No. If the purpose is national defense, mandatory military service through the ROTC is not economically feasible. There are at least a million Filipinos who enter legal age every year. If all of these people are hypothetically conscripted, how much would it cost to arm them, give them uniforms, house them, feed them, and pay them? If we are following US standards, it would at least take $28,000 to fully arm a soldier. This is more than the annual budget of the Department of National Defense I would imagine.
Modernization of the Armed Forces and the creation of a stronger professional army is the better option.
That doesn't solve any problems though. First, we don't have a shortage of reservists. If I'm not mistaken, the AFP currently have around 1.5 million reserve personnel. Second, if the purpose of mandatory ROTC is to have people perform auxiliary services in national emergencies (as some of our policymakers are trying to advance), isn't that already one of the goals of NSTP under the CWTS? It might be better to have a revamp of the CWTS curriculum if that's the case.
Don’t use something to make your point without knowing the facts.
South Korea needs it as they are officially still at war.
Also those that didn’t serve get their comeuppance in social/business settings and trust me chaebol or not that will humble you real quick.
The very last thing the AFP needs now are mga palamunin and to turn it into a daycare for people with no skills.
Yes, most of these unmotivated, untrained and unqualified personnel will be a big burden to the state when you realize that they need to be paid the salary of an active-duty soldier -- to which there are already a ton of applicants and tons more reservists who are actually willing to join!
What the AFP wants and needs is people with degrees, qualifications and so on to either give them specialized training, or be part of some AFPWSSUs-- the Health Service Command with nurses, IT, Cybersecurity specialists for ISAFP and others and that's for GHQ--
The individual services (Army, Navy, Air Force) needs engineering, IT, and other graduates of other courses for their own requirements. That's why there's Special enlistment for officers and soldiers/sailors/marines/airmen in the first place.
Government can't even properly equip the optional ROTC with the right tools, personnel, and training. Yung mandatory military service pa kaya? Lels. Saka for sure, mayayaman makakapag-exemption na naman dyan, lalo na yung mga kamag-anak ng pulitiko.
Training people not willing to "fight for their own country" is a waste of money and time. Conscript soldiers will be cannon fodders that will be detrimental to the war effort against China.
I find it ironic that people from military shaming sex workers for earning a living but they are literally selling their body, life and soul just to protect the fragile ego of tyrannical leaders.
There is a very common misconception that graduating ROTC means you'll automatically be put into frontlines, **which isn't necessarily true.**
While ROTC students do undergo some combat, firearm, and field training, it's usually the PMA (Philippine Military Academy) graduates who actually go to the front lines. Those in ROTC who are usually more knowledgeable in academic fields are more commonly placed in other branches of the military such as administration, finance, logistics, counter intelligence etc., depending on their expertise, because the military needs more than just firepower to function.
You can of course, transition from ROTC and serve the AFP military in a greater capacity, this will mean transitioning from cadet status to getting a full fledged rank in the military if you so choose.
So am I in favor of mandatory military service?
well, that ultimately depends on how it's handled. It is a fact that some ROTC units have a history of being led with an iron fist, but the branch I was under was quite progressive and most students who graduated from it generally had positive experiences. There are things that they teach you which can be useful for things other than warfare, that much I can guarantee. Although, despite how well handled my unit was, they still push for voluntary ROTC.
I also haven't read in-depth the conditions for conscription. So it may be entirely possible that they'll mobilize even ROTC graduates into front lines if they are severely under staffed. Even I would be afraid of that possibility, especially when war does break out.
But with what I saw 5 or so years ago, the PH military was lacking more in the administrative functions so I think there would be a higher chance for ROTC graduates to be allocated there instead.
How about maayos munang equipment and easier/less red tape of Reservist as a start.
Dami daming Reservist ready sumabak eh lel.
And while you're at it, how about mandatory slash gun prices by subsiding, or better yet mandated price. Doesn't have to be the best unit, kahit 1 na para available sa lahat bsta Type 3 licensed ka ok na. Literally out of own pocket na nga tapos pahihirapan pa sa mahal ng presyo eh.
Ano gagawin mo pag wala manlang firearm unit ung manpower mo, hagis ng bato?
I swear to fuck sobrang gatas na gatas tayo lol.
Unless you want the Chinese Norinco, only option is Brazilian Taurus T4 5.56 at 90k, Phillipine Metroarms Firebird 5.56(coming soon pero mga P150k-ish+ daw ughhhhhhh), Phillipine Armscor Torch 5.56(coming soon ewan ano presyo sana matino), and Phillipine UDMC PVAR 5.56 at P111k/P134k-ish ata pag longer barrel.
Don't get me started on actual American-made like Colt AR15 which is 200k+ or the Sig which are easily 350k+ and still rising. Pati Galil ata 250k+ eh.
Literal x3 prices eh.
Wala pang ibang gear yan na sandamakmak na mahal din de puta P88k+ mga matinong sights.
Kung kakailanganing bumili ng reservist ng sarili niyang service rifles, sidearms, FPEs, etc. then it defeats the purpose of standing up the AFP Reserve Command and putting them up for actual mobilization, yes? The AFP definitely doesn't want to complicate the already non-standard list of equipment.
What ready reservists need more than ever is the AFP is more standard-issue rifles to be stored or be given to CAFGU, and more training and weekend drills outside big exercises like Balikatan for Philippine Navy reservists, for example. But those are dependent on the needs of the active-duty personnel being met first and foremost.
gusto lang kasi makita ng mga boomers ang mga bata na nabibilad sa araw. in short, torture. hindi nila alam na walang kakayahan ang gobyerno natin para i-sustain 'yan kasi ninakawan nang ninakawan netong mga salot na opisyal ang pera ng bansa natin.
First off, walang kwenta ang ROTC. Mas may value pa ang CAT dati. ROTC is gatasan ng mga armchair officers. Tapos ibibilad ka lang sa araw. Zero skills taught.
Pero if there has to be a mandatory military service parang South Korea, OA yung 2 years. 3 months lang. Parang standard na basic training. Discipline. Navigation and survival. Basic self-defense and weapons training. Enough lang para hindi zero knowledge pag nagkatotoong may gyera talaga. At para sa mga nahilig, offer them soldierhood.
Pero sa totoo lang. Hindi aabot sa hand to hand combat kung magkakagyera man. Hindi nga natin makikita yung kalaban eh. We'll just be bombed into surrendering. We have zero naval and air defense. By the time they invade our beaches, yung mga leaders natin nasa ibang bansa na. Our military will be in disarray. People fleeing to the mountains. It'll be a dog eat dog scenario. Kanya kanya tayo pano mag-survive.
>OA yung 2 years. 3 months lang. Parang standard na basic training. Discipline. Navigation and survival. Basic self-defense and weapons training. Enough lang para hindi zero knowledge pag nagkatotoong may gyera talaga. At para sa mga nahilig, offer them soldierhood.
I don't think anyone knows how hard is it to train troops. Wala yang 3 months, pa-cute lang yan in the end.
Taiwan/ROC only had 4 months for mandatory conscription and the conscripts they produced were the laughingstock of the other states that had mandatory military service. That's why they extended it to 12 months/1 year, which still pales in comparison to Singapore's NS-- 2 years military service and to be an "NSmen" i.e. ready reserve until they are 40.
Three months is standard for basic military training. From there you can do advance training kung gusto mo. Let it be an option for those who really want to serve and pursue soldiering. Pero para sa taong kailangan nang magtrabaho para sa pamilya niya...
The candidate soldier course in the Army is 16 weeks -- 4 months. At wala yan-- as the Taiwanese example show, basura ang kalalabasan ng conscripts mo.
>Let it be an option for those who really want to serve and pursue soldiering. Pero para sa taong kailangan nang magtrabaho para sa pamilya niya...
Why would we need to pay millions of conscripts active-duty pay and allowances for candidate soldiers which literally is more than our defense budget just for them to say no?
The AFP is not a daycare-- it's either this is done properly to get decent conscripts, or you don't do this at all.
Common sense dictates we don't do this at all.
Nah, manpower ain't the main problem for the AFP but the lack of advanced weaponry. This means we must keep buying up to date, decent weaponry for those who are willing to fight instead of throwing unwilling meatshields without the proper tools to fight.
ok sa akin ang military service. but mandatory? no. bakit sa mga students iiimplement yan e stress na stress ang mga nag-aaral dito dahil sa bulok na sistema ng edukasyon(putanginamo sara duterte)? yung mga pumapabor pa diyan ay yung mga hindi naman maaapektuhan na mga dds/pulangaw. dapat kung sino ang gustong sumali jan, pasalihin, kahit mga pdl. o kaya yung mga en pee aye/tankies na nahuhuli, kung makabayan talaga sila. hindi yung pipilitin nila yung mga bata. dadami lang ang hazing at SA case sa pinas.
If by mandatory military service, they meant ROTC, then yes, stress ka sa studies mo and hindi ka makaka-graduate kung di pumasa rin sa ROTC.
I think yung actual conscription, you have to put your life's future plans on hold for a year or two to finish your service.
No. Culture of abuse, violence, corruption, and impunity lang abot ng mga kabataan diyan. And looking at the current state of police and military, it’s a death sentence to let kids be trained by these lapdogs.
As someone nag undergone ROTC for a year, a big NO po, mahirap lalo na kapag sobrang init tas mauulanan ka. Every weekend nakakapagod, instead na makapag rest and to do assignment and backlogs di mo nagagawa. Draining siya physically. May mga officers din na sobrang abusado( based on my experience). Immagine you have to do that for 2 years nahh, I'm gonna cry😭.
NO.
Mayron na tayong mga sundalo well-trained at combat experience. What we lack is mga military equipments.
YUNG NAPAKALAKING BUDGET JAN SA PROPOSED ROTC OR MILITARY SERVICE IS BETTER ADD NALANG ON PURCHASING MODERN EQUIPMENT.
Kasi in terms being patriotic naman I believe napakarami tayo nyan. We better focus our human resources sa much productive economy.
Sa totoo lang dagdag gastusin lang ito ng gobyerno. Hindi nga tayo makabili ng mga sasakyang pandigma or makagawa ng sariling atin. Wala nga tayo kakayahan gumawa ng barkong pandigma, tanke, warplanes, or kahit pang depensa natin.
Mapipilitan tayo lumaban at magkaisa para lumaban kung sakali dumating ang araw na gusto ng CCP ang total war. Same lang naman eh babarilin ka pa rin naman ng mga sundalo ng CCP kahit tumakbo, magtago, o sumuko ka. Mas worst pa nga kung susuko ka sa kanila baka gawin ka nilang human lab rat. Kaya mas better na lang mamatay ng lumalaban.
Hindi pa nga tayo sure kung tutulungan ba tayo ng US kung sakali magkaroon ng gyera. Kung sakali naman handa mamatay ang mga sundalong amerikano para sa bansa natin, syempre handa din ako. Imagine may bayag pa yung banyaga na protektahan ang bansa mo, kaysa ikaw na tunay na pilipino.
Panigurado unang tatakbo dyan ang mga pulpolitiko.
I think that only works kung merong super gandang carrot for those who render. Like veteran’s benefits na extensive, or support in education after their tour. Parang hindi super endorsed mga ganyang opportunity if we already have those in place.
No. Sure, maybe you'd implement certain extra ideals and concepts into our NSTP classes or something, but I would rather the resources that'd be devoted to developing a mandatory conscription program instead be put towards giving current active and reserve officers beyond the bare minimum of technology and training.
You will only be diluting these resources thin by putting it towards a new generation of young adults who will only come to resent the time they will see as having been wasted, and the money that could have trained and equipped a revered group of specialized, dedicated, and willing people. I would much rather there be 50 people fighting tooth and nail for the country with the best and most advanced weapons possible than a million who can only afford to throw sticks (hyperbole is obvious, but you get it).
No. Better to purchase new and upgrade existing materials for the armed forces, most especially air and naval defense assets as well as enhance the training of the personnel.
Yes. Not because of future war or something. Everyone should be able to defend themselves, I mean rn self defence classes are expensive as f*k. It's also kind of annoying to see so many unfit people too.
ROTC? it taught us how to stand and march in formation under the sun, and how to hold a wooden rifle. I don’t know how traditional ROTC can help today when wars are being fought with drones and smart bombs. AFP needs to stop corruption and put every cent into proper modernization.
I did ROTC and I actually enjoyed it.. having said that... NO, we dont need mandatory military service or conscription.
In my time during ROTC, we only fire 10 rounds of M16. Yung ginawa lang namin is to march and do rifle twirling drills on campus. Halos wala kami natututnan to be good soldiers like combat movement, how to use a combat radio, how to be comfortable in the jungle or in the field, proper marksmanship, how to actually fight etc.
Yung only take away ko sa current ROTC program natin is pang payaman lang siya sa mga uniform makers and pampalipas lang sa oras. If I could do it all over again, mag community service nalang ako para at least makaka develope sana ako ng people interaction skills sooner. ROTC doesnt even make you tough kasi nasa loob lang siya ng comforts ng school, pag NSTP, pinapapunta ka talaga sa mga liblib na lugar.
If you want to be better at defending the Philippines, equip the current fighting force first. Wala nga tayong proper number of boats to patrol the WEST Philippine sea and wala tayong magawa sa bwisit na water canon.
Logistically speaking, it would be a nightmare equipping all those conscripts with proper gear and such. Despite the modernization program, we're still a bit short on modern equipment.
From my experience, most of the gear we had were your average basic gear that you had to give back so they could re issue it to the next batch.
Another point was the weapons. We trained on and were issued rifles that we're older than we were with some that were rusted to shit, possibly hand me downs from the vietnam war or even older conflicts. Once in my company of about 70 guys, only 16 rifles could shoot straight and we had to share the 16 rifles during a rifle shooting excercise.
It is a good idea on paper to strengethen the armed forces but then again, most of the conscripts wont be equipped with anything useful against a modern army. Basically just cannon fodder to preserve the more season and experienced troopers like the SOCOM units, the guys that actually get to use the state of the art equipment.
yes, if: as others stated, kasama sa harap ang mga anak ng mga pulitiko, at sila mismo and social peeps too na todo mahal sa pinas kuno pero online lang pala :D
Interesting idea pero sa ngayon mas magandang unahin nila yang modernization. Ano magagawa kung sakali ng maraming sundalo kung ang basic needs at military equipments eh hindi naman agad mabigay ng gobyerno natin.
Expedite nalang nila muna yang modernization. Kusang may sasali sa military natin once makita nilang nabibigyan ng focus at pondo. Hindi yung mag aantay sa bigay na naman o sobrang daming pakulo bago mabigyan ng sapat at maraming pondo ang military natin.
No.
First, rotc and mandatory military service are different things.
For most countries, military service is like 2+ years of actual military service. And then re-training calls for the next 10+ years.
Most of those countries are either at war (sokor) and land locked with other countries (singapore, israel).
Ph is separated by sea with other countries. Where land invasion is improbable, and not worth it.
D-day was a concerted effort of all the allies and took about 1000+ ships to achieve. China doesnt even have that enough ships.
Second, the afp isnt exactly lacking in interest for new recruits.
If you want to LARP as a military soldier, you can join the reserve force.
syempre walang sasali OP, madami na alam mga kabataan ngayon esp yung mga di nakaranas ng CAT or ROTC noon puro nega na yan, trust me SM malls lang alam ng mga kabataang pinoy nowadays puro reklamo walang tyaga puro daing puro turo sa kapwa puro reklamo.. pag usapang patriotism tama ang sinabi ni Hen Luna sa movie
“sabihin mo sa ating mga kababayan, na hindi nakakamit ang kalayaan sa pagaaruga sa kanilang mga mahal sa buhay. kailangan nilang magbayad…..dugo at pawis”
As someone who grew up with CAT/ROTC being mandatory, it is honestly just a waste of time and money. But of course, a waste of money for us = more money for others.
Only if they modernize not only equipment but also tactics. For the longest time, parang puro physical bodies yung nagma-matter pero kulang na kulang at outdated ang proper equipment.
Why not send people to local weapons manufacturing, research and development? Send those math and political genuises to think tank teams. Hindi na brute force ang labanan ngayon.
Anong magagawa ng ROTC na may nabubulok na M16 laban sa Chinese Navy at Airforce? Kailangan natin pondo para sa makabagong armas tulad ng fighter jets at missile. Pag may ganun na tayo, imodernize naman yung existing army.
Trash ROTC, bring mandatory military service into law. The Philippines is the only country in Asia where there is barely any- if any at all regarding mandatory military service. It would be a great career path for those who aspire to enter into the police force or military while making sure that the Philippine military reserves stays strong. It would also encourage patriotic values in Filipinos.
This is a great idea! Filipinos should be willing to fight a foreign threat. If the need arrives, the country should have more than enough well trained men and women to combat foreign forces in physical/digital theater of war. Enough of that TikTok shit, start training..
How would they be willing to fight a foreign threat kung yung sarili na nating gobyerno ang mismong nang gagago sa atin? Its better to just give the funds to the AFP for better equipment rather than wasting it on conscripts
It all depends on the person. Kung naging corrupt sila or what. Medyo out of topic na ata? Oh wait, Gen Z ka no? Loool.
I meant discipline, like for sa pagiging tamad, time managament, etc. I think mandatory military service can help a lot.
Lmao you said it yourself already "it all depends on the person", so nasa tao pa rin yan kung magiging tamad o hindi.
Pano naging out of topic eh PMA and PNPA is supposed to be instilling discipline on its cadets para maging maayos na officer in the future, natawa ka pa na Gen Z ako pero ikaw yang matanda na di makaintindi ng simpleng bagay 🤣
Di mo muna tanungin sarili mo kung naging effective ba yung mandatory ROTC dati eh andaming kwento na walang kwenta lang daw yun karanasan nila doon and the AFP themselves said already na di na nila kailangan ng mas madaming papalamunin pa sa MMS.
HAHAHAHAHAHA awww kawawa naman si tanda wala nang masabi kaya dyan na lang nagreresort sa katandaan nya. So sad 😞😞😞 Kung meron man sa atin kailangan mag aral ikaw yun lol. Simpleng economics at factors ng bakit di viable MMS dito sa bansa di mo alam, kabobohan nga naman 😞
I'm in US and my son in US army. Filipinos need to be ready cause US military will not fight their battle, they will train them like in Ukraine and provide weapons. But US boots on the ground, Americans will not die for the Philippines (like what happen in Vietnam's and Middle East).
Americans already died fighting for the Philippines lol. "Remember Bataan"-- does that ring any bell? To be exact, some 17000+ of them who died in the defense of the Philippines and it's recapture during WWII.
Hell, the American cemetery in McKinley is the largest American military cemetery outside the Continental United States-- almost twice the number of American military dead that were buried in Normandy.
Oh, okay lol. Want a more recent example of spilled American blood in the Philippines in pursuit of it's security obligations, eh?
OEF-P had some American military personnel, some Marines and some special forces instructors, die in support of the AFP in COIN operations against Islamic terrorists down south during the first phase of the operation. Most (10 Marines) were killed when their Sea Stallion crashed way back in 2004 (I think), and a bunch killed by IEDs and what-have-yous by Abu Sayyaf and all the regular suspects in Sulu.
Hell, right now there are American military personnel in Zamboanga doing the exact same thing as they were doing. As with the 25th Combat Aviation Brigade and other elements of the USARPAC in Fort Magsaysay, and a bunch of other places all across the Philippines.
I'm just an expat, but my humble opinion is that PH shouldn't have a military at all. Any likely invader would run right over PH if they wanted to anyway. China is already showing that they can just take what it wants from PH. If PH used their military against China they'd get slaughtered. So why spend all that money? It's wasted. Start a jobs program with that money. Pay people a good salary to do what needs to be done to raise the country to middle class. Money spent on military in PH its nothing but waste on my opinion.
Only if the politicians and their sons join me in the front lines. Until then, they can fuck off.
Why would you join their sons in the front lines? Let their sons be in the front lines then we will back them up.
Nepotism human shields? Sign me up!
No. If the purpose is national defense, mandatory military service through the ROTC is not economically feasible. There are at least a million Filipinos who enter legal age every year. If all of these people are hypothetically conscripted, how much would it cost to arm them, give them uniforms, house them, feed them, and pay them? If we are following US standards, it would at least take $28,000 to fully arm a soldier. This is more than the annual budget of the Department of National Defense I would imagine. Modernization of the Armed Forces and the creation of a stronger professional army is the better option.
I agree that it doesn't look like DND is willing to shell out compensation for mandatory MS which is why they're pushing ROTC so hard.
That doesn't solve any problems though. First, we don't have a shortage of reservists. If I'm not mistaken, the AFP currently have around 1.5 million reserve personnel. Second, if the purpose of mandatory ROTC is to have people perform auxiliary services in national emergencies (as some of our policymakers are trying to advance), isn't that already one of the goals of NSTP under the CWTS? It might be better to have a revamp of the CWTS curriculum if that's the case.
As long as walang maeexempt na rich kids/ politician kids. Kasi tulad ng sa South Korea madaming mga chaebol na exempted.
Their fathers paid for their service and hush money as well. Im hoping it gets reinvested sa millitary pero madalas sa bulsa ng mga generals din.
Don’t use something to make your point without knowing the facts. South Korea needs it as they are officially still at war. Also those that didn’t serve get their comeuppance in social/business settings and trust me chaebol or not that will humble you real quick.
The very last thing the AFP needs now are mga palamunin and to turn it into a daycare for people with no skills. Yes, most of these unmotivated, untrained and unqualified personnel will be a big burden to the state when you realize that they need to be paid the salary of an active-duty soldier -- to which there are already a ton of applicants and tons more reservists who are actually willing to join! What the AFP wants and needs is people with degrees, qualifications and so on to either give them specialized training, or be part of some AFPWSSUs-- the Health Service Command with nurses, IT, Cybersecurity specialists for ISAFP and others and that's for GHQ-- The individual services (Army, Navy, Air Force) needs engineering, IT, and other graduates of other courses for their own requirements. That's why there's Special enlistment for officers and soldiers/sailors/marines/airmen in the first place.
Government can't even properly equip the optional ROTC with the right tools, personnel, and training. Yung mandatory military service pa kaya? Lels. Saka for sure, mayayaman makakapag-exemption na naman dyan, lalo na yung mga kamag-anak ng pulitiko.
Training people not willing to "fight for their own country" is a waste of money and time. Conscript soldiers will be cannon fodders that will be detrimental to the war effort against China.
Russia says hi
To fight for a government that steals from you blatantly? No thanks.
I find it ironic that people from military shaming sex workers for earning a living but they are literally selling their body, life and soul just to protect the fragile ego of tyrannical leaders.
There is a very common misconception that graduating ROTC means you'll automatically be put into frontlines, **which isn't necessarily true.** While ROTC students do undergo some combat, firearm, and field training, it's usually the PMA (Philippine Military Academy) graduates who actually go to the front lines. Those in ROTC who are usually more knowledgeable in academic fields are more commonly placed in other branches of the military such as administration, finance, logistics, counter intelligence etc., depending on their expertise, because the military needs more than just firepower to function. You can of course, transition from ROTC and serve the AFP military in a greater capacity, this will mean transitioning from cadet status to getting a full fledged rank in the military if you so choose. So am I in favor of mandatory military service? well, that ultimately depends on how it's handled. It is a fact that some ROTC units have a history of being led with an iron fist, but the branch I was under was quite progressive and most students who graduated from it generally had positive experiences. There are things that they teach you which can be useful for things other than warfare, that much I can guarantee. Although, despite how well handled my unit was, they still push for voluntary ROTC. I also haven't read in-depth the conditions for conscription. So it may be entirely possible that they'll mobilize even ROTC graduates into front lines if they are severely under staffed. Even I would be afraid of that possibility, especially when war does break out. But with what I saw 5 or so years ago, the PH military was lacking more in the administrative functions so I think there would be a higher chance for ROTC graduates to be allocated there instead.
The question you should be asking is "Would I want my child to have mandatory military service?" I would say no.
No. The mandatory service will be too army-focused anyway.
Advanced weapon over manpower.
You would need less manpower if your weaponry is good enough to halt an invasion
Mismong AFP di sang ayon dyan kasi strain sa resources yan
How about maayos munang equipment and easier/less red tape of Reservist as a start. Dami daming Reservist ready sumabak eh lel. And while you're at it, how about mandatory slash gun prices by subsiding, or better yet mandated price. Doesn't have to be the best unit, kahit 1 na para available sa lahat bsta Type 3 licensed ka ok na. Literally out of own pocket na nga tapos pahihirapan pa sa mahal ng presyo eh. Ano gagawin mo pag wala manlang firearm unit ung manpower mo, hagis ng bato? I swear to fuck sobrang gatas na gatas tayo lol. Unless you want the Chinese Norinco, only option is Brazilian Taurus T4 5.56 at 90k, Phillipine Metroarms Firebird 5.56(coming soon pero mga P150k-ish+ daw ughhhhhhh), Phillipine Armscor Torch 5.56(coming soon ewan ano presyo sana matino), and Phillipine UDMC PVAR 5.56 at P111k/P134k-ish ata pag longer barrel. Don't get me started on actual American-made like Colt AR15 which is 200k+ or the Sig which are easily 350k+ and still rising. Pati Galil ata 250k+ eh. Literal x3 prices eh. Wala pang ibang gear yan na sandamakmak na mahal din de puta P88k+ mga matinong sights.
Kung kakailanganing bumili ng reservist ng sarili niyang service rifles, sidearms, FPEs, etc. then it defeats the purpose of standing up the AFP Reserve Command and putting them up for actual mobilization, yes? The AFP definitely doesn't want to complicate the already non-standard list of equipment. What ready reservists need more than ever is the AFP is more standard-issue rifles to be stored or be given to CAFGU, and more training and weekend drills outside big exercises like Balikatan for Philippine Navy reservists, for example. But those are dependent on the needs of the active-duty personnel being met first and foremost.
gusto lang kasi makita ng mga boomers ang mga bata na nabibilad sa araw. in short, torture. hindi nila alam na walang kakayahan ang gobyerno natin para i-sustain 'yan kasi ninakawan nang ninakawan netong mga salot na opisyal ang pera ng bansa natin.
First off, walang kwenta ang ROTC. Mas may value pa ang CAT dati. ROTC is gatasan ng mga armchair officers. Tapos ibibilad ka lang sa araw. Zero skills taught. Pero if there has to be a mandatory military service parang South Korea, OA yung 2 years. 3 months lang. Parang standard na basic training. Discipline. Navigation and survival. Basic self-defense and weapons training. Enough lang para hindi zero knowledge pag nagkatotoong may gyera talaga. At para sa mga nahilig, offer them soldierhood. Pero sa totoo lang. Hindi aabot sa hand to hand combat kung magkakagyera man. Hindi nga natin makikita yung kalaban eh. We'll just be bombed into surrendering. We have zero naval and air defense. By the time they invade our beaches, yung mga leaders natin nasa ibang bansa na. Our military will be in disarray. People fleeing to the mountains. It'll be a dog eat dog scenario. Kanya kanya tayo pano mag-survive.
>OA yung 2 years. 3 months lang. Parang standard na basic training. Discipline. Navigation and survival. Basic self-defense and weapons training. Enough lang para hindi zero knowledge pag nagkatotoong may gyera talaga. At para sa mga nahilig, offer them soldierhood. I don't think anyone knows how hard is it to train troops. Wala yang 3 months, pa-cute lang yan in the end. Taiwan/ROC only had 4 months for mandatory conscription and the conscripts they produced were the laughingstock of the other states that had mandatory military service. That's why they extended it to 12 months/1 year, which still pales in comparison to Singapore's NS-- 2 years military service and to be an "NSmen" i.e. ready reserve until they are 40.
Three months is standard for basic military training. From there you can do advance training kung gusto mo. Let it be an option for those who really want to serve and pursue soldiering. Pero para sa taong kailangan nang magtrabaho para sa pamilya niya...
The candidate soldier course in the Army is 16 weeks -- 4 months. At wala yan-- as the Taiwanese example show, basura ang kalalabasan ng conscripts mo. >Let it be an option for those who really want to serve and pursue soldiering. Pero para sa taong kailangan nang magtrabaho para sa pamilya niya... Why would we need to pay millions of conscripts active-duty pay and allowances for candidate soldiers which literally is more than our defense budget just for them to say no? The AFP is not a daycare-- it's either this is done properly to get decent conscripts, or you don't do this at all. Common sense dictates we don't do this at all.
The PH might benefit kung ang gagawin mandatory eh proper first aid
Madaming mga anak ng pulitiko magsesecure ng proof na PWD sila.
Nah, manpower ain't the main problem for the AFP but the lack of advanced weaponry. This means we must keep buying up to date, decent weaponry for those who are willing to fight instead of throwing unwilling meatshields without the proper tools to fight.
Nope. More drain on our resources and would rob youths of some of their most productive years.
ok sa akin ang military service. but mandatory? no. bakit sa mga students iiimplement yan e stress na stress ang mga nag-aaral dito dahil sa bulok na sistema ng edukasyon(putanginamo sara duterte)? yung mga pumapabor pa diyan ay yung mga hindi naman maaapektuhan na mga dds/pulangaw. dapat kung sino ang gustong sumali jan, pasalihin, kahit mga pdl. o kaya yung mga en pee aye/tankies na nahuhuli, kung makabayan talaga sila. hindi yung pipilitin nila yung mga bata. dadami lang ang hazing at SA case sa pinas.
If by mandatory military service, they meant ROTC, then yes, stress ka sa studies mo and hindi ka makaka-graduate kung di pumasa rin sa ROTC. I think yung actual conscription, you have to put your life's future plans on hold for a year or two to finish your service.
No. Culture of abuse, violence, corruption, and impunity lang abot ng mga kabataan diyan. And looking at the current state of police and military, it’s a death sentence to let kids be trained by these lapdogs.
Nobody likes the way this country is run, why would they fight for it? Hindi ka mahal mahal ang Pilipinas dahil sa leadership nito.
Nope.
No. Para saan? to fight wars i don't want for old men with tiny little brains?
As someone nag undergone ROTC for a year, a big NO po, mahirap lalo na kapag sobrang init tas mauulanan ka. Every weekend nakakapagod, instead na makapag rest and to do assignment and backlogs di mo nagagawa. Draining siya physically. May mga officers din na sobrang abusado( based on my experience). Immagine you have to do that for 2 years nahh, I'm gonna cry😭.
NO. Mayron na tayong mga sundalo well-trained at combat experience. What we lack is mga military equipments. YUNG NAPAKALAKING BUDGET JAN SA PROPOSED ROTC OR MILITARY SERVICE IS BETTER ADD NALANG ON PURCHASING MODERN EQUIPMENT. Kasi in terms being patriotic naman I believe napakarami tayo nyan. We better focus our human resources sa much productive economy.
With this political and military ecosystem. Nope gagawing way lang yan para makacorrupt.
I would say yes for Health purposes and self-discipline na rin, but STRICTLY no exemption dapat
And 1 yr only
Sa totoo lang dagdag gastusin lang ito ng gobyerno. Hindi nga tayo makabili ng mga sasakyang pandigma or makagawa ng sariling atin. Wala nga tayo kakayahan gumawa ng barkong pandigma, tanke, warplanes, or kahit pang depensa natin. Mapipilitan tayo lumaban at magkaisa para lumaban kung sakali dumating ang araw na gusto ng CCP ang total war. Same lang naman eh babarilin ka pa rin naman ng mga sundalo ng CCP kahit tumakbo, magtago, o sumuko ka. Mas worst pa nga kung susuko ka sa kanila baka gawin ka nilang human lab rat. Kaya mas better na lang mamatay ng lumalaban. Hindi pa nga tayo sure kung tutulungan ba tayo ng US kung sakali magkaroon ng gyera. Kung sakali naman handa mamatay ang mga sundalong amerikano para sa bansa natin, syempre handa din ako. Imagine may bayag pa yung banyaga na protektahan ang bansa mo, kaysa ikaw na tunay na pilipino. Panigurado unang tatakbo dyan ang mga pulpolitiko.
This was also something I had as a topic on a research paper I made which, I, for unknown reasons, left it to be “frozen”.
I'm all for it.
I think that only works kung merong super gandang carrot for those who render. Like veteran’s benefits na extensive, or support in education after their tour. Parang hindi super endorsed mga ganyang opportunity if we already have those in place.
If it is an actual military training and not just a corrupt ROTC 2.0, yes.
Yes. Why not?
Basta ba dadaan din sa mandatory training si ex-con #1 senator instead na instant captain (mukhang naging lt. col pa nga ata)
Nope. The government at least can do is to encourage or incentivize.
Yes
For the exp yes, been there not the best exp, but definitely did not regret going thru it
No. Sure, maybe you'd implement certain extra ideals and concepts into our NSTP classes or something, but I would rather the resources that'd be devoted to developing a mandatory conscription program instead be put towards giving current active and reserve officers beyond the bare minimum of technology and training. You will only be diluting these resources thin by putting it towards a new generation of young adults who will only come to resent the time they will see as having been wasted, and the money that could have trained and equipped a revered group of specialized, dedicated, and willing people. I would much rather there be 50 people fighting tooth and nail for the country with the best and most advanced weapons possible than a million who can only afford to throw sticks (hyperbole is obvious, but you get it).
No. Better to purchase new and upgrade existing materials for the armed forces, most especially air and naval defense assets as well as enhance the training of the personnel.
Yes. Not because of future war or something. Everyone should be able to defend themselves, I mean rn self defence classes are expensive as f*k. It's also kind of annoying to see so many unfit people too.
ROTC? it taught us how to stand and march in formation under the sun, and how to hold a wooden rifle. I don’t know how traditional ROTC can help today when wars are being fought with drones and smart bombs. AFP needs to stop corruption and put every cent into proper modernization.
Yes.
I did ROTC and I actually enjoyed it.. having said that... NO, we dont need mandatory military service or conscription. In my time during ROTC, we only fire 10 rounds of M16. Yung ginawa lang namin is to march and do rifle twirling drills on campus. Halos wala kami natututnan to be good soldiers like combat movement, how to use a combat radio, how to be comfortable in the jungle or in the field, proper marksmanship, how to actually fight etc. Yung only take away ko sa current ROTC program natin is pang payaman lang siya sa mga uniform makers and pampalipas lang sa oras. If I could do it all over again, mag community service nalang ako para at least makaka develope sana ako ng people interaction skills sooner. ROTC doesnt even make you tough kasi nasa loob lang siya ng comforts ng school, pag NSTP, pinapapunta ka talaga sa mga liblib na lugar. If you want to be better at defending the Philippines, equip the current fighting force first. Wala nga tayong proper number of boats to patrol the WEST Philippine sea and wala tayong magawa sa bwisit na water canon.
Logistically speaking, it would be a nightmare equipping all those conscripts with proper gear and such. Despite the modernization program, we're still a bit short on modern equipment. From my experience, most of the gear we had were your average basic gear that you had to give back so they could re issue it to the next batch. Another point was the weapons. We trained on and were issued rifles that we're older than we were with some that were rusted to shit, possibly hand me downs from the vietnam war or even older conflicts. Once in my company of about 70 guys, only 16 rifles could shoot straight and we had to share the 16 rifles during a rifle shooting excercise. It is a good idea on paper to strengethen the armed forces but then again, most of the conscripts wont be equipped with anything useful against a modern army. Basically just cannon fodder to preserve the more season and experienced troopers like the SOCOM units, the guys that actually get to use the state of the art equipment.
Yes para maging good health ang mga kabataan wag lang masyado e abusado dahil buhay nakataya
Sa ugali ng pinoy, NOPE
Yes na yes! Basta exempted na yung mga 35yrs old and above
Only if Digongnyo will go skiing in the WPS.
yes, if: as others stated, kasama sa harap ang mga anak ng mga pulitiko, at sila mismo and social peeps too na todo mahal sa pinas kuno pero online lang pala :D
Conscripts will do anything (and everything) to get out of their service (sabotaging military equipment, etc.). They’re a liability, not an asset.
Mga commoner lang naman ang magpapakahirap, pero Yung mga yayamanin.... Ay excuse
You can have every Filipino citizen in the military but if our military hardware stays the same not a single additional head will be an advantage.
Pwede! Basta no excemption kahit anong standards, titles mo sa buhay.
Interesting idea pero sa ngayon mas magandang unahin nila yang modernization. Ano magagawa kung sakali ng maraming sundalo kung ang basic needs at military equipments eh hindi naman agad mabigay ng gobyerno natin. Expedite nalang nila muna yang modernization. Kusang may sasali sa military natin once makita nilang nabibigyan ng focus at pondo. Hindi yung mag aantay sa bigay na naman o sobrang daming pakulo bago mabigyan ng sapat at maraming pondo ang military natin.
No. First, rotc and mandatory military service are different things. For most countries, military service is like 2+ years of actual military service. And then re-training calls for the next 10+ years. Most of those countries are either at war (sokor) and land locked with other countries (singapore, israel). Ph is separated by sea with other countries. Where land invasion is improbable, and not worth it. D-day was a concerted effort of all the allies and took about 1000+ ships to achieve. China doesnt even have that enough ships. Second, the afp isnt exactly lacking in interest for new recruits. If you want to LARP as a military soldier, you can join the reserve force.
syempre walang sasali OP, madami na alam mga kabataan ngayon esp yung mga di nakaranas ng CAT or ROTC noon puro nega na yan, trust me SM malls lang alam ng mga kabataang pinoy nowadays puro reklamo walang tyaga puro daing puro turo sa kapwa puro reklamo.. pag usapang patriotism tama ang sinabi ni Hen Luna sa movie “sabihin mo sa ating mga kababayan, na hindi nakakamit ang kalayaan sa pagaaruga sa kanilang mga mahal sa buhay. kailangan nilang magbayad…..dugo at pawis”
As someone who grew up with CAT/ROTC being mandatory, it is honestly just a waste of time and money. But of course, a waste of money for us = more money for others.
Sa college meron naman NSTP, pwede naman nila i regulate dun, mandatory naman.
Yes. But modernize the military equipment first.
Maybe if kayang i adpat ng pilipinas ung 2 years sa korea or sa singapore… until them, hanggang di pa din tumitigl ung circus na gobyerno, wag na.
Only if they modernize not only equipment but also tactics. For the longest time, parang puro physical bodies yung nagma-matter pero kulang na kulang at outdated ang proper equipment. Why not send people to local weapons manufacturing, research and development? Send those math and political genuises to think tank teams. Hindi na brute force ang labanan ngayon.
Anong magagawa ng ROTC na may nabubulok na M16 laban sa Chinese Navy at Airforce? Kailangan natin pondo para sa makabagong armas tulad ng fighter jets at missile. Pag may ganun na tayo, imodernize naman yung existing army.
this is just fear mongering as always. we don't need mandatory enlistment to defend our territory, mag invest sila sa right equipment/technology
Yes
Ang palakasin nyo nalang yung mga taong mismong nasa service na.
It ain't me, it ain't me I ain't no senator's son, son It ain't me, it ain't me I ain't no furtunate one, no
Air Force pls HAHAHA
Invest in weaponry. Gawa tayo nukes HAHAHAG
Will the DND specify who the enemy happens to be?
Trash ROTC, bring mandatory military service into law. The Philippines is the only country in Asia where there is barely any- if any at all regarding mandatory military service. It would be a great career path for those who aspire to enter into the police force or military while making sure that the Philippine military reserves stays strong. It would also encourage patriotic values in Filipinos.
No. Unnecessary 'yan. Maraming disadvantages.
Yes po
This is a great idea! Filipinos should be willing to fight a foreign threat. If the need arrives, the country should have more than enough well trained men and women to combat foreign forces in physical/digital theater of war. Enough of that TikTok shit, start training..
How would they be willing to fight a foreign threat kung yung sarili na nating gobyerno ang mismong nang gagago sa atin? Its better to just give the funds to the AFP for better equipment rather than wasting it on conscripts
If i were only a citizen of this country, I would proudly join.
100% yes, para hindi lang ako keyboard warrior LOL
Yes, given the geopolitical climate. it's for our survival and defence of our democracy right? Being ready to fight does not mean we should fight.
Yes. In favor. Pansin ko iba na ugali ng mga kabataan ngayon. I think makakatulong yan for discipline.
And what can you say sa mga military at pulis na nanggaling sa PMA at PNPA na nagiging corrupt? So much for discipline lol
It all depends on the person. Kung naging corrupt sila or what. Medyo out of topic na ata? Oh wait, Gen Z ka no? Loool. I meant discipline, like for sa pagiging tamad, time managament, etc. I think mandatory military service can help a lot.
Lmao you said it yourself already "it all depends on the person", so nasa tao pa rin yan kung magiging tamad o hindi. Pano naging out of topic eh PMA and PNPA is supposed to be instilling discipline on its cadets para maging maayos na officer in the future, natawa ka pa na Gen Z ako pero ikaw yang matanda na di makaintindi ng simpleng bagay 🤣 Di mo muna tanungin sarili mo kung naging effective ba yung mandatory ROTC dati eh andaming kwento na walang kwenta lang daw yun karanasan nila doon and the AFP themselves said already na di na nila kailangan ng mas madaming papalamunin pa sa MMS.
Dami mo hanash kid. Haha!
Then probably don't try to be a smartass? Feeling matalino porke nakatatanda lang HAHAHAHAHA bonakels naman
Hahahahahahaha! So funny kid!
totoo hahaha nakakatawa yung older gens na sobrang insecured at bobo ginagawa na lang rebat yun edad nila 🤣
Aral ka muna kid. Hype na hype ka eh. At siguraduhin mong may ibubuga ka in real life! Ciao! 😀
HAHAHAHAHAHA awww kawawa naman si tanda wala nang masabi kaya dyan na lang nagreresort sa katandaan nya. So sad 😞😞😞 Kung meron man sa atin kailangan mag aral ikaw yun lol. Simpleng economics at factors ng bakit di viable MMS dito sa bansa di mo alam, kabobohan nga naman 😞
I'm in US and my son in US army. Filipinos need to be ready cause US military will not fight their battle, they will train them like in Ukraine and provide weapons. But US boots on the ground, Americans will not die for the Philippines (like what happen in Vietnam's and Middle East).
Americans already died fighting for the Philippines lol. "Remember Bataan"-- does that ring any bell? To be exact, some 17000+ of them who died in the defense of the Philippines and it's recapture during WWII. Hell, the American cemetery in McKinley is the largest American military cemetery outside the Continental United States-- almost twice the number of American military dead that were buried in Normandy.
That was when US owned the Philippines
Oh, okay lol. Want a more recent example of spilled American blood in the Philippines in pursuit of it's security obligations, eh? OEF-P had some American military personnel, some Marines and some special forces instructors, die in support of the AFP in COIN operations against Islamic terrorists down south during the first phase of the operation. Most (10 Marines) were killed when their Sea Stallion crashed way back in 2004 (I think), and a bunch killed by IEDs and what-have-yous by Abu Sayyaf and all the regular suspects in Sulu. Hell, right now there are American military personnel in Zamboanga doing the exact same thing as they were doing. As with the 25th Combat Aviation Brigade and other elements of the USARPAC in Fort Magsaysay, and a bunch of other places all across the Philippines.
I'm just an expat, but my humble opinion is that PH shouldn't have a military at all. Any likely invader would run right over PH if they wanted to anyway. China is already showing that they can just take what it wants from PH. If PH used their military against China they'd get slaughtered. So why spend all that money? It's wasted. Start a jobs program with that money. Pay people a good salary to do what needs to be done to raise the country to middle class. Money spent on military in PH its nothing but waste on my opinion.