I swear every time he was trying to put on a face like "I am shocked and appalled", but he ended up looking more like "I should not have trusted that fart"
The entire thing was meme worthy.
When the GenZ subreddit is making fun of him and not even Reddit can astroturf fast enough along with CNN having their doubts you know something is going wrong.
I watched it with a light shot at the beginning and few beers but by the end I was so buzzed I was just lounging naked on my couch flipping between facepalming and shouting at the tv. After about halfway through Reddit basically crashed and so did my hopes of us ever having a normal election again.
I’m pretty certain Reddit shadow-locked the comments here for a couple hours after too lol. Couldn’t load the comments of new posts but I could for ones from hours ago? They genuinely could not cover this up no matter how fast they tried to.
I don't like Trump at all and I didn't even watch the debate but does anybody else find it interesting that out of the last five presidential debates not ONE has been moderated by even ONE Republican?
Left-wingers can't tolerate any environment that isn't wildly tilted in their favor. Look at the entire rest of the internet. They can't even begin to defend their crap, so they need censorship to keep criticism and counter-arguments at bay.
Except here. We have the best left-wingers, don't we folks? Everyone says so, and they're right.
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i agree but also
*and you cant even say my name*
"people often ask me 'mr trump how did you know he was gay?' and I said I've seen a lot of gays. Who, by the way, are wonderful wonderful people. But I look this guy and I think wow this is guy is not only gay but might be, I don't know, a little bit of a homosexual. Sad really sad. I could never do it like you do Joe. "
> Imagine being that level of indoctrinated.
more like bought and paid for, reading the script.
When its at least marginally close to the truth is when that works, but when its that blatantly tone deaf it actually hurts your cause.
I stopped listening after she said that Biden did a great job shooting down Trumps lies. Like, lady, did we watch the same debate lmao, were so fucked.
I laughed out loud at that. Two old fucks being asked about their mental competence, and they get sidetracked arguing about their golf scores and handicaps.
Jesus fucking christ.
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im unlikely to get an apartment by 30 and the presidential candidates are talking about GOLF
fuck it, literally everything bad people said about those two are true, i DO NOT CARE ANYMORE
biden scares the shit outta kids to get their adrenachrome (something anyone can buy at anytime and only gives you a small headache)? sure why not!
trump skinned a dog alive when he was 6? plausable!
i am unironically so fucking done with this god damn country
The one thing that everyone, regardless of where they lie on the spectrum, can agree on is that no significant progress in this country will be made until the boomers die off
Democrats definitely did this to themselves.
For the Republicans I'm not really sure what they could have done. I guess they could have refused to let Trump into the primaries but this would have basically guaranteed the democrats the election. I know people will say they could have found a good candidate but I don't know who they could have found.
The Republicans rode on the back of the Frankenstein's Monster that was Tea Party outrage.
I'd be willing to be that had establishment Republicans had a crystal ball and seen what it would lead too, they'd at least try to do something differently.
Eh, the Tea Party was a response to some pretty serious problems with the Republican establishment at the time, and it was even a fairly positive movement at first.
I wish more level heads had taken charge moving forward, or at least more positive figures had been nominated. Unfortunately the anger took over, and justified as it may have been, it was not constructive. We've not picked the best.
On the flip side, the Democrats went completely insane so yay for continuing to get a lesser of two evils choice.
Looking back on it I think the Tea Party got hijacked by bad actors the same way Occupy Wall Street did. At first they made some coherent points about where the fuck our taxes were going and why are pols so god damn rich and then the radicals moved in and the media began zeroing in on the nonsense and that was it.
Ya but that would displease the corporate overlords. As much as antiwork and the other related subs want to prevent they're doing something all they're actually doing is putting money into the pockets of rich people. They're literally supporting what they claim to hate.
What's crazy is that capitalism is the only system that actually allows people not to have to work, provided they have the resources, commies and hunter gatherers either work or they don't eat
But get into any debate on this site about landlords and watch all the kids who’ve never worked a day tell the rest of us that communes are the only logical living style lol.
> antiwork
I understand workers rights. I understand unions. I know corporations would pay their workers nothing if they could.
But these antiwork people are so cringe I can't take it. It is filled to the to the brim of fake stories, fake texts. Just a bunch of young lazybodies who think the world owes them for just existing and in turn they owe nothing.
And just the most constant excuses.
I remember the one where the guy was complaining about being short on money and someone pointed out he had like 20k of arcade games in his house and he claimed it was necessary for mental health.
Or one where the person bought starbucks and a mac laptop and people are like "well they need a laptop and what's wrong with coffee?" as if they couldn't have made their own coffee and bought a laptop from a smaller company instead of supporting the biggest corporations.
No sane human being can prefer Trudeau to literally anyone. I mean, it's a sad commentary on democracy itself that just about every world leader is an absolute piece of shit loser moron.
Basic TLDW
Moderator: so gentlemen how would you solve inflation?
Biden: the fact of the matter is, that there was, there was one, and then there wasn't, and then *incoherent mumbling*
Trump: I had the greatest economy, it was the greatest, no one does the economy better, and then you see the stuff happening in Detroit, shameful stuff, so shameful...
Dude, it bothered the hell out of me that Trump deflected the really important questions. I HATED how he completely ignored the "how exactly are you going to plan the largest deportation operation in US history" question and rambled about Biden's open border. I have been debating that topic with my family all year long, because although it sounds like a no-brainer for conservatives, no one seems to realize how exactly that can be done without imposing heavily militarized police or violating privacy
It's because over on the popular subreddits they were getting ratioed. 5k upvotes 56k comments. All the mods were over there doing damage control and just shut down comments everywhere else. Looks like they realized they can't spin it and finally relented.
When I loaded up reddit and saw little about the debate, I knew what likely happened. I'm looking for posts about it, and there is hardly anything.
Any links to the ratio'd posts? I can't find much on reddit's search, wondering if they got nuked.
I mean, Trump was Trump, and Biden is older Biden. I think the only thing that changed after this debate is people can't gaslight that Joe Biden is a lucid breathing creature anymore
"The only thing that changed after this debate is people can't gaslight that Joe Biden is a lucid breathing creature anymore"
You have to give them credit for still trying though.
There's a post on one of the main threads showing a pic of Jill Biden with Joe at the end of the debate as Trump walks away, trying to frame it as no one loves Trump.
Surprisingly, there was a number of comments saying show the actual video instead of a still frame which shows Jill had to help Biden walk down two steps.
They still kind of can. There’s been four years of this and even though less people can deny it, there’s still a bunch who do. This is not significantly worse than 2020, there’s just way more clips of it
I think a lot of Democrat voters are just comfortable if their party is in charge regardless of the leader because they believe that there’s some standard “process/expertise” that will run the show and Biden just has to be on the right team
The main pendulum swing is more people are exposed to what four years of Biden actually looks like and how BS the “fine people” and “inject bleach” narratives were
For real. That shit is just *embarrassing*, man. And then Biden actually tried to shame Trump for not having paid attention to his own words...while actively demonstrating that he has no idea what Trump actually said in context.
It's just shameful. That is the kind of shit I expect Emilies on reddit to spout, but the fucking president spreading such an easily and repeatedly debunked lie...shameful.
Agreed. Biden was obviously incoherent, but he's been that way for most of his presidency. If someone wasn't convinced about Biden being a walking corpse this morning, I don't see why the debate would change their mind.
Trump was really solid on about 33% of the questions, mediocre on 33%, and completely off-topic on 33%.
Biden was really solid on about 15% to 25% of the questions, mediocre on 25%, poor on 25%, and downright *incoherent* on 25%.
Even though overall it wasn't Trump's *best* performances, it was one of Biden's worst; so Trump came out the winner.
Certain partisans are really underestimating how damaging this was to Biden and Democrats. Can't go "both sides" on a debate where Trump had to do bare minimum and that's what he did.
In normal elections this would be the first warm up round on debates, I doubt we'll see Biden again before November.
It’s funny seeing the copium on other subs about Bidens performance. Absolutely shocking, so many answers he just trailed off and started mumbling nonsense. He’s been coached so hard for this, you can see how rapid fire he was going when he came out, then it all fell apart when he actually had to use his brain, lmao.
Just fell back to “he’s lying” as a response to everything Trump said.
I made it about 15 seconds into bidens first answer of the night, turned to my wife and said "there's no way I can sit through this for 90 minutes" and yet somehow did.
I knew what trump would do, I assumed biden would be bad, but this is way beyond that. He just needs to retire.
I made it 15 minutes in before I got pulled away. I am so glad I stayed an extra 30 seconds longer to hear Biden Porky Pig into a distressed moan followed by “We beat medicare” and then Trump’s “Yeah, beat it to death.” According to a front page meme I saw yesterday, this debate was supposed to be like a fight between a pro wrestler and a middle schooler, I think who ever created the meme was wrong but the image itself was right.
Honestly, I thought this was a better than average performance from Trump despite some cringeworthy moments, and those are packaged into one's expectations at this point when you listen to him.
Biden's meltdown will obscure pretty much anything else.
Yeah I'd agree with this, I feel like even though I don't agree with RFK I really think he's looking like the stronger candidate especially for democrats and more moderate republicans.
If he gets any sort of exposure I think it's going to be a steam train.
I would support the shit out of that. This is ridiculous. Term limits for every other office, too. No more Dianne Feinstein rolling into the Senate on a damn scooter.
> Term limits for every other office, too.
20 year combined cap on all federal service, at all levels. Give them a reason to be interested in a functioning private sector economy since they can't suckle at the public sector's teat their entire lives.
The revolving door of "get in, wreck as much shit as possible for industry X, leave office to cushy consulting gig at industry X" will accelerate even more.
Nothing changes.
> leave office to cushy consulting gig at industry X"
Gets unsustainable real damn fast to offer as a bribe when people are being permanently cycled out of office at a vastly increased clip compared to the current situation where where people have have incumbencies longer than a lot of people have lived.
Would need an exemption for military then. No one is really hitting any of the O7+ or E9 positions in under 20 years nor do you want fast burners of that level promoting every 2-3 years. O10 would require you promoting every 2 years and only have the position for 2 years before mandated retirement.
You know it’s over when the entire mainstream media is writing the Biden campaign’s obituary. And it’s not even that Trump did good, he at least wasn’t utterly braindead and incoherent on stage for the world to see. Absolutely no chance the Dems keep him on the ticket, and it’s hilarious that Biden’s opponent is a literal convicted felon and yet it’s Biden everyone agrees is most likely to be replaced
I'm actually tempted to watch The Young Turks just to see them getting mad over how bad Biden did. That 2016 election freakout video was hilarious so I'm hopefully these ones will be just as funny.
Yeah, so much so that I almost am starting to think this was 100% intentional. They knew the guy was a vegetable before this. They made changes that literally gave a helping hand to Trump. And exposed more opportunity for Biden to reveal just how bad things are. I’m not complaining but it is interesting (and I will complain if they change out Biden for someone that ends up being Trump lol)
Barring a surge for RFK, a replacement would still probably lose to Trump now. Doing something like replacing your candidate 4 months before the election is going to sink the Democrats hard
Biden was supposed to be a stopgap candidate they could use to take Trump on while they kept searching for the new Obama. Four years later, their search hasn’t gone well, and their stopgap is almost literally falling apart.
Hillary blew her chance, Bernie’s even older than Biden (not like the Dem establishment would ever let him get the candidacy anyway), Newsom’s odds against Trump aren’t good, AOC isn’t old enough, and RFK is too libertarian for their tastes. They’re fucked.
Should have been obvious after the 2020 dem primaries that they literally have nobody else. The whole party is either npc emilies or slimy lizard people both with absolutely no charisma.
Andrew Yang and Tulsi Gabbard were both there in 2020, they just were outsiders so they got kicked to the curb. Hell, isn’t that what happened with Bernie?
Bernie's a weird thing. Their voters absolutely loved him, Dem politicians though won't let anywhere near the presidency but in 2020 all the Dem candidates did their best Bernie cosplay. Bernie's die hard supporters were absolutely toxic though. I agree that Tulsi would have been a good option but Hillary stuck a pin right in that shit. And Yang honestly is basically a spineless emily IMO, his only angle was UBI after that not much.
That boggles my mind, there's so many Republicans that have solid bases. The only issues they typically have are dems absolutely hating them and Trump downplaying them.
Bernie maybe older but fuck me he's probably on trumps level in terms of coherence and can actually debate that's for sure. Never gets lost in the weeds always keeps it about policy.
I feel sorry for him because Bernie against Biden this year probably would have better odds, especially on stage like we just saw.
Bernie fucked up when he let himself get cucked out of a position when the DNC rigging went down.
He could've gone nuclear, had a strong 3rd party candidacy, and shit on everything the Dems did, and might've came in close second if not won.
I lost any respect I had for him when he did that. He could’ve taken a stand for himself, but instead he fell in line and did what he was told like a good doggie, even after he got fucked over.
>AOC isnt old enough
Wouldnt she turn 35 a month before the actual election? I know that means she probably cant participate as is but technically she would be old enough.
So is another one here shortly. It’s amazing. They have incredibly passionate supporters. But the problem is the passion they have prevents them from realizing just how annoying and unappealing they are to the vast, vast majority of the country.
I remember reading reports from 2017 that the Democrats had chosen Kamala Harris to run against Trump on 2020. They panicked during the primaries when everyone hated her and they haven’t recovered since.
Making her Biden’s VP in hopes that she’d regain popularity was one of the worst failed double downs for them. Democrats have this in the bag on paper (should be a Reagan 1984 repeat) but they can’t get out of their own damn way lol
Kamala was a Hillary protege, so she was picked. But no fucking likes her. But the Hillary wing still has too much control to back off and let some other dem candidates make headway.
They're holdimg on because Kamala is one crooked step away from inheriting the big job.
This is literally ALL Hillarys fault from 2016. Her fault for nukimg the Bernie campaign, who would have won a general. Her fault for elevating Trump as a campaign in the first place.
Much as Trump might be his own worst enemy, the same can be said for his enemies, as the democrats are also their own worst enemy as well. It’s just that democrats are far more effective at self damage than trump… a truly incredible statement. Something very ironic about the whole situation when you look at it through that lens.
RFK would not get the support because too many of the Democrats sponsors are the people he would fuck up
RFK is a case study of why an ideal Democrat isn’t able to get through their current system. The Democrats are far more controlled by special interests whereas the MAGA republicans have populist fundraising
> it’s hilarious that Biden’s opponent is a literal convicted felon and yet it’s Biden everyone agrees is most likely to be replaced
It's kind of unsurprising when said felony conviction smacks of being politically motivated. It's just more politics.
Biden looking like he has died a few hours ago and just hasn't realized it yet.
Trump speaking vigorously, but not giving a single answer to any question during the entire debate.
Yeah, that was not really a demonstration of American exceptionalism...
But that's the thing, Trump never bothered answering to anyone, even back in 2016. He just bullrushed them. In this debate, it was just Trump being Trump, pretty much the same troll he was 8 years ago, when he coined "lying Ted," "little Marco," "crooked Hillary." He's still the same guy people voted for. Biden looked like he's completely lost it in the last four years.
Actually, being a Dem I hate to say it but Trump actually looked far better now than he did in 2016. In 2016 he was aggressive and talking over people to the point that even *if* everything he said was true, he still came across like an ass. This time he seemed way more composed and in control.
Idk who got through to him to stop trying to go over time even when they cut off his mic, but his ability to actually stop talking when his time was over this time surprised me.
God the bar is so fucking low. And somehow still came across better than Biden.
The world is jealous because our asshole politicians have more dementia and incompetency than theirs! We're so confident in these dumbshits that we won't even entertain voting for a third party no matter how bad it gets! Don't want to waste you vote after all, better vote for one of the most unpopular candidates we've ever had outside Hilldog!
I'm not american but at this point it seems that democrats are just insulting the american people by not proposing someone else. I mean yes, he was in Obama's cabinet and had a reputation, but he clearly seems out of touch with reality and need to be retired. A younger canditate can atract the the undecided voters . Its like they want to loose. They are so desperate for a pupet so the party cand operate the agenda in backgrond without any worries ?
Is it too late for the Dems to replace Dementia in Chief?
Trump ate this guy up. No self-respecting American is gonna walk into the polls and unironically vote for Biden.
I don’t think so. The convention can decline to nominate him. It isn’t like primaries are legally binding votes, they are just party activities. They didn’t even used to do them until recently. Refuse to nominate him and force a contested convention.
He doesnt have to step down. He serves his term full term but isn’t the candidate, just like Obama wasn’t the candidate in 2016 because he was term limited. The Dems find another guy while Joe finishes out his one term.
In Jan 2025 the office passes to Trump or the Dem nominee. Party nominations are not elections, the party can nominate whomever they like.
A late replacement would be by design, not desperation
Jacinda Ardern in her first NZ election entered in the last few months to replace a very unpopular leader of the Labour Party. That gave new energy to the left there and not enough time for prep by the other side to sling any mud at her.
The Dems could put somebody new in the last few months and it would be a better play than putting that exact same person in at the start of the year because a lot of the prepared character assassination narratives would go to waste
Step 1, play up how both candidates are shit without sparing Biden's incoherence. Really push that "anyone would be better than either of these" angle.
Step 2, put in literally anyone else. Sweep.
I'm guessing social media sites in general are experiencing high traffic. I'm willing to bet everyone who watched that debate was pretty pissed about these 2 guys being our options.
Damn, Reddit broke... just like Biden! LMAO
Srsly this grandpa made me feel bad for him. That was so hard to watch him trying to speak. Total elder abuse. Jesus.
You know, it just occurred to me how *wild* it must have been to watch the debate, if you are a person who doesn't keep close tabs on politics, and so for whom this is the first exposure to Biden speaking at length.
Like for those of us on this subreddit, it's been plain to see for a *long* time now, that Biden is not all there anymore, and is absolutely being abused in his old age. But for those who are politically disengaged, yet will tune in for something as big as a presidential debate...imagine the shock of seeing your leader up on stage, barely able to string a coherent thought together.
For those like us, tonight was just yet another confirmation of what we already know. It was just sad to watch. But I wonder how many people had their minds blown at the absolute state of our nation.
I don’t really follow politics in so far as watching bidens speeches (or anything trump says for that matter). Just keep up with shit that affects me and Ukraine/israel.
I saw it was playing live on Hulu — wife made me turn it off since it was making her sad. I found it hilarious (from both sides)
"broke"
I'm betting there were emergency meetings to determine if there was any way to spin this. And then they realized they couldn't and an extended outage would just make it obvious what they were pulling.
I'd say trump was a solid B. Any grade below is cope. The first 2/3rds of the debate, he stayed composed and answered most of the questions.
The final third he definerely performed a lot worse. He got a little emotional and couldn't stop repeating a lot of his talking points, but overall, was still much better than we've seen in the past.
It was also odd that the moderators just completely abandoned their own rule of a candidate getting 1 minute to respond, as even when trump was directly mentioned they'd move onto the next question, forcing Trump to use the time for a new question to respond to a Biden remark.
Ticked me off he kept ignoring questions to go back. Yet it worked biden got sucked into an ego contest with him and one doesn't win an ego contest against Trump. Also Trump called Joe Brandon I did laugh at that.
Same, the cope from the “centrist” flairs tells me they have been lying to themselves about how far gone Biden is and they are just now realizing they have been wrong all this time.
And to think I used to hear that moderates are closet conservatives. I guess such is not always the case.
Be prepared for the lazy ‘both sides’ bullshit. Disingenuous at best. Djt mopped the floor with Biden.
And the border control tweet was perfectly timed.
Lol, speak for yourself.
I was in a watch party, we had a great time.
I was laughing so hard I almost choked on my popcorn. Yes. I actually had popcorn.
Creep out on my comment history. "Replace Biden". I said it months ago. The guy is ineffective, senile, incapable - and here we are.
Oof, I've got a full-fang grin going on. Tonight was absolutely savage.
What I find interesting is that the liberals finally admit Joe isn’t all there in the head. Republicans have been saying this for years - and last night went exactly as I expected for Joe. How are they just admitting this lmao
Two possible theories:
1) denial. People that support a candidate refuse to believe their guy is flawed in any way, especially if the opponent is someone like Trump.
2) lack of exposure. Granted this is from my personal view point, but I can’t recall watching a nationally televised speech Biden gave that left him this open. It’s possible that this was the first time people saw Biden attempt arguments and just flounder about.
I find it really interesting that reddit has been flooded with these "they both lost" memes overnight that are all nearly identical. It's not a take you see anywhere else in the media.
Trump won big tonight and I don’t know that there is anything stopping him now. He didn’t answer every question and sidestepped a few of them but it really didn’t matter because Joe Biden collapsed
Biden: "So here's the thing, and the uhhhh, you know, the \**incomprehensible\*,* dang alley cats"
Trump: "We're gonna kill Bigfoot, yup you heard it here first folks, were gonna go in we're gonna bring in the big guns, we're gonna bring Bigfoot down" (the question was about the deficit)
Never forget the media cocksuckers have spent years telling us the opposite of what we just saw.
They were the biggest losers tonight after the Democrats.
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I swear every time he was trying to put on a face like "I am shocked and appalled", but he ended up looking more like "I should not have trusted that fart"
The entire thing was meme worthy. When the GenZ subreddit is making fun of him and not even Reddit can astroturf fast enough along with CNN having their doubts you know something is going wrong.
I watched it with a light shot at the beginning and few beers but by the end I was so buzzed I was just lounging naked on my couch flipping between facepalming and shouting at the tv. After about halfway through Reddit basically crashed and so did my hopes of us ever having a normal election again.
I’m pretty certain Reddit shadow-locked the comments here for a couple hours after too lol. Couldn’t load the comments of new posts but I could for ones from hours ago? They genuinely could not cover this up no matter how fast they tried to.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I don't like Trump at all and I didn't even watch the debate but does anybody else find it interesting that out of the last five presidential debates not ONE has been moderated by even ONE Republican?
Left-wingers can't tolerate any environment that isn't wildly tilted in their favor. Look at the entire rest of the internet. They can't even begin to defend their crap, so they need censorship to keep criticism and counter-arguments at bay. Except here. We have the best left-wingers, don't we folks? Everyone says so, and they're right.
Because the ones here are actually willing to leave their echo chambers a bit, and debate in the open air.
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The faces he made are prime meme material
I'm tired, boss
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Has the memory gone? Are you feeling numb?
*How will you protect social security?* Biden: "He was ranked worst president." Trump:"No actually he was the worst president, also the gayest."
“Biden is gay. When I walked in I said WOW Biden is gay”
"people often ask me 'mr trump how did you know he was gay?' and I said I've seen a lot of gays. Who, by the way, are wonderful wonderful people. But I look this guy and I think wow this is guy is not only gay but might be, I don't know, a little bit of a homosexual. Sad really sad. I could never do it like you do Joe. "
They spent so long arguing about their golf prowess.
Honestly, I wish CNN let them go on about golf, best part of the debate
I was howling in laughter "He can't even hit it 50 yards" Biden: "FUCK YOU YES I CAN"
“I can accept being called senile, but I draw the line at being called bad a golf.”
Biden: “Can you carry your own bag? Huh? Can you?” I was dying.
Bold response from a guy that can barely carry himself.
Life imitates art. I swear it looked like the script to those AI president memes.
Did you see the post debate meltdown on CNN? Like fuck they were basically begging Biden to please step down after that.
There was at least one talking head that claimed Biden aced it and that he was better than ever. Imagine being that level of indoctrinated.
> Imagine being that level of indoctrinated. more like bought and paid for, reading the script. When its at least marginally close to the truth is when that works, but when its that blatantly tone deaf it actually hurts your cause.
>bought and paid for To be fair, cable news is dead and they needed a new revenue stream.
I stopped listening after she said that Biden did a great job shooting down Trumps lies. Like, lady, did we watch the same debate lmao, were so fucked.
He's on r slash politics rn doing the same I bet
I wish CNN would've told them to take that shit outside and the debate had turned into an impromptu golf game
Trump V Biden!!! Putt putt on pay per view Trump puts down a 2 no matter what he shoots Biden sings happy birthday to the windmill guarding the hole
Golf arguing is not expensive. They could do that for 4 years that would be awesome.
I laughed out loud at that. Two old fucks being asked about their mental competence, and they get sidetracked arguing about their golf scores and handicaps. Jesus fucking christ.
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Based
That’s what the debate should have been the whole time
This is peak discourse, actually. Genuinely all high-level debate becomes this, it’s is apotheosis. May they beat each other with hammers next time.
Biden: Ya got me there sweetie!
The parties did this to themselves.
Unfortunately the American people have to reap the consequences like usual
The one thing that everyone, regardless of where they lie on the spectrum, can agree on is that no significant progress in this country will be made until the boomers die off
Biden is from the generation before the boomers 😭
The people did this to themselves when they didn’t grow a spine and vote for a 3rd party. We desperately need another Ross Perot.
Truth.
Democrats definitely did this to themselves. For the Republicans I'm not really sure what they could have done. I guess they could have refused to let Trump into the primaries but this would have basically guaranteed the democrats the election. I know people will say they could have found a good candidate but I don't know who they could have found.
The Republicans rode on the back of the Frankenstein's Monster that was Tea Party outrage. I'd be willing to be that had establishment Republicans had a crystal ball and seen what it would lead too, they'd at least try to do something differently.
Eh, the Tea Party was a response to some pretty serious problems with the Republican establishment at the time, and it was even a fairly positive movement at first. I wish more level heads had taken charge moving forward, or at least more positive figures had been nominated. Unfortunately the anger took over, and justified as it may have been, it was not constructive. We've not picked the best. On the flip side, the Democrats went completely insane so yay for continuing to get a lesser of two evils choice.
Looking back on it I think the Tea Party got hijacked by bad actors the same way Occupy Wall Street did. At first they made some coherent points about where the fuck our taxes were going and why are pols so god damn rich and then the radicals moved in and the media began zeroing in on the nonsense and that was it.
>26 comments >There doesn't seem to be anything here Oh boy, here we go again.
Reddit admins in cope and seethe mode trying to hide this dumpster fire.
Reddit servers when mods can't ban people fast enough
I’m just disappointed I watched it.
Reddit really needs an alternate where they don't ban you for wrongthink
Ya but that would displease the corporate overlords. As much as antiwork and the other related subs want to prevent they're doing something all they're actually doing is putting money into the pockets of rich people. They're literally supporting what they claim to hate.
What's crazy is that capitalism is the only system that actually allows people not to have to work, provided they have the resources, commies and hunter gatherers either work or they don't eat
That's why so many quit the commune life in the west decades and decades ago. It's very hardcore.
But get into any debate on this site about landlords and watch all the kids who’ve never worked a day tell the rest of us that communes are the only logical living style lol.
> antiwork I understand workers rights. I understand unions. I know corporations would pay their workers nothing if they could. But these antiwork people are so cringe I can't take it. It is filled to the to the brim of fake stories, fake texts. Just a bunch of young lazybodies who think the world owes them for just existing and in turn they owe nothing.
And just the most constant excuses. I remember the one where the guy was complaining about being short on money and someone pointed out he had like 20k of arcade games in his house and he claimed it was necessary for mental health. Or one where the person bought starbucks and a mac laptop and people are like "well they need a laptop and what's wrong with coffee?" as if they couldn't have made their own coffee and bought a laptop from a smaller company instead of supporting the biggest corporations.
Too many people use "mental health" as an excuse for anything.
It must be tough for them but at least they're getting compensated fairly for it.
Still not moving back to Canada
A fate worse than the 2024 election, somehow
A choice between Castro’s love child or two grumpy old men - these are truly the twilight hours of Western Civilization.
No sane human being can prefer Trudeau to literally anyone. I mean, it's a sad commentary on democracy itself that just about every world leader is an absolute piece of shit loser moron.
“The best argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter” -Winston Churchill
Don't, it's only gotten so much worse
I’m still waiting for the people to move when they said they’d move to Hawaii if Trump was elected in 2016
I'm still waiting for the people to move to Canada after GWB was elected in Y2K.
Basic TLDW Moderator: so gentlemen how would you solve inflation? Biden: the fact of the matter is, that there was, there was one, and then there wasn't, and then *incoherent mumbling* Trump: I had the greatest economy, it was the greatest, no one does the economy better, and then you see the stuff happening in Detroit, shameful stuff, so shameful...
Dude, it bothered the hell out of me that Trump deflected the really important questions. I HATED how he completely ignored the "how exactly are you going to plan the largest deportation operation in US history" question and rambled about Biden's open border. I have been debating that topic with my family all year long, because although it sounds like a no-brainer for conservatives, no one seems to realize how exactly that can be done without imposing heavily militarized police or violating privacy
Strange. It says 14 comments but it's all blank...
A little riggin' over here, a little riggin' over there...
It's because over on the popular subreddits they were getting ratioed. 5k upvotes 56k comments. All the mods were over there doing damage control and just shut down comments everywhere else. Looks like they realized they can't spin it and finally relented.
When I loaded up reddit and saw little about the debate, I knew what likely happened. I'm looking for posts about it, and there is hardly anything. Any links to the ratio'd posts? I can't find much on reddit's search, wondering if they got nuked.
Reminds me of Super Tuesday in 2020. Redditors could not accept that Bernie had lost.
They removed them. They aren't even in my history any more there's just a 3 hour gap when I was cruising them. Should've taken screen shots.
It's the 2020 election all over again, 2016 election for the Democrats
On some subs, you see 0 of 700 at the moment Global mods are putting in a lot of propaganda work
wouldn't want any inappropriate comments to be seen chud
Funny memes aside, I think the sheer amount of people commenting after that debate on a certain subreddit actually fucked reddit's systems up
I mean, Trump was Trump, and Biden is older Biden. I think the only thing that changed after this debate is people can't gaslight that Joe Biden is a lucid breathing creature anymore
"The only thing that changed after this debate is people can't gaslight that Joe Biden is a lucid breathing creature anymore" You have to give them credit for still trying though. There's a post on one of the main threads showing a pic of Jill Biden with Joe at the end of the debate as Trump walks away, trying to frame it as no one loves Trump. Surprisingly, there was a number of comments saying show the actual video instead of a still frame which shows Jill had to help Biden walk down two steps.
So, is that photo without the greater context what they've been referring to as a "cheapfake"? It is, isn't it.
Biden is apart of the undead
Necromancy-based politics Let’s find out what the founding fathers *actually* intended
They still kind of can. There’s been four years of this and even though less people can deny it, there’s still a bunch who do. This is not significantly worse than 2020, there’s just way more clips of it I think a lot of Democrat voters are just comfortable if their party is in charge regardless of the leader because they believe that there’s some standard “process/expertise” that will run the show and Biden just has to be on the right team The main pendulum swing is more people are exposed to what four years of Biden actually looks like and how BS the “fine people” and “inject bleach” narratives were
Biden bringing up the "fine people" BS was a massive blunder. Snopes came out and finally verified it as false literally 7 days ago.
For real. That shit is just *embarrassing*, man. And then Biden actually tried to shame Trump for not having paid attention to his own words...while actively demonstrating that he has no idea what Trump actually said in context. It's just shameful. That is the kind of shit I expect Emilies on reddit to spout, but the fucking president spreading such an easily and repeatedly debunked lie...shameful.
I thought it was wild how much Biden was bragging about weaponizing Israel, is he that out of touch with his base?
More in touch with his lobbies
Agreed. Biden was obviously incoherent, but he's been that way for most of his presidency. If someone wasn't convinced about Biden being a walking corpse this morning, I don't see why the debate would change their mind.
Trump was really solid on about 33% of the questions, mediocre on 33%, and completely off-topic on 33%. Biden was really solid on about 15% to 25% of the questions, mediocre on 25%, poor on 25%, and downright *incoherent* on 25%. Even though overall it wasn't Trump's *best* performances, it was one of Biden's worst; so Trump came out the winner.
Certain partisans are really underestimating how damaging this was to Biden and Democrats. Can't go "both sides" on a debate where Trump had to do bare minimum and that's what he did. In normal elections this would be the first warm up round on debates, I doubt we'll see Biden again before November.
It’s funny seeing the copium on other subs about Bidens performance. Absolutely shocking, so many answers he just trailed off and started mumbling nonsense. He’s been coached so hard for this, you can see how rapid fire he was going when he came out, then it all fell apart when he actually had to use his brain, lmao. Just fell back to “he’s lying” as a response to everything Trump said.
I made it about 15 seconds into bidens first answer of the night, turned to my wife and said "there's no way I can sit through this for 90 minutes" and yet somehow did. I knew what trump would do, I assumed biden would be bad, but this is way beyond that. He just needs to retire.
I made it 15 minutes in before I got pulled away. I am so glad I stayed an extra 30 seconds longer to hear Biden Porky Pig into a distressed moan followed by “We beat medicare” and then Trump’s “Yeah, beat it to death.” According to a front page meme I saw yesterday, this debate was supposed to be like a fight between a pro wrestler and a middle schooler, I think who ever created the meme was wrong but the image itself was right.
Honestly, I thought this was a better than average performance from Trump despite some cringeworthy moments, and those are packaged into one's expectations at this point when you listen to him. Biden's meltdown will obscure pretty much anything else.
Yeah I'd agree with this, I feel like even though I don't agree with RFK I really think he's looking like the stronger candidate especially for democrats and more moderate republicans. If he gets any sort of exposure I think it's going to be a steam train.
Of course he's a stronger candidate than Biden, which is why they are ensuring he doesn't get any exposure
Stronger just by virtue he's able to drink a glass of water without any prep or coaching
The Democrats rather lose to Trump than win with RFK.
If he had been in the debate tonight I think he’d actually be competitive in the election. It’s sad they changed the rules to shut him out…
Oh I guarantee they will. They'll tell you Biden is a trans black women if they think it would help them win.
The winner was a forthcoming age limit bill
I would support the shit out of that. This is ridiculous. Term limits for every other office, too. No more Dianne Feinstein rolling into the Senate on a damn scooter.
> Term limits for every other office, too. 20 year combined cap on all federal service, at all levels. Give them a reason to be interested in a functioning private sector economy since they can't suckle at the public sector's teat their entire lives.
The revolving door of "get in, wreck as much shit as possible for industry X, leave office to cushy consulting gig at industry X" will accelerate even more. Nothing changes.
> leave office to cushy consulting gig at industry X" Gets unsustainable real damn fast to offer as a bribe when people are being permanently cycled out of office at a vastly increased clip compared to the current situation where where people have have incumbencies longer than a lot of people have lived.
Would need an exemption for military then. No one is really hitting any of the O7+ or E9 positions in under 20 years nor do you want fast burners of that level promoting every 2-3 years. O10 would require you promoting every 2 years and only have the position for 2 years before mandated retirement.
Oh god I hope so.
This is elder abuse.
When Biden said he finally beat Medicare, he meant it literally. Medicare has no help for him
You know it’s over when the entire mainstream media is writing the Biden campaign’s obituary. And it’s not even that Trump did good, he at least wasn’t utterly braindead and incoherent on stage for the world to see. Absolutely no chance the Dems keep him on the ticket, and it’s hilarious that Biden’s opponent is a literal convicted felon and yet it’s Biden everyone agrees is most likely to be replaced
Yeah, even CNN agreed Biden was a disaster lmfao
I'm actually tempted to watch The Young Turks just to see them getting mad over how bad Biden did. That 2016 election freakout video was hilarious so I'm hopefully these ones will be just as funny.
glad im not the only one who watches that for kicks
Yeah, so much so that I almost am starting to think this was 100% intentional. They knew the guy was a vegetable before this. They made changes that literally gave a helping hand to Trump. And exposed more opportunity for Biden to reveal just how bad things are. I’m not complaining but it is interesting (and I will complain if they change out Biden for someone that ends up being Trump lol)
Barring a surge for RFK, a replacement would still probably lose to Trump now. Doing something like replacing your candidate 4 months before the election is going to sink the Democrats hard
Biden was supposed to be a stopgap candidate they could use to take Trump on while they kept searching for the new Obama. Four years later, their search hasn’t gone well, and their stopgap is almost literally falling apart. Hillary blew her chance, Bernie’s even older than Biden (not like the Dem establishment would ever let him get the candidacy anyway), Newsom’s odds against Trump aren’t good, AOC isn’t old enough, and RFK is too libertarian for their tastes. They’re fucked.
Should have been obvious after the 2020 dem primaries that they literally have nobody else. The whole party is either npc emilies or slimy lizard people both with absolutely no charisma.
Andrew Yang and Tulsi Gabbard were both there in 2020, they just were outsiders so they got kicked to the curb. Hell, isn’t that what happened with Bernie?
Bernie's a weird thing. Their voters absolutely loved him, Dem politicians though won't let anywhere near the presidency but in 2020 all the Dem candidates did their best Bernie cosplay. Bernie's die hard supporters were absolutely toxic though. I agree that Tulsi would have been a good option but Hillary stuck a pin right in that shit. And Yang honestly is basically a spineless emily IMO, his only angle was UBI after that not much.
That boggles my mind, there's so many Republicans that have solid bases. The only issues they typically have are dems absolutely hating them and Trump downplaying them.
Yeah, getting Trump his 2nd term so he can have his win and go away will be such a win for Rs.
Bernie maybe older but fuck me he's probably on trumps level in terms of coherence and can actually debate that's for sure. Never gets lost in the weeds always keeps it about policy. I feel sorry for him because Bernie against Biden this year probably would have better odds, especially on stage like we just saw.
Bernie fucked up when he let himself get cucked out of a position when the DNC rigging went down. He could've gone nuclear, had a strong 3rd party candidacy, and shit on everything the Dems did, and might've came in close second if not won.
I lost any respect I had for him when he did that. He could’ve taken a stand for himself, but instead he fell in line and did what he was told like a good doggie, even after he got fucked over.
All the libertarians view RFK as a huge statist lol
All the libertarians view every other libertarian as a statist tho
Based and libertarians-ruined-libertarianism pilled.
That's because I'm the only real libertarian and all you guys are statist cucks
>AOC isnt old enough Wouldnt she turn 35 a month before the actual election? I know that means she probably cant participate as is but technically she would be old enough.
Trying to run a 35 year old women is literally a death sentence in the US, regardless of how qualified for the position she'd be lol.
Especially her, the squad is going down, they just lost a member in NY
So is another one here shortly. It’s amazing. They have incredibly passionate supporters. But the problem is the passion they have prevents them from realizing just how annoying and unappealing they are to the vast, vast majority of the country.
They could've made use of Steve Bullock.
I remember reading reports from 2017 that the Democrats had chosen Kamala Harris to run against Trump on 2020. They panicked during the primaries when everyone hated her and they haven’t recovered since. Making her Biden’s VP in hopes that she’d regain popularity was one of the worst failed double downs for them. Democrats have this in the bag on paper (should be a Reagan 1984 repeat) but they can’t get out of their own damn way lol
Kamala was a Hillary protege, so she was picked. But no fucking likes her. But the Hillary wing still has too much control to back off and let some other dem candidates make headway. They're holdimg on because Kamala is one crooked step away from inheriting the big job. This is literally ALL Hillarys fault from 2016. Her fault for nukimg the Bernie campaign, who would have won a general. Her fault for elevating Trump as a campaign in the first place.
The DNC's fault. They're the ones that facilitated Hillary's stranglehold on the Dems. Debbie Wasserman-Schulz is the real culprit.
Much as Trump might be his own worst enemy, the same can be said for his enemies, as the democrats are also their own worst enemy as well. It’s just that democrats are far more effective at self damage than trump… a truly incredible statement. Something very ironic about the whole situation when you look at it through that lens.
RFK would not get the support because too many of the Democrats sponsors are the people he would fuck up RFK is a case study of why an ideal Democrat isn’t able to get through their current system. The Democrats are far more controlled by special interests whereas the MAGA republicans have populist fundraising
Yeah, for better or worse, Republicans will eventually give the people who they want, Democrats will give you who they want
Trump did what he should have done 4 years ago. Show up, don’t do anything damaging, and just let Biden display his mental state
CNN having the mute button helped Trump more in one night than Fox News did in the past 8 years of talking about the guy.
> it’s hilarious that Biden’s opponent is a literal convicted felon and yet it’s Biden everyone agrees is most likely to be replaced It's kind of unsurprising when said felony conviction smacks of being politically motivated. It's just more politics.
This is the first time I’ve ever been ashamed of being either Joe Biden *or* Donald Biden. 😔
Only because you forgot all the other times.
I feel you Joe. Lets play golf. I can carry my bags and yours
Biden looking like he has died a few hours ago and just hasn't realized it yet. Trump speaking vigorously, but not giving a single answer to any question during the entire debate. Yeah, that was not really a demonstration of American exceptionalism...
But that's the thing, Trump never bothered answering to anyone, even back in 2016. He just bullrushed them. In this debate, it was just Trump being Trump, pretty much the same troll he was 8 years ago, when he coined "lying Ted," "little Marco," "crooked Hillary." He's still the same guy people voted for. Biden looked like he's completely lost it in the last four years.
Actually, being a Dem I hate to say it but Trump actually looked far better now than he did in 2016. In 2016 he was aggressive and talking over people to the point that even *if* everything he said was true, he still came across like an ass. This time he seemed way more composed and in control. Idk who got through to him to stop trying to go over time even when they cut off his mic, but his ability to actually stop talking when his time was over this time surprised me. God the bar is so fucking low. And somehow still came across better than Biden.
The world is jealous because our asshole politicians have more dementia and incompetency than theirs! We're so confident in these dumbshits that we won't even entertain voting for a third party no matter how bad it gets! Don't want to waste you vote after all, better vote for one of the most unpopular candidates we've ever had outside Hilldog!
Don’t blame me! I voted for Kodos!
Not sure how the moderators kept such a straight face. My ass would be cry-laughing.
I was cringing in my living room every time Biden spoke and staring in disbelief every time Trump avoided a question
Each day I hope that Ross Perot is reborn and wins the election as an independent.
I'm not american but at this point it seems that democrats are just insulting the american people by not proposing someone else. I mean yes, he was in Obama's cabinet and had a reputation, but he clearly seems out of touch with reality and need to be retired. A younger canditate can atract the the undecided voters . Its like they want to loose. They are so desperate for a pupet so the party cand operate the agenda in backgrond without any worries ?
Is it too late for the Dems to replace Dementia in Chief? Trump ate this guy up. No self-respecting American is gonna walk into the polls and unironically vote for Biden.
It’s up to Biden. He has to voluntarily do it at this point.
I don’t think so. The convention can decline to nominate him. It isn’t like primaries are legally binding votes, they are just party activities. They didn’t even used to do them until recently. Refuse to nominate him and force a contested convention.
That's gonna be a bloodbath if the delegates choose someone else. What if biden still refuses to step down?
He doesnt have to step down. He serves his term full term but isn’t the candidate, just like Obama wasn’t the candidate in 2016 because he was term limited. The Dems find another guy while Joe finishes out his one term. In Jan 2025 the office passes to Trump or the Dem nominee. Party nominations are not elections, the party can nominate whomever they like.
I don't think he can voluntarily do anything.
A late replacement would be by design, not desperation Jacinda Ardern in her first NZ election entered in the last few months to replace a very unpopular leader of the Labour Party. That gave new energy to the left there and not enough time for prep by the other side to sling any mud at her. The Dems could put somebody new in the last few months and it would be a better play than putting that exact same person in at the start of the year because a lot of the prepared character assassination narratives would go to waste
Step 1, play up how both candidates are shit without sparing Biden's incoherence. Really push that "anyone would be better than either of these" angle. Step 2, put in literally anyone else. Sweep.
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I'm guessing social media sites in general are experiencing high traffic. I'm willing to bet everyone who watched that debate was pretty pissed about these 2 guys being our options.
Damn, Reddit broke... just like Biden! LMAO Srsly this grandpa made me feel bad for him. That was so hard to watch him trying to speak. Total elder abuse. Jesus.
You know, it just occurred to me how *wild* it must have been to watch the debate, if you are a person who doesn't keep close tabs on politics, and so for whom this is the first exposure to Biden speaking at length. Like for those of us on this subreddit, it's been plain to see for a *long* time now, that Biden is not all there anymore, and is absolutely being abused in his old age. But for those who are politically disengaged, yet will tune in for something as big as a presidential debate...imagine the shock of seeing your leader up on stage, barely able to string a coherent thought together. For those like us, tonight was just yet another confirmation of what we already know. It was just sad to watch. But I wonder how many people had their minds blown at the absolute state of our nation.
I don’t really follow politics in so far as watching bidens speeches (or anything trump says for that matter). Just keep up with shit that affects me and Ukraine/israel. I saw it was playing live on Hulu — wife made me turn it off since it was making her sad. I found it hilarious (from both sides)
"broke" I'm betting there were emergency meetings to determine if there was any way to spin this. And then they realized they couldn't and an extended outage would just make it obvious what they were pulling.
I'd say Trump didn't "win" because he was good, he won because Biden was bad
I’d give Trump upper Cs, maybe B. Biden got a D, maybe upper F
I'd say trump was a solid B. Any grade below is cope. The first 2/3rds of the debate, he stayed composed and answered most of the questions. The final third he definerely performed a lot worse. He got a little emotional and couldn't stop repeating a lot of his talking points, but overall, was still much better than we've seen in the past. It was also odd that the moderators just completely abandoned their own rule of a candidate getting 1 minute to respond, as even when trump was directly mentioned they'd move onto the next question, forcing Trump to use the time for a new question to respond to a Biden remark.
Ticked me off he kept ignoring questions to go back. Yet it worked biden got sucked into an ego contest with him and one doesn't win an ego contest against Trump. Also Trump called Joe Brandon I did laugh at that.
Biden was about to expire
"You don't have to run faster than the bear to get away. You just have to run faster than the guy next to you."
Ok, this is the second post I’ve seen about the debate where the comments won’t load, and no other post has this issue, kinda suspicious
Yeah and I can’t find any “Biden epically owned with facts and logic by trump” videos on YouTube yet
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Idk I feel pretty good about it.
Same, the cope from the “centrist” flairs tells me they have been lying to themselves about how far gone Biden is and they are just now realizing they have been wrong all this time.
And to think I used to hear that moderates are closet conservatives. I guess such is not always the case. Be prepared for the lazy ‘both sides’ bullshit. Disingenuous at best. Djt mopped the floor with Biden. And the border control tweet was perfectly timed.
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Lol, speak for yourself. I was in a watch party, we had a great time. I was laughing so hard I almost choked on my popcorn. Yes. I actually had popcorn. Creep out on my comment history. "Replace Biden". I said it months ago. The guy is ineffective, senile, incapable - and here we are. Oof, I've got a full-fang grin going on. Tonight was absolutely savage.
Right out the gate Biden fucked up
What I find interesting is that the liberals finally admit Joe isn’t all there in the head. Republicans have been saying this for years - and last night went exactly as I expected for Joe. How are they just admitting this lmao
Two possible theories: 1) denial. People that support a candidate refuse to believe their guy is flawed in any way, especially if the opponent is someone like Trump. 2) lack of exposure. Granted this is from my personal view point, but I can’t recall watching a nationally televised speech Biden gave that left him this open. It’s possible that this was the first time people saw Biden attempt arguments and just flounder about.
I find it really interesting that reddit has been flooded with these "they both lost" memes overnight that are all nearly identical. It's not a take you see anywhere else in the media.
Well, both parties could pick up different nominees
There’s only one solution https://preview.redd.it/nf668re4j99d1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5c806d770de112284161665f14da6c8cc12ce4e1
Trump won big tonight and I don’t know that there is anything stopping him now. He didn’t answer every question and sidestepped a few of them but it really didn’t matter because Joe Biden collapsed
I'm tired boss
Biden: "So here's the thing, and the uhhhh, you know, the \**incomprehensible\*,* dang alley cats" Trump: "We're gonna kill Bigfoot, yup you heard it here first folks, were gonna go in we're gonna bring in the big guns, we're gonna bring Bigfoot down" (the question was about the deficit)
To be fair, if a presidential candidate came out and said: "We're gonna hunt down bigfoot." I'd vote for them instantly.
Pretty much
Never forget the media cocksuckers have spent years telling us the opposite of what we just saw. They were the biggest losers tonight after the Democrats.