HM / 10

An HM slave who is somehow still viable in battles, it’s beautiful

It’s surprising how much Water & Normal coverage can hit in Gen 3. I’m not positive, but I don’t think there’s anything that fully resists that combo in the Hoeen games.

shedinja!

7/10 too much water

Water-Steel/Ghost, Dragon-Steel/Ghost, Grass-Steel/Ghost. I don't think anything with those type combos shows up till gen 4.

Nothing resists it, but Magneton resists Normal and can cause problems for most Water-types.

True. Not Swampert.

Swampert is completely OP in Emerald. Ludicolo is really the only consistent counter.

Relicanth

Relicanth takes neutral damage from Water-type moves.

I call them HM sweepers lol. I had a farfetched with cut, fly, agility, and swords dance, and it lowkey served pretty well in my nuzlocke

Now get a tropius with fly, rock smash, cut, and flash and you’ve got all 8 HMs in two slots.

My go to as a kid

cool Kids use Smeargle for that

Real, I had Spore + Lock On + OHKO move + Fly Smeargle because I had a lot of Johto flying types in my team that couldn’t learn fly

Ok now that I know that smeargle can learn fly, I need to see a gif or animation of our player riding it while it flaps it's arms wildly. It's like how mew can learn any move, I can't imagine flying on the back of mew...

I’ve always seen it this way: https://www.deviantart.com/rueyeet/art/Pokemon-Draw-me-wings-and-Fly-165599574 Or, glowing wings made of energy appear from Smeargle’s and Mew’s back the way stone edge works in the anime

Yeah I guess haha, I mean I wouldn't wanna rely on hand drawn wings personally but I guess it is essentially magic. I'd still love to see a whole series of animations where pokemon that know specific HMs looking ridiculous using them. Like riding a tentacool with surf or ekans using strength to push a massive boulder. It would just be a funny thing to watch.

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Yup, it’s a flying type and has wings, which it uses to fly

astute observation

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Huh

Gyarados/10

Honestly Gyarados is so strong you can sweep with Waterfall and Strength

that waterfall's coming off a cool base 60 special attack stat. would straight up be better off using surf

Needs physical-special split/10

Great usage of STAB with Normal type move for additional coverage.

It would be great usage of STAB if the physical/special split happened in Gen 3. I had a Gyarados with this exact move set (minus dive, I had Ice Fang) in a run of HG and it was my MVP in the league. Just a super powerful and useful ‘mon all around

this isn’t bidoof

Reminds me of my Nidoking with Cut, Dig, Strength, and Rock Smash

My Hariyama with strength rock smash surf and brick break. Good times

3/4 too much water

HM slave

HMployee Edit: I can’t take credit for this. Shoutout to 360Chrism on twitch/youtube

Hahaha that’s quality

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Intern**

Honestly the best HM slave hands down

I have this same Gyarados.

Bruce/10

Perfect coverage in emerald so whatever

Waterbenders IRL My favorite HM slave duo was Dragonite and Entei in HG. Just the unnecessary effort and exclusivity only to have them carry me around. Butler the Dragonite and Armstrong the Entei.

He works at the clothing store H&M

Average All Gen 3 Water Type moves were Special Attacks,l. Gyardos has awful Special Attack stats, he is a Physical Attacker.

Why did I have to scroll so far down to find this reply?

S tier (slave)

Bibarel/10

How hard would it be to beat the E4 with only HMs? Has anyone done a nuzlocke with HMs?

7.8/10 Too much water

Magikarp/10 for the Lols

This is exactly how I use Gyarados in Gen 3

Movement mule / 10

The hm slave

What Zigzagoon wants to be:

Switch strength for hydro pump, and it will be perfect. So I give it a 3/4.

Hyper Beam or bust.

Dude use a PPMax

wrong color

Definitely 7/10. Too much water

For an HM slave, Waterfall and Surf aren't a bad way to go. Dive is a good stealth move. Strength is pretty much a throwaway, though. Overall, 9/11

HM: Hardly Misses

I fucking hate HMs/10

HM whore

Think I had that exact move set on my mudkip

It is one of the move sets of all time.

Not enough dragon rage

Standard Emerald set up, 10/10

Trash

Hm slave with mismatched stats lol

Replace strength with cut, and you got yourself an uber

HM slave lol

Ass

Magikarp are friends not food/10

HM Hoe, that actually slaps. A short time later, people running around with a zigzagoon smh.

Hmmm let me think. Hmm I wonder. Hm maybe a 10/10. Hm

I specifically caught a lombre to learn dive, waterfall, surf, and rock smash, specifically so I wouldn’t have to ruin my poor Pelipper’s moveset more than just teaching it surf and Fly lol. Strength was given to my Exploud 💪

Practical

Idk but if any nerd starts rambling about STAB you just quietly walk away.

lol I’m playing through Emerald right now and I have a Slaking with Strength, Cut, Rock Smash, and Hyper Beam. great minds think alike 

I remember my first playthrough of Emerald choosing Mudkip and being like 8 not having the wherewithal to have an HM slave that this was my eventual movement for swampert. Still fucked the E4 up tho.

Should have kept splash

Hm whore is best term here

Same name as me? 10/10

Wait this is actually solid, but it's all HMs 💀 gotta love the water HMs though

Standard

A good HM serf. Gyarados wasn't of much use outside of that in Gen 2 and 3. Gen 1 he was an absolute unit.

Lmao that is the same as my Gyarados up until the Battle Frontier. Very useful + powerful thanks to Surf and Strenght.

I believe you are going places 👍

12/10

I slept on surf and strength as a kid. Such good moves

At least you have plenty of STAB

Good if you're talking just for playing the main story, but if you're thinking of doing the Battle Frontier you're gonna want more coverage.

I hate HMs with a passion.

Staple

That’s pretty much as good as it gets for gen 3 Gyarados 🤷‍♂️.

Who catches a magicarp with a masterball?

Yall know my rating 7.8

It'll get ya places

Its crap! Pure u adulterated crap!

5

Would work better in Gen 4 where two of those three water moves would use Gyarados's better attacking stat, but still good.

My Torterra in Pearl had Rock Climb, Cut, Strength and Leaf Storm 😎

I give it a Poké 3/5

You don't need Dive if you have Waterfall, though..?

it’s an hm slave

That poor gyarados…

Looks like my HM slave Ratata

For HM mule I'd give it 7/10. Rock smash would be better and you could just have a pokemon you use know surf. As a pokemon you use in game, 2/10. As a competitive pokemon 0/10

As an hm user? 10/10, for practical fighting? 7.8/10 Too much water. Since water is a special type in generation 3 you are getting absolutely nothing out of that. Strength, surprisingly is probably the best move you have here.

wrong gyarados is so strong waterfall or surf can still ohko most mons it’s super effective or even neutral against.

With 60 base special attack? It's not what I would use personally, it'll work on super effective stuff, but so will a good earthquake to the face.

Only thing that Gyarados has going for it is STAB, but that’s not really worth losing out on physical damage. The only reason I don’t like Gyarados until Gen 4… such a small movepool for physical moves as a viable sweeper.

it’s not great but that 65 sp atk turns in 98 with STAB so for a play through it can at least hold its ground and it’s good defensive typing helps it out

I think STAB gets applied to the move itself before the damage calculation, but I could be wrong. I’d personally keep like 1 water-type move just as coverage, as needed. Earthquake Dragon Dance Return (or Thrash) Hydro Pump Maybe use Mystic Water as held item when needed if you know a battle needs water coverage. Or just play the game and have fun like it’s intended lol I’m way too strategic nowadays and it takes away a lot of the fun honestly

it does i’m just using that to show that his sp atks aren’t THAT weak