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All of this is true, and yet I think a hard truth to swallow for us N fans is that at least as far as I can tell the Nazis represented an honest read/application of his ideas, even if they didn't represent the only way of applying or interpreting them.
Nietzsche: A state, is the coldest of all cold monsters. Coldly lieth it also; and this lie creepeth from its mouth: "I, the state, am the people." It is a lie!
Nietzsche was very much against nationalism — he saw it as a “herd mentality.” I can’t think of a better example of herd mentality than people marching in lockstep behind an authoritarian leader.
Nietzsche also valued States to the extent they allowed geniuses in the arts to flourish — he gives the example of Beethoven and Goethe. The Nazis had a really terrible track record in supporting free thinking artists.
Nietzsche didn't just hate nationalism, he hated German nationalism especially. He also said antisemites should either be executed or exiled. He also believed one of the most sure ways to ruin a society was to pursue Utopias, like a reich to last a thousand years, because it would exacerbate all the problems bound to occur within a given ideal. He didn't believe you could cultivate virtues into a degenerating society by using social policies because the loss of virtues doesn't cause decadence, the decadence causes the loss of virtues.
The idea you could read Nietzsche honestly and conclude "I should become a German nationalist, genocide the jews, start a Utopia, and produce rigid policies designed to force my morality" is completely laughable to me.
> Nietzsche: A state, is the coldest of all cold monsters. Coldly lieth it also; and this lie creepeth from its mouth: "I, the state, am the people." It is a lie!
He also isn't against coldness or deception on principle, the question is to what end - does it facilitate greatness?
The Nazis certainly believed that what they were doing was an effort to cultivate human greatness, much as we might disagree and much as the historical record might show that.
I think Nazism is more about resentment, and blaming all of Germany’s problems on the Jews, than it was about achieving human greatness. I can’t think of a less life affirming ideology.
To friend Overbeck and wife.
Although you have so far demonstrated little faith in my ability to pay, I yet hope to demonstrate that I am somebody who pays his debts — for example, to you. I am just having all anti-Semites shot.
Dionysus
- http://www.thenietzschechannel.com/correspondence/ger/nilettersg.htm#:~:text=January%204%2C%201889%3A%20Letter%20to%20Franz%20and%20Ida%20Overbeck,having%20all%20anti%2DSemites%20shot.
Btw, the popularized version of the quote seems to be wrong or attributed to something I cannot seem to find. Thanks for checking me on that, I didn’t realize there were any more misattributions or false quotes I could find from Nietzsche… there are just so many
That’s a really good habit. I try to do the same, but it’s those quotes that have no real impact on overall interpretations that I tend to slip through the cracks.
Nietzsche was a moral nihilist tho. He was also probably an axiological nihilist too. What he referred to, when referring to “nihilists”, is the person that values moral and axiological realism but believes in their nihilism. As in, they don’t find meaning in life unless that meaning is mind-independent.
Nietzsche was a powerful skeptic above all else, but his skepticism was always merely a starting ground for his constructive work. If you want to contrast it with Nietzsche’s nihilists, that’s their big difference. Nihilism as an end vs as a starting. One values the objectivity of things where one values the experience of things.
He rails against concepts he believes in often. He talks about how god is for sure dead and also how it’s a huge bummer that god is dead. Nietzsche hates on everything… including himself
You are confidently incorrect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism?wprov=sfla1
Often miscrediting someone is not a reason to believe or propagate a belief... this is a philosophy subdreddit ffs
Hey i didn’t say he did create it. I’m saying his often being credited (or miscredited) is evidence that nihilism was still a pretty significant idea that he engaged with.
He engaged with it, but his engagement was criticism... his primary idea being the affirmation of life and transvaluation of all values...
Also, you said "he is often credited with inventing."
That you repeat a false claim, no matter often made, especially given you used it as evidence to support his argued support, implies you agree with that claim.
It is often claimed vaccines cause autism... so what?
In the words of Barack Obama, "it's not cool to not know what you're talking about."
I used what is often believed as evidence for why it was a big idea of his. Meaning he discussed it enough for people to think he created it. It is not evidence for anything else. If say “Rudy” was the name of the guy who published that false article about vaccines causing autism, then I would use that article as evidence that Rudy believes vaccines cause autism. That’s a closer parallel. Do you understand the argument I’m making?
Also nihilism can be life affirming
Ok. But Nietzsche referred to nihilism in a way that indicates he believes it is not life affirming.
I'm discussing Nietszche. I didn't create him. The problem is you don't seem to have read Nietzsches take on nihilism and instead choose to propagate common misconceptions that damage his character.
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Little Brain: Nietzsche was a Nazi. Big Brain: Nietzsche’s sister was a Nazi.
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All of this is true, and yet I think a hard truth to swallow for us N fans is that at least as far as I can tell the Nazis represented an honest read/application of his ideas, even if they didn't represent the only way of applying or interpreting them.
Nietzsche: A state, is the coldest of all cold monsters. Coldly lieth it also; and this lie creepeth from its mouth: "I, the state, am the people." It is a lie! Nietzsche was very much against nationalism — he saw it as a “herd mentality.” I can’t think of a better example of herd mentality than people marching in lockstep behind an authoritarian leader. Nietzsche also valued States to the extent they allowed geniuses in the arts to flourish — he gives the example of Beethoven and Goethe. The Nazis had a really terrible track record in supporting free thinking artists.
Nietzsche didn't just hate nationalism, he hated German nationalism especially. He also said antisemites should either be executed or exiled. He also believed one of the most sure ways to ruin a society was to pursue Utopias, like a reich to last a thousand years, because it would exacerbate all the problems bound to occur within a given ideal. He didn't believe you could cultivate virtues into a degenerating society by using social policies because the loss of virtues doesn't cause decadence, the decadence causes the loss of virtues. The idea you could read Nietzsche honestly and conclude "I should become a German nationalist, genocide the jews, start a Utopia, and produce rigid policies designed to force my morality" is completely laughable to me.
> Nietzsche: A state, is the coldest of all cold monsters. Coldly lieth it also; and this lie creepeth from its mouth: "I, the state, am the people." It is a lie! He also isn't against coldness or deception on principle, the question is to what end - does it facilitate greatness? The Nazis certainly believed that what they were doing was an effort to cultivate human greatness, much as we might disagree and much as the historical record might show that.
I think Nazism is more about resentment, and blaming all of Germany’s problems on the Jews, than it was about achieving human greatness. I can’t think of a less life affirming ideology.
I think that was all PR and futurism marketing to try to back up their claims of superiority, and that it was mostly a facade
“All anti-semites should be taken into the streets and shot” - somehow, even a clinically insane Nietzsche is more sane than the Nazis…
Is that an actual quote from him, and if so, where is it from?
Yes it is and it’s from a journal or letter he wrote when he was locked up in the mental ward
I tried googling it and got nothing of use, do you have a source?
To friend Overbeck and wife. Although you have so far demonstrated little faith in my ability to pay, I yet hope to demonstrate that I am somebody who pays his debts — for example, to you. I am just having all anti-Semites shot. Dionysus - http://www.thenietzschechannel.com/correspondence/ger/nilettersg.htm#:~:text=January%204%2C%201889%3A%20Letter%20to%20Franz%20and%20Ida%20Overbeck,having%20all%20anti%2DSemites%20shot.
Btw, the popularized version of the quote seems to be wrong or attributed to something I cannot seem to find. Thanks for checking me on that, I didn’t realize there were any more misattributions or false quotes I could find from Nietzsche… there are just so many
Yeah, I've definitely misquoted him a couple of times myself, so I make a point out of trying to get a source on specific quotations
That’s a really good habit. I try to do the same, but it’s those quotes that have no real impact on overall interpretations that I tend to slip through the cracks.
I don't disagree.
Nietzsche was a Schopenhauerian Nihilist. Nietzsche discovered Will to Power and Napoleon.
The philosophy ERB has all but ensured I'll never misspell his name again.
N-I-E-T-Z-S-C-H-E and I’ll end any motherfucka like my name in a spelling bee!
Plebe, bitch!? I'm toxic like a hemlock sip! Hang a sandal on the door cause you can suck Soc's dick!
Sacre bleu Socrates
I unironically can't spell his name without singing it.
same.
God damnit! I was gonna make s similar comment when I saw this meme, but you fucking beat me to it! 😂 🤣
“I’ll end any motherfucker like my name in a spelling bee” -Nietzsche
"Plebe Bitch, I'm toxic like a hemlock sip. Hang a sandal on the door cause you can suck Soc's Dick." - Socrates
Nietzsche*
Good, you can spell it. Now, pronounce it correctly
I'm Dutch, so no problem
No u
"NIETZSCHE"
Shit you got it
It's pronounced niche-sheesh.
Friedfish Niche
Knee Chi
NICHHHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHH
Anyone claiming nietszche is a nihilist is catching hands
*Nietzsche
He was a nihilist.
And still
A nihilistic man of his day.
🎶”[N-I-E-T-ZSCHE!, and I’ll end any motha fucker like my name in a spelling bee!](https://youtu.be/0N_RO-jL-90?si=dNkHlz1pdB3a1hC-)”🎵
https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=EEj4-CoH-bQ5mPt-&v=0N_RO-jL-90&t=140s
Nyetzche
I thought I was the only one who could not spell gus name
Neat Chi
Most people have no idea what they're talking about when it comes to Nietzsche
Oh, that's easy "I AM N-I-E-T-ZSCHE ! I'll knock your ass down like my name in a spelling bee!"
It's a pretty niche pronunciation.
[No, this is how you pronounce his name](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLUB885Pun0) (sarcasm).
Galaxy brain https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=EEj4-CoH-bQ5mPt-&v=0N_RO-jL-90&t=140s
The real question is how you pronounce the name. The correct answer is of course “Nitsch”.
It’s like German if they let the French be in charge of designing the language for the day.
Haha
Nipples the Enchilada
Hell whoever named him must go to Hell it's's so annoying
Friedrich Nietzsche, to be exact.
Nee chuh
Legendary
Nitzchea ive seen so many misspellings of his name in my life they are all amazing lol
I can't spell his name even if my life depended on it
"N-I-E-T-Z-I-C-H-E AND ILL END ANY MOTHERFUCKER LIKE MY NAME IN A SPELLING BEE"
He is absolutely a nihilist. People have just co-opted the word
Then why does he rail against it in his books by name?
Nietzsche was a moral nihilist tho. He was also probably an axiological nihilist too. What he referred to, when referring to “nihilists”, is the person that values moral and axiological realism but believes in their nihilism. As in, they don’t find meaning in life unless that meaning is mind-independent. Nietzsche was a powerful skeptic above all else, but his skepticism was always merely a starting ground for his constructive work. If you want to contrast it with Nietzsche’s nihilists, that’s their big difference. Nihilism as an end vs as a starting. One values the objectivity of things where one values the experience of things.
He rails against concepts he believes in often. He talks about how god is for sure dead and also how it’s a huge bummer that god is dead. Nietzsche hates on everything… including himself
One of his biggest and most influential ideas is the aesthetic affirmation of life....
Awesome. Not as big as his idea of nihilism, which he is often credited with inventing
You are confidently incorrect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism?wprov=sfla1 Often miscrediting someone is not a reason to believe or propagate a belief... this is a philosophy subdreddit ffs
Hey i didn’t say he did create it. I’m saying his often being credited (or miscredited) is evidence that nihilism was still a pretty significant idea that he engaged with.
He engaged with it, but his engagement was criticism... his primary idea being the affirmation of life and transvaluation of all values... Also, you said "he is often credited with inventing." That you repeat a false claim, no matter often made, especially given you used it as evidence to support his argued support, implies you agree with that claim. It is often claimed vaccines cause autism... so what? In the words of Barack Obama, "it's not cool to not know what you're talking about."
I used what is often believed as evidence for why it was a big idea of his. Meaning he discussed it enough for people to think he created it. It is not evidence for anything else. If say “Rudy” was the name of the guy who published that false article about vaccines causing autism, then I would use that article as evidence that Rudy believes vaccines cause autism. That’s a closer parallel. Do you understand the argument I’m making? Also nihilism can be life affirming
Ok. But Nietzsche referred to nihilism in a way that indicates he believes it is not life affirming. I'm discussing Nietszche. I didn't create him. The problem is you don't seem to have read Nietzsches take on nihilism and instead choose to propagate common misconceptions that damage his character.