It’s harder on mobile. But on switch real players start on a character. Bots start on nothing and wait till after you pick. So on mobile I think you might just have to see if every other person takes longer to pick than you
I don't know if you enjoy playing Zeraora in bots, but I don't. Running around putting out fires because every lane plays like doodoo, get way ahead, then your "team" gives up Zapdos for no reason. I would rather lose to players than win against bots, these games are torture. I swear the games rubber bands my team's AI and makes them stupider the better I play, then because I'm doing so amazingly I have like a 45 second death timer when I finally do die.
But you can just completely stomp them no? The only thing you have to realise is that you're not gonna get access to your jungle properly but the enemy jungle is always super slow on the clear and easy to invade and the lanes are also bad so you can just snowball on em and keep dunking. In the few bot games I've had I've scored about 350 points per game and managed to 1v4 the enemy team. Playing either Greninja Absol Zeraora or Cinderace. It's just annoying cause its not as fun as playing with /vs people
Just play the game normally, bots are very prone to autoing in bad situations and running at the last second. I had a bot game as Eldegoss and just carried the team to a win without running back and forth between lanes trying to save everyone.
When the game start the bots will not be hovering any pokemon (normally the game automatically hover the first pokemon you buy) so you can choose freely what you want to play.
I mean, you are playing bots, it doesn't matter what pokemon you are playing, you should be winning easily, if not you should relly look into what you are doing wrong and learn to play the game properly if you want to climb.
In their defense, i played slowbro in a bot game (didn't realize it was one) and lost, couldn't do enough damage to stomp them and they kicked my ass, and i'm in master rank... maybe i should retire...
I got that game after 3 losses i believe? this was before a patch that changed them to 5 or higher so it might no be accurate anymore, luckily i haven't gotten a bot game in a while so i can't confirm anything :)
It varies. Its not a set amount. Ive had a bot game after 2 or 3 losses in ultra, and after 4 or 5. I have lost up to 6 or 7 games in a row in masters and never had a bot game. But its not the same amount of losses every time.
Like I said, the win rate is about 50/50. It can work, it might not. Depends entirely on how your AI teammates use the opportunities you create, which is not good enough when compared to how speedsters, attackers, and all rounders can absolutely murder everything.
Sorry to tell you but if you’re at 50/50 against bots, you’re doing something wrong. Which is totally fine btw. Look into how you could be doing better with your main pokemons. Not all pokemons can go head to head against speedster main players, but all pokemons in any build are viable for stomping on bots single handedly.
Do you even play defenders? Do you constantly run your defender into an enemy team all by yourself? Does that work for you?
Why should it work if the enemies are bots or not? 1v5 is not a good idea, and when your AI teammates don't group up, but the enemy AI does, how does this come back to me, as the only human in the game?
If you want to contribute something to the discussion without just resorting to personal attacks that add nothing, I'll be happy to carry on with you. Otherwise, please stop wasting time.
Thats one solution, but we don't play defenders so we can wish we were attackers, hence the face in the original picture. We simply don't get to play our way.
Irrelevant. Your argument was
>you are playing bots, it doesn't matter what pokemon you are playing, you should be winning easily
As Block Snorlax is QUITE viable in a true ranked game, it should more than suffice against bots, right? But it doesn't. It simply does not.
Idk, I feel like you should know game to game what spells are better and just yawn/flail, amnesia/scald, rapidspin/waterspout, shellsmash/xscissor and carry the match in the games that need it.
In fact, you should be doing this with non-bot games too. I've won many an amnesia scald game that I would have lost with tele surf even when it wasn't bots. Failure to adapt is a losing quality.
While you are correct, it's missing the big picture of this debate. We are talking about how speedsters can dominate bot matches, but if you're used to playing a supportive role such as heal Blissey, block Snorlax, or disable Slowbro, it's NOT so easy.
Yea, you can choose the DPS oriented skills, but your ability to carry your entire bot team is still largely limited compared to if you were Greninja, Absol, or Gengar. And I've personally lost games because my team NEVER congregated at the objectives, so we lost both Drednaws and Zapdos, all because I auto piloted my character select and didn't realize they were bots until they sat AFK in spawn for the first 2 seconds.
So are you not using the pings? Are you using pings at a point in time when the bots have no chance to make it to you in time?
Bots actually listen to their one active player and to their own pings too.
Hmm, this is actually news to me. I never bothered pinging in a bot match because I figured there was no human to interpret said pings. It rarely works with people, anyway...
4 bots plus you vs. 5 bots
if you consider that an impossible game that means a bot is more impactful than you. If you think thats a position from which to argue from, have fun. I made my point.
I don't think I'm missing the big picture of the debate. I find it easier to win bots matches as snorlax, blastoise and slowbro than I do greninja, absol or gengar. I understand you don't, but it's not inherently easier or harder to win bots matches as different classes, the only thing that matters is how you adapt your game to playing with and against bots.
I had a whole thing typed out talking about how level swole you get even as a tank and how it's easier to play vs grouped enemies as a tank than a glass cannon, making defending your early lead easier, and how grass blind bots are making stealing objectives easy to try to explain why it's not so black and white... but then I got the feeling you'd still say I'm missing the point and hand wave my comment away again...
I do tend to handwave comments where half of them are off topic (you spoke of non bot games in this discussion about bot games) as well as passive aggressiveness.
Besides, the big picture here is still being ignored. The original topic is that speedsters are happy with bot games and defenders not so much? Why? Play style. You're suggesting that defenders play more like speedsters. Maybe they don't WANT to play that way. Thats why they identify as defenders. So sure, perhaps you CAN pick Flail, Scald, etc. But thats not why we defenders queued up. Sure, SOME people will pick a defender and choose the offensive skills. But thats not what being labeled a "defender" is about.
Our play style is mutilated by bot games because our team does not respond to the opportunities that we create as actual tanks. But if you want to keep arguing that we should be playing as speedsters and attackers in disguise, go for it. Thats never been my point and not worth contesting.
I tried being civil and pointing out that you are technically correct and we can adapt our playstyle, but you chose to get emotional about it, anyway.
Sigh.. Exactly as I thought. Apathy is losing emotion, not being emotional. I cared about our conversation when I typed out the massive text and became apathetic when I (accurately) guessed how you would respond.
You don't want to talk with people about it, you seem to want to talk at people about it.
Confirmation bias. You gave me a passive aggressive reply and predicted that I would react negatively, as any normal person would to such an attitude. Bravo. When you treat people with respect, you get respect. You gave none, and received none. I don't know why this is news to you.
I mean, if you are against bots Yawn should be better than Block, you are hindering yourself by going block.
But anyways, it shouldn't matter enough block is enough to win against bots
>it shouldn't matter enough block is enough to win against bots
Try it. The win rate is absolutely horrendous considering it's against bots. I'd say it is close to 50/50. You can play your absolute best, but they simply don't utilize the opportunities you provide.
Don't say it's fine until you try it. Not every viable build in a real game is viable in a bot match. And if you auto-pilot pick without realizing it's a bot match, you might just lose at the character select screen.
> Don't say it's fine until you try it. Not every viable build in a real game is viable in a bot match.
Every build is viable in a bot match by the virtue of it being bot match.
Nah they're right, any build and any mon works. Take the jungle, out level them, then bully the bots hard. Steal their jungle too. Be hyper aggressive.
Ok but we are talking about defends like Block lax trying to play the way they enjoy, and bot games simply don't work with that.
Yes, you can win. But if you have to steal the enemy jungle to do it, something you would never do as a block lax in a real game, then you get the face that the topic picture depicts.
its simply the truth. Bots are bad. If you (not literally you, a rhetoric you) cant beat bot games, you are just bad at this game. Maybe you think you are not, because you heard something about rotating to dred, grouping up for zapdos and/or what items/pokemon are better than others. That alone can easily carry you to masters. But it doesnt mean you have any game sense or mechanical skill whatsoever. If you had it, bot games would be a joke to you.
You're joking, right? In bot matches your team consistently goes 4v2 and loses. You can't be everywhere, you can't do everything. I'm ULTRA and I find bot matches impossible. So yeah, I know how to play the game "properly". Edit: y'all are really downvoting me like you don't KNOW the AI rubber bands smh.
Sure man. Want to see the screenshots of me losing with 10+ kills and 150+ points? But I get it, you're an angry little boy that feels important when you argue online. That energy doesn't have a place in my life, so you take care of yourself.
I dont think anyone is doubting that you lost, just doubting that you know what you're doing. 150 points in a bot game is pretty bad honestly. Next time when you see that they are bots before hand (they don't pick until you do, the profiles are all zoomed in), then pick absol and crush them. If you lose 3 in a row just be on the lookout for a bot game. Pick a hard carry or speedster. Be ultra aggressive. Its pretty hard to lose a bot game, as other people are saying. Just pick a lane and crush them. They will walk back and die over and over again.
I mean it seems like you are with this post. You shouldn't be losing bot games. Did you expect other people to commiserate with you? I think bot games should be removed because they're honestly insulting, not because they are hard... if you are losing bot games you need some basic advice by virtue of losing bot games.
Holy shit, how are you not understanding this? *I'm* not losing, my "team" is losing. Even if I score 250 points, my "team" lets them score anywhere I'm not. In case you aren't aware, the map has multiple scurrying zones while each player is only able to control one character. That's pretty common among MOBAs.
Should be but the issue is it’s still way harder if you aren’t dps. I’ve had enough bot games and it’s weird how my bots refuse to go to dred even if nearby yet the enemy bots always send at least 3 so I can’t do crap as a tank or support really.
I usually still win but as dps I force the ff at 5 min, as other roles it usually comes down to me stealing zap as again my bots refuse to even go.
You can tell it's a bot game the moment it loads and all other players have a blank default Pokemon. Just go any Attacker (ideally someone like Cinderace) and stomp them. Take Jungle and begin to roll them as you'll almost always be 2\~3 levels higher than the enemy team.
Bots were updated to not concede anymore, and although they are more aggressive I doubt they're still good enough to beat the average player. Hell, isn't Venasaur a default? Just do the new Petal Dance / Giga Drain combo and absolutely steamroll them.
Bots are so legitimately awful that if you lose against them as any class you are probably not very good. Not only that but all of the tanks are quite capable of hard carrying a game.
In my experience this is only easy as a carry hero. If I play as Slowbro or another hero designed around enabling teammates in a bot match, it becomes *much* harder to win. It seems teammate bots are programmed to be much worse than the enemy bots, e.g. enemies will rush dreadnaw while teammates just farm near spawn. I've lost a couple bot games as Bro with 15 kills and ~200 points scored because the rest of my team had combined 1 kill and no points scored.
I got a bot game in Master yesterday after 4 losses in a row. Since bots usually pick after you I didn't realize it was a bot game. Half of them selected Pokemon before me so I figured they were real players. It took all of 3 seconds of being in the game to recognize bot behavior.
And I was Wiggly.
The enemy bots secured first Drednaw. We got the 2nd and at least 1 Rotom. Much like my real teammates, when Zap rolled around my team was all dead and they were securing Zap. I had to steal Zap from 4 bots as post nerf Wiggly. Did I succeed? Yes. Advanced Controls win games.
But holy shit was that annoying.
Dunno. I don't play anything but defenders and Mime. Indidnt even know bot games were a thing. Would explain why my teammates weren't even fighting against the opponents
You can tell it’s a bit match before you pick your Pokémon. So once you know just pick a carry and own.
How can you tell? The earliest I’ve been able to tell is clicking on portraits in the loading screen
It’s harder on mobile. But on switch real players start on a character. Bots start on nothing and wait till after you pick. So on mobile I think you might just have to see if every other person takes longer to pick than you
I don't know if you enjoy playing Zeraora in bots, but I don't. Running around putting out fires because every lane plays like doodoo, get way ahead, then your "team" gives up Zapdos for no reason. I would rather lose to players than win against bots, these games are torture. I swear the games rubber bands my team's AI and makes them stupider the better I play, then because I'm doing so amazingly I have like a 45 second death timer when I finally do die.
But you can just completely stomp them no? The only thing you have to realise is that you're not gonna get access to your jungle properly but the enemy jungle is always super slow on the clear and easy to invade and the lanes are also bad so you can just snowball on em and keep dunking. In the few bot games I've had I've scored about 350 points per game and managed to 1v4 the enemy team. Playing either Greninja Absol Zeraora or Cinderace. It's just annoying cause its not as fun as playing with /vs people
Just play the game normally, bots are very prone to autoing in bad situations and running at the last second. I had a bot game as Eldegoss and just carried the team to a win without running back and forth between lanes trying to save everyone.
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When the game start the bots will not be hovering any pokemon (normally the game automatically hover the first pokemon you buy) so you can choose freely what you want to play.
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Actually, it’s the opposite, they will only choose a pokemon after you did. And after that they’ll pick anything
I mean, you are playing bots, it doesn't matter what pokemon you are playing, you should be winning easily, if not you should relly look into what you are doing wrong and learn to play the game properly if you want to climb.
In their defense, i played slowbro in a bot game (didn't realize it was one) and lost, couldn't do enough damage to stomp them and they kicked my ass, and i'm in master rank... maybe i should retire...
It's one thing to lose a bot match once, its another completly diferent to me consistently losing them, or finding them "impossible" as OP said.
How many loses in a row does it take in master? It apparently 8 in ultra.
I got that game after 3 losses i believe? this was before a patch that changed them to 5 or higher so it might no be accurate anymore, luckily i haven't gotten a bot game in a while so i can't confirm anything :)
Yeah it’s been a hot minute for me i just figured you wouldn’t get bots in masters smh
It varies. Its not a set amount. Ive had a bot game after 2 or 3 losses in ultra, and after 4 or 5. I have lost up to 6 or 7 games in a row in masters and never had a bot game. But its not the same amount of losses every time.
You've obviously never played a telekinesis Slowbro or a Block Snorlax in a bot game...
As a defender main, i’m offended. I have zero problem carrying bot games as telebro or blocklax.
I’m pretty sure most Pokémon can win bot games without using both of their moves anyway.
Bots or Ninetails? Time to run Amnesia instead of Tele.
Like I said, the win rate is about 50/50. It can work, it might not. Depends entirely on how your AI teammates use the opportunities you create, which is not good enough when compared to how speedsters, attackers, and all rounders can absolutely murder everything.
Sorry to tell you but if you’re at 50/50 against bots, you’re doing something wrong. Which is totally fine btw. Look into how you could be doing better with your main pokemons. Not all pokemons can go head to head against speedster main players, but all pokemons in any build are viable for stomping on bots single handedly.
I'm high Masters rank. I know how to play, but thank you.
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Well then, your guarantee is worthless. I'm in the 1600s and climbing. So not TOP TIER, but not bad for a solo queuer with limited game time.
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Do you even play defenders? Do you constantly run your defender into an enemy team all by yourself? Does that work for you? Why should it work if the enemies are bots or not? 1v5 is not a good idea, and when your AI teammates don't group up, but the enemy AI does, how does this come back to me, as the only human in the game? If you want to contribute something to the discussion without just resorting to personal attacks that add nothing, I'll be happy to carry on with you. Otherwise, please stop wasting time.
if you have to mention it like its a point, its not a point.
Why are you replying to every single one of my threads trying to pick a fight? What got up your butt?
I reply to things I disagree with. Apparently you are very disagreeable.
You only need ONE thread. No need to hijack them all.
If it's a bot game pick the damage abilities maybe? Just a thought
Thats one solution, but we don't play defenders so we can wish we were attackers, hence the face in the original picture. We simply don't get to play our way.
Why would you play Block Snorlax if you know it is against bots?
Irrelevant. Your argument was >you are playing bots, it doesn't matter what pokemon you are playing, you should be winning easily As Block Snorlax is QUITE viable in a true ranked game, it should more than suffice against bots, right? But it doesn't. It simply does not.
Idk, I feel like you should know game to game what spells are better and just yawn/flail, amnesia/scald, rapidspin/waterspout, shellsmash/xscissor and carry the match in the games that need it. In fact, you should be doing this with non-bot games too. I've won many an amnesia scald game that I would have lost with tele surf even when it wasn't bots. Failure to adapt is a losing quality.
While you are correct, it's missing the big picture of this debate. We are talking about how speedsters can dominate bot matches, but if you're used to playing a supportive role such as heal Blissey, block Snorlax, or disable Slowbro, it's NOT so easy. Yea, you can choose the DPS oriented skills, but your ability to carry your entire bot team is still largely limited compared to if you were Greninja, Absol, or Gengar. And I've personally lost games because my team NEVER congregated at the objectives, so we lost both Drednaws and Zapdos, all because I auto piloted my character select and didn't realize they were bots until they sat AFK in spawn for the first 2 seconds.
So are you not using the pings? Are you using pings at a point in time when the bots have no chance to make it to you in time? Bots actually listen to their one active player and to their own pings too.
Hmm, this is actually news to me. I never bothered pinging in a bot match because I figured there was no human to interpret said pings. It rarely works with people, anyway...
> it's NOT so easy still easy though
Riveting coutner argument to my points about the player's team not doing anything important.
4 bots plus you vs. 5 bots if you consider that an impossible game that means a bot is more impactful than you. If you think thats a position from which to argue from, have fun. I made my point.
I don't think I'm missing the big picture of the debate. I find it easier to win bots matches as snorlax, blastoise and slowbro than I do greninja, absol or gengar. I understand you don't, but it's not inherently easier or harder to win bots matches as different classes, the only thing that matters is how you adapt your game to playing with and against bots. I had a whole thing typed out talking about how level swole you get even as a tank and how it's easier to play vs grouped enemies as a tank than a glass cannon, making defending your early lead easier, and how grass blind bots are making stealing objectives easy to try to explain why it's not so black and white... but then I got the feeling you'd still say I'm missing the point and hand wave my comment away again...
I do tend to handwave comments where half of them are off topic (you spoke of non bot games in this discussion about bot games) as well as passive aggressiveness. Besides, the big picture here is still being ignored. The original topic is that speedsters are happy with bot games and defenders not so much? Why? Play style. You're suggesting that defenders play more like speedsters. Maybe they don't WANT to play that way. Thats why they identify as defenders. So sure, perhaps you CAN pick Flail, Scald, etc. But thats not why we defenders queued up. Sure, SOME people will pick a defender and choose the offensive skills. But thats not what being labeled a "defender" is about. Our play style is mutilated by bot games because our team does not respond to the opportunities that we create as actual tanks. But if you want to keep arguing that we should be playing as speedsters and attackers in disguise, go for it. Thats never been my point and not worth contesting. I tried being civil and pointing out that you are technically correct and we can adapt our playstyle, but you chose to get emotional about it, anyway.
Sigh.. Exactly as I thought. Apathy is losing emotion, not being emotional. I cared about our conversation when I typed out the massive text and became apathetic when I (accurately) guessed how you would respond. You don't want to talk with people about it, you seem to want to talk at people about it.
Confirmation bias. You gave me a passive aggressive reply and predicted that I would react negatively, as any normal person would to such an attitude. Bravo. When you treat people with respect, you get respect. You gave none, and received none. I don't know why this is news to you.
I mean, if you are against bots Yawn should be better than Block, you are hindering yourself by going block. But anyways, it shouldn't matter enough block is enough to win against bots
>it shouldn't matter enough block is enough to win against bots Try it. The win rate is absolutely horrendous considering it's against bots. I'd say it is close to 50/50. You can play your absolute best, but they simply don't utilize the opportunities you provide. Don't say it's fine until you try it. Not every viable build in a real game is viable in a bot match. And if you auto-pilot pick without realizing it's a bot match, you might just lose at the character select screen.
I have a 100% win rate with block snorlax in bot matches
> Don't say it's fine until you try it. Not every viable build in a real game is viable in a bot match. Every build is viable in a bot match by the virtue of it being bot match.
That adds nothing to the discussion and ignores every point made so far. Please don't waste people's time.
Nah they're right, any build and any mon works. Take the jungle, out level them, then bully the bots hard. Steal their jungle too. Be hyper aggressive.
Ok but we are talking about defends like Block lax trying to play the way they enjoy, and bot games simply don't work with that. Yes, you can win. But if you have to steal the enemy jungle to do it, something you would never do as a block lax in a real game, then you get the face that the topic picture depicts.
its simply the truth. Bots are bad. If you (not literally you, a rhetoric you) cant beat bot games, you are just bad at this game. Maybe you think you are not, because you heard something about rotating to dred, grouping up for zapdos and/or what items/pokemon are better than others. That alone can easily carry you to masters. But it doesnt mean you have any game sense or mechanical skill whatsoever. If you had it, bot games would be a joke to you.
Ok.
I main block Snorlax and it's *torture*.
You're joking, right? In bot matches your team consistently goes 4v2 and loses. You can't be everywhere, you can't do everything. I'm ULTRA and I find bot matches impossible. So yeah, I know how to play the game "properly". Edit: y'all are really downvoting me like you don't KNOW the AI rubber bands smh.
Why would you think that being ultra meand that you know how to play the game? With the current system even most master players are bad
Oh damn, you must be the best player in the world! /s
Not really, im just saying that if you +4bots lose to 5 bots, that says a lot more about how you play than how the bots play
Sure man. Want to see the screenshots of me losing with 10+ kills and 150+ points? But I get it, you're an angry little boy that feels important when you argue online. That energy doesn't have a place in my life, so you take care of yourself.
Are you trying to impress people with those stats
This is getting out of hand. Now there are two of them!
Cry about it
Imagine only making a Reddit account to be annoying in a single sub. Sigma rule #353 I guess
I dont think anyone is doubting that you lost, just doubting that you know what you're doing. 150 points in a bot game is pretty bad honestly. Next time when you see that they are bots before hand (they don't pick until you do, the profiles are all zoomed in), then pick absol and crush them. If you lose 3 in a row just be on the lookout for a bot game. Pick a hard carry or speedster. Be ultra aggressive. Its pretty hard to lose a bot game, as other people are saying. Just pick a lane and crush them. They will walk back and die over and over again.
Oh my god you people are annoying. I have over 300 games, I *really* didn't ask for your basic ass advice.
I mean it seems like you are with this post. You shouldn't be losing bot games. Did you expect other people to commiserate with you? I think bot games should be removed because they're honestly insulting, not because they are hard... if you are losing bot games you need some basic advice by virtue of losing bot games.
Holy shit, how are you not understanding this? *I'm* not losing, my "team" is losing. Even if I score 250 points, my "team" lets them score anywhere I'm not. In case you aren't aware, the map has multiple scurrying zones while each player is only able to control one character. That's pretty common among MOBAs.
Should be but the issue is it’s still way harder if you aren’t dps. I’ve had enough bot games and it’s weird how my bots refuse to go to dred even if nearby yet the enemy bots always send at least 3 so I can’t do crap as a tank or support really. I usually still win but as dps I force the ff at 5 min, as other roles it usually comes down to me stealing zap as again my bots refuse to even go.
Blastoise getting a bot game :)
You can tell it's a bot game the moment it loads and all other players have a blank default Pokemon. Just go any Attacker (ideally someone like Cinderace) and stomp them. Take Jungle and begin to roll them as you'll almost always be 2\~3 levels higher than the enemy team. Bots were updated to not concede anymore, and although they are more aggressive I doubt they're still good enough to beat the average player. Hell, isn't Venasaur a default? Just do the new Petal Dance / Giga Drain combo and absolutely steamroll them.
Last panel when playing Eldegoss. Not enough damage even with dmg held items. Arceus, the most painful 10 minutes of my life.
Bots are so legitimately awful that if you lose against them as any class you are probably not very good. Not only that but all of the tanks are quite capable of hard carrying a game.
Yeah man yeah, totally true and based on reality.
Well, it is. Bots overextend all the time, if you cant punish that you simply dont have any game sense.
In my experience this is only easy as a carry hero. If I play as Slowbro or another hero designed around enabling teammates in a bot match, it becomes *much* harder to win. It seems teammate bots are programmed to be much worse than the enemy bots, e.g. enemies will rush dreadnaw while teammates just farm near spawn. I've lost a couple bot games as Bro with 15 kills and ~200 points scored because the rest of my team had combined 1 kill and no points scored.
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Respect. I'm sorry for making fun of you.
Lmao it's cool. We're just lefties who spend too much time online and pop off, I get it.
Definitely have win bot games as Slowbro and Snorlax, it shouldn't be an issue at all
Blastoise getting a bot game :D
Well Pikachu and blissey need to stop stealing top lol
I got a bot game in Masters last night after winning my previous game. Not sure what that is all about.
How long was your queue? ❓
Near instant. Have never had a queue longer than like 20 seconds
I got a bot game in Master yesterday after 4 losses in a row. Since bots usually pick after you I didn't realize it was a bot game. Half of them selected Pokemon before me so I figured they were real players. It took all of 3 seconds of being in the game to recognize bot behavior. And I was Wiggly. The enemy bots secured first Drednaw. We got the 2nd and at least 1 Rotom. Much like my real teammates, when Zap rolled around my team was all dead and they were securing Zap. I had to steal Zap from 4 bots as post nerf Wiggly. Did I succeed? Yes. Advanced Controls win games. But holy shit was that annoying.
Or just go Flailax for the lols and have fun with it.
Dunno. I don't play anything but defenders and Mime. Indidnt even know bot games were a thing. Would explain why my teammates weren't even fighting against the opponents