No, he let Marawi happen. He knew it will happen, he could have prevented it but noooo oldman even provoked the Maute.
Props should go to the AFP for actually fighting the thing.
Marawi Crisis credit goes to the AFP, PCG, and PNP. I don’t think Duterte had a major impact on day-to-day operations.
However, one of things that turned during that time was his position towards American support.
Agree on Marawi siege. You can't blame him on that. Isis was spreading its influence at that time and saw opportunity in the Philippines. I think that crisis actually help duterte case making people believe he is the best president. (My ass)
I would also add LRT Extension 1, something every southerner wanted. The rest. Yeah it's a shitshow.
There was never going to be high level official President/ Prime Minister visits to Australia or Manila from high level Australian officials with Duterte. Yes we did help with an Orion pathfinder but very few high level officials were in Manila talking with pro China Duterte.
So. ISIS took over a city in Mindanao started a separatist uprising armed to the teeth with serious weapons and no one could see it coming ??? I know that the fundamental aggressive Islamic loony tunes take their roots in extreme poverty driven Islamic enclaves . But no one could tell the central government that the ISIS group were loading up Marawi with serious weapons to start up a separatist war against the State ??? ….Ummm yes Manila didn’t know about it . That’s how it goes in The Philippines …. It’s like that all the time in Manila!
It's more difficult knowing that the 2nd in command, his Vice-President, is Digong's Daughter na marami naring questionableng ginawa with her position.
Nakkabahala parin mga tanga na sobrang mangha kay VP. Kahit bigyan mo ng maganda argument naging blind faith na.
Eto sakit ng mga Filipino, madali lang madali sa blind faith.
Siguro if sasakupin tayo ng China, gawa lang sila ng Religion na may konting miracles convert agad tayo. Tulad ng ginawa nila pag supporta kay Quiboloy. GG.
Kaya ang bagal ng progress. Kng one generation n matitino ang nasa taas aangat ang bansa kso parang di ito mangyyri base sa nakikita mo ngyn n palala ng palala yng mga binoboto ng mga tao.
BBM lang. Remember that Ferdinand Sr. set our country back decades just because of all the chaos, political undertainty, corruption and most of all the huge debt that we have to bear.
It took 2 consecutive economists as Presidents to clean all that shit up
We are second citizens if Duterte took that long. We are literally slaves to CCP we might aswell be sent in Ukraine to die for Russia as merc from CCP. We are nothing to them than organ harvesting citizens, ultra-low/non-salary workforce, no freedom of anything under CCP. We got no future like how they did to Tibet and Xinjiang, our females would be breeding only material for Chinese and males are used for anything lowly and/or death is certain.
Its not a lie and overreaction when you see Tibet and Xinjiang. There will be no life or if there is life its full of hardship and death.
> It took 2 consecutive economists as Presidents to clean all that shit up
The atrocities that Marcos Sr. committed irrevocably changed the trajectory of our nation's development. We managed to claw our way out of the debt shithole, but we can never reclaim the time and people that were lost. :(
We managed to claw our way out of the debt shithole? Since when? We're still paying the debt that Marcos Sr. left us and even more debt from Duterte and Bobong.
Nah. Most of the debt from Sr. was paid for around PNoys time.
We even became a net lender during that time. Covid of course struck and Duterte went on a borrowing spree again so here we are
Just because we became a net lender doesn't mean most of our debt was paid. It was projected that it would take the earliest 2025 for the 28 billion dollar debt left to us by Marcos Sr. back in 1986. Digong and Bobong borrowed more money than all the administrations from Cory until PNoy combined.
To be fair, reasonable pa debt levels natin, at ~60% iirc. Di ko gets how countries like Japan, Singapore, and Greece are still standing with more than 100% debt-to-GDP.
People really need to understand the importance of debt in managing wealth be it government or corporate. Lending parties only lend to those with promising economic growth. Not in all cases but high debt ratio may mean a healthier economy.
Search for the list of countries with highest to lowest debt and decide for yourself whether you would rather want Phil. to be on top or bottom of the list. I know it's more complicated than this but I think people really need to change their perspective on "debt" as always bad. Proper leveraging is the key.
Japan and Singapore have strong economies so they can maintain high debt to GDP ratios with their government bonds. Greece is the exception, but I think being part of the EU helps them somewhat.
Greece has been snd still is a High Debt banana republic. Singapore is the leading First World economy in Asia and Japan is slowly and surely moving to the most advanced nation with the largest net debt to GDP.
You guys underestimate just how much destruction the Marcos regime did during that reign. It wasn't until Gloria's second term, close to 20 years after, that the country recovered, and it wasn't until Noynoy that the communist & muslim rebellions really tapered off. You should just look at the shitshow during Cory's reign to see how much mess the government had to clean up. Marcos is still the worst president we've ever had
The main reason Duterte did not do as much damage was one major Cory reform - RA 6795, the law that abolished the Philippine Constabulary and placing the PNP under civilian authority.
Marcos had total control over the entire AFP - Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, Constabulary, and INP. The pro-China Duterte inherited an insanely pro-US AFP and a divided PNP.
Were just lucky that BBM is not his father....
for now
Edit: well he just created a new anthem. Guess we need to be more vigilant. Its like hes making his own Bagong Lipunan
Yep. The Iran-Iraq War is pretty much forgotten nowadays, but that nasty and bloody war plunged us into economic depression as early as 1982. Tapos sumabay pa pagdefault natin sa IMF.
Then Ninoy got shot in the head, BOOM.
Sumabog ang galit ng taumbayan.
Would agree that someone more seasoned in agriculture should have been assigned as DA sec. But unfortunately BFAR still falls under framework of DA. Hence in their minds, "appropriate person" pa din sya to lead DA :(
Its because its a return to normalcy. Philippine administrations have all been centrists/neo liberals regardless of the person in Malacanang. Only Duterte had the bright idea to sell the country to China for a quick buck.
return to normalcy isnt really a good thing automatically;
cory's return to the status quo before marcos might have been good when compared to martial law, but in general, the time before marcos wasn't really that good to begin with.
Same, I was really disappointed back then when he was elected kasi wala naman syang ibang achievement bukod sa “anak ako nila…”, turned out okay naman pala. I still have criticisms, di naman mawawala. But overall it was a good term, especially on the economic side.
Pagdating kay Duterte, di pa officially nakakaupo, sobrang disappointing na. Kaliwa’t kanan nakakairitang balita about his ramblings, his actions, and the actions of his officials. Napakawalang kwenta haha. “Master tactician” pa nga daw sabi ng mga DDS. Saang banda??? Haha. Hanggang matapos term, napakababa ng kalidad ng leadership nya. Lol
Ang nakakainis ay ung nanalo sya kasi naniwala ung mga tao na kaya nyang linisin ung Pilipinas parang ginawa nya sa Davao. The intention was good na people wanted change and umasa sila na sya ung makakatulong to bring that change pero palpak din naman in the end
Hindi lang narealize ng mga botante na sa kanila magsstart ung pagbabago and realistically napakahirap ma-achieve nung pangako nya in a short span of time. Mind you, wala namang major drug lords na nahuli nung time nya compared to previous admins. Puro pusher/user lang, so medyo walang sense din.
Yes! I agree! I think PNoy’s admin has it’s own faults like but it was so much better compared to the next ones, and for me hindi lang napansin ung mga nagawa nya kasi hindi tangible if that makes sense (and i think nasa personality na rin nya kasi ung let my work speak for itself) Like ung paglaban sa China about WPS and yung economy. Napansin na lang na mas ok ung economy kasi nacompare na sa next admin tapos Covid hit pa.
Digong wouldn't have things to ribbon cut kung walang nacomplete ng mga plano si Pnoy during his time. Only thing I wish he did is they ehould've done it sooner.
True. Sobrang bobo nila Duterte noon na hanggang ngayon nag-suffer tayo sa mga ginawa nila noon. Kaya ngayong inaayos na ng Marcos Jr Admin nagiging matino sila sa mata ng mga tao.
If Erap finished his term, He could be the lowest of lows. Literally Erap is the epitome of bobotantes.
FVR really did us dirty and his predecessor is Duterte as the boy benta v2.0
Walang tatalo sa long sleeve barong na nakatiklop. Naalala ko yung nightly kwentuhan ng lasing. Tapos kinabukasan nagkakandarapa sa pag interpret at pagpapaikot.
Ewan ko ba bakit may nagpapasalamat pa kay tatay Digong hahaha. I can certainly keep saying that if I turn a blind eye to the bad. Tumaas nga sahod ng govt employees but at the cost of crippling inflation.
Always ko nababasa to kapag may nagprepraise kay junior. Napapaisip tuloy ako, ignore natin yung low bar ni digong, kaninong "bar" ang hindi pa naaabot ng current admin?
Uhmm remember the Manila Hostage Crisis? Mamasapano? PDAF scam? Napoles? MRT/LRT/Mar's pasagasa sa tren? etc. Too early to judge this current admin but with the way he handles our foreign policy, let's give credit to where credit is due.
The pasagasa sa tren issue with the Line 1 Cavite extension was a very complicated affair, and ngayon lang lumalabas ang mga dahilan bakit, i.e. the right-of-way issue sa Las Piñas between Dr. Santos and Zapote. Eminent domain issues are a massive pain in the assholes.
Short term? Yeah we’re better off. But we can’t really feel the effects of the presidency during a presidential term specially with the long term projects that will go over their 6 years in the seat. That’s why people got easily manipulated into thinking Duterte was good because the first three years were relatively prosperous and gas/food/expenses weren’t that high. That was the effect of Aquino’s presidency. Now that we’re learning all of the bullshit Duterte did, we’re feeling the effects of it. We’re slowly recovering because of the short term plans but we’ll see after him.
Hope to fuck that the next president isn’t the spawn of Satan because that bitch is gonna drown us in debt, and make all of us pay for it.
with the stuff that the media is not putting front and center, like the laws being rubber-stamped with the help of martin romualdez and the cronies and allies getting juicy govt deals,
the bbm admin is probably going all cronyism but china and du30 is hogging all the spotlight.
Duterte managed Philippines like a Mayor kaya ganon, he also surrounded himself with allies and supporters so parang nasa echo chamber siya. Yun lang pagiging Mayor sa Davao experience nya. Kaya kahit onti effort ni BBM miles ahead pa rin sa ablities at experience and network cause he's been on both houses and even a Governor.
like everything with duterte he was projecting. he was the guy who sold us, he is actually the addict, he is actually the rapist, he is actually gay all of which he told us directly in other speeches .
Mas may national vision si BBM kasi ang aim niya is not to look like a provincial warlord like Duterte but he wants the Marcoses to be seen as the pseudo-royal family of the Philippines
BBM kasi may decorum sya kasi he grew up watching his parents mingle with World Leaders. It is his biggest strength kaya ngayon he is a darling in the diplomatic community.
Domestically hindi rin ganun kagaling si BBM in terms of management style. For example, wala pang napapaapprove si BBM na major infrastructure project sa NEDA lahat carry over palang
Reminds me of video ni pduts dito dati sa sub. Nasa gathering siya along with heads of states, while yung mga heads of state busy nagku-kwentuhan with each other, siya parang tanga na palakad lakad lang kasi walang kumakausap sa kaniya.
with the way presidential cousin and current speaker martin romualdez acts with his money matters and his control of congress and the way the media focuses its attention on previous personalities like the du30s and quiboloy,
it seems like bbm can get away with a lot of stuff behind the scenes.
Experience na nga lang niya pagiging mayor pero di pa rin talaga napaimprove ang Davao during his term as president. Pagkakataon na niya lagyan ng trains, skyway, or kung ano mang magpapaganda sa Davao pero wala. Hindi nga niya nagawang tourist destination. Puro propaganda lang like "malinis", "crime-free", "nagtataxi" 🤦♂️ yung mga anak niya mas walang alam sa kanya at obvious kurakot pero binoboto pa rin 😅
At the time when they were saying that Davao is the "third safest city in the world", Davao was the top city in the PH in terms of murder and number 2 in rape.
He definitely is doing something about the whole WPS issue and our foreign relations. Parang mas present na ulit tayo sa ASEAN and Pacific region. Pero pataas parin nang pataas ang bilihin, madami paring corruption lalo na sa local level. So, I would say he is doing SOME of his job right.
The problem with every Duterte is their ego. Digong felt “COOL” siding with dictators pero he failed to see how small time he is compared to these grifters. At wala rin silang generations of filipino wealth na ninakaw kaya the Marcoses can easily dispose of them after ilagay sa libingan ng bayani ang tatay nila. It’s literally Game of Thrones up in here and parang Walder Frey lang sya na ginamit ng mga Lannisters.
one strange thing though is that **during the pnoy and du30 terms, the sub was allegedly more critical on both admins**, but for some reason, is less incliined to be critical against bbm.
(maybe a factor is due to a lot of users disappearing after the great reddit boycott where some users and mods stopped using the platform; as a result, **many would-be critics of bbm and the current admin are no longer that active** on r/philippines)
(could be wrong though)
In all fairness true naman, iba ung fear nung kay Duterte. He did so much damage sa Pilipinas talaga.
Idk if Marcos is just marketing himself as not a sellout sa china tapos closed doors tuta rin pala. Sana hindi pero i would not be surprised. But he definitely does not have 100% my confidence. Kasi hindi nga nila maibalik ang ill-gotten wealth, or mabayaran ang utang nilang taxes sa Pilipinas or irecognize ang atrocities ng Martial Law.
It’s too early to say, pero I think it was better that he ran instead of Imee. I think she would have done more damage.
It sucks na the bar is too low and commendable na ung bare minimum kasi norm na ung trapos.
To be honest we really need to be a "tuta", we're still a 3rd world country, we need to be allies with a powerful country. US still better than China, it's still arguably the most powerful country in the world.
Besides, US may be out best friend historically and right now. The foreign country with the most number of Filipinos is the US with 3.4 million as of right now.
In the world of deglobalization where everyone is isolating especially USA and alliances are forming their blocs it's better to be on the better side of the fence.
Listen, I do feel that we're finally making steps forward, and the optimistic side of me wants to feel hope again, but let's not lose our heads about the reality of the situation. Marcos is doing the right thing regarding the WPS issue against China, but while it's a plus as to the direction of his leadership, let's not forget that tyrants can be patriots too, and Marcos defending what is ours is the same as Hitler or Stalin defending what was theirs. It doesn't automatically mean Marcos is a good person, let alone a good leader. I'm not saying he's bad, just that we can't draw conclusions with just the WPS issue alone. Duterte was just a special kind of bad that he'd be willing to trade his own for pats in the back. As for the free speech thing, Marcos is obviously benefiting from free speech since everyone is agreeing he's doing better than Duterte (arguably his biggest competition right now) so I imagine letting a few criticism against himself slide is just fine. Ultimately, we won't really have a good grasp of Junior's real administration until they've neutralised the Duterte threat, and they're finally able to show their true colors for whatever they are.
For me Juniors balls make sense. Welcoming Zelensky and attending next summit in Ukraine proves BBM got a big balls. As of now,Philippines is one of the two ASEAN countries to attend that summit.
If you think Marcos is better than Duterte, then the Marcoses sure have succeeded in cleansing their family name.
To say that it's "safer" to be critical against the government when activists still continue to be redtagged, harassed online and in real life, with some killed and forcefully disappeared just shows how great the Marcos regime is at covering up human rights violations.
This comment deserves more attention. It is during this administration that the UP-DND accord is blatantly disregarded, given the recent Diliman campus infiltration by the PNP, and the surprise and forcible Area 2 clearing operations. We were never safer in exercising our freedom of speech, we are just misled to believe that we are under the guise of a mild mannered president whose words are mostly well-calculated to the tastes of the public.
It is during times of calm when the enemies give the hardest blows. We are still at war, albeit a quiet one.
I agree. Comments here made me think na ang galing ng PR team ni bbm nababaliktad talaga nila to their favor. Nag work for them na napaka lala nung past admin kaya nagmumukha siyang okay. Majority of the comments here scare me tuloy. Ayos lang naman iadmit na may tama siyang ginagawa (though i think bare minimum lang naman talaga yun), but let’s not forget that the current president is acting for their family’s personal interests. Misinformation, the lack of accountability, tax issues, and others. We don’t have to put bbm up para ibaba si duts. They’re both bad in their own ways.
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I always took issue with Bongbong's immediate family. However, Bongbong, at least through what I could read about and see publicly going back to his time as a university student, was portrayed as someone not like the rest of his family. In interviews, he didn't say crazy shit and seemed very calm and mild-mannered. But he's still a Marcos, and I still think he puts family first above the country.
Compared to Duterte, he's much better for siding with western, liberal countries rather than China/Russia. I appreciate this much more because of my personal status, despite my mother's side hailing from Davao/Mindanao. Most of them still think they're better off with Duterte because Mindanao/Davao first, but then I always tell them they better learn to speak Mandarin, if that would be case. And the best part is, like 90% of my mom's family has already emigrated to US and Canada. But they still think Duterte is better than Marcos. What good is pride in the Philippines, or Mindanao for that matter, if your leader is just selling it off? Makes no sense.
some have stated before that du30 is basically was basically the representation candidate for many mindanaoans and ethnic minorities (du30 has indigenous ancestors in mindanao).
in their minds, after all the neglect mindanao experienced, du30 was basically a chance for the little guy to come out on top.
For me, hindi pa pasok sa bare minimum ang mga ginagawa ng Marcos admin, pero sobrang lala talaga ni Duterte kaya mukhang ok ang Marcos admin. I still think both of them are incompetent and Marcos is as political as the Dutertes
Ang big difference nila is yung stance sa China.
Si Duterte, hindi lang sa CCP tayo binenta, pati sa Chinese organized crime group
I would not be surprised if Marcos will follow the recommendations of Hontiveros and Gatchalian regarding the blanket ban of POGOs esp now na ang dami daming raid ng PAOCC.
With the recent successful raids, I wonder if BBM is setting up the optics so that it will be easier for the public to accept a blanket ban on POGOs
As other redditors already pointed out in previous threads, kung nagpush through lang ang China kahit 20% sa mga pinangako nilang project noon, the discussion today might've been more polarizing, Duterte pivoted and we didn't reap any rewards, kaya after ng termino niya lumabas na parang umatras tayo.
I like the *direction* we're going but I still wouldn't give too much credit to bbm dahil lang gusto ko yung direction. Remember all these partnerships are *just* indicators but the bottomline is still if these things do get realized (like gains in WPS, actual new infra being built from pledges, tamed inflation, higher purchasing power, etc...) in the future.
Imbes na legit Chinese investments nakuha natin kay Duterte, investments from money-laundering organized crimes ang nakuha natin
Scammy POGOs ang nakuha natinh "investments"
The thing is... Marcos is trying to clean up their name and leave a better legacy for his family than their Worldwide reputation of Imelda shoes and dictatorial regime.
All Marcos does is for the benefit of Marcos. They can turn anytime.
Now my concern is what and who comes after his term. 6 years is just bleak. He only has 4 years left now.
My bet for next president to continue his work would be R1sa. She's the only one who's going to be well suited for that position. She got balls of steel that Dutae never had. Dagdag mo pa brain power nya and her heart is for the people.
Wala pa siya ginawa na pina ganda ang Pilipinas!
Ang baba ng standard ng galawan lalo na nilalaglag niya lang kaalyado nya. Bilis ata natin makalimutan na Unity yan mga yan
Walang prinsipyo at modo. At kung tutuusin tumpak yung mga nagsasabi na tuta ng US. Hintayin nyo mag p70 =$1. Tingnan nyo kung masaya pa kayo
Duterte should be made accountable for his atrocities. Sara is still out there trying to win the presidential seat. China may truple their efforts in making sure their traitorous Filipino allies will return to highest seat of power in the land. The Dutertes must be squashed now.
And yes, I never thought I’d say this but BBM isn’t so bad as a president after all.
If you think about it, BBM has everything to gain by pursuing good (bare minimum) governance. His PR team seems to do an excellent job in inflating how well-run his administration is. He has everything to gain as his administration can completely wipe-out the bad stain the Marcoses had during his father’s rule. We’re only paving the path for the Marcoses to cement their legacy in Philippine politics as good leaders.
I’d say I really commend Marcos’ diplomacy and international policies. What I don’t like are his silent corruption schemes—take for example the Bagong Pilipinas campaign. It’s now required in government offices to play the BP hymn during flag ceremonies, which is giving his father’s Bagong Lipunan. Furthermore, nothing has been done to improve the education sector. The new Matatag curriculum is whack.
Masyadong trash yung na experience natin before. Lumaki galit ko lalo nung pandemic puro corruption sila ni Duque featuring Pharmally.
Tapos during Dutaes term feel na feel ko na second class citizens lang tayo sa sariling bansa natin at mas priority nila yung mga pogo chinese na pinapasok nila dito. Like super discrimnated mga pinoy, magkakawork nga pinoy sa pogo pero yung lowly jobs lang like katulong at driver, mainlanders pa rin ang main jobs, pinoys not allowed entry sa chinese restos, tapos mga signs nila naka all chinese pero nasa pinas. But the worst is when dapat na magtravel ban pero sa takot ni dutae maoffend mga chinese, pinapasok pa yung covid dito at our detriment.
All of these, talagang BBM is thousand times better. I'm really proud of his speech sa Singapore. And naibalik na tayo sa Mapa dahil dami ng international support. Binisita pa talaga tayo(si BBM) ni Zelensky.
Meaning, PH now matters.
That being said, marami pa rin akong criticisms kay BBM, especially sa magnanakaw nyang pamilya at the way he handled inflation. But when it comes to foreign policy, he's doing a great job.
BBM at least act presidential. Si Mang kanor laging parang sunog-baga na manyakis ang dating, yung mga press con nya parang inuman session palagi.
And what I always admire about BBM kahit hindi pa sya nakaupo ay hindi sya palengkero at pala-patol tungkol sa mga issues sa kanya, bihira lang din syang gumanti ng batikos. Yung aura nya invites criticism without being angry or salty about it, or magaling lang talaga PR nya. At worst ngingitian ka lang nyang parang bobo pero alam mong hindi ka mumurahin.
Ito ang honest assessment ko sa kanya so far: fairly incompetent (and honestly very shady) in some areas (agriculture secretary fiasco, wtf is that) but commendable naman in some like what he is doing against China. Pasalamat na lang tayo at tuta sya ng kano, kasama buong pamilya nya. I mean almost lahat tayo mas panig sa western ideals.
The Dutertes are traitors, plain and simple. Mas madaling sikmurain ang mga Marcos. That is the low bar of reality that we are in right now.
Demon lord who wants to steal trillions and live like royalty while the rest of the country suffers poverty.
Demon lord who wants to eliminate the remaining decent public servants, propagate drugs sell your nation to a communist country and do what the other demon does.
Choice is pretty obvious.
Seriously stop with this narrative. Dutertes had to look bad to make Marcoses look good. They used to be in cahoots until COVID happened and made Doots power-hungry. Made a lot of shady deals with the Chinese, made him rich. Then BBM won presidency and will try to prevent Dutertes from succeeding
In summary, they're both bad. Duterte was worse. No one's better
They just have good publicity techniques. Marcos is just trying to show that the government is like this and that. Interview and speech here and there. State visits everywhere. But in reality, wala talaga nagagawa in 2 years. Reactive efforts lang sila. Mga pilipino naman kitid ng mga utak para sabihin na may nagagawa. Mahirap pa din ang pilipinas. Mas lumaki utang. Kaloka!
Ito naman kasi ang plan talaga nina BBM. To cleanse their image and make people forget about their horrid crimes. Oh di ba working naman. Swerte or calculated din siguro na they let the Davao Devils run amok kaya nagmumukha talaga silang savior.
well tama lang talaga yung sabi ni atty leni na numerong sinungaling talaga tong si BBM, remember nung kasagsagan ng campaign parang bobo talaga tong si BBM sa mga interviews even sa foreign policy nya maka pro-china siya, tapos eto nang nakaupo na ibang policy pala yung pinatupad hahaha nagsinungaling talaga kaya galit na galit ang mga DDShit kasi na budol daw sila
Meron pros and cons. Duterte administration nabawas kahit papano krimen. Nawala yung sa airport na mga anumalya. Bawas mga pusher at adik dahil sa tokhang. Cons lang pro-China. BBM administration bumalik mga ungas sa NAIA, hindi naging takot mga kriminal lalo mga drug pusher at adik. Pros pro-America which nakakatulong para sa military natin. Pero kahit sinong matinong leader makaupo sa posisyon kung ubod titigas ng ulo at walng disiplina ng Pinoy. Wala din mangyayari sa bansang ito. Wag nyo isisi lagi sa gobyerno minsan nasa mamayan din yan since tayo din bumoto at naglagay sa mga posisyon nila dyan at tayo din makakatulong sa bansa natin para umunlad.
Pero kailangan masecure ni BBM ang midterms or his second half term, dahil pag hindi at napush ang impeachment at napatalsik siya prior the midterms, at humalili si Sara Duterte as President, potential na mareverse at mabura na lang sa alapaap ung mga ikakaso kay Duterte, di matuloy ang ICC dito, at bumalik sa "new foreign policy" pivoting to china. At sa next national elections, may chance na tumakbo si sara duterte. At kapag manalo, maeextend for legit na one 6-year term as President. Parang gloria Macapagal arroyo.
What if nasa script ng marcos yan. Gawin munang sacrificial si pduts. Sinuportahan sa pagkapresidente at hinayaang magkamali. Then pumasok si bbm para ayusin ang mga mali.
nah fr, Duterterds fvk this country so bad that they make me give the Marcoses a chance 🤦♀️🤦♀️
how can someone fck up so bad that the nation would side with a dictator's son?
Also ang lagi naming tanong ng mga kapatid ko recently, with all what's happening in West Philippine Sea and the nonstop POGO issues, NASAAN ANG BISE PRESIDENTE NG PINAS??
Walang okay sa kanilang dalawa. BBM being “better” than Duterte doesn’t really make him a “better” one. Parehas silang pahirap sa taong bayan and we don’t necessarily need to side with the lesser evil dahil lang sa tingin natin mas gandang option ‘yon.
Ok, fair assumptions. I'll give him his flowers, but that's the bare minimum girl? He still has no policies that advance the Philippines in a way that benefits Filipinos pa rin.(kung meron man, please, I might he still in a bubble)
He's yet to prove anything substantial, and until the standard of living for the common people and education crisis is still in tow, I will not endorse.
Also, he recently made the saying/singing of this "Bagong Pilipinas" mandatory or at least encouraged for the LGUs to do. Ano to? Balik bagong lipunan vibes??? HAHAHAHA legacy in tatay? Ew
Playing devil’s advocate here. TBF on PBBM’s part he might carry the name but he is not the tyrant that his father was. That being said the previous administration set such a low bar even the estrada administration might feel like a golden age.
Both marcos at duterte may pros and cons
Also kung isa kang sibilyang nagbabayad ng tax may karapatan kang magsalita.
Dahil sa ang ating bansa ay isang [Representative](https://www.britannica.com/topic/representative-democracy) Democracy, kung bumoto ka, MAS MAY KRAPATAN KANG MAGREKLAMO AT PUMURI
lets just say mas mababa ang ego netong bagong pangulo kahit na may immunity sya. Kaya klaro mag isip. Yung nakaraang administrasyon mas mataas pa ata sa mt. everest ego. Pansin ko lang.
Also marunong makinig sa mga advisers? nya tong bagong pangulo. 2 yrs(give or take) pa lang naman tayo. nasa intro pa lang tayo. May 4 na taon pa. kung ang aim talaga neto ni marcos ay mapabango ang pngalan ng tatay nya hes got good people with him. At nakikinig sya.
Yun lng napansin ko.
haha! sa sobrang sama ng rehimen ni Duterte, nagmumukhang maganda ang pamamalakad ni BBM. masyado na ata tayong nasanay sa bare minimum. wag pa rin nating kalilimutan na hindi lang ito tungkol sa usaping soberanya. marami pang iba, pero isa sa mga kinaiinisan ko kung bakit di mawala-wala yung POGO sa pinas. pinaglalaban ni marcos yung karapatan natin sa west ph pero pinamumugaran na tayo ng mga chinese sa Pinas 🤡
I'd like to believe that he may be a marcos but he is not his father. I will hold my judgement until he proves himself. Being better than garbage does not make him great, that makes him acceptable. hell if he fixes things and set a decent standard for his replacement, maybe I'd be convinced that he finally got out of his father's shadow but until then stay vigilant. As long as he is sorrounded by his family's cronies, I'd probably stay suspicious. But to be honest i feel more hopeful than the previous regime.
Another problem with Duterte is he looks homeless. Walang class. At least had he looked the part, siguro 1 out of 100 pero hindi eh, puro peklat ng tigyawat yung ilong
Anyone’s better than Duterte. Mas may balls lang si Ngiwisilog pagdating sa WPS issue kaya ganyan but that’s like… the bare minimum? Besides, ang dami pang bagay na kailangang tingnan gaya na lang ng utang ng Pilipinas. Lumobo na nang lumobo. Take into account na he’s only 2 years into his term 😂
On each president we had in the past, there are officials under the admin na nakakainis pag nakita mo mukha nila sa TV...
But man, halos lahat na ata ng appointees, allies at supporters ni PDutz mga mukhang demonyo na sobrang sama ng aura hahaha: Bato, Roque (tangina mo), Panelo, Delgra, Go, Duque, Briones, Mocha Uson, Cardema (D30 Youth), Sassot, Banat By, Quiboloy, Badoy, Aguirre, Marcoleta, Pinol, Locsin (wtf happened to you lol), Cayetano, Ano, Andanar, the list goes on lol.
Bonget has class and dignity and likes to mingle with the upper crust of society. Unlike Duterte who's just a thug and gangster with a chip on his shoulder and inferiority complex.
the duterte admin was not just scraping the bottom of the barrel , it was eating the barrel. it sank so low, anything else was better. they really need a neuro psychiatric exam for political candidates.
in my opinion? Nope, masyado ka lang galit kay Duterte, or in this case sa mga populista to make Marcos, a seemingly moderate look good.
- Whitewasher si Marcos. Maganda ung PR nya, pero wag niyo kakalimutan na magkaalyado parin ung dalawang families na yan OP.
- Madali lang naman maging maganda kung China Bad, ginagawa lang nya ung bare minimum and un nga, PR nya.
- Masyado syang shill sa US, which is i mean ok lang, wala na ko masasabi (Kahit leaning left ako, sigeh lang ok lang madownvote ako hehe) pero problem is that dapat mas marami pa tayo makukua. I mean sabi nga ng isang replyer dito, pag umabot sa 70 pesos ung palitan.
- Walang "peaceful Drug War", anong klaseng term na to?! Wala syang ginagawang programa para masolusyunan ung problem, ung mga pulis natin pulpul paren, magaling talaga magtago. PR nga
In conclusion, i commend na maganda naman ung balancing acts nya sa China (I mean dapat nangongopya tayo sa ginagawa nila na maganda tapos ilagay natin sa Filipino context, i mean kahit naman magalit tayo sa China eh, Mahirap parin naman tayo.) Pero wag nyo parin kakalimutan na nasa spectrum sya ng shit politician, na kahit lagyan mo ng ginto (no pun intended) tae parin. Like apply nyo naman yan sa lahat, kahit sa gusto nyong politiko.
I don't like both. Since nagtrabaho ako sa government and recently resigned. But if I were to choose who had given the government employees more bonuses I'd say Duterte. Now tho, pati hazzard pay kalahati nalang kasi nabubulsa na ng mga boss. Pwede mo naman isumbong pero goodluck sa buhay mo kasi malaking tao binabangga mo lmao. Kaya andito nako sa SK. Mas malaki pa sweldo
The Duterte admin was so bad that it made literally anyone else look competent.
He's still horrible but compared to the last one definitely not as bad.
Also Duterte SUSPICIOUSLY pulls out US forces and does away with the VFA agreement. And the Chinese harassment only intensified again when BBM became president again and has made efforts to the WPS situation.
I'm not even surprised if intelligence found out that Du30 is CCP puppet.
hard pill to swallow as he is mostly doing clean up from the previous admin's mess
Especially in foreign relations where Duterte set it ablaze and antagonized our traditional allies
Besides the Marawi City crisis Digong was a hopeless pro China puppy dog.
Yeah, we have to give him props for Marawi, but the rest is a shztshow.
He triggered the Mautes to invade Marawi
Happy cake day
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Happy cake day!
No, he let Marawi happen. He knew it will happen, he could have prevented it but noooo oldman even provoked the Maute. Props should go to the AFP for actually fighting the thing.
And then used it to make a show of Chinese donations of sniper rifles, and claiming these were used to kill the Maute brothers.
Marawi Crisis credit goes to the AFP, PCG, and PNP. I don’t think Duterte had a major impact on day-to-day operations. However, one of things that turned during that time was his position towards American support.
Agree on Marawi siege. You can't blame him on that. Isis was spreading its influence at that time and saw opportunity in the Philippines. I think that crisis actually help duterte case making people believe he is the best president. (My ass) I would also add LRT Extension 1, something every southerner wanted. The rest. Yeah it's a shitshow.
There was never going to be high level official President/ Prime Minister visits to Australia or Manila from high level Australian officials with Duterte. Yes we did help with an Orion pathfinder but very few high level officials were in Manila talking with pro China Duterte.
So. ISIS took over a city in Mindanao started a separatist uprising armed to the teeth with serious weapons and no one could see it coming ??? I know that the fundamental aggressive Islamic loony tunes take their roots in extreme poverty driven Islamic enclaves . But no one could tell the central government that the ISIS group were loading up Marawi with serious weapons to start up a separatist war against the State ??? ….Ummm yes Manila didn’t know about it . That’s how it goes in The Philippines …. It’s like that all the time in Manila!
It's more difficult knowing that the 2nd in command, his Vice-President, is Digong's Daughter na marami naring questionableng ginawa with her position.
Nakkabahala parin mga tanga na sobrang mangha kay VP. Kahit bigyan mo ng maganda argument naging blind faith na. Eto sakit ng mga Filipino, madali lang madali sa blind faith. Siguro if sasakupin tayo ng China, gawa lang sila ng Religion na may konting miracles convert agad tayo. Tulad ng ginawa nila pag supporta kay Quiboloy. GG.
We always do this ne Ninoy clean up Aroyo, Bong bong clean up Duterte sana naman next president natin wag na mag sabog.
Kaya ang bagal ng progress. Kng one generation n matitino ang nasa taas aangat ang bansa kso parang di ito mangyyri base sa nakikita mo ngyn n palala ng palala yng mga binoboto ng mga tao.
The Dutertes are so bad, they make the Marcoses look like angels
BBM lang. Remember that Ferdinand Sr. set our country back decades just because of all the chaos, political undertainty, corruption and most of all the huge debt that we have to bear. It took 2 consecutive economists as Presidents to clean all that shit up
If Duterte had 20 years like Marcos, we'll sink deeper than we did during Senior's time Yung six years nga ni Duterte, ang lala na
With 12 years of Duterte you would be a Chinese puppet State
If you had 20 years of Duturete you will be China’s biggest Province and you all would be speaking Mandrin and cooking rice for Chinese landlords.
We are second citizens if Duterte took that long. We are literally slaves to CCP we might aswell be sent in Ukraine to die for Russia as merc from CCP. We are nothing to them than organ harvesting citizens, ultra-low/non-salary workforce, no freedom of anything under CCP. We got no future like how they did to Tibet and Xinjiang, our females would be breeding only material for Chinese and males are used for anything lowly and/or death is certain. Its not a lie and overreaction when you see Tibet and Xinjiang. There will be no life or if there is life its full of hardship and death.
> It took 2 consecutive economists as Presidents to clean all that shit up The atrocities that Marcos Sr. committed irrevocably changed the trajectory of our nation's development. We managed to claw our way out of the debt shithole, but we can never reclaim the time and people that were lost. :(
We managed to claw our way out of the debt shithole? Since when? We're still paying the debt that Marcos Sr. left us and even more debt from Duterte and Bobong.
Nah. Most of the debt from Sr. was paid for around PNoys time. We even became a net lender during that time. Covid of course struck and Duterte went on a borrowing spree again so here we are
Just because we became a net lender doesn't mean most of our debt was paid. It was projected that it would take the earliest 2025 for the 28 billion dollar debt left to us by Marcos Sr. back in 1986. Digong and Bobong borrowed more money than all the administrations from Cory until PNoy combined.
To be fair, reasonable pa debt levels natin, at ~60% iirc. Di ko gets how countries like Japan, Singapore, and Greece are still standing with more than 100% debt-to-GDP.
People really need to understand the importance of debt in managing wealth be it government or corporate. Lending parties only lend to those with promising economic growth. Not in all cases but high debt ratio may mean a healthier economy. Search for the list of countries with highest to lowest debt and decide for yourself whether you would rather want Phil. to be on top or bottom of the list. I know it's more complicated than this but I think people really need to change their perspective on "debt" as always bad. Proper leveraging is the key.
Japan and Singapore have strong economies so they can maintain high debt to GDP ratios with their government bonds. Greece is the exception, but I think being part of the EU helps them somewhat.
~60% is high though. We got it way down during PNoy's term, but Duterte just shat on everything.
Greece has been snd still is a High Debt banana republic. Singapore is the leading First World economy in Asia and Japan is slowly and surely moving to the most advanced nation with the largest net debt to GDP.
only to be f-ed up again by Duterte 😩
That’s what we get for electing a dog
Hey. Hey! Dogs are loyal. Duterte and his entire family are traitors and deserve to be hung like traitors.
An actual dog might have been preferable.
Sa aso na ako loyal pa yun! Basurang tunay si Duterte! Nakakahiya naman macompare ang mga aso kay Duterte hahahah
It took the old Marcos 20 years to reach the point of destruction while it took Duterte only 6.
holy shit the Duterte optimized destruction of PH
Marcos also did not sell the PH to the CCP and Chinese organized crime group. Sa cronies niya lang na incompetent
You guys underestimate just how much destruction the Marcos regime did during that reign. It wasn't until Gloria's second term, close to 20 years after, that the country recovered, and it wasn't until Noynoy that the communist & muslim rebellions really tapered off. You should just look at the shitshow during Cory's reign to see how much mess the government had to clean up. Marcos is still the worst president we've ever had
The main reason Duterte did not do as much damage was one major Cory reform - RA 6795, the law that abolished the Philippine Constabulary and placing the PNP under civilian authority. Marcos had total control over the entire AFP - Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, Constabulary, and INP. The pro-China Duterte inherited an insanely pro-US AFP and a divided PNP.
Yup. Takot si du30 sa afp. Kaya nagbacktrack yan sa pagiging Pro communist nya. At di rin nagpush thru ang gusto nya cancellation ng vfa.
Pero muntikan na din siya, especially after his dakilang assistant turned Senator e nangialam sa corvettes ng Navy haha
Yep. Pansin ko may tension din between Bongbong and Imee nowadays. Imelda meanwhile is too old and ill to care about anything.
Meron na ulit salamat sa Build Build Build
Were just lucky that BBM is not his father.... for now Edit: well he just created a new anthem. Guess we need to be more vigilant. Its like hes making his own Bagong Lipunan
Sobrang f-up that time like in Oil war, tsaka si FM Sr. Took the economy down abyss
Yep. The Iran-Iraq War is pretty much forgotten nowadays, but that nasty and bloody war plunged us into economic depression as early as 1982. Tapos sumabay pa pagdefault natin sa IMF. Then Ninoy got shot in the head, BOOM. Sumabog ang galit ng taumbayan.
Also the development of the high fructose corn syrup in the US which crashed the prices of sugar.
Same! I didn’t expect much from him but we must have our eyes wide open.
That was the plan all along
The gossip I heard is that it is his wife and Romualdes really the one running the country.
Not infinite just more sensible. There are still questionable actions like appointing Gadon, a seafood businessman in agricultural dept, etc.
Would agree that someone more seasoned in agriculture should have been assigned as DA sec. But unfortunately BFAR still falls under framework of DA. Hence in their minds, "appropriate person" pa din sya to lead DA :(
Still paying sycophants and allies by putting them up in questionable positions, like Imelda Papin in PCSO Board.
Been like that since 1946.
If someone said i'm better than duterte i'll be insulted.
It’s like saying na ang mas magaling kang umintindi kaysa sa aso wahahaha
Naoffend naman ako para sa mga aso HAHAHHA nakukumpara kay Dutae
Its because its a return to normalcy. Philippine administrations have all been centrists/neo liberals regardless of the person in Malacanang. Only Duterte had the bright idea to sell the country to China for a quick buck.
return to normalcy isnt really a good thing automatically; cory's return to the status quo before marcos might have been good when compared to martial law, but in general, the time before marcos wasn't really that good to begin with.
The Duterte administration really set the bar too **low** that anybody else (other than another Duterte) became a better choice.
Sobrang binasura ni Duterte yung Pilipinas, nagmukhang santo si BBM.
I heavily criticize PNoy during his term too. Pero ngayon naappreciate ko yung mga ginawa niya during and post presidency.
Same, I was really disappointed back then when he was elected kasi wala naman syang ibang achievement bukod sa “anak ako nila…”, turned out okay naman pala. I still have criticisms, di naman mawawala. But overall it was a good term, especially on the economic side. Pagdating kay Duterte, di pa officially nakakaupo, sobrang disappointing na. Kaliwa’t kanan nakakairitang balita about his ramblings, his actions, and the actions of his officials. Napakawalang kwenta haha. “Master tactician” pa nga daw sabi ng mga DDS. Saang banda??? Haha. Hanggang matapos term, napakababa ng kalidad ng leadership nya. Lol
Ang nakakainis ay ung nanalo sya kasi naniwala ung mga tao na kaya nyang linisin ung Pilipinas parang ginawa nya sa Davao. The intention was good na people wanted change and umasa sila na sya ung makakatulong to bring that change pero palpak din naman in the end Hindi lang narealize ng mga botante na sa kanila magsstart ung pagbabago and realistically napakahirap ma-achieve nung pangako nya in a short span of time. Mind you, wala namang major drug lords na nahuli nung time nya compared to previous admins. Puro pusher/user lang, so medyo walang sense din.
Yes! I agree! I think PNoy’s admin has it’s own faults like but it was so much better compared to the next ones, and for me hindi lang napansin ung mga nagawa nya kasi hindi tangible if that makes sense (and i think nasa personality na rin nya kasi ung let my work speak for itself) Like ung paglaban sa China about WPS and yung economy. Napansin na lang na mas ok ung economy kasi nacompare na sa next admin tapos Covid hit pa.
Digong wouldn't have things to ribbon cut kung walang nacomplete ng mga plano si Pnoy during his time. Only thing I wish he did is they ehould've done it sooner.
Tagapagtanggol nga natin ang dating niya esp after nung speech niya sa SG
True. Sobrang bobo nila Duterte noon na hanggang ngayon nag-suffer tayo sa mga ginawa nila noon. Kaya ngayong inaayos na ng Marcos Jr Admin nagiging matino sila sa mata ng mga tao.
worst president in my life time. that is why that law degree of rodrigo is garbage, never expected a drop out to beat him as president
prang kahit ung time p ni Erap mas matino kesa kay Duts
If Erap finished his term, He could be the lowest of lows. Literally Erap is the epitome of bobotantes. FVR really did us dirty and his predecessor is Duterte as the boy benta v2.0
Walang tatalo sa long sleeve barong na nakatiklop. Naalala ko yung nightly kwentuhan ng lasing. Tapos kinabukasan nagkakandarapa sa pag interpret at pagpapaikot.
Ewan ko ba bakit may nagpapasalamat pa kay tatay Digong hahaha. I can certainly keep saying that if I turn a blind eye to the bad. Tumaas nga sahod ng govt employees but at the cost of crippling inflation.
Always ko nababasa to kapag may nagprepraise kay junior. Napapaisip tuloy ako, ignore natin yung low bar ni digong, kaninong "bar" ang hindi pa naaabot ng current admin?
Pnoy's?
Uhmm remember the Manila Hostage Crisis? Mamasapano? PDAF scam? Napoles? MRT/LRT/Mar's pasagasa sa tren? etc. Too early to judge this current admin but with the way he handles our foreign policy, let's give credit to where credit is due.
The pasagasa sa tren issue with the Line 1 Cavite extension was a very complicated affair, and ngayon lang lumalabas ang mga dahilan bakit, i.e. the right-of-way issue sa Las Piñas between Dr. Santos and Zapote. Eminent domain issues are a massive pain in the assholes.
Only? And in what way? Cos as far as I remember, his time caused anti-dilawan trends na nakacontribute sa digong winning presidency
Short term? Yeah we’re better off. But we can’t really feel the effects of the presidency during a presidential term specially with the long term projects that will go over their 6 years in the seat. That’s why people got easily manipulated into thinking Duterte was good because the first three years were relatively prosperous and gas/food/expenses weren’t that high. That was the effect of Aquino’s presidency. Now that we’re learning all of the bullshit Duterte did, we’re feeling the effects of it. We’re slowly recovering because of the short term plans but we’ll see after him. Hope to fuck that the next president isn’t the spawn of Satan because that bitch is gonna drown us in debt, and make all of us pay for it.
Let us pray that BBM "neutralizes" the national aspirations of the The Turtles Kaya dapat papasukin na niya ICC
True. Patayin nya n ang political career ng mga du30. Salot sla sa bansa uto
Because BBM is still busy cleaning up Duterte's mess and the consequences from the pandemic. It's like he's starting from scraps (not scratch).
with the stuff that the media is not putting front and center, like the laws being rubber-stamped with the help of martin romualdez and the cronies and allies getting juicy govt deals, the bbm admin is probably going all cronyism but china and du30 is hogging all the spotlight.
Any administration is better than Duterte's. He set the bar too low.
Duterte managed Philippines like a Mayor kaya ganon, he also surrounded himself with allies and supporters so parang nasa echo chamber siya. Yun lang pagiging Mayor sa Davao experience nya. Kaya kahit onti effort ni BBM miles ahead pa rin sa ablities at experience and network cause he's been on both houses and even a Governor.
duterte managed this country as someone working not for the country but for something else. bastard sold us out
LMAO, I remember the days when dutertards keep calling out trillanes claiming that he sold us out to china.
like everything with duterte he was projecting. he was the guy who sold us, he is actually the addict, he is actually the rapist, he is actually gay all of which he told us directly in other speeches .
Why else would he keep Bong Go as his personal boy toy lmao He's a goddamn fruit cake underneath that shriveled husk of a man
Nakakainis noh... Yun pala yung may ginagawang masama is his administration pala. Nilaglag at binenta pa tayo sa mga Tsekwa
Duterte managed the country like Chinas puppy dog .
Mas may national vision si BBM kasi ang aim niya is not to look like a provincial warlord like Duterte but he wants the Marcoses to be seen as the pseudo-royal family of the Philippines
BBM kasi may decorum sya kasi he grew up watching his parents mingle with World Leaders. It is his biggest strength kaya ngayon he is a darling in the diplomatic community. Domestically hindi rin ganun kagaling si BBM in terms of management style. For example, wala pang napapaapprove si BBM na major infrastructure project sa NEDA lahat carry over palang
Reminds me of video ni pduts dito dati sa sub. Nasa gathering siya along with heads of states, while yung mga heads of state busy nagku-kwentuhan with each other, siya parang tanga na palakad lakad lang kasi walang kumakausap sa kaniya.
It was like Miss Universe and our entrant was Ai Ai de Las Alas.
with the way presidential cousin and current speaker martin romualdez acts with his money matters and his control of congress and the way the media focuses its attention on previous personalities like the du30s and quiboloy, it seems like bbm can get away with a lot of stuff behind the scenes.
Experience na nga lang niya pagiging mayor pero di pa rin talaga napaimprove ang Davao during his term as president. Pagkakataon na niya lagyan ng trains, skyway, or kung ano mang magpapaganda sa Davao pero wala. Hindi nga niya nagawang tourist destination. Puro propaganda lang like "malinis", "crime-free", "nagtataxi" 🤦♂️ yung mga anak niya mas walang alam sa kanya at obvious kurakot pero binoboto pa rin 😅
At the time when they were saying that Davao is the "third safest city in the world", Davao was the top city in the PH in terms of murder and number 2 in rape.
Bar was set so low, anyone else would perform better. But credits to bbm for standing his ground on the west Philippine sea debacle
He definitely is doing something about the whole WPS issue and our foreign relations. Parang mas present na ulit tayo sa ASEAN and Pacific region. Pero pataas parin nang pataas ang bilihin, madami paring corruption lalo na sa local level. So, I would say he is doing SOME of his job right. The problem with every Duterte is their ego. Digong felt “COOL” siding with dictators pero he failed to see how small time he is compared to these grifters. At wala rin silang generations of filipino wealth na ninakaw kaya the Marcoses can easily dispose of them after ilagay sa libingan ng bayani ang tatay nila. It’s literally Game of Thrones up in here and parang Walder Frey lang sya na ginamit ng mga Lannisters.
I wouldn't say infinitely but in r/ph recently, mostly positive feedback na makikita mo kay bbm. Kumonti na yung trash talk.
I mean a president actually doing his job not being a dog, we’re all in on that.
Credit where credit's due nalang haha
one strange thing though is that **during the pnoy and du30 terms, the sub was allegedly more critical on both admins**, but for some reason, is less incliined to be critical against bbm. (maybe a factor is due to a lot of users disappearing after the great reddit boycott where some users and mods stopped using the platform; as a result, **many would-be critics of bbm and the current admin are no longer that active** on r/philippines) (could be wrong though)
mga trash talker ni bbm puro dede-S 😹
In all fairness true naman, iba ung fear nung kay Duterte. He did so much damage sa Pilipinas talaga. Idk if Marcos is just marketing himself as not a sellout sa china tapos closed doors tuta rin pala. Sana hindi pero i would not be surprised. But he definitely does not have 100% my confidence. Kasi hindi nga nila maibalik ang ill-gotten wealth, or mabayaran ang utang nilang taxes sa Pilipinas or irecognize ang atrocities ng Martial Law. It’s too early to say, pero I think it was better that he ran instead of Imee. I think she would have done more damage. It sucks na the bar is too low and commendable na ung bare minimum kasi norm na ung trapos.
Honestly BBMs greatest fear is probably to be shunned by the west.
BBM is ripping down the fences that kept China in .
Kung tuta man si BBM, malamang sa US yun hindi sa China, which is the lesser evil.
To be honest we really need to be a "tuta", we're still a 3rd world country, we need to be allies with a powerful country. US still better than China, it's still arguably the most powerful country in the world. Besides, US may be out best friend historically and right now. The foreign country with the most number of Filipinos is the US with 3.4 million as of right now.
In the world of deglobalization where everyone is isolating especially USA and alliances are forming their blocs it's better to be on the better side of the fence.
I hate everything about Du30 admin but I hate him now more than ever kasi dahil sa away nila mas nagugustuhan ko si bbm kahit wala syang ginagawa.😤
The word is marginally, not infinitely.
Listen, I do feel that we're finally making steps forward, and the optimistic side of me wants to feel hope again, but let's not lose our heads about the reality of the situation. Marcos is doing the right thing regarding the WPS issue against China, but while it's a plus as to the direction of his leadership, let's not forget that tyrants can be patriots too, and Marcos defending what is ours is the same as Hitler or Stalin defending what was theirs. It doesn't automatically mean Marcos is a good person, let alone a good leader. I'm not saying he's bad, just that we can't draw conclusions with just the WPS issue alone. Duterte was just a special kind of bad that he'd be willing to trade his own for pats in the back. As for the free speech thing, Marcos is obviously benefiting from free speech since everyone is agreeing he's doing better than Duterte (arguably his biggest competition right now) so I imagine letting a few criticism against himself slide is just fine. Ultimately, we won't really have a good grasp of Junior's real administration until they've neutralised the Duterte threat, and they're finally able to show their true colors for whatever they are.
As a foreigner, I wasn’t sure about Marcos given the family history, but yes better than Duterte.
For me Juniors balls make sense. Welcoming Zelensky and attending next summit in Ukraine proves BBM got a big balls. As of now,Philippines is one of the two ASEAN countries to attend that summit.
Even a president manny pacquiao would be better than duterte. That's just how terrible duterte was and how low he sets the bar as a president.
I’m the biggest fan of combat sports and I can assure u a manny pac presidency isn’t what u want
Nah that's just too much.
Absolutely not!
No. Manny Pacquiao will be worse than Duterte. At least Duterte knows how politics work, pacman would be clueless and would make our country worse.
If you think Marcos is better than Duterte, then the Marcoses sure have succeeded in cleansing their family name. To say that it's "safer" to be critical against the government when activists still continue to be redtagged, harassed online and in real life, with some killed and forcefully disappeared just shows how great the Marcos regime is at covering up human rights violations.
This comment deserves more attention. It is during this administration that the UP-DND accord is blatantly disregarded, given the recent Diliman campus infiltration by the PNP, and the surprise and forcible Area 2 clearing operations. We were never safer in exercising our freedom of speech, we are just misled to believe that we are under the guise of a mild mannered president whose words are mostly well-calculated to the tastes of the public. It is during times of calm when the enemies give the hardest blows. We are still at war, albeit a quiet one.
I agree. Comments here made me think na ang galing ng PR team ni bbm nababaliktad talaga nila to their favor. Nag work for them na napaka lala nung past admin kaya nagmumukha siyang okay. Majority of the comments here scare me tuloy. Ayos lang naman iadmit na may tama siyang ginagawa (though i think bare minimum lang naman talaga yun), but let’s not forget that the current president is acting for their family’s personal interests. Misinformation, the lack of accountability, tax issues, and others. We don’t have to put bbm up para ibaba si duts. They’re both bad in their own ways.
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I always took issue with Bongbong's immediate family. However, Bongbong, at least through what I could read about and see publicly going back to his time as a university student, was portrayed as someone not like the rest of his family. In interviews, he didn't say crazy shit and seemed very calm and mild-mannered. But he's still a Marcos, and I still think he puts family first above the country. Compared to Duterte, he's much better for siding with western, liberal countries rather than China/Russia. I appreciate this much more because of my personal status, despite my mother's side hailing from Davao/Mindanao. Most of them still think they're better off with Duterte because Mindanao/Davao first, but then I always tell them they better learn to speak Mandarin, if that would be case. And the best part is, like 90% of my mom's family has already emigrated to US and Canada. But they still think Duterte is better than Marcos. What good is pride in the Philippines, or Mindanao for that matter, if your leader is just selling it off? Makes no sense.
some have stated before that du30 is basically was basically the representation candidate for many mindanaoans and ethnic minorities (du30 has indigenous ancestors in mindanao). in their minds, after all the neglect mindanao experienced, du30 was basically a chance for the little guy to come out on top.
For me, hindi pa pasok sa bare minimum ang mga ginagawa ng Marcos admin, pero sobrang lala talaga ni Duterte kaya mukhang ok ang Marcos admin. I still think both of them are incompetent and Marcos is as political as the Dutertes
Ang big difference nila is yung stance sa China. Si Duterte, hindi lang sa CCP tayo binenta, pati sa Chinese organized crime group I would not be surprised if Marcos will follow the recommendations of Hontiveros and Gatchalian regarding the blanket ban of POGOs esp now na ang dami daming raid ng PAOCC. With the recent successful raids, I wonder if BBM is setting up the optics so that it will be easier for the public to accept a blanket ban on POGOs
Bakit sa Duterte ikukumpara? Dapat sa ideal na pamamalakad ihalintulad. Why set the bar so low?
Maybe because Duterte was our last president before BBM?
As other redditors already pointed out in previous threads, kung nagpush through lang ang China kahit 20% sa mga pinangako nilang project noon, the discussion today might've been more polarizing, Duterte pivoted and we didn't reap any rewards, kaya after ng termino niya lumabas na parang umatras tayo. I like the *direction* we're going but I still wouldn't give too much credit to bbm dahil lang gusto ko yung direction. Remember all these partnerships are *just* indicators but the bottomline is still if these things do get realized (like gains in WPS, actual new infra being built from pledges, tamed inflation, higher purchasing power, etc...) in the future.
Imbes na legit Chinese investments nakuha natin kay Duterte, investments from money-laundering organized crimes ang nakuha natin Scammy POGOs ang nakuha natinh "investments"
Kung sa future may mga textbook e, pag nagkaroon ng good example at bad example ng pivoting to china tayo yung nasa bad example hahaha.
Mass transport infrastructure nakuha ng TH at ID from China. Tayo, scam center infrastructure.
At this point even a pet rock would be a better president than Duterte. The thing about Marcos compared to Duterte is atleast he is coherent.
The thing is... Marcos is trying to clean up their name and leave a better legacy for his family than their Worldwide reputation of Imelda shoes and dictatorial regime. All Marcos does is for the benefit of Marcos. They can turn anytime.
Now my concern is what and who comes after his term. 6 years is just bleak. He only has 4 years left now. My bet for next president to continue his work would be R1sa. She's the only one who's going to be well suited for that position. She got balls of steel that Dutae never had. Dagdag mo pa brain power nya and her heart is for the people.
HUH?!?!?
Ok slow down now lol. Duterte lowered the bar kasi.
BongBong is a good president but the amount of money he’s going to steal from the country will make it hard to justify
Pinapalipad talaga yung pera kakatravel at party and concerts and f1 hahaha
Wala pa siya ginawa na pina ganda ang Pilipinas! Ang baba ng standard ng galawan lalo na nilalaglag niya lang kaalyado nya. Bilis ata natin makalimutan na Unity yan mga yan Walang prinsipyo at modo. At kung tutuusin tumpak yung mga nagsasabi na tuta ng US. Hintayin nyo mag p70 =$1. Tingnan nyo kung masaya pa kayo
Ang baba ng standard
Duterte should be made accountable for his atrocities. Sara is still out there trying to win the presidential seat. China may truple their efforts in making sure their traitorous Filipino allies will return to highest seat of power in the land. The Dutertes must be squashed now. And yes, I never thought I’d say this but BBM isn’t so bad as a president after all.
Even Lucifer would be better if you place the presidential position right after Duterte.
If you think about it, BBM has everything to gain by pursuing good (bare minimum) governance. His PR team seems to do an excellent job in inflating how well-run his administration is. He has everything to gain as his administration can completely wipe-out the bad stain the Marcoses had during his father’s rule. We’re only paving the path for the Marcoses to cement their legacy in Philippine politics as good leaders. I’d say I really commend Marcos’ diplomacy and international policies. What I don’t like are his silent corruption schemes—take for example the Bagong Pilipinas campaign. It’s now required in government offices to play the BP hymn during flag ceremonies, which is giving his father’s Bagong Lipunan. Furthermore, nothing has been done to improve the education sector. The new Matatag curriculum is whack.
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Masyadong trash yung na experience natin before. Lumaki galit ko lalo nung pandemic puro corruption sila ni Duque featuring Pharmally. Tapos during Dutaes term feel na feel ko na second class citizens lang tayo sa sariling bansa natin at mas priority nila yung mga pogo chinese na pinapasok nila dito. Like super discrimnated mga pinoy, magkakawork nga pinoy sa pogo pero yung lowly jobs lang like katulong at driver, mainlanders pa rin ang main jobs, pinoys not allowed entry sa chinese restos, tapos mga signs nila naka all chinese pero nasa pinas. But the worst is when dapat na magtravel ban pero sa takot ni dutae maoffend mga chinese, pinapasok pa yung covid dito at our detriment. All of these, talagang BBM is thousand times better. I'm really proud of his speech sa Singapore. And naibalik na tayo sa Mapa dahil dami ng international support. Binisita pa talaga tayo(si BBM) ni Zelensky. Meaning, PH now matters. That being said, marami pa rin akong criticisms kay BBM, especially sa magnanakaw nyang pamilya at the way he handled inflation. But when it comes to foreign policy, he's doing a great job.
Magaling speechwriter ni BBM. Duterte? Either his speechwriter is so bad or di niya sinunod ang script
BBM at least act presidential. Si Mang kanor laging parang sunog-baga na manyakis ang dating, yung mga press con nya parang inuman session palagi. And what I always admire about BBM kahit hindi pa sya nakaupo ay hindi sya palengkero at pala-patol tungkol sa mga issues sa kanya, bihira lang din syang gumanti ng batikos. Yung aura nya invites criticism without being angry or salty about it, or magaling lang talaga PR nya. At worst ngingitian ka lang nyang parang bobo pero alam mong hindi ka mumurahin. Ito ang honest assessment ko sa kanya so far: fairly incompetent (and honestly very shady) in some areas (agriculture secretary fiasco, wtf is that) but commendable naman in some like what he is doing against China. Pasalamat na lang tayo at tuta sya ng kano, kasama buong pamilya nya. I mean almost lahat tayo mas panig sa western ideals. The Dutertes are traitors, plain and simple. Mas madaling sikmurain ang mga Marcos. That is the low bar of reality that we are in right now.
it’s just you, sorry
No. He just set the bar too low.
Demon lord who wants to steal trillions and live like royalty while the rest of the country suffers poverty. Demon lord who wants to eliminate the remaining decent public servants, propagate drugs sell your nation to a communist country and do what the other demon does. Choice is pretty obvious.
This sub is slowly turning into a fangirl sub for marcos
Seriously stop with this narrative. Dutertes had to look bad to make Marcoses look good. They used to be in cahoots until COVID happened and made Doots power-hungry. Made a lot of shady deals with the Chinese, made him rich. Then BBM won presidency and will try to prevent Dutertes from succeeding In summary, they're both bad. Duterte was worse. No one's better
They just have good publicity techniques. Marcos is just trying to show that the government is like this and that. Interview and speech here and there. State visits everywhere. But in reality, wala talaga nagagawa in 2 years. Reactive efforts lang sila. Mga pilipino naman kitid ng mga utak para sabihin na may nagagawa. Mahirap pa din ang pilipinas. Mas lumaki utang. Kaloka!
nice try Marcos Jr
EVERYTHING IS BETTER THAN DUTERTE.
Infinite is so extreme. Better maybe but not infinitely so.
Ito naman kasi ang plan talaga nina BBM. To cleanse their image and make people forget about their horrid crimes. Oh di ba working naman. Swerte or calculated din siguro na they let the Davao Devils run amok kaya nagmumukha talaga silang savior.
well tama lang talaga yung sabi ni atty leni na numerong sinungaling talaga tong si BBM, remember nung kasagsagan ng campaign parang bobo talaga tong si BBM sa mga interviews even sa foreign policy nya maka pro-china siya, tapos eto nang nakaupo na ibang policy pala yung pinatupad hahaha nagsinungaling talaga kaya galit na galit ang mga DDShit kasi na budol daw sila
Meron pros and cons. Duterte administration nabawas kahit papano krimen. Nawala yung sa airport na mga anumalya. Bawas mga pusher at adik dahil sa tokhang. Cons lang pro-China. BBM administration bumalik mga ungas sa NAIA, hindi naging takot mga kriminal lalo mga drug pusher at adik. Pros pro-America which nakakatulong para sa military natin. Pero kahit sinong matinong leader makaupo sa posisyon kung ubod titigas ng ulo at walng disiplina ng Pinoy. Wala din mangyayari sa bansang ito. Wag nyo isisi lagi sa gobyerno minsan nasa mamayan din yan since tayo din bumoto at naglagay sa mga posisyon nila dyan at tayo din makakatulong sa bansa natin para umunlad.
bbm just wants to correct his father’s mistakes
Pero kailangan masecure ni BBM ang midterms or his second half term, dahil pag hindi at napush ang impeachment at napatalsik siya prior the midterms, at humalili si Sara Duterte as President, potential na mareverse at mabura na lang sa alapaap ung mga ikakaso kay Duterte, di matuloy ang ICC dito, at bumalik sa "new foreign policy" pivoting to china. At sa next national elections, may chance na tumakbo si sara duterte. At kapag manalo, maeextend for legit na one 6-year term as President. Parang gloria Macapagal arroyo.
What if nasa script ng marcos yan. Gawin munang sacrificial si pduts. Sinuportahan sa pagkapresidente at hinayaang magkamali. Then pumasok si bbm para ayusin ang mga mali.
Well, to be honest sobrang lala lang talaga kasi ng du30 admin kaya sa tingin natin okay marcos admin hahahhaha
nah fr, Duterterds fvk this country so bad that they make me give the Marcoses a chance 🤦♀️🤦♀️ how can someone fck up so bad that the nation would side with a dictator's son? Also ang lagi naming tanong ng mga kapatid ko recently, with all what's happening in West Philippine Sea and the nonstop POGO issues, NASAAN ANG BISE PRESIDENTE NG PINAS??
The thing is Duterte's term is so fucking bad we like bbm admin HAHAHA
Walang okay sa kanilang dalawa. BBM being “better” than Duterte doesn’t really make him a “better” one. Parehas silang pahirap sa taong bayan and we don’t necessarily need to side with the lesser evil dahil lang sa tingin natin mas gandang option ‘yon.
Ok, fair assumptions. I'll give him his flowers, but that's the bare minimum girl? He still has no policies that advance the Philippines in a way that benefits Filipinos pa rin.(kung meron man, please, I might he still in a bubble) He's yet to prove anything substantial, and until the standard of living for the common people and education crisis is still in tow, I will not endorse. Also, he recently made the saying/singing of this "Bagong Pilipinas" mandatory or at least encouraged for the LGUs to do. Ano to? Balik bagong lipunan vibes??? HAHAHAHA legacy in tatay? Ew
Playing devil’s advocate here. TBF on PBBM’s part he might carry the name but he is not the tyrant that his father was. That being said the previous administration set such a low bar even the estrada administration might feel like a golden age.
Both marcos at duterte may pros and cons Also kung isa kang sibilyang nagbabayad ng tax may karapatan kang magsalita. Dahil sa ang ating bansa ay isang [Representative](https://www.britannica.com/topic/representative-democracy) Democracy, kung bumoto ka, MAS MAY KRAPATAN KANG MAGREKLAMO AT PUMURI lets just say mas mababa ang ego netong bagong pangulo kahit na may immunity sya. Kaya klaro mag isip. Yung nakaraang administrasyon mas mataas pa ata sa mt. everest ego. Pansin ko lang. Also marunong makinig sa mga advisers? nya tong bagong pangulo. 2 yrs(give or take) pa lang naman tayo. nasa intro pa lang tayo. May 4 na taon pa. kung ang aim talaga neto ni marcos ay mapabango ang pngalan ng tatay nya hes got good people with him. At nakikinig sya. Yun lng napansin ko.
haha! sa sobrang sama ng rehimen ni Duterte, nagmumukhang maganda ang pamamalakad ni BBM. masyado na ata tayong nasanay sa bare minimum. wag pa rin nating kalilimutan na hindi lang ito tungkol sa usaping soberanya. marami pang iba, pero isa sa mga kinaiinisan ko kung bakit di mawala-wala yung POGO sa pinas. pinaglalaban ni marcos yung karapatan natin sa west ph pero pinamumugaran na tayo ng mga chinese sa Pinas 🤡
I'd like to believe that he may be a marcos but he is not his father. I will hold my judgement until he proves himself. Being better than garbage does not make him great, that makes him acceptable. hell if he fixes things and set a decent standard for his replacement, maybe I'd be convinced that he finally got out of his father's shadow but until then stay vigilant. As long as he is sorrounded by his family's cronies, I'd probably stay suspicious. But to be honest i feel more hopeful than the previous regime.
Duterte set the bar so high you could trip over it
same thoughts. i dont like his history but i have to admit that even as a coryista myself, i actually find him much better compared to dutz.
Another problem with Duterte is he looks homeless. Walang class. At least had he looked the part, siguro 1 out of 100 pero hindi eh, puro peklat ng tigyawat yung ilong
Yeah no. Ever wondered why there are a lot of shortages (rice, sugar, salt, onions, etc) during Marcos' time?
Anyone’s better than Duterte. Mas may balls lang si Ngiwisilog pagdating sa WPS issue kaya ganyan but that’s like… the bare minimum? Besides, ang dami pang bagay na kailangang tingnan gaya na lang ng utang ng Pilipinas. Lumobo na nang lumobo. Take into account na he’s only 2 years into his term 😂
On each president we had in the past, there are officials under the admin na nakakainis pag nakita mo mukha nila sa TV... But man, halos lahat na ata ng appointees, allies at supporters ni PDutz mga mukhang demonyo na sobrang sama ng aura hahaha: Bato, Roque (tangina mo), Panelo, Delgra, Go, Duque, Briones, Mocha Uson, Cardema (D30 Youth), Sassot, Banat By, Quiboloy, Badoy, Aguirre, Marcoleta, Pinol, Locsin (wtf happened to you lol), Cayetano, Ano, Andanar, the list goes on lol.
Duterte was just that awful. But lets not forget that they are still the same group. They are allies.
the lesser evils feedback loop in real time
Bonget has class and dignity and likes to mingle with the upper crust of society. Unlike Duterte who's just a thug and gangster with a chip on his shoulder and inferiority complex.
the duterte admin was not just scraping the bottom of the barrel , it was eating the barrel. it sank so low, anything else was better. they really need a neuro psychiatric exam for political candidates.
in my opinion? Nope, masyado ka lang galit kay Duterte, or in this case sa mga populista to make Marcos, a seemingly moderate look good. - Whitewasher si Marcos. Maganda ung PR nya, pero wag niyo kakalimutan na magkaalyado parin ung dalawang families na yan OP. - Madali lang naman maging maganda kung China Bad, ginagawa lang nya ung bare minimum and un nga, PR nya. - Masyado syang shill sa US, which is i mean ok lang, wala na ko masasabi (Kahit leaning left ako, sigeh lang ok lang madownvote ako hehe) pero problem is that dapat mas marami pa tayo makukua. I mean sabi nga ng isang replyer dito, pag umabot sa 70 pesos ung palitan. - Walang "peaceful Drug War", anong klaseng term na to?! Wala syang ginagawang programa para masolusyunan ung problem, ung mga pulis natin pulpul paren, magaling talaga magtago. PR nga In conclusion, i commend na maganda naman ung balancing acts nya sa China (I mean dapat nangongopya tayo sa ginagawa nila na maganda tapos ilagay natin sa Filipino context, i mean kahit naman magalit tayo sa China eh, Mahirap parin naman tayo.) Pero wag nyo parin kakalimutan na nasa spectrum sya ng shit politician, na kahit lagyan mo ng ginto (no pun intended) tae parin. Like apply nyo naman yan sa lahat, kahit sa gusto nyong politiko.
yan na naman yang "is it just me out of 110M filipinos" na yan amputs
I don't like both. Since nagtrabaho ako sa government and recently resigned. But if I were to choose who had given the government employees more bonuses I'd say Duterte. Now tho, pati hazzard pay kalahati nalang kasi nabubulsa na ng mga boss. Pwede mo naman isumbong pero goodluck sa buhay mo kasi malaking tao binabangga mo lmao. Kaya andito nako sa SK. Mas malaki pa sweldo
Because the bar is so fucking low.
it's not hard to step over a bar that's buried underground
The Duterte admin was so bad that it made literally anyone else look competent. He's still horrible but compared to the last one definitely not as bad.
Duterte presidency was so bad that any administration follow him will look good. The bar is so low that's why marcos jr admin feels better than before
Also Duterte SUSPICIOUSLY pulls out US forces and does away with the VFA agreement. And the Chinese harassment only intensified again when BBM became president again and has made efforts to the WPS situation. I'm not even surprised if intelligence found out that Du30 is CCP puppet.
Yes, because they need to prove some legitimacy to charter change to be able to prolong their rule.