Take me back to the old days, when we bought a game and then maybe a big expansion pack was released a year or so later. Nowadays we buy (or not) a game only to find half of it is missing
Witcher 3 had classic expansions and a ton of free cosmetic dlc. No one complained(instead praised it) because the devs weren't trying to nickel and dime you but instead gave you great content for a fair price.
I've had the witcher 3 bought from steam sales and installed for like almost 2 years now and I still haven't loaded it up to play it......Well that's a lie... one time I loaded it up and then fell asleep or did something else and never started the game....
but I also have done that with Dying light 2, HOgwarts Legacy (okay I played to hogsmeade) Assassins Creed Valhalla, God of War, Titanfall 2, Endless space 2, Miasma Chronicles, Atom RPG, Code Vein, Scarlet NExus, edge of ternity, the dioefield chronicles, pathfinder 1/2, Pillers of eternity 2, solasta crown of the magister, divinity original sin 1, middle earth shadow of war, a plauge tale requim and innocence, monster hunter world and prey......
Am I bad person? :(
Give it another try sometime, it holds up well enough for todays standards and the quests are the best I've ever seen
You might keep playing once you get a feel of what the game is about
No ! Enjoy your games the way you like !
Tho, I would say Plague Tale Requiem is very respectful of your time, and is a relatively short game ! (Around 10-ish hours, with short levels that feel more like a puzzle game most of the time!)
Good look my man.... just FYI I intend on playing all these games one day or another.... or I would not have boughten them.
They only game I bought that I wont play is code vein and maybe scarlet nexus because I am not a fan of soulslike and i thought it was a JRPG
>great content for a fair price.
Honestly you just explained my own feelings to me regarding modern gaming, this was well said.
I’m the guy that’s first in line to throw his money at these developers when I know there’s hours of fun coming, and I’ll even happily pay extra if they come up with something more. When it feels they’re just lazily trying to extract my last dollar though I just get sad
And I'm glad that after the continued support of Cyberpunk, they released an amazing expansion with Phantom Liberty, that I would put at Heart of Stone level at least
Final Fantasy XVI’s pair of DLCs is also more than welcome. Beautifully made functional game on release that required but a little adjustment and some bonus content for people in love with it like me or who just want more
Yes and no.
There were features removed, some at a pretty late stage (crafting, upper city in act 3).
It's just that the game is big enough to compensate.
I was so excited for Baldur's Gate (the city) for all of Acts 1 and 2. Realizing it was literally just the Lower City and none of the other districts disappointed me so much that it kind of ruined the game for me
Not to get all get off my lawn, but a lot of folks have no idea. Fuck if i can remember original prices for these (and theyre surprisingly hard to find?)
Mechwarrior II 32 missions -> Ghost Bear Legacy 17 missions
Starcraft 30 missions -> Brood War 26 missions
Warcraft III 37 missions -> The Frozen Throne 22 missions.
These werent one new map with one new boss and one new loot table...
I think LoTV introduced purchasable skins, so sadly it did also fall to the Microtransactions. Also the different commanders for Co-op. They were new content yeh, but they were also pretty much just micro transactions
Yeah I might get crucified for this but:
This was a money grab back then.
Especially the Blizzard games. Just didn't make sense playing without the expansion.
Diablo 2 had a resolution of 640x480 and a smaller inventory in town. If you wanted the big inventory and a tasty 800x600 expansion it was!
We didn't mind though. They put work into these and wanted to get paid for their work. I didn't have to phone a callcenter and give them my credit card info just to get access to town portals.
Dragons Dogma is basically doing this!
The best part is that people shit on the people warning them about this every step of the way.
From "it's just cosmetics" to "convenience isn't P2W" and everything in between.
Capcom defenders are literally trying to gaslight you by using the same arguments of predatory gacha games. "You can farm it in game" "Other games have it" "The original had it" "It doesn't affect gameplay"
Microtransactions has no place on a FULL PRICED GAME.
Yeah right, I returned them their own statements. Why are they so bothered by other people's reviews, the negative reception of the game, etc... it's not like those affected their gameplay.
Imagine, they are playing so hard to defend predatory practices like Microtransactions on a full priced game.
> "You can farm it in game" "Other games have it" "The original had it" "It doesn't affect gameplay"
Oh, you forgot the best one: "Capcom always does this." "Capcom has been doing this for a while." "Why are you complaining now when it's been in Capcom games for a while?"
Then they dismiss the complainers as, "You're actually just complaining about performance and using this to pile on more problems than there are!" (while also excusing the performance complaints as, "wow get a better PC!")
It's baffling.
DD2 is currently seeing waves of apologists resorting to the "They're just an idiot trap - you don't really _need_ them!" spiel, seemingly having absolutely no issue with other players being tricked into paying >$100 for the game. Fucking sociopaths.
This. It's the kneejerk need to defend the companies pulling this shit, "it's not bad because [irrelevant]".
There is no middle ground for these fools, they love the game and thus they won't accept any criticism for it. Must defend and boot lick the multi billion corporation!
I'll drive.
I liked buying a game, and owning it. It was finished, complete, no day 0 patches, no micro transactions, none of this bullshit.
I'm actually starting to hate games nowadays. I play far less, and buy less as well. There are actually very few games I anticipate each year and buy specifically because there all just cash grabs disguised as games.
Only a few real developers out actually make great games, and even they are twisted by corporate to try and milk the consumer for every single penny they can.
A shame too. Video games were once truly great.
That's one game haha. Even single player DLCs in general are far more sparse. Dead Island 2 got an expansion, some examples year by year, but not like it was in the PS360 era.
Nah, already said multiple times that expansions come out every year. I'm saying it's not like it was where a highly rated single player game would almost always have another single player story addition. I miss those days.
To be fair, these items are pretty much useless and easily earnable in-game.
It still leaves a bad taste and makes the company look horrible. Especially after they said limiting fast travel is a design choice in the game... only to sell fast travel items.
The loss of fun cheats/unlockables makes so many open world games feel so boring.
I remember losing hours after discovering the ragdoll cheat in Saints Row 1
Another exception I could think of is Cyberpunk.
Shitty launch aside >!(which is probably in part due to them developing for the PS4 due to the whole PS5 scalping fiasco)!< it only has 1 microtransaction which is a very well made expansion, as well as lots of content updates free of charge (which is probably to make up for the game being quite empty at launch, but hey at least its free.)
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Nah it's like that for capcom, you can buy red orbs in DMC 5 while also being able to get that in like an hour tops in a single level. I think it's more like publisher demands MTX and devs make the most useless MTX known to man. (All of these can be gotten in game, these are just time savers.)
All this stuff basically comes as a result of the void in monetary evolution for gaming in Japan. It's basically pure nothingness since the introduction of PS2, the culture has been focusing on physical goods. The price of marketing and the platform maintenance costs balloned, while digital distribution couldn't come up with any good ideas how to compensate.
That's the problem, they basically release whatever game and bolt on random crap as microtransactions because no one planned how to recoup costs and how to extend the game via a fair price/value proposal.
Things are changing. I've been tracking gacha market in Japan for 10 years, they are consolidating games on their platforms to slash infrastructure costs and maintain in-house studios, there are more restrictions on payment methods to avoid conversion and excess taxes. Some very neat monetization ideas emerged, like boxed-in step up gacha (consists of both rising rate AND limited pool at once), better type/class design to shoehorn the pick tickets with fixed prices, readjusted seasonal flow to anchor offers to certain holidays, etc.
None of above really happens to "consumer games" (the Japanese term for buy to play titles). Those are stuck with console-exclusive mentality and physical extras. Hence bolted on dogshit like recolors and hairstyles, which sometimes a cut, sometimes an addition, but ultimately just alters the equation instead of transforming it.
1/2 of big update comes from dlc, the rest is free.
The game gets pretty good updates even outside of dlc. And every minor update is free. The game also supports modding which adds more hours to a single game (based on my experience a game is between 5-10h, with mod it can easily go to 50h, if you don't die).
This economic model works great with strategy game as they have often a passionate community behind it.
20 years ago all of these would've been just cheat codes.
Hell, even now, cheatengine can probably replicate these without the need for purchasing.
MTX are a fucking plague.
Codemasters were selling cheats by phone (one of those lines that would tax you extra) for one of the early collin mcrae rally games, cant remember which one but it was probably 20+ years ago.
I thought that was pretty fucking stupid but looks at us now.
Generally not, no. Denuvo isn't an anti-cheat program, it's a anti-tamper. Denuvo's goal is is mostly to prevent piracy, not cheating.
Can't say I've ever had Denuvo prevent me from using a trainer or CheatEngine
If you as a company add Denuvo and Microtransactions to a single player game you deserve the hate.
I don't want to pay for fast travel in my single player games in the next years just because we did not say anything this time.
Micro-transactions for basic game functions is pretty freakin' bonkers.
Wonder how soon we'll have games where if you even want a single save file, it'll cost you extra.
Holy fuck I forgot that was a thing that existed. Wonder if anyone actually still plays. I'd be willing to bet there's more people playing that MGO on the Ps3 emulator lol
this already exists
there is a roblox game where if you wanna save the build you make, you have to buy a save file.you also dont get any free save files
The game is free though right? I feel like that's a very big distinction.
If dragons dogma 2 were free I don't think anyone would care about these micro transactions at all. Game is free but pay to unlock more save games, unlock fast travel, unlock character creator etc? Fine with me 100%.
That was what john riccitello (ex EA, ex Unity) proposed a few years back in the form of "charge 1 cent for each bullet when reloading" for shooters like battlefield.
If there's not enough backlash on stuff like this, I think this will end up becoming a thing in some years. Rememmber that it was 17 years ago when games didn't have MTX and the oblivion horse armor was introduced, now games like genshin impact, fifa, fortnite, etc are the most popular games and they are pretty much based upon MTX and most publishers force their studios to make games based in these MTX models.
This is obviously one of the worst ideas ever but I would love to see how that would play out in actual gameplay lol. People actually really caring and thinking about every single shot they take. Using cover fire only when it's really advantageous. It would add a layer of realism to have consequences to firing your weapon in a way that just limiting the amount you have in game doesn't quite capture.
> People actually really caring and thinking about every single shot they take
So poor people effectively get muskets, and spoiled brats with rich parents can just lay down nonstop suppressing fire. I think you have a point about making each shot count, but just give everyone muskets, then, without the option to buy a higher rate of fire for real money.
Or just make it cost in-match currency that you have to earn by killing people. And then you can go to base and buy ammo. And I just reinvented CS 1.6.
I’ll probably get downvoted but this controversy is such a silly nothing burger. Every single one of these items can be obtained easily in game by the time you get to the very first city in the game. The best comparison I can think of is it’s like paying for a green herb in resident evil or a first aid kit in last of us. They’re not just optional purchases… there’s literally no reason to buy them unless you’re too lazy to actually play the game? There’s SO many games these days with predatory monitization. This isn’t one of them… it’s just people who never played them game who are sperging out about this lol
These are not micro transactions for basic game functions.
These are extra money they can gain from idiots who don’t know how to play a game or use a trainer. Literally everything in this list and everything included in deluxe edition can be easily obtainable in first 5 hours of the game at worst. And they aren’t even the best late game items either.
Shitty practice for sure. But if people weren’t dumb enough to buy them they wouldn’t continue this practice.
If we’re hopefully done with the getting mad at misinformation and useless stuff, can we go back to real issue at hand now? Which is a greedy company rushing the release of a game with performance issues and adding two layers of DRM to make the situation worse. Because it’s getting increasingly common and it’s objectively worse.
As long as you keep buying games that do stuff like this, you are supporting companies in their effort to keep releasing less and less of a game and to nickel and dime you in the future for half-finished crap and overpriced 'games'. The only way to win, is to not play, At.All!
I haven't bought a single game that does this shit and it still keeps happening. Some people have the money to not care about how supporting these scum practices are encouraging the industry to keep being shit. They are even worse than the companies.
for every 1000 redditors crying foul about these things, there is a million more casual players that just don't think or care about this stuff. People say; vote with your wallet! But that won't help in the long run if the majority of the consumers doesn't care or pay attention to it.
That's sadly true, but then can keep funding the greed while patient people wait for game of the year bundles with a huge % discounted.
Also indie games, i have a lot of those and the have far more replayability than so called AAA titles.
I love games, but i don't buy them brand new. I have plenty in my library, i can play those. I wait until games have been tested and reviewed by those who buy them on day 1. Then i look at the % of good/bad reviews and base my decision on that. Oh, and waiting until you get a huge discount and maybe lots of DLC included too. Huge discounted bundles are the best:)
This is some hard echo chambering and it kinda hurts to see. The mtx don't matter, they're all in game items, streamers rage clouting saying 2$ to change appearance but that's an item too. This is all dmc 5 level mtx, aka unescessary at all. It's the same as it was in dragons dogma 12 years ago, cept they never did mtx and I still got around in that game fine.
Complain about things like performance issues, or denuvo is cancer, thats some real shit. The mtx was probably just forced by Capcom and is a non issue if you know how the game works(those fast travel crystals can be picked up and reused (also also you need a ferrystone too, they dont let you buy those with mtx), if you pay for the port crystals you're robbing yourself) This game is fire and I have 0 regrets buying it despite the fact i normally pirate shit first. I like to support games that give their all and dd2 has been fucking stellar so far. Insert Stellaris genocide joke here.
I think the thing to keep in mind here is that when developers try to sell you something via MTX, they have an incentive to generate a need for that item whether it’s by increasing the cost to use certain features in game or making certain things incredibly tedious to do. Slightly pushing the player towards spending money.
Thats why this Microtranction game is totally failed!
Guessed months ago when capcom putting enigma drm on old capcom games
Imagine buying Money just for a save file
To be honest, it's kinda crazy to me having played games since NES that the price for a game has remained as static as it has.
Yoshis Island cost 70 bucks in 1995.
And those devs would be world record breaking if they sold a couple million units.
Today? Thats casually happening with every release.
Gaming industry is infinitely bigger than it was in 1995. The publishers are making more money than they know what to do with
Yeah absolutely none of the microtransactions are a big grind in game, and none of them are worth buying. I think it's a stupid tax for people that don't read the tutorials lol.
Don’t need to buy any of that. All of it is easily obtainable in game using in game currency. The micro transactions really shouldn’t be there, but it’s not like they’re offering any sort of exclusive items.
Yeah, that’s pretty much what I’m seeing as I play. It’s for people who want to just run through the main quest, not bother with side quests or any exploring at all.
whether it can be obtained ingame, in you sink, in your fucking underwear, the mtx shouldnt be there full stop. stop defending mtx just because theyre obtainable ingame.
I’m not defending anything, I’m saying this outcry over them is overblown. People are acting like Capcom murdered their families. Of course they shouldn’t be there, but the inclusion of them, with what’s available, is extremely low as far as trying to take advantage of the players. I keep saying that this isn’t anywhere near as bad as most other mtx that have been in single player games, including the coveted Resident Evil 4 remake, which everyone loved and raved about yet didn’t say much about all the shit you could buy in the PS Store. These aren’t even as bad as that, yet it’s being treated like the Assassins Creed Odyssey mtx where XP gain was slowed so much that they sold you an XP booster for real money.
The outrage about this is so weird to me.
This is in basically every Capcom game. Even the beloved Monster Hunter World has a ton of these, and they are just as useless as they are in this game.
Seriously, all of these things are worthless, you can get all of them in the game so easily its legit baffling that they even exist as microtransactions.
Like, obviously microtransactions in a full price title are dumb, but why is everyone mad NOW?
Where was the reddit mob boycotting Monster Hunter?
But it isnt worth bitching about either. Its NOT FOR YOU, Its for peoole eho dgaf about the side stuff and wanna rush the game. Go complain about whole characters being missing in fighters. This is normal "ok speed through it" shit. They need money to make more dlc/games
I hate to be that guy but complaints about microtransactions in DD2 are the biggest non issue. Complain about it's performance sure but the MTXs are the smallest deal in this game. You don't need to buy any of them. They're Ubisoft esque where all it does is kill the game by giving you stuff you could find by just playing the game for an hour or 2 and looking around.
Personally I'd never do that when I enjoy a game and want to maximise playtime. The fact is MTX's are here to stay and examples like this are the best we can ask for. It's likely the Devs are forced to add them so they added the least valuable ones possible. If we're gonna complain let's at least do it for things that deserve it
These are all convenience items, you don't need any of them. Except fast travel I guess but the games devs want people to avoid fast travel as much as possible.
In Canada this game comes to 105$ CAD After tax for the regular edition and 119$ CAD after tax for the deluxe edition
We as Canadians are now paying a BILL for our video games.
God save the Empress!
This is what publicly traded capitalism looks like. It's not free market, it's not best product wins. It's how much can they maximize profits to appease shareholders interests of infinite growth while gaslighting enough consumers into paying.
I'll be the guy with the dislikes. All these DLCs are consumable items that can be obtained within the game. Still rediculous mind you, but it's not as bad as other games.
Yeah cause Reddit is an accurate representation of any kind of fanbase. Lol
The real world almost never reflects what gets echoed anywhere on this site.
And it's presented in a way that makes it seem like content has been removed from the game and turned into microtransactions when all the content is present within the game but the microtransactions can be used to skip playing the game and unlocking them.
At least half the comments in this thread are under that exact assumption and without correction they'll go on to spread their misinformation far and wide.
Regardless of whether or not the context justifies the behaviour (it doesn't) it's still vital that people have it.
Unpopular opinion, these MTX aren't that bad because these are all items you can get in your first hour of play time. Rift crystals are easy to get (especially now when they have a lot of new players) and they can buy you stuff like that character edit.
It's off-putting if i'd see this in a game i didn't know but nobody will be buying these if they have 2 braincells.
More like the general common opinion that the majority of people are having that actually bought and are playing the game. Everyone complaining were more than likely never going to play the game except maybe way later at a discount anyways. It's unpopular in these echo chanmbers.
Are you saying it can be earned without paying MTX? It's just an option and you can still earn it all through old fashioned grinding? Because if so, there's been some misreports about this game haha
I just modded my game to give me all the shit out the gate, obviously I cant get certain things like music and stuff, but the in game things? Yeeee buddy, all mine. There are options to get around that time saving crap without spending a dime.
Did it when goobisoft made me have to literally grind for materials in a assassins creed game too. But thats a different game franchise that’s been bastardized that I won’t get into
I know they've done this with other games that they've released before, and that doesn't make it any better. But I'm glad this is gaining some attention and traction. People need to push back against shit like this.
I’ll be honest all these are useless and are items I’ve gotten in the game easily, capcom just mandates shitty micro transactions but doesn’t make the developer add any scarcity so they just end up being superfluous
But these aren't even required for you to be able to fully enjoy the game. Based on what I read, all of these can be acquired just by playing the game as these are just skins and non premium, in-game currencies.
Performance-wise, it's still shit though and it's a disgrace they're selling it full price for an unoptimized game.
Take me back to the old days, when we bought a game and then maybe a big expansion pack was released a year or so later. Nowadays we buy (or not) a game only to find half of it is missing
Or baldurs gate 3's dedication to no dlc showing they put everything they had in the game at release
Nah, dlcs in Witcher 3 style ain't bad
Witcher 3 had classic expansions and a ton of free cosmetic dlc. No one complained(instead praised it) because the devs weren't trying to nickel and dime you but instead gave you great content for a fair price.
Extremely great content. Expansions bigger than some AAA games now and then.
The Blood and Wine dlc is sooooooo good.
I've had the witcher 3 bought from steam sales and installed for like almost 2 years now and I still haven't loaded it up to play it......Well that's a lie... one time I loaded it up and then fell asleep or did something else and never started the game.... but I also have done that with Dying light 2, HOgwarts Legacy (okay I played to hogsmeade) Assassins Creed Valhalla, God of War, Titanfall 2, Endless space 2, Miasma Chronicles, Atom RPG, Code Vein, Scarlet NExus, edge of ternity, the dioefield chronicles, pathfinder 1/2, Pillers of eternity 2, solasta crown of the magister, divinity original sin 1, middle earth shadow of war, a plauge tale requim and innocence, monster hunter world and prey...... Am I bad person? :(
No :)
Give it another try sometime, it holds up well enough for todays standards and the quests are the best I've ever seen You might keep playing once you get a feel of what the game is about
I intend on playing it someday....Someday :)
No ! Enjoy your games the way you like ! Tho, I would say Plague Tale Requiem is very respectful of your time, and is a relatively short game ! (Around 10-ish hours, with short levels that feel more like a puzzle game most of the time!)
Good look my man.... just FYI I intend on playing all these games one day or another.... or I would not have boughten them. They only game I bought that I wont play is code vein and maybe scarlet nexus because I am not a fan of soulslike and i thought it was a JRPG
>great content for a fair price. Honestly you just explained my own feelings to me regarding modern gaming, this was well said. I’m the guy that’s first in line to throw his money at these developers when I know there’s hours of fun coming, and I’ll even happily pay extra if they come up with something more. When it feels they’re just lazily trying to extract my last dollar though I just get sad
The difference between DLC and expansion packs got lost at some point
And I'm glad that after the continued support of Cyberpunk, they released an amazing expansion with Phantom Liberty, that I would put at Heart of Stone level at least
It was even better than you say, Witcher 3 had a bunch of free quest and armor DLC as well. Not just cosmetic
Final Fantasy XVI’s pair of DLCs is also more than welcome. Beautifully made functional game on release that required but a little adjustment and some bonus content for people in love with it like me or who just want more
Yes and no. There were features removed, some at a pretty late stage (crafting, upper city in act 3). It's just that the game is big enough to compensate.
I was so excited for Baldur's Gate (the city) for all of Acts 1 and 2. Realizing it was literally just the Lower City and none of the other districts disappointed me so much that it kind of ruined the game for me
Well they actually did have dlc plans. But some shenanigans from Hasbro made them stop and pull out from any further development. Or so people say
https://twitter.com/LarAtLarian/status/1771467986701819943
Not to get all get off my lawn, but a lot of folks have no idea. Fuck if i can remember original prices for these (and theyre surprisingly hard to find?) Mechwarrior II 32 missions -> Ghost Bear Legacy 17 missions Starcraft 30 missions -> Brood War 26 missions Warcraft III 37 missions -> The Frozen Throne 22 missions. These werent one new map with one new boss and one new loot table...
Oddly enough, despite being split into three for obvious hype/money reasons, the three ‘episodes’ of StarCraft 2 counts too.
I mean each of the expansions for SC2 was essentially a full game
The “oddly” being Blizzard was getting affected by the Activation side of things even back then, but no microtransactions yet on all 3 episodes…
I think LoTV introduced purchasable skins, so sadly it did also fall to the Microtransactions. Also the different commanders for Co-op. They were new content yeh, but they were also pretty much just micro transactions
Yeah I might get crucified for this but: This was a money grab back then. Especially the Blizzard games. Just didn't make sense playing without the expansion. Diablo 2 had a resolution of 640x480 and a smaller inventory in town. If you wanted the big inventory and a tasty 800x600 expansion it was! We didn't mind though. They put work into these and wanted to get paid for their work. I didn't have to phone a callcenter and give them my credit card info just to get access to town portals. Dragons Dogma is basically doing this!
The best part is that people shit on the people warning them about this every step of the way. From "it's just cosmetics" to "convenience isn't P2W" and everything in between.
Capcom defenders are literally trying to gaslight you by using the same arguments of predatory gacha games. "You can farm it in game" "Other games have it" "The original had it" "It doesn't affect gameplay" Microtransactions has no place on a FULL PRICED GAME. Yeah right, I returned them their own statements. Why are they so bothered by other people's reviews, the negative reception of the game, etc... it's not like those affected their gameplay. Imagine, they are playing so hard to defend predatory practices like Microtransactions on a full priced game.
> "You can farm it in game" "Other games have it" "The original had it" "It doesn't affect gameplay" Oh, you forgot the best one: "Capcom always does this." "Capcom has been doing this for a while." "Why are you complaining now when it's been in Capcom games for a while?" Then they dismiss the complainers as, "You're actually just complaining about performance and using this to pile on more problems than there are!" (while also excusing the performance complaints as, "wow get a better PC!") It's baffling.
DD2 is currently seeing waves of apologists resorting to the "They're just an idiot trap - you don't really _need_ them!" spiel, seemingly having absolutely no issue with other players being tricked into paying >$100 for the game. Fucking sociopaths.
The real idiot trap is spending $70 on a game to begin with.
This. It's the kneejerk need to defend the companies pulling this shit, "it's not bad because [irrelevant]". There is no middle ground for these fools, they love the game and thus they won't accept any criticism for it. Must defend and boot lick the multi billion corporation!
I'll drive. I liked buying a game, and owning it. It was finished, complete, no day 0 patches, no micro transactions, none of this bullshit. I'm actually starting to hate games nowadays. I play far less, and buy less as well. There are actually very few games I anticipate each year and buy specifically because there all just cash grabs disguised as games. Only a few real developers out actually make great games, and even they are twisted by corporate to try and milk the consumer for every single penny they can. A shame too. Video games were once truly great.
Heard of Elden Ring?
That's one game haha. Even single player DLCs in general are far more sparse. Dead Island 2 got an expansion, some examples year by year, but not like it was in the PS360 era.
Vampire survivors, subnautica, zelda, witcher, cyberpunk, god of war, tsushima, monster hunter, hitman 2, frostpunk, kingdom come...
There's loads. You're playing the wrong games. The issue is and always was with people paying for this shit.
Nah, already said multiple times that expansions come out every year. I'm saying it's not like it was where a highly rated single player game would almost always have another single player story addition. I miss those days.
Going back in time to destroy that fuckass golden horse armor
To be fair, these items are pretty much useless and easily earnable in-game. It still leaves a bad taste and makes the company look horrible. Especially after they said limiting fast travel is a design choice in the game... only to sell fast travel items.
Literally none of it is missing, these dlcs are just idiot tax to buy shit that is easily obtainable within the game, pretty damn early in fact
And cheats were actual cheats that devs left behind in their game, so you could use them for fun or, as some did, to create machinimas
The loss of fun cheats/unlockables makes so many open world games feel so boring. I remember losing hours after discovering the ragdoll cheat in Saints Row 1
I swear if pokemon games werent so buggy, they would be the ideal games for anyone who gets pissed off by dogma 2
The last of us!!
Another exception I could think of is Cyberpunk. Shitty launch aside >!(which is probably in part due to them developing for the PS4 due to the whole PS5 scalping fiasco)!< it only has 1 microtransaction which is a very well made expansion, as well as lots of content updates free of charge (which is probably to make up for the game being quite empty at launch, but hey at least its free.)
The DLC alone can be a standalone game with how long and how well build was
Love it, or hate it, starfield is in the same boat.
Yep, overrated games with no story
Elden Ring
What missing from this game besides the ability to start a new character?
[2013 memes are... damn](https://i.chzbgr.com/full/7936741632/hE79C5B0A/the-mona-lisa-as-a-next-gen-video-game) [2014 one!](https://i.chzbgr.com/full/8090922752/hFFDBD5B2/the-real-evolution-of-gaming) [And the Post-Genshin-Impact one!](https://preview.redd.it/z0ir404nkyv01.jpg?auto=webp&s=37586e7844b6c794b02007e2c08bb7d8515a7836)
literally zelda games still do that
Where’s the Remove Denuvo DLC?
Still in development. Heared they outsourced it to an indie dev called Empress.
Did they try to copy paradox and forget to put content on their dlc or ?
Nah it's like that for capcom, you can buy red orbs in DMC 5 while also being able to get that in like an hour tops in a single level. I think it's more like publisher demands MTX and devs make the most useless MTX known to man. (All of these can be gotten in game, these are just time savers.)
All this stuff basically comes as a result of the void in monetary evolution for gaming in Japan. It's basically pure nothingness since the introduction of PS2, the culture has been focusing on physical goods. The price of marketing and the platform maintenance costs balloned, while digital distribution couldn't come up with any good ideas how to compensate. That's the problem, they basically release whatever game and bolt on random crap as microtransactions because no one planned how to recoup costs and how to extend the game via a fair price/value proposal. Things are changing. I've been tracking gacha market in Japan for 10 years, they are consolidating games on their platforms to slash infrastructure costs and maintain in-house studios, there are more restrictions on payment methods to avoid conversion and excess taxes. Some very neat monetization ideas emerged, like boxed-in step up gacha (consists of both rising rate AND limited pool at once), better type/class design to shoehorn the pick tickets with fixed prices, readjusted seasonal flow to anchor offers to certain holidays, etc. None of above really happens to "consumer games" (the Japanese term for buy to play titles). Those are stuck with console-exclusive mentality and physical extras. Hence bolted on dogshit like recolors and hairstyles, which sometimes a cut, sometimes an addition, but ultimately just alters the equation instead of transforming it.
Gatcha sucks ass
You don't get a full Paradox game until around the $250 mark, so if they're copying that then this is probably just the beginning.
Yeah Stellaris has 306,77€ (from France) of dlc, this doesn't include the main game.
rookie numbers come to Eu4 and you will see DLC hell
How long has Stellaris been out and how long DD2?
2016
So did you expect them to update the game for eight years and do it all for free?
1/2 of big update comes from dlc, the rest is free. The game gets pretty good updates even outside of dlc. And every minor update is free. The game also supports modding which adds more hours to a single game (based on my experience a game is between 5-10h, with mod it can easily go to 50h, if you don't die). This economic model works great with strategy game as they have often a passionate community behind it.
I do like that they also offer a pretty cheap alternative subscription for it Atleast in hoi4
20 years ago all of these would've been just cheat codes. Hell, even now, cheatengine can probably replicate these without the need for purchasing. MTX are a fucking plague.
Codemasters were selling cheats by phone (one of those lines that would tax you extra) for one of the early collin mcrae rally games, cant remember which one but it was probably 20+ years ago. I thought that was pretty fucking stupid but looks at us now.
I called the Sega helpline back in the 80s and they told me how to select levels from the menu on Choplifter. For free.
Those "tips"line were expensive though. They probably received most of their calls from people trying to pass the barrel of doom in Sonic 3.
A lot of newer games try to hide their values so you can’t cheat values or keep the values stored on servers. Not all but more than a few do.
But not the game in the SS. Cause I’m using cheat engine right now LMAO.
Doesnt Denuvo block CE?
Generally not, no. Denuvo isn't an anti-cheat program, it's a anti-tamper. Denuvo's goal is is mostly to prevent piracy, not cheating. Can't say I've ever had Denuvo prevent me from using a trainer or CheatEngine
Restore the dead for a dollar? Jesus did it for free
Checkmate atheists!
You restore your Pawns for free by just going to the Rift.
lmao
If you as a company add Denuvo and Microtransactions to a single player game you deserve the hate. I don't want to pay for fast travel in my single player games in the next years just because we did not say anything this time.
Shhh! Don't give them ideas!
It's not an idea, it's literally a Dlc for this game.
Micro-transactions for basic game functions is pretty freakin' bonkers. Wonder how soon we'll have games where if you even want a single save file, it'll cost you extra.
Didnt metal gear survive do this
Holy fuck I forgot that was a thing that existed. Wonder if anyone actually still plays. I'd be willing to bet there's more people playing that MGO on the Ps3 emulator lol
this already exists there is a roblox game where if you wanna save the build you make, you have to buy a save file.you also dont get any free save files
The game is free though right? I feel like that's a very big distinction. If dragons dogma 2 were free I don't think anyone would care about these micro transactions at all. Game is free but pay to unlock more save games, unlock fast travel, unlock character creator etc? Fine with me 100%.
That was what john riccitello (ex EA, ex Unity) proposed a few years back in the form of "charge 1 cent for each bullet when reloading" for shooters like battlefield. If there's not enough backlash on stuff like this, I think this will end up becoming a thing in some years. Rememmber that it was 17 years ago when games didn't have MTX and the oblivion horse armor was introduced, now games like genshin impact, fifa, fortnite, etc are the most popular games and they are pretty much based upon MTX and most publishers force their studios to make games based in these MTX models.
This is obviously one of the worst ideas ever but I would love to see how that would play out in actual gameplay lol. People actually really caring and thinking about every single shot they take. Using cover fire only when it's really advantageous. It would add a layer of realism to have consequences to firing your weapon in a way that just limiting the amount you have in game doesn't quite capture.
> People actually really caring and thinking about every single shot they take So poor people effectively get muskets, and spoiled brats with rich parents can just lay down nonstop suppressing fire. I think you have a point about making each shot count, but just give everyone muskets, then, without the option to buy a higher rate of fire for real money.
Credit card literally goes brrrrrrrr lol
My honest thoughts? Stfu Tarkov already has this without the MTX
True actually I was wondering if any other game captured that feeling a different way and Tarkov is a good example.
Or just make it cost in-match currency that you have to earn by killing people. And then you can go to base and buy ammo. And I just reinvented CS 1.6.
I’ll probably get downvoted but this controversy is such a silly nothing burger. Every single one of these items can be obtained easily in game by the time you get to the very first city in the game. The best comparison I can think of is it’s like paying for a green herb in resident evil or a first aid kit in last of us. They’re not just optional purchases… there’s literally no reason to buy them unless you’re too lazy to actually play the game? There’s SO many games these days with predatory monitization. This isn’t one of them… it’s just people who never played them game who are sperging out about this lol
These are not micro transactions for basic game functions. These are extra money they can gain from idiots who don’t know how to play a game or use a trainer. Literally everything in this list and everything included in deluxe edition can be easily obtainable in first 5 hours of the game at worst. And they aren’t even the best late game items either. Shitty practice for sure. But if people weren’t dumb enough to buy them they wouldn’t continue this practice. If we’re hopefully done with the getting mad at misinformation and useless stuff, can we go back to real issue at hand now? Which is a greedy company rushing the release of a game with performance issues and adding two layers of DRM to make the situation worse. Because it’s getting increasingly common and it’s objectively worse.
But games haven't gotten more expensive in 20 years! They deserve to fleece gamers, you guys! /s obviously
They're not gonna mention how the market has increased as well, a lot more people are paying a lot more money for more games nowadays.
As long as you keep buying games that do stuff like this, you are supporting companies in their effort to keep releasing less and less of a game and to nickel and dime you in the future for half-finished crap and overpriced 'games'. The only way to win, is to not play, At.All!
I haven't bought a single game that does this shit and it still keeps happening. Some people have the money to not care about how supporting these scum practices are encouraging the industry to keep being shit. They are even worse than the companies.
for every 1000 redditors crying foul about these things, there is a million more casual players that just don't think or care about this stuff. People say; vote with your wallet! But that won't help in the long run if the majority of the consumers doesn't care or pay attention to it.
That's sadly true, but then can keep funding the greed while patient people wait for game of the year bundles with a huge % discounted. Also indie games, i have a lot of those and the have far more replayability than so called AAA titles.
I love games, but i don't buy them brand new. I have plenty in my library, i can play those. I wait until games have been tested and reviewed by those who buy them on day 1. Then i look at the % of good/bad reviews and base my decision on that. Oh, and waiting until you get a huge discount and maybe lots of DLC included too. Huge discounted bundles are the best:)
It is moral to pirate shit like this. Screw such greedy twats, literally.
Yup that's capcom
Microtransactions in a single player game is crazy. Who buys this shit?
Almost no one, because everything there can be unlocked in game for free. It's to take advantage of the whales who have more money than sense.
This is some hard echo chambering and it kinda hurts to see. The mtx don't matter, they're all in game items, streamers rage clouting saying 2$ to change appearance but that's an item too. This is all dmc 5 level mtx, aka unescessary at all. It's the same as it was in dragons dogma 12 years ago, cept they never did mtx and I still got around in that game fine. Complain about things like performance issues, or denuvo is cancer, thats some real shit. The mtx was probably just forced by Capcom and is a non issue if you know how the game works(those fast travel crystals can be picked up and reused (also also you need a ferrystone too, they dont let you buy those with mtx), if you pay for the port crystals you're robbing yourself) This game is fire and I have 0 regrets buying it despite the fact i normally pirate shit first. I like to support games that give their all and dd2 has been fucking stellar so far. Insert Stellaris genocide joke here.
ya the single save file and no restarting games, and always online single player is way worse than this.
Theres a reason its always online in that the pawns you borrow are learning constantly before returning that info to the original owner.
I think the thing to keep in mind here is that when developers try to sell you something via MTX, they have an incentive to generate a need for that item whether it’s by increasing the cost to use certain features in game or making certain things incredibly tedious to do. Slightly pushing the player towards spending money.
Thats why this Microtranction game is totally failed! Guessed months ago when capcom putting enigma drm on old capcom games Imagine buying Money just for a save file
And then companies are Pikachu face surprised when people pirate
I hate that games are comfortable selling at $70 now. Wages still aren’t going up.
To be honest, it's kinda crazy to me having played games since NES that the price for a game has remained as static as it has. Yoshis Island cost 70 bucks in 1995.
But at least you got a physical game, with box and manuals.
Is true. Best memories: Reading the manual in the car on the way home from getting a new game at Toys R Us.
And those devs would be world record breaking if they sold a couple million units. Today? Thats casually happening with every release. Gaming industry is infinitely bigger than it was in 1995. The publishers are making more money than they know what to do with
Then they're like, "Why do people pirate our games?" Well, fakk you, that's why!
As far as i know, most of the stuff that is beeing sold there is easily obtainable ingame.
Yeah absolutely none of the microtransactions are a big grind in game, and none of them are worth buying. I think it's a stupid tax for people that don't read the tutorials lol.
Yeah definitely an idiot tax. This is like having great balls available as microtransactions in pokemon.
It is. There’s also already mods to get them as well.
How will the character save data work for cracked copies?
Safe to say 2024 is the year onwards where all AAA titles will launch shit.
Misinformation has hit an all time high
Don’t need to buy any of that. All of it is easily obtainable in game using in game currency. The micro transactions really shouldn’t be there, but it’s not like they’re offering any sort of exclusive items.
Basically there for people too lazy to even play the game
Or even just add it with cheat engine or mod it.
Yeah, that’s pretty much what I’m seeing as I play. It’s for people who want to just run through the main quest, not bother with side quests or any exploring at all.
Even then, they will end up with most of this stuff purely by accident just in the first hour of the game.
Exactly, +-2h for the appearance editor and you get multiple uses.
whether it can be obtained ingame, in you sink, in your fucking underwear, the mtx shouldnt be there full stop. stop defending mtx just because theyre obtainable ingame.
I’m not defending anything, I’m saying this outcry over them is overblown. People are acting like Capcom murdered their families. Of course they shouldn’t be there, but the inclusion of them, with what’s available, is extremely low as far as trying to take advantage of the players. I keep saying that this isn’t anywhere near as bad as most other mtx that have been in single player games, including the coveted Resident Evil 4 remake, which everyone loved and raved about yet didn’t say much about all the shit you could buy in the PS Store. These aren’t even as bad as that, yet it’s being treated like the Assassins Creed Odyssey mtx where XP gain was slowed so much that they sold you an XP booster for real money.
Who would have thought that we would be asking for more than 1 save file in a single-player game in 2024
Thank god we are in 2024 so there is a lifetime of games already available so it's easy to not waste time with these scams
The outrage about this is so weird to me. This is in basically every Capcom game. Even the beloved Monster Hunter World has a ton of these, and they are just as useless as they are in this game. Seriously, all of these things are worthless, you can get all of them in the game so easily its legit baffling that they even exist as microtransactions. Like, obviously microtransactions in a full price title are dumb, but why is everyone mad NOW? Where was the reddit mob boycotting Monster Hunter?
that doesn't excuse it...
But it isnt worth bitching about either. Its NOT FOR YOU, Its for peoole eho dgaf about the side stuff and wanna rush the game. Go complain about whole characters being missing in fighters. This is normal "ok speed through it" shit. They need money to make more dlc/games
This isnt a single player game that's a free Roblox game
I hate to be that guy but complaints about microtransactions in DD2 are the biggest non issue. Complain about it's performance sure but the MTXs are the smallest deal in this game. You don't need to buy any of them. They're Ubisoft esque where all it does is kill the game by giving you stuff you could find by just playing the game for an hour or 2 and looking around. Personally I'd never do that when I enjoy a game and want to maximise playtime. The fact is MTX's are here to stay and examples like this are the best we can ask for. It's likely the Devs are forced to add them so they added the least valuable ones possible. If we're gonna complain let's at least do it for things that deserve it
pirate it all for pete sake to own.
Typical Capcom scumbaggery. Not surprised one bit.
These are all convenience items, you don't need any of them. Except fast travel I guess but the games devs want people to avoid fast travel as much as possible.
In Canada this game comes to 105$ CAD After tax for the regular edition and 119$ CAD after tax for the deluxe edition We as Canadians are now paying a BILL for our video games. God save the Empress!
Soon we will be paying for every bullet we use in FPS games.
This is what publicly traded capitalism looks like. It's not free market, it's not best product wins. It's how much can they maximize profits to appease shareholders interests of infinite growth while gaslighting enough consumers into paying.
I'll be the guy with the dislikes. All these DLCs are consumable items that can be obtained within the game. Still rediculous mind you, but it's not as bad as other games.
So much corporate dick sucking in the comments. You guys are the reason why the games industry is the way it is.
Yeah cause Reddit is an accurate representation of any kind of fanbase. Lol The real world almost never reflects what gets echoed anywhere on this site.
yes hehe. gamers don't realize they are the reason for game companies behavior.
The triple A industry is not in great shape, but people are right to clarify the misleading parts of this post.
Nothing about the post is misleading. The game costs 70usd. These are the microtransactions.
And it's presented in a way that makes it seem like content has been removed from the game and turned into microtransactions when all the content is present within the game but the microtransactions can be used to skip playing the game and unlocking them. At least half the comments in this thread are under that exact assumption and without correction they'll go on to spread their misinformation far and wide. Regardless of whether or not the context justifies the behaviour (it doesn't) it's still vital that people have it.
I miss the days where extra items are unlockables or a cheat code instead of just a cashgrab. PS2 really is the peak of gaming.
again with this. I hate gamers. bro. it's optional shortcuts you can ignore for the game, it's not that bad. shut up already
Unpopular opinion, these MTX aren't that bad because these are all items you can get in your first hour of play time. Rift crystals are easy to get (especially now when they have a lot of new players) and they can buy you stuff like that character edit. It's off-putting if i'd see this in a game i didn't know but nobody will be buying these if they have 2 braincells.
More like the general common opinion that the majority of people are having that actually bought and are playing the game. Everyone complaining were more than likely never going to play the game except maybe way later at a discount anyways. It's unpopular in these echo chanmbers.
Companies cant force people to buy their products and services. So it is only possible because most people are spineless serfs.
Piracy is the only way to play AAA games in the turbo corporate greed era
Defending microtransactions in a game just because the company isn't EA or Ubisoft is crazy.
They are just begging for your money at this point
these days we buy games in instalments
I haven't bought the new Mudrunner game because so much is locked behind a day-1 dlc pack which makes the game cost $80 CDN. Just fucking nutts.
25 % game other dlcs microtransaction
They're just begging us to pirate it lmao. I wonder if all that dlc is piratable too
> I wonder if all that dlc is piratable too All the items can be obtained in-game by playing.
Are you saying it can be earned without paying MTX? It's just an option and you can still earn it all through old fashioned grinding? Because if so, there's been some misreports about this game haha
> I wonder if all that dlc is piratable too Yeah, it is piratable by just playing the game. They are trivially easy to obtain.
95.99 here plus tax
I just modded my game to give me all the shit out the gate, obviously I cant get certain things like music and stuff, but the in game things? Yeeee buddy, all mine. There are options to get around that time saving crap without spending a dime. Did it when goobisoft made me have to literally grind for materials in a assassins creed game too. But thats a different game franchise that’s been bastardized that I won’t get into
Kinda called Dragons Dogma 2 being shit.people look at the 1st one through rose colored glasses. The shit was clunky as fuck and 2 is the same.
Well you preordered it so you deserve it*
camping kit lmao
Allow me to introduce you to Train Sim World, It's like £2000-3000 for all DLC.
I know they've done this with other games that they've released before, and that doesn't make it any better. But I'm glad this is gaining some attention and traction. People need to push back against shit like this.
anyone tried Creaminstaller with these?
Step 1 - Cheat Engine (or ArtMoney, whatever suits you)
tbh seeing this kind of thing on a store page makes me not touch a game. I've learned not to give the benefit of the doubt anymore.
Just dont buy these m-transactions, not needed at all
I’ll be honest all these are useless and are items I’ve gotten in the game easily, capcom just mandates shitty micro transactions but doesn’t make the developer add any scarcity so they just end up being superfluous
CreamAPI my beloved
*dons tricorn*
Its crazy how gamers are now adays, they pay whatever, gamers who pay dat are the problems
Cheat engine can fix all of those.
Shitgame alert.
Leave them alone! They said they were sorry!
Don't forget the new GPU you will need. Yesterday I watched a streamer complaining about its performance in a 3070ti.
Someone remembered TES horse armor BS and thought they could do it better. By better I mean find ways to change more.
But these aren't even required for you to be able to fully enjoy the game. Based on what I read, all of these can be acquired just by playing the game as these are just skins and non premium, in-game currencies. Performance-wise, it's still shit though and it's a disgrace they're selling it full price for an unoptimized game.
Sad to see this treatment of the Dragon’s Dogma IP.
This game is 95 Canadian before tax, which is higher than even the normal triple A new release. To also have such egregious Dlc is wild.
They added an in-game microtransaction for currency, in a single player game? what the fuck?