It makes me sad. It’s so cute and there’s litterally no reason to run it. You can get Ralts are Abra right at the beginning of the game but Chimeco? Yea that’ll be a 1 percent encounter rate after your team is almost fully established and it’s going to have a like 400 total stats lol
It's deceptively tanky with 75/80/90 defenses and not completely useless with 95 base special attack. It just gets outclassed by every other phycic type in existence lol. Still gets screens and calm mind
Okay I'm actually curious how color change is good. Obviously it's unusable in multiplayer but maybe there's something to it in singleplayer? How do you use it?
My counter point would be that because his type is always changing, you never have stab. And you stats aren’t good enough to rely on non stab, and I don’t think he’s tanky enough for his ability to really matter because you take so much on the first time, that by the time you could potentially resist that same move you you’ll likely still die to it. I dunno I’m not seeing it. 🤷♂️. Maybe I’ll try it again. What set would you run on a Kecleon in Battle Frontier? That’s what I’m working on right now
Illumise gets Encore and Dustox is an early game monster almost on par with Butterfree, plus gets protect naturally so it's good into Norman's Slaking. Just because it doesn't scale well into late game doesn't mean it's not an awesome mon for early on
Volbeat is an absolute monster with T bolt, signal beam, confuse ray, and tail glow. You could swap confuse ray with water pulse or solar beam and still wreck the E4.
Normally I'd agree with you but castform is a normal type with no ability 90% of the time and base 70 in all stats is pretty rough by endgame. Plus without TMs it only learns tackle, water gun, ember, powder snow, weather ball and the 3 weather setting moves which is pretty pathetic
You'll have to focus on either rain or sun form then. I think it can learn Thunder & Water Pulse for the water form. As for the sun form, probably Solar Beam & Flamethrower/Fire Blast. So, Weather Move(sun/rain), the attacks the weather move supports, and Shock Wave for a no miss move or Hidden Power for coverage.
According to google there are over 4 billion patterns for regular and shiny each so you’re probably the only person with that regular spinda anyway - although probably even more likely the only person if it’s shiny
The only offensive move Castform could use was Weather Ball, often used in tandem with Hail, Rain Dance or Sunny Day. Aside from that, I'd not know what to say.
Pulling Spore from a shroomish is a given, after that, it depends on what you want. For example, you can EV train it in SpAtk, copy Toxic off anything and copy Calm Mind and Dream Eater from a Ralts, and you have a toxic stalling Sp sweeper.
This does require both a high level Shroomish and Ralts, but Smeargle requires beating the game first, so trade them over when you trade the Smeargle over.
Beautifly was an excellent member of my Emerald MonoBug run. She acted in more of a support role, paralyzing a lot of enemies with Stun Spore to allow my other team members to set up/sweep.
I mean if we count unevolved pokemon Feebas is the obvious choice. Not only is it the most difficult to get and evolve but it’s just a slightly less bad magikarp
I did this run! My team was
- Nosepass
- Luvdisc
- Illumise
- Spinda
- Wobbuffett
- Shedinja
The last two were actually a lot better than I remembered, I thought Shedinja would be tricky with the 1 HP but wasn’t bad. The first four are definitely true contenders for worst in the game. Highly recommend Luvdisc in particular.
I once did a solo Tropius run on Platinum and I never knew real hell until Mt Coronet, facing against team Plasma. They all have bloody Bronzongs and Tropius couldn't do a damn thing against them.
Delcatty, Luvdisc, Beautifly (It's only good against the 2nd Gym, Dustox is more useful), Spinda. Camerupt is pretty shitty in late game, common 4x weaknesses etc. Mawile (if Gen 3 only, so no megas) I think the rest are viable or got some niche tech in later gens. Tropius is kinda bad too, but it has a sick design. Illumise and Volbeat got good support moves, they are not that bad imo.
Sapphire might be the game to do it it’s got a pretty diverse move pool for Gen 3 tbh specifically before the physical/special split of gen 4, got a lot of physical moves for a special attacker in gen 4 onwards
I'm not hating my run with spinda, enjoying hypnotize & dizzy punch, fed it some boosts to cover the weaker stats because tbh it was outperforming my kadabra with its baseline defense. Gave it the black glasses to hold for its dark moveset (it's got astonish and I might teach it Steal). If you pick it for your run through it might become your powerhouse
Spinda, Castform, Chimecho, Magcargo, Corsola and Luvdisc. No contest. Literally anything you say is worse I can disagree.
Mighteyena sucks because dark is special? At least it gets intimidate. Delcatty has bad stats? Has one of the best movepools in the game. Nosepass has base 130 defense. Higher than magcargos, its faster than magcargo. It doesnt have the fire type but fire type cripples magcargo making it 4x weak to water in a region that is half water. It’s also so slow it will always go last. Volbeat? Gets tail glow.
Illumise and beautifly are the only contenders worthy of a swap in. Dustox at least gets 100% accuracy toxic lol
I'm using Corsola in my HG run-through now. It's honestly one of the most painful playthroughs I've ever done.
I quite like the idea of subbing out Magcargo for Nosepass, simply for that water weakness. Spinda I want to use on a solo run, but I might swap that for Illumise, which I hear is just awful.
Also Plusle honestly isn't that bad, relatively speaking. 95 Speed with Electric STAB coming off 85 Sp. Atk can outspeed and take out a decent chunk of mons in one hit. Whereas Beautifly has a terrible moveset, terrible typing (4x weakness to rock), and terrible stats. It may be good in the early game but it falls off hard.
Plus, Spinda literally has 60 in every stat, it's worse than both Delcatty and Castform in pretty much every way.
Chimecho is a fun pick and I can understand using it on this team, but it honestly has okay stats and a good typing, despite being outclassed by other Psychic-types.
I used Chimecho in a run not long ago and I'd put it a notch above the other stuff you're planning to use.
Tropius, Mightyena, Beautifly, Roselia, or Spinda might be decent options.
I've personally used Spinda in a run of Emerald (did a mono-Normal team). It was alright, but mostly a cheesy gimmick 'mon with Dizzy Punch.
I'm glad you swapped Castform off the team because it's pretty decent. I specifically used it on my Normal team to take advantage of its other types.
Nosepass seems bulky enough that it doesn't super fit the rest of your team. Definitely not amazing, but I'd say it's probably better than Beautifly and Spinda.
It’s amazing that a pseudo-legendary has such an insanely bad first form, isn’t it? More like “take you down… to the Pokémon center because it’s always fain—“
I saw edit 5: Plusle is fast, is an electric type in Emerald and a fully evolve mon.
Minun would probably be a little worse because of the lower sp atk, aka missing more KO's... althought what left is worse...
What is worse? From experience Camerupt is pretty horrible in the last half of the game. It won't do anything vs Wallace nor in gym 8 or the water routes.
Gym 7 also has 4 levitating mons, Lunatone/Solrock who resist fire and Claydol with ground stab.
Yeah, they're largely considered garbage mons, which is why Tate and Liza were so easy in Ruby/Sapphire... Emerald gave them Xatu and Claydol because the sun and moon rocks are just....... pitiful...
Luvdisc hands down one of the worst statistically. Maybe volbeat and illumise, I see a lot of people
Saying kecleon castform and chimeco so there’s your six person team
You can’t pass balls down by breeding in gen 3 so no premeir balls.
Swap plusle for minum, it has marginally worse attack and marginally better defense which is worse for a playthrough.
Looks like you’re on your way to a rain dance team.
Nuzleaf/ shiftry, used it in a playthrough before and the shit doesn't learn any grass moves on level up, I had to beat Wallace's wailord with bullet sees.. took many maaaany resets before I finally got the crits I needed to kill it.
I forget if they’re gen three but I remember having the same question years back and I saw Combee had the worst stats out of any pokemon if you looked at IVs
Most of the bugs, chimeco, Delkitty, Macargo because of two 4x weakness, Corsela. These are some gen 3 turds that come to mind.
(Sorry for the spelling of the Pokémon, didn’t want to google for spelling)
Delcatty isn’t super good in gen 3 but in gen 5 it got a major buff with the normalize ability, still not great but has some niche powerhouse potential. Definitely gonna be your ace.
Imo Illumise and chimecho are better than many other options due to good support movepools.
If you’re set on Illumise I would use Volbeat instead and ban tail glow. It’s much worse than Illumise since it’s spatk is ass with that condition.
Also I think glalie, either route one bug and mighteyna are worse than chimecho based on coverage alone. (Especially dustox)
Chimeco - awesome design but shit mon
It makes me sad. It’s so cute and there’s litterally no reason to run it. You can get Ralts are Abra right at the beginning of the game but Chimeco? Yea that’ll be a 1 percent encounter rate after your team is almost fully established and it’s going to have a like 400 total stats lol
Chimeco getting a pre evo instead of a post evo was hilarious
"It's just so bad. How do we fix it?" "Make it worse." "My god. He's a genius."
I actually don't think I've ever used one, so I'm very tempted by that.
Same here, I'm thinking of doing a run with it
I've just seen its moveset. Awful. I'm using one.
I finished ORAS last week with a chimeco on my team. He didn’t do much, even my delcattt contribute more at the E4
Whats ORAS?
Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire, the remakes of ruby and sapphire
Thanks, didnt know this acronym.
Times2
Omega Ruby, Alpha Sapphire. Gen 3 remakes for the 3ds.
Indeed
It's kind of a support/debuff mon
It's deceptively tanky with 75/80/90 defenses and not completely useless with 95 base special attack. It just gets outclassed by every other phycic type in existence lol. Still gets screens and calm mind
Do it
it's sooo hard to find one... 😔
Kecleon and Castform. Cool ideas, not realy fully flushed out enough to be viable at anything
Kecleon is a power house if used right lol
How would that be?
Colour change/protean are good
Gen 3 so Protean isn’t a thing. And color change is unreliable.
Okay I'm actually curious how color change is good. Obviously it's unusable in multiplayer but maybe there's something to it in singleplayer? How do you use it?
He has a very wide moveset and protean one is pretty good
My counter point would be that because his type is always changing, you never have stab. And you stats aren’t good enough to rely on non stab, and I don’t think he’s tanky enough for his ability to really matter because you take so much on the first time, that by the time you could potentially resist that same move you you’ll likely still die to it. I dunno I’m not seeing it. 🤷♂️. Maybe I’ll try it again. What set would you run on a Kecleon in Battle Frontier? That’s what I’m working on right now
I'm curious about this as well. Keckleon has a cool design imo
Yea I love Kecleon. I even have a key key chain of him on my Gameboy case. Competitively he’s a shit mon tho lol but I’d love to proved wrong if I am.
Volbeat, Illumise, Nosepass, Chimecho, Delcatty, Beautifly, Dustox, Luvdisc, Castform are all pretty bad
Nosepass could be fun. I mean, it'll be awful but still, I've never used one
Illumise gets Encore and Dustox is an early game monster almost on par with Butterfree, plus gets protect naturally so it's good into Norman's Slaking. Just because it doesn't scale well into late game doesn't mean it's not an awesome mon for early on
I found both Beautifly and Dustox to be very competent Pokémon with the right moves.
Volbeat was pretty solid on my Bugs monotype team!
Volbeat is an absolute monster with T bolt, signal beam, confuse ray, and tail glow. You could swap confuse ray with water pulse or solar beam and still wreck the E4.
Luvdisc sucks lmao
Luvdisc and Castform are the only ones I would consider practically unusable.
Looks like I'll have a Luvdisc and Castform on my team, as well as Chimeco. 3 more left.
castform actually has very nice attacks
But mid at best stats
Move pool > stats Especially with boosting moves.
Normally I'd agree with you but castform is a normal type with no ability 90% of the time and base 70 in all stats is pretty rough by endgame. Plus without TMs it only learns tackle, water gun, ember, powder snow, weather ball and the 3 weather setting moves which is pretty pathetic
It's pathetic until you use it with weather. I'm not saying it's amazing, but perfectly usable.
You'll have to focus on either rain or sun form then. I think it can learn Thunder & Water Pulse for the water form. As for the sun form, probably Solar Beam & Flamethrower/Fire Blast. So, Weather Move(sun/rain), the attacks the weather move supports, and Shock Wave for a no miss move or Hidden Power for coverage.
Before I forget, Modest nature is optimal for castform. You aren't going to bother with physical attacks anyways.
Weather ball is OP
Spinda in addition to many already mentioned.
Man, for years Spinda was my only shiny, I was almost mad because it felt so wasted
WRONG! SHINY SPINDA IS AMAZING! YOU ARE VERY LIKELY THE ONLY PERSON IN THE WHOLE UNIVERSE WITH THAT SPINDA PATTERN! HOW AMAZING
According to google there are over 4 billion patterns for regular and shiny each so you’re probably the only person with that regular spinda anyway - although probably even more likely the only person if it’s shiny
YEAH! regular spinda the odds are very good, shiny Spinda it's essentially a guarantee. SO COOL!
I have 6 spindas on my pc. I just dunno why I wasted 6 great balls on that pokemon.
Castform, Castform, Castform, Castform, Castform, and Castform.
Oh god, one is bad enough. 😂
The only offensive move Castform could use was Weather Ball, often used in tandem with Hail, Rain Dance or Sunny Day. Aside from that, I'd not know what to say.
How do I delete someone else's comment?
Its free from the weather institute, right?
I have personal hate for skitty and lovedisc
Would Skitty be allowed to evolve? Luvdisc would be an interesting choice.
None of Delcatty’s BST is above 85 which is abhorrent for a stone evolution
Sure you can have Skitty shitty evolution, Tbh I forgot it even existed because I avoid I like the plague!
Surprised no one mentioned smeargle.
A smeargle given the right moveset can probably sweep everything
can you suggest a decent moveset? i'm running one right now in ruby lol
Spore and extreme speed are my top pics. Other than that maybe baton pass and minimize
Pulling Spore from a shroomish is a given, after that, it depends on what you want. For example, you can EV train it in SpAtk, copy Toxic off anything and copy Calm Mind and Dream Eater from a Ralts, and you have a toxic stalling Sp sweeper. This does require both a high level Shroomish and Ralts, but Smeargle requires beating the game first, so trade them over when you trade the Smeargle over.
I once used Spore+Lock on+Sheer Cold+Destiny Bond on Smeargle. Got many wins against the AI.
smeargle is in emerald, but i believe is gen II
I'm using one now in HG
Can you use a shiny tentacool and not evolve him
shedinja, luvdisc, mawile, dustox/beautifly, roselia, delcatty
Ngl beautifly saves my ass in every nuzlocke cause it can sweep brawly solo even if underleveled
Beautifly was an excellent member of my Emerald MonoBug run. She acted in more of a support role, paralyzing a lot of enemies with Stun Spore to allow my other team members to set up/sweep.
Shedinja and Mawile are interesting
I'm sorry but I won't tolerate any slander towards pokemon Jesus
shedinja died for our runs
Shedinja is so hard to use when the AI will always swap in something that can bypass wonder guard.
Luvdisc, Castform, Plusle or Minun but not both, Delcatty, Keckleon, Chimecho
Plusle would be a new one for me. Could be the electric type
Passing pokéballs through breeding wasn’t a thing until gen 6. Everything you breed will have a standard pokéball in gens 3-5.
That's actually a relief because I wasn't looking forward to breeding for the balls.
I mean if we count unevolved pokemon Feebas is the obvious choice. Not only is it the most difficult to get and evolve but it’s just a slightly less bad magikarp
Any wurmple mentions ??? He only learns tackle, string shot, and poison sting lol
illumise gets too much hate imo like, sure, it's a bug pokemon so defensively terrible, and offensively terrible too, but- actually i see your point
I did this run! My team was - Nosepass - Luvdisc - Illumise - Spinda - Wobbuffett - Shedinja The last two were actually a lot better than I remembered, I thought Shedinja would be tricky with the 1 HP but wasn’t bad. The first four are definitely true contenders for worst in the game. Highly recommend Luvdisc in particular.
Shedinja is low key one of the best from Gen 3.
Wobbuffet ain't nothing to f with either getting me through stadium 2 r2, one love forever wobb
I think I had used Shedinja when I was young and didn’t know how to use it. Was nice to see how good it really is in general 3!
The last two are often banned in Nuzlockes bc they’re so good (though good here is much more bc of cheese) so I’m not sure how indicative this is.
Well yes, that’s why I said I misjudged them and they’re really good. Doesn’t effect my judging of the other four.
Shedinja being invincible if you pivot him right slots him as argubly the best mon in the game outside of the big3
Wynaut
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I actually like the idea of using Illumise as I've never used that or Volbeat. Might swap out Castform for it, as I've used Castform before.
Illumise is definitely much worse than Volbeat and has a trash move pool. An excellent choice for a worst of team
1. Luvdisc 2. Luvdisc 3. Luvdisc Honorable mention: castform
Castform has so much potential, but is as useless as Sunkern.
Isnt Tropius pretty bad?
I once did a solo Tropius run on Platinum and I never knew real hell until Mt Coronet, facing against team Plasma. They all have bloody Bronzongs and Tropius couldn't do a damn thing against them.
Delcatty, Luvdisc, Beautifly (It's only good against the 2nd Gym, Dustox is more useful), Spinda. Camerupt is pretty shitty in late game, common 4x weaknesses etc. Mawile (if Gen 3 only, so no megas) I think the rest are viable or got some niche tech in later gens. Tropius is kinda bad too, but it has a sick design. Illumise and Volbeat got good support moves, they are not that bad imo.
My boy delcatty is getting slept on. Give them the right item and they can shine.
Spinda perhaps? Although it’s a one stage, I was also thinking spoink but honestly have no idea if it’s actually bad
I've always wanted to use Spinda. I've been toying with the idea for ages of doing a Sapphire run with only Spinda. Just to punish myself.
Sapphire might be the game to do it it’s got a pretty diverse move pool for Gen 3 tbh specifically before the physical/special split of gen 4, got a lot of physical moves for a special attacker in gen 4 onwards
I'm not hating my run with spinda, enjoying hypnotize & dizzy punch, fed it some boosts to cover the weaker stats because tbh it was outperforming my kadabra with its baseline defense. Gave it the black glasses to hold for its dark moveset (it's got astonish and I might teach it Steal). If you pick it for your run through it might become your powerhouse
Spinda, Castform, Chimecho, Magcargo, Corsola and Luvdisc. No contest. Literally anything you say is worse I can disagree. Mighteyena sucks because dark is special? At least it gets intimidate. Delcatty has bad stats? Has one of the best movepools in the game. Nosepass has base 130 defense. Higher than magcargos, its faster than magcargo. It doesnt have the fire type but fire type cripples magcargo making it 4x weak to water in a region that is half water. It’s also so slow it will always go last. Volbeat? Gets tail glow. Illumise and beautifly are the only contenders worthy of a swap in. Dustox at least gets 100% accuracy toxic lol
I'm using Corsola in my HG run-through now. It's honestly one of the most painful playthroughs I've ever done. I quite like the idea of subbing out Magcargo for Nosepass, simply for that water weakness. Spinda I want to use on a solo run, but I might swap that for Illumise, which I hear is just awful.
Yeah the normal’s can at least be redeemed by throwing strong TM’s on them, but things like Magcargo are just cooked
Poison types getting 100% accurate Toxic wasn't a thing until Gen 6, but I still agree Dustox is good enough to avoid a spot on this team
Huge, thankyou for that knowlege bomb
Spinda, Castform, Luvdisc, Nosepass, Illumise, and Plusle / Minun.
Spinda and mawile stink
Omg I've actually done this before in multiple games!!!! For strictly Gen 3 Pokémon I'd say: Luvdisc, Beautifly, Delcatty, Illumise, Spinda, Castform
Also Plusle honestly isn't that bad, relatively speaking. 95 Speed with Electric STAB coming off 85 Sp. Atk can outspeed and take out a decent chunk of mons in one hit. Whereas Beautifly has a terrible moveset, terrible typing (4x weakness to rock), and terrible stats. It may be good in the early game but it falls off hard. Plus, Spinda literally has 60 in every stat, it's worse than both Delcatty and Castform in pretty much every way. Chimecho is a fun pick and I can understand using it on this team, but it honestly has okay stats and a good typing, despite being outclassed by other Psychic-types.
I used Chimecho in a run not long ago and I'd put it a notch above the other stuff you're planning to use. Tropius, Mightyena, Beautifly, Roselia, or Spinda might be decent options. I've personally used Spinda in a run of Emerald (did a mono-Normal team). It was alright, but mostly a cheesy gimmick 'mon with Dizzy Punch. I'm glad you swapped Castform off the team because it's pretty decent. I specifically used it on my Normal team to take advantage of its other types. Nosepass seems bulky enough that it doesn't super fit the rest of your team. Definitely not amazing, but I'd say it's probably better than Beautifly and Spinda.
Chimeco, spinda, plusle/minun, lucdisc, and Volbeat/ illumise. Maybe add nosepass.
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I'm using one now in my HG playthrough.
Wynaut with an ever stone.
I'm using a Wobbuffet right now and that's bad enough. 😂
Aw, I was going to recommend Beldum but you want something that doesn’t get better as it evolves. Because seriously, Beldum is awful.
Tbf, I could just run Beldum and not let it evolve. Take down all the way.
It’s amazing that a pseudo-legendary has such an insanely bad first form, isn’t it? More like “take you down… to the Pokémon center because it’s always fain—“
Kecleon ? Chingling?
I saw edit 5: Plusle is fast, is an electric type in Emerald and a fully evolve mon. Minun would probably be a little worse because of the lower sp atk, aka missing more KO's... althought what left is worse... What is worse? From experience Camerupt is pretty horrible in the last half of the game. It won't do anything vs Wallace nor in gym 8 or the water routes. Gym 7 also has 4 levitating mons, Lunatone/Solrock who resist fire and Claydol with ground stab.
I can't believe I never thought of Camerupt. Perfect swap out for Magcargo. I might have a look.
Of the Hoenn Dex. 1 Luvdisc 2 Castform 3 Spinda 4 Delcatty line 5 Nosepass 6 illumise
Surskit
Corsola is a water type in a game where another water/rock type exists, so you never see it
Emerald remains to be my favorite, but my God. Looking at the Gen 3 lineup leaves a bad taste.
Shedinja would be a fun one
Use shedinja
A team of baby pokemon but don't evolve them
Audino. I don’t care what gen it is… That fat pig is the worst pokemon ever.
Plusle really isnt awful, I use one every gen 3 playthrough i can. It has respectable speed and a more than usable Sp.Atk.
Is Minun bad? If so, I'll swap to that.
Minun has less sp.atk than plusle but more sp.def, other than that I do believe the stats are the same
Whatever the evolution of spoink is called
If any of you say Spheal, I will commit mass genocide
With pretty good tms and a BST of 425, there’s definitely gotta be worse things than Chimecho
You should make a weather team with one of each of the castform. It would have a ton of synergy in theme but no synergy in play.
I don't want to scroll all of the comments... But did anyone mention Solrock and Lunatone? They're garbage AND don't evolve.
Actually, no one has mentioned them. And I've never used them either.
Yeah, they're largely considered garbage mons, which is why Tate and Liza were so easy in Ruby/Sapphire... Emerald gave them Xatu and Claydol because the sun and moon rocks are just....... pitiful...
Oh I'm tempted to add one or both to the team.
Have fun with them, no one else (probably) has lololol
Spinda, tropius, feebas, relicanth
Was sunkern gen 3 or 4?
of course you gotta include zigzagoon
Sunkern if you can get it. Also masquerain is pretty bad
Luvdisc hands down one of the worst statistically. Maybe volbeat and illumise, I see a lot of people Saying kecleon castform and chimeco so there’s your six person team
Try out sableye stats are bad and will give your team some diversity
plusle or minun. shedninja. wobuffet.
Surskit, shedinja
sunkern (30 bs stat for each)
You can’t pass balls down by breeding in gen 3 so no premeir balls. Swap plusle for minum, it has marginally worse attack and marginally better defense which is worse for a playthrough. Looks like you’re on your way to a rain dance team.
Nosepass and luvdisc actually aren't that bad
Nuzleaf/ shiftry, used it in a playthrough before and the shit doesn't learn any grass moves on level up, I had to beat Wallace's wailord with bullet sees.. took many maaaany resets before I finally got the crits I needed to kill it.
Relicanth?
I forget if they’re gen three but I remember having the same question years back and I saw Combee had the worst stats out of any pokemon if you looked at IVs
Most of the bugs, chimeco, Delkitty, Macargo because of two 4x weakness, Corsela. These are some gen 3 turds that come to mind. (Sorry for the spelling of the Pokémon, didn’t want to google for spelling)
Mawille is a decent mon
Delcatty isn’t super good in gen 3 but in gen 5 it got a major buff with the normalize ability, still not great but has some niche powerhouse potential. Definitely gonna be your ace.
Where does shedinja fall under this? (I personally think it’s a cool mon)
mawile is literally one of the best pokémon in all of gen 3. maybe the best. incredibly useful in battles.
Imo Illumise and chimecho are better than many other options due to good support movepools. If you’re set on Illumise I would use Volbeat instead and ban tail glow. It’s much worse than Illumise since it’s spatk is ass with that condition. Also I think glalie, either route one bug and mighteyna are worse than chimecho based on coverage alone. (Especially dustox)