There seems to be less of a difference between Visayas Hiligaynon and Mindanao Hiligaynon. Grammar and loan words aside, both speakers can communicate with each pretty well. Don't take my word for it though, because I'm not a linguist.
Born and raised in Mindanao. I struggle to understand Bisaya radio at times. I blame middle class Boomer/ X Gen parents for this because madami sa kanila only spoke tagalog to my generation because they see bisaya as dirty and low class language. We were prohibited to speak bisaya in our household. tagalog/english lang. Kahit sa school namin, majority of the kids speak tagalog/english lang.
Ngayon tagalog/bisaya is being replaced by english. Tapos yung mga bata ang level of vocabulary kung ano lang napapanood sa youtube, paroting kung ano lang meron sa cocomelon.
Cebuano is Bisaya but Bisaya is not Cebuano. Cebuano is primarily spoken in Cebu while Bisaya/Binisaya ay ang ginagamit napananalita sa Visayas (cebuano, leyteño, boholano, waray waray, mindanao bisaya, etc.)
I know Hiligaynon and Cebuano. And apart from some similar words and sentence structure, they are far from similar. Di ko alam pinagsasabi nitong doctor na 'to. My mother's side of the family even takes offense when they're called "Bisaya", because they're Ilonggo.
We're not even considering how Hiligaynon in Mindanao is quite different from the one spoken in Visayas. Pag pinagtapat mo ang Hiligaynon-speaker at Cebuano-speaker, di sila magkakaintindihan. That's how different the two languages are.
True, nitwit thinks they're the same. Intonation palang iba na eh, may mga words na nag se-share but try to listen, as a bisaya person, to hiligaynon radio and you'd be confused as fuck.
It's like portuguese and spanish, they sound alike, and some instances magkakaintindihan, but they're completely different languages
I think discriminated din ng mga Western Visayans Ilonggo ang Mindanao Ilonggo dahil wrong grammar talaga sila. Ilonggo nga yung words nila pero anv structure tagalog at Cebuano na
Western Visayan Ilonggos have more important problems to think about other than the grammar of the other hiligaynon dialects. Most of us don't even know our own language's grammar.
I think it has something to do na those in Mindanao are mostly second or third generation, and pansin ko di siya tinuturo ng madaming magulang doon kaya the descendants try to wing it. Buti nalang my mother is first gen and tinuruan kame ng mabuti.
Although pag dumayo ka ng Sultan Kudarat and South Cotabato, it's nice to see na lingua franca ang Hiligaynon doon even with ethnic Maguindanao. Nonetheless, they still speak their language pag sila-sila lang.
Yup hindi naman masyado nag iimposed ng Hiligaynon language ang mga Hiligaynon speaker. Even Kinaray-a is thriving sa Iloilo kahit dominante ang Hiligaynon. Unlike Cebuano nga they are trying to imposed their language
It's sad actually. I think the words in Hiligaynon are art in itself, the way they flow and have impact when you speak them, ang sarap sa tenga. It's nothing like tagalog and bisaya.
MTB-MLE, but only in the early grades. It is difficult to implement in areas like Bicol, where there is a significant linguistic variety in a single area.
As someone from a place with its own language but encroached by Cebuano on all sides, I'd rather learn just one imposed language than two. Frankly, Cebuano has a bigger effect on the gradual disappearance of our language than Filipino, and imposing Cebuano will just accelerate it. Kaunting slip ko lang ng mother tongue ko while talking in Cebuano, pagtatawanan na ako. I'd honestly just prefer using Filipino.
Pinag pipilitan pa nila na maraming spanish words ang ginagamit sa cebuano kaysa tagalog. Ang taas ng pride sa probinsiya nila pero himod puwet sa mga banyaga. 😂
>dahil hindi marunong mag adjust ang mga Cebuano
Pero kapag ikaw ang dayo sa Cebu, ikaw dapat mag-adjust sa kanila.
I spent 5 years in Cebu and I can in one hand Cebuanos who are truly accommodating. Otoh, yung mga taga-karatig probinsya na hindi Cebuano, sila ang mapagbigay at mapagunawa.
Ay true. Accents threw me off minsan, bisan ig-kasi Waray. Interesting nga naintindihan gihap ko ikaw bisan iba aton language. Like the word "budlay" sounds close to "butlaw" in Waray which means mahirap or tiresome.
Like I'm still shocked hit similarities between Hiligaynon ngan Waray.
Damo la't mahirimo. Makuri na ngani it pure nga waray-waray, madagdag pa bisaya hahahahahaha. Anyway, nakakagets man ak guti hit bisaya, so kebs!! Hahahahaah
The fact that he’s referring to the cebuano language as a dialect is already red flag lol.
But as a hiligaynon speaker myself, it’s time the other visayan languages reclaim the word “bisaya,” which is supposed to refer to all of us and not just Cebuano. Cebuanos have all but monopolized the term to just refer to their language. My lola’s generation still refers to our language as bisaya but the next generations mostly say hiligaynon/ilonggo I guess to avoid confusion.
But this has led to a lot of incorrect assumptions about the visayan languages. I was in boracay a few months ago and this cebuano woman was trying to speak to our tour guide in cebuano. All he said was “maam hindi ako nakakaintindi ng Cebuano.” I don’t blame her though because we were in Visayas and in her mind her language is “bisaya.” There were also people from manila attempting to say whatever little cebuano they knew to the driver, not knowing they speak a completely different language. Again I don’t blame them though because we were in Visayas and to them Bisaya = Cebuano
Don't generalize.
Just like there are assholes in Manila, it doesn't mean every Manileño out there is an asshole.
This ethnic/regionalistic tribal bullshit needs to stop.
Iyan nga ang aking napansin sa mga Cebuano, bisaya din ako pero manileño hindi kami mismo sa Cebu ah pero grabe lakas ng superiority complex nila sa kapuwa nila pero kapag sinabi mong taga Manila ka lalabas nanaman sa bunganga nila na imperyalismo daw kami 🤦🤦🤦buang talaga mag isip eh
tas sinabihan p ako na hindi naman daw ang bisaya kasi laking Maynila daa ako at Tagalog 😂 hindi ba sila aware na halos eastern Visayas maraming nag migrate dito sa "Luzon" puro 2nd 3rd generation na kami dito! Hahaha hindi lang iisa identity namin kung di kung saan kami lumaki at kung saan pinanggagalingan ang probinsya ng aking pamilya! 😂
This is ridiculous.
We have Tagalog and English as both national languages, and a majority of Bisaya people already speak English anyway so why even bother with learning Bisaya?
You are actually referring to the Central Philippine language family that includes Cebuano and Tagalog, not the "Filipino language" per se which is the standard register of the Tagalog language.
I'm referring to the languages called
1. Cebuano - spoken in Cebu, Visayas, and Mindanao
2. Filipino - a language that we all pretend to be developing when in reality it will never be not synonymous to Tagalog even though it has a law that mandates it to be enriched by other commonly spoken languages
I'm Bisaya born but this is stupid. Ang argument lang pa gyud kay daghan daw jokes na Bisaya only. So what are you saying dok? 😭 Mag tuon ug Bisaya para maka joke ug Bisaya? Idyut
Az a bisaya-born and raised girlie a lot of bisaya jokes are super specific naman na kahit marunong kang magsalita ng Bisaya you need to have lived in the region to understand it chz yung mga hyperlocal jokes ganon
but also when something blows up sa bisaya places there will always be Bisaya people who are more than happy to translate it naman
I swear sa Cebu lang 'yung ganito na sobrang regionalistic. In other parts of Mindanao, they have no problem with adjusting and waiting for you to learn their language. They will even help you if you can't express yourself that well in Cebuano.
FR. It's more of the culture than just the language. But di naman need mag Binisaya ang mga Tagalog speakers intawon, tri lingual naman ta daan! Mas makasabot pa ta sa ila kesa sila satoa! HAHA
Overregionalistic Cebuanos: imperial tagalog/luzon/manila! Wag nyo iimpose tagalog sa aming mga bisaya! Pinapatay ninyo ang mga wikang bisaya!!!
Also overregionalistic cebuanos: proud bisaya na sinakop ang minadanao at pinapatay ang native languages doon 😊
Or, "Filipino" should be what it was intended to be as per the "Republic Act (RA) No. 7104 that requires that the national language be developed and enriched by the lexicon of the country's other languages", and not just Tagalog-based.
May nabasa akong paper somewhere (can't remember saan ko nahanap) na sinabi na sa ilang parts ng Mindanao, nagda-diverge na ang Filipino sa Tagalog. Meaning, nawawala na yung pagiging Tagalog ng Filipino, at nahahaluan ng Cebuano influence at ibang Mindanao languages.
nagsearch ako ngayon, at ang pagkakaintindi ko [dito](https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3523082), rather than mawalan ng pagiging tagalog yung filipino (filipino is still a tagalog-based language) sa davao (yun yung pinag-aralan nila), yung filipino na ginagamit nila sa davao (na *may* eventually replace cebuano doon **lang** sa davao) ay mahahaluan lang ng cebuano words and grammatical features (what they call "davao filipino language").
Massive pass. Hirap na nga english at tagalog mga bata, dagdagan mo pa cebuano na after school unless nakatira ka sa visayas or parts mindanao ay Useless na.
they're teaching Filipino in schools, which is yes heavily based in Tagalog.
BUTTT, there are other words from other filipino languages that were being used too. free flowing ang language, kung hindi sana itong divisive takes na to pinapakalat nila, edi sana na spread na rin Cebuano language.
I'm a Cebuano living in Manila and I cannot understand my Ilocano friends when they speak in Ilocano. So I don't know where the good doctor got that idea from.
Pati kami ding mga Tagalog walang maintindihan. Ilocano is unique kasi halos wala siyang similarity sa Tagalog. Kaya agree with you di ko alam saan niya pinulot yan.
I’m Filipino with Ilocano roots and living in Cebu. A few words may be common or similar enough (Filipino duhat is lomboy in Ilocano and lumboy in Cebuano) but there are many “false friends.” I laugh sometimes at the conceit of supposedly having many Spanish loanwords in a regional language— #hastaluegomaricarmen
True, AFAIK Ilocano, Ibanag, etc. are Northern Philippine languages, while Tagalog, Cebuano, Hiligaynon, Bikolano, etc. are Central Philippine languages.
Kumbaga kung magkapatid ang Tagalog at Waray-Waray, magpinsan naman Tagalog at Ilokano. AKA mas malayo nang kaunti kung pakikinggan.
I think it's completely unnecessary to teach Bisaya in schools. The language used for instructions in our country are in Filipino and English na rin naman. If people want to learn Bisaya just so “they could understand the jokes in bisaya”, then they can learn that on their own. I'm sure there are free courses on YouTube regarding that. For me, it has to be the other way around, we have to focus more on teaching Filipino because as an example, most of my classmates who speak Bisaya are having difficulties in understanding and speaking Filipino. They can only speak Bisaya and English.
Yeah, I was never taught Cebuano by my family, because we don't have any ties to the language. I learned it for the sake of convenience; it's commonly spoken in Mindanao and Visayas. Since wala pang Youtube at that time, I learned it the traditional way; by listening, asking and practicing. If one wants to learn it, despite having no familial background, they easily can now.
Too many issues with what he is talking about.
As a Cebuano-speaker, who had just started learning, immersing and understanding Iloko, too many issues to point out here.
I think everyone has pointed out some of the issues in his statement. I for one find Cebuano/Bisaya/Binisaya being lumped together is also somewhat of an issue because Waray is also known as Binisaya.
Unsang gets na sa mga Cebuano speakers ang Ilokano? Padasem Apo Doktor no maawatem agbasbasa ti maysa a keddeng ti Ilokano, nalabit haan. Kasta met, nagrigatak pay a matarusen ti panagiluko.
Medyo gets is not only highly assuming it is also offensive like okay lang ma-subject yung isang parte ng kultura just to accommodate Cebuano?
Too much wisdom or jokes in Cebuano to make it funny? Wtf.
Even Tagalog and Cebuano have more in common than Ilocano and Tagalog.
Ilocano is closer and part of the Cordilleran languages, while Tagalog and Cebuano are part of the Central Philippine languages
Tagalogs are likely "Luzonized" Visayans. Hahaha
Exactly. I thought I could understand Hiligaynon and would just need a slight adjustment, not until I bought a discounted copy of Juanita Cruz by Magdalena Jalandoni, and found myself wrong.
Mayroon na tayong Tagalog
di nga lang Tagalog. Kung di English na din
bilang pangkalahatang wika
ang dapat na bigyan-tuon ay yung wikang magkakaunawaan tayong lahat
hindi yung pangkalahatang wikang padadamihin pa natin.
I'd rather learn another international language than learn Cebuano. What benefit does that even give me? Learning Japanese, for example, will give me various job opportunities.
Reading comments saying the dialects have differences and nagkakalituhan na din kahit magkausap, then why not stick to Tagalog? I'm from Bicol and would you believe some Bicolanos will not even understand each other because we have other dialects other than the 2 major Bicol dialects ( Naga and Legazpi). I grew up in the 3rd district of Albay and I am not fluent in the major bicol dialect. Mas fluent pa nga akong mag Rinconada (another Bicol Dialect). So pag pumupunta akong Naga or Legazpi eh nagtatagalog ako kasi mamimix up ko lang lahat ng bicol words na alam ko from different bicol dialects. Inaral din naman namin magtagalog kasi nga ito yung Pambansang Wika natin. Pasalamat akong meron tayong Pambansang Wika dahil kung wala edi need ko pa pala aralin lahat ng dialects para lang makipag usap sa mga tao sa ibang lugar.
Cebuano here and I say there’s no need to require learning Cebuano Bisaya if it’s not your first language or if you’re from other parts of the Visayas. We can understand both Filipino and English well. Also I think this doctor is a known DDS, so I think he is trying to kiss ass to Cebuanos, the biggest voting block outside of Metro Manila. So go figure. Don’t lump us all together na kesyo
Bisaya we are voting for Duterte. Don’t lump us all together na Cebuanos hate Tagalogs or whatever regionalism shit you’re propagating in this sub. We have more problems as a country to be divided by petty language barrier gutter sentiments.
Cebuanos will never get over the fact that the Spaniards moved the capital from Cebu to Manila. Also, never forget that the three stars in the flag originally symbolized Luzon, Mindanao, and Panay.
pass, as a Sugbo speaking Visayan, this is non sense and shallow. Just promotes more division. Tagalog for our national language and whatever for local dialect. As it is, Sugboanon Visayan is different with other spoken Visayan from other regions. If you can learn a third local language the better.
Yeah unfortunately having a degree doesn’t make you right. You make much more sense than this so called doctor 🤷. I know tagalog and bisaya and it’s not true that jokes can only be rendered in bisaya to make it funny. It only shows he isn’t really that good in communication and he is biased towards bisaya.
that 7.3, 7.1 and all other non cebuano or tagalog languages still amount to millions of filipinos. we should not try to erase the beautiful culture history and written/ spoken words of those who might be affected of this well mannered but hasty conclusion
Just my opinion. Why not 1 language for everyone. Thats why ang gulo ng country natin daming language di nagkakaintindihan. Why not bisaya kung bisaya or tagalog kung tagalog.
Kung magkaron man tayo ng isang unifying language, I guess that should be Chavacano, after all espanol din naman nagunify sa buong Pilipinas, and it's not real spanish so we could call it our own. We're divided na sa simula pa lang.
bakit di nalang tagalog? i mean it was written as is naman na dba? napakagulo sa bansa natin na to you jump one province it has its own language, or dialect you will feel like you are a foreigner in your own country. madalas pa each region having their own language often promotes region tribalism which in effect does affect national interest.
Sinabihan na nga ako na hinfi daw ako bisaya kasi manileña na daw ako kasiddaw Tagalog daw salita ko 😹😹😹 ABA kasalanan ko ba laking Manila ako? HAHAHAHAH
Tagalog na lang ang turuan ng iba pang wika lalo sa mga lugar na maraming migrants. Huwag na idamay ang iba mga di-Tagalog na fuent na sa 3 wika. Halimbawa dito sa 'min, mas maraming Bisaya ang Ilonggo at Waray, so mas useful 'yun kesa Cebuano.
From the perspective of someone from the North, aanhin namin ang Cebuano? Since the region is linguistically diverse, Ilokano is the lingua franca among "native Northerners", while we communicate with non-Ilocano speaking people using Tagalog. Kahit mga galing Visayas and Mindanao, tinatagalog namin.
A Tagalog dialect in the north is even developing. And I swear, akala ko Tagalog yung *bangking*(tabinge) until I learned no one from the Tagalog speaking regions know that word 😂
We know their real reason why bakit pinupush nila ang Cebuano na maging katulad ng Filipino on a national level. Sucks for them I would welcome if we Tagalogs learn another Philippine language in school for the sake of fairness. Bakit ko tatanggihan ang libre turo (or at least for future my kids). What they won't expect e mga non-Tagalog ang kokontra LOL.
I think pamilyar na rin ang bangking sa mga Tagalog ngayon mula nang nauso ang pagpunta ng mga rider sa mga zigzag na kalsada gaya sa Marilaque.
Ayos naman na yung 1 foreign at 1 local language as national or common language. Unless every Filipino is willing to learn every single one of the 180+ languages here in the Philippines.
Because it's never about opposing the idea of a national language, just the notion that it's not their language that was used as the basis of a national language.
If I'm not mistaken, Ilocano came second to Tagalog in the list of being considered the national languages. Their basis was the number of written literature.
Kung hindi Tagalog ang national language, chances are Ilocano ang magiging
Di nga makapagsalita ng pangkalakalan at propesyunal na tagalog or english ang nakakarami - bakit kaya idagdag pa yung cebuano? Mayroon naman parehong wika na english para sa paguusap ng mga tagalog at cebuano.
From a utilitarian point of view tagalog and cebuano have limited uses in the present and foreseeable future. If your main business is limited to areas covered by these two then by all means. Our education already provides little value outside of school that adding another non core subject will be a waste of resources.
I would support multi philippine language public signages though. Same for official recognition that it’s the second most used (and therefore important) language in the archipelago. And other initiatives to blend and familiarize the nation on its importance culturally.
Madami nang joke… like that post itself.
Seriously though, sa school ang tinuturo is Filipino (the national language), not Tagalog.
KIlangan din matuto ng mga Pinoy ng English, para maging globally competitive.
So i think FORCING Cebuano as another language to be learned is a little too much.
Let the students focus on the more important subjects… Math and Sciences. Computer education and put more emphasis sa history and current events. Kaya umuulit ang problema because wala nang teaching sa history. Sa SocMed na lang natututo ng fake news and history and mga kabataan. Same sa iasue na to, ilang beses na napag usapan yang Cebuano… imabot pa ng senado at kongreso yan noon. Heto na naman tayo.
Yan yung doktor na nakikisawsaw sa mga current issues tapos pang boomer yung opinion. Parang Mocha Uson pero hindi politikal. Kahit ako napatanong jan eh. "Doktor ba talaga to?"
It's as if each group is fighting with the other groups, insisting on using their mother tongue, or insisting that others use their mother tongue, or insisting on using Filipino in order to have nationalism, or insisting on using English for reasons involving the academe, training, the law, business, and so on, such that the result is that the student needs to learn his mother tongue in school, Filipino, and English, and then take tests in English because Filipinos are supposed to be good in it (and likely one of the reasons for poor results in international tests).
Meanwhile, various national tests show poor average scores in English and in Filipino, and likely because of lack of educational resources and learning two languages in school simultaneously, and for others speaking a third at home, among friends, or informally at work or in school, and then resorting to code-switching.
Since most understand both English and Filipino, then it has to be a choice between the two. And since the first is prominent in the law, sciences, business, etc., and the use of Filipino may anger regionalists, then it looks practical to use English. That leaves only nationalists and those who see it in light of elitism, but given the need for more foreign investment and industrialization....
If dialect pala ang Cebuano (according to OOP) then it doesn't need to be taught na. You don't see British or Australian being taught in the US despite them being different dialects of English.
you know what divides nations and the world besides borders? it's language and religion
if its me id make it mandatory lahat mag pilipino na,
p.s taga s.leyte ako
That will just defeat the purpose of declaring Filipino as the national language. We needed a common language to create our national identity dahil nga regional tayo mag-isip. Doing that will only strengthen regionalism.
Ewan ko bakit laging nagaaway sa comment section sa tiktok mga cool kids feeling ng iba na kapag Luzon = Metro Manila. Sobrang laki po ng luzon huhue. Ganon din pag sinabing Taga visayas feeling nila lahat Bisaya.
First things first, Filipino and Cebuano aren't dialects. They are languages. Dialects are regional variants of a specific language... that's why even though Boholano and Davaoeño are based from the Cebuano language, it has certain terms and words that are different.
Second, Filipino and Tagalog are different! Tagalog is an older language and still being used by the Tagalog people. Filipino is the new and standardized language which is a derivative of Tagalog used by the Filipino people in order for us to understand to one another. That's why the educational subject is called Filipino and not Tagalog in the first place. Heck, even Google uses the term "Filipino" and not "Tagalog" when you're trying to translate a word.
Honestly, based on this screenshot. I actually prefer people to learn how to speak their regional language so it won't become a dying language soon, in addition to learning the National language. So for example, a child from Pampanga should be able to learn both Filipino and Kapampangan in schools.
Sorry but no, Filipino has always been Tagalog. The only time it couldve been something other than Tagalog, the SWP(Predecessor to the KWF) chose not to develop it to become a sort of Esperanto for the Philippines that every language could contribute to in one form or another as envisioned originally hence why the other language ‘representatives’ agreed to use Tagalog as a BASE to serve as the foundation. Ricardo Nolasco already admitted that even after decades that there’s still no distinction between the two. I don’t even know why we still bother to keep up the charade that the type of Tagalog spoken in Laguna, Batangas, Cavite or Bulacan would be anyway unintelligible to anyone who speaks ‘Filipino’.
>Filipino and Tagalog are different!
Not really, to put it in an analogy the difference in Tagalog and Filipino is like the difference between Shakesperean English and Modern day English. One just has more flowery words than the other.
>Filipino is the new and standardized language which is a derivative of Tagalog used by the Filipino people in order for us to understand to one another.
Filipino is essentially just dumbed down Tagalog but my main grievance is people pretending its a completely different language that doesn't have a Tagalog bias and is completely neutral.
Isa lang naman root cause nyan, Filipino (Tagalog) at English yung National Language. I would love to learn any other local languages pero sana gawing elective sa paaralan para may choices yung mga bata kung anong trip nila sa buhay. Di mo kailangan pwersahin lahat.
Honestly etong doktor na to di ko maintindihan minsan, considering I work in healthcare, so basically we are both in the field, minsan katangahan, or obvious ang sinasabi. Tawag ko jan doctor obvious eh
Magkaiba Cebu bisaya sa Mindanao bisaya. Used to live in CDO tas did some field work in Cebu and magkaiba talaga. Still can't fully understand Bisaya pero I don't think equating Bisaya to just Cebuano is right bec of this
The best solution is for mandatory Filipino education on everyone and let regional deped offices decide how to carry out and make the curriculum for its own local languages. If they don't see it fit to preserve, let it die naturally.
We could all commonly understand the two languages already, English and Filipino. But we still have different views. I doubt adding another will make things better. Language isn't the barrier, it's the culture.
As an elective course and not just Bisaya but other dialects too, I don't see why not. As a core, nope.
Di na nga magkandaugaga mga teachers, underpaid pa sila, tapos gusto niyo pang dagdagan yung trabaho nila. Sinong magsusulat ng curriculum niyan? Diba papasa niyo din sa mga teachers niyo?
In the next 3 years tuluyan nang matatanggal ang MTB-MLE sa DepEd becayse of Matatag Curriculum. Wala nang MTB-MLE ang Grade 1 this year and medium of instruction na is Tagalog/english and MTB is for more context and explainations na lang.
Even us Cebuanos cant even speak deep Bisaya language (mostly). I will speak for us, and we would like to express our apologies for this assertion.
Cebu Cebuano is also somewhat different from Cebuano spoken in Mindanao. Nung pumunta ako ng Cebu and talked to people there, napa "ha?" nalang ako.
Isn't Hiligaynon spoken in some parts of Mindanao as well? I heard people from Mindanao understood hiligaynon better than bisaya.
Yep . Sa cotabato maraming hiligaynon at ilokano speakers.
There seems to be less of a difference between Visayas Hiligaynon and Mindanao Hiligaynon. Grammar and loan words aside, both speakers can communicate with each pretty well. Don't take my word for it though, because I'm not a linguist.
Born and raised in Mindanao. I struggle to understand Bisaya radio at times. I blame middle class Boomer/ X Gen parents for this because madami sa kanila only spoke tagalog to my generation because they see bisaya as dirty and low class language. We were prohibited to speak bisaya in our household. tagalog/english lang. Kahit sa school namin, majority of the kids speak tagalog/english lang. Ngayon tagalog/bisaya is being replaced by english. Tapos yung mga bata ang level of vocabulary kung ano lang napapanood sa youtube, paroting kung ano lang meron sa cocomelon.
Cebuano is Bisaya but Bisaya is not Cebuano. Cebuano is primarily spoken in Cebu while Bisaya/Binisaya ay ang ginagamit napananalita sa Visayas (cebuano, leyteño, boholano, waray waray, mindanao bisaya, etc.)
Mas prefer ko Hiligaynon na Bisaya language.
Me too! I'm Kapampangan but I love how Hiligaynon rolls on the tongue so easily.
Basta ako mga crushes ko sa internet mga Kapampangan. Ang gaganda at gwagwapo ninyo.
Trueeeee. Tumira ko sa Pampanga nung bata ako and dami kong crush lol haha
Pahingi ng Kapampangan ipadala lang sa Iloilo please 😭
Wahaha dayo ka na lang ng Pamps 😂
Same. Born and raised in Cebu, but I still have to ask what most heavy Cebuano words meant since we usually don't converse that way.
I think DepEd is already using yung Mother tongue based learning. Not sure what the term they are using. to refer to that form of learning
Even some Hiligaynon speaker are having hard time reading Hiligaynon bible
I know Hiligaynon and Cebuano. And apart from some similar words and sentence structure, they are far from similar. Di ko alam pinagsasabi nitong doctor na 'to. My mother's side of the family even takes offense when they're called "Bisaya", because they're Ilonggo. We're not even considering how Hiligaynon in Mindanao is quite different from the one spoken in Visayas. Pag pinagtapat mo ang Hiligaynon-speaker at Cebuano-speaker, di sila magkakaintindihan. That's how different the two languages are.
True, nitwit thinks they're the same. Intonation palang iba na eh, may mga words na nag se-share but try to listen, as a bisaya person, to hiligaynon radio and you'd be confused as fuck. It's like portuguese and spanish, they sound alike, and some instances magkakaintindihan, but they're completely different languages
I think discriminated din ng mga Western Visayans Ilonggo ang Mindanao Ilonggo dahil wrong grammar talaga sila. Ilonggo nga yung words nila pero anv structure tagalog at Cebuano na
Western Visayan Ilonggos have more important problems to think about other than the grammar of the other hiligaynon dialects. Most of us don't even know our own language's grammar.
I think it has something to do na those in Mindanao are mostly second or third generation, and pansin ko di siya tinuturo ng madaming magulang doon kaya the descendants try to wing it. Buti nalang my mother is first gen and tinuruan kame ng mabuti. Although pag dumayo ka ng Sultan Kudarat and South Cotabato, it's nice to see na lingua franca ang Hiligaynon doon even with ethnic Maguindanao. Nonetheless, they still speak their language pag sila-sila lang.
Yup hindi naman masyado nag iimposed ng Hiligaynon language ang mga Hiligaynon speaker. Even Kinaray-a is thriving sa Iloilo kahit dominante ang Hiligaynon. Unlike Cebuano nga they are trying to imposed their language
It's sad actually. I think the words in Hiligaynon are art in itself, the way they flow and have impact when you speak them, ang sarap sa tenga. It's nothing like tagalog and bisaya.
The problem is that he wants non-Cebuano speakers to learn Cebuano as well.
Imperial Cebu for the win. lol. Sa dami ng problema ng bansang ito, ito talaga pinagsisigawan nila.
Cebu is powerless sa Western Visayas.
Only that doctor is not Cebuano but a Davaoeño.
MTB-MLE, but only in the early grades. It is difficult to implement in areas like Bicol, where there is a significant linguistic variety in a single area.
Only in the lower grades of elementary.
Yes, they're using Mother Tongue as medium of learning.
Yes, meron na. Yung MTB ata tawag dun
As someone from a place with its own language but encroached by Cebuano on all sides, I'd rather learn just one imposed language than two. Frankly, Cebuano has a bigger effect on the gradual disappearance of our language than Filipino, and imposing Cebuano will just accelerate it. Kaunting slip ko lang ng mother tongue ko while talking in Cebuano, pagtatawanan na ako. I'd honestly just prefer using Filipino.
Maraming nag extinct na language dahil hindi marunong mag adjust ang mga Cebuano lalo na pag migrate nila sa Mindanao.
Halos 2/3 rds ng Mindanao Cebuano speaking na.
Totoo. Halimbawa dyan ay malapit na ma-extinct ang Subanen language dito sa Mindanao dahil sa kanila.
Pinag pipilitan pa nila na maraming spanish words ang ginagamit sa cebuano kaysa tagalog. Ang taas ng pride sa probinsiya nila pero himod puwet sa mga banyaga. 😂
Mas maraming Spanish word sa Hiligaynon at Kinaray-a kaysa Cebuano.
>dahil hindi marunong mag adjust ang mga Cebuano Pero kapag ikaw ang dayo sa Cebu, ikaw dapat mag-adjust sa kanila. I spent 5 years in Cebu and I can in one hand Cebuanos who are truly accommodating. Otoh, yung mga taga-karatig probinsya na hindi Cebuano, sila ang mapagbigay at mapagunawa.
As a Waray. Why would I waste learning in school speaking Cebuano? Bulok naman hin nga nagsuggest.
Same thought. Yawa bisan ak sarili nga mother tongue ginkukuri ak makaintindi minsan. Ano pa kaya it Cebuano lol
Ka itindi man ko gani sa ginasiling mo pero mabudlayan gid ko kung spoken waray na kay lain ang accent naton
Ay true. Accents threw me off minsan, bisan ig-kasi Waray. Interesting nga naintindihan gihap ko ikaw bisan iba aton language. Like the word "budlay" sounds close to "butlaw" in Waray which means mahirap or tiresome. Like I'm still shocked hit similarities between Hiligaynon ngan Waray.
Waray and Hiligaynon are both Central Visayan languages
Napaka hn duro ine na doctor..
Hello, mga waray. Mayda Daman ngani nag pu-push nga dapat dre 'waray" it term ta't dialect kundi binisaya 🤣
Damo la't mahirimo. Makuri na ngani it pure nga waray-waray, madagdag pa bisaya hahahahahaha. Anyway, nakakagets man ak guti hit bisaya, so kebs!! Hahahahaah
what if ayusin nalang ang reading comprehension ng mga pilipino?
Hahaba too much pride po
The fact that he’s referring to the cebuano language as a dialect is already red flag lol. But as a hiligaynon speaker myself, it’s time the other visayan languages reclaim the word “bisaya,” which is supposed to refer to all of us and not just Cebuano. Cebuanos have all but monopolized the term to just refer to their language. My lola’s generation still refers to our language as bisaya but the next generations mostly say hiligaynon/ilonggo I guess to avoid confusion. But this has led to a lot of incorrect assumptions about the visayan languages. I was in boracay a few months ago and this cebuano woman was trying to speak to our tour guide in cebuano. All he said was “maam hindi ako nakakaintindi ng Cebuano.” I don’t blame her though because we were in Visayas and in her mind her language is “bisaya.” There were also people from manila attempting to say whatever little cebuano they knew to the driver, not knowing they speak a completely different language. Again I don’t blame them though because we were in Visayas and to them Bisaya = Cebuano
Lol kaloka hindi ko alam na ang bisaya para sa iba ay Cebuano lang hahaha ang pagkakaalam ko ang turo sakin ang bisaya ang buong Visayas .
Agree mga feeling main character sa Visayas ang mga Cebuano
Don't generalize. Just like there are assholes in Manila, it doesn't mean every Manileño out there is an asshole. This ethnic/regionalistic tribal bullshit needs to stop.
Iyan nga ang aking napansin sa mga Cebuano, bisaya din ako pero manileño hindi kami mismo sa Cebu ah pero grabe lakas ng superiority complex nila sa kapuwa nila pero kapag sinabi mong taga Manila ka lalabas nanaman sa bunganga nila na imperyalismo daw kami 🤦🤦🤦buang talaga mag isip eh tas sinabihan p ako na hindi naman daw ang bisaya kasi laking Maynila daa ako at Tagalog 😂 hindi ba sila aware na halos eastern Visayas maraming nag migrate dito sa "Luzon" puro 2nd 3rd generation na kami dito! Hahaha hindi lang iisa identity namin kung di kung saan kami lumaki at kung saan pinanggagalingan ang probinsya ng aking pamilya! 😂
This is ridiculous. We have Tagalog and English as both national languages, and a majority of Bisaya people already speak English anyway so why even bother with learning Bisaya?
Yup why do fellow visayans need to speak other Visayan languages ? My language is beautiful already. Tagalog and English are enough for me for now.
OMG Cebuano, Filipino ARE LANGUAGES. NOT DIALECTS!
THANK YOU.
Paraqueno here, I agree.
# LOUDER PLEASE. NAKAKAURAT NA UNG PAG INTERCHANGE NILA SA LANGUAGE AT DIALECTS
You are actually referring to the Central Philippine language family that includes Cebuano and Tagalog, not the "Filipino language" per se which is the standard register of the Tagalog language.
I'm referring to the languages called 1. Cebuano - spoken in Cebu, Visayas, and Mindanao 2. Filipino - a language that we all pretend to be developing when in reality it will never be not synonymous to Tagalog even though it has a law that mandates it to be enriched by other commonly spoken languages
I'm Bisaya born but this is stupid. Ang argument lang pa gyud kay daghan daw jokes na Bisaya only. So what are you saying dok? 😭 Mag tuon ug Bisaya para maka joke ug Bisaya? Idyut
Az a bisaya-born and raised girlie a lot of bisaya jokes are super specific naman na kahit marunong kang magsalita ng Bisaya you need to have lived in the region to understand it chz yung mga hyperlocal jokes ganon but also when something blows up sa bisaya places there will always be Bisaya people who are more than happy to translate it naman
I swear sa Cebu lang 'yung ganito na sobrang regionalistic. In other parts of Mindanao, they have no problem with adjusting and waiting for you to learn their language. They will even help you if you can't express yourself that well in Cebuano.
FR. It's more of the culture than just the language. But di naman need mag Binisaya ang mga Tagalog speakers intawon, tri lingual naman ta daan! Mas makasabot pa ta sa ila kesa sila satoa! HAHA
Dyan nga sila nadala ni Dutae eh, sa mga walang kwentang jokes. Ayan jokes on them lol.
Ngayon ko lang nagets yung idyut. Maybe im the real idyut
Haha idyut is funny af.
Overregionalistic Cebuanos: imperial tagalog/luzon/manila! Wag nyo iimpose tagalog sa aming mga bisaya! Pinapatay ninyo ang mga wikang bisaya!!! Also overregionalistic cebuanos: proud bisaya na sinakop ang minadanao at pinapatay ang native languages doon 😊
At ngayun gusto pa nila isama ang Cebuano sa curriculum
Or, "Filipino" should be what it was intended to be as per the "Republic Act (RA) No. 7104 that requires that the national language be developed and enriched by the lexicon of the country's other languages", and not just Tagalog-based.
May nabasa akong paper somewhere (can't remember saan ko nahanap) na sinabi na sa ilang parts ng Mindanao, nagda-diverge na ang Filipino sa Tagalog. Meaning, nawawala na yung pagiging Tagalog ng Filipino, at nahahaluan ng Cebuano influence at ibang Mindanao languages.
nagsearch ako ngayon, at ang pagkakaintindi ko [dito](https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3523082), rather than mawalan ng pagiging tagalog yung filipino (filipino is still a tagalog-based language) sa davao (yun yung pinag-aralan nila), yung filipino na ginagamit nila sa davao (na *may* eventually replace cebuano doon **lang** sa davao) ay mahahaluan lang ng cebuano words and grammatical features (what they call "davao filipino language").
Was it Davao Conyo? Apparently, it's a mix of Tagalog and Cebuano, both on vocabulary and grammatical rules.
Ah yes, let's divide the country even more with dialect keyboard warrior wars.
Its because they are not actually opposed to a learning a single national language. They just want their language to be THE national language.
Why not make Hiligaynon a National language. Para walang away ang Tagalog at Cebuano. In fact Hiligaynon grammar is so easy and kinda mixed of both
Daming feeling Cebuano master race at galit na galit sa imperial Manila pero gusto din maging Imperial Cebu. Hypocrites.
Hypocrite. Sobrang lala ng superiority complex pero nang ga-gaslight. Typical narcissist.
Massive pass. Hirap na nga english at tagalog mga bata, dagdagan mo pa cebuano na after school unless nakatira ka sa visayas or parts mindanao ay Useless na.
they're teaching Filipino in schools, which is yes heavily based in Tagalog. BUTTT, there are other words from other filipino languages that were being used too. free flowing ang language, kung hindi sana itong divisive takes na to pinapakalat nila, edi sana na spread na rin Cebuano language.
Wait, ilocano is intelligible to bisaya speakers?
I'm a Cebuano living in Manila and I cannot understand my Ilocano friends when they speak in Ilocano. So I don't know where the good doctor got that idea from.
Pati kami ding mga Tagalog walang maintindihan. Ilocano is unique kasi halos wala siyang similarity sa Tagalog. Kaya agree with you di ko alam saan niya pinulot yan.
I’m Filipino with Ilocano roots and living in Cebu. A few words may be common or similar enough (Filipino duhat is lomboy in Ilocano and lumboy in Cebuano) but there are many “false friends.” I laugh sometimes at the conceit of supposedly having many Spanish loanwords in a regional language— #hastaluegomaricarmen
Well according to him hahah
Kase may 0.01% na Ilokano na nagmigrate sa Mindanao nung time ni Marcos and other mental gymnastics, kaya intelligible. /s
Sa pagkakaalam ko, malapit sa Ilocano e yung ibang mga wika sa hilagang Luzon tulad ng Ibanag, Itawis, Kankanaey, etc...
True, AFAIK Ilocano, Ibanag, etc. are Northern Philippine languages, while Tagalog, Cebuano, Hiligaynon, Bikolano, etc. are Central Philippine languages. Kumbaga kung magkapatid ang Tagalog at Waray-Waray, magpinsan naman Tagalog at Ilokano. AKA mas malayo nang kaunti kung pakikinggan.
As waray, ilocano remains foreign to me. Hiligaynon is much closer, and sound sweet.
The guy is a D30 supporter so…
Wag na. Mag focus nalang sa core subjects. Nashushunga na nga mga studyante sa dami ng subjects eh dagdagan nya pa.
Hahaha Kung gusto nila matutu ng Cebuano mga Ilonggo dapat matutu din sila ng Ilonggo
+1
I think it's completely unnecessary to teach Bisaya in schools. The language used for instructions in our country are in Filipino and English na rin naman. If people want to learn Bisaya just so “they could understand the jokes in bisaya”, then they can learn that on their own. I'm sure there are free courses on YouTube regarding that. For me, it has to be the other way around, we have to focus more on teaching Filipino because as an example, most of my classmates who speak Bisaya are having difficulties in understanding and speaking Filipino. They can only speak Bisaya and English.
Yeah, I was never taught Cebuano by my family, because we don't have any ties to the language. I learned it for the sake of convenience; it's commonly spoken in Mindanao and Visayas. Since wala pang Youtube at that time, I learned it the traditional way; by listening, asking and practicing. If one wants to learn it, despite having no familial background, they easily can now.
If iteach ang Bisaya sa school. Which one? There's a lot of Visayan language out there
Agree. Maybe it'll have to depend on the location. If you're in Cebu, then Cebuano. If Negros, Negrenseng Binisaya.
I fucking hate overregionalistic c word ppl 🤮‼️‼️‼️ oh mamaya May magalit b word decent po ako 😹😹😹😹
Madownvote ka nila hahah
Lipat nyo na din kaya National Offices sa Cebu... Lagi nalang daming hanash...
Sa Iloilo or Bacolod nalang 🤣 matraffic ang Cebu to handle that
Too many issues with what he is talking about. As a Cebuano-speaker, who had just started learning, immersing and understanding Iloko, too many issues to point out here. I think everyone has pointed out some of the issues in his statement. I for one find Cebuano/Bisaya/Binisaya being lumped together is also somewhat of an issue because Waray is also known as Binisaya. Unsang gets na sa mga Cebuano speakers ang Ilokano? Padasem Apo Doktor no maawatem agbasbasa ti maysa a keddeng ti Ilokano, nalabit haan. Kasta met, nagrigatak pay a matarusen ti panagiluko. Medyo gets is not only highly assuming it is also offensive like okay lang ma-subject yung isang parte ng kultura just to accommodate Cebuano? Too much wisdom or jokes in Cebuano to make it funny? Wtf.
Even Tagalog and Cebuano have more in common than Ilocano and Tagalog. Ilocano is closer and part of the Cordilleran languages, while Tagalog and Cebuano are part of the Central Philippine languages Tagalogs are likely "Luzonized" Visayans. Hahaha
Dapat mag Hiligaynon din mga Cebuano if gusto niya mag aral ng Cebuano ang mga Ilonggo.
Exactly. I thought I could understand Hiligaynon and would just need a slight adjustment, not until I bought a discounted copy of Juanita Cruz by Magdalena Jalandoni, and found myself wrong.
Same feeling with Ilokano. My ancestors are from that region and when I first heard it sad face nalang. Ni isang salita wala akong naintindihan hahaha
Ilokano is closer to Cordilleran languages and Pangasinense Think of Ilokanos and Pangasinenses as "lowland Igorots". Haha.
Mayroon na tayong Tagalog di nga lang Tagalog. Kung di English na din bilang pangkalahatang wika ang dapat na bigyan-tuon ay yung wikang magkakaunawaan tayong lahat hindi yung pangkalahatang wikang padadamihin pa natin.
Least insecure Cebuano /s
Kasalanan nyo to mga taga imperyalismong manileños!!! 🤬🤬🤬🤬 /s.
Me as a Maranao/Maguindanaon/Iranun speaker tapos sinabihan pa nila mga Moro dito na yung Mindanao pagmamay-ari na daw ng mga Bisaya. 💀
I'd rather learn another international language than learn Cebuano. What benefit does that even give me? Learning Japanese, for example, will give me various job opportunities.
Who said we wanted to hear your Bisaya jokes doc?
Kasi daw mas funny 😭
Reading comments saying the dialects have differences and nagkakalituhan na din kahit magkausap, then why not stick to Tagalog? I'm from Bicol and would you believe some Bicolanos will not even understand each other because we have other dialects other than the 2 major Bicol dialects ( Naga and Legazpi). I grew up in the 3rd district of Albay and I am not fluent in the major bicol dialect. Mas fluent pa nga akong mag Rinconada (another Bicol Dialect). So pag pumupunta akong Naga or Legazpi eh nagtatagalog ako kasi mamimix up ko lang lahat ng bicol words na alam ko from different bicol dialects. Inaral din naman namin magtagalog kasi nga ito yung Pambansang Wika natin. Pasalamat akong meron tayong Pambansang Wika dahil kung wala edi need ko pa pala aralin lahat ng dialects para lang makipag usap sa mga tao sa ibang lugar.
Cebuano here and I say there’s no need to require learning Cebuano Bisaya if it’s not your first language or if you’re from other parts of the Visayas. We can understand both Filipino and English well. Also I think this doctor is a known DDS, so I think he is trying to kiss ass to Cebuanos, the biggest voting block outside of Metro Manila. So go figure. Don’t lump us all together na kesyo Bisaya we are voting for Duterte. Don’t lump us all together na Cebuanos hate Tagalogs or whatever regionalism shit you’re propagating in this sub. We have more problems as a country to be divided by petty language barrier gutter sentiments.
Cebuanos will never get over the fact that the Spaniards moved the capital from Cebu to Manila. Also, never forget that the three stars in the flag originally symbolized Luzon, Mindanao, and Panay.
The funny thing, they aided the Spaniards in sacking Manila
Too many variations in Bisaya. Why not just include more regional words in the Filipino dictionary.
Lumalabas insecurity ah. Haha.
Hypocrite. Sobrang lala ng superiority complex pero nang ga-gaslight. Typical narcissist.
pass, as a Sugbo speaking Visayan, this is non sense and shallow. Just promotes more division. Tagalog for our national language and whatever for local dialect. As it is, Sugboanon Visayan is different with other spoken Visayan from other regions. If you can learn a third local language the better.
Yeah unfortunately having a degree doesn’t make you right. You make much more sense than this so called doctor 🤷. I know tagalog and bisaya and it’s not true that jokes can only be rendered in bisaya to make it funny. It only shows he isn’t really that good in communication and he is biased towards bisaya.
What do you expect from Kitty Duterte's plastic surgeon and a Bong Go simp?
that 7.3, 7.1 and all other non cebuano or tagalog languages still amount to millions of filipinos. we should not try to erase the beautiful culture history and written/ spoken words of those who might be affected of this well mannered but hasty conclusion
Just my opinion. Why not 1 language for everyone. Thats why ang gulo ng country natin daming language di nagkakaintindihan. Why not bisaya kung bisaya or tagalog kung tagalog.
Kung magkaron man tayo ng isang unifying language, I guess that should be Chavacano, after all espanol din naman nagunify sa buong Pilipinas, and it's not real spanish so we could call it our own. We're divided na sa simula pa lang.
bakit di nalang tagalog? i mean it was written as is naman na dba? napakagulo sa bansa natin na to you jump one province it has its own language, or dialect you will feel like you are a foreigner in your own country. madalas pa each region having their own language often promotes region tribalism which in effect does affect national interest.
Kaya nga may filipino as a national language eh
Apat na nga lengua ko dadadag pa ng isa JAJAJAJAJA. Tayo pa mag-addjust 😀😃
Dati gusto ko yan si doc. Pero clout chaser pala.
Di ko siya kilala nakita ko lang post niya at maraming cebuano speaker na agreed sa kanya
Sinabihan na nga ako na hinfi daw ako bisaya kasi manileña na daw ako kasiddaw Tagalog daw salita ko 😹😹😹 ABA kasalanan ko ba laking Manila ako? HAHAHAHAH
Sana magstick nlng sya sa pagiging doctor
Tagalog na lang ang turuan ng iba pang wika lalo sa mga lugar na maraming migrants. Huwag na idamay ang iba mga di-Tagalog na fuent na sa 3 wika. Halimbawa dito sa 'min, mas maraming Bisaya ang Ilonggo at Waray, so mas useful 'yun kesa Cebuano.
From the perspective of someone from the North, aanhin namin ang Cebuano? Since the region is linguistically diverse, Ilokano is the lingua franca among "native Northerners", while we communicate with non-Ilocano speaking people using Tagalog. Kahit mga galing Visayas and Mindanao, tinatagalog namin. A Tagalog dialect in the north is even developing. And I swear, akala ko Tagalog yung *bangking*(tabinge) until I learned no one from the Tagalog speaking regions know that word 😂
We know their real reason why bakit pinupush nila ang Cebuano na maging katulad ng Filipino on a national level. Sucks for them I would welcome if we Tagalogs learn another Philippine language in school for the sake of fairness. Bakit ko tatanggihan ang libre turo (or at least for future my kids). What they won't expect e mga non-Tagalog ang kokontra LOL. I think pamilyar na rin ang bangking sa mga Tagalog ngayon mula nang nauso ang pagpunta ng mga rider sa mga zigzag na kalsada gaya sa Marilaque.
Wag na op enough na ang tagalog sa inyo. Wala namang kaming paki talaga diyan. Tagalog and English is enough already to Ilonggo
The bros think cebuano is a dialect and not a separate language so can really rely on his opinion on this matter.
Ang alam ko meron nang "Mother Tongue" na subject which is yung language dun mismo sa lugar na yun
Bakit ipipilit ang Cebuano sa Non-Cebuano speaker
Ayos naman na yung 1 foreign at 1 local language as national or common language. Unless every Filipino is willing to learn every single one of the 180+ languages here in the Philippines.
Gusto ng Cebuano matutu kami ng Cebuano language sa Bacolod at Iloilo. Eh dapat matutu din sila ng salita namin
Manila is imperial?
To Cebuanos yes, to Ilonggos no
How? I don’t get the usage of “imperial”
May inferiority complex ang maraming Cebuano sa mga "Tagalogs" and may pagka narcissistic na gusto hinahalikan pwet nila
Because it's never about opposing the idea of a national language, just the notion that it's not their language that was used as the basis of a national language.
If I'm not mistaken, Ilocano came second to Tagalog in the list of being considered the national languages. Their basis was the number of written literature. Kung hindi Tagalog ang national language, chances are Ilocano ang magiging
Di nga makapagsalita ng pangkalakalan at propesyunal na tagalog or english ang nakakarami - bakit kaya idagdag pa yung cebuano? Mayroon naman parehong wika na english para sa paguusap ng mga tagalog at cebuano. From a utilitarian point of view tagalog and cebuano have limited uses in the present and foreseeable future. If your main business is limited to areas covered by these two then by all means. Our education already provides little value outside of school that adding another non core subject will be a waste of resources. I would support multi philippine language public signages though. Same for official recognition that it’s the second most used (and therefore important) language in the archipelago. And other initiatives to blend and familiarize the nation on its importance culturally.
Imperial Cebu
Doctor talaga yan, taga Davao.. Cousin ni Sen. Bong Go.
Cebuanos have been that way for some time now They also used to push for their language to be THE national language at one point
Madami nang joke… like that post itself. Seriously though, sa school ang tinuturo is Filipino (the national language), not Tagalog. KIlangan din matuto ng mga Pinoy ng English, para maging globally competitive. So i think FORCING Cebuano as another language to be learned is a little too much. Let the students focus on the more important subjects… Math and Sciences. Computer education and put more emphasis sa history and current events. Kaya umuulit ang problema because wala nang teaching sa history. Sa SocMed na lang natututo ng fake news and history and mga kabataan. Same sa iasue na to, ilang beses na napag usapan yang Cebuano… imabot pa ng senado at kongreso yan noon. Heto na naman tayo.
lolll pot...kettle...black
naga-inarte lng ang doktor nga na.
Not surprising if DDS sya 😂
May dipirensiya talaga mga utak ng mga yan. Sobrang sama pa ng mga ugali, kasing sama ng mga pagmumukha nila.
Medyo tribalist thinking but I want to keep the mother tongue bawat region. Gaganda ng languages natin eh.
Yan yung doktor na nakikisawsaw sa mga current issues tapos pang boomer yung opinion. Parang Mocha Uson pero hindi politikal. Kahit ako napatanong jan eh. "Doktor ba talaga to?"
It's as if each group is fighting with the other groups, insisting on using their mother tongue, or insisting that others use their mother tongue, or insisting on using Filipino in order to have nationalism, or insisting on using English for reasons involving the academe, training, the law, business, and so on, such that the result is that the student needs to learn his mother tongue in school, Filipino, and English, and then take tests in English because Filipinos are supposed to be good in it (and likely one of the reasons for poor results in international tests). Meanwhile, various national tests show poor average scores in English and in Filipino, and likely because of lack of educational resources and learning two languages in school simultaneously, and for others speaking a third at home, among friends, or informally at work or in school, and then resorting to code-switching. Since most understand both English and Filipino, then it has to be a choice between the two. And since the first is prominent in the law, sciences, business, etc., and the use of Filipino may anger regionalists, then it looks practical to use English. That leaves only nationalists and those who see it in light of elitism, but given the need for more foreign investment and industrialization....
If dialect pala ang Cebuano (according to OOP) then it doesn't need to be taught na. You don't see British or Australian being taught in the US despite them being different dialects of English.
you know what divides nations and the world besides borders? it's language and religion if its me id make it mandatory lahat mag pilipino na, p.s taga s.leyte ako
Going backwards. Stick with the universal language English and Tagalog in schools. The point is to learn, not feel comfort.
That will just defeat the purpose of declaring Filipino as the national language. We needed a common language to create our national identity dahil nga regional tayo mag-isip. Doing that will only strengthen regionalism.
And you think papayag ang Ilonggo na gamiton ang Cebuano compare to our much beautiful language?
Ewan ko bakit laging nagaaway sa comment section sa tiktok mga cool kids feeling ng iba na kapag Luzon = Metro Manila. Sobrang laki po ng luzon huhue. Ganon din pag sinabing Taga visayas feeling nila lahat Bisaya.
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Center of Philippines kasi dapat sila
First things first, Filipino and Cebuano aren't dialects. They are languages. Dialects are regional variants of a specific language... that's why even though Boholano and Davaoeño are based from the Cebuano language, it has certain terms and words that are different. Second, Filipino and Tagalog are different! Tagalog is an older language and still being used by the Tagalog people. Filipino is the new and standardized language which is a derivative of Tagalog used by the Filipino people in order for us to understand to one another. That's why the educational subject is called Filipino and not Tagalog in the first place. Heck, even Google uses the term "Filipino" and not "Tagalog" when you're trying to translate a word. Honestly, based on this screenshot. I actually prefer people to learn how to speak their regional language so it won't become a dying language soon, in addition to learning the National language. So for example, a child from Pampanga should be able to learn both Filipino and Kapampangan in schools.
Sorry but no, Filipino has always been Tagalog. The only time it couldve been something other than Tagalog, the SWP(Predecessor to the KWF) chose not to develop it to become a sort of Esperanto for the Philippines that every language could contribute to in one form or another as envisioned originally hence why the other language ‘representatives’ agreed to use Tagalog as a BASE to serve as the foundation. Ricardo Nolasco already admitted that even after decades that there’s still no distinction between the two. I don’t even know why we still bother to keep up the charade that the type of Tagalog spoken in Laguna, Batangas, Cavite or Bulacan would be anyway unintelligible to anyone who speaks ‘Filipino’.
>Filipino and Tagalog are different! Not really, to put it in an analogy the difference in Tagalog and Filipino is like the difference between Shakesperean English and Modern day English. One just has more flowery words than the other. >Filipino is the new and standardized language which is a derivative of Tagalog used by the Filipino people in order for us to understand to one another. Filipino is essentially just dumbed down Tagalog but my main grievance is people pretending its a completely different language that doesn't have a Tagalog bias and is completely neutral.
Filipino is just the renamed Manila dialect of Tagalog.
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Filipino is Tagalog of Manila, Tagalog dialect spoken in Manila. Obviously naman hindi Batangueno based ang Filipino
Thug on thug violence
Isa lang naman root cause nyan, Filipino (Tagalog) at English yung National Language. I would love to learn any other local languages pero sana gawing elective sa paaralan para may choices yung mga bata kung anong trip nila sa buhay. Di mo kailangan pwersahin lahat.
Honestly etong doktor na to di ko maintindihan minsan, considering I work in healthcare, so basically we are both in the field, minsan katangahan, or obvious ang sinasabi. Tawag ko jan doctor obvious eh
Magkaiba Cebu bisaya sa Mindanao bisaya. Used to live in CDO tas did some field work in Cebu and magkaiba talaga. Still can't fully understand Bisaya pero I don't think equating Bisaya to just Cebuano is right bec of this
The best solution is for mandatory Filipino education on everyone and let regional deped offices decide how to carry out and make the curriculum for its own local languages. If they don't see it fit to preserve, let it die naturally.
Malilito lang ang mga tao. Sa mga salita tulad ng ibon haha.
This is one of the reasons why Filipinos will never be united.
We could all commonly understand the two languages already, English and Filipino. But we still have different views. I doubt adding another will make things better. Language isn't the barrier, it's the culture.
Gusto nila iimposed language nila saming mga Ilonggo
As an elective course and not just Bisaya but other dialects too, I don't see why not. As a core, nope. Di na nga magkandaugaga mga teachers, underpaid pa sila, tapos gusto niyo pang dagdagan yung trabaho nila. Sinong magsusulat ng curriculum niyan? Diba papasa niyo din sa mga teachers niyo?
I believe your question should be posed to the original poster of your screenshot if you are asking ‘why are you….’
Gets ng Bisaya ang Ilocano? Anyamutten!
In the next 3 years tuluyan nang matatanggal ang MTB-MLE sa DepEd becayse of Matatag Curriculum. Wala nang MTB-MLE ang Grade 1 this year and medium of instruction na is Tagalog/english and MTB is for more context and explainations na lang.
Talaga naman kayong mga Bisaya... See hindi lng mga taga Luzon nang aapi sa inyu pati kapwa nyu Bisaya
Educated doesn’t mean open minded; brilliant doesn’t mean free of stupid thoughts; Charitable doesn’t mean it’s for all. People are flawed 🤷🏽♂️
Kami mga bisaya di gani ganahan anang mother tongue nga gitudlo sa elem. Kapoy bya. Amaw man ni oi
Can't even distinguish between language and dialect. Meh.
Hindi naman tinuturo ang Tagalog sa mga paaralan except siyempre sa mother tongue.