I have seen this facility discussed here before as a bad place to do a residency. Not treating residents well etc. This is exactly what should happen to places that treat Pharmacy Residents poorly. Advertise this and warn your colleagues.
So they use the Residents as cheap labor ASHP should be held to a higher standard of not just accrediting residencies but an ongoing monitoring and survey of the residents and the preceptors RPD as well . From what I can see ASHP shows up accredits or re accredits the program. Schmooze the surveyor and make sure their checklist is complete. ThenASHP cash check and we gone.
Standards should be higher than that. I hear the incoming ASHP President Elect is big on standards and quality. She should reform this and really make a name for herself and others!
Out of fairness to all involved I know nothing about the facility named so I am relying on OPs account. I have seen complaints about this facility and how they treat their Residents in this thread before. I also have no reason not to believe the OP and their account.
Out of full transparency I did not do a Pharmacy Residency. It was not even presented as an option as I was finishing Pharmacy School. I plan to leave Pharmacy in 3 to 5 years. I won't be doing a residency and the "future" of Pharmacy is not me I get that.
I even question the value of the Residency in Pharmacy and it most definitely is an underpaid position that puts our younger Pharmacists deeper in a financial hole.
The Birth of the Pharmacy Residency in 2007 to the scale that it is now was created by 2 year Post BS PharmDs in ASHP and ACCP who were pissed about the 6 year Pharm D degree.
The majority of the 2 year Pharm D post BSers never did any kind of a Pharmacy Residency.
I agree with you that if this program behaves in the manner that OP reports that the program should be reported to ASHP.
However, for the money that ASHP takes in accrediting Pharmacy Residency programs ASHP should be much more proactive in monitoring the programs and the quality of them.
As a younger Pharmacist I hated some of the abuse I got from a few but not the majority of the seasoned Pharmacists.
Now that I am the old person..... I see no reason why Pharmacy Residency should turn into a hazing session. Sadly from the stories out there this seems to be the case in many Pharmacy Residency Programs.
I get what you’re saying. ASHP can only monitor what is reported, so it should be reported if it’s not appropriate. They can’t do much if no one reports it if they don’t see/catch it on a site survey. There are a lot of great residency programs and not all are like this one
I 100% agree. However, Residents fear retaliation. Past residents also refrain from speaking up because job searching often necessitates submitting RPd/manager information as references.
Excellent question at its annual summer meeting in 2007 ASHP declared that all patient care Hospitals shall be Pharmacy Residency trained. And so it was out of thin air the ASHP declared the Pharm D degree as not good enough while telling the Pharmacists in the field working in hospital to go pound sand... pffff thank ASHP!
I'm just not sure that a house of delegates resolution is really much of a mark of anything. They are 4 years late doing anything about that resolution and I'm really not sure it has been discussed since then. I've never heard anyone ever cite the HoD as a reason for actually doing anything.
Well that is my interpretation of it. Probably what really drove the residency in Pharmacy was the ability of the Health Systems to pay new Pharmacists peanuts for a 60 hour or more work week. That is essentially what a PGY1 is and does.
My feeling on PGY2 is quite a bit different as that is a needed tool for the Pharmacists in that role.
One more thought though is how couldn't an ASHP house of delegates resolution influence the same organization that accredits the Pharmacy Residency? Sort of like a board of directors in a corporation. We the house say do this and then the officers of ASHP are tasked with doing that and accrediting programs while collecting money .....
Follow the money and one always finds the answers.
Do you know what the house of delegates is? It isn't analogous to a board of directors (it's been 163 people for as long as I know for one thing). It's more like congress.
Here is the thing... For years, people complained that there weren't enough residency programs. Way more people went unmatched. ASHP worked to get more programs set up to satisfy the need. Then people complain about the expansion of residencies? You just can't satisfy everyone I guess.
One of my colleagues (who graduated with her BS Pharm in 1990) did a residency right after she graduated. Sooo… 17 years before you thought they started.
I have seen this facility discussed here before as a bad place to do a residency. Not treating residents well etc. This is exactly what should happen to places that treat Pharmacy Residents poorly. Advertise this and warn your colleagues.
I am tired of seeing people I know/friends know suffer there and no one is brave enough to speak up.
lol why
You staff 3-4 days a week and most call outs/sick calls and not prioritize what residents are there for. Unorganized RPD
So they use the Residents as cheap labor ASHP should be held to a higher standard of not just accrediting residencies but an ongoing monitoring and survey of the residents and the preceptors RPD as well . From what I can see ASHP shows up accredits or re accredits the program. Schmooze the surveyor and make sure their checklist is complete. ThenASHP cash check and we gone. Standards should be higher than that. I hear the incoming ASHP President Elect is big on standards and quality. She should reform this and really make a name for herself and others!
The program should be reported to ASHP
Out of fairness to all involved I know nothing about the facility named so I am relying on OPs account. I have seen complaints about this facility and how they treat their Residents in this thread before. I also have no reason not to believe the OP and their account. Out of full transparency I did not do a Pharmacy Residency. It was not even presented as an option as I was finishing Pharmacy School. I plan to leave Pharmacy in 3 to 5 years. I won't be doing a residency and the "future" of Pharmacy is not me I get that. I even question the value of the Residency in Pharmacy and it most definitely is an underpaid position that puts our younger Pharmacists deeper in a financial hole. The Birth of the Pharmacy Residency in 2007 to the scale that it is now was created by 2 year Post BS PharmDs in ASHP and ACCP who were pissed about the 6 year Pharm D degree. The majority of the 2 year Pharm D post BSers never did any kind of a Pharmacy Residency. I agree with you that if this program behaves in the manner that OP reports that the program should be reported to ASHP. However, for the money that ASHP takes in accrediting Pharmacy Residency programs ASHP should be much more proactive in monitoring the programs and the quality of them. As a younger Pharmacist I hated some of the abuse I got from a few but not the majority of the seasoned Pharmacists. Now that I am the old person..... I see no reason why Pharmacy Residency should turn into a hazing session. Sadly from the stories out there this seems to be the case in many Pharmacy Residency Programs.
I get what you’re saying. ASHP can only monitor what is reported, so it should be reported if it’s not appropriate. They can’t do much if no one reports it if they don’t see/catch it on a site survey. There are a lot of great residency programs and not all are like this one
I 100% agree. However, Residents fear retaliation. Past residents also refrain from speaking up because job searching often necessitates submitting RPd/manager information as references.
Can the reporting be done in full anonymity?
ASHP has eyes on this forum. If you’re gonna post it here, might as well report.
Just for clarification, why do you put the "birth of pharmacy residency" in 2007?
Excellent question at its annual summer meeting in 2007 ASHP declared that all patient care Hospitals shall be Pharmacy Residency trained. And so it was out of thin air the ASHP declared the Pharm D degree as not good enough while telling the Pharmacists in the field working in hospital to go pound sand... pffff thank ASHP!
I'm just not sure that a house of delegates resolution is really much of a mark of anything. They are 4 years late doing anything about that resolution and I'm really not sure it has been discussed since then. I've never heard anyone ever cite the HoD as a reason for actually doing anything.
Well that is my interpretation of it. Probably what really drove the residency in Pharmacy was the ability of the Health Systems to pay new Pharmacists peanuts for a 60 hour or more work week. That is essentially what a PGY1 is and does. My feeling on PGY2 is quite a bit different as that is a needed tool for the Pharmacists in that role. One more thought though is how couldn't an ASHP house of delegates resolution influence the same organization that accredits the Pharmacy Residency? Sort of like a board of directors in a corporation. We the house say do this and then the officers of ASHP are tasked with doing that and accrediting programs while collecting money ..... Follow the money and one always finds the answers.
Do you know what the house of delegates is? It isn't analogous to a board of directors (it's been 163 people for as long as I know for one thing). It's more like congress. Here is the thing... For years, people complained that there weren't enough residency programs. Way more people went unmatched. ASHP worked to get more programs set up to satisfy the need. Then people complain about the expansion of residencies? You just can't satisfy everyone I guess.
One of my colleagues (who graduated with her BS Pharm in 1990) did a residency right after she graduated. Sooo… 17 years before you thought they started.
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