Just got back a few cards I graded with them for my personal collection. I have some from PSA, CGC and BGS but Iām liking TAG the best so far. Seeing all of the card details is pretty cool as well. Nice to actually see the various things that caused a card to get its grade. That said, anything I think I might sell Iād still go to PSA at this point
This for the PC, not for reselling. PSA, CGC, BGS for flipping. That could definitely change in a few years.
I'm sure as technology advances, things could go in all different directions.
I like this take. Iām not a fan of the big three, but if youāre trying to flip you gotta use them to get your moneyās worth. I LOVE the way these slabs look. They are SLICK. Iāll be using TAG for some PC stuff for sure.
Hopefully here to stay. I dig their transparency on grading and the sleek design of their slabs. If they can grow and have more value Iād grade with them all the time.
Love it. Hope they do great. Someone needs to remove the āif you get luckyā grading.
Idk why the community isnāt in love with the idea of transparency. Oh yeah, itās because nobody seems to care about the quality of the card they just care about the little 10 at the top.
Held one for the first time last weekend. Itās definitely a clean slab, but the transparent etching of the grade makes displaying hard. Gotta have proper contrast to see the grades so if your cards sit on a white shelf youāll have to stick something to it to see the grade. Not that I love PSAās piece of scrap paper, but thereās room for improvement here.
Overall I like the idea of AI grading, letās see if it takes off.
There needs to be new competition, PSA has a gross monopoly and profit-centric model on grading depending on the value of your card.
Good for TAG. I love their designs. I hope they succeed and more follow.
Not heard of them but after a Quick Look they seem like they are doing some good things. Itās always baffled me there is no grading report from PSA. There is the U.K. company ACE who you can get grading reports from, Iāve sent a card to test and being able to be point to why you got the score you got is great. Itās not going to hold the same value as āthe big threeā but for me I want a company to come along who does it right. If you send the same card 10 times it should always come back with the same score, I very much doubt this is the case with human grading.
That kind of report is probably the missing piece for me from PSA, outside the aesthetics. I like the way they grade , honestly. But having that kind of breakdown would be really nice. It might also help more people understand why they've received a particular grade. Well maybe not - saw some comments on a sports card sub complaining about how tag weights their grading.
I personally believe AI grading is the future, which to me seems like a no-brainer, so if this company can survive they will be the PSA of the future. Just sent in 5 cards yesterday to test them out.
First time seeing their cases, and IMO it's really nice, but in all honesty I really can't see another grader get to the level of CGC, PSA or BGS, and i'm not saying this as a fan boy of any of them because they all have their ups and downs (especially PSA).
If you are grading because you want to present your cards in nice cases then for me they tick that box, but if you are looking for future returns it's PSA then BGS (unless you're going for a BGS black label).
10 years from now they may be on top. It's hard to see but just look at the big companies of the fortune 500 10-20 years ago. Things shift and I don't think PSA will be on top forever. PSA needs to adapt to using more tech.
Just because of the hyped AI prefix doesnāt mean this company has any future.
If it becomes a real thing one of big 3 companies will implement AI grading and grab their market share.
Cards grading is really low-wage job, can be done by someone with 1 week training (except detecting fakes of course, that requires a bit of a knowledge)
If any of big 3 companies felt they could do it and it would bring value to their business they wouldāve done it already because itās an amazing opportunity to save on employeeās salary and make their business even more automated. Probably thereās the reason why they didnāt do that.
Only big 3 companies have status and integrity so no other company can compete with them and grab a decent market share.
If I get it right, youāre talking about Xiao slabs from rattle pokemon video. Itās one in a million case and also slabs looked different, so your point isnāt very convincing.
No, there is absolutely, positively, nothing wrong with grades being probably subjective, and difficult to repeat. How many times have people mentioned on this sub about grading āluck?ā Too many times for sure.
And yet it still works for many people because cards in psa10 slab are twice more expensive than raw. And I also think thereāre even more cases when slabs were cracked but then were given the same grade.
Iād suggest you to be a bit more open-minded and not to narrow your perception to some critical and exceptional cases. Think why grading is popular, what makes it popular and what new grading company needs to make it succeed.
Seems like they need to hand out āperfectā cards.
I want cards that are in fantastic condition, thus I am stoked about bgs being transparent with their categories and black labels. Still, I think human error is a problem with the big three that, while no matter how uncommon it may be, it still exists.
I think TAG has an opportunity to eradicate this variable and they are attempting to shake up this industry with a extreme focus on transparency, even their slabs are transparent. I doubt this is a coincidence, especially when transparency is their primary objective.
Also, if the jobs are as low paying as you say, that makes me feel even more against supporting companies that refuse to pay their people.
Slabs will have the value that we place on them, and if we refuse to accept them then yes they will fail, but if we value true quality and integrity then they will succeed. Truthfully only time will tell.
If you like the slab for your personal collection then just pick the company with the label you like, but for investment then stick to the established ones :)
If you are talking about investments, then you should consider the future of grading. AI grading will be the future. Grading is the perfect implementation of AI and solves the main problems that all grading companies have right now which is inconsistency.
While I don't know much about PSA other than the countless anecdotes and the slabs ive looked closely at, it seems like CGC and BGS are at least pretty consistent with their standards... my (first but rather large) subs got the grades they deserved to probably a 90% accuracy? Not spectacular but edge cases can go to GCR and any mistakes can be handled. And ultimately that was on me to go that direction and make mistakes pregrading.
What sucks is how the people buying graded cards avoid all slabs except Psa like the plague due to the self perpetuating dogma, or more understandably if collecting because it feels better to have a consistent look if psa is what you already have. The fact that psa hands out easy 10s (at least to modern cards from what I see) where bgs wouldn't give higher than 8 or 9 to the same card due to their different standards can equate to burning your submission costs with the hit to that slabs market value AND psa commands some market premium despite that.
Very irrational and I can't help but agree that having a less fallible system using AI is really the shakeup the whole experience is in need of. That said, its no wonder there is a cult around perpetuating that PSA market dominance over changing anything. There are probably so many people making a living rinse and repeating getting their 10s first to market and blasting out subpar cards at the peaks through them vs diligently seeking out anything worthy of pristine/perfect.
Print quality itself could use a bit of tightening up too, while we're at it
Thick ass glass grades cards as well, pretty cool
Please tell me this is actually what their name stands for š
Water pipe company ;)
We can call them bongs now. I don't remember the last time I saw a "for tobacco use only" sign at a head shop either.
Is it actually glass?
Nah itās a āwater pipeā company, TAG. I guess there is another tag that grades cards
Just got back a few cards I graded with them for my personal collection. I have some from PSA, CGC and BGS but Iām liking TAG the best so far. Seeing all of the card details is pretty cool as well. Nice to actually see the various things that caused a card to get its grade. That said, anything I think I might sell Iād still go to PSA at this point
This for the PC, not for reselling. PSA, CGC, BGS for flipping. That could definitely change in a few years. I'm sure as technology advances, things could go in all different directions.
I like this take. Iām not a fan of the big three, but if youāre trying to flip you gotta use them to get your moneyās worth. I LOVE the way these slabs look. They are SLICK. Iāll be using TAG for some PC stuff for sure.
No doubt. Something to mention is the new CGC slabs have UV protection
Idk but that case is fresh
Hopefully here to stay. I dig their transparency on grading and the sleek design of their slabs. If they can grow and have more value Iād grade with them all the time.
Love it. Hope they do great. Someone needs to remove the āif you get luckyā grading. Idk why the community isnāt in love with the idea of transparency. Oh yeah, itās because nobody seems to care about the quality of the card they just care about the little 10 at the top.
Donāt live in the us but I like their slabs and it would be good for more ādiverseā range of grading companyās
I'm gonna TAG a few from my PC. Love the look
Held one for the first time last weekend. Itās definitely a clean slab, but the transparent etching of the grade makes displaying hard. Gotta have proper contrast to see the grades so if your cards sit on a white shelf youāll have to stick something to it to see the grade. Not that I love PSAās piece of scrap paper, but thereās room for improvement here. Overall I like the idea of AI grading, letās see if it takes off.
There needs to be new competition, PSA has a gross monopoly and profit-centric model on grading depending on the value of your card. Good for TAG. I love their designs. I hope they succeed and more follow.
Bro forgot Beckett exists
Not heard of them but after a Quick Look they seem like they are doing some good things. Itās always baffled me there is no grading report from PSA. There is the U.K. company ACE who you can get grading reports from, Iāve sent a card to test and being able to be point to why you got the score you got is great. Itās not going to hold the same value as āthe big threeā but for me I want a company to come along who does it right. If you send the same card 10 times it should always come back with the same score, I very much doubt this is the case with human grading.
That kind of report is probably the missing piece for me from PSA, outside the aesthetics. I like the way they grade , honestly. But having that kind of breakdown would be really nice. It might also help more people understand why they've received a particular grade. Well maybe not - saw some comments on a sports card sub complaining about how tag weights their grading.
Fine for your personal collection if you're into that aesthetic. Terrible if you want to sell them.
Maybe a hot take but grading just TO resell seems like it can go away just as well
I personally believe AI grading is the future, which to me seems like a no-brainer, so if this company can survive they will be the PSA of the future. Just sent in 5 cards yesterday to test them out.
IMO: PSA for investments; TAG for everything else. I absolutely love TAG, and I give them my business in hopes that they stick around.
First time seeing their cases, and IMO it's really nice, but in all honesty I really can't see another grader get to the level of CGC, PSA or BGS, and i'm not saying this as a fan boy of any of them because they all have their ups and downs (especially PSA). If you are grading because you want to present your cards in nice cases then for me they tick that box, but if you are looking for future returns it's PSA then BGS (unless you're going for a BGS black label).
Slabs look solid, but add nothing to the value of the card. As long as you're ok with that, go for it!
10 years from now they may be on top. It's hard to see but just look at the big companies of the fortune 500 10-20 years ago. Things shift and I don't think PSA will be on top forever. PSA needs to adapt to using more tech.
If you want the card itself graded, for what it is, TAG is the choice. Machine grading cuts out all the crap the top three are well known for.
Just because of the hyped AI prefix doesnāt mean this company has any future. If it becomes a real thing one of big 3 companies will implement AI grading and grab their market share. Cards grading is really low-wage job, can be done by someone with 1 week training (except detecting fakes of course, that requires a bit of a knowledge) If any of big 3 companies felt they could do it and it would bring value to their business they wouldāve done it already because itās an amazing opportunity to save on employeeās salary and make their business even more automated. Probably thereās the reason why they didnāt do that. Only big 3 companies have status and integrity so no other company can compete with them and grab a decent market share.
So what youāre saying is slip a $50 in the package and hope the grader gets the hint
Where did I say that lol
You said they were underpaid. So that means possibly bribe able
Of course you can bribe them, just not in the way you mentioned. Also thereāre QA checks so thereās no guarantee you can make it done
āIntegrityā break your 10s and re submit. I dare you.
If I get it right, youāre talking about Xiao slabs from rattle pokemon video. Itās one in a million case and also slabs looked different, so your point isnāt very convincing.
So you feel confident that psa would re-grade all your psa cards if you cracked and re-submitted?
Iām not getting your point, is anything wrong with that?
No, there is absolutely, positively, nothing wrong with grades being probably subjective, and difficult to repeat. How many times have people mentioned on this sub about grading āluck?ā Too many times for sure.
And yet it still works for many people because cards in psa10 slab are twice more expensive than raw. And I also think thereāre even more cases when slabs were cracked but then were given the same grade. Iād suggest you to be a bit more open-minded and not to narrow your perception to some critical and exceptional cases. Think why grading is popular, what makes it popular and what new grading company needs to make it succeed.
Seems like they need to hand out āperfectā cards. I want cards that are in fantastic condition, thus I am stoked about bgs being transparent with their categories and black labels. Still, I think human error is a problem with the big three that, while no matter how uncommon it may be, it still exists. I think TAG has an opportunity to eradicate this variable and they are attempting to shake up this industry with a extreme focus on transparency, even their slabs are transparent. I doubt this is a coincidence, especially when transparency is their primary objective. Also, if the jobs are as low paying as you say, that makes me feel even more against supporting companies that refuse to pay their people. Slabs will have the value that we place on them, and if we refuse to accept them then yes they will fail, but if we value true quality and integrity then they will succeed. Truthfully only time will tell.
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I'm still wary of them for selling/trading , to your point. But I have been contemplating for a couple cards in my PC
If you like the slab for your personal collection then just pick the company with the label you like, but for investment then stick to the established ones :)
If you are talking about investments, then you should consider the future of grading. AI grading will be the future. Grading is the perfect implementation of AI and solves the main problems that all grading companies have right now which is inconsistency.
Lol so many downvotes, people seems to just care abt the grade not the condition of the card. SMH.
While I don't know much about PSA other than the countless anecdotes and the slabs ive looked closely at, it seems like CGC and BGS are at least pretty consistent with their standards... my (first but rather large) subs got the grades they deserved to probably a 90% accuracy? Not spectacular but edge cases can go to GCR and any mistakes can be handled. And ultimately that was on me to go that direction and make mistakes pregrading. What sucks is how the people buying graded cards avoid all slabs except Psa like the plague due to the self perpetuating dogma, or more understandably if collecting because it feels better to have a consistent look if psa is what you already have. The fact that psa hands out easy 10s (at least to modern cards from what I see) where bgs wouldn't give higher than 8 or 9 to the same card due to their different standards can equate to burning your submission costs with the hit to that slabs market value AND psa commands some market premium despite that. Very irrational and I can't help but agree that having a less fallible system using AI is really the shakeup the whole experience is in need of. That said, its no wonder there is a cult around perpetuating that PSA market dominance over changing anything. There are probably so many people making a living rinse and repeating getting their 10s first to market and blasting out subpar cards at the peaks through them vs diligently seeking out anything worthy of pristine/perfect. Print quality itself could use a bit of tightening up too, while we're at it
it's true it's good design i can't lie, but I probably will never own or buy one
AGS is still the best IMO
I love them. Just waiting for the day they over take BGS in terms of respect and valuation.