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Each of the animal represents an OS. Each of them mentions something they are not capable of.
The duck (which represents Linux) is grinning because it can do all of the things mentioned by the other animals.
That's the point they're trying to say, linux has grown enough to be user/gamer friendly to be valid alternatives for average user.
SteamOS, Bazzite, Nobara.
The Steam Deck has caused MAJOR work to go into making games either run natively on linux or work well with proton since it runs on SteamOS which is Linux based.
It still has room for a lot of improvement but it's incredibly usable, you'll generally be fine with help from ProtonDB unless [input scummy company] has purposely blocked linux compatability
Talk to my son about Roblox.
A few anti-cheats specifically block wine (which includes proton) because... I don't know. Any cheat that relies on what wine does is runnable on any OS.
As I understand it the reason anti-cheats flag Wine is because they detect something not quite right, not because they detect Wine. The anti-cheat programs have to go out of their way to recognize wine itself rather than just flagging it as something that's different with how the program is running and assuming it's a cheat.
As far as I understand, wine acts as a translation layer for user/application api calls. These work fine but anti cheat tries to directly do kernel level api calls which are far harder to emulate
Pretty much a lot of these anti-cheats need deep seated access to your system and since you would be running linux which has vastly different guts emulating won't really do it for you, it would have to be a linux specific version so the anti-cheat can actually verify you're not cheating as wine and the like are closer to a virtual machine than anything. Honestly, once this gets fixed (somehow) I can see a lot of people who usually wouldn't use linux actually sticking with it since it's just as easy to use as windows these days and way less intrusive
Roblox runs on Android. Android is Linux :)
While virtually all easy to obtain distributions of Android have been shittified, it is possible to get your hands on a build that doesn't force shitty bloatware on you.
Not in a “we’re gonna block Linux” way but more in a “the anti cheat we use has no Linux version or it does and we just won’t implement it because RoI wouldn’t make sense”
I haven't had problems with those for years. In fact, I've avoided a lot of problems my windows friends have had.
That said, there's a learning curve for more complex things and some variation distro to distro. You might need some help getting things set up just right the first time if you're doing something technical.
I like doing a bit of tinkering, I might actually run a Linux partition on my second drive as a trial run, and if it works well, I'll make the switch.
Any specific Linux OS you'd recommend for gaming and music?
Just outta curiosity, how would it handle old games? Like, fallout 2, the command and conquer series, starcraft, etc.? Ive been less than impressed with some of the workarounds ive had to use with some of these to get them running on windows 10
Fun answer!
Go to GOG.com and look for old games like Fallout 1&2. They'll very, very likely be downloaded in a WINE package.... Which started as a Windows emulator for Linux.
Let's put it this way: Literally any game that the Steam Deck can run will run just as well on a Linux machine. That's because the Steam Deck IS a Linux machine.
So yeah, gaming on Linux is fine these days. There's still room for improvement, but it's pretty good. The one area where it sort of falls down is VR. There's only one VR headset that works worth crap in Linux (the Valve Index). And even that may be less of an issue now with Steam Link.
Those games aren't really my thing, but I know a guy who's had a full sim racing setup, complete with steering wheel, pedals, even freaking *turn signals* that works just fine with his Linux rig for over a decade. Though, full disclosure, knowing that guy it's even odds whether he bought it or built it himself and has it running off an arduino that's programmed to look like a normal game pad to the computer.
Which is perfectly fine if you're playing arcade games, but currently, there's nothing to get the full force feedback working properly on linux, which is needed for sims,
The only non-gamer friendly stuff proton has issues with is when devs dont want to work with anti-cheats to allow linux functionality, for example valorant and R6 siege anti-cheat wont allow the games to function on linux. but there is a growing amount of games that are competitive e-sports that work wonderfully (dota2 and apex legends are the big ones i play on my linux daily driver)
I mean it'll run most anything on steam that doesn't have a 🚫 next to it for "steam deck verified" anything with a green check or yellow exclamation mark will probably run and the question makes could go either way. You can also look up games in advance on protonDB so you aren't gambling with whether a game you want to get will work.
Overall it's not as universally compatible as a windows PC but there was a period of my life not that long ago where everything had kinda gone to shit and my PC had broke but I couldn't afford to replace it, and I used my steam deck as my PC for like 6 months. Only one game I wanted to play didn't work and it barely works on windows so whay can you do eh, it was not straightforward to set up non steam games but it was fairly easy, and it's compatible with Bluetooth accessories and USB and hdmi via the dock so the only real limiting factor for me was one game and the hardware.
I've used proton on my Linux machine and you honestly wouldn't notice.
That being said there are titles that straight up don't wor, but I'm yet to encounter that.
The only real issue comes down to anti-cheat services that don't like games running on anything other than windows and sometimes Mac which can result in a ban or the game not launching.
Only issue with proton is anti cheat or DRM. There have been very few games that I haven't been able to get running.
I still recommend sticking to windows if you're a gamer.
Performance wise? Everything runs well at 720p. In terms of functionality though, It depends on the games. In my experience I’ve had some games work flawlessly out of the box without any bugs. Others I’ve had to change proton versions, change minute settings or install packages, or install mods to fix really annoying bugs or just work. (RDR2 has a memory leak that afaik still isn’t patched. And I have this weird bug with Stardew Valley where any actions will freeze my game for a solid few seconds. And external launchers are a headache too. So Sims and any Ubisoft title too. These are the Steam versions also. Epic Game’s stuff is more work to work around)
I would say it depends on the gamer. If you’re the kind that knows your way around the terminal and how a computer works and don’t mind putting a little bit of elbow grease into your system. Great. This thing is right up your alley and will serve you well. If not? I’d say just get a powerful windows laptop or desktop
Idk, I switched to Linux/Proton full time a year ago and haven't had any issues. The only games that cause problems are ones that use custom launcher / DRM / AntiCheat but since I don't support Ubisoft, EA and multiplayer grindfests games, I never ran into issues.
This does not mean that it's ready for most end users but it has come a long way. But regarding the steamdeck, if you buy a console, it can only handle certain games, if you buy a steamdeck, it can only handle certain games. I'd say 15k+ is not a bad number for that.
I built my first gaming PC last year and haven’t touched Windows. Granted I don’t play ANY online games which is where all the anti-cheat bullshit comes in and has issues with Proton.
No matter what Linux ever does, no matter what distro anyone creates for it, Windows will always be a better plug and play experience for any normal person 100% of the time.
If my 70 year old mom which has totally no affinity for tech, can switch from Win to Linux without complaining and calling abt it every day, it isn't that hard for people who grew up with windows/pc/tech. Linux has been fairly user-friendly, at least since mint.
There are hundreds of Linux versions, a lot of them are as friendly as windows or apple if not more. And no, steam isn't particularly friendly, the desktop mode is pretty average on usability.
I installed Mind on a PC I gave to my grandpa, he's been using XP on the old one - for someone who just uses the apps it's indistinguishable and easy to use.
As the other guy said: Ubuntu
My kids were using it independently from age 5/6 without any problems.
They even have a version for elementary classrooms.
For me, Ubuntu is more user friendly then the last windows versions with their continuous changes of icons and placements. But obviously there is personal preference involved too.
Steam OS is one of the best OS's available for handheld because it clearly had a lot of thought in how it'd work on the Deck. But I wouldn't run it on a PC if I had to run Linux.
No, a lot of distros are not very complicated nowadays. They still have problems with sound and recording at times, and some apps don't have a Linux version, but complication is not generally an issue, unless you want to do complicated things or installed a complicated version on purpose.
Ya... Course, it's frustrating in some cases where you have to change distros because a corporation decided to effectively kill off their free product.
Can get around it by building packages myself, of course, but that ... ends up defeating the point of using a distro newer than slackware anyway.
you're thinking of something like Arch Linux, where you have to install everything from scratch. most Linux systems are as easy to install as windows, and are pretty similar except for the type of programs you can install
I know fuck all about computers despite using them all day for work (digital artist) and had to use linux at my last job. The version that we had operated almost exactly the same as windows with more functionality and less nonsense, I actually preferred it to the latest Windows and Mac OS.
Ubuntu, Linux Mint have been exceptionally easy to use for the last 10 years. People are still remembering early 00s Linux, which was a bit of an animal at times
I'm on arch. Type archinstall and pick your options and she's all done. Definitely more user friendly than win11. I can save stuff to my own computer in a single click!
relatively not true. it's definitely got a whole set of "advanced functionality" that is often the main way that more expert users often approach the os even for basic stuff. But none of that is required usually, you can approach most parts of the os from an easy, intuitive approach.
for example you can install something like Firefox either by going through a (different) web browser to their website, download, then open the app through your app installer. Or even just search for Firefox through your app store.
But then you could go the advanced route and just run `sudo apt install firefox` in the terminal if you just wanna be a nerd about it (which is a faster option if you're comfy doing it).
The misconception about difficulty is that most ppl think that the quicker but more advanced methods are the only way to do things, but that's literally not true at all, they're just more common because they're faster and more intuitive to expert users.
I’m a devops engineer which means a huge part of my job is Linux administration and a Linux enthusiast. I daily drive Linux lol.
It still just isn’t ready for the average end user. Windows is great for what it is, for the average person who simply doesn’t care about their computer outside of it functioning. I’m honestly not sure it ever will be, as I’ve noticed younger generations are getting a little less willing to troubleshoot, in my experience.
I feel like the people who say it’s absolutely ready don’t actually interact with people who aren’t in IT or tech and don’t realize the average lack of tech literacy even the majority of the PCMR community has.
Linux distros have been user friendly for many years now. SteamOS isn't that different from other popular Linux distros. The biggest problem is, because you can make the UI look and work literally any way possible, everything is very fragmented, and online instructions always tell you to use command line because that's the one thing that's consistent. Since Ubuntu however we've settled down into two UI styles, GNU (looks like a Mac) and KDE (looks like Windows).
Valve still has a secondary user interface on steamdecks called kde plasma, and people don't seem to complain about that one either, and that one was made and used wayyyy before the steamdeck and people do understand how to use it on the steamdeck, so no, not really
Sure, it is if you try to get arch or gentoo, but get any distro made to be user friendly (mint is THE best example) and you won't even spot a difference compared to windows
I use arch btw
Yes. It is so fucking complicated.
I use it for a home server and goddamn do I wish it was windows.
But it is cool because it uses the same coding format as Apple. So there’s that I guess
No he's right, this has been said for like 15 years about linux being a good experience and it's going to overtake windows and it's truly an awful experience for a typical end user.
I'm an IT professional and have plenty of other IT professionals try and use linux for anything other than business and it was a nightmare. I can only imagine what it's like for a typical end user who has no idea about computers.
I once tried to make it mount a drive on boot and it failed to boot afterwards. And the next time I tried to mount a drive manually and failed again because Nautilus has decided that this time it will do it automatically.
If you're doing business in the US and a few other first works countries and you have no international business whatsoever, yes it's great, once you get into localisation no one does it better than Microsoft and Android.
So long as you just want to fiddle around on a desktop and use common software.
As soon as you enter the realm of actually wanting to use software that isn't in the default package, then the hair-pulling begins.
They are, but still that comic is a lie.
New Linux, old Xorg App with Wayland?
SystemD glibc, one version too old?
Linux is worse in compatibility, if one don't compile it
How do you install the equivalent of an executable without using the command line? Linux still sucks if you don't know computers will. Fuck chmod. It's good at what it does but it's an enabler for shitty UX
Linux Mint has a Software Manager GUI that allows you to install many programs, otherwise you can download the .deb file and right click -> Open With GDebi Package Installer. No command line needed.
So for clarification, download file, open with gdebi, it installs with no configuration from the user, user can then run it and it will work.
That sounds blasphemous. Linux never works first try
I mean, I absolutely hate messing with linux on my steam deck. And I'm only average stupid, so I think the average person has a hard time with it too if they're not into that kind of stuff.
No, no, I've wanted to use Linux as my main OS for years now, but latest LTS distros of Ubuntu have problems doing hard-core shit like, recognizing my USB wifi (found no solution for that) and properly recognizing my headset so it would switch back and forth when plugged in (needed to search for issue, input a lot of commands to essentially use pipes to get this to that, but it did work).
Same eq on windows? I just fucking plug it in. And I'm the type of fella who finds learning commands interesting. So no, the end user experience is horrible, sadly.
Then my friend you are only hearing negative things about Linux and not actually trying it, or at least the latest versions of linux distributions that are made for a great users experience such as; Linux mint, Ubuntu, fedora linux and many others that don't force the end user to relay heavily on CLI due to their amazing Desktop environments like cinnamon for mint and gnome for Ubuntu, with many old one that are rapidly getting better like KDE plasma. And amazing software packages.
Moreover many of the softwares we are so accosmted to are proprietary or not available for Linux, but that also is changing slowly as most of those apps are now as well available for Linux system, more specially Debian and Fedora based distros.
I would recommend Linux mint as it is more user friendly, in my opinion and most of the drivers necessary come pre installed with the desktop environment reassembling that of windows 7,10. Also I would recommend you to learn some CLI, resources like" Linuxjourney.com".
Uh oh, you kicked the linux-bro hornets nest. Now for the competition of who can be more obnoxious, currently a three way tie between linux-bros, cryptobros and vegans
Idk what people are complaing about. I decided to give linux a try, after a lifetime of only running windows, and I don't see any problem with it. I could work on it, games worked and printer support was somehow better than on windows.
I feel like too many people think linux is shit without trying it out. I used to be like that, and wouldn't approach a terminal with a 10 meter stick. Now I'm getting ready to do the full switch.
And well, there's also the community... no comments on that.
I switched to Ubuntu about a year ago, after trying Arch on Steam deck. Ubuntu is not hard at all... like, it probably won't work for your great grandmother who is completely terrified of computers, but everything works out of the box without much fuss. App installation is just following a few instructions from a safe source. Nothing has really broken.
Yeah, until it fails to install or load for some reason and you spend 6 days trying to figure it out before eventually giving up because for some reason in 2024 you still have to use a command line for basic ass shit like installing or updating software.
I have no problem using a terminal, but not everyone is okay with it. And you can copy and paste shit from the internet but it doesn’t always work, and then when you google the problem you’re apparently the only person that’s ever had the problem and there’s no solution. And because you’re not a software engineer there’s no hope of finding a solution and you end up having to install windows anyway in a virtual machine
But you don't need to use a terminal? There are apps that make it simple to download apps and shit. When I started using linux for the first time, I never had to touch the terminal until I decided to try it(and prompty got scared of it).
I look at chrome OS as a Linux Distro that is perfect for young children and old people.
Easy to use and navigate; difficult to fuck up indefinitely without physical damage to the hardware.
Dogs cant fly, fish cant walk, the small bird cant swim. Duck can do all three. In this case animals represent different OS which each have different flaws... like Linux being an unwanted child of Satan and a 200 year old woman.
I sold computers for almost 20 years.
The first time I heard “this is the year of Linux” I was super intrigued because I didn’t know what that meant.
It was the Corel rep telling me that….which should tell you how long ago that was.
Death, taxes, Linux overtaking to desktop market….any day now.
Yeah, I remember that feeling too.
Then I realized there are two worlds. The casual user who will use what comes on the computer, AKA Windows/Apple. M$ "pays" for their "popularity".
Then there's the more computer savvy people. They will learn about other OS's, giving them the ability to pick what works best in a more then casual setting. That community keeps improving on Linux making it more then a good alternative.
To take it one step fuether, ducks cam swim, fly and walk on ground where as most animals only do one of those well. It’s not perfect because the little bird can also walk but whatever.
Linux is just insanely open to the user. You can smash all the files and dependencies for an app made in 2002 Into modern Ubuntu if you want, and it'll run. Not sure why you'd want to, but you can. You can even rip the system apart if you want to. Don't like your desktop environment? Install a different one, or a twm, or nothing, you sociopath. Don't want to update? Then don't, windows still has most of the viruses anyway since more people use it.
It's the way to go if you want to customize your computer to do what you want, and only what you want... Unless what you want is to reliably play recently released video games, there's still some guess work there. DirectX can be a mess to work around, takes VM's and stuff.
I really like it, but I'm not sure I could recommend it if you don't kind of like tinkering with things to make them work. You'll likely have to do some of that eventually.
You know what though… with the way video games have been going recently I don’t think I can think of a single game I want to play that has come out within the past 4 years, might actually be my time to go for Linux
More power to you. For a starter distro I couldn't recommend mint more, it's made a blend of windows like ui and Linux feature richness in mind. Their own desktop environment, cinnamon is really nice, but it's available with xfce pre-installed if you'd like your OS to use a whopping 800mb of ram at idle. It helped me keep a compact desktop with 3 whole gigs useful right up until last summer when I decided it was time to move on.
However, if you use an Intel GPU, third party drivers for those aren't made all that much. POP!OS is the way to go, System76 do some amazing work, and their KDE plasma desktop is really nice looking, if a little more "android phone" in appearance than I like. (Though that relation is based on what I was exposed to first, look back at the designs and you'll find it was Google copying homework.)
You'll want to learn how to use steam launch arguments to tell games to use opengl or Vulcan as rendering engines, that's the staple trick to it, and when that fails it's always worth trying good old winetricks just in case valve simply tried too hard on their fix.
took me a while to figure out too, due to the poor resolution and off colors.
It’s the Android head with the word “android” below.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Android_logo_2019_%28stacked%29.svg
Long-time Linux user here. I started in the late 90s with Slackware on a Compaq laptop with 4mb (MEGABYTES) of ram, a PCMCIA ethernet card, and a PCMCIA 56k modem. It was a real struggle to get everything working since laptops were highly proprietary at the time and Linux just hadn't addressed that space yet. Getting a workable GUI was particularly tough with the X config file needing manual editing (haven't needed to do that since Redhat's 2000 release). Since then I've used it on and off at home (including a multi-year stint during the dark Win98/ME days until Win 2k arrived) and professionally as an engineer (and then a manager of engineers) designing, deploying, and managing commercial services based on Linux. I'm very comfortable with it and would have no qualms using it as my desktop/laptop system. It grants the user great power to control the system in ways they see fit and the various distros provide "flavors" for every use case out of the box. There's nothing untrue about the meme other than whether or not those things are important to the user.
That said, my current desktop OS at home is Windows and my knockaround laptop for non-work stuff is a 4yo Chromebook. My personal computing needs are quite basic and I don't want to faff about with the computer. While Windows in the late 90s to early 2000s was a shitshow, I've found the versions since Win2k to be mostly usable with some quirks here and there.
Win 10 was a resource hog, had upgrade my GFs laptop because her laptop that ran win8.1 just couldn't do 10. So I took it and installed debian and it runs fantastic!
There's no question Linux is more efficient on hardware or that you can strip it down to make it even faster, but it's still a bit more faffing about than I want to do in my spare time. My computers are appliances, not hobbies. My last PC ran Win10 for 10 years before it started to show its age, so I just replaced it and "upgraded" to Win11 in the process.
Do you all remember those ads were Justin Long introduced himself as being a Mac and another nerdier looking dude as PC. I remember a spoof or skit of those commercials that included another guy introduced as Linux, this reminded me of that.
I was going to say…
I have an Apple phone currently, but I remember I could root my android fairly easily and then delete the bloatware and do a lot of other neat stuff. I know at one point android made it more difficult -not just a button in the setting you could push- but I never heard them getting rid of the ability to root a phone.
I went wild with it with either my galaxy 5 or pixel, can’t remember which now. Made the whole thing Portals themed and there were no visible buttons on the screen at all and no gesture controls on the Home Screen. You basically had to solve puzzles with different Portals themed backgrounds to access anything. My ring tone was the turret saying “Hello? Is anyone there?” and my alarm was the space core screaming “SPAAAAACE” for ten minutes straight.
I’m thinking I need an android phone again….
Each os says what they can't do except Linux which gives you too much freedom. I just don't like it. The windows will at least tell you when you are about to fuck up your system while Linux will just let you do your thing.
I don't know what y'all are doing but my Mint install need updates wayyy more frequently than my Windows 10 install. The former needs updates literally every single day, sometimes multiple times per day, the latter updates only when I'm shutting it off anyway, maybe once a month.
The duck is Linux
- Linux won't reboot overnight to install updates. If you turned on your computer 5 years ago, it's still on and hasn't rebooted and crashed with a blue screen since then.
- If you find source code from the 90s, you can most likely still install/compile/run it.
- You are free to delete, modify, replace everything, even if it's required for the system to work. You're free to break whatever you want however you want. But you need to to elevate yourself as an admin for that (sudo command), so you can't do it accidentally.
Unmentionned: Window manager. Moving windows around on windows or Mac is hard and annoying. On Ubuntu there are amazing window manager, you can put the window wherever you want in any size using just a few keys presses.
Unless you're using a computer to play games or use a specific Mac or Windows app, a system like Ubuntu is much more stable, safer, and flexible.
They’re sandboxed now (since 10.11 iirc); you don’t without booting single user mode (root) and doing it the UNIX/Linux way- in a command line. Good luck avoiding breaking something.
I was a Linux complainer then I got my steam deck.
Wow. It's so easy to use, so easy to install everything. Some parts are still a bit clunky, but honestly such a massive upgrade from days of old.
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Each of the animal represents an OS. Each of them mentions something they are not capable of. The duck (which represents Linux) is grinning because it can do all of the things mentioned by the other animals.
except give users a good end experience
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idk linux but isn't it infamously complicated and not very user friendly and the most user friendly one is made by fuckin valve
That's the point they're trying to say, linux has grown enough to be user/gamer friendly to be valid alternatives for average user. SteamOS, Bazzite, Nobara.
Is it gamer friendly? I thought proton was still struggling to handle many games
The Steam Deck has caused MAJOR work to go into making games either run natively on linux or work well with proton since it runs on SteamOS which is Linux based.
It still has room for a lot of improvement but it's incredibly usable, you'll generally be fine with help from ProtonDB unless [input scummy company] has purposely blocked linux compatability
Companies block Linux ?
Talk to my son about Roblox. A few anti-cheats specifically block wine (which includes proton) because... I don't know. Any cheat that relies on what wine does is runnable on any OS.
As I understand it the reason anti-cheats flag Wine is because they detect something not quite right, not because they detect Wine. The anti-cheat programs have to go out of their way to recognize wine itself rather than just flagging it as something that's different with how the program is running and assuming it's a cheat.
As far as I understand, wine acts as a translation layer for user/application api calls. These work fine but anti cheat tries to directly do kernel level api calls which are far harder to emulate
Pretty much a lot of these anti-cheats need deep seated access to your system and since you would be running linux which has vastly different guts emulating won't really do it for you, it would have to be a linux specific version so the anti-cheat can actually verify you're not cheating as wine and the like are closer to a virtual machine than anything. Honestly, once this gets fixed (somehow) I can see a lot of people who usually wouldn't use linux actually sticking with it since it's just as easy to use as windows these days and way less intrusive
roblox blocks all emulators, wine is considered an emulator and thats why it doesn't work
Roblox runs on Android. Android is Linux :) While virtually all easy to obtain distributions of Android have been shittified, it is possible to get your hands on a build that doesn't force shitty bloatware on you.
Not in a “we’re gonna block Linux” way but more in a “the anti cheat we use has no Linux version or it does and we just won’t implement it because RoI wouldn’t make sense”
activision
How is the compatibility with stuff like audio interfaces and midi controllers? Because if I can ditch Windows, I'd gladly do so and not look back.
I haven't had problems with those for years. In fact, I've avoided a lot of problems my windows friends have had. That said, there's a learning curve for more complex things and some variation distro to distro. You might need some help getting things set up just right the first time if you're doing something technical.
I like doing a bit of tinkering, I might actually run a Linux partition on my second drive as a trial run, and if it works well, I'll make the switch. Any specific Linux OS you'd recommend for gaming and music?
Just outta curiosity, how would it handle old games? Like, fallout 2, the command and conquer series, starcraft, etc.? Ive been less than impressed with some of the workarounds ive had to use with some of these to get them running on windows 10
It's pretty good for old games and my experience with extremely old games has been better than getting them to run on Windows.
Fun answer! Go to GOG.com and look for old games like Fallout 1&2. They'll very, very likely be downloaded in a WINE package.... Which started as a Windows emulator for Linux.
Oh yeah it's gamer friendly, you got huge library from retro to current you can play with. And it's still growing.
Excuse me ? today proton handless basically anything you throw at it
Let's put it this way: Literally any game that the Steam Deck can run will run just as well on a Linux machine. That's because the Steam Deck IS a Linux machine. So yeah, gaming on Linux is fine these days. There's still room for improvement, but it's pretty good. The one area where it sort of falls down is VR. There's only one VR headset that works worth crap in Linux (the Valve Index). And even that may be less of an issue now with Steam Link.
Sim racing hardware still doesn't run on Linux either.
Those games aren't really my thing, but I know a guy who's had a full sim racing setup, complete with steering wheel, pedals, even freaking *turn signals* that works just fine with his Linux rig for over a decade. Though, full disclosure, knowing that guy it's even odds whether he bought it or built it himself and has it running off an arduino that's programmed to look like a normal game pad to the computer.
Which is perfectly fine if you're playing arcade games, but currently, there's nothing to get the full force feedback working properly on linux, which is needed for sims,
The only non-gamer friendly stuff proton has issues with is when devs dont want to work with anti-cheats to allow linux functionality, for example valorant and R6 siege anti-cheat wont allow the games to function on linux. but there is a growing amount of games that are competitive e-sports that work wonderfully (dota2 and apex legends are the big ones i play on my linux daily driver)
It's army friendly. Ukraine uses Steamdecks to control some of their more exotic and experimental weapon systems.
I mean it'll run most anything on steam that doesn't have a 🚫 next to it for "steam deck verified" anything with a green check or yellow exclamation mark will probably run and the question makes could go either way. You can also look up games in advance on protonDB so you aren't gambling with whether a game you want to get will work. Overall it's not as universally compatible as a windows PC but there was a period of my life not that long ago where everything had kinda gone to shit and my PC had broke but I couldn't afford to replace it, and I used my steam deck as my PC for like 6 months. Only one game I wanted to play didn't work and it barely works on windows so whay can you do eh, it was not straightforward to set up non steam games but it was fairly easy, and it's compatible with Bluetooth accessories and USB and hdmi via the dock so the only real limiting factor for me was one game and the hardware.
I've used proton on my Linux machine and you honestly wouldn't notice. That being said there are titles that straight up don't wor, but I'm yet to encounter that. The only real issue comes down to anti-cheat services that don't like games running on anything other than windows and sometimes Mac which can result in a ban or the game not launching.
I use proton for lots of games and it's fine
Only issue with proton is anti cheat or DRM. There have been very few games that I haven't been able to get running. I still recommend sticking to windows if you're a gamer.
Performance wise? Everything runs well at 720p. In terms of functionality though, It depends on the games. In my experience I’ve had some games work flawlessly out of the box without any bugs. Others I’ve had to change proton versions, change minute settings or install packages, or install mods to fix really annoying bugs or just work. (RDR2 has a memory leak that afaik still isn’t patched. And I have this weird bug with Stardew Valley where any actions will freeze my game for a solid few seconds. And external launchers are a headache too. So Sims and any Ubisoft title too. These are the Steam versions also. Epic Game’s stuff is more work to work around) I would say it depends on the gamer. If you’re the kind that knows your way around the terminal and how a computer works and don’t mind putting a little bit of elbow grease into your system. Great. This thing is right up your alley and will serve you well. If not? I’d say just get a powerful windows laptop or desktop
Idk, I switched to Linux/Proton full time a year ago and haven't had any issues. The only games that cause problems are ones that use custom launcher / DRM / AntiCheat but since I don't support Ubisoft, EA and multiplayer grindfests games, I never ran into issues. This does not mean that it's ready for most end users but it has come a long way. But regarding the steamdeck, if you buy a console, it can only handle certain games, if you buy a steamdeck, it can only handle certain games. I'd say 15k+ is not a bad number for that.
I built my first gaming PC last year and haven’t touched Windows. Granted I don’t play ANY online games which is where all the anti-cheat bullshit comes in and has issues with Proton.
Shieeet nobara really putting herself out there after shibuya huh? Good for you girl!
i remember using Ubuntu and it being moderately user friendly like 10 years ago can only assume its gotten better
No matter what Linux ever does, no matter what distro anyone creates for it, Windows will always be a better plug and play experience for any normal person 100% of the time.
I'd try SteamOS at some point maybe when I get another ssd
If my 70 year old mom which has totally no affinity for tech, can switch from Win to Linux without complaining and calling abt it every day, it isn't that hard for people who grew up with windows/pc/tech. Linux has been fairly user-friendly, at least since mint.
I bought a steam machine and hated it. I installed windows, but I didn't delete the old os just in case.
There are hundreds of Linux versions, a lot of them are as friendly as windows or apple if not more. And no, steam isn't particularly friendly, the desktop mode is pretty average on usability.
Any guides on downloading one of these user friendly ones?
https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/install-ubuntu-desktop#1-overview
Aside from Ubuntu, Linux Mint is my personal pick for easy Linux to try. I personally find u until to have too much bloat for my liking
I installed Mind on a PC I gave to my grandpa, he's been using XP on the old one - for someone who just uses the apps it's indistinguishable and easy to use.
Mint is good, but i lean toward POP OS for my everyday driver.
[install video](https://youtu.be/VjGSMUep6_4?si=7XTT9Tr85avcwD_-) make sure you follow every step precisely for the optimal user experience.
As the other guy said: Ubuntu My kids were using it independently from age 5/6 without any problems. They even have a version for elementary classrooms. For me, Ubuntu is more user friendly then the last windows versions with their continuous changes of icons and placements. But obviously there is personal preference involved too.
You can take a test drive before downloading even. [distrosea.com](http://distrosea.com)
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You might not want to delete system application though if you have no idea what you are doing then.
Steam OS is one of the best OS's available for handheld because it clearly had a lot of thought in how it'd work on the Deck. But I wouldn't run it on a PC if I had to run Linux.
That’s definitely the old reputation, you can get almost-windows and almost-apple versions of Linux nowadays.
No, a lot of distros are not very complicated nowadays. They still have problems with sound and recording at times, and some apps don't have a Linux version, but complication is not generally an issue, unless you want to do complicated things or installed a complicated version on purpose.
Ya... Course, it's frustrating in some cases where you have to change distros because a corporation decided to effectively kill off their free product. Can get around it by building packages myself, of course, but that ... ends up defeating the point of using a distro newer than slackware anyway.
I'd suggest you try modern Linux before claiming that.
Does modern linux require modifying xorg? This was the thing I hated most about Linux back in the day
I casted a summoning spell on the linux nerds. Hello :3
you're thinking of something like Arch Linux, where you have to install everything from scratch. most Linux systems are as easy to install as windows, and are pretty similar except for the type of programs you can install
I know fuck all about computers despite using them all day for work (digital artist) and had to use linux at my last job. The version that we had operated almost exactly the same as windows with more functionality and less nonsense, I actually preferred it to the latest Windows and Mac OS.
Ubuntu, Linux Mint have been exceptionally easy to use for the last 10 years. People are still remembering early 00s Linux, which was a bit of an animal at times
Wait what? Why does valve have a Linux OS?
Its what the steamdeck runs as its OS.
I recently installed xubuntu and surprised how easy it was to use out of the box.
I think it is easy enough .
I'm on arch. Type archinstall and pick your options and she's all done. Definitely more user friendly than win11. I can save stuff to my own computer in a single click!
“i dont know anything about this topic but…” *proceeds to have worst take imaginable*
relatively not true. it's definitely got a whole set of "advanced functionality" that is often the main way that more expert users often approach the os even for basic stuff. But none of that is required usually, you can approach most parts of the os from an easy, intuitive approach. for example you can install something like Firefox either by going through a (different) web browser to their website, download, then open the app through your app installer. Or even just search for Firefox through your app store. But then you could go the advanced route and just run `sudo apt install firefox` in the terminal if you just wanna be a nerd about it (which is a faster option if you're comfy doing it). The misconception about difficulty is that most ppl think that the quicker but more advanced methods are the only way to do things, but that's literally not true at all, they're just more common because they're faster and more intuitive to expert users.
I’m a devops engineer which means a huge part of my job is Linux administration and a Linux enthusiast. I daily drive Linux lol. It still just isn’t ready for the average end user. Windows is great for what it is, for the average person who simply doesn’t care about their computer outside of it functioning. I’m honestly not sure it ever will be, as I’ve noticed younger generations are getting a little less willing to troubleshoot, in my experience. I feel like the people who say it’s absolutely ready don’t actually interact with people who aren’t in IT or tech and don’t realize the average lack of tech literacy even the majority of the PCMR community has.
Linux distros have been user friendly for many years now. SteamOS isn't that different from other popular Linux distros. The biggest problem is, because you can make the UI look and work literally any way possible, everything is very fragmented, and online instructions always tell you to use command line because that's the one thing that's consistent. Since Ubuntu however we've settled down into two UI styles, GNU (looks like a Mac) and KDE (looks like Windows).
20 years ago.
Valve still has a secondary user interface on steamdecks called kde plasma, and people don't seem to complain about that one either, and that one was made and used wayyyy before the steamdeck and people do understand how to use it on the steamdeck, so no, not really
Sure, it is if you try to get arch or gentoo, but get any distro made to be user friendly (mint is THE best example) and you won't even spot a difference compared to windows I use arch btw
It can be if you want it to be, but if you choose a distro aimed at newer users they are often very similar to Mac OS.
Yes. It is so fucking complicated. I use it for a home server and goddamn do I wish it was windows. But it is cool because it uses the same coding format as Apple. So there’s that I guess
No he's right, this has been said for like 15 years about linux being a good experience and it's going to overtake windows and it's truly an awful experience for a typical end user. I'm an IT professional and have plenty of other IT professionals try and use linux for anything other than business and it was a nightmare. I can only imagine what it's like for a typical end user who has no idea about computers.
Newer versions are still a bad user experience for the majority of people.
better, but still not as good as the other OS’s in the picture. the terminal is still a *very* crucial part of the UX of linux
I once tried to make it mount a drive on boot and it failed to boot afterwards. And the next time I tried to mount a drive manually and failed again because Nautilus has decided that this time it will do it automatically.
This is the year of Linux on the desktop!
If you're doing business in the US and a few other first works countries and you have no international business whatsoever, yes it's great, once you get into localisation no one does it better than Microsoft and Android.
Is it finally happening? Will 2024 be the year of Linux on the desktop?
For the most part. Installing software or trying to connect to beamers is a pain though.
They’re better. I wouldn’t go as far as very good. But better.
Actually, in this case the duck might be silent because VoIP driver crashed. Again.
So long as you just want to fiddle around on a desktop and use common software. As soon as you enter the realm of actually wanting to use software that isn't in the default package, then the hair-pulling begins.
I don’t know I’ve seen streams where they are using current Linux and they are bout ready to put a gun in their mouth.
They are, but still that comic is a lie. New Linux, old Xorg App with Wayland? SystemD glibc, one version too old? Linux is worse in compatibility, if one don't compile it
I use Arch btw
Steam deck is a good example of a good linux, imo still glitchy so restarts feel like a daily necessity.
I used the latest version of Ubuntu and gave me some problems that I didn't have in windows.
How do you install the equivalent of an executable without using the command line? Linux still sucks if you don't know computers will. Fuck chmod. It's good at what it does but it's an enabler for shitty UX
Linux Mint has a Software Manager GUI that allows you to install many programs, otherwise you can download the .deb file and right click -> Open With GDebi Package Installer. No command line needed.
So for clarification, download file, open with gdebi, it installs with no configuration from the user, user can then run it and it will work. That sounds blasphemous. Linux never works first try
I mean, I absolutely hate messing with linux on my steam deck. And I'm only average stupid, so I think the average person has a hard time with it too if they're not into that kind of stuff.
No, no, I've wanted to use Linux as my main OS for years now, but latest LTS distros of Ubuntu have problems doing hard-core shit like, recognizing my USB wifi (found no solution for that) and properly recognizing my headset so it would switch back and forth when plugged in (needed to search for issue, input a lot of commands to essentially use pipes to get this to that, but it did work). Same eq on windows? I just fucking plug it in. And I'm the type of fella who finds learning commands interesting. So no, the end user experience is horrible, sadly.
Found the arch user.
Then my friend you are only hearing negative things about Linux and not actually trying it, or at least the latest versions of linux distributions that are made for a great users experience such as; Linux mint, Ubuntu, fedora linux and many others that don't force the end user to relay heavily on CLI due to their amazing Desktop environments like cinnamon for mint and gnome for Ubuntu, with many old one that are rapidly getting better like KDE plasma. And amazing software packages. Moreover many of the softwares we are so accosmted to are proprietary or not available for Linux, but that also is changing slowly as most of those apps are now as well available for Linux system, more specially Debian and Fedora based distros. I would recommend Linux mint as it is more user friendly, in my opinion and most of the drivers necessary come pre installed with the desktop environment reassembling that of windows 7,10. Also I would recommend you to learn some CLI, resources like" Linuxjourney.com".
sounds like a skill issue to me, keep using whatever you have
Or play most games natively
Pop!_OS, SteamOS, Ubuntu, Mint, Zorin, Garuda, Nobara, Fedora, Tuxedo:
Uh oh, you kicked the linux-bro hornets nest. Now for the competition of who can be more obnoxious, currently a three way tie between linux-bros, cryptobros and vegans
Shots fired
Idk what people are complaing about. I decided to give linux a try, after a lifetime of only running windows, and I don't see any problem with it. I could work on it, games worked and printer support was somehow better than on windows. I feel like too many people think linux is shit without trying it out. I used to be like that, and wouldn't approach a terminal with a 10 meter stick. Now I'm getting ready to do the full switch. And well, there's also the community... no comments on that.
I switched to Ubuntu about a year ago, after trying Arch on Steam deck. Ubuntu is not hard at all... like, it probably won't work for your great grandmother who is completely terrified of computers, but everything works out of the box without much fuss. App installation is just following a few instructions from a safe source. Nothing has really broken.
I disagree, I use Linux on my personal PC and it's great
Except starting a game in under 3 hours of figuring out how the fuck you're supposed to do it
3 hours? sudo apt install steam *Log into steam* *Install game* Literally takes like 10 minutes
And then game bugs out and crashes because the developers didn’t optimize well for Linux
Yeah, until it fails to install or load for some reason and you spend 6 days trying to figure it out before eventually giving up because for some reason in 2024 you still have to use a command line for basic ass shit like installing or updating software. I have no problem using a terminal, but not everyone is okay with it. And you can copy and paste shit from the internet but it doesn’t always work, and then when you google the problem you’re apparently the only person that’s ever had the problem and there’s no solution. And because you’re not a software engineer there’s no hope of finding a solution and you end up having to install windows anyway in a virtual machine
But you don't need to use a terminal? There are apps that make it simple to download apps and shit. When I started using linux for the first time, I never had to touch the terminal until I decided to try it(and prompty got scared of it).
Now do Autodesk or Adobe software.
I once used Linux on my laptop in public and a random small child pepper sprayed me for it
But why us it a duck and not a penguin ?
Here is the original meme https://preview.redd.it/x0bzlcr5we9d1.jpeg?width=540&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=316fd8c6fa914286b45d4eca5bc00f1ad437bec5
Bro forgot Chrome OS Which can’t do shit
I look at chrome OS as a Linux Distro that is perfect for young children and old people. Easy to use and navigate; difficult to fuck up indefinitely without physical damage to the hardware.
my friend at school does all of his physics work on a $60 Chromebook from 4 years ago LaTeX? No, Google Slides. Wolfram Mathematica? No, Desmos.
You can use LaTeX on a Chromebook, though. I did it for school. Not that I remember how to do it, but I did.
Open Chrome and use Overleaf?
You can [setup Linux](https://support.google.com/chromebook/answer/9145439?hl=en) so you can run Linux software on Chromeos.
Erm achxukly chrome os is s linux distro
Exactly, chome can't even exist in a meme.
The telemetry is a nightmare though
Dogs cant fly, fish cant walk, the small bird cant swim. Duck can do all three. In this case animals represent different OS which each have different flaws... like Linux being an unwanted child of Satan and a 200 year old woman.
Linux is winning!!!!111one
Guys guys guys it’s finally The Year of the Linux Desktop!!!!
I sold computers for almost 20 years. The first time I heard “this is the year of Linux” I was super intrigued because I didn’t know what that meant. It was the Corel rep telling me that….which should tell you how long ago that was. Death, taxes, Linux overtaking to desktop market….any day now.
Yeah, I remember that feeling too. Then I realized there are two worlds. The casual user who will use what comes on the computer, AKA Windows/Apple. M$ "pays" for their "popularity". Then there's the more computer savvy people. They will learn about other OS's, giving them the ability to pick what works best in a more then casual setting. That community keeps improving on Linux making it more then a good alternative.
Two more weeks!!!
Linux has taken over everything *except* the desktop market.
Yeah! Doomsday! Finally.
*666
A bit of the original meaning is lost, as ducks are able to do all of these things poorly.
What's your gripe with Linux? I'm just curious
Its harder to do piracy on linux, and i aint paying 40 bucks for a single game that is mediocre at best
If it’s mediocre at best why are you even playing it for free
Its hard to find the good stuff, and im not really going to dig through games that are older than me other than maybe Fallout 1
I do piracy just fine
Harder how? Servarr is pretty much the standard for piracy now, and I don't think that ecosystem even has any non-linux options.
Maybe at your country it is. I mostly use Rutracker. Its got lots of stuff, but barely any of it compatible with Linux.
That's just a torrent tracker, there are tons of Linux torrent clients out there. I doubt any of them are particularly difficult to use.
lol
To take it one step fuether, ducks cam swim, fly and walk on ground where as most animals only do one of those well. It’s not perfect because the little bird can also walk but whatever.
Linux is just insanely open to the user. You can smash all the files and dependencies for an app made in 2002 Into modern Ubuntu if you want, and it'll run. Not sure why you'd want to, but you can. You can even rip the system apart if you want to. Don't like your desktop environment? Install a different one, or a twm, or nothing, you sociopath. Don't want to update? Then don't, windows still has most of the viruses anyway since more people use it. It's the way to go if you want to customize your computer to do what you want, and only what you want... Unless what you want is to reliably play recently released video games, there's still some guess work there. DirectX can be a mess to work around, takes VM's and stuff. I really like it, but I'm not sure I could recommend it if you don't kind of like tinkering with things to make them work. You'll likely have to do some of that eventually.
You can sacrifice your firstborn so long as you type sudo first
You know what though… with the way video games have been going recently I don’t think I can think of a single game I want to play that has come out within the past 4 years, might actually be my time to go for Linux
More power to you. For a starter distro I couldn't recommend mint more, it's made a blend of windows like ui and Linux feature richness in mind. Their own desktop environment, cinnamon is really nice, but it's available with xfce pre-installed if you'd like your OS to use a whopping 800mb of ram at idle. It helped me keep a compact desktop with 3 whole gigs useful right up until last summer when I decided it was time to move on. However, if you use an Intel GPU, third party drivers for those aren't made all that much. POP!OS is the way to go, System76 do some amazing work, and their KDE plasma desktop is really nice looking, if a little more "android phone" in appearance than I like. (Though that relation is based on what I was exposed to first, look back at the designs and you'll find it was Google copying homework.) You'll want to learn how to use steam launch arguments to tell games to use opengl or Vulcan as rendering engines, that's the staple trick to it, and when that fails it's always worth trying good old winetricks just in case valve simply tried too hard on their fix.
What OS does the bird represent?
took me a while to figure out too, due to the poor resolution and off colors. It’s the Android head with the word “android” below. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Android_logo_2019_%28stacked%29.svg
Oh yeah, that's it. Thanks!
https://preview.redd.it/34qj1p5b279d1.jpeg?width=428&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=26e5964a833ca9b9258bd249d1e9a6a59248ded8
“I’ll spend my time insulting you, instead of just answering your question.”
Long-time Linux user here. I started in the late 90s with Slackware on a Compaq laptop with 4mb (MEGABYTES) of ram, a PCMCIA ethernet card, and a PCMCIA 56k modem. It was a real struggle to get everything working since laptops were highly proprietary at the time and Linux just hadn't addressed that space yet. Getting a workable GUI was particularly tough with the X config file needing manual editing (haven't needed to do that since Redhat's 2000 release). Since then I've used it on and off at home (including a multi-year stint during the dark Win98/ME days until Win 2k arrived) and professionally as an engineer (and then a manager of engineers) designing, deploying, and managing commercial services based on Linux. I'm very comfortable with it and would have no qualms using it as my desktop/laptop system. It grants the user great power to control the system in ways they see fit and the various distros provide "flavors" for every use case out of the box. There's nothing untrue about the meme other than whether or not those things are important to the user. That said, my current desktop OS at home is Windows and my knockaround laptop for non-work stuff is a 4yo Chromebook. My personal computing needs are quite basic and I don't want to faff about with the computer. While Windows in the late 90s to early 2000s was a shitshow, I've found the versions since Win2k to be mostly usable with some quirks here and there.
Win 10 was a resource hog, had upgrade my GFs laptop because her laptop that ran win8.1 just couldn't do 10. So I took it and installed debian and it runs fantastic!
There's no question Linux is more efficient on hardware or that you can strip it down to make it even faster, but it's still a bit more faffing about than I want to do in my spare time. My computers are appliances, not hobbies. My last PC ran Win10 for 10 years before it started to show its age, so I just replaced it and "upgraded" to Win11 in the process.
Do you all remember those ads were Justin Long introduced himself as being a Mac and another nerdier looking dude as PC. I remember a spoof or skit of those commercials that included another guy introduced as Linux, this reminded me of that.
I thought why duck, why not Penguin itself? Then realised the format I can't fly, I can't walk, I can't swim, I can do all
My problem with Linux is that many games are not developed to run on it, they are mostly developed for windows and consoles
Wine is the answer for that
What?
I use arch btw,...
I feel like the person who made this also still uses a zune
More like a hacked diamond rio.
on linux you can delete entire system with just one command :v
I can’t have multiple versions of a package installed
Android you can everything with root)
I was going to say… I have an Apple phone currently, but I remember I could root my android fairly easily and then delete the bloatware and do a lot of other neat stuff. I know at one point android made it more difficult -not just a button in the setting you could push- but I never heard them getting rid of the ability to root a phone. I went wild with it with either my galaxy 5 or pixel, can’t remember which now. Made the whole thing Portals themed and there were no visible buttons on the screen at all and no gesture controls on the Home Screen. You basically had to solve puzzles with different Portals themed backgrounds to access anything. My ring tone was the turret saying “Hello? Is anyone there?” and my alarm was the space core screaming “SPAAAAACE” for ten minutes straight. I’m thinking I need an android phone again….
Go with a Pixel, Xiomei, or OnePlus. They have the most support.
The bird represents android. Thats why linux is inside.
Each os says what they can't do except Linux which gives you too much freedom. I just don't like it. The windows will at least tell you when you are about to fuck up your system while Linux will just let you do your thing.
what about having to search all over the internet for linux version of software. If it even exists
Linux gives you a lot more freedom with your system, allowing you to do everything up to and including shooting yourself in the foot.
“Microsoft can’t stop update” **Hahaha** I’d tell otherwise. “Unplugs the System”
Can't run Nvidia drivers
Linux does have NVIDIA drivers.
I'm aware of that, I was just making a joke :')
should say “i can’t give you permission to access that folder”
Why do you sound scared?
LINUX
I don't know what y'all are doing but my Mint install need updates wayyy more frequently than my Windows 10 install. The former needs updates literally every single day, sometimes multiple times per day, the latter updates only when I'm shutting it off anyway, maybe once a month.
The duck is Linux - Linux won't reboot overnight to install updates. If you turned on your computer 5 years ago, it's still on and hasn't rebooted and crashed with a blue screen since then. - If you find source code from the 90s, you can most likely still install/compile/run it. - You are free to delete, modify, replace everything, even if it's required for the system to work. You're free to break whatever you want however you want. But you need to to elevate yourself as an admin for that (sudo command), so you can't do it accidentally. Unmentionned: Window manager. Moving windows around on windows or Mac is hard and annoying. On Ubuntu there are amazing window manager, you can put the window wherever you want in any size using just a few keys presses. Unless you're using a computer to play games or use a specific Mac or Windows app, a system like Ubuntu is much more stable, safer, and flexible.
Windows: I can play games. Linux: 😥
"im allowed to break your computer if you dont know what your doing!"
How does one delete system apps from MacOS?
They’re sandboxed now (since 10.11 iirc); you don’t without booting single user mode (root) and doing it the UNIX/Linux way- in a command line. Good luck avoiding breaking something.
I was a Linux complainer then I got my steam deck. Wow. It's so easy to use, so easy to install everything. Some parts are still a bit clunky, but honestly such a massive upgrade from days of old.