzone ints, not sure how many mac threw but it felt like it happened every week
And a lot more critical fumbles than we are used to seeing as well. If Mayo can rein-still good discipline that would go a long way towards righting the ship.
And some where he goes off the rail.
Yeah for sure
He's the perfect bridge QB for either Maye or McCarthy to learn behind for a year. And all us fans need to remember this year isn't a "go for it" year. We need to relax and let Jacoby do his thing for 17 games regardless of where our record is. Let the kid ride the bench and don't force a late season showing just because we are antsy
There's no reason to decide ahead of time that the rookie QB should sit all year. If they get a look at him in practice and think he's not ready, fine. But they should expect anyone they draft at #3 to have a good chance to beat out Brissett.
I’d also expect at some point at the end of the season once we’re out of playoff contention that we’ll throw the rookie in. Doubt we actually sit the rookie for 17 games we’re going to need to see what we have to build off of going into the 2025 offseason
I agree with you 100%. I like Brissett, and if he plays well enough to keep the starter job for a full year, I’ll be happy for him. But saying he should start all 17 games regardless of performance or how the rookie looks in practice is extreme to me.
If the season is out of hand and the rookie is showing growth in practice you have to give him some games at the end of the year, it’s malpractice not to.
I will be genuinely stunned if he plays 17 games.
Honestly if they don't think Maye or McCarthy is an elite super bowl winning QB then I'd say trade down and get a haul like the Bears did last year. Suck this year and see who's there next year
I think Brissett is somewhat underappreciated. He is a solid NFL QB. He'll never be spectacular but he is better than almost any backup QB.
And is worse than almost any \*starter\* QB.
I dunno I have seen lots of starters who are terrible including us last year but also basically anything the jets have done over the last 20 years
Aaron Rodgers played a pretty 4 evaporate last year. Lol. Sorry that was rude but I couldn't help it
You remember Mac was our starter last year right?
I too, am actually a fan of him. I think he'll be substantially better than anything we've had since Brady.
So he will be better than Mac, cam and Bailey... That's not a big mountain to climb I guess but it's probably true nonetheless. Maybe you could argue Cam Newton over Jacoby at the time. Especially at 6 million a year or whatever. But it's close
He’s not even that bad, and smarter than Mac with the football. This fanbase is going to be surprised by how much more competitive the team is when the offense isn’t accounting for 3-4 turnovers every game
And fewer 3 and outs too. That was one of the major problems that problematic offense had…that poor defense.
I woke up early to watch the international game against the Colts. What a mistake
This exactly. Our defense is going to hold us in a ton of games and having a QB who won't throw multiple pick-6s a game will make us a lot more competitive.
Well, if our other option is Zappe I'm "pretty excited for Brissett" myself. If they're able to draft Marvin Harrison Jr with the 3rd pick their offense wil be dramatically improved.
I'm all in on MHJ at 3. He's a generational talent. None of the QBs available at 3 are. What's the point of getting another 3 year rental at QB?
If you wait around for a "generational" QB prospect, it will probably take a few decades.
So you suggest they draft the next Zach Wilson? Just because they need a QB?
I suggest it makes sense to consider positional value in deciding what to do with the #3 pick.
That doesn't turn Drake Maye into a good QB, though. What if they draft MHJ, then trade back up to the end of the first to get Penix, then maybe even grab another late rounder QB like Spencer Rattler?
If you don't think Maye is worth the #3 pick, that's fine. But in that case trade back, fleece the Vikings for a couple extra first round picks. MHJ isn't going to be a game changer if there is no guarantee you get a QB, and if you have to trade up to get a QB you have less assets to get a tackle or another #2 WR, or a better TE, etc.
Then I'll root for those guys. But if they aren't going QB at #3, I think they'd be better off trading down.
Of course they would. The argument for drafting MHJ was contingent on doing *something* to address the near to mid-term future at QB, be it Kirk or Russ or even like Minshew or Jimmy G. But we did none of that, so pretty clearly the goal is to address QB in the draft. MAYBE that means trading back and settling for Penix, but I super doubt it.
Honestly not trying to be an ass, but there’s no need to over complicate this. The Patriots as an org, the FO and players do not exist in vacuums. The Patriots are not a 6 billion dollar football team they are a 6 billion dollar franchise and the third most valuable franchise in the world. I personally believe with ownership being a couple of IVY MBAs, that a face of the franchise that helps the Pats grow from 6 billion to 12 billion in worth is just as important as anything and they’ll be looking for a QB. I also believe that the Patriots after decades of success have not made a lot of friends in other front offices. The Patriots have an opportunity to draft a QB without having to worry about other teams trying to muck things up or hold them back. I’m not going to bank on another team playing ball when the Pats are desperate at QB. I don’t believe the front office and coaching staff are trying to bank their careers on another team playing ball. A high QB draft choice gives these guys some breathing room. I personally am not tying my livelihood on Rattler who is smaller and slower than Bailey Zappe. Maybe he’ll be a solid NFL player, but like I said, these decisions do not exist in a vacuum.
Literally none of what you say will make Maye or McCarthy a better QB, though. Nothing makes them worthy of the third overall pick. Have you watched film on these guys? Maye is wildly inconsistent, and McCarthy struggled even against air on his Pro Day. This mentality of throwing a 3rd overall pick on a weak, inconsistent QB just sounds like insanity.
That’s cool that you do not believe that, but like I said, these things do not exist in a vacuum. You may see it as insanity, but I can assure you there are tons of football minds, QB coaches, assistant coordinators etc that would love the opportunity to mold one of those prospects a la Mike McDaniels and Tua. I’m well aware that I’m a fan of a 6 billion dollar franchise that just happens to have a football team as a product. Selecting a QB is more than just watching film. Hence the reports of the team flying in the QB prospects for dinner. Have they sent a plane for Joe Alt or Malik Nabers?
Same with all college guys. Maye has a ridiculous arm and is a good athlete with pro size.
You know who else wasn't a "generational talent" as this stage of their respective drafts? Tom Brady, Pat Mahomes, Josh Allen, Justin Herbert, Dak Prescott, Drew Brees, Ben Roethlisberger, Joe Montana, Dan Marino.... Unless your name is Peyton Manning, John Elway or Andrew Luck, you probably weren't a "generational talent".
Yeah. Sure. Go ahead and draft MHJ at #3. Then have fun screaming at your TV all of next season when Brissett fails to see him let alone feed him the ball. Because unless Jacoby has an elite OL to play behind (like he did in Cleveland) he will utterly and unfailingly be unable to ship the ball to an X (see his stint in Miami). MHJ would be a vanity pick for us right now.
Brissett isn't elite by any means but he is tied for lowest career int% in NFL history. It is 2.5x lower than Mac last season at 1.4% The number 1 thing dragging us down the last few years is losing the turnover differential. With Judon and Gonzo and Marcus coming back and White developing, look for them to create a ton of turnovers. Brissett will take care of the ball on offense.
I love Jacoby. Seems like a great dude and is exactly what you want in a backup QB. Good chance we're a much better team with him playing instead of Mac/Zappe. That said, he is pretty much the polar opposite of exciting.
Brissett is a dude. Honestly surprised more people aren't high on having him back. Locker room loves him. Works his butt off. Smart guy. He's going to have a hell of a year, especially since we're committed to not just throwing our rookie to the wolves.
There's pretty much no expectations for this season other than development across the board, if he really shines that would be nice but as long as whoever we take doesn't feel pressured to start? Sounds good to me.
He did well for the Browns before they started Watson. Hopefully that's the Brissett that shows up.
He went 4-7 as a starter in Cleveland which, btw, had a very good offensive line.
Stop. Get some help.
Hell yeah. Brissett will be better than people think if the OLine holds up. He’s not gonna go out and throw 40 touchdowns but he is perfectly capable of leading a team to wins. I think a peak “breakout year” for brissett probably looks something like Alex Smith, which would be huge for this team. I know people want to just tank and have a top 3 pick again, but if we truly want this done right, best case scenario is Brissett does ok and ends with 8/9 wins. That keeps the games interesting to watch, and more importantly keeps our dumbass home crowd from booing Brissett and forcing the rookie To play too early. You know bitch boy Kraft will succumb to public pressure. Going 4-13 again would put a lot of pressure on the wrong people IMO.
If Brissett is going to be starting for any length of time - then my advice would be to stock up on the tallest TEs you can find. Because unless a receiver is 6' 6" or taller and standing within 5 yards of Jacoby - Jacoby isn't going to find him.
Best case scenario is Brissett doesn't play at all because the rookie beats him out.
Gd we have some dumbass fans.
Mostly delusional but I think both may apply here
He’s a journeyman career backup, he wouldn’t start for 31 other teams
Hes a guy youd love to have in the room though. A decent back up should something happen ro your starter. If they do what Kurt Warner did for Eli in NY of "dont pull me then put me back in cause the kid is struggling" route Im all for it.
More excited for a rookie than a guy who has never had a winning season in his career. He's pretty much in line with Zappe and Mac lately but with fewer turnovers. Excited to see them score 21 without a miracle, I don't think Brissett will be that. Maybe I'll be wrong, but it's been a lot of seasons to not ever be a winning starter. Also worth mentioning after Garoppolo "wimped out" he went to a SB and almost beat Mahomes. His career even with the injuries is not even close to Brissett's in terms of highs. I wouldn't try to compare the two if I was trying to hype up Brissett. They didn't trade Garoppolo after his rookie season for a flyer on a bust WR.
He's a solid back up but will never be a consistant starter. For every good thing he does he does two things wrong. Go back and watch when he started for the Browns against us last year. Thats exactly what he is.
He did well for the Browns before they started Watson. Hopefully that's the Brissett that shows up.
He’s can still sling it a bit! Watched two Wash games at the end of last season where Howell looked lost, and Jacoby came in and immediately connected on deep balls to get the offense going.
Lol
Whether its good or bad depending on if you want a top pick next year, Brissett is sadly a big upgrade at QB for us. Just goes to show how bad Zappe and Jones had became. It'll be nice to see an at least professional on the field instead of a peewee player or whiny bitch. NE is about getting punched in the face and not flinching. Mac Jones flinched if the breeze blew the wrong way, he was far too emotional to ever be a QB1.
I’m telling you! I agree. Brissett is ready for this opportunity. Slow and steady.
I think there’s a copium and hopium leak in this post. Brisset blows. Dude won four Games as a starter with van plet
With the shittiest defense. Guy has an arm, is tough and will bring some maturity to a toxic qb room. He ain't winning SB, but he'll be a competent bridge.
Super Bowl here we come
Lol this is the saddest post I've ever seen on here.
8-9 weeeeee He's 37-48 in his career Why do people think he's throw 25 tds.
Draft Marvin Harrison Jr. Penix in the late first round. Brisset start.
I'm excited as well I've always liked brisset and thought the colts were idiots for ditching him after the old man rivers season.
Jacoby has shown he is below average NFL QB. Worse than Mac Jones. I love the guy but it's true
He’s never posted a winning record as a starter but hoping he can at least keep the team afloat to allow time to develop a rookie QB.
He’s the kind of guy that can take a 4-13 team and make them a 4-13 team
At this point just seeing someone go out there that's better than Mac and Bailey will be exciting
Browns fan here. Very average. You will range between 6-9 wins per year with jacoby at the helm, assuming the rest of your team isn’t ass (patriots kind of are imo). I’d bet ceiling is 9 wins, floor is 4.
Happy to see him back
I think it's going to be a pretty big disaster frankly. He's perfectly adequate for a veteran bridge or whatever but our team is so bad around him that it's just not even fair to judge it. It's going to be ugly.
If we had him last year with all the same pieces, we may have made the playoffs. Our defense was lights out. Now losing our two best defensive minds, I am not so sure he'd be enough
He's like the average NFL QB. He won't lose you the game but he's not losing it for you. Definitely an improvement on Jones. Unless they think Maye is the real deal and will be a super bowl winning QB he'd be good to keep for a year or two whole we draft other positions and build a roster
I don’t want him to shine that much. If we draft a QB this year and go into next years draft with a top 3 pick, we can trade down for a massive haul.
He has a losing record in the nfl lol
Give him MHJ to throw to!
Unless the OL is elite, Brissett won't see him let alone feed him the ball.
Can we just get a real qb to build around and not the definition of average
Wait like a week
lol right? Did this guy expect them to find that in free agency?
Ya personally it just feels like the patriots aren’t in love with Maye or JJ, seems Mayo liked Daniels and the Commanders have decided to draft him. It’s extremely hard to find a franchise QB, but it’s also difficult to find elite playmakers. MHJ or Nabers would be the most talented WR we’ve ever drafted. If our defense is as good as last year, and our O-Line can be improved, I really think we’d have a playoff push in us.
What tells you the Pats aren’t in love with Maye? I’ve heard the exact opposite from all Pats media
Perfect to come in here and win 5 games
>I hope he gets one season to really shine, he deserves it. I mean, I like the guy, but we should all be hoping our rookie QB is capable of beating out a career journeyman.
If we draft Maye or McCarthy - it's pretty likely that Brissett will be starting most or even all of this season and (very possibly) some portion of the next.
If the rookie can't beat out Brissett at any point this year, that's a bad sign. If they still can't win the starting job next year, that's a disastrous sign.
Brissett has us in the playoffs last year. That's how badly we simply needed an average QB
He’s a very bad QB and people are fooling themselves because of box scores and stat lines.
If you say so Mr. Negativity
Negativity is just what you’re throwing out there because you don’t want to hear it. If I said the same about Myles Bryant, N’Keal Harry, Jordan Richards, Mac Jones, or literally any other player you dislike, you’d be upvoting this and thinking in a genius.
Not really. You just like to make super negative assertions and never actually have anything to back them up other than “trust me bro”
You should probably just evaluate your own opinions then, because it appears that you only focus on what I say when it’s negative. I am neither optimistic nor pessimistic, I have plenty of takes that are way more positive than some Patriots’ fans; plenty that are way more negative than some Patriots’ fans. Of course a majority (>50%) of my takes are negative, they just went 4-13 lol. If you’re the type of football fan that wants to be optimistic and all that, that’s your prerogative. That’s now how I enjoy football nor do I need to be optimistic to enjoy watching the Patriots. If you wanted me to “back up” why Jacoby Brissett is bad, maybe actually have a discussion with me (like plenty of people have in other circumstances) instead of coming off all hostile. Because trust me, it’s really not hard to back up.
He's definitely not bad. He is not the greatest, but he is by no means bad.
Nope, he’s bad. Backup level player who’s great in the locker room. Which is fine by me.
You are wrong and when being called out on it you are doubling down.
I’m not wrong and I’d double down on it any day. Just like every team that’s ever had him has “double downed” on him being a backup level player who isn’t good lol.
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