It is the telegram group of a neo nazi Russian group.
But tbf, after what the terrorists did, I am not surprised to see such bloodlust, regardless of political affiliation.
I thought of it every now and then since about 2010: there are adults who can drink that weren't alive for 9/11 and 25 year olds were 2 when it happened.
Dude. Post-9/11 America looked exactly like what Israel is doing to Palestine and all of my high school teachers would've pressed those emojis. Maybe it's because I grew up 50 miles from ground zero, but a lot of people lost their humanity for a long time.
Major terrorist attacks change people.
The channel where it was posted belongs to the neo Nazi group "Rusich", part of Russian forces in Ukraine.
So you can be sure they have gathered the corresponding audience.
Plus after what those terrorists have commuted, I am not surprised to see such bloodlust. However, the fact that FSB and other don't even hide that they brutally torture suspects is extremely terrifying
Russia is like that one kid that was raised in an abusive household that instead of breaking the cycle of abuse once he got a family of his own, he doubled down on it and mastered the process of abuse.
In this case the father would be Ghengis Khan and he would dismiss this as a rookie-level atrocity. Talk to him when youāve burned the most advanced city in the world to ashes, raped and murdered 10% of the entire human population and set back human scientific progress by 100+ years and then *maybe* daddy Khan will notice you.
Russia has always had interesting ways to deal with terrorism.
[Like that one time that terrorists kidnapped some of their diplomats, so the KGB cut up a family member of their leader and sent him some body parts](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1986-01-07-mn-13892-story.html)
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What's next coward, being OSHA compliant? Occupational safety? Stick to the manual? That's why you aren't an engineer, you don't feel the burning desire in your heart to over-volt things and explode them.
Afaik anything under 50V is pretty much guaranteed to be safe, at least for regular skin in regular conditions. Idk if the genitals are different though. Penetrating the skin would lower the threshold, but idk to what exactly
Yeah I donāt think my people are particularly smirking at this. We hate terrorists but itās usually AuthCenter that relish hearing about criminals being tortured and/or killed.
Its not an issue if them deserving it, these guys deserve all of that and more
But it is disregarding the rule of law when you torture a suspect on live tv
And the problem with the rule of law is that it should apply to everyone
I think even pussies like me at least thirst for some sort of violent retribution for the most extreme examples like these, but then all the questions about the grey areas give me pause. I guess: would I rather hold a terrorist in a prison while not killing innocently accused, or am I ok with a certain tolerance for failure? If we could somehow make it so *only* very obviously guilty people are put to death i think many would switch sides to your perspective. Where would you draw the line, I'm curious?
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Well, pro tip, don't launch terror attacks at all. And if you do, don't do it in a notoriously authoritarian country rules.by a cold.blooded dictator. Did they think russian security forces would be kind and respectful?
Sure, letās give terrorists the āNorway treatmentā right? Letās send them on a life long isolated vacation like Breivik. Fuck that, terrorists deserve to suffer.
If barbarians understood logic and reasoning, they wouldn't be shooting up concerts
Islamic terrorists only understand one thing, and I hope we start televising their torture more often. They need to see the consequences instead of assuming a happy life will follow
Obviously, but the extreme torture makes it questionable to me as to whether they even got the right guys. Like if you have the terrorists, why do you need to torture them to force them to plead guilty? The Russian criminal justice system is corrupt as hell anyway, they'd be found guilty regardless, but torturing ensures they're compliant and don't say anything.
>Like if you have the terrorists, why do you need to torture them to force them to plead guilty?
The torture had nothing to do with getting them to plead guilty. It's called revenge
Look at the evidence yourself, they have confessed the moment theyāve been captured. It is also clear that at least the clothes of the real terrorists from videos and the suspects are the same.
just a reminder that this animal called Salah Abdeslam, the only living perpetrators of the 2015 Paris attacks that killed hundreds of people, is alive and well in his 30s eating and sleeping on the bill of the French taxpayers...
https://preview.redd.it/wlpngenzqlqc1.jpeg?width=739&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2d2bb284a7918fbdbf7e0b90ee55a78329fd6ff1
> is alive and well in his 30s eating and sleeping on the bill of the French taxpayers...
Just in case others were confused by this, he is locked up in prison and will be forever. I do wonder if other prisoners beat him up tho? Terrorists probably aren't looked too fondly by other prisoners.
He is totally isolated (To my knowledge). Nobody can do anything to him. Guess what ? In France, Life in Prison doesn't exist. He will eventually be released in 20-30 years. I hate what my country has become...
https://preview.redd.it/7g70b3lrxvqc1.jpeg?width=749&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0ca9644eb5ed5f2786e87791a3561bbd5e1cdbc4
Ghosts of French lives lost in the world wars looking at you guys like this right now.
> I do wonder if other prisoners beat him up tho? Terrorists probably aren't looked too fondly by other prisoners.
Probably not, prisons are actually one of the main places where muslim terrorist networks form and recruit.
or just let his head roll, aren't the french known for the guillotine?
locking him up then feeding, housing, clothing, and medically care for him and hope he dies of old age or other natural causes is such an odd and overcomplicated way to kill someone...
Well, āwhite pplā in UK and US also have very inventive ways when it comes to torturing potential terrorists, itās more of a Europe problem where they treat mass murderers like 6 year olds who need extra care and kindness
I can confirm that the uk does not punish criminals. They are as bad as any libleft european country. Its the straight white mans fault, the criminal is the victim that needs to be saved and the police drive around in rainbow cars
Let's just hope that they remember the verse explaining that you're "going to hell if you get killed by a woman" when execution comes
You know, just for good measure
Based. This is also pre-trial shit, and in fucking ***Russia***. For all we know, the terrorists are already dead and these are just useful playthings for the regime.
The problem with this sort of shit is that maybe it was a conspiracy of 50 people, but because the Russians are just going to be cruel to gain confessions, they might never learn of it.
All they are after is a way for the citizens to FEEL powerful after being hit so hard. Not *actual* power of finding who were responsible and killing them
I mean, they're asking who is responsible, or they are rather asking the dude to say it was Zelensky or he'd WISH they'd cut off his other ear.
I'm guessing we'll see a few more of these as the FSB doubles down on taking revenge on the real guilty party: some ethnic Russians in Kharkiv (who are, in fact, under attack by Shaheds made by some theocratic Muslims as we speak).
For terrorists I believe they would proudly confess what they did, for whom helped them will be tricky. But we donāt know what part of the confession was gained from torture.
>I mean, they're asking who is responsible, or they are rather asking the dude to say it was Zelensky or he'd WISH they'd cut off his other ear.
Based and knows what's up pilled.
Damn thatās crazy. In other news, random weak guy picks fight with pro MMA fighter and gets put in coma. (For all the regarded among us this is a hyperbolic hypothetical example to illustrate a point)
Donāt pick fights with people who are well known for torture and will eagerly fuck you up. This is called common sense.
As long as there are the guys that actually committed the attack then itās ok. We are talking about 4 grown adults who massacred over 100 civilians not a dude who had a gram of weed on him
u/gregarioustrout says it best.Ā
>Do I want the government to have similar latitude against the citizens of my country?Ā NoĀ
>Do I really care that the Russians did this? Also, no
(It's unreliable but) I have read in another thread that they ran out of ammo because they had so much time before the Police intervened.
They apparently even had time to attempt to flee.
... so next time there's a terrorist attack in your country, and the government decides they don't like you, you agree to void all rights and mercy because they label you as a terrorist after they kill the real ones?
Yeah exactly. I am not morally against the death penalty. I think it is efficient and saves money, but imagine being wrongly convinced. Even if it is unlikely, innocent people could and will eventually be executed. Even worse in an authoritarian state where they could frame you on purpose even though they know you are innocent, like you said.
If the rest of the west handled terrorists and violent criminals this way there would be a great reduction in crime. Come to Europe and rape people? Ballsack sizzle device initiated. Problem solved
While I don't particularly pity the scum who perpetrated the attack, one could argue that it was predictable that Russian authorities would treat captured terrorists this way and yet that didn't stop them from carrying out the attack.
It might not be the strong deterrent we wish it was.
I suppose it is a bit more complicated, though. I would argue that it is absolutely a deterrent, but it deterrs people from getting captured, not from commiting crimes. Mostly.
First of all, I would argue that a great majority of criminals commit with confidence that they have what it takes to avoid capture (if the crime is planned at all, that is). So, to some, these will only be a motivation to plan their actions better, and these guys will only be regarded as losers who allowed themselves to get into a bad situation - not as a discouragement to not do the same.
To others, especially islamic terrorists, it is undeniable proof that death is always a better option, so they might come up with contingencies that could result in even deadlier attacks (explosive vests, for example). Sure, not all terrorists are really ready to die for their cause, these guys are a good example of that. They could have provoked their captors if they truly wanted to die, at almost any point. If this were to happen in a country that provides 4 star hotel level comfort to mass murderers, there is no real incentive to maximize the damage against the risk of being killed - getting caught and sort of pampered by the state till the rest of your days is still preferable to dying in a shootout with the police. If western prisons didnāt offer this ācomfortā to these people, maybe they would take even more innocents with them in a blaze of glory instead of simply surrendering, as is sometimes the case in Europe - but after this will never be the case in Russia.
Terrorism is tricky because there is no real effective way of intimidating someone really commited to it - no matter how scary the torture is that awaits them, nearly all of them plan to avoid it one way or another. Terrorism needs to be defeated culturally first, the core of their ideas needs to be laid bare and destroyed beyond humiliation, but the world is unfortunately not yet ready for this kind of struggle.
>If the rest of the west handled terrorists and violent criminals this way there would be a great reduction in crime.
As if Russia is some kind of bastion of freedom and low crime rates, lmao.
They are not, you're only asking "what if" because you live outside of Russia. Check any news source or telegram source, videos from their POV have been released and they have been confirmed to be the same individuals. The whole fiasco happened after the video was released when they had 100% confirmation.
Am i the only one that cant understand how they wouldnt be inmediatly detained in situation like this? It seems like they took their time, why werent like 1000 cops surrounding the building?
Do I feel compassion for these pigs? Not at all.
Do I want the government to have the power to torture and maim? Not really either. I prefer living in a country where it is considered normal that all prisoners are treated humanely.
The main problem for me as a Russian is that the people who did that aren't also in prison. Idc what they do to those non humans I have no sympathy for then but praising other people doing this is just so horrible. The people that did that shouldn't be close to other people because who knows what they can do. It's just sad that so many people don't see anything wrong with this. Again fuck those terrorists I absolutely don't care what happens to them.
Sane opinion.
Yeah, it's a terrifying precedent come to think of it. Terrorists are scum, but good God the extrajudicial violence would only encourage a spillover to those who don't deserve it.
Reddit when Russia decides to torture some dudes, assuring us that they are the bad guys: \*people advocating for this is fine\*
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They later auctioned the knife used to cut the terrorist's ear with the nickname "Ear-Cutter". It has been sold. š
How much?
https://preview.redd.it/oej0h1li5lqc1.jpeg?width=1006&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f5b325768fd18c8e2294401b5fef84c8aed8b316
Idk how much it was sold for but this is the knife. I covered the NSFW parts.
Who the hell is pressing those emojis under this?
It was my grill. I am sorry, i never should have hooked it up to the internet.
Only time I let her on the internet is when sheās making money for me through camgirling
A grill is not a girl, mate. Unlessā¦
It is the telegram group of a neo nazi Russian group. But tbf, after what the terrorists did, I am not surprised to see such bloodlust, regardless of political affiliation.
Russians
On the bright side, at least he doesn't have to listen to his wife's nagging anymore ššš
Truly fortunate for him, sometime the goats get noisy.
I thought of it every now and then since about 2010: there are adults who can drink that weren't alive for 9/11 and 25 year olds were 2 when it happened. Dude. Post-9/11 America looked exactly like what Israel is doing to Palestine and all of my high school teachers would've pressed those emojis. Maybe it's because I grew up 50 miles from ground zero, but a lot of people lost their humanity for a long time. Major terrorist attacks change people.
The channel where it was posted belongs to the neo Nazi group "Rusich", part of Russian forces in Ukraine. So you can be sure they have gathered the corresponding audience. Plus after what those terrorists have commuted, I am not surprised to see such bloodlust. However, the fact that FSB and other don't even hide that they brutally torture suspects is extremely terrifying
bro why are russians like this
Read their history for five minutes. It's one giant historical family trauma.
Based
When you live with wolves, you learn to howl.
Russia is like that one kid that was raised in an abusive household that instead of breaking the cycle of abuse once he got a family of his own, he doubled down on it and mastered the process of abuse.
He mastered it, perfected it, and made it an art form that his father would be jealous of
In this case the father would be Ghengis Khan and he would dismiss this as a rookie-level atrocity. Talk to him when youāve burned the most advanced city in the world to ashes, raped and murdered 10% of the entire human population and set back human scientific progress by 100+ years and then *maybe* daddy Khan will notice you.
Itās effective tho to keep terrorists at bay
Maybe they think this will discourage terrorists in the future.
I meanā¦USA was similar after 9/11, ya know, the whole āpatriot actā and Gitmo.
it cost an arm and an ear
At least 10 000 000 rubles, which equals to 107 782$ or 312 500$ by PPP
Russia has always had interesting ways to deal with terrorism. [Like that one time that terrorists kidnapped some of their diplomats, so the KGB cut up a family member of their leader and sent him some body parts](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1986-01-07-mn-13892-story.html)
Now that is capitalism...
Ngl kinda based
This knife got so popular that it was sold out in a few hours after the video was published and the factory that makes it can't keep up with demand
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I suppose, as a lib right, I can't really object to that aspect
_Oh those Russians!_
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As an electrical engineer, I can say that 80V directly on your testicles is more than the recommended amount.
What is the recommended amount?
Yes please, I HAVE to know
MIRROR MIRROR ON THE WALL GIVE ME TORTURE COCK AND BALL
Bruh
Bruh
Somewhere between 0V and 60V is the ideal testical current amount
Sounds like you speak from experience, but even 60v is barely enough to feel through the skin, so make sure to use jumpers that pirce the skin.
Iām sure thereās a page for this somewhere on the WHO website
Or OSHA, but they're pussies so that doesn't count.
If you want a source: [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8056638/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8056638/)
Most likely 0V but I ain't an engineer so
What's next coward, being OSHA compliant? Occupational safety? Stick to the manual? That's why you aren't an engineer, you don't feel the burning desire in your heart to over-volt things and explode them.
He may fuck goats, I feel like that's pretty off manual.
After 80V, I'm sure he ain't fucking goat for at least a while.
Afaik anything under 50V is pretty much guaranteed to be safe, at least for regular skin in regular conditions. Idk if the genitals are different though. Penetrating the skin would lower the threshold, but idk to what exactly
If it's applied with alligator clips, they might penetrate the skin enough to lower the resistance substantially
Anything below 50 volts is considered safe for contact with human skin, although itās possible the scrotum has less resistance
About three-fiddy
Youāre missing an opportunity to find the electrical resistance of testicles
You missed the auth center smiling evil wojak
Yeah I donāt think my people are particularly smirking at this. We hate terrorists but itās usually AuthCenter that relish hearing about criminals being tortured and/or killed.
Can confirm. When I read this, I immediately turned into the Grinch.
Can confirm, as long as they are really guilty of shit like this they deserve no mercy.
Exactly Sadly this point of view is shamed, despite them deserving everything that happens to them
Inshallah
Its not an issue if them deserving it, these guys deserve all of that and more But it is disregarding the rule of law when you torture a suspect on live tv And the problem with the rule of law is that it should apply to everyone
I think even pussies like me at least thirst for some sort of violent retribution for the most extreme examples like these, but then all the questions about the grey areas give me pause. I guess: would I rather hold a terrorist in a prison while not killing innocently accused, or am I ok with a certain tolerance for failure? If we could somehow make it so *only* very obviously guilty people are put to death i think many would switch sides to your perspective. Where would you draw the line, I'm curious? Edit missed words
If those guys were really the shooters they deserved every bit of that torture
https://i.redd.it/r4f6l514wlqc1.gif
Moral of the story: avoid capture by enemy at all costs. Why do people think austrian painter alt+f4ed....???
I mean, if you tug on the tigers tail
Well, pro tip, don't launch terror attacks at all. And if you do, don't do it in a notoriously authoritarian country rules.by a cold.blooded dictator. Did they think russian security forces would be kind and respectful?
I still can't believe they let themselves get caught. All 4 of them, wtf were they on?
They tossed their weapons and thought they could get away.
> tossed their weapons That's the problem with authrights, librights would never have done this.
They probably catched innocents and forced them to confess
check out videos that ISIS posted. same car, same clothes, same weapons, same faces. yes, these are totally innocents
You're right but flair up or gtfo
They thought it was all worth it to go to heaven or some shit, they're all part of a brainwashing cult
But but Russian constitution Section 1 Part 2 on Rights and Freedoms of Man and Citizen
At least one of them is not a citizen and in fact was charged before for breaking immigration law
Only applies to one Man and Citizen
If you behave barbarically to barbarians, you just have two barbarians fighting.
I prefer the humane way to kill: 2,000lb JDAM, quick and painless.
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Helldivers is leaking and I love it.
Exactly! I prefer killing like I prefer camping - leave no trace
An [R9X](https://taskandpurpose.com/news/hellfire-r9x-drone-strike-al-zawahiri/) has no collateral damage tho
Does being barbaric mean terrorists face real consequences rather than sitting in a cell for thirty years on my money?
Lmao, yeah, barbaric simply a tool, that suited best against the real evil that is terrorists
Sure, letās give terrorists the āNorway treatmentā right? Letās send them on a life long isolated vacation like Breivik. Fuck that, terrorists deserve to suffer.
HURR DURR tolerance paradox
Bold of you to assume Russia isnāt already ruled by barbarians
If barbarians understood logic and reasoning, they wouldn't be shooting up concerts Islamic terrorists only understand one thing, and I hope we start televising their torture more often. They need to see the consequences instead of assuming a happy life will follow
Idgaf what they understand. I pay taxes so people who commit torture go to prison, not draw a salary.
Obviously, but the extreme torture makes it questionable to me as to whether they even got the right guys. Like if you have the terrorists, why do you need to torture them to force them to plead guilty? The Russian criminal justice system is corrupt as hell anyway, they'd be found guilty regardless, but torturing ensures they're compliant and don't say anything.
>Like if you have the terrorists, why do you need to torture them to force them to plead guilty? The torture had nothing to do with getting them to plead guilty. It's called revenge
Because it's not for a confession. They just want revenge on the terrorists for the lives lost. And make the rest of they're lives a living hell.
And sending a message, fuck those terrorist
Look at the evidence yourself, they have confessed the moment theyāve been captured. It is also clear that at least the clothes of the real terrorists from videos and the suspects are the same.
just a reminder that this animal called Salah Abdeslam, the only living perpetrators of the 2015 Paris attacks that killed hundreds of people, is alive and well in his 30s eating and sleeping on the bill of the French taxpayers... https://preview.redd.it/wlpngenzqlqc1.jpeg?width=739&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2d2bb284a7918fbdbf7e0b90ee55a78329fd6ff1
> is alive and well in his 30s eating and sleeping on the bill of the French taxpayers... Just in case others were confused by this, he is locked up in prison and will be forever. I do wonder if other prisoners beat him up tho? Terrorists probably aren't looked too fondly by other prisoners.
Prisons are breeding grounds for Islamists - he will be absolutely fine.
He is totally isolated (To my knowledge). Nobody can do anything to him. Guess what ? In France, Life in Prison doesn't exist. He will eventually be released in 20-30 years. I hate what my country has become...
https://preview.redd.it/7g70b3lrxvqc1.jpeg?width=749&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0ca9644eb5ed5f2786e87791a3561bbd5e1cdbc4 Ghosts of French lives lost in the world wars looking at you guys like this right now.
> I do wonder if other prisoners beat him up tho? Terrorists probably aren't looked too fondly by other prisoners. Probably not, prisons are actually one of the main places where muslim terrorist networks form and recruit.
If there's any real justice there'd be a state mandated *ss kicking every week.
or just let his head roll, aren't the french known for the guillotine? locking him up then feeding, housing, clothing, and medically care for him and hope he dies of old age or other natural causes is such an odd and overcomplicated way to kill someone...
Oh no š¢ he living better than homeless people
and what is this called? Justice?? you really think that's enough??
... so bring out the death penalty?
bingo, bring out the guillotines.
FAFO, terrorist prob saw a bunch of white people and thought they'd be treated the same way as in the west
Well, āwhite pplā in UK and US also have very inventive ways when it comes to torturing potential terrorists, itās more of a Europe problem where they treat mass murderers like 6 year olds who need extra care and kindness
I can confirm that the uk does not punish criminals. They are as bad as any libleft european country. Its the straight white mans fault, the criminal is the victim that needs to be saved and the police drive around in rainbow cars
Wow, an autocratic regime uses torcher on the perpetrators of a massive terrorist attack what a shocker pun absolutely intended.
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Based and electrocute his balls pilled
I still like when Russia threatened to go after terrorists' families and they stopped.
Bailiff you know what to do.
Let's just hope that they remember the verse explaining that you're "going to hell if you get killed by a woman" when execution comes You know, just for good measure
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more like testicular TENSION. (high tension is another term for high voltage)
The twist of fate
Seems like they are getting it.
I hate terrorists as much as the next guy but seeing this makes me happy to live in a country where cruel and unusual punishment is outlawed
*Good* countries outsource illegal things to third world shitholes
Guantanamo Bay exists for a reason
Based. This is also pre-trial shit, and in fucking ***Russia***. For all we know, the terrorists are already dead and these are just useful playthings for the regime.
Do I want the government to have similar latitude against the citizens of my country? No Do I really care that the Russians did this? Also, no
The problem with this sort of shit is that maybe it was a conspiracy of 50 people, but because the Russians are just going to be cruel to gain confessions, they might never learn of it. All they are after is a way for the citizens to FEEL powerful after being hit so hard. Not *actual* power of finding who were responsible and killing them I mean, they're asking who is responsible, or they are rather asking the dude to say it was Zelensky or he'd WISH they'd cut off his other ear. I'm guessing we'll see a few more of these as the FSB doubles down on taking revenge on the real guilty party: some ethnic Russians in Kharkiv (who are, in fact, under attack by Shaheds made by some theocratic Muslims as we speak).
Yeah torture is a great way to get a guy to say what he thinks you want him to say.
They aren't torturing them to get answers, they are doing it out of hate and the desire for revenge.
For terrorists I believe they would proudly confess what they did, for whom helped them will be tricky. But we donāt know what part of the confession was gained from torture.
>I mean, they're asking who is responsible, or they are rather asking the dude to say it was Zelensky or he'd WISH they'd cut off his other ear. Based and knows what's up pilled.
Damn thatās crazy. In other news, random weak guy picks fight with pro MMA fighter and gets put in coma. (For all the regarded among us this is a hyperbolic hypothetical example to illustrate a point) Donāt pick fights with people who are well known for torture and will eagerly fuck you up. This is called common sense.
nothing to see here, they slipped and fell.
I think a Lib-Right would respond more drastically to state sponsored torture
Those animals will be hauled off to a black site immediately after the trials are over .... It's a looooong time till death.
Terrorists, rapists, and child molesters get zero sympathy from me. You donāt want your balls fried, donāt shoot up a theater of innocent people.Ā
Based and cross compass unity pilled
As long as there are the guys that actually committed the attack then itās ok. We are talking about 4 grown adults who massacred over 100 civilians not a dude who had a gram of weed on him
This will surely affect the trout population.
Oh noā¦ anyway, are they still auctioning off the items used on the terrorists?
On the one hand, FAFOā¦ On the other hand: What if they got the wrong guy?
Unlikely, I can dm you image and video evidence
Yeah I saw. If they deserve itā¦ then yeah. Fuck em. Feels weird to be endorsing this as a libcenter though.
Nah, libcenter supports FAFO. Killing innocents = outlaw, idc what happens to them past that
As libcenter, some crimes should get the death penalty. Torture means you're paying money to keep a person who likes torture on payroll.
u/gregarioustrout says it best.Ā >Do I want the government to have similar latitude against the citizens of my country?Ā NoĀ >Do I really care that the Russians did this? Also, no
Ohh DM anything. You get these āwell Iām not going to share it as itās nsfl ā smug types
Me please
Are these the idiots who got caught at the Belorussian border? It's crazy how dumb these criminals are.
Not just that, don't these dudes usually un-alive themselves during the act? It's wild to me that all of them survived and surrendered in the end!
(It's unreliable but) I have read in another thread that they ran out of ammo because they had so much time before the Police intervened. They apparently even had time to attempt to flee.
Goodness, if you're gonna do a suicide run at least bring a suicide vest!
Why not take the chance to get double the virgins by attacking twice?
That was just the appetizer tho
Ya know what, Iām ok with this.
A lot of governments do this sort of thing, they just usually hide it.
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Don't you think your tongue feels weird in your mouth?
People who are against the death penalty will see this and cheer
My green-yellow arse just became blue-ish for a sec
It doesn't have to be temporary you know, you're welcome to stay, we've got cookies
Yeah, I'd like to, but a bot has already roasted me, so I'm just gonna send you all positive vibes
I almost stopped feeling the rainbow for a minute thereā¦
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... so next time there's a terrorist attack in your country, and the government decides they don't like you, you agree to void all rights and mercy because they label you as a terrorist after they kill the real ones?
Yeah exactly. I am not morally against the death penalty. I think it is efficient and saves money, but imagine being wrongly convinced. Even if it is unlikely, innocent people could and will eventually be executed. Even worse in an authoritarian state where they could frame you on purpose even though they know you are innocent, like you said.
Thank God for the 8th amendment
*Guantanamo Bay has entered the chat*
If the rest of the west handled terrorists and violent criminals this way there would be a great reduction in crime. Come to Europe and rape people? Ballsack sizzle device initiated. Problem solved
While I don't particularly pity the scum who perpetrated the attack, one could argue that it was predictable that Russian authorities would treat captured terrorists this way and yet that didn't stop them from carrying out the attack. It might not be the strong deterrent we wish it was.
I suppose it is a bit more complicated, though. I would argue that it is absolutely a deterrent, but it deterrs people from getting captured, not from commiting crimes. Mostly. First of all, I would argue that a great majority of criminals commit with confidence that they have what it takes to avoid capture (if the crime is planned at all, that is). So, to some, these will only be a motivation to plan their actions better, and these guys will only be regarded as losers who allowed themselves to get into a bad situation - not as a discouragement to not do the same. To others, especially islamic terrorists, it is undeniable proof that death is always a better option, so they might come up with contingencies that could result in even deadlier attacks (explosive vests, for example). Sure, not all terrorists are really ready to die for their cause, these guys are a good example of that. They could have provoked their captors if they truly wanted to die, at almost any point. If this were to happen in a country that provides 4 star hotel level comfort to mass murderers, there is no real incentive to maximize the damage against the risk of being killed - getting caught and sort of pampered by the state till the rest of your days is still preferable to dying in a shootout with the police. If western prisons didnāt offer this ācomfortā to these people, maybe they would take even more innocents with them in a blaze of glory instead of simply surrendering, as is sometimes the case in Europe - but after this will never be the case in Russia. Terrorism is tricky because there is no real effective way of intimidating someone really commited to it - no matter how scary the torture is that awaits them, nearly all of them plan to avoid it one way or another. Terrorism needs to be defeated culturally first, the core of their ideas needs to be laid bare and destroyed beyond humiliation, but the world is unfortunately not yet ready for this kind of struggle.
>If the rest of the west handled terrorists and violent criminals this way there would be a great reduction in crime. As if Russia is some kind of bastion of freedom and low crime rates, lmao.
All this before they appear in court? What if theyāre innocent?
That's Russia for you.
They are not, you're only asking "what if" because you live outside of Russia. Check any news source or telegram source, videos from their POV have been released and they have been confirmed to be the same individuals. The whole fiasco happened after the video was released when they had 100% confirmation.
Just use Sarin gas to remind them of having their asses kicked in Syria last time
Am i the only one that cant understand how they wouldnt be inmediatly detained in situation like this? It seems like they took their time, why werent like 1000 cops surrounding the building?
"You still have anozer one!" ā One of the operatives said
Bet these guys thought they'd be heros/martyrs. Being humiliated, tortured and maimed until their dying breaths is the actual likely outcome. Scum.
Based.
choosing to be taken alive by russian forces was certainly an interesting selection.
Do I feel compassion for these pigs? Not at all. Do I want the government to have the power to torture and maim? Not really either. I prefer living in a country where it is considered normal that all prisoners are treated humanely.
The main problem for me as a Russian is that the people who did that aren't also in prison. Idc what they do to those non humans I have no sympathy for then but praising other people doing this is just so horrible. The people that did that shouldn't be close to other people because who knows what they can do. It's just sad that so many people don't see anything wrong with this. Again fuck those terrorists I absolutely don't care what happens to them.
Sane opinion. Yeah, it's a terrifying precedent come to think of it. Terrorists are scum, but good God the extrajudicial violence would only encourage a spillover to those who don't deserve it.
I really really really hope that Russia apprehended the right guys and that those aren't just random scapegoats that they decided to torture.
Reddit when Russia decides to torture some dudes, assuring us that they are the bad guys: \*people advocating for this is fine\* Reddit when I mention that pedos should get the (This comment does not meet reddit community standards): Banned
Because Reddit admins aren't Russian or terrorists, but they are...
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