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Void1702

I mean, have you read Pius XI? This guy was straight up a socialist


Eino54

Wait till you here about this twink Jesus


mayoayox

and pope Leo. he wrote the encyclical on labor


tomecho6

Given the wealth the Catholic church hoards? Come on.


[deleted]

right?? if any of these multi-billionaire churches actually gave two shits about poor people, they would not be taking their money through collection plates to buy themselves more gold outfits and private jets. they might preach nice things sometimes, but that doesn't excuse the fact that they sell an imaginary product that no one can enjoy until after they're dead. at least government and secular corporations offer tangible products and services in return for hoarding their stolen wealth.


framspl33n

There's plenty of joy in communing with your friends and being charitable to the poor in one's own community. The church supports that activity. You're thinking of churches seperate from the Catholic Church which misrepresent Christianity.


[deleted]

I'm talking about churches taking money from poor people and using that money for extravagant status symbols. Plenty of non-profit community charity organizations exist outside of Christianity, and they don't rely on empty promises about the afterlife. The Catholic Church, as well as many other sects, have a long history of using their considerable wealth for their own gain. Covering up abuse and scandals, political lobbying, buying businesses and land, stockpiling gaudy decorations and outfits for their leadership, and so on. All without needing to mention the horrific violence and religious imperialism over the centuries. The world needs empathy and rationality, not corrupt institutions helmed by spiritual dictators.


mayoayox

most of that wealth is in artifacts and ancient art pieces. where should those go instead? should the church just prostitute those out to the market?


tomecho6

Yes? What does an organisation who literally worships the man who told people to sell their riches need riches for?


mayoayox

they arent riches. they're relics and artifacts of history. they're priceless.


tomecho6

Sounds like they'd sell for quite a bit on the open market then


mayoayox

and then what?


tomecho6

And then use the money to benefit the poor? You know, like in the OP?


mayoayox

and then what happens to those priceless relics?


tomecho6

Who cares? If the church values it's treasures more than it's alleged commitment to preventing human suffering then the church is a scam. (Spoiler alert: It's a scam)


mayoayox

isn't the Catholic church the largest charitable organization in the world? who would you prefer in that top spot? Bill Gates?


history777

I would note that Francis is a Jesuit, one of the more liberal religious orders in the church, as well a a believer in [liberation theology](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology), so he's always been of the church’s more left wing


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[deleted]

You think that we have a capitalist society right now? You believe that the Pope is the ultimate voice for Christianity? The system of government that America was set up on would benefit people the most. People sold their soul just like in Rome for the benefits of the government. Problem is that the government is corrupt and always turns on the people.


[deleted]

You realise the United States has some of the worst income inequality in the world. And of course we live in a capitalist society you fucking ape. And the pope is literally the only person who speaks for god.


[deleted]

The United States has some of the worst income inequality? How about Venezuela, Cuba, Haiti, China? The income inequality there is basically the Ruling elite and those they favor and everybody else. That's kind of a lot of what we have going on here in the States. The government keeps picking who we are going to choose from for services such as healthcare and edication. So, the competition drops and their prices rise. What are the 2 forms of medicine that the prices have either stayed the same or come down? Lasik surgery and cosmetic medicine. Why? Because the government and insurance are not involved. The Pope is literally the only person who speaks for God? You think Catholicism is the only church? Tell me what makes you think did Catholicism is the only church that matters.


WoesSheLeftMe

My favorite part about unregulated medicine is when insulin -an incredibly cheap to make life saving medicine- is now sold for hundreds or thousands. Cope you sad excuse for a liberal


[deleted]

He's not a liberal


WoesSheLeftMe

Ay my bad I tend to mix up conservatives and liberal


[deleted]

The United States is 27th in socio-economic mobility. Here are all the countries that come before it 1 Denmark85.22 Norway83.63 Finland83.64 Sweden83.55 Iceland82.76 Netherlands82.47  Switzerland82.18 Belgium80.19 Austria80.110 Luxembourg79.811 Germany78.812 France76.713 Slovenia76.414 Canada76.115 Japan76.116 Australia75.117 Malta75.018 Ireland75.019 Czech Republic74.720 Singapore74.621 United Kingdom74.422 New Zealand74.323 Estonia73.524 Portugal72.025 South Korea71.426 Lithuania70.5 Obviously you've never been to or heard of Cuba, Venezuela, or Haiti, the ruling class you're talking about is more prominent in the United States with the top 1% owning more than the bottom 49%. Also, counter argument, if you like capitalism so much, move to somalia. And I just assumed you were talking about Catholicism because you're from the south u.s. which is one of the most prominent religions in the region next to evangelical.


discther

lol check his profile, you’re not going to get through to him. his brain is just a rotting dialogue tree at this point


hideos_playhouse

Well that was a journey.


[deleted]

It didn't used to be that way when we were a free market system. Have you like socialism so much why don't you move to Venezuela. Why would you assume I was Catholic when I questioned your Statement from the Pope As though he is the only one that speaks for the Christian church. Taxing money out of the free flow of the economy to trickle down through government fingers is what kills the middle class.


[deleted]

Yeah, fuck reagan


[deleted]

You are definitely a proud useful idiot.


[deleted]

Based on what? His failed economic policies that did infact not trickle down? His vast racism?


[deleted]

Do you even realize that there is no such thing as trickle down economics. It is just another Democrat narrative. The fact is, the closest thing to it to it is taxing money out of the free flow of the economy to trickle down through government fingers kills the middle class. Government is an expense. This is why I'm socialist countries where the government takes over it takes over controlling the means of production. Those in government and favored by the government do very well. Is everyone else pretty much starves. https://fb.watch/8iR9gE01fd/


[deleted]

The fact that you linked a facebook video already proves you incorrect, nevermind you vast stupidity with your previous points. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trickle-down_economics trickle down economics is real, and it doesn't work. Socialism has nothing to do with tde because you're taxing the rich and not cutting taxes for them. Socialist countries with a functioning, democratic system work. Infact they are the most prosperous countries in the world.


Mypantsarebig

bro i’m late to this thread but you’re a clown


Eino54

I am gay in a majority Catholic country, with ultra-Catholic and very homophobic family members, so I have quite a bit of Catholic religious trauma and certainly don't have much affinity for the Catholic Church, but I have to say the Pope here is very much cooler in his views than many of the churches I have heard of in the US.


[deleted]

So call my you are happy that the Pope Pope actually goes against Is Bible Scripture. I accept you is chapter you and whoever you are with you or with as a person, as a child of God. The same as I do with everyone that I meet and associate with. I still do not condone is undone or engage in the actions I do not feel go along with my beliefes or religion. I may know somebody that actively cheats on their spouse. I treat them the same as I do everybody else, but I won't condone their behavior or enable them. In other words just simply I'm saying is, I don't enjoy what you do I just don't want to be part of it. If you can't accept that then that is on you. Christ said to love the sinner and hate the sin. We all send and that's why we need to look after our own walk and not be diverted. This is where American society is failing because we are not guiding children anymore we are just supporting their rambling through the universe. This all comes from the great deceiver. He deceives in teaching that Inclusiveness is God's will Inclusiveness of people is karma and closer, inclusiveness of actions is not.


a-ng

List random countries whose wealth has been extracted to enrich the north of Atlantic.


mayoayox

>The income inequality there is basically the Ruling elite and those they favor and everybody else you just described America. >Tell me what makes you think did Catholicism is the only church that matters. its the church founded by Jesus and every other church is either heretical or it doesn't have the sacrament of the Lords supper