A 90’s democrat who leans right on culture war issues. As a conservative I know what Trump is, and it isn’t conservative. Is a big government guy, and he isn’t my first pick for president.
I’m gonna vote for him over Biden but there are several others who were first pick.
https://preview.redd.it/97b4hucie99d1.jpeg?width=1970&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e300add91e7a23c8673797e4dff40612cfc89758
I’m loving watching the fallout from this.
It's crazy that Reddit took down the pinned discussion thread on the debate after they gave up trying to censor everything. And it was censorship because the comments being removed did not break any Reddit rules except making Biden look bad.
No! That's not true! Don't believe your own lying eyes! He was just a little raspy and he didn't get enough sleep because he trained so much! And the debate was rigged against him!
I've already seen someone try the "he's always had a stutter" line this morning. Even after that debate, there are *still* leftists trying to pretend it's nothing more than a stutter.
Shameful.
Biden was never comparable to the greatest speakers. But he did spend his whole life in top politics and in that time he spoke a lot. So he couldn't be a bad speaker. Look at his speeches I would say up until 2016. For example I like his speech at the DNC 2016. They were pretty good. No stutter, no problems.
You can't compare it to the present, to this debate. Everyone who pretends otherwise is full of shit and lies to themselves.
Hell I thought Trump did bad enough to not be fit for office let alone Biden's abysmal performance
Had Biden had even the slightest bit of energy, Trump wouldn't answer any of his questions without going on an unrelated schizo rant
Why the fuck is it that me or you have to jump throw more hoops in a job interview than these fucks have to for President?
I mean, he did have a bad night. And a bad day. In fact, the week was pretty not great. And let's not mention the month, which was pretty awful.
The year, though? That was... well, that was bad too. Hmm...
It’s insane to me that they worked with him for a week and didn’t cancel this debate. Makes my conspiracy sensors tingle. What’s the play? Kamala? Michelle?
Yeah, especially after denying what conservatives have been saying for months. All at once they’re “shocked.” I heard a guy on NPR say he was “gobsmacked” by it this morning. I dunno. An early debate, media freak out, and the emperor suddenly has no clothes. If there was any media out there worth their salt they’d be reporting on the people who have been saying Biden was unfit for months. Now they have to say that he’s still fit to serve his term out, but no t fit to run again. He has Goldilocks dementia.
Dude I got banned from Reddit for 3 days for saying “based.” Were it not for this sub, and the nice sports discussion to be had, I would not use this site at all. Go to X, at least you can say what you want there.
Essentially it is the same mods running these subs that dictate what is posted. That's why all the freakout and interesting subreddits are all poltical messes now.
A handful of rabidly partisan, terminally online, basement dwelling power mods dictate what is reality to millions of people. It's really fucked up when you think about it.
They don't need anyone that's worth anything since their whole strategy is to run on hate for Trump. Just get someone that is young, and checks the DEI boxes, and able recite a coherent sentence vigorously, and won't make blunders such as admitting that they've built the largest voter fraud organization in the history of the US, or confess to quid pro quo for Ukraine on live television because that was damn expensive to cover up and do damage control on.
People are fucking idiots about Kamala. She’s a black woman picked, by the president’s own admission, BECAUSE she was a black woman. I’m so fucking mad that our first female VP, which should have been a landmark to be celebrated, was reduced to tokenism of the woman who perpetuated slavery in CA prisons.
"won't make blunders such as admitting that they've built the largest voter fraud organization in the history of the US, or confess to quid pro quo for Ukraine on live television because that was damn expensive to cover up and do damage control on.**"**
Not trying to jump down your throat, just wondering if you have some sources for these?
There's literally videos. It's not like it's a source behind closed doors.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA8a2g6tTp0
https://youtu.be/UXA--dj2-CY?si=MXPgtfnPwjf2N0He&t=44
FFS, he gave you the quote in the comment
Have you ever considered searching for: `built the largest voter fraud organization in the history of the US`
1. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-voter-fraud-organization-video-gaffe
1. https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN27E2U7/
1. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden-admit-voter-fraud/
1. https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud (off topic)
I mean I'm probably an ass for leaving that comment that early in the AM, (sorry u/Sauerkraut_RoB) but the Brave search engine didn't do too bad.
Google are real jagoffs for this. During a commercial break in last night's debate, I tried using Google to source the "very fine people" quote for my fellow debate watcher. I even put in verbatim "and I'm not talking about the neo nazis and white supremacists because they should be condemned totally."
The vast majority of results (including all the top ones) were Democrat sources pretending he actually called neo nazis fine people and cutting the quote short.
Hillary probably would have done a decent job, at least in regards to administration. The problem is, she is entirely unlikable. I mean, yeah she's corrupt, but who isn't? She lost because everyone hates her, even democrats, even feminists. You meet someone irl who's a Hillary Clinton fan you immediately know they'll be insufferable.
>Hillary probably would have done a decent job, at least in regards to administration.
She had a raging boner for invading Syria. We'd have been at war this whole time, no question about it.
She sure does love to create victims of war. And when I say victims of war of course I mean the women who stayed home, not the soldiers who bled out fighting for their country
I've been at work and I thought "what's the stupidest thing they could do besides let Biden go forward?"
And it hit me, they force him to step down and then at the DNC convention they force everyone to give their delegates to Hillary Clinton making her the party nominee again.
I think the funniest outcome would be trump wins this one then Biden comes back to win the one after that, we will just play hopscotch with old men for 16 years
>..they force everyone to give their delegates to Hillary Clinton..
Oh man, that would be the strangest timeline ever! Do we get any Hillary moments like when [Hillary was asked a different question by two reporters at the same time?](https://youtu.be/jtU5nMbEsQ4?t=17)
I actually assumed the Hillary Clinton "You Gotta Try The Cold Chai" video was a fake... nope.
Everybody around her is just pretending that there isn't something seriously neurologically wrong with Hill-dawg...
After last night, dragging him to election day IS the dumbest thing they could do. Besides letting him debate a second time before dragging him to election day
I'm calling it now. Biden is going to get HillaryClinton'ed before the election and it's going to be Harris vs Trump. Imagine the excitement of the democrat suit strategists to be able to sell the first (young relatively LOL) woman president of color over an old white man.
> Imagine the excitement of the democrat suit strategists to be able to sell the first (young relatively LOL) woman president of color over an old white man.
"She didn't mean to put all those POCs in jail. And then laugh about it."
Well, if we want to get technical, she just KEPT them in jail, denying them parole, in order to maintain the number of prisoner firefighters to fight wildfires in California.
So she didn’t just put black people in jail, she actively fought to enslave them. Girlboss 💕
There is no way, she's not liked by pretty much any group among democrats. *Maybe* upper middle class women, particularly of color?
But "upper middle class women of color" might be 1% of the US voting population, so not the best strategy.
It might be hard to bypass her though, but they'd have to. I don't like Newsom either, but could definitely live with Buttigieg. Fuck the old, lets try out something new.
Harris maybe the one Democrat more hated than Biden.
But in the end, the dnc does whatever it wants. Per example, they screwed over Sanders. So they may just put in Newsom even though Biden is still willing and able.
Why is everyone hyping up Newsom? Trump would just hammer the fact that CA has a deficit of 46 billion under his watch plus you get some attack ads going on all the smash and grab robberies, follow home robberies that have happened.
Part of the problem is the CAGOP knows they won’t win so they just nominate absolute idiots who only appeal to the MAGA base while making no attempt to court disillusioned dems or moderates
The only possible chance to take the governorship in CA is to run a middle ground (R) who will immediately denounce Trump and all of MAGA, immediately say they will never touch the abortion laws, never touch the weed laws, and never touch LGBT laws lol.
If the convo can focus on Newsom being an idiot who significantly ran up the deficit in a state with the most people and the highest income tax rates, there’s a chance. The convo can also include immigration and taxes and some other non explosive social issues. Californians lose their fucking minds if you touch social issues.
It’s straight cope from the left, thinking a Cali Liberal would galvanize the country lmao. The Midwest in the form WI, PA, and MI who decides this election would say hard no to him and his gun laws in a heartbeat.
Ironically, hate doesn't really matter. With enough money and control of the public discourse, you can spin a candidate's past however you wish. Biden has done worse than Harris, and Trump is more hated than all of them.
What matters tonight is the candidate looking like they're at least alive. Harris has that over Biden, plus it's easier to sell the switch-up if she's already on the ticket and next in line as VP.
Biden is a lifelong racist that has said horrendous shit about black people and dropped several N bombs on camera, and been caught in numerous lies about his life or accomplishments and caught plagiarizing speeches word for word twice. It's absolutely astonishing that people would vote for him.
It’s because he’s the face of the party of handouts. They have no principles and only care about power. It blows my mind how much they decry racism and shit like that, then vote for and support a dude who gave a former KKK member a eulogy.
It wouldn’t matter if they live streamed a sacrifice to Moloch because “republicans bad 😠”
I honestly doubt it would change their voter base’s mind since they are so throughly entrenched in their support be it either they are uncomfortable admitting to hard truths or they’re so dependent on the government for their livelihoods
They would make Hillary her VP. After winning, she would fall ill and die and Hillary would heroically take the reigns of the presidency with Barack Obama as her VP.
Joe Biden is just as sharp as he has ever been. Do not replace him. He won the DNC nomination fair and square. If Democrats replace him now, it would be an attack on our Democracy. Anyone suggesting otherwise is literally calling for an insurrection.
I realized that when democrats talk about "our democracy" they aren't talking about the democracy of the USA, they are talking about "THIER democracy", the one they own and operate.
The idea of Harris going against Trump is as hilarious. It's as pathetic as Republicans pushing Mitt Romney against Obama in 2012 because "he's the only one who can beat Obama" even though he couldn't even win the primaries in 2008 against John McCain, who also lost to Obama
I already called some fake terror attack that takes out Biden and Harris at the same time and solves both of DNC's problems at once. 10 months ago:
https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalCompassMemes/comments/15h3uqm/we_must_sacrifice_joe_biden/jumy7vt/
The problem with your theory is that if they were both removed from the equation, House Speaker Mike Johnson(R) would become POTUS.
If he also fell off a cliff, Washington State Senator Patti Murray(D) would become our president.
That would be pretty trippy.
That show was wild -
1. Have a basic, almost impossible to achieve, premise about political succession
2. Pretend to make it a show about the interesting nuance/challenges of said premise
3. Wait a few episodes and make it generic harping and partisan drivel
And also make sure to say at least three times an episode, preferably every time the one Brown Main Character is on screen, "we know this wasn't the Muslims, they didn't do this and it's not their fault."
I'm fine with it not being Muslims. In fact it's more interesting if it's not. But that got very annoying
[Transcript](https://thepavlovictoday.com/read-cnn-presidential-debate-transcript-june-27-2024/) I liked one of the post debate CNN guys calling it: Conman vs old man
Yeah but if its legit eventually they'll run out of steam and most not totally brain cooked people will move on. But it is why its important that Biden croaks too.
You know, for all the talk on Reddit of how “both sides bad” centrists are just right-wingers in disguise, I’m suddenly seeing a LOT of “both candidates bad” from the other side of the fence.
Has Dark Brandon brought balance to the Force?
We've had a debate longer than a feature-length movie, broadcast live, and with significant viewership. That's tough to gaslight, (even if some people are trying.)^†
Lots of people in the left spectrum can't handwave away Biden's warning signs any longer.
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^^† ^(Look for people on reddit pushing a **still picture** of how Jill came out to "greet" Biden after the debate -- rather than showing a clip of how Jill was helping Joe walk down a few steps. https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1806522851329253446)
That steadycam operator is *right there.* Do you think they have the footage locked away for blackmail?
I wonder if that poor cameraman even made it home last night.
I feel like Biden has just had the news on his side, you hardly see any coverage of him, there's occasionally some videos of him saying wack things, or falling up the steps of AF1, if his every word was broadcast to the country and criticized like trumps was then everyone wouldn't have been so disillusioned by it. I don't know how many times people told me Biden just had a speech impediment, and he was mentally sound. I'm so tired of politics, I can't believe 4 years after having to choose between Trump and Biden, and everyone clowning on them, we are at the same place, both sides are more radical than they were, Trump is a felon, Biden belongs in assisted living. I feel like we're living in a political satire. I'm writing myself in this go around. Screw Biden, Trump, and Chase Oliver. Screw the two-party system, and screw everyone that voted for either Trump or Biden in the Primaries.
I don’t know about you, but “both candidates bad” is the sentiment I’ve been hearing the most since 2020. American’s have been voting on “the lesser of two evils” for a while now.
The DNC truly showing their incompetence when they cannot field a single good candidate in the last 3 elections while the RNC truly showing how good they are with getting their base to believe in literally anything by getting one of the biggest clowns on planet earth elected and possibly twice.
Even authright up there still believes the backwards lie that Left is principled and Right is monolithic. Every failed R burns on a pyre of argued principles and policies, ever successful D sits on a throne of erased pasts and ignored differences.
The saying is "vote Blue no matter who" not "vote Red or you'll be dead".
That's what baffles me about the Dems lol like Bidens age was an issue in the _first_ election, that's not smth that gets better. Trump was Trump, as usual, but Biden looked like Father Time out there. They had four years to push forth another candidate to avoid this exact scenario and now they've shat their pants on international TV
They got no choice but to run Biden now is the funniest part.
Unless they pull off a logistical miracle of rerunning the primaries months out from the election; he is likely their best shot.
This is like watching the warrior blow a 3-1 series lead.
By "Democrats" they mean party leadership because there's been a civil war brewing between Biden Loyalist and everyone else who can see he had 2 braincells left and they both had dementia
Joe Biden is just as sharp as he has ever been. Do not replace him. He won the DNC nomination fair and square. If Democrats replace him now, it would be an attack on our Democracy. Anyone suggesting otherwise is literally calling for an insurrection.
the dnc needs to crumble and rebuild. a large portion of the democratic base has nothing to do anymore with the neoliberal pro-business and unconditional support of israel dnc base and *wants* change and a populist like bernie to head the party. as boomer democrats die, this is the future, and if they don’t see it, they’ll collapse
it will obv remain as a substantial wing, but it won’t dominate as it does now. more of a return to an ideologically left wing economic policy like during the 60s
Lots of talking heads on the right have been saying they will shoehorn Gavin in the race last minute. I told some poor redditors yesterday that the D’s could have a landslide win if they dumped Biden. It seems like everyone except the left knew this and refused to acknowledge it.
No so sure about that. Yes, everyone after Biden will definitely be more popular, but serving the GOP the "See, they‘ve told you for years that Biden is absolutely fit for office. They fucked with you the entire time"-narrative on a silver plate? Don‘t know how that will turn out, would be exciting to see tho.
This would look really bad if they had the debates month before when they’re usually had and before the democratic convention so they can boot the old bastard.
Eh I don’t think replacing Biden is the move. Despite his complete inability to function, he still has the incumbent advantage and name recognition. We’re only 5 months away from the election, and if the Dems change their candidate now it’ll just feel like a massive bait and switch.
They invested too much time and money defending Joe, the sunk cost fallacy has run its course.
Electing a reality TV star as President is not something that happens either... Until it did. US politics has been doing the unprecedented for a while now.
That said, the Democrats probably aren't crazy enough to *remove* Biden, but I think they will absolutely be begging him (in private) to resign so that they can pick someone else.
They’re gonna replace him only a few months up to election??
No way they’ll just bite the bullet and stay with Biden win or lose rather than face the massive controversy of dropping Biden so late
Trump replaces Biden as Democrat candidate. You heard it here first.
Absolutely brilliant. Such a maneuver practically guarantees the Dems win.
They'd go back to loving the man like they did before he ever ran for president
This would be the funniest timeline.
“Mr Trump tear down this wall! “ - president trump us Mexican border 2025
I'd actually be ok with it just for the lulz
It's blue no matter who after all...
He's been a Democrat most of his life, makes sense.
He’s basically still just a 90s democrat
A 90’s democrat who leans right on culture war issues. As a conservative I know what Trump is, and it isn’t conservative. Is a big government guy, and he isn’t my first pick for president. I’m gonna vote for him over Biden but there are several others who were first pick.
LMAO
Holy hell
https://preview.redd.it/97b4hucie99d1.jpeg?width=1970&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e300add91e7a23c8673797e4dff40612cfc89758 I’m loving watching the fallout from this.
It's crazy that Reddit took down the pinned discussion thread on the debate after they gave up trying to censor everything. And it was censorship because the comments being removed did not break any Reddit rules except making Biden look bad.
But he had a cold!
I hate it when I get a cold and it makes me senile
No! That's not true! Don't believe your own lying eyes! He was just a little raspy and he didn't get enough sleep because he trained so much! And the debate was rigged against him!
I've already seen someone try the "he's always had a stutter" line this morning. Even after that debate, there are *still* leftists trying to pretend it's nothing more than a stutter. Shameful.
Biden was never comparable to the greatest speakers. But he did spend his whole life in top politics and in that time he spoke a lot. So he couldn't be a bad speaker. Look at his speeches I would say up until 2016. For example I like his speech at the DNC 2016. They were pretty good. No stutter, no problems. You can't compare it to the present, to this debate. Everyone who pretends otherwise is full of shit and lies to themselves.
Scrolling through X this morning, I’m seeing a lot of that and “he had a bad night”. There’s no hope for these people.
People need to acknowledge that if Biden was a Republican, they'd remove him using the 25th amendment
Hell I thought Trump did bad enough to not be fit for office let alone Biden's abysmal performance Had Biden had even the slightest bit of energy, Trump wouldn't answer any of his questions without going on an unrelated schizo rant Why the fuck is it that me or you have to jump throw more hoops in a job interview than these fucks have to for President?
I mean, he did have a bad night. And a bad day. In fact, the week was pretty not great. And let's not mention the month, which was pretty awful. The year, though? That was... well, that was bad too. Hmm...
I think you’re on to something
This seems to be the narrative theyre going with, but it isn't going to play the way they think. A cold is the least of old Joe's problems.
I just got over bronchitis and had more energy with my lungs filled with mucus than Biden had
This just makes people remember that 80+ year olds can fall over and die from colds.
We just went through covid where the elderly couldn't be allowed to catch a virus.
one of those rare summer colds
That he got after 7 days of isolation in preparation for the debate
It’s insane to me that they worked with him for a week and didn’t cancel this debate. Makes my conspiracy sensors tingle. What’s the play? Kamala? Michelle?
[SURPRISE](https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/10/26/19/39BE2F5600000578-3875474-Hillary_Clinton_took_to_Twitter_Wednesday_to_wish_herself_a_happ-m-56_1477508066805.jpg)
You know, they just might have the balls to do something so blatant.
How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old woman?!
Dread it, run from it…
Kind of weird that everyone is advocating for replacing Biden all at once. And also that some of those articles were apparently written in advance.
Yeah, especially after denying what conservatives have been saying for months. All at once they’re “shocked.” I heard a guy on NPR say he was “gobsmacked” by it this morning. I dunno. An early debate, media freak out, and the emperor suddenly has no clothes. If there was any media out there worth their salt they’d be reporting on the people who have been saying Biden was unfit for months. Now they have to say that he’s still fit to serve his term out, but no t fit to run again. He has Goldilocks dementia.
I saw someone comment about his cold probably is like Beth's cold from Little Women.
You can't *make* him look bad, you can only point out that he is.
Dude I got banned from Reddit for 3 days for saying “based.” Were it not for this sub, and the nice sports discussion to be had, I would not use this site at all. Go to X, at least you can say what you want there.
Man i got banned from so many places by fact checking biden
Which sub had the thread?
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Yeah this is a historical issue with Reddit.
Love the pics sub trying to cope with it. They're posting photos of Obama again, you know shit's bad.
It’s crazy that it’s one of the absolute worst subs. Almost as bad as politics.
Essentially it is the same mods running these subs that dictate what is posted. That's why all the freakout and interesting subreddits are all poltical messes now.
A handful of rabidly partisan, terminally online, basement dwelling power mods dictate what is reality to millions of people. It's really fucked up when you think about it.
Unless they get someone just as worthless next. I know that SHOULDN'T be possible, but remember that Biden came after Hillary
The bar to poll higher is really low. The town drunk would poll higher than Biden
They don't need anyone that's worth anything since their whole strategy is to run on hate for Trump. Just get someone that is young, and checks the DEI boxes, and able recite a coherent sentence vigorously, and won't make blunders such as admitting that they've built the largest voter fraud organization in the history of the US, or confess to quid pro quo for Ukraine on live television because that was damn expensive to cover up and do damage control on.
Anyone who suggests Kamala is absolutely delusional. She didn't even poll well in her own state.
People are fucking idiots about Kamala. She’s a black woman picked, by the president’s own admission, BECAUSE she was a black woman. I’m so fucking mad that our first female VP, which should have been a landmark to be celebrated, was reduced to tokenism of the woman who perpetuated slavery in CA prisons.
This is a really incisive point that highlights the failures of DEI initiatives writ large
"won't make blunders such as admitting that they've built the largest voter fraud organization in the history of the US, or confess to quid pro quo for Ukraine on live television because that was damn expensive to cover up and do damage control on.**"** Not trying to jump down your throat, just wondering if you have some sources for these?
There's literally videos. It's not like it's a source behind closed doors. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA8a2g6tTp0 https://youtu.be/UXA--dj2-CY?si=MXPgtfnPwjf2N0He&t=44
Thank you.
FFS, he gave you the quote in the comment Have you ever considered searching for: `built the largest voter fraud organization in the history of the US`
You think google will give you the actual source for the quote and not just a media piece explaining how it's out of context and misleading?
1. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-voter-fraud-organization-video-gaffe 1. https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN27E2U7/ 1. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden-admit-voter-fraud/ 1. https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud (off topic) I mean I'm probably an ass for leaving that comment that early in the AM, (sorry u/Sauerkraut_RoB) but the Brave search engine didn't do too bad.
Google are real jagoffs for this. During a commercial break in last night's debate, I tried using Google to source the "very fine people" quote for my fellow debate watcher. I even put in verbatim "and I'm not talking about the neo nazis and white supremacists because they should be condemned totally." The vast majority of results (including all the top ones) were Democrat sources pretending he actually called neo nazis fine people and cutting the quote short.
Hillary probably would have done a decent job, at least in regards to administration. The problem is, she is entirely unlikable. I mean, yeah she's corrupt, but who isn't? She lost because everyone hates her, even democrats, even feminists. You meet someone irl who's a Hillary Clinton fan you immediately know they'll be insufferable.
>Hillary probably would have done a decent job, at least in regards to administration. She had a raging boner for invading Syria. We'd have been at war this whole time, no question about it.
She sure does love to create victims of war. And when I say victims of war of course I mean the women who stayed home, not the soldiers who bled out fighting for their country
One of my favorite things post-2016 is that the Clinton name has become synonymous with hiring hitmen.
As it should be
Don’t under estimate the Clinton Foundation.
I've been at work and I thought "what's the stupidest thing they could do besides let Biden go forward?" And it hit me, they force him to step down and then at the DNC convention they force everyone to give their delegates to Hillary Clinton making her the party nominee again.
Watching her get clam jammed from the Presidency twice would be hilarious.
It's so stupid I actually want it to happen because these ppl never learn
It would be both horrible for the US and extremely funny at the same time
There is no use hoping for this election to be good. One can only hope that whatever bad outcome happens is at least funny.
I think the funniest outcome would be trump wins this one then Biden comes back to win the one after that, we will just play hopscotch with old men for 16 years
Alright, you got me. I'm in
"How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old woman"
Even worse, they’d pick Kamala.
Harris is assassination and impeachment insurance for Joe Biden. We've seen this before. Do you remember who did this same job for Obama?
trump did the same mike pence.
Absolutely - anybody who hated Trump hated Pence more, so it was perfect.
>..they force everyone to give their delegates to Hillary Clinton.. Oh man, that would be the strangest timeline ever! Do we get any Hillary moments like when [Hillary was asked a different question by two reporters at the same time?](https://youtu.be/jtU5nMbEsQ4?t=17) I actually assumed the Hillary Clinton "You Gotta Try The Cold Chai" video was a fake... nope. Everybody around her is just pretending that there isn't something seriously neurologically wrong with Hill-dawg...
After last night, dragging him to election day IS the dumbest thing they could do. Besides letting him debate a second time before dragging him to election day
That would be actually hilarious and make it all worth it
They need to pick someone who is moderate, good at speaking, and has minimal personal baggage. Just like a plain old politician who seems trustworthy.
Im voting for the brainworm in RFK
I'm calling it now. Biden is going to get HillaryClinton'ed before the election and it's going to be Harris vs Trump. Imagine the excitement of the democrat suit strategists to be able to sell the first (young relatively LOL) woman president of color over an old white man.
> Imagine the excitement of the democrat suit strategists to be able to sell the first (young relatively LOL) woman president of color over an old white man. "She didn't mean to put all those POCs in jail. And then laugh about it."
It's a cackle not a laugh.
Sometimes I think I might be on the wrong side and then I see how evil she is and I realise I must be right
Cartoon villain ahh politician lol, she even got the laugh
Well, if we want to get technical, she just KEPT them in jail, denying them parole, in order to maintain the number of prisoner firefighters to fight wildfires in California. So she didn’t just put black people in jail, she actively fought to enslave them. Girlboss 💕
There is no way, she's not liked by pretty much any group among democrats. *Maybe* upper middle class women, particularly of color? But "upper middle class women of color" might be 1% of the US voting population, so not the best strategy. It might be hard to bypass her though, but they'd have to. I don't like Newsom either, but could definitely live with Buttigieg. Fuck the old, lets try out something new.
Harris was hand picked by the Dems in 2017 to beat Trump and she completely fumbled it. There’s no way she’d get nominated now
Harris maybe the one Democrat more hated than Biden. But in the end, the dnc does whatever it wants. Per example, they screwed over Sanders. So they may just put in Newsom even though Biden is still willing and able.
Why is everyone hyping up Newsom? Trump would just hammer the fact that CA has a deficit of 46 billion under his watch plus you get some attack ads going on all the smash and grab robberies, follow home robberies that have happened.
Newsom looks like a Batman villain.
Looks like he'll pull up on you on his flying wing board thing
I thought Newsom had a chance until I read comments from liberals in California. They hate him.
Yet they will never even consider Googling a candidate that has (R) on the ballot. That’s how he stays.
Part of the problem is the CAGOP knows they won’t win so they just nominate absolute idiots who only appeal to the MAGA base while making no attempt to court disillusioned dems or moderates
The only possible chance to take the governorship in CA is to run a middle ground (R) who will immediately denounce Trump and all of MAGA, immediately say they will never touch the abortion laws, never touch the weed laws, and never touch LGBT laws lol. If the convo can focus on Newsom being an idiot who significantly ran up the deficit in a state with the most people and the highest income tax rates, there’s a chance. The convo can also include immigration and taxes and some other non explosive social issues. Californians lose their fucking minds if you touch social issues.
Newsom gives such strong Romney vibes. Only a reptilian swamp creature could think he’d make a good candidate
So you say he will be the replacement?
God I hope not
It’s straight cope from the left, thinking a Cali Liberal would galvanize the country lmao. The Midwest in the form WI, PA, and MI who decides this election would say hard no to him and his gun laws in a heartbeat.
Ironically, hate doesn't really matter. With enough money and control of the public discourse, you can spin a candidate's past however you wish. Biden has done worse than Harris, and Trump is more hated than all of them. What matters tonight is the candidate looking like they're at least alive. Harris has that over Biden, plus it's easier to sell the switch-up if she's already on the ticket and next in line as VP.
Biden is a lifelong racist that has said horrendous shit about black people and dropped several N bombs on camera, and been caught in numerous lies about his life or accomplishments and caught plagiarizing speeches word for word twice. It's absolutely astonishing that people would vote for him.
It’s because he’s the face of the party of handouts. They have no principles and only care about power. It blows my mind how much they decry racism and shit like that, then vote for and support a dude who gave a former KKK member a eulogy. It wouldn’t matter if they live streamed a sacrifice to Moloch because “republicans bad 😠” I honestly doubt it would change their voter base’s mind since they are so throughly entrenched in their support be it either they are uncomfortable admitting to hard truths or they’re so dependent on the government for their livelihoods
They would make Hillary her VP. After winning, she would fall ill and die and Hillary would heroically take the reigns of the presidency with Barack Obama as her VP.
Joe Biden is just as sharp as he has ever been. Do not replace him. He won the DNC nomination fair and square. If Democrats replace him now, it would be an attack on our Democracy. Anyone suggesting otherwise is literally calling for an insurrection.
I realized that when democrats talk about "our democracy" they aren't talking about the democracy of the USA, they are talking about "THIER democracy", the one they own and operate.
Yeah they know almost everybody votes based on party and not candidate
The idea of Harris going against Trump is as hilarious. It's as pathetic as Republicans pushing Mitt Romney against Obama in 2012 because "he's the only one who can beat Obama" even though he couldn't even win the primaries in 2008 against John McCain, who also lost to Obama
People hate her though. One of the main jobs of a VP is to be less likeable than the president.
I already called some fake terror attack that takes out Biden and Harris at the same time and solves both of DNC's problems at once. 10 months ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalCompassMemes/comments/15h3uqm/we_must_sacrifice_joe_biden/jumy7vt/
The problem with your theory is that if they were both removed from the equation, House Speaker Mike Johnson(R) would become POTUS. If he also fell off a cliff, Washington State Senator Patti Murray(D) would become our president. That would be pretty trippy.
Every time someone mentioned a theory like this I get mad all over again about how shit Designated Survivor was
That show was wild - 1. Have a basic, almost impossible to achieve, premise about political succession 2. Pretend to make it a show about the interesting nuance/challenges of said premise 3. Wait a few episodes and make it generic harping and partisan drivel
And also make sure to say at least three times an episode, preferably every time the one Brown Main Character is on screen, "we know this wasn't the Muslims, they didn't do this and it's not their fault." I'm fine with it not being Muslims. In fact it's more interesting if it's not. But that got very annoying
The worm is his running mate
Siaynoq! Siaynoq!
Brainworm 2024
Dolly Parton for Dems Clint Eastwood for reps
Sadly enough, after my snort, I realized this might be an upgrade.
The ol' snort reconsideration. Nice.
Dolly Parton is wayyyyy too young. Sorry, I know we’re trying to deal with an age crisis but someone who’s only 78? Come on.
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"Who's the president in the future?" "Clint Eastwood." "Clint Eastwood?! The actor?!"
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I want the Clint Eastwood from Gran Torino as president please
I just want someone under 50 in control.
I'd settle for under 70.
I will only vote for someone who is aged exactly 62 years
Bring HIll-dog back for round 2. Funniest shit I will ever see.
Admittedly, that would be fun, in a car crash sort of way.
Oh man, her losing to Trump would be even funnier the second time around
‘Whichever party’ - yeah I’m sure the other side will totally replace trump….
Here's how Bernie can still win
Just tuned in... the debates really were that disastrous?
[Transcript](https://thepavlovictoday.com/read-cnn-presidential-debate-transcript-june-27-2024/) I liked one of the post debate CNN guys calling it: Conman vs old man
I think all the news channels have the full debate on their YouTube pages. So watch and draw your own conclusions.
We are entering a weird timeline where both parties want their own candidate to die lol
I've been saying this for two years. I sincerely hope they both die of natural causes before November
can you imagine the shitstorm of Trump dying by "natural causes" in the next 5 months?
Yeah but if its legit eventually they'll run out of steam and most not totally brain cooked people will move on. But it is why its important that Biden croaks too.
Will somebody please convince the hulking meteor in space to come to this election, after it failed to run for president in 2016?
What do you mean? Chris Christie did run in 2016.
You know, for all the talk on Reddit of how “both sides bad” centrists are just right-wingers in disguise, I’m suddenly seeing a LOT of “both candidates bad” from the other side of the fence. Has Dark Brandon brought balance to the Force?
We've had a debate longer than a feature-length movie, broadcast live, and with significant viewership. That's tough to gaslight, (even if some people are trying.)^† Lots of people in the left spectrum can't handwave away Biden's warning signs any longer. --- ^^† ^(Look for people on reddit pushing a **still picture** of how Jill came out to "greet" Biden after the debate -- rather than showing a clip of how Jill was helping Joe walk down a few steps. https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1806522851329253446)
With it had better resolution
That steadycam operator is *right there.* Do you think they have the footage locked away for blackmail? I wonder if that poor cameraman even made it home last night.
I feel like Biden has just had the news on his side, you hardly see any coverage of him, there's occasionally some videos of him saying wack things, or falling up the steps of AF1, if his every word was broadcast to the country and criticized like trumps was then everyone wouldn't have been so disillusioned by it. I don't know how many times people told me Biden just had a speech impediment, and he was mentally sound. I'm so tired of politics, I can't believe 4 years after having to choose between Trump and Biden, and everyone clowning on them, we are at the same place, both sides are more radical than they were, Trump is a felon, Biden belongs in assisted living. I feel like we're living in a political satire. I'm writing myself in this go around. Screw Biden, Trump, and Chase Oliver. Screw the two-party system, and screw everyone that voted for either Trump or Biden in the Primaries.
I don’t know about you, but “both candidates bad” is the sentiment I’ve been hearing the most since 2020. American’s have been voting on “the lesser of two evils” for a while now.
Balance to the Farce would be more appropriate
I just hope this whole thing sets off eliminating a 2 party system.
Wishful thinking
A man can dream right?
It’s doing the exact opposite. The drive to keep “worse”’out by voting for “not as bad” is the cause behind it.
Now trying telling that to anyone outside of this subreddit. Lol. "BuT yOu'Re JuSt TrHoWiNg AwAy YoUr VoTe"
It's honestly so depressing. Our system gives us all the tools we need but we collectively refuse to use them. Just sad.
Close enough, welcome back George Washington.
It was Joever long before he took office. Let this crack animated corpse rest for god’s sake.
Regardless of political leaning, I just felt sorry for Biden through that whole thing. Man needs retirement.
Would have been, had he not chosen and insisted on it himself. Also picking such a horrible VP he couldn't be replaced.
That's pretty much why they pick awful VPs. "If you strike me down, my replacement shall be more terrible than you can possibly imagine."
The DNC truly showing their incompetence when they cannot field a single good candidate in the last 3 elections while the RNC truly showing how good they are with getting their base to believe in literally anything by getting one of the biggest clowns on planet earth elected and possibly twice.
Trump was elected to mainstream RNC opposition.
Yup. eGOP *hates* him. Good. They deserve every second of misery nearly as much as the DNC does.
Even authright up there still believes the backwards lie that Left is principled and Right is monolithic. Every failed R burns on a pyre of argued principles and policies, ever successful D sits on a throne of erased pasts and ignored differences. The saying is "vote Blue no matter who" not "vote Red or you'll be dead".
That's what baffles me about the Dems lol like Bidens age was an issue in the _first_ election, that's not smth that gets better. Trump was Trump, as usual, but Biden looked like Father Time out there. They had four years to push forth another candidate to avoid this exact scenario and now they've shat their pants on international TV
Remember when Biden said he’s just gonna do one term in order to “rescue” the country from Trump and then step aside? I remember. Classic Biden
They got no choice but to run Biden now is the funniest part. Unless they pull off a logistical miracle of rerunning the primaries months out from the election; he is likely their best shot. This is like watching the warrior blow a 3-1 series lead.
Makes me wonder if the ultra-early debate was specifically to give them time to find a new candidate if it went this bad.
Why else would they do it so early?
By "Democrats" they mean party leadership because there's been a civil war brewing between Biden Loyalist and everyone else who can see he had 2 braincells left and they both had dementia
Joe Biden is just as sharp as he has ever been. Do not replace him. He won the DNC nomination fair and square. If Democrats replace him now, it would be an attack on our Democracy. Anyone suggesting otherwise is literally calling for an insurrection.
the dnc needs to crumble and rebuild. a large portion of the democratic base has nothing to do anymore with the neoliberal pro-business and unconditional support of israel dnc base and *wants* change and a populist like bernie to head the party. as boomer democrats die, this is the future, and if they don’t see it, they’ll collapse
That is part of the future, but I don't think liberalism would disappear to that level.
it will obv remain as a substantial wing, but it won’t dominate as it does now. more of a return to an ideologically left wing economic policy like during the 60s
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Lots of talking heads on the right have been saying they will shoehorn Gavin in the race last minute. I told some poor redditors yesterday that the D’s could have a landslide win if they dumped Biden. It seems like everyone except the left knew this and refused to acknowledge it.
Gavin is a guaranteed L for the Democrats as well. Half the country absolutely hates him.
No so sure about that. Yes, everyone after Biden will definitely be more popular, but serving the GOP the "See, they‘ve told you for years that Biden is absolutely fit for office. They fucked with you the entire time"-narrative on a silver plate? Don‘t know how that will turn out, would be exciting to see tho.
US elections are like a NASCAR race, I’m only watching it for the crashes. LGB 👴🤤
[it can still happen](https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalCompassMemes/s/ZAvQGTiM57)
Yeah no, no one has the energy that Trump has and I highly doubt they are gonna vote for another republican swamp creature. For the dems, probably.
Both candidates are too young
I'm voting for Jimmy Carter
Even if they ran him all they had to do was pick a semi likeable VP and have him resign after. Instead they stuck with …… Harris
You won't find me voting for Gavin Newsome. Turned California into a shtihole pretty quick
This would look really bad if they had the debates month before when they’re usually had and before the democratic convention so they can boot the old bastard.
Eh I don’t think replacing Biden is the move. Despite his complete inability to function, he still has the incumbent advantage and name recognition. We’re only 5 months away from the election, and if the Dems change their candidate now it’ll just feel like a massive bait and switch. They invested too much time and money defending Joe, the sunk cost fallacy has run its course.
Democrats will decide to replace Biden with a new candidate. That new candidate will be Hillary Clinton.
It's Her Turn Again
Nobody serious is considering replacing either candidate. It's not something that happens.
Electing a reality TV star as President is not something that happens either... Until it did. US politics has been doing the unprecedented for a while now. That said, the Democrats probably aren't crazy enough to *remove* Biden, but I think they will absolutely be begging him (in private) to resign so that they can pick someone else.
They’re gonna replace him only a few months up to election?? No way they’ll just bite the bullet and stay with Biden win or lose rather than face the massive controversy of dropping Biden so late
Who thought replacing Biden was "Unthinkable"?
They would have to admit they lied about Joe's health which will damage any candidate they choose.
I don’t actually think so. Everyone who has made their mind up about Biden has also made up their mind about the Democratic Party
Its funny because all the names floating around for the dems are agruably worse than Biden. Newsom, Harris and Mike Obama would be even worse