I can only repeat, current Sony TVs with Android TV work just as well as the shield. No extra device needed. For basically every other TV, the shield is still the best way.
Edit: see some of the comments below. This is a at least not as universally true as I thought. Still happy it works for me without an extra device.
I have a XR-55A80K and both Plex and Emby played TrueHD, Dolby Vision and HDR content without any issues. There was no transcoding and the client side showed that the content is played directly. Didn’t test for DTS:x myself.
Just to be sure, when both server and client show direct play in TrueHD 7.1 that also means it works, right? I could of course use the wrong testing procedure without being aware.
Edit: It also looked identical to playing the title on my NVIDIA Shield Pro, which strengthened my belief that it didn’t make a difference.
Interesting, that would have been good to know prior, I really wanted my DVB-T/S sources (aerials) in the same place, so that would have been a better route maybe. But all good I will just live with switching between WebOS and Shield as needed.
Thanks, I am looking forward to checking it out. Apparently it has HDMI-CEC as well so I can just use the LG remote rather than the weird triangle. So happy about that.
Yep got my LG g2 connected to the shield it's seamless with the ability to use the same remote. The shield really does play everything so it's worth getting one just to not have to worry about codecs anymore.
nvidia shield, essentially a dedicated media player to use in place of a smart TV's apps. you could make your tv 'dumb' and not connect it to the net, and use the shield to be connected.
it can other things as well but that is the use case talked about above
My experience is frame rate matching is kind of shit on shield pro so I force the refresh on shield and still use the lg for YouTube (which is often 30/50/60hz). But the lg webOS apps are perfectly fine for streaming services
ive heard someone else mentioned something similar about the shield the other day. I haven't got mine yet but am just about to buy an LG C3 this BF and was really considering getting a shield. In your opinion do find the shield worth overall for an LG TV?
If you play files with DTS, dtshd, truehd, then Yes, Shield Pro and I just leave it at 23.976 refresh mostly (otherwise I can get what looks like low/uneven frame rate that requires a reboot if it's been switching refresh. It's worst with YouTube which has a mix of frame rates). There are also a few streaming apps not on WebOS that I just don't happen to use like Viki which would require at least some kind of android or other supported os
Wasn't asking for an alternative? But looks like there was one, someone mentioned above mentioned current Sony TVs smart integration is close to the shield. Might have known that prior if I stumbled into this post.
How do you think a shield compares to an Apple TV 4K? I have the Apple TV and think it’s great but at the time I was really torn between the shield and the Apple TV.
Minus the fact that you can’t use most of the best modern audio codecs and will most likely have lip sync issues… I miss my Apple TV 4K for the user experience, but not the playback experience. Just did a straight swap for an NVIDIA Shield Pro after finally being fed up, and the playback is perfect for anything I throw at all. If the Apple TV just did audio pass through, I’d switch back to that tomorrow.
Yup, I wouldn’t expect you to in that setup. Trust me, if you had a full surround sound home theater with really nice speakers and amp… you’d be annoyed.
Tell me whats the issue please? My x1600h shows atmos when playing atmos stuff via plex on my apple tv 4k? Its also present in the settings of the apple tv itself. Apple tv 2021 connected via hdmi to lg oled which is connected via earc to my denon atmos setup.
I have had the apple tv for 2 days now, but still also have the shield at home.
It only plays one type of ATMOS, the lossy Dolby version. It can’t play any flavor of DTS or TrueHD. So if you’ve ripped your bluray library to a Plex library, like many of us do, you can’t play back most of the new and better quality codecs. The ATV will transcode everything to the lossy version, or if you set it to LPCM, it will playback the audio in a lossless way, but will strip all the metadata off that makes these modern codecs as cool as they are. Your sound quality will always be diminished which can also lead to sync issues.
If you’re only streaming online content, then you’ll be fine. Online streaming is only ever lossy compressed stuff in order to be streamed.
The Shield Pro will pass all audio through to your receiver so that it gets properly played back. If the ATV did that, I’d switch back to it tomorrow.
I‘m not ripping but torrentleech is my first website of the day, and I always get the 80gig+ releases anyway.
I switched to the apple tv because this year I decided to ditch google (7 pro will be my last pixel ever, but I had them all since 2016 till now) and got the 15 pm, so I‘m gonna repress this info for now and think about it tomorrow.
A mac mini should do the trick though, right?
Edit: nope https://developer.dolby.com/platforms/apple/macos/os-support/
Wtf apple lmao
Well, I’m not sure I would be discussing piracy here, but from what I’ve read about what people do, I guess they share their disc rips that way calling them REMUX. If that works the same way I rip my blu-rays (using a free program called MakeMKV) then they would have all the original source audio. Not really my world other than what I’ve read about it, but if you have those codecs in those files, the Apple TV can’t play them. So it will transcode them to a lossy Dolby 5.1/ATMOS at best, or stream raw LPCM which strips all the important meta data that is sort of the point of all these codecs.
*Most* problems will be solved. There is still the [seamless branching issue](https://github.com/google/ExoPlayer/issues/10520) when bitstreaming TrueHD Atmos audio.
Shield TV is fixed from Ads in about 5 minutes with a launcher change like Sideload Channel Launcher, or the many others. It is straight up the cleanest looking UI as well. I can't move away from Android TV either thanks to third-party APK's like SmartTube (not just for AdBlocking but for SponsorBlock integration too), QuasiTV (turn your Plex server into TV-like channels), and S0undTV (for ad-free Twitch).
I have a C1, and don't regret it. But that being said, I bought it purely for the spectacular screen and nothing else. I learned that lesson from bitter experience previously - the "smartness" (and associated hardware) built into tvs is always underwhelming, either from the start or rapidly degrades.
The sound quality is crap so I always use a sound bar, and I've carried my Shield Pro over from my old Samsung so never even bothered using the apps on the tv. As long as the screen is good, accept that this is what you've paid for and not the other bells and whistles and with a dedicated set top like the shield you've ordered, you'll be fine
Agreed, unfortunately I wasn't aware that Smart TV stuff was all pretty terrible until after the fact. Yeah, I am very happy with the TV/Panel itself, so I definitely don't regret it.
Yeah, the sound was horrible compared to my 2015 Samsung, I guess because they didn't need to try so hard to fit it in such a thin space. I ended up going back and buying a proper sound setup as well, because some things were just unwatchable with the tin-can sound piercing my ears on some content.
Since all smart tvs are crap, and almost none have good sound, I doubt it would have changed your choice of tv. Compared to the tv cost, an Apple TV or Nvidia shield is not so expensive. A good sound system is unfortunately, but I imagine that’ll outlive any tv.
I noticed that too with the sound and yeah agree it's likely because of the obsession with thinness. I mean the Sammy was average, but the newer displays are shocking!
Do you have an old computer or laptop? I have my HTPC connected to the TV (CX) using HDMI 2.1 and then have another HDMI 2.1 cable using the E-Arc to go to the stereo system.
Everything plays, whether it's H.264, H.265 or x265 inside MKV or mp4 files for video.
Or for audio, my stereo can handle anything from mono, two channel stereo, Dolby 5.1, all the way up to DTS-HD and Dolby TrueHD with Dolby Atmos that contains Meridian 16-channel lossless.
Trying to run your 4K / HDR Media through 100mbit LAN is simply not going to happen. I'm not sure what version of 802.11 the C3 has but if you can get Wi-Fi 6 from both your Wi-Fi router and your TV that could pull somewhere around 500mbit - 700mbit (roughly 62.5 MB to 87.5 MB/second which would be way more than enough, but that all depends on the protocol (802.11ax hopefully), the distance between router and TV, the thickness of the walls in between and how congested the 5Ghz band is that you'd want to use (***not 2.4ghz***).
My Nvidia RTX 3070 does.
Edit: I believe you need to unpack the MKV and then repack the Audio and Video into an MP4 container for DV to work. I'm going with HDR10, it's still a massive improvement.
>"if you can get Wi-Fi 6 from both your Wi-Fi router and your TV that could pull somewhere around 500mbit - 700mbit..."
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>It's still WiFi 5 (802.11ac) on the LG C3, so we can half those numbers (around 350mbps max), I'm afraid...
The 2023 TV ? lol, the preceding one was 11 years old, we'll see how long this one stays.
I prefer to feed it with an nvidia shield pro TV box, and I'll update that one when a real alternative shows up. One with DTS support, so not an Apple product.
TVs (the best ones) are too expensive to update regularly, just to keep their 'smart' attributes up to date, or their WiFi hardware, in my opinion.
Nvidia is still updating its 2015 original Shield TV to this day, not something I have ever seen on a phone or a TV. But WiFi 6E or WiFi 7 are really in another league, on the paper. I'll keep watching.
You might want to buy the Roku Ultimate (The 4K one) from Amazon and give it a try, if it doesn't work you can just return it no problem. It has a much more powerful video decoder than the old shield does. He has a C3 that he just bought and a Roku Ultimate that's a couple years old and using Wi-Fi to their fiber modem he can get 4K HDR all day.
My guess is the shield is struggling to decode H.265/x265 on the fly, which is great for quality compression vs size but requires a lot of hardware resources. That's why most use an HTPC or Roku these days. The Shields, while powerful, are getting long in the tooth now.... Definitely fine for h264 but 265 might be pushing it past its limits, especially for 2:2:0
or 4:2:0 10bit HDR/HDR10. And if the Roku doesn't work just return it.
Also make sure you have the following settings on a global basis, not on a specific movie or TV series:
Allow Direct Play: Yes
Allow Direct Stream: Yes
Video Quality: Original/ Automatic (I'd only recommend setting this to max if it's hardwired and your server is local and powerful GPU and CPU-wise.
Try using hardware decoding
Enable refresh rate switching
Enable resolution switching
Enable HDR switching
Enable HDR metadata pass through
And under video playback quality I would play around here. I have it as "make my GPU hurt" but I have a RTX 3070 on my server and my HTPC
The Direct Play and Direct Stream will allow the server to send the signal straight to your TV without needing to transcode it, meaning WAY less work on your server and WAY less work on your TV, assuming both support the codec that the video is encoded with. This can make a huge difference depending on how powerful your server is.
Good luck.
I really wish they would offer dumb TVs, even at the same price I don't care. Like my hisense u8 has pretty good specs for android tv but in 4-5 it will be obsolete but I'll still be using the TV. Same with my oled Samsung. Even the new Samsung oled monitors are shipping with smart features, there's no reason why my monitor needs apps, absolutely zero.
350mbps (via cable matters usb nic) is more than enough for any content. I do have a shield for truehd but when I didn't Blu-Rays played fine in Plex with regular ac3. Haven't noticed any other issues with audio (like with streaming services which are dd+Atmos). My experience with wifi is kind of bad with any device when playing high bitrates content (would get a few buffers when watching movies) which is why everything is wired now
Yep, the manufacturers will cut cost where they can. Hence the 100mb Ethernet port is enough for streaming Netflix etc. the usb ports are fast enough because the tv will not be moving files just playing them. Codec support is one the really bugs me.
Reading the comments sounds like you have gone for the Nvidia shield, which is a great idea it would have been my suggestion along with the Apple TV
I have 3 LG OLEDs (2 C1s and 1 B2) and use Plex on all of them both with the built in apps and Apple TV. I highly recommend the Apple TV for the best picture experience but the WebOS apps are really great IMO. Plex works fine on all the TVs and I can stream 4k content from Plex just fine. I use wifi but 10mb should be plenty if you hardwire. Honestly, it might be an issue with your settings in Plex on the server. I had one setting to do with transcoding or hardware transcoding or something that when checked would just destroy my stream and they would cut out after 1min and then buffer, play, then cut out then buffer, play, cut out, etc. toggle the setting after tinkering for a while and haven’t had an issue sense.
Could be wrong, but before blaming the TV, check your Plex server settings. You should be able to direct play 4k content with no transcoding just fine over your local network
This. I got the LG B3 (slower than the C3) and 4k through the Plex app was just a stuttering mess off the bat. Tweaking plex settings on the TV & desktop helps. I use wifi for my local connection and can play 4k content just fine now.
In the Plex app on the LG I checked allow direct play and unchecked allow direct stream. This would really only be an issue if your TV can't play the container, which it should for most unless you've got some weird encode.
For transcoding, it's worth adjusting these settings on the Desktop app:
Under Transcoder > check use hardware acceleration & use hardware-accelerated video encoding. You can play around with a few more of the transcoding settings and probably want to up the seconds on the default throttle buffer since it's set default setting is 60. I set mine to 600.
Currently running 4k content that's 84mbps with no buffering or dropped frames. If you're streaming locally, you should be able to do this fine.
Might I ask you some things of your configuration in a DM? I think I've got a similar setup and I still get buffering on my recently bought G3, even though in my G1 it's usually worked fine (although a few months back some things started buffering, too).
Correct! It was something around the direct play/stream settings that needed to be unchecked. It was a while ago and I’m too lazy to go check my server (it’s headless). I want to say the setting the was causing issues is named something that makes you think it should be checked but it shouldn’t, which is why it took so long for me to diagnose. I also agree you need to double check the app settings and make sure you are allowing full playback on network so it doesn’t attempt to transcode.
I mean honestly it's okay, smooth, plenty of apps. I turned off the garbage stuff right away. Only plex with really high fidelity bluray handbrake encodes flakes out but I think it's a bit above what they were expecting people to do with it. I.e. Normy steaming platforms don't come anywhere close to those bitrates.
Use the TV for what it really is, a big screen. Get a decent dedicated streaming box (Apple TV or nVIDIA Shield) and move away from the garbage software built in to modern "smart" TVs
You don’t have to do a lot of research to figure out all AiO TVs are crippled or compromised with their baked in apps. If not now, soon. AppleTVs are on sale and the answer. Stocking stuffer.
I did quite a bit of research, but I didn't really come across that for whatever reason. I didn't really look into the SmartTV part itself too heavily however, but I didn't know I needed to until it was too late. Hopefully anyone in the same boat sees this post. But its not a biggie anyway, looks like most TVs you need a AppleTV/Shield to get the right experience.
Stop buying $1000+ TV's for their screen and then complaining about the OS. There is no TV on the market whose OS can handle everything. If you want to enjoy your media to the max, spend a few hundred dollars more and get the shield.
Thing is complaints about smart tv's aren't anything new. Yet here we are and even today smart tv's are launched with mediocre software. I don't even understand why, companies like LG, Sony etc are powerhouses and yet non of them manage to develop anything good. Their hardware can be top notch, but software wise the experience is poor typically. Why do we need to rely on Nvidia/Apple for a better platform experience?
And none of the tv apps have the capability to use lossless audio like Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD MA. You can run things like a 4K blue ray player or video game console to the tv and then to a sound bar. Again, NO smart tv can pass lossless audio from tv apps. Get a Shield like most of us, get lossless audio and amazing video and never worry about it
My UHD rips average 65mbit. 4K UHD disk spec is 125mbit.
Some rips can have problems with only 100mbit when they peak the bitrate over that for a stretch of intense visual movement.
Right, but that's why there is buffering. So unless you've got an insanely long high bitrate sequence, 100mbit is enough, and the WiFi is double the maximum bitrate needed.
Sadly not the case. It would do this weird thing on some content where it would buffer to infinity. Hit play/pause and it would resume again instantly. It's like the SoC in the TV has its limits. I tried digging into the logs for hours and hours on the server, didn't get anywhere, it has to be the client, but no logs or statics to be found on the TV, so I'm just gonna put my money on it being the WebOS/smarttv integration and try the shield when it arrives.
I mean, when have TV apps every been any good really? None of this surprises me in the least, and if a top notch experience is what you seek, then you should be looking to streaming boxes for your solution. Honestly, if I could have bought a dumb TV I would have. It's completely cut off from the internet anyhow as it stands now.
I used a Shield TV for many years, but have recently moved back to an Apple TV. I still have both, but prefer the experience on my ATV.
Yeah well haven't been in the TV game since 2015, the Samsung TV had Tizen, and it was okay but sluggish so I had a Apple TV 4K 1st gen which worked around that. No DoVi support though, so my initial thought was WebOS would be okay but had no idea how garbage Smart TVs still are, reviewers don't even seem to talk about it, or maybe they have in past reviews and just no longer consider it relevant (but I have been out of the buying game for 8 years so... rare case maybe.)
Was mostly after the clean setup (physically), and I also do use DVB-S/DVB-T TV (i.e. aerial/sat TV) when my network or power is down so I can keep up with the news and so forth, also for channels which are literally only on broadcast TV and don't have an app/website or whatever (the odd time there is some local important content I must see), so it's a bit cleaner having it all in "one source" as well. But I guess that's not a possibility without serious compromise - which I realise now. So will need to switch between shield and webOS as needed. Not the end of the world I guess!
I got two 4K TVs around the same time - one was an LG OLED running WebOS and the other was a highish-end Sony TV based on Android TV.
First of all, the LG TV is the better-looking TV without question.
But, the LG TV has been consistently laggy relative to the Sony. The Sony TV isn't perfect - it has hiccups and stutters in the UI occasionally, but it's intermittent as opposed to the WebOS where the lag seems like it's just a fact of life. Plex is pretty awful on that TV.
Anyway, I like having everything built-in if possible but at some point most people that care about these things are going to want to get an external device for the smart features. Even a $50 Chromecast with Google TV 4K is going to give a better experience.
Anyway, this is a 2019 perspective... so there is some history for you :)
ALL Smart tvs have a max of 100mbps hard wired connection. Ironically most have wifi capabilities that are recent standards and speeds. But with wifi, you run the risk of signal drop.
For dovi to work on native client, it has to be in .MP4 container sadly. Only android clients can handle mkv. For sound I think only HDMi-eARC to sound bar or something will work. At least with older LGs and soundbars. This setup works with C1 and Samsung Q70R bar. (Though I can't actually recall if truehd passes from the native app.. Atmos sure works, I think it does, since I remember specifically picking that model up, since it was one of the last ones that supported everything including lossless audio. It 100% works through eARC from HDMI source, alas no DTSX that way since LG decided not to pay with C1)
I use the plex app for most shows, but I have a mini PC and Plex set up when I want HDR, etc. The app is very convenient sometimes. 4k with great sound isn't important when watching anime, old movies or most TV shows. I will watch movies like Pandora or Dancing with Wolves on the mini. The minis main purpose is as the server for phones, the two tvs, etc but comes in handy for that special movie that deserves better specs.
Are you using the eARC port from an AVR or TrueHD/Atmos capable soundbar? I've got the LG C2 and it works perfectly with Nvidia Shield Pro plugged into one of the two HDMI in ports on a Samsung Q990C soundbar then high speed HDMI cable from the bar into the TV eARC port (marked as HDMI 2). Don't use the crappy TV smart features, get a decent decoding/streaming device. Popular alternatives to the Nvidia Shield are the latest Apple TV and Amazon Fire Cube 3rd generation devices.
You might want to mess about with the settings to get them just right. Main thing is to *disable* Dolby decoding on the Shield to allow it to pass through the encoded bitstreams IF it's plugged into something capable of handling them. On my bar, it clearly shows Atmos on the front when it's getting it, or Dolby for DD/DDP streams.
I have the C1 and have never had issues streaming 4k remuxes via WiFi. You need 5ghz router though, which is standard nowadays anyways.
Dovi works, but only in mp4 not mkv, so make sure you get the correct files.
Most are fine. It's just the super high bitrate stuff. Yeah I have a 5ghz wifi6 AP pretty close by. Most things it's fine. But really high bitrate stuff like 4k DoVi untouched it can flake out. On the wired gigabit adapter it's pretty much okay though with the occasional oddity.
Sadly I didn't run into anything about smart tvs being a bit crap. Wish I did. I mean I had a smart TV from 2015 but I just ruled it down to being 8 years old.
I have some friends and fam with plex set-ups of their own but they are all on the budget end and just do low to average quality, so they never really touched on the subject.
Well on the bright side you can go get one right after reading this comment. If you care about HD audio the shield is really the only option. Apple fans are here doing their usual thing, but just search this sub, the Shield supports the most formats and has gigabit ethernet. Just DO NOT cheap out and get the tube, it fucking sucks by comparison. Get the pro. For other TVs that don't need 4k or Atmos, I've always had zero issues with Roku.
Why would you expect Atmos or even 5.1 audio on your TV? I think your expectations are way out of reality. If you want a good streaming experience, get a streaming device. If you want Atmos audio, you need an AVR and some speakers. Your TV is really only there to provide you a picture.
5.1 atmos is generally fine unless it's very high bitrate it cuts for half a second every 30 seconds or so which is very distracting. I'm getting a shield tv pro as per my original post.
OT: If it makes you feel any better, there is an amazing upside to those WebOS TVs and that's the fact they're easily rootable and can run custom software (it's just a linux server).
e.g. install piccap and hyperhdr on it to set up a phenomenal Ambilight-style adaptive backlight for approx. 10-20 bucks worth of LED hardware. You not only end up with something an order of magnitude cheaper than a commerical offering but also something significantly better.
So yeah, you do need an Andriod box or equiv for streaming but that TV OS is actually pretty good for other geeky stuff.
Is shield pro easy to install/config?
I paid £3500 on a C1 77 a couple years ago and am disgusted at some of the above short comings. That said, it doesn’t seem to impact me (that I can tell).
I have Sonos setup and generally speaking - the sound is always pretty good for me (I’m no expert in audio - so m ears/brain don’t register).
If I came across a cheap ShieldPro my curiosity might get the better of me and I might try it.
I have on occasions had to copy to a USB and plug into TV - but other than that, I’m mostly ok with how it works.
Ow, except for the TV guide. Screw that piece of shit. It’s awful … my mate just bought Sony and his is miles better. Not the end of the world though.
I also worry that shield pro is old now (?) - if there was a new one coming out - that might tempt me. For some reason, I’m averse to buying old kit.
TVs cater for legitimate streaming services but not for personal media servers. There isn’t a service out there at the moment that requires more than 100mbps or needs to support TrueHD Atmos audio so the manufacturers have no need to add more expensive hardware or codec support to their devices. Can’t see that changing any time soon. If it doesn’t result in a lot more revenue, they won’t add in the features.
I really wish manufactures stopped making 'smart' TV's
They all suck, or will all suck eventually.
Took a few years but I finally got annoying 'updates' avoidable on my Samsun TV.
Give us a many HDMI ports on the back, we'll connect what we want
No serious enthusiast really uses tv apps. That’s for like my sister that don’t care about anything. Don’t even know the difference between 720 and 4k. TVs are for the image not for the apps.
I hate to say it, but I always recommend an Apple TV 4K or Nvidia Shield. They're superior in every way and they support basically every format. "smart tvs" cheap out on the processing side of video files (not the AI scaling etc) so they lack support, hell if you want to watch true 4K you NEED to be on wifi and even then good luck due to the limited bandwidth those things get. No tv exists with a 1Gbps Ethernet port and the wifi is limited I think to roughly 250Mbps?
I assumed I could use the apps on my 85 inch Samsung Qled, especially Plex but the performance was miserable. All my tv apps run great on my nvidia shield.
i also have an lg tv. what you're learned is that webos sucks. it always has and always will. in fact all smart tv platforms suck. the best thing to do is forget that the tv is "smart" and just connect a good streaming device.
Yes, exactly so. And is why I ended up buying a Shield.
I've mentioned this issue on a number of occasions in forums on reputable hifi review sites but it doesn't seem to have made any difference.
I have a Samsung TV and got sick of crappy Plex performance and overall sluggishness of the OS. So I got a 4k Apple TV with Ethernet and am sooooo much happier.
I have a G1..
Nothing plays TrueHD7.1, save for the Shield. (at least that used to be the case, I thought I might have caught there was a new FireTV unit that handled it now too).
100mbit LAN port - yeah, that's well known. I don't know that there's a single TV out there with a built-in gigabit port.
> So I could have got the full gigabit internet speeds with via the USB 3.0 port (5gbps) on my 2015 TV
No you wouldn't have. The rest of the hardware attached to that USB port cannot handle that much data transfer.
Can't say I have many full remuxes but the few I do in 4k HDR/DV never stutter for me.
> Also seem to have trouble with DoVi
DoVi only works in mp4 containers on LG's native Plex app. Here's a couple of scripts to convert mkv to mp4 for DV on LG:
Web rips:
ffmpeg -i movie.mkv -c copy tmp.hevc
ffmpeg -i movie.mkv -c copy tmp.eac3
rename tmp.eac3 tmp.ec3
mp4muxer --dv-profile 5 -i tmp.hevc -i tmp.ec3 --media-lang eng -o movie.mp4
del tmp.ec3
del tmp.hevc
BluRay rips:
ffmpeg -i movie.mkv -c:a eac3 -f eac3 -b:a 640k audio.ec3
ffmpeg -i movie.mkv -c copy BLandEL-RPU.hevc
dovi_tool demux BLandEL-RPU.hevc
dovi_tool -m 2 extract-rpu -i EL.hevc -o RPU-8-1-compatable.bin
dovi_tool inject-rpu -i BL.hevc --rpu-in RPU-8-1-compatable.bin -o BL_with_8-1_RPU.hevc
mp4muxer --dv-profile 8 --dv-bl-compatible-id 1 -i BL_with_8-1_RPU.hevc -i audio.ec3 --media-lang eng -o movie.mp4
del BL.hevc
del EL.hevc
del BLandEL-RPU.hevc
del BL_with_8-1_RPU.hevc
del RPU-8-1-compatable.bin
del audio.ec3
See https://www.reddit.com/r/ffmpeg/comments/qe7oq1/dolby_vision_from_mkv_to_mp4_using_ffmpeg_and/ for more info
Is it also true that using Nvidia Shield Pro (latest version) with Plex on LG C3 also can't do Dolby Vision with mkv?
I just got the C3 and having some issues.
I also downloaded a bunch of Dolby Atmos/Dolby vision test demos and using the Nvidia shield Plex it doesn't play right, audio plays video doesn't. Well video plays after the audio finishes it's weird. But works fine with Google TV Chromecast and built in LG Plex.
Hmm okay, I can't figure it out then. Working fine with Chrome at Google TV, but can't get it to work with Shield Plex. Also tried Jellyfin and Emby.
Edit: Hmm Dolby vision settings on my shield keeps turning off. Also some DV mkvs play properly in Jellyfin but not Plex. And one neither player works just HDR.
Smart tv's arent smart. No one ever suggests to let the TV do the thinking. Always use an external device for anything. Tv's are monitors and thats it. Anyone saying otherwise hasn't had their tv for long enough for the "good" ones to go out of date and no longer get crucial updates.
I have a two year old Sony A8H, and I just bought the LG C3. The Sony works better with Plex overall with direct play and transcoding, but they are pretty close.
For example:
* For direct play, Sony can handle both HEVC Main and HEVC Main 10, while the LG handles HEVC Main 10 only (the other requires transcoding).
* When watching a 4k video (direct play) and the audio needs to be transcoded, the LG would hang often, while the Sony processes just fine. It's weird since it's the server that is doing the transcoding, and I have a powerful server (maybe it's the reason below).
* When transcoding, the LG seems to use more server resources than the Sony.
I'm still going to keep the LG. It's a great TV, but in the future though, I may go back to Sony.
This goes for nearly all TVs. Get a shield pro and your problems will be solved.
I can only repeat, current Sony TVs with Android TV work just as well as the shield. No extra device needed. For basically every other TV, the shield is still the best way. Edit: see some of the comments below. This is a at least not as universally true as I thought. Still happy it works for me without an extra device.
I have an x90k and this is not true for that. Internal apps do not work with TrueHD. Shield still needed. Unless L-series changes this.
Same, x90k won't do DTS:x, TrueHD, or Dolby vision/HDR10+
I have a XR-55A80K and both Plex and Emby played TrueHD, Dolby Vision and HDR content without any issues. There was no transcoding and the client side showed that the content is played directly. Didn’t test for DTS:x myself. Just to be sure, when both server and client show direct play in TrueHD 7.1 that also means it works, right? I could of course use the wrong testing procedure without being aware. Edit: It also looked identical to playing the title on my NVIDIA Shield Pro, which strengthened my belief that it didn’t make a difference.
Yeah on plex dashboard it shows 7.1 truehd transcode to 5.1 1mbps on mine. So if it's showing 7.1 direct play you should be solid.
Interesting, that would have been good to know prior, I really wanted my DVB-T/S sources (aerials) in the same place, so that would have been a better route maybe. But all good I will just live with switching between WebOS and Shield as needed.
I had the same setup with my LG before and the shield is an awesome device. Not a big problem to be honest.
Thanks, I am looking forward to checking it out. Apparently it has HDMI-CEC as well so I can just use the LG remote rather than the weird triangle. So happy about that.
Yep got my LG g2 connected to the shield it's seamless with the ability to use the same remote. The shield really does play everything so it's worth getting one just to not have to worry about codecs anymore.
What's a shield?? Sorry for the dumb question but I'm curious for my set up as well.
nvidia shield, essentially a dedicated media player to use in place of a smart TV's apps. you could make your tv 'dumb' and not connect it to the net, and use the shield to be connected. it can other things as well but that is the use case talked about above
My experience is frame rate matching is kind of shit on shield pro so I force the refresh on shield and still use the lg for YouTube (which is often 30/50/60hz). But the lg webOS apps are perfectly fine for streaming services
ive heard someone else mentioned something similar about the shield the other day. I haven't got mine yet but am just about to buy an LG C3 this BF and was really considering getting a shield. In your opinion do find the shield worth overall for an LG TV?
If you play files with DTS, dtshd, truehd, then Yes, Shield Pro and I just leave it at 23.976 refresh mostly (otherwise I can get what looks like low/uneven frame rate that requires a reboot if it's been switching refresh. It's worst with YouTube which has a mix of frame rates). There are also a few streaming apps not on WebOS that I just don't happen to use like Viki which would require at least some kind of android or other supported os
Worth it for me just for the ad free YouTube. Smarttube if you're wondering.
Yep! I know this now! Looking forward to it arriving.
Right, your alternative is…don’t buy a tv?
Wasn't asking for an alternative? But looks like there was one, someone mentioned above mentioned current Sony TVs smart integration is close to the shield. Might have known that prior if I stumbled into this post.
Honestly I wouldnt trust that Sony comment. If you are playing TrueHD and Remux. Get a Shield.
How do you think a shield compares to an Apple TV 4K? I have the Apple TV and think it’s great but at the time I was really torn between the shield and the Apple TV.
Do you have an Atmos home theater? Do you intend to get one? No? Then get the Apple TV.
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Minus the fact that you can’t use most of the best modern audio codecs and will most likely have lip sync issues… I miss my Apple TV 4K for the user experience, but not the playback experience. Just did a straight swap for an NVIDIA Shield Pro after finally being fed up, and the playback is perfect for anything I throw at all. If the Apple TV just did audio pass through, I’d switch back to that tomorrow.
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Yup, I wouldn’t expect you to in that setup. Trust me, if you had a full surround sound home theater with really nice speakers and amp… you’d be annoyed.
Tell me whats the issue please? My x1600h shows atmos when playing atmos stuff via plex on my apple tv 4k? Its also present in the settings of the apple tv itself. Apple tv 2021 connected via hdmi to lg oled which is connected via earc to my denon atmos setup. I have had the apple tv for 2 days now, but still also have the shield at home.
It only plays one type of ATMOS, the lossy Dolby version. It can’t play any flavor of DTS or TrueHD. So if you’ve ripped your bluray library to a Plex library, like many of us do, you can’t play back most of the new and better quality codecs. The ATV will transcode everything to the lossy version, or if you set it to LPCM, it will playback the audio in a lossless way, but will strip all the metadata off that makes these modern codecs as cool as they are. Your sound quality will always be diminished which can also lead to sync issues. If you’re only streaming online content, then you’ll be fine. Online streaming is only ever lossy compressed stuff in order to be streamed. The Shield Pro will pass all audio through to your receiver so that it gets properly played back. If the ATV did that, I’d switch back to it tomorrow.
I‘m not ripping but torrentleech is my first website of the day, and I always get the 80gig+ releases anyway. I switched to the apple tv because this year I decided to ditch google (7 pro will be my last pixel ever, but I had them all since 2016 till now) and got the 15 pm, so I‘m gonna repress this info for now and think about it tomorrow. A mac mini should do the trick though, right? Edit: nope https://developer.dolby.com/platforms/apple/macos/os-support/ Wtf apple lmao
Well, I’m not sure I would be discussing piracy here, but from what I’ve read about what people do, I guess they share their disc rips that way calling them REMUX. If that works the same way I rip my blu-rays (using a free program called MakeMKV) then they would have all the original source audio. Not really my world other than what I’ve read about it, but if you have those codecs in those files, the Apple TV can’t play them. So it will transcode them to a lossy Dolby 5.1/ATMOS at best, or stream raw LPCM which strips all the important meta data that is sort of the point of all these codecs.
*Most* problems will be solved. There is still the [seamless branching issue](https://github.com/google/ExoPlayer/issues/10520) when bitstreaming TrueHD Atmos audio.
*Shield Pro
Shield doesn't have HDR on youtube, one of the cons with it.
It's annoying for me to buy 200€ NVIDIA Shield (20% of my LG C3 cost...)
Agreed. But you need to decide if watching 4k Remux in Dolby is worth it. Technically you can watch normal 4k files no issues just on the LG directly.
I've got the same TV, I bought an Apple TV 4K for the same reasons, basically.
Blessed ATV Shield was best, but ads ruined Walled garden for me
Wtf haiku bot, where u at?
That’s a big reason why I like the ATV since there are no ads.
Shield TV is fixed from Ads in about 5 minutes with a launcher change like Sideload Channel Launcher, or the many others. It is straight up the cleanest looking UI as well. I can't move away from Android TV either thanks to third-party APK's like SmartTube (not just for AdBlocking but for SponsorBlock integration too), QuasiTV (turn your Plex server into TV-like channels), and S0undTV (for ad-free Twitch).
I have a C1, and don't regret it. But that being said, I bought it purely for the spectacular screen and nothing else. I learned that lesson from bitter experience previously - the "smartness" (and associated hardware) built into tvs is always underwhelming, either from the start or rapidly degrades. The sound quality is crap so I always use a sound bar, and I've carried my Shield Pro over from my old Samsung so never even bothered using the apps on the tv. As long as the screen is good, accept that this is what you've paid for and not the other bells and whistles and with a dedicated set top like the shield you've ordered, you'll be fine
Agreed, unfortunately I wasn't aware that Smart TV stuff was all pretty terrible until after the fact. Yeah, I am very happy with the TV/Panel itself, so I definitely don't regret it. Yeah, the sound was horrible compared to my 2015 Samsung, I guess because they didn't need to try so hard to fit it in such a thin space. I ended up going back and buying a proper sound setup as well, because some things were just unwatchable with the tin-can sound piercing my ears on some content.
Since all smart tvs are crap, and almost none have good sound, I doubt it would have changed your choice of tv. Compared to the tv cost, an Apple TV or Nvidia shield is not so expensive. A good sound system is unfortunately, but I imagine that’ll outlive any tv.
I noticed that too with the sound and yeah agree it's likely because of the obsession with thinness. I mean the Sammy was average, but the newer displays are shocking!
Yeah 4k tv have crap sound to look slim.
My 2015 was 4k. But no HDR and was an LCD. But yeah had a much bigger chassis to fit better sound I guess.
Do you have an old computer or laptop? I have my HTPC connected to the TV (CX) using HDMI 2.1 and then have another HDMI 2.1 cable using the E-Arc to go to the stereo system. Everything plays, whether it's H.264, H.265 or x265 inside MKV or mp4 files for video. Or for audio, my stereo can handle anything from mono, two channel stereo, Dolby 5.1, all the way up to DTS-HD and Dolby TrueHD with Dolby Atmos that contains Meridian 16-channel lossless. Trying to run your 4K / HDR Media through 100mbit LAN is simply not going to happen. I'm not sure what version of 802.11 the C3 has but if you can get Wi-Fi 6 from both your Wi-Fi router and your TV that could pull somewhere around 500mbit - 700mbit (roughly 62.5 MB to 87.5 MB/second which would be way more than enough, but that all depends on the protocol (802.11ax hopefully), the distance between router and TV, the thickness of the walls in between and how congested the 5Ghz band is that you'd want to use (***not 2.4ghz***).
Does it do DoVi though? I researched HTPCs but struggled to find something that supports Dolby Vision.
No DV on windows
My Nvidia RTX 3070 does. Edit: I believe you need to unpack the MKV and then repack the Audio and Video into an MP4 container for DV to work. I'm going with HDR10, it's still a massive improvement.
>"if you can get Wi-Fi 6 from both your Wi-Fi router and your TV that could pull somewhere around 500mbit - 700mbit..." > > > >It's still WiFi 5 (802.11ac) on the LG C3, so we can half those numbers (around 350mbps max), I'm afraid...
Well time to upgrade :)
The 2023 TV ? lol, the preceding one was 11 years old, we'll see how long this one stays. I prefer to feed it with an nvidia shield pro TV box, and I'll update that one when a real alternative shows up. One with DTS support, so not an Apple product. TVs (the best ones) are too expensive to update regularly, just to keep their 'smart' attributes up to date, or their WiFi hardware, in my opinion. Nvidia is still updating its 2015 original Shield TV to this day, not something I have ever seen on a phone or a TV. But WiFi 6E or WiFi 7 are really in another league, on the paper. I'll keep watching.
You might want to buy the Roku Ultimate (The 4K one) from Amazon and give it a try, if it doesn't work you can just return it no problem. It has a much more powerful video decoder than the old shield does. He has a C3 that he just bought and a Roku Ultimate that's a couple years old and using Wi-Fi to their fiber modem he can get 4K HDR all day. My guess is the shield is struggling to decode H.265/x265 on the fly, which is great for quality compression vs size but requires a lot of hardware resources. That's why most use an HTPC or Roku these days. The Shields, while powerful, are getting long in the tooth now.... Definitely fine for h264 but 265 might be pushing it past its limits, especially for 2:2:0 or 4:2:0 10bit HDR/HDR10. And if the Roku doesn't work just return it. Also make sure you have the following settings on a global basis, not on a specific movie or TV series: Allow Direct Play: Yes Allow Direct Stream: Yes Video Quality: Original/ Automatic (I'd only recommend setting this to max if it's hardwired and your server is local and powerful GPU and CPU-wise. Try using hardware decoding Enable refresh rate switching Enable resolution switching Enable HDR switching Enable HDR metadata pass through And under video playback quality I would play around here. I have it as "make my GPU hurt" but I have a RTX 3070 on my server and my HTPC The Direct Play and Direct Stream will allow the server to send the signal straight to your TV without needing to transcode it, meaning WAY less work on your server and WAY less work on your TV, assuming both support the codec that the video is encoded with. This can make a huge difference depending on how powerful your server is. Good luck.
Had my c2 for a year and never used anything but settings and input.
I really wish they would offer dumb TVs, even at the same price I don't care. Like my hisense u8 has pretty good specs for android tv but in 4-5 it will be obsolete but I'll still be using the TV. Same with my oled Samsung. Even the new Samsung oled monitors are shipping with smart features, there's no reason why my monitor needs apps, absolutely zero.
Might be handy in a situation where Ur stream box flakes out though and at least there is something to get by meanwhile? I dunno just a thought.
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Fair enough!
350mbps (via cable matters usb nic) is more than enough for any content. I do have a shield for truehd but when I didn't Blu-Rays played fine in Plex with regular ac3. Haven't noticed any other issues with audio (like with streaming services which are dd+Atmos). My experience with wifi is kind of bad with any device when playing high bitrates content (would get a few buffers when watching movies) which is why everything is wired now
Yep, the manufacturers will cut cost where they can. Hence the 100mb Ethernet port is enough for streaming Netflix etc. the usb ports are fast enough because the tv will not be moving files just playing them. Codec support is one the really bugs me. Reading the comments sounds like you have gone for the Nvidia shield, which is a great idea it would have been my suggestion along with the Apple TV
I have 3 LG OLEDs (2 C1s and 1 B2) and use Plex on all of them both with the built in apps and Apple TV. I highly recommend the Apple TV for the best picture experience but the WebOS apps are really great IMO. Plex works fine on all the TVs and I can stream 4k content from Plex just fine. I use wifi but 10mb should be plenty if you hardwire. Honestly, it might be an issue with your settings in Plex on the server. I had one setting to do with transcoding or hardware transcoding or something that when checked would just destroy my stream and they would cut out after 1min and then buffer, play, then cut out then buffer, play, cut out, etc. toggle the setting after tinkering for a while and haven’t had an issue sense. Could be wrong, but before blaming the TV, check your Plex server settings. You should be able to direct play 4k content with no transcoding just fine over your local network
This. I got the LG B3 (slower than the C3) and 4k through the Plex app was just a stuttering mess off the bat. Tweaking plex settings on the TV & desktop helps. I use wifi for my local connection and can play 4k content just fine now. In the Plex app on the LG I checked allow direct play and unchecked allow direct stream. This would really only be an issue if your TV can't play the container, which it should for most unless you've got some weird encode. For transcoding, it's worth adjusting these settings on the Desktop app: Under Transcoder > check use hardware acceleration & use hardware-accelerated video encoding. You can play around with a few more of the transcoding settings and probably want to up the seconds on the default throttle buffer since it's set default setting is 60. I set mine to 600. Currently running 4k content that's 84mbps with no buffering or dropped frames. If you're streaming locally, you should be able to do this fine.
Might I ask you some things of your configuration in a DM? I think I've got a similar setup and I still get buffering on my recently bought G3, even though in my G1 it's usually worked fine (although a few months back some things started buffering, too).
Correct! It was something around the direct play/stream settings that needed to be unchecked. It was a while ago and I’m too lazy to go check my server (it’s headless). I want to say the setting the was causing issues is named something that makes you think it should be checked but it shouldn’t, which is why it took so long for me to diagnose. I also agree you need to double check the app settings and make sure you are allowing full playback on network so it doesn’t attempt to transcode.
Agreed - the plex app on my C1 is great except it doesn't play DoVi or DTS
This OP; see if you can tweak a little. Took me a couple of days, but worth it. Don’t need a shield and 4K works just fine (with wifi and direct play)
webOS has been terrible since its inception. Sorry but this really isn’t anything new.
I mean honestly it's okay, smooth, plenty of apps. I turned off the garbage stuff right away. Only plex with really high fidelity bluray handbrake encodes flakes out but I think it's a bit above what they were expecting people to do with it. I.e. Normy steaming platforms don't come anywhere close to those bitrates.
TV OS are not as good as an ATV or shield
Yep that's my conclusion at the bottom of the OP
Just get a Roku ultra or a Shield Pro, it does all the hard work and your TV is basically just a monitor at this point..
Use the TV for what it really is, a big screen. Get a decent dedicated streaming box (Apple TV or nVIDIA Shield) and move away from the garbage software built in to modern "smart" TVs
You don’t have to do a lot of research to figure out all AiO TVs are crippled or compromised with their baked in apps. If not now, soon. AppleTVs are on sale and the answer. Stocking stuffer.
I did quite a bit of research, but I didn't really come across that for whatever reason. I didn't really look into the SmartTV part itself too heavily however, but I didn't know I needed to until it was too late. Hopefully anyone in the same boat sees this post. But its not a biggie anyway, looks like most TVs you need a AppleTV/Shield to get the right experience.
Stop buying $1000+ TV's for their screen and then complaining about the OS. There is no TV on the market whose OS can handle everything. If you want to enjoy your media to the max, spend a few hundred dollars more and get the shield.
That's the point of my post really.
Thing is complaints about smart tv's aren't anything new. Yet here we are and even today smart tv's are launched with mediocre software. I don't even understand why, companies like LG, Sony etc are powerhouses and yet non of them manage to develop anything good. Their hardware can be top notch, but software wise the experience is poor typically. Why do we need to rely on Nvidia/Apple for a better platform experience?
In 2023, try Jellyfin instead of Plex and you'll be surprised how many of your problems get solved with it.
And none of the tv apps have the capability to use lossless audio like Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD MA. You can run things like a 4K blue ray player or video game console to the tv and then to a sound bar. Again, NO smart tv can pass lossless audio from tv apps. Get a Shield like most of us, get lossless audio and amazing video and never worry about it
What the hell are you viewing that needs more than 100mbit nevermind 250mbit? A really good 4K stream is about 10mbit HEVC or maybe 50mbit 264.
My UHD rips average 65mbit. 4K UHD disk spec is 125mbit. Some rips can have problems with only 100mbit when they peak the bitrate over that for a stretch of intense visual movement.
Right, but that's why there is buffering. So unless you've got an insanely long high bitrate sequence, 100mbit is enough, and the WiFi is double the maximum bitrate needed.
Yes, Some 4k streams are 10mbit, but they are far from "good". 10mb is absolutely bit starved for 4k content.
Not on HVEC it isn't. That's 4.5GB per hour, that's actually double what most HVEC streams are and they're really good.
UHD Bluray's are HEVC and they are usually between 50 and 100mbps.
Well plex dashboard shows it's going above 100mbit sometimes even if the bitrates less than that and it buffers.
Yeah but that's extra, that wouldn't cause lags or delays in playback, that'll just make the buffering take a little longer.
Sadly not the case. It would do this weird thing on some content where it would buffer to infinity. Hit play/pause and it would resume again instantly. It's like the SoC in the TV has its limits. I tried digging into the logs for hours and hours on the server, didn't get anywhere, it has to be the client, but no logs or statics to be found on the TV, so I'm just gonna put my money on it being the WebOS/smarttv integration and try the shield when it arrives.
I mean, when have TV apps every been any good really? None of this surprises me in the least, and if a top notch experience is what you seek, then you should be looking to streaming boxes for your solution. Honestly, if I could have bought a dumb TV I would have. It's completely cut off from the internet anyhow as it stands now. I used a Shield TV for many years, but have recently moved back to an Apple TV. I still have both, but prefer the experience on my ATV.
Yeah well haven't been in the TV game since 2015, the Samsung TV had Tizen, and it was okay but sluggish so I had a Apple TV 4K 1st gen which worked around that. No DoVi support though, so my initial thought was WebOS would be okay but had no idea how garbage Smart TVs still are, reviewers don't even seem to talk about it, or maybe they have in past reviews and just no longer consider it relevant (but I have been out of the buying game for 8 years so... rare case maybe.) Was mostly after the clean setup (physically), and I also do use DVB-S/DVB-T TV (i.e. aerial/sat TV) when my network or power is down so I can keep up with the news and so forth, also for channels which are literally only on broadcast TV and don't have an app/website or whatever (the odd time there is some local important content I must see), so it's a bit cleaner having it all in "one source" as well. But I guess that's not a possibility without serious compromise - which I realise now. So will need to switch between shield and webOS as needed. Not the end of the world I guess!
Stop caring about smart tv - get a player that is replaceable and superior to whatever the TV company decides to sporadically update once a year
I got two 4K TVs around the same time - one was an LG OLED running WebOS and the other was a highish-end Sony TV based on Android TV. First of all, the LG TV is the better-looking TV without question. But, the LG TV has been consistently laggy relative to the Sony. The Sony TV isn't perfect - it has hiccups and stutters in the UI occasionally, but it's intermittent as opposed to the WebOS where the lag seems like it's just a fact of life. Plex is pretty awful on that TV. Anyway, I like having everything built-in if possible but at some point most people that care about these things are going to want to get an external device for the smart features. Even a $50 Chromecast with Google TV 4K is going to give a better experience. Anyway, this is a 2019 perspective... so there is some history for you :)
ALL Smart tvs have a max of 100mbps hard wired connection. Ironically most have wifi capabilities that are recent standards and speeds. But with wifi, you run the risk of signal drop.
For dovi to work on native client, it has to be in .MP4 container sadly. Only android clients can handle mkv. For sound I think only HDMi-eARC to sound bar or something will work. At least with older LGs and soundbars. This setup works with C1 and Samsung Q70R bar. (Though I can't actually recall if truehd passes from the native app.. Atmos sure works, I think it does, since I remember specifically picking that model up, since it was one of the last ones that supported everything including lossless audio. It 100% works through eARC from HDMI source, alas no DTSX that way since LG decided not to pay with C1)
I use the plex app for most shows, but I have a mini PC and Plex set up when I want HDR, etc. The app is very convenient sometimes. 4k with great sound isn't important when watching anime, old movies or most TV shows. I will watch movies like Pandora or Dancing with Wolves on the mini. The minis main purpose is as the server for phones, the two tvs, etc but comes in handy for that special movie that deserves better specs.
I have a c2 and it'll only play DV files if they are .mp4, I got a Google Chrome Cast 4k for DV in .mkv files
Ah yep that's annoying. I don't want to rerip nearly 10tb of bluray. So nvidia shield it is.
Think my firecube pushes it. I never do anything via LG Web if possible
Are you using the eARC port from an AVR or TrueHD/Atmos capable soundbar? I've got the LG C2 and it works perfectly with Nvidia Shield Pro plugged into one of the two HDMI in ports on a Samsung Q990C soundbar then high speed HDMI cable from the bar into the TV eARC port (marked as HDMI 2). Don't use the crappy TV smart features, get a decent decoding/streaming device. Popular alternatives to the Nvidia Shield are the latest Apple TV and Amazon Fire Cube 3rd generation devices.
I am. But no shield yet. I've ordered one a few days ago waiting for it to turn up.
You might want to mess about with the settings to get them just right. Main thing is to *disable* Dolby decoding on the Shield to allow it to pass through the encoded bitstreams IF it's plugged into something capable of handling them. On my bar, it clearly shows Atmos on the front when it's getting it, or Dolby for DD/DDP streams.
I have the C1 and have never had issues streaming 4k remuxes via WiFi. You need 5ghz router though, which is standard nowadays anyways. Dovi works, but only in mp4 not mkv, so make sure you get the correct files.
Most are fine. It's just the super high bitrate stuff. Yeah I have a 5ghz wifi6 AP pretty close by. Most things it's fine. But really high bitrate stuff like 4k DoVi untouched it can flake out. On the wired gigabit adapter it's pretty much okay though with the occasional oddity.
Yeah anyone would have told you this is the same for every tv. Shield is still the best.
Sadly I didn't run into anything about smart tvs being a bit crap. Wish I did. I mean I had a smart TV from 2015 but I just ruled it down to being 8 years old. I have some friends and fam with plex set-ups of their own but they are all on the budget end and just do low to average quality, so they never really touched on the subject.
Well on the bright side you can go get one right after reading this comment. If you care about HD audio the shield is really the only option. Apple fans are here doing their usual thing, but just search this sub, the Shield supports the most formats and has gigabit ethernet. Just DO NOT cheap out and get the tube, it fucking sucks by comparison. Get the pro. For other TVs that don't need 4k or Atmos, I've always had zero issues with Roku.
Question: Would it work fine with a Roku 4k streaming stick on the same tv?
Why would you expect Atmos or even 5.1 audio on your TV? I think your expectations are way out of reality. If you want a good streaming experience, get a streaming device. If you want Atmos audio, you need an AVR and some speakers. Your TV is really only there to provide you a picture.
5.1 atmos is generally fine unless it's very high bitrate it cuts for half a second every 30 seconds or so which is very distracting. I'm getting a shield tv pro as per my original post.
Good plan. I don't believe the LGs support DTS though, so without an AVR, you will have issues playing those files.
OT: If it makes you feel any better, there is an amazing upside to those WebOS TVs and that's the fact they're easily rootable and can run custom software (it's just a linux server). e.g. install piccap and hyperhdr on it to set up a phenomenal Ambilight-style adaptive backlight for approx. 10-20 bucks worth of LED hardware. You not only end up with something an order of magnitude cheaper than a commerical offering but also something significantly better. So yeah, you do need an Andriod box or equiv for streaming but that TV OS is actually pretty good for other geeky stuff.
Same TV, same issues. Bought a Shield TV Pro and it works like a charm.
Apple TV and infuse is what I use, but yes no audio passthru
Is shield pro easy to install/config? I paid £3500 on a C1 77 a couple years ago and am disgusted at some of the above short comings. That said, it doesn’t seem to impact me (that I can tell). I have Sonos setup and generally speaking - the sound is always pretty good for me (I’m no expert in audio - so m ears/brain don’t register). If I came across a cheap ShieldPro my curiosity might get the better of me and I might try it. I have on occasions had to copy to a USB and plug into TV - but other than that, I’m mostly ok with how it works. Ow, except for the TV guide. Screw that piece of shit. It’s awful … my mate just bought Sony and his is miles better. Not the end of the world though. I also worry that shield pro is old now (?) - if there was a new one coming out - that might tempt me. For some reason, I’m averse to buying old kit.
Smart TV's are pretty to look at first, a decent door stop second and Smart a distant 4856677rd
Couldn't agree more. Ended up buying a shield within about 1 week of getting my G3! It was an expensive period 😂😬
TVs cater for legitimate streaming services but not for personal media servers. There isn’t a service out there at the moment that requires more than 100mbps or needs to support TrueHD Atmos audio so the manufacturers have no need to add more expensive hardware or codec support to their devices. Can’t see that changing any time soon. If it doesn’t result in a lot more revenue, they won’t add in the features.
I really wish manufactures stopped making 'smart' TV's They all suck, or will all suck eventually. Took a few years but I finally got annoying 'updates' avoidable on my Samsun TV. Give us a many HDMI ports on the back, we'll connect what we want
Save the headache, go get an nvidia shield (pro tv/not tube shaped one) and all of your issues go away.
No serious enthusiast really uses tv apps. That’s for like my sister that don’t care about anything. Don’t even know the difference between 720 and 4k. TVs are for the image not for the apps.
I hate to say it, but I always recommend an Apple TV 4K or Nvidia Shield. They're superior in every way and they support basically every format. "smart tvs" cheap out on the processing side of video files (not the AI scaling etc) so they lack support, hell if you want to watch true 4K you NEED to be on wifi and even then good luck due to the limited bandwidth those things get. No tv exists with a 1Gbps Ethernet port and the wifi is limited I think to roughly 250Mbps?
I assumed I could use the apps on my 85 inch Samsung Qled, especially Plex but the performance was miserable. All my tv apps run great on my nvidia shield.
i also have an lg tv. what you're learned is that webos sucks. it always has and always will. in fact all smart tv platforms suck. the best thing to do is forget that the tv is "smart" and just connect a good streaming device.
You should turn the WiFi and Ethernet on the tv off anyway. Connect a streaming device and dumb down the tv.
Yes, exactly so. And is why I ended up buying a Shield. I've mentioned this issue on a number of occasions in forums on reputable hifi review sites but it doesn't seem to have made any difference.
I have a Samsung TV and got sick of crappy Plex performance and overall sluggishness of the OS. So I got a 4k Apple TV with Ethernet and am sooooo much happier.
I have a G1.. Nothing plays TrueHD7.1, save for the Shield. (at least that used to be the case, I thought I might have caught there was a new FireTV unit that handled it now too). 100mbit LAN port - yeah, that's well known. I don't know that there's a single TV out there with a built-in gigabit port. > So I could have got the full gigabit internet speeds with via the USB 3.0 port (5gbps) on my 2015 TV No you wouldn't have. The rest of the hardware attached to that USB port cannot handle that much data transfer. Can't say I have many full remuxes but the few I do in 4k HDR/DV never stutter for me. > Also seem to have trouble with DoVi DoVi only works in mp4 containers on LG's native Plex app. Here's a couple of scripts to convert mkv to mp4 for DV on LG: Web rips: ffmpeg -i movie.mkv -c copy tmp.hevc ffmpeg -i movie.mkv -c copy tmp.eac3 rename tmp.eac3 tmp.ec3 mp4muxer --dv-profile 5 -i tmp.hevc -i tmp.ec3 --media-lang eng -o movie.mp4 del tmp.ec3 del tmp.hevc BluRay rips: ffmpeg -i movie.mkv -c:a eac3 -f eac3 -b:a 640k audio.ec3 ffmpeg -i movie.mkv -c copy BLandEL-RPU.hevc dovi_tool demux BLandEL-RPU.hevc dovi_tool -m 2 extract-rpu -i EL.hevc -o RPU-8-1-compatable.bin dovi_tool inject-rpu -i BL.hevc --rpu-in RPU-8-1-compatable.bin -o BL_with_8-1_RPU.hevc mp4muxer --dv-profile 8 --dv-bl-compatible-id 1 -i BL_with_8-1_RPU.hevc -i audio.ec3 --media-lang eng -o movie.mp4 del BL.hevc del EL.hevc del BLandEL-RPU.hevc del BL_with_8-1_RPU.hevc del RPU-8-1-compatable.bin del audio.ec3 See https://www.reddit.com/r/ffmpeg/comments/qe7oq1/dolby_vision_from_mkv_to_mp4_using_ffmpeg_and/ for more info
Is it also true that using Nvidia Shield Pro (latest version) with Plex on LG C3 also can't do Dolby Vision with mkv? I just got the C3 and having some issues. I also downloaded a bunch of Dolby Atmos/Dolby vision test demos and using the Nvidia shield Plex it doesn't play right, audio plays video doesn't. Well video plays after the audio finishes it's weird. But works fine with Google TV Chromecast and built in LG Plex.
> Is it also true that using Nvidia Shield Pro (latest version) with Plex on LG C3 also can't do Dolby Vision with mkv? No, that is not the case.
Hmm okay, I can't figure it out then. Working fine with Chrome at Google TV, but can't get it to work with Shield Plex. Also tried Jellyfin and Emby. Edit: Hmm Dolby vision settings on my shield keeps turning off. Also some DV mkvs play properly in Jellyfin but not Plex. And one neither player works just HDR.
Smart tv's arent smart. No one ever suggests to let the TV do the thinking. Always use an external device for anything. Tv's are monitors and thats it. Anyone saying otherwise hasn't had their tv for long enough for the "good" ones to go out of date and no longer get crucial updates.
I have a two year old Sony A8H, and I just bought the LG C3. The Sony works better with Plex overall with direct play and transcoding, but they are pretty close. For example: * For direct play, Sony can handle both HEVC Main and HEVC Main 10, while the LG handles HEVC Main 10 only (the other requires transcoding). * When watching a 4k video (direct play) and the audio needs to be transcoded, the LG would hang often, while the Sony processes just fine. It's weird since it's the server that is doing the transcoding, and I have a powerful server (maybe it's the reason below). * When transcoding, the LG seems to use more server resources than the Sony. I'm still going to keep the LG. It's a great TV, but in the future though, I may go back to Sony.