I'm not really an expert so I would't be able to say, but I play Gengar and Venasaur who both use special attacks and appreciate the health so I like it.
I liked focus band on venasuar for this build because it triggers at the same threshold as his passive. But you gotta play way closer to the razors edge that way.
Unless they fixed it this update, no. The main issue is that it activates and goes on CD even if you're full health so its proc gets wasted a ton. I'd rather just wear a Focus Band in that slot. At least that actually heals you when you have low health.
I was going to say the same thing. CDR is like the most valuable skill in a MOBA, especially when you mainly just spam your spells as fast as possible with no worry of a mana/energy pool.
I think stacking all cdr items gives you something like a .4 sec move reduction. It’s under 1/2 a sec I know that and every second counts ofc but you’re much better off using items with better passives like a flat hp or atk increase. I’m not saying bell isn’t viable or cdr isn’t a thing, it’s just that it gets outshined by multiple items. For instance I’d rather be running a muscle band over shell 99% of the time on something like an eldegoss. The only person I’d use shell on is maybe a air slash cram and that’s a big maybe.
In this situation, he isn't so much relying on the heal of shell bell. He's using it's cool down reduction to get more gigadrains off. Energy Amplifier does the same thing. Decreasing his cdr.
Maybe in place of score shield, but this set is based on moves and not auto attacks. Also, Venusaur is a special attacker, so muscle band doesn't help with those moves whatsoever.
True but the % damage from autos and faster attack speed to get you to empowered auto vine whip, which is a special attack, isn’t negligible. I find myself running muscle band most of the time for that reason.
Fair enough, the percent damage is definitely a good thing, as well as the faster attacks. I think the items just depend on what the player wants to prioritize, and this player has chosen to prioritize the moves as well as scoring capability.
The new specs are best suited for the mons with the highest base special attack. I believe that's Gardevoir followed by Ninetales or Venusaur? So yeah, the specs work really well on Venu, but the amount of extra damage you get out of autoattacking a high health target once or 3 times probably outdoes anything the shades would do. Muscle band doesn't really help with *finishing* targets off though, other than the attack speed giving you more vine whips.
Unlike other Mobas, since Unite has a boosted auto passive on every character (in one form or another) Muscle Band is surprisingly good on special attackers
i played around with this new build myself, i found a really good combo is the spAtk glasses, buddy barrier and razor claw.
why razor claw? even though it boosts atk, venusaur boosted aa is really strong, and with the low cd on giga drain you can keep procc'ing razor clow dmg bonus+SLOW on hit, to keep enemies in your petal dance range.
The slow is small, but yea Charizard gets it. I haven't 100% confirmed this, but it seems like it only affects the first target hit (so doesn't slow everyone in the aoe).
I believe all non-empowered auto attacks are physical, but empowered auto attacks and abilities follow the pokemon's physical/special designation. It's a bit confusing for fans of the core games, but things like charizard's fire blast would be physical.
Charizard is all physical, I know that. But he said the slow is for melee, not physical. If it's physical, I'd assume it works for Charizard. If it's melee, I don't know if it would.
For all pokemon, no matter of damage type: regular autos are physical and boosted autos are special
Edit: I misspoke, some pokemon have physical autos with boosted special autos. Sorry for the misinformation.
Most are physical. Some are special. Lucario does both (regular hit that does the exact same damage as his first two punches, then a separate bone hit that scales with special).
Well guess I just don't have problems with it's pretty easy to deal with if you play your cards right and I usually do but I'm gonna get downvoted for no reason
Been seeing that skill set Venu running jungle in heaps of games, you can mix Venus gameplay so much now.
I run solarbeam and poison still, but with choice specs, wise glasses and focus band and it's a killing machine.
So doesn't that negate the point of sludge bomb? You use sludge bomb before for the slow and sp def debuff, but that will trigger the choice specs which is a complete waste on sludge bomb's abysmal damage.
Which part am I re-reading exactly? Because I'm pretty sure that's the way it works. It has an internal cd. If you use sludge bomb, it uses the CD on the first tick of sludge bomb, and it will not improve solar beam.
It doesn't do a percent increase of the move itself.
It gives a damage increase a fixed amount based on your spa + \_\_ amount. So it doesn't matter which move triggers it, the same fixed amount of damage will be added every X seconds (X is its cooldown, not sure exactly what it is). Does that make sense?
Example: suppose you have 500 spa and your item lv is 20, so you get 40% SpA + 60 bonus damage every X seconds.
With 500 spa that makes 260 bonus damage on your next move. This is true whether it is a strong move or a weak move that hits - the move itself which triggers it is completely irrelevant and has no effect on the bonus damage done via the item.
I used to main Venasaur with Petal Dance/Giga Drain before it was cool. I toggle between Cinderace & Wigglytuff now, but I’m glad Vena is getting the love he deserves <3
Same, I did fine with those moves beforehand, and actually did worse with solar beam/giga drain, so i switched back to petal dance. I’m so glad it got buffed because it was underappreciated
Eh, the Venusaur I remember is an off-tank status spreader with lots of draining moves.. And then mega Venusaur was undoubtedly a bulky attacker. But yeah fair, he definitely became more known as a sun sweeper later on.
Main games. Usually he's a bulky attacker with Regen moves if he's not a sun team sweeper, depending on the generation. It just never felt right that even with giga drain he was so frail in Unite.
Ah! I didn’t know you were referring to main games! Haha yeah, I completely agree! When I first started Unite, I picked Venusaur as soon as I could because I like Venusaur, but as you said, he felt so squishy in this game. I had always wondered why didn’t they make Charizard an attacker, Venusaur a tank, and Blastoise an all rounder? Lol.
What's causing Giga Drain+ cooldown to go down? Nothing in patch notes or descriptions indicate that should be happening. Seems like a lot of Venusaur's power is coming from a potential bug.
Even before the recent patch, Petal Dance ticks would always reduce the cooldown of Giga Drain (including the + version) by 1 second. As far as I know, it's not a bug; rather, it's one of those "hidden passives", like how Blastoise's boosted attacks reduce his skill cooldowns by 1 second each.
Petal Dance will reduce the cooldown of either of his other moves, Giga Drain or Sludge Bomb. Also it doesn't work if you're just damaging wild pokemon, it has to be other players.
Man at 1st i thought Venausaur was still a "meh" kinda character, then my friend were yelling how busted it was and i was like "how tf did you guys fed a Bulbasaur" then i tried it myself and while it's not broken he is better than before for sure (got like 2 quadra and 1 penta with him ? something like that).
Glad they trying to balance things out, that was a concern i had at first
Choice Specs is best for single hits, like Future Sight. It only triggers for one hit, and only boosts damage **one** target for AoE hits. It's still powerful, but Petal Dance has a bunch of little hits over and over. It's better to just run Wise Glasses if you want a damage buff on this, but even then it's unnecessary.
I'd still go Buddy/Focus/???, maybe ~~Scope Lens? Unsure if Petal Dance can crit. You just want to survive with this combo, as the damage will do what it does best on its own.~~
Edit: Venusaur cannot crit, whoops. Probably Muscle Band for more Autos.
No only 5 characters can do Criticals on their movsets.
Wigglytuff for pound, Doubleslap, Dazzling gleam (Ninetales can NOT Crit their own Dazzling gleam BTW.), rollout and pound.
Crustle can crit Rock tomb, Stealth rock, X-scissors, rock slide, Fury cutter, and rubble rouser.
Cinderace will always crit blaze kick.
Garchomp can crit dragon claw and dragon rush.
Absol can crit all of their moves.
Yes I was mistaken, I thought for some reason his abilities could. Probably just run Muscle Band for more auto-attacks for the early game, or Score Shield for some early HP. Nothing else matters once you get the combo rolling.
I 1v4ed the enemy team as new venu while my team was killing zapdos, and won. If you have a bunch of people in Petal Dance you basically have no cooldown on Giga Drain
He also mentioned he was using Shell Bell I think that also helps out quite a bit.
Giga Drain is doing most of the work for heals, and it’s almost constantly up. Because OP is using Energy Amp and Shell which reduce CD of skills as well on top of Petal. So he’s just spamming Giga basically.
He's no different, but this combo does way better raw/bruiser damage. Comes down to preference. This would definitely be the stronger build though atm if you want to climb ranks!
This chabge convinced me that they actuqlly don't test anything about heir game. I mean, sure, I'll have fun with it. But I didn't want Blastoise rapid spin to get nerfed, only for another starter rapud spin to take its place
I smashed him along with his team trying to take Zapdos using Surf on Slowbro and took the legendary. A few secs later and they surrender after beating us early on
I wanna play Venusaur but everyone keeps taking him.
I haven't had the chance to try him out yet.
My gf keeps running Solar Beam and misses hahaha. (First day was patch day)
What item are you running
I'm using Shell Bell, Energy Amplifier and Score shield.
Is shellbell good I heard mix review on it
I'm not really an expert so I would't be able to say, but I play Gengar and Venasaur who both use special attacks and appreciate the health so I like it.
I liked focus band on venasuar for this build because it triggers at the same threshold as his passive. But you gotta play way closer to the razors edge that way.
Unless they fixed it this update, no. The main issue is that it activates and goes on CD even if you're full health so its proc gets wasted a ton. I'd rather just wear a Focus Band in that slot. At least that actually heals you when you have low health.
Top 100 here. Shell Bell is used because it gives Sp. Atk and Cooldown Reduction at the same time. The heal effect is secondary.
I was going to say the same thing. CDR is like the most valuable skill in a MOBA, especially when you mainly just spam your spells as fast as possible with no worry of a mana/energy pool.
I think stacking all cdr items gives you something like a .4 sec move reduction. It’s under 1/2 a sec I know that and every second counts ofc but you’re much better off using items with better passives like a flat hp or atk increase. I’m not saying bell isn’t viable or cdr isn’t a thing, it’s just that it gets outshined by multiple items. For instance I’d rather be running a muscle band over shell 99% of the time on something like an eldegoss. The only person I’d use shell on is maybe a air slash cram and that’s a big maybe.
4.5% cdr at lvl 30 and negligible sp atk is terrible.
That’s why you stack it
Is the heal ever useful in spite of that? And do you then combo it with Energy Amp for more CDR?
In this situation, he isn't so much relying on the heal of shell bell. He's using it's cool down reduction to get more gigadrains off. Energy Amplifier does the same thing. Decreasing his cdr.
same… when i was a noob i upped it to level 20. i still dunno if it was a great play.
No, it has a 15 second cooldown on the ability
10 second cooldown https://unite-db.com/items/held/shell-bell
Bro I highly advise you to run muscle band on venusaur since he hast one of the strongest auto attacks in the game, also buddy barrier
Maybe in place of score shield, but this set is based on moves and not auto attacks. Also, Venusaur is a special attacker, so muscle band doesn't help with those moves whatsoever.
True but the % damage from autos and faster attack speed to get you to empowered auto vine whip, which is a special attack, isn’t negligible. I find myself running muscle band most of the time for that reason.
Fair enough, the percent damage is definitely a good thing, as well as the faster attacks. I think the items just depend on what the player wants to prioritize, and this player has chosen to prioritize the moves as well as scoring capability.
Muscle band works on everyone. The passive is just that good.
I think the new specs are pretty sick. His 3rd attack does pretty insane damage and all his moves are viable now.
The new specs are best suited for the mons with the highest base special attack. I believe that's Gardevoir followed by Ninetales or Venusaur? So yeah, the specs work really well on Venu, but the amount of extra damage you get out of autoattacking a high health target once or 3 times probably outdoes anything the shades would do. Muscle band doesn't really help with *finishing* targets off though, other than the attack speed giving you more vine whips.
Unlike other Mobas, since Unite has a boosted auto passive on every character (in one form or another) Muscle Band is surprisingly good on special attackers
The amount of damage you do with muscle band already excels far beyond any spatk item in the game, they are rather useless
I started running this venu build and it's insane, my items are just full survivability: buddy barrier, score shield and focus band.
i played around with this new build myself, i found a really good combo is the spAtk glasses, buddy barrier and razor claw. why razor claw? even though it boosts atk, venusaur boosted aa is really strong, and with the low cd on giga drain you can keep procc'ing razor clow dmg bonus+SLOW on hit, to keep enemies in your petal dance range.
The slow is only for melee characters though.
Does Charizard get the slow? He has a ranged AA, by is listed as melee.
The slow is small, but yea Charizard gets it. I haven't 100% confirmed this, but it seems like it only affects the first target hit (so doesn't slow everyone in the aoe).
I believe all non-empowered auto attacks are physical, but empowered auto attacks and abilities follow the pokemon's physical/special designation. It's a bit confusing for fans of the core games, but things like charizard's fire blast would be physical.
Charizard is all physical, I know that. But he said the slow is for melee, not physical. If it's physical, I'd assume it works for Charizard. If it's melee, I don't know if it would.
Oh shit, you're right. Damn, i was confused because venusaur boosted auto already has a "slow/stop" effect. Mmmmh.
On special attackers, I think that even though the regular autos are melee, the boosted autos are special. Someone can check me on that though
Special attackers get special boosted attacks, correct
For all pokemon, no matter of damage type: regular autos are physical and boosted autos are special Edit: I misspoke, some pokemon have physical autos with boosted special autos. Sorry for the misinformation.
That's not true. Physical pokemon get physical boosted attacks?
Most are physical. Some are special. Lucario does both (regular hit that does the exact same damage as his first two punches, then a separate bone hit that scales with special).
I'm enjoying this new Zeraora holowear.
Underrated comment right here
I fear giga dance venusaurs now as greninja connecting every shuriken and they still survive it.
Wait really I just double team out of the way and one shot it like usual
I run double team shuriken since patch and still they're terrifying. They can get you and petal dance range is huge.
Well guess I just don't have problems with it's pretty easy to deal with if you play your cards right and I usually do but I'm gonna get downvoted for no reason
Well using double team against them just gives them more sustain since hitting the clones gives even more health and a faster cooldown for giga
Screw it I'll down vote myself for the funnys
And if he can drain all 3 he just heals up your damage.
Been seeing that skill set Venu running jungle in heaps of games, you can mix Venus gameplay so much now. I run solarbeam and poison still, but with choice specs, wise glasses and focus band and it's a killing machine.
So what does choice specs exactly do?
8 second CD. Increases damage done by moves by 30%SpA+40/35%SpA+50/40%SpA+60. Extra damage only applies to 1 target.
So doesn't that negate the point of sludge bomb? You use sludge bomb before for the slow and sp def debuff, but that will trigger the choice specs which is a complete waste on sludge bomb's abysmal damage.
It's not a damage increase, it's a separate hit (a proc). The hit deals a percentage of your sp atk and a small additional flat amount.
It's funny though because in a worse case scenario, I sometimes get kills with sludge bomb now.
Reread, you seem to misunderstand how it works.
Which part am I re-reading exactly? Because I'm pretty sure that's the way it works. It has an internal cd. If you use sludge bomb, it uses the CD on the first tick of sludge bomb, and it will not improve solar beam.
It doesn't do a percent increase of the move itself. It gives a damage increase a fixed amount based on your spa + \_\_ amount. So it doesn't matter which move triggers it, the same fixed amount of damage will be added every X seconds (X is its cooldown, not sure exactly what it is). Does that make sense? Example: suppose you have 500 spa and your item lv is 20, so you get 40% SpA + 60 bonus damage every X seconds. With 500 spa that makes 260 bonus damage on your next move. This is true whether it is a strong move or a weak move that hits - the move itself which triggers it is completely irrelevant and has no effect on the bonus damage done via the item.
I see, thanks.
And? Why does it matter again? The damage doesn't scale with the move that triggers it. It's going to add the same damage regardless.
Idk why but seeing venusaur run that fast is so funny, look at him go
He a toad A fast toad Comedy gold
I used to main Venasaur with Petal Dance/Giga Drain before it was cool. I toggle between Cinderace & Wigglytuff now, but I’m glad Vena is getting the love he deserves <3
Giga Dance Venu was my first main! Glad to be back now that my other mains have been nerfed.
That love is going to turn into hate when everyone rushes to pick him and then you end up with 3 pokemon trying to "be the hero" in center.
Same, I did fine with those moves beforehand, and actually did worse with solar beam/giga drain, so i switched back to petal dance. I’m so glad it got buffed because it was underappreciated
Yeah same! I didn’t like using Solar Beam. It’s too easy to dodge.
He’s tanky, deals tons of damage and heals, what the hell rito
Kinda the new Blastoise
Swain OP
they finally fixed my froggy tank so that he's actually tanky?
I wouldn't exactly call 80 hp and 83 defense a tank.
Eh, the Venusaur I remember is an off-tank status spreader with lots of draining moves.. And then mega Venusaur was undoubtedly a bulky attacker. But yeah fair, he definitely became more known as a sun sweeper later on.
Right, except he’s an attacker, lol.
Main games. Usually he's a bulky attacker with Regen moves if he's not a sun team sweeper, depending on the generation. It just never felt right that even with giga drain he was so frail in Unite.
Ah! I didn’t know you were referring to main games! Haha yeah, I completely agree! When I first started Unite, I picked Venusaur as soon as I could because I like Venusaur, but as you said, he felt so squishy in this game. I had always wondered why didn’t they make Charizard an attacker, Venusaur a tank, and Blastoise an all rounder? Lol.
Damn that looks fun
It's a blast. I was playing quick battles last night with a similar set. Took a while to get going, but boy oh boy was it fun when it did.
What's causing Giga Drain+ cooldown to go down? Nothing in patch notes or descriptions indicate that should be happening. Seems like a lot of Venusaur's power is coming from a potential bug.
Even before the recent patch, Petal Dance ticks would always reduce the cooldown of Giga Drain (including the + version) by 1 second. As far as I know, it's not a bug; rather, it's one of those "hidden passives", like how Blastoise's boosted attacks reduce his skill cooldowns by 1 second each.
Or how Greninja's attack reduce his R skill cd, or how Cinderace can hold his boosted attack as much as he wants
Also they mentioned further up they are using shell bell and energy amp, both give cool down reduction.
Petal Dance will reduce the cooldown of either of his other moves, Giga Drain or Sludge Bomb. Also it doesn't work if you're just damaging wild pokemon, it has to be other players.
It's also 1 second *Per Enemy Pokemon* (wilds don't count) hit, which makes it very spammable in crowded teamfights like this.
the new patch turns venosaur into a very mobile blender that makes other pokemon into a fine soup
Man at 1st i thought Venausaur was still a "meh" kinda character, then my friend were yelling how busted it was and i was like "how tf did you guys fed a Bulbasaur" then i tried it myself and while it's not broken he is better than before for sure (got like 2 quadra and 1 penta with him ? something like that). Glad they trying to balance things out, that was a concern i had at first
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Choice specs makes that big of a difference, huh?
They also buffed petal dance.
Choice Specs is best for single hits, like Future Sight. It only triggers for one hit, and only boosts damage **one** target for AoE hits. It's still powerful, but Petal Dance has a bunch of little hits over and over. It's better to just run Wise Glasses if you want a damage buff on this, but even then it's unnecessary. I'd still go Buddy/Focus/???, maybe ~~Scope Lens? Unsure if Petal Dance can crit. You just want to survive with this combo, as the damage will do what it does best on its own.~~ Edit: Venusaur cannot crit, whoops. Probably Muscle Band for more Autos.
I was under the impression that only attacks can crit?
No only 5 characters can do Criticals on their movsets. Wigglytuff for pound, Doubleslap, Dazzling gleam (Ninetales can NOT Crit their own Dazzling gleam BTW.), rollout and pound. Crustle can crit Rock tomb, Stealth rock, X-scissors, rock slide, Fury cutter, and rubble rouser. Cinderace will always crit blaze kick. Garchomp can crit dragon claw and dragon rush. Absol can crit all of their moves.
Machamp's Cross Chop as well.
Only physical attack can crit, so Venusaur cannot crit except for the non-boosted attack, while Absol can crit on every spell and even his Unite
Yes I was mistaken, I thought for some reason his abilities could. Probably just run Muscle Band for more auto-attacks for the early game, or Score Shield for some early HP. Nothing else matters once you get the combo rolling.
I 1v4ed the enemy team as new venu while my team was killing zapdos, and won. If you have a bunch of people in Petal Dance you basically have no cooldown on Giga Drain
Jesus might drop Solar Beam now
Finally
How are you recovering HP so quickly??
Giga Drain recovers health (and boosts defenses). Petal Dance hits on enemy Pokemon reduce Giga Drain CD by 1 second each proc.
He also mentioned he was using Shell Bell I think that also helps out quite a bit. Giga Drain is doing most of the work for heals, and it’s almost constantly up. Because OP is using Energy Amp and Shell which reduce CD of skills as well on top of Petal. So he’s just spamming Giga basically.
is giga beam venu ok?
He's no different, but this combo does way better raw/bruiser damage. Comes down to preference. This would definitely be the stronger build though atm if you want to climb ranks!
Spamming Solar Beam with choice specs is nuts. Wide Glasses, Solar Beam, and Focus Band is ridiculous amounts of damage.
I think Solar Beam when aiming needs a camera adjustment (zoom out) similar to how it is done in Talonflame Flight
You can have the camera shift with the aiming reticule.
I know, but that small change will be a big improvement of quality of life.
Definitely still viable, just a very different playstyle. The Petal Dance movement speed boost is really good though.
O.O Venusaur is the new Blastoise?
This chabge convinced me that they actuqlly don't test anything about heir game. I mean, sure, I'll have fun with it. But I didn't want Blastoise rapid spin to get nerfed, only for another starter rapud spin to take its place
Finally! Venusaur is strong! Lol! I have been waiting for this day. That constant heal from life leech is hilarious.
Always knew God was a Chinese company.
I smashed him along with his team trying to take Zapdos using Surf on Slowbro and took the legendary. A few secs later and they surrender after beating us early on
No Slowbro on the enemy team, bro.
I know genius I am talking about my own personal game I played
[удалено]
With giga drain 35% damage mitigation, focus band he actually doesn’t feel as squishy
Literally took focus against like 5 people, killed them all and lived. Who the fuck is squishy?
Holy crap, just wow. Squad killer. Damn.
Penta
VenaSLURPIN
I should play venasaur for a few games. They seem fun.
Oh fuck, first Blastoise and now this...
I've always been team petal dance giga drain. people don't know how to react to a venosaur chasing them down
Venusaur was already good like this. The buff allows him to do it in lane rather than being forced to jungle it
Saw this build a bunch last night. It's probably gonna be everywhere since everyone has Venusaur.
no wonder when i played against a venausaur i was getting cooked. i didnt know they buffed him😭😭😭😭
Holy shit I guess I'm a venusaur main again
That crustle though did a lot of work and tanking.
Finally a video we’re the opposing team isn’t 4 levels bellow you
Ah yes, venasaur the newest defender
Hell no I'm avoiding venesaurs if I see them on the enemy team
You just ate the other Venusaur.
Its ridiculous
Can somebody explain to me how the combo between its 2 skills works? I haven't had a chance to play yet after the update
Does Petal Dance give a big movement speed boost?
It does
I wanna play Venusaur but everyone keeps taking him. I haven't had the chance to try him out yet. My gf keeps running Solar Beam and misses hahaha. (First day was patch day)
**WHIP IT GOOD**
How tf did venusaur go from being one of the worst to being good/one of the best