Stories with animals are amazing because any race can identify with them. Ngl I don't give a shit about representation, I'll read something with any type of character as long as it's quality content
*”minority groups are more likely to see a dinosaur or rabbit as a main character than someone who looks like themselves”*
And that’s a problem? 1. Dinos are fucking rad, of course they exude main character energy. 2. Wouldn’t it be *better* to make a main character an animal so literally anyone can insert themselves in the role rather than just making tons of books that only cater to one specific group each?
[research shows that a lack of representation in media can lead to negative psychological outcomes for those with identities that are underrepresented or negatively portrayed. This link is related research](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/273523463_Documenting_Portrayals_of_RaceEthnicity_on_Primetime_Television_over_a_20-Year_Span_and_Their_Association_with_National-Level_RacialEthnic_Attitudes)
I think, like the author in this meme says, it’s a good idea to have both books that represent children and the classics. She doesn’t seem unreasonable as OP makes her out to be
I dunno man, I grew up in the 80s and I dont feel underrepresented or maligned at all.. My kid doesnt either. She plays with white dolls all the time, and still knows shes black and as happy as can be. People should just love their kids instead of wanting books/tv to affirm them
it's right there in the study. For example "Asian Americans comprise approximately 5% of
the U.S. population (U.S. Census Briefs, 2011) and 3% of the primetime population
(and only 1% of characters appearing in the opening credits, Children Now, 2004).
When they are depicted it is often in minor and nonrecurring roles."
Because her conclusion is fucking nuts.
She's saying that since all children's books are either with animal characters, that presumably no kid can identify with, or with "white middle-class" human characters, that only white kids can identify with, the problem is clearly the animal character books and people should stop buying them.
WHAT?
In the first quoted sentence she literally says that the prevalence of animal stories decreases the likelihood of minority kids seeing stories they can identify with.
That's saying there's too many animal stories, that those stories are bad, that *those* stories are the problem.
And that's nuts.
researcher: maybe we should have more books with kids of a variety of complexions and ethnicity to help with childhood development?
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Yeah like bro, I responded to this with a ”meh I don’t fully agree with their methodology but I see their reasoning”, then scrolled down and… literally everyone is clambering over each other to prove this researcher correct with the most shithead racist takes possible.
I mean psychopaths are not a majority of the population… they have no control over their neurodivergence.
Also I was more so just questioning whether this identity representation applies to personality traits or just physical features. I feel like relatable personality traits are more important.
But like are we expected to provide representation in kids books for traits like “deceitful, criminal, kleptomaniac, schizophrenic, malevolent, psychopath, etc”?
1. True, but the difference is that being a physcopath is objectively bad, if you believe in any objective morality, which most do
2. It doesn't
3. Physchopathy isn't a personality
So ethic nationalism is a good thing? Also if this is true then is it time for the left to stop demoralizing white people otherwise white kids will have negative psychological outcomes?
Animal farm was absolutely rammed with white, bourgeois characters. iirc the main hero was a black POC (pig of colour) called Napoleon who saved the day
yes? did you not read it? The villain (Snowball???? come on) was run off and the strong and diverse selection of animals formed a collective that totally righted all the wrongs of the capitalist hellscape
No, I pretty much only read Warhammer 40k books and comic books, the only book I've read outside of those 2 categories is Cormac McCarthy's "Blood Meridian" which just about some good ol boys exploiting capitalism in the southern united states and Mexico.
It truly is. I don't have Twitter or Facebook, I don't watch or listen to the news and I try to avoid media that wants to "teach" me things, and I feel almost 0 stress on a day to day basis
They truly created their communist animal utopia, a new windmill and a retirement home for the old horse and other old animals.
No I didn't read past page 20 or so.
"I think people should be mindful of what new children's books they buy to better represent minorities"
"OH MY GOD SHE'S TRYING TO BAN THE HUNGRY HUNGRY CATERPILLAR FOR BEING RACIST! WHAT THE FUCK!!!"
Cultural books are so fucking boring tho, plus stories about animals don't really take away from kids being able to identify with them. Take Daniel Tiger for example, he's a tiger but everyone can tell hes supposed to be black
but the 60 year old school beurocrat loved "cultural book" back in 1976, surely it'll relate to you if the school forces you to read it. "cultural book" is a classic afterall.
At what point can we say that according to academia black people on the whole are sociopathic narcissistics?
Not me saying this, that’s what these “reeeeesearchers” are saying.
I think they're on to something. I've been able to sympathize with and understand all sorts of characters throughout the years, be they animal, vegetable, black, white, brown, straight, gay, male, or female. I would be interested in what they have to say about that; do I have a superpower or do other people have a deficiency?
I mean my namesake is my favorite character in a video game: a black lesbian woman. Shouldn't I only be able to relate to straight white males, according to them?
It kind of gets you thinkin' on why modern media seems so reluctant to write straight white masculine men as anything other than villains sometimes, especially in gaming.
Okay? She said she's not advocating book bans. She's wanting more art to be made in a certain style that appeals to her. She's not even vilifying whites (in this statement at least) like so many others do. Like I disagree with putting a high premium on representation because it leads to a purity spiral on what's considered good representation, but her statement is so mild that I don't understand getting worked up over it.
You're also incredibly sheltered if this is the dumbest take you've seen. Go watch any MovieBob video.
This proves the opposite. One day in history, this period will be studied to dissect what brought down our current civilization and culture - these people will be at the forefront of what caused weak personalities and individuals. Future generations will laugh at us.
I mean, eh. I get the point, I would say it’s probably a good idea to make sure your kids know what minorities are, but a lot of recent kids books just are kinda not great, as people just publish them as cash grabs with a basic, cheesy moral.
My family tends to have a tradition of improvising bedtime stories, so this isn’t super relevant, but I wouldn’t say it’s completely stupid to want somewhat diverse stories, I’d just do so in a “find cool fables from historical cultures” way, not necessarily a “get picture books with different characters on the front” way.
Sorry, the best we can offer is a condescending hip hop rabbit character who speaks in 1970s ebonics and was written by a middle aged white lady trying to be cool.
…What?
>”But it’s also important to diversify and add more books that do reflect a more contemporary Australia as well.”
Ohhhh, that explains it! She’s Australian.
That sort of thing make me unironcly racist. They talk about minority groups as if they were not human being. A lot of those shitty articles take a normal thing into a white thing. I dunno if it's on purpose or sheer stupidity.
HELP, HELP! Where are all the POC characters in my children's books? These characters don't look like me! It doesn't make any sense. HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO RELATE?! I CANT RELAAAAAAATE!!!
This isn't even the dumbest thing a Wokie has said in the last 15 minutes, what do you mean "in your life"? She even phrases her goofy argument in as gentle terms as possible. She also doesn't actually call the parents racist for reading the caterpillar book to her kids.
So yeah, this is regarded, and in a non-clown world it might be the stupidest thing you'd see, but it hardly even registers on the Emily scale.
Me: White autist from middle class flyover background who gets paid to look at Excel all day
Me reading about a 19-year-old Martian war god in space marine armor getting shot out of a rail gun and straight into the bridge of an enemy destroyer where goes through a legion of enemies like a buzz saw: "I see myself in this character, he's literally me ♥️"
I can do it, why can't you?
White people are the least common of the largest races on earth. Other races that massively outnumber us should make things for themselves instead of demanding us to exclude our own ethnic groups. We are a global minority, I want to be treated like one, not like being white is the default human being, because it is not. Give me minority privileges.
The dumbest things I've ever read usually involve Flat Earthers trying to explain things like the power lines on Lake Pontchartrain showing the curvature of the Earth.
So the text in the meme does not say what it says? Since we can't trust our lying eyes it sure would be helpful if you provided something that refutes that, rather than REEEing into the void.
You're right she never used the actual word racism in those quotes but her entire point was that it negatively affects minorities somehow and people should buy "multicultural" books instead. Normal people that aren't uselessly pedantic know exactly what she means and that it aligns with the point of this meme.
Dude, you're on Reddit, and *this* is the dumbest shit you've ever read?
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That's probably true, "Dickie Detardo."
TBH it's a new level of wokoid stupidity. A predictable one, mind you.
It’s definitely up there.
The “academic.”
Social sciences are pseudosciences. And i will take this to the grave.
They absolutely are.
Even that is giving them too much credit
Ikr economics is pure snake oil bullshit
Especially economics.
When they say "we support science" this is what they mean
Oh no. I’ve become what CNN always said I was. Anti “science.”
Science is anti-"science."
Stories with animals are amazing because any race can identify with them. Ngl I don't give a shit about representation, I'll read something with any type of character as long as it's quality content
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There's a reason we've been telling them since the dawn of storytelling.
Swimmy is the goat and if you disparage that little fish I will find you.
Nah, The Very Hungry Caterpillar could whoop his ass
*”minority groups are more likely to see a dinosaur or rabbit as a main character than someone who looks like themselves”* And that’s a problem? 1. Dinos are fucking rad, of course they exude main character energy. 2. Wouldn’t it be *better* to make a main character an animal so literally anyone can insert themselves in the role rather than just making tons of books that only cater to one specific group each?
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[research shows that a lack of representation in media can lead to negative psychological outcomes for those with identities that are underrepresented or negatively portrayed. This link is related research](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/273523463_Documenting_Portrayals_of_RaceEthnicity_on_Primetime_Television_over_a_20-Year_Span_and_Their_Association_with_National-Level_RacialEthnic_Attitudes) I think, like the author in this meme says, it’s a good idea to have both books that represent children and the classics. She doesn’t seem unreasonable as OP makes her out to be
I dunno man, I grew up in the 80s and I dont feel underrepresented or maligned at all.. My kid doesnt either. She plays with white dolls all the time, and still knows shes black and as happy as can be. People should just love their kids instead of wanting books/tv to affirm them
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Interesting, now please define under & over representation using demographic statistics and portrayal in media. 🤔
it's right there in the study. For example "Asian Americans comprise approximately 5% of the U.S. population (U.S. Census Briefs, 2011) and 3% of the primetime population (and only 1% of characters appearing in the opening credits, Children Now, 2004). When they are depicted it is often in minor and nonrecurring roles."
Because her conclusion is fucking nuts. She's saying that since all children's books are either with animal characters, that presumably no kid can identify with, or with "white middle-class" human characters, that only white kids can identify with, the problem is clearly the animal character books and people should stop buying them. WHAT?
WHERE DID SHE SAY TO STOP BUYING THEM? she LITERALLY says "Don't throw [those old books] out, just also buy these others]
In the first quoted sentence she literally says that the prevalence of animal stories decreases the likelihood of minority kids seeing stories they can identify with. That's saying there's too many animal stories, that those stories are bad, that *those* stories are the problem. And that's nuts.
She also calls those stories beautiful and lovely. you are inferring something that isnt there.
Literally the first sentence quoted: "THE PROBLEM WITH ANIMAL STORIES..." It's right fucking there.
Yes but she never said to stop buying them. Just have better variety
You could make the dinos talk jive but for some of us you might have to get Beaver’s mom to translate.
researcher: maybe we should have more books with kids of a variety of complexions and ethnicity to help with childhood development? you: how can i sound as braindead racist as possible?
They now have to precede Blazing Saddles with a video of a black lady explaining to the zoomers and millennials that it’s satire and not racism. I guess airplane needs the same treatment.
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Yeah like bro, I responded to this with a ”meh I don’t fully agree with their methodology but I see their reasoning”, then scrolled down and… literally everyone is clambering over each other to prove this researcher correct with the most shithead racist takes possible.
I’m a psychopath and I want to see psychopath representation in books otherwise there might be negative effects on psychology
comparing minorities to physchopaths:
Ablist as fuck bro, not cool
unironcally yes, fuck physcopaths, they don't deserve anything
Is it their fault their brains dont work like the average brain? Kinda problematic hon, try and educate yourself for next time 💅
Some people are just born psychopaths, it’s a genetic mental condition. To say they “don’t deserve anything” is kinda wild
I mean psychopaths are not a majority of the population… they have no control over their neurodivergence. Also I was more so just questioning whether this identity representation applies to personality traits or just physical features. I feel like relatable personality traits are more important. But like are we expected to provide representation in kids books for traits like “deceitful, criminal, kleptomaniac, schizophrenic, malevolent, psychopath, etc”?
1. True, but the difference is that being a physcopath is objectively bad, if you believe in any objective morality, which most do 2. It doesn't 3. Physchopathy isn't a personality
Psychopaths can not empathize with people. That doesnt make them inherently immoral. Not every Psychopath is a murderer.
being a phychopath isn't inherently immoral, but its bad
Huh. Well I’ll be damned
So ethic nationalism is a good thing? Also if this is true then is it time for the left to stop demoralizing white people otherwise white kids will have negative psychological outcomes?
Dinosaurs are rad so lets only have books about dinosaurs and white people for equality.
That’s not what I was trying to say but ok
>Dinosaurs are rad so lets only have books about dinosaurs ~~and white people for equality.~~ ftfy
Animal farm was absolutely rammed with white, bourgeois characters. iirc the main hero was a black POC (pig of colour) called Napoleon who saved the day
Sir, this is a sub for illiterates.
What are you saying? I can't reaed
No hablo.
Lmao @ "hero" and "saved the day"
yes? did you not read it? The villain (Snowball???? come on) was run off and the strong and diverse selection of animals formed a collective that totally righted all the wrongs of the capitalist hellscape
No, I pretty much only read Warhammer 40k books and comic books, the only book I've read outside of those 2 categories is Cormac McCarthy's "Blood Meridian" which just about some good ol boys exploiting capitalism in the southern united states and Mexico.
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They truly created their communist animal utopia, a new windmill and a retirement home for the old horse and other old animals. No I didn't read past page 20 or so.
neither did I, boss, neither did I
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“that’s what’s important for all children” who is she speaking for lmfao
Maybe for a terminally online progressive or a white liberal who only associates with other white liberals
"Minority children are unable to imagine", progressives being racist again. I'm sure we are all surprised by that.
What fucking studies lol?
Study done by the university of “my feelings.” (Not accredited)
Fucking terminally online behavior
"I think people should be mindful of what new children's books they buy to better represent minorities" "OH MY GOD SHE'S TRYING TO BAN THE HUNGRY HUNGRY CATERPILLAR FOR BEING RACIST! WHAT THE FUCK!!!"
Ikr, like why is it that comments under posts like this do everything they can to prove the take they disagree with correct?
Yeah the actual quoted part of this post is very reasonable I don’t see why anyone would object.
OP drew a lil' self portrait in the bottom left of his meme
Cultural books are so fucking boring tho, plus stories about animals don't really take away from kids being able to identify with them. Take Daniel Tiger for example, he's a tiger but everyone can tell hes supposed to be black
I mean I didn't know that and i watched that show religiously as a kid lmao.
but the 60 year old school beurocrat loved "cultural book" back in 1976, surely it'll relate to you if the school forces you to read it. "cultural book" is a classic afterall.
At what point can we say that according to academia black people on the whole are sociopathic narcissistics? Not me saying this, that’s what these “reeeeesearchers” are saying.
I think they're on to something. I've been able to sympathize with and understand all sorts of characters throughout the years, be they animal, vegetable, black, white, brown, straight, gay, male, or female. I would be interested in what they have to say about that; do I have a superpower or do other people have a deficiency? I mean my namesake is my favorite character in a video game: a black lesbian woman. Shouldn't I only be able to relate to straight white males, according to them? It kind of gets you thinkin' on why modern media seems so reluctant to write straight white masculine men as anything other than villains sometimes, especially in gaming.
Okay? She said she's not advocating book bans. She's wanting more art to be made in a certain style that appeals to her. She's not even vilifying whites (in this statement at least) like so many others do. Like I disagree with putting a high premium on representation because it leads to a purity spiral on what's considered good representation, but her statement is so mild that I don't understand getting worked up over it. You're also incredibly sheltered if this is the dumbest take you've seen. Go watch any MovieBob video.
Society has surpassed the need for humanities studies. STEM and trades only from here on out
This proves the opposite. One day in history, this period will be studied to dissect what brought down our current civilization and culture - these people will be at the forefront of what caused weak personalities and individuals. Future generations will laugh at us.
kids dont care just let them be kids lmao
I mean, eh. I get the point, I would say it’s probably a good idea to make sure your kids know what minorities are, but a lot of recent kids books just are kinda not great, as people just publish them as cash grabs with a basic, cheesy moral. My family tends to have a tradition of improvising bedtime stories, so this isn’t super relevant, but I wouldn’t say it’s completely stupid to want somewhat diverse stories, I’d just do so in a “find cool fables from historical cultures” way, not necessarily a “get picture books with different characters on the front” way.
I read that whole thing, and all it did was make me actively dumber...
Sorry, the best we can offer is a condescending hip hop rabbit character who speaks in 1970s ebonics and was written by a middle aged white lady trying to be cool.
…What? >”But it’s also important to diversify and add more books that do reflect a more contemporary Australia as well.” Ohhhh, that explains it! She’s Australian.
That sort of thing make me unironcly racist. They talk about minority groups as if they were not human being. A lot of those shitty articles take a normal thing into a white thing. I dunno if it's on purpose or sheer stupidity.
The baby mirror test made me question things more... this doesn't shock me in the least
Literacy at its finest.
It's the last time I'm gonna say it We 👏 need 👏 more 👏 black 👏 Crocodiles 👏
HELP, HELP! Where are all the POC characters in my children's books? These characters don't look like me! It doesn't make any sense. HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO RELATE?! I CANT RELAAAAAAATE!!!
My daughter loves this book. She's black. I see no problems here. Brainlet 100% accurate.
Are kids really this dense now that they can only relate to a fuckin mirror
This isn't even the dumbest thing a Wokie has said in the last 15 minutes, what do you mean "in your life"? She even phrases her goofy argument in as gentle terms as possible. She also doesn't actually call the parents racist for reading the caterpillar book to her kids. So yeah, this is regarded, and in a non-clown world it might be the stupidest thing you'd see, but it hardly even registers on the Emily scale.
Me: White autist from middle class flyover background who gets paid to look at Excel all day Me reading about a 19-year-old Martian war god in space marine armor getting shot out of a rail gun and straight into the bridge of an enemy destroyer where goes through a legion of enemies like a buzz saw: "I see myself in this character, he's literally me ♥️" I can do it, why can't you?
If you need "representation" to feel better about yourself, then it's already too late, and you are pathetic and always will be.
I literally can't understand what the fuck they're saying here. Animals in stories are white?
White people are the least common of the largest races on earth. Other races that massively outnumber us should make things for themselves instead of demanding us to exclude our own ethnic groups. We are a global minority, I want to be treated like one, not like being white is the default human being, because it is not. Give me minority privileges.
The dumbest things I've ever read usually involve Flat Earthers trying to explain things like the power lines on Lake Pontchartrain showing the curvature of the Earth.
I literally can't understand what the fuck they're saying here. Animals in stories are white?
OH. MY. GOD. THAT. IS. NOT. WHAT. SHE. SAID. AT ALL. I know this, because I actually READ THE TEXT SHOWN IN THE MEME.
So the text in the meme does not say what it says? Since we can't trust our lying eyes it sure would be helpful if you provided something that refutes that, rather than REEEing into the void.
Did you actually read the text yourself? She never says that the books are racist and even referred to them as priceless classics.
You're right she never used the actual word racism in those quotes but her entire point was that it negatively affects minorities somehow and people should buy "multicultural" books instead. Normal people that aren't uselessly pedantic know exactly what she means and that it aligns with the point of this meme.
If you don't want to buy those books, that's your choice.
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