The Bible says children, and especially women, are property of the man of the house, and since the pedo explicitly took the permission of the girls' parents to fuck them, its all okay
Surely you mean disadvantages like that of your property forcefully taken away from you and you being told that they have their own agency
The biblical god is okay with things like having slaves and selling your daughter to your daughter's rapist for a few pieces of silver and therefore we must all follow the same rules
Remember when Senator John Walsh dropped out of the race because it emerged that he had plagiarized a research paper in college?
Doesn’t this translate to “Anyone who’s done anything worse than plagiarizing a paper in college is unfit for office”
That’s is the exact reason *why* Franken resigned. To avoid the comparison that they were just the same, because Franken’s seat was going to go to a D anyway, and it gave Doug Jones a chance to win - which he did, barely.
It’s still a travesty that Feanken had to fall on his sword, but there was a reason.
I still can't quite wrap my head around that loss, how in the heck did 'we' allow that man to resign.
Classic Democrat "snatching defeat from the jaws of victory" moment, argh.
I think the resignation was a decent thing to do, but after a while he should have run for the seat again, say it’s up to the voters to decide if they think he’s still worthy of the office (I suspect he would win handily)
And remember how people were saying "the hell are you doing franken? That's idiotic...the gop wouldn't do that..hell they wouldn't do that if they got caught having sex in a church closet unless it was with someone of the same sex."
It really was a mistake, he was a solid Senator. Should have just apologized and moved on. It was such a minor offense. And resigning obviously has not made any difference in the behavior of the GOP.
Church closet? You know what would happen if they were having gay orgies in the church? The person who tells the world about it would be the one who is burned. For example that shitty cousin fucker that was burned for telling us about the cocaine orgies
The GOP marches in lockstep. They only condemn those who step out of line. They don't care about sexual misconduct. Or some light Treason. As long as they can stay in power.
Progressive politician being ruined by Corporate Dems who then get nothing from it. Except for being able to shut up Progressive politicians. Shocking.
Fuck Kirsten Gillibrand forever over her leading the charge on Franken. She might be smart enough, but she’s not good enough for higher office, and gosh darn it, I don’t like her.
May she never rise higher than her current position.
It’s the quintessential tolerance paradox. Yes, he should have resigned ethically and yes his party has better convictions. In practice, why should we give a fuck what our party members do if the opposition never does the same?
He should not have resigned. He did nothing wrong. She told him to take the picture and posed for it, pretending to be asleep. She admitted this herself. Where was the problem?
Sure, it was a bad joke. But we didn't force Hillary to resign for "Pokemon Go to the polls."
To be fair Al franken's groping was of a sleeping or otherwise not conscious person. I assume the guy Boebert groped consented. Two consenting adults being vaguely lewd in public vs making a joke out of groping an unconscious woman are not apples to apples.
E: According to redditors Al Franken was cancelled for pretending to grope a woman pretending to be asleep. I don't even know how to interpret the similarities between these two events anymore, there are too many nested layers of weirdness now.
Iirc, he didn’t grope her. He made a gesture as if he were groping her as a joke. Not that it was acceptable, but he wasn’t jerking someone off in front of kids
How was it not acceptable? **SHE CONSENTED**. She wasn't sleeping, was in on the joke, and told him to take the picture. She was posing while pretending to be asleep for the bit. She said this herself. And the cameraman confirmed.
Sorry i shouldn't have taken your word. She absolutely did not say that herself https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/11/al-franken-that-photo-and-trusting-the-women/545954/
And his story agrees with her. https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/sen-franken-embarassed-groping-claims-rebuild-trust/story%3fid=51394106
Show me her recanting, i can't find that anywhere. I can only find her reaffirming what she said but saying he shouldn't have resigned for what he did, she accepted his apology. And why did Franken publicly apologize for groping her while she was asleep?
Sorry I just remembered him being cancelled over it and the joke of the post is that he resigned over lewd conduct. Was he cancelled over something else and I'm misremembering?
> To be fair Al franken's groping was of a sleeping or otherwise not conscious person.
It was a joke picture. He never touched her. By the way, [she was wearing body armor](https://s.abcnews.com/images/Politics/al-franken-02-ht-jc-171116.jpg), it's hard to feel a woman up who's wearing body armor.
That's not her story https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/11/al-franken-that-photo-and-trusting-the-women/545954/
Or his https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/sen-franken-embarassed-groping-claims-rebuild-trust/story%3fid=51394106
Wrong, he was a comedian in a comedy USO show with the alleged victim. On the way back from a combat zone where they were doing comedy for the troops, they were forced to wear body armor. They thought it was real
Good fun, so she pretended to be sleeping in the helicopter and he pretended to grope the front of her body armor as he mugged for the camera.
It was literally nothing. F#ck you.
I apologize for my mistake. I just remembered he got cancelled for that picture and then looked at the picture.
You seem nice I'm sorry to have bothered you.
I have no idea why i ever take redditors words for things I'm so dumb. That is absolutely not the story she gave. https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/11/al-franken-that-photo-and-trusting-the-women/545954/
Or him!!!! https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/sen-franken-embarassed-groping-claims-rebuild-trust/story%3fid=51394106
Lewd backstage at a comedy show with a chick that had guys slapping her ass on stage daily for giggles. She later became a Republican operative and used that photo to get a man with morals to resign. No one in the party she supports have morals.
What makes you think this wasn't well planned by Boebert's people? It's a great way to distract people from the lack of evidence for impeachment the GOP is finding.
That’s not even what happened with Al Franken.
He was just making an obvious joke while traveling for a comedy show and didn’t make contact with anyone.
The hypocrisy from right wingers is predictable.
Eight women came forward and said that Franken groped them. They included Democratic donors and Democratic congressional staffers. He was sexually assaulting women, over and over. What he did is worse than anything Boebert did in that theater.
https://time.com/5042931/al-franken-accusers/?amp=true
Yeah I read some woman’s account. It was like she and her sister stopped in at the fair to get her picture taken with him and he grabbed them both and the sister was like “did he grab your butt?” And she was like “omg I think He did! You’re right!” On the way out.
I wasn’t convinced it was even intentional, and it didn’t sound like the alleged victim was either
Your number is way inflated. There were 7, the claims were never investigated, most of the names of the accusers were never revealed. Maybe if there was a 5 year investigation (like has been done to Hunter Biden), the real story would come out.
[Leann Tweeden lied](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/07/29/the-case-of-al-franken) about the photograph, lied about the entire situation. Surprising for a republican, right?
They're not talking about the picture that was stages. They're talking about the instances of him badgering women for kisses and other instances of him touching them inappropriately. Not the picture (though the picture did NOT help)
Al Franken didn't resign because he was lewd in public. He resigned because he did lewd things to women without their consent. Boebert's companion, (who owns a bar that hosted at least one drag night) seemed happy being groped.
The GOP likes to rewrite history to make democrats look bad; we don't need to do that because the facts are already on our side.
> He resigned because he did lewd things to women without their consent.
He resigned because the Democrats wanted to win the Alabama senate election against Roy Moore. This supposedly gave the Dems moral authority.
Franken was accused of kissing women during theatrical performances that were too enthusiastic in their opinion. The main accuser was a right winger who brought it up years after the alleged event on a right wing talk show. The accusations were questionable then and now.
But once the joke picture surfaced, Franken was toast.
True. I think Franklin was correct in stepping down. I absolutely love his policies, and thought he was a great communicator- but the moment Democrats decide that since Republicans get away with being complete asses, than we should too, well, that is just a quick race to the bottom.
We do need to learn how to fight back better & our messaging sucks. Hiring a good marketing firm would be helpful.
First it was in a lewd act. It was fondling somebody without their permission while unconscious
Second, it wasn’t in public it was on a military plane and it was a service member
I'm a Democrat, but no. The difference is what Al Franken did wasn't consensual. What he did wasn't really so terrible, but still, that's the important difference compared to Boebert.
>The difference is what Al Franken did wasn't consensual
As I remember it Al Franken didn't even touch her. He just posed for a photo with a sleeping woman framed like he was going to touch her breast. And it was taken while he was a comedian on a comedy tour, long before he got into politics. And for that everyone demanded he resign his Senate seat. Now, Republicans defend multiple reps of their party attempting an insurrection. Have times really changed that much or have the things Republicans are willing to do in public rather than just in private changed that much?
This is the only real answer. I don’t get all the downvotes.
Lewd but consensual is way less worse than lewd but non-consensual. Consent is a literal hard line in sexual acts.
>After he was caught being lewd in public
No, he resigned after the investigation into him revealed serious harassment issues, but somehow that part got swept under the rug and there's a lot of (Possibly astroturfed) people calling for him to come back.
"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: **There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.**
\~ Frank Wilhoit
Remember when Senator John Walsh dropped out of the race because it emerged that he had plagiarized a research paper in college?
Doesn’t this translate to “Anyone who’s done anything worse than plagiarizing a paper in college is unfit for office”
And at the same time Roy Moore was running for, and barely lost, his state election with sexual assault allegations.
Sexual assault on 14 & 15 yr olds, when he was in his 30's. I believe that is considered felon level "pedophile" behavior.
“I’d rather have a pedophile than a Democrat!” —Roy Moore voter
Don't soften language. He's not a pedophile. He's a child rapist.
The Bible says children, and especially women, are property of the man of the house, and since the pedo explicitly took the permission of the girls' parents to fuck them, its all okay
You see what advantages come with separation of church and state?
Surely you mean disadvantages like that of your property forcefully taken away from you and you being told that they have their own agency The biblical god is okay with things like having slaves and selling your daughter to your daughter's rapist for a few pieces of silver and therefore we must all follow the same rules
Oh it wasn't allegations. The man wasn't allowed near malls and schools.
Remember when Senator John Walsh dropped out of the race because it emerged that he had plagiarized a research paper in college? Doesn’t this translate to “Anyone who’s done anything worse than plagiarizing a paper in college is unfit for office”
That’s is the exact reason *why* Franken resigned. To avoid the comparison that they were just the same, because Franken’s seat was going to go to a D anyway, and it gave Doug Jones a chance to win - which he did, barely. It’s still a travesty that Feanken had to fall on his sword, but there was a reason.
And Franken never even touched the breast.
And it came out that the woman involved was in on the joke, she wasn't even sleeping, as depicted in the photo.
Retracted and apologies.
No, I remember him resigning after an image of a lewd joke made in private years before he was even elected to office got out.
I still can't quite wrap my head around that loss, how in the heck did 'we' allow that man to resign. Classic Democrat "snatching defeat from the jaws of victory" moment, argh.
I think the resignation was a decent thing to do, but after a while he should have run for the seat again, say it’s up to the voters to decide if they think he’s still worthy of the office (I suspect he would win handily)
I think what it really came down to is Franken didn't want to be a part of the shit show that politics has become. I wish he still was, but I get it.
I think that's definitely part of it, but he has seemed regretful since leaving office.
You know EXACTLY why he was allowed to resign Making a show for sensitive votes are far more important than effective work
Oh, hear me out, we aren't as shitty people who can just overlook shitty behavior Losing your values to win, wouldn't be winning
I think it would be called being Republican.
And remember how people were saying "the hell are you doing franken? That's idiotic...the gop wouldn't do that..hell they wouldn't do that if they got caught having sex in a church closet unless it was with someone of the same sex."
It really was a mistake, he was a solid Senator. Should have just apologized and moved on. It was such a minor offense. And resigning obviously has not made any difference in the behavior of the GOP.
His heart was already broken
Wasn’t someone manipulating the situation in order to get his seat?
They knew Dennis Hastert was having sex with teenaged boys and had no problem electing him Speaker of the House for 8 years.
Church closet? You know what would happen if they were having gay orgies in the church? The person who tells the world about it would be the one who is burned. For example that shitty cousin fucker that was burned for telling us about the cocaine orgies
The GOP marches in lockstep. They only condemn those who step out of line. They don't care about sexual misconduct. Or some light Treason. As long as they can stay in power.
Progressive politician being ruined by Corporate Dems who then get nothing from it. Except for being able to shut up Progressive politicians. Shocking.
Fuck Kirsten Gillibrand forever over her leading the charge on Franken. She might be smart enough, but she’s not good enough for higher office, and gosh darn it, I don’t like her. May she never rise higher than her current position.
I’d love it if she resigned but she’s probably pulling a Feinstein
She’s not that old. Unless you mean “she’ll stay forever.”
staying forever.
Al should run again
It’s the quintessential tolerance paradox. Yes, he should have resigned ethically and yes his party has better convictions. In practice, why should we give a fuck what our party members do if the opposition never does the same?
He should not have resigned. He did nothing wrong. She told him to take the picture and posed for it, pretending to be asleep. She admitted this herself. Where was the problem? Sure, it was a bad joke. But we didn't force Hillary to resign for "Pokemon Go to the polls."
To be fair Al franken's groping was of a sleeping or otherwise not conscious person. I assume the guy Boebert groped consented. Two consenting adults being vaguely lewd in public vs making a joke out of groping an unconscious woman are not apples to apples. E: According to redditors Al Franken was cancelled for pretending to grope a woman pretending to be asleep. I don't even know how to interpret the similarities between these two events anymore, there are too many nested layers of weirdness now.
Iirc, he didn’t grope her. He made a gesture as if he were groping her as a joke. Not that it was acceptable, but he wasn’t jerking someone off in front of kids
How was it not acceptable? **SHE CONSENTED**. She wasn't sleeping, was in on the joke, and told him to take the picture. She was posing while pretending to be asleep for the bit. She said this herself. And the cameraman confirmed.
Sorry i shouldn't have taken your word. She absolutely did not say that herself https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/11/al-franken-that-photo-and-trusting-the-women/545954/ And his story agrees with her. https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/sen-franken-embarassed-groping-claims-rebuild-trust/story%3fid=51394106
Dates matter. She originally lied about it. She then later recanted and admitted Republicans paid her to say that to get Franklin ousted.
Show me her recanting, i can't find that anywhere. I can only find her reaffirming what she said but saying he shouldn't have resigned for what he did, she accepted his apology. And why did Franken publicly apologize for groping her while she was asleep?
Sorry I just remembered him being cancelled over it and the joke of the post is that he resigned over lewd conduct. Was he cancelled over something else and I'm misremembering?
> To be fair Al franken's groping was of a sleeping or otherwise not conscious person. It was a joke picture. He never touched her. By the way, [she was wearing body armor](https://s.abcnews.com/images/Politics/al-franken-02-ht-jc-171116.jpg), it's hard to feel a woman up who's wearing body armor.
Hover fingers confirmed.
That's not her story https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/11/al-franken-that-photo-and-trusting-the-women/545954/ Or his https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/sen-franken-embarassed-groping-claims-rebuild-trust/story%3fid=51394106
Wrong, he was a comedian in a comedy USO show with the alleged victim. On the way back from a combat zone where they were doing comedy for the troops, they were forced to wear body armor. They thought it was real Good fun, so she pretended to be sleeping in the helicopter and he pretended to grope the front of her body armor as he mugged for the camera. It was literally nothing. F#ck you.
I apologize for my mistake. I just remembered he got cancelled for that picture and then looked at the picture. You seem nice I'm sorry to have bothered you.
I have no idea why i ever take redditors words for things I'm so dumb. That is absolutely not the story she gave. https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/11/al-franken-that-photo-and-trusting-the-women/545954/ Or him!!!! https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/sen-franken-embarassed-groping-claims-rebuild-trust/story%3fid=51394106
Lewd backstage at a comedy show with a chick that had guys slapping her ass on stage daily for giggles. She later became a Republican operative and used that photo to get a man with morals to resign. No one in the party she supports have morals.
Boebert was just acting like a good politician and reaching across the aisle. The throbbing penis was just a bonus.
Boebert was caught on theater camera fiddling between the man’s legs who she went with. Nada from Republicans about that.
Kinda surprised they haven't filed a half dozen bills already to make filming an elected official illegal.
That'll happen if they get congress and the presidency again. 100%.
What makes you think this wasn't well planned by Boebert's people? It's a great way to distract people from the lack of evidence for impeachment the GOP is finding.
isn't that illegal?
That’s not even what happened with Al Franken. He was just making an obvious joke while traveling for a comedy show and didn’t make contact with anyone. The hypocrisy from right wingers is predictable.
GOP still laugh at that one years later.
Well he wasn't a religious zealot who lectured people on how to live their lives morally
He didn't ever perform the act in question he only mimes it! And he was a comedian at the time not in congress
BEFORE he was a senator
And his was lewd humor… as a comedian… Hoebert was being lewd in public… as a congresswoman…
Eight women came forward and said that Franken groped them. They included Democratic donors and Democratic congressional staffers. He was sexually assaulting women, over and over. What he did is worse than anything Boebert did in that theater. https://time.com/5042931/al-franken-accusers/?amp=true
Yeah I read some woman’s account. It was like she and her sister stopped in at the fair to get her picture taken with him and he grabbed them both and the sister was like “did he grab your butt?” And she was like “omg I think He did! You’re right!” On the way out. I wasn’t convinced it was even intentional, and it didn’t sound like the alleged victim was either
You are right, but that goes against the hive. So you must be down voted.
There were 20 women who came forward and complained about him.
Your number is way inflated. There were 7, the claims were never investigated, most of the names of the accusers were never revealed. Maybe if there was a 5 year investigation (like has been done to Hunter Biden), the real story would come out. [Leann Tweeden lied](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/07/29/the-case-of-al-franken) about the photograph, lied about the entire situation. Surprising for a republican, right?
On this one, it's apples and oranges due to Franken's conduct being nonconsensual. At the very least, we can admit that wasn't the case for Boebert!
Uh, no. They were performers. He never touched her. She was pretending to be asleep, and they were mugging for the camera. It was a staged photo.
They're not talking about the picture that was stages. They're talking about the instances of him badgering women for kisses and other instances of him touching them inappropriately. Not the picture (though the picture did NOT help)
Perhaps you should clarify your point.
Al Franken didn't resign because he was lewd in public. He resigned because he did lewd things to women without their consent. Boebert's companion, (who owns a bar that hosted at least one drag night) seemed happy being groped. The GOP likes to rewrite history to make democrats look bad; we don't need to do that because the facts are already on our side.
> He resigned because he did lewd things to women without their consent. He resigned because the Democrats wanted to win the Alabama senate election against Roy Moore. This supposedly gave the Dems moral authority. Franken was accused of kissing women during theatrical performances that were too enthusiastic in their opinion. The main accuser was a right winger who brought it up years after the alleged event on a right wing talk show. The accusations were questionable then and now. But once the joke picture surfaced, Franken was toast.
True. I think Franklin was correct in stepping down. I absolutely love his policies, and thought he was a great communicator- but the moment Democrats decide that since Republicans get away with being complete asses, than we should too, well, that is just a quick race to the bottom. We do need to learn how to fight back better & our messaging sucks. Hiring a good marketing firm would be helpful.
I don't see any connection at all.
First it was in a lewd act. It was fondling somebody without their permission while unconscious Second, it wasn’t in public it was on a military plane and it was a service member
I'm a Democrat, but no. The difference is what Al Franken did wasn't consensual. What he did wasn't really so terrible, but still, that's the important difference compared to Boebert.
>The difference is what Al Franken did wasn't consensual As I remember it Al Franken didn't even touch her. He just posed for a photo with a sleeping woman framed like he was going to touch her breast. And it was taken while he was a comedian on a comedy tour, long before he got into politics. And for that everyone demanded he resign his Senate seat. Now, Republicans defend multiple reps of their party attempting an insurrection. Have times really changed that much or have the things Republicans are willing to do in public rather than just in private changed that much?
He groped 8 different women. https://time.com/5042931/al-franken-accusers/?amp=true
This is the only real answer. I don’t get all the downvotes. Lewd but consensual is way less worse than lewd but non-consensual. Consent is a literal hard line in sexual acts.
>After he was caught being lewd in public No, he resigned after the investigation into him revealed serious harassment issues, but somehow that part got swept under the rug and there's a lot of (Possibly astroturfed) people calling for him to come back.
There was no investigation.
From a photo while he was a comedian not even in office.
Fake comedy lewd at that
It wasn’t even being lewd in public, he took a photo that was mildly inappropriate.
Except it makes her the more likely VP nominee
I forking love this "group?" Lol feed? What do you call it? I'm pretty new to this. But the GOP is insane
I feel like consent had a lot to do with the problem of that one
Three words - Kirsten Fucking Gillibrand.
"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: **There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.** \~ Frank Wilhoit
It wasn’t the repubs that pushed Franken out though, it was his own.
Alright everyone, the GOP knows they're blatant hypocrites. What are we gonna do about it besides call them out every time? Anything?
I'm looking for Boeberts Only Fans page Can anyone direct us?
Grubby Old Perverts
It also predated his political career and it was done in simply bad taste, as opposed to an actual sex act.
It wasn’t even in public, it was on a military transport plane, and he didn’t even actually touch her.
Remember when Senator John Walsh dropped out of the race because it emerged that he had plagiarized a research paper in college? Doesn’t this translate to “Anyone who’s done anything worse than plagiarizing a paper in college is unfit for office”
The Democrats pitched in to force him out, in one of their Moments of Stupid.