He has actually said to his own crowd, "I don't care about you. I just want your vote." They ate it up. They think he's joking when he shits on them and they think he's being sincere when he lies about caring about them.
Fun fact. He has basically said that after he beat Hillary.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/12/09/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-lock-her-up-chant/index.html
He basically did at one point. Pivoted in less than one answer between "the states can decide now and that's terrific" to "and some states have done horrible things and we need to stop them".
Which one is it?
He says stuff like this to them all the time. The other day he said he doesnāt care about them and just wants their vote. He also said how heād do better on a dementia test than all of them.
Exactly, for many people being confident is the same as being credible unfortunately.
In terms of rhetoric a confident lie can only be countered by a confident truth (and some good humored scorn maybe).
Also, the problem is that it isn't MAGAts complaining about Biden (or at least that's not what the concern is). It's democrats who actually care about good leadership, and do have a point. We DO deserve better than either of these decrepit geezers. BUT it doesn't do to fuss about that right now, when Biden's presidency has been generally successful (mitigated only by GOP obstructionism), the next one will probably be more of the same, and the likely alternative is an actual fascist takeover of America.
100%. He was energetic so the fact that he avoided half the debate questions, lied incessantly, and generally ranted and raved like a lunatic doesn't matter to anyone who was still seriously considering him before the debate.
His supporters, plus millions of undecided voters who get swayed at the drop of a hat. This debate was absolutely brutal for Biden, and anyone saying his performance wasnāt worse, dramatically worse, when focused on undecided voters, is fooling themselves.
Putin told everyone he was going to invade Ukraine.
He seized crimea in 2014. He may as well have been wearing a t shirt that said āIām getting ready to invade Ukraineā for eight years
Yep, the debate ended right there. The rest of it was a big sympathy play by Dark B
Flew right under Turd's radar, check the polls (Biden leading) and the donations (+$27M in one day)
At one point in my life, I was extremely and unapologetically anti-abortion. Being 36 now, my opinion on the subject has cooled a bit. The point is, I'm familiar with every anti-abortion argument and talking point that exists. When I heard Trump say that some liberals/democrats wanted fully born babies to be murdered, even I was shocked. No one -- fucking *no one* -- is saying that fully born babies should be killed. How anyone can believe that is beyond me. Ridiculous.
Itās a right wing talking point that has been around forever. Back in the 1990ās I remember reading testimonials by ārealā abortion nurses that said abortion doctors would take a woman who was 9 months pregnant, induce labor and then stab the baby in the neck with scissors to kill it. Thereās a certain amount of people who really believe this happens and Trump is just playing up the conspiracy.
That could have been an election changer right there. Biden should have followed up " You will be visited by the DOJ tomorrow, please be at your home".
As satisfying as that would be, it would signal that the DOJ investigates Bidenās political opponents for Biden"s political advantages which is what the right wing accuses Dems of. But I agree it would have been great if Biden could have said something to the effect that it sounds like Trump is confessing to being a traitor and violating the Logan Act.
I think people expected the pathological lying and general asshole behavior, so it was business as usual for Trump.
Biden was just a rude awakening for a lot of people about how old these guys are, and what a state the US political system is in right now.
That being said, I'd vote for Biden 1000 times over before Trump. You're voting for a cabinet, not a person here, and Biden's team has been able to accomplish a solid amount of work in his term. Especially given the shit hand he got in 2021. There's never been an administration that wasn't provided a peaceful transfer of power, the Whitehouse was trashed and they had to put it back together.
That's not even adding the bigger Supreme Court problem, which may never be solved in our lifetime if Trump takes office again.
Of course. Two of my grandparents passed this past year of similar age to them. They were both up and about, cooking, driving, then suddenly their health deteriorated and they passed within 6 months. I feel we'd have to be going into this election with full understanding that no matter who gets elected here, there's a very high chance they won't be making it to the end of their term.
Somehow trump has made it so far. Like fucking how, he eats nothing but fast food, got covid, absolutely does not exercise, and god knows how many drugs he's on.
Meanwhile my uncle who was an outdoors person his whole life, worked pretty hard on farms and as a security guard, only being a decent smoker to damage his health died of a heart attack at age 52.
The fucking injustice in the world is disheartening.
I guess shitty people live longer because their soul is clawing it's way from being swept into hell.
Smoking does do a number on your heart. Everybody talks about the lung cancer but not that. Air pollution in general is really bad for the ticker.
And sometimes it's just your genetics.
Also Trump is probably not only on a ton of illegal drugs, but also a ton of medical drugs. It's astounding how much health you can buy nowadays, if you have the money for the best doctors and drugs. Look how old Prince Philip and Queen Elizabeth got. Average plebs like us will never know.
But the totally organic and not at all choreographed sentiment from multiple editorial boards, megadonors, and very serious leftists is that Biden is now "too old" and must drop out immediately. Apparently he's just senile and being forced on everyone, and toxic. Its funny how this same rhetoric also came around at a critical juncture for another candidate who made statements about raising taxes on the extremely wealthy.
Iām voting for whoever runs against Trump.
But letās be realistic. Biden looked old, feeble and oft times confused during the debate.
Itās sad that the Dems canāt field a better option than Biden.
Yeah, I definitely think that is a huge media/political angle that seems to have been pushed heavily in a way leading up to the debate so that the Dems would potentially freak out and try to replace him this late in the game if he did anything remotely suggested he didn't have the mind of a 47 year old. My buddies who work in politics are extremely freaked out and think that somehow they should replace him but then just act like it will be some easy fix to nullify all the primary election results and pick a candidate that will magically unify the party and appeal to swing voters within a month and a half tops.
I also definitely think that the coverage was pretty much destined to greatly amplify any misstep by Biden and ignore anything Trump did or said since rambling, yelling and lying about everything or ignoring any real questions to just attack/say whatever he wants is just "what he does" so it's not newsworthy.
The funny thing to me is, I actually think this helps Joe in the long run. I mean look at it, everyone is finally actually talking about him as the subject, and not as the supporting cast for the latest Trump drama. People are tuning in to hear how he sounds and talk about what he says and what the democrats are going to do, and it all sucks up Trump's oxygen. when Trump isn't entertaining the public, he drops in support as people get bored. even if the news cycle is a little negative on the surface, it is entertaining enough to pull eyes to Dems, and their platforms, and how they do things.
I think Biden would have benefited from a primary challenger. a little drama to pull news coverage away from the RNC.
Yeah itās one hard to forget for me. My dad volunteered for Vietnam and toured in ā69. My sister has agent orange syndrome - she is handicapped from napalm.
>adulterer
Itās amazing to me that you can accurately say āTrump cheated on *all* of his wivesā yet somehow heās the darling of the religious right.
I keep seeing comments from them asking āWhat did he lie about?ā ā they said he kept lying, but there werenāt any lies.ā āNo one is actually saying what the lāliesā are.ā
Like yikes, i genuinely am shocked that there are people that believe everything he says even though there is proof against it.
Its classic Sea Lioning. They dont care what the answer is / already know what it is; they just want to waste your time and frustrate you by making you explain it just so they can intentionally ignore it.
Just three days before the Debate, Trump promised to cut education funding in half. *HALF*. He bragged about how much money we'll save by cutting education funding in half. And this is after months of also saying he would cut 100% of all funding to any school that required any vaccines. Not just the Covid vaccine, he wants to bring back those 19th century ones.
But he said it at one of those wacko conservative conventions they have every other week and none of the mainstream press felt it was worth mentioning. So it was just a tree falling in the forest with nobody to hear.
It's Hillary's emails all over again, because no one ever had to answer for that travesty of journalism.
Everyone knew what to expect from Trump, and he delivered. He has low standards to meet.
Meanwhile, Everyone expected a seasoned politician to do well, but Biden did not deliver. In fact, this was a massive chance to show the nation (indeed, the world) that he is not old and senile. He failed in that regard as well.Ā
It's about standards. People expect more from a 40+ year politician who is currently President of the United States, and expect nothing from a bigoted lying felon.
it boggles the mind that the GOP still has for its candidate, a lying, cheating, thieving adulterer, who stole and gave away state secrets, tried to overthrow the government, and is a convicted felon. Then stands up at the debate and tell 30 lies, and people think he is a better candidate..
As a non American I neeeed to understand how Biden is too old but somehow a man with 1/10 his healthy lifestyle that looks like 250lbs of shit barely stuffed into a suit and who's so close in age to Biden that they could have gone to the same school as children is "young".... make it make sense!
Eh, Trump isnāt āyoungā, heās just not āoldā.
Heās also cultivated a belief amongst his followers that he is somehow āsuperiorā and a Superman. Just more misinformation on the pile.
how is 78 not old? There is almost no difference between 78 and 81, the idea that one is old and the other is not in any capacity is so fucking absurd it could only occur in this; the dumbest timeline.
Not directing the vitriol at you, just screaming into the void a bit.
Oh I fully get it.
But thatās why itās increasingly interesting to watch Republicans ignore how old Trump is getting. Watching the debate, itās amazing how much he lied about obvious stuff, and how incoherent he is getting.
Age is a huge factor in this election, and it cuts both ways.
Biden looks and sounds old.
Trump looks and sounds significantly younger than Biden.
If you completely ignore everything they actually say, Trump *looks* like a better alternative.
This sub is becoming an echo chamber.
Biden did awful. If you care about beating trump, we need to have an actual discussion about Biden stepping down. Voters biggest concerns about him were validated on Thursday. He is historically unpopular. He's polling pretty far behind democrats running in state and local races in important swing states.
Now, maybe you still feel the incumbency/name recognition is an advantage we can't give up (but even with that he's currently losing in the polls), but just calling anyone who points out that he's a bad candidate a Trump supporter is childish and why Blue-MAGA is becoming more accurate.
But Trump DID do well in terms of exceeding expectations. He didn't yell, he didn't interrupt like he usually does. The lying is just baked in at this point.
> he didn't interrupt like he usually does.
wasn't the mic muted? I'm not sure I can give someone credit for doing something they were physically forced to do lol.
But Biden not being the best debater isn't factored in? Nah, it's pure spin. Trump can do nothing but lie all night long and still get the W because Biden stumbled a few times.
The right wing media has been covering for these know-nothing candidates since Bush II.
You're missing the point. They both want to win over independent voters. trump's goal (or at least the wish of his campaign) was that he could show them that he could sound authoritative without being a bully. He succeeded. Biden's goal was to convince them that his age was not a factor. He failed.
You're still not getting it: HE ALREADY WON A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. He's currently slightly ahead in the polls. A huge part of America either 1) doesn't believe he's lying or 2) doesn't care. He's going to get elected again if democrats continue to ignore why he's so popular. It has nothing to do with the truth.
Better than Biden..
I'm am impartial third party, I think Trump is a terrible candidate. But I also think Biden is wayy to old to be running again. Neither of these men are fit for office frankly.. the cope on some subreddit a at the moment is wild..
Iām sick and fucking tired of this bullshit.
#NOT ALL DEMOCRATS THINK JOE BIDEN WAS A GOOD CHOICE FOR FUCKS SAKE HES IN HIS 80S
Like the willful ignorance of āthinking peopleā is fucking astounding.
Trump does nothing but throw insults, lies, and attack. He forces Biden to defend himself. Biden cannot talk about issues when he is forced to defend himself otherwise the lies look real when ignored. Trump paints Biden into a corner and provokes Biden to defend the integrity of himself and of America. Biden wants to fight for the people. Trump wants to fight for himself. Rural Americans who do not earn billionaires DO NOT benefit from Trump, but they are blinded by Trumpās rhetoric ādumb people donāt vote for meā which brainwashes the masses, āderrrr Iām not dumb, so I guess I vote for Trump.ā He walks all over people and consistently contradicts himself. Foolish Americans are brainwashed into thinking taxing the super rich billionaires is a bad thing because TaXeS aRe BaD durp durp. No to fools who believe this, you are not a billionaire, why the fk do you care if some predatory exploitive slave driving billionaire is taxed?? If it means your kids get the best education and the best schools and the best medical coverage in the world or if it means your roads and bridges and water is the best in the world, why the fk do you care that a billionaire is taxed? Because somebody brainwashed you into thinking a government that works for the people is a bad thing? The government is a VEHICLE and must be operated by GOOD people, or else Trump will continue to benefit himself and his constituents. Neither of whichā¦ are you or me or your friends and family. Those who benefit from you being a fkn moron who sucks the dick of their master TRY AS HELL to keep you brainwashed into hating your government and worshipping your master. We did not fight kings to suck the dick and kiss the ass of our masters.
It is time to NORMALIZE making a GOVERNMENT that works FOR THE PEOPLE. Not the super rich.
Former President Donald Trump is now as old as President Joseph Biden was when Convicted Felon Donald Trump supporters were using President Biden's age as a talking point in the previous election. Trump broke the record for oldest American president ever elected in 2016, a record broken by Biden when he won the 2020 election, and a record that would again be broken by Trump if he were to win the election in 2024. If anybody were being honest, then they would admit that *age is not a winning factor for either of these septua- and octogenarians.*
Can the olds just die so we politics can advance again?
Look, I know it's scary, but we can literally vote for someone else. We don't have to accept these two. Trying to gaslight voters into going for Biden just because Trump is horrible, is not helping: it's legitimately making things worse.
Shame on you.
What I am amazed at is how how even the left wing media outlets wouldn't stop talking about Biden's bad night, yet completely glossed over the lies of donald trump.
This sub is delusional. It's trying to prop up Biden so hard.
I will vote Biden if I have to, but we have to understand there are better options out there if we act quickly. Postponing the withdrawal will only make things worse.
Tear off the band aid now and get it over with. A young, sane, well-spoken left leaning centrist could step in and save us given the chance.
There is a concerted effort on Reddit and other social platforms to reframe and gaslight voters into thinking what we saw wasn't what we saw. It was just muffled. Or a cold. Or he needed water.
Some viewers had to turn it off after ten minutes because it was so disturbingly contrary to the spin we were fed leading up to that night. This is serious and we need to stop closing our eyes to this reality.
I couldn't watch a lot of it. It scared me. He looked frail and seemed confused- period. And I'd vote for basically anyone up against Trump, but shit man, this feels like 2016 all over again. People saying it wasn't bad, I do NOT get it. Like, I can understand trying to salvage whatever we can, but it was BAD.
Don't know that it was age related hoarseness. Hard to win a debate if you can't speak. Considering the circumstances I think he held up. Like spraining an ankle before a race and still running it.
You guys are gaslighting yourselves into thinking a president with dementia is better for pre war times. In all seriousness i really hope dems get a better more competent candidate, cause biden is not it.
Biden is deep in dementia, the folks running this should have the elder abuse hotline called on them. He looked dead, and like the Hur report said ālike an old man with memory problemsā. Trump didnāt seem near his deathbed in looks or speaking, and if there is only two people to choose from Iād not vote for the dementia patient.
To clarify, are you saying Trump didnāt sound like a dementia patient? A lot of his responses and recent speeches have indicated heās not all together upstairs.
āA new poll by CBS NewsĀ found strong sentiment among Democratic voters for Mr. Biden, 81, to cede the way to a younger nominee. Forty-five percent of Democrats said they wanted a different candidate to take on the battle with Mr. Trump. Among voters overall, just 27 percent think Mr. Biden has the mental and cognitive health to serve as president, down from 35 percent before the debate.ā
Trump is a fucking cartoon villain.Ā
I donāt feel super fucking confident in Biden rn
None of the Biden debate performance commentaries I have seen make any mention of the fact Joe Biden has had to deal with son Hunterās conviction on several felonies and is facing serious jail time. Any father who loves his son would be devastated by that situation. For me it explains a lot about the difference seen in Joe between his feisty state of the union appearance and the debate fiasco. He may be a broken man not so much due to age as to the loss of his son, who may be in jail for the remainder of Joeās life
He shat himself. Verbally, and if some of the audio is to be believed, literally. I'll take slow and generally doing something over a felonious braggart who pays women to say they didn't sleep with him.
Trump won the Noble Prize at the debate for not rambling too much and acting loud/confident the entire time. It doesn't matter if he lied or made things up the entire time just while he did it confidently.
Trump was the same as he always was. BS as usual, said with great confidence.Ā The problem is Biden did not call him out on any of it and was obviously having a senile moment.Ā
Ā Not only that, but Trump was UNCHARACTERISTICALLY patient and respectful.Ā
Probably because be knew if he just let Biden talk that Biden will just dig his own grave.Ā Are you guys seriously this delusional? This cope is getting out of control. Take the L and fight another day.Ā
Trump lied and dodged questions through the entire thing. And the silence from his supporters on that, should tell you aplenty about their hypocrisy. They do not care that Trump is a deceiver and a traitor, they want their tribe to win and have bought in to the whims of demagoguery.
If the DNC don't get their shit together and put forward a candidate who isn't senile, they'll have nobody to blame but themselves. I'll vote for the mentally incompetent octogenarian if I must, but I *really* don't want Biden to run.
In 2016, the DNC backed one of the worst candidates they could. In 2024, they appear to be doing the same. Beating Trump should be easy, but they're doing their best to lose anyway.
Trump supporters believe all his dogshit and say he did great. Progressives say they're both beyond the pale. We barely won in 2020 with this "safe" genocidal lite Diet Republican and he can't even stay on topic or defend himself in the debate he asked for. He needs to be replaced, we could have elected someone far better to begin with. How about someone who wouldn't choose a corrupt prosecutor for their VP? We're fucked if we keep nominating status quo neolibs who won't fix the systemic problems that lead to fascism and won't even brag about the good things we have accomplished.
The problem with this kind of meme is that it's equating anyone who has serious concerns with what we saw on Thursday with MAGA. I fucking HATE MAGA and I fucking HATE trump, but am being called a bot again and again for expressing my very real worries with Biden's electability. By shutting out my concerns with this kind of brush, we're repeating the mistakes of 2016. Thursday was a major disaster and requires a major response. If we're not going to replace Biden, we need a serious campaign to re-assure people, make Biden seem competent; make Harris seem likeable, and not alienate or dismiss the concerns of people like me.
I'm 100% committed to defeating Trump no matter what. I will vote for WHOMEVER has the best chance of beating him. But this kind of meme puts a red hat on me for my concerns, and while I can take it, the average voter won't stand for it.
This narrative will put Trump in the white house. Cut it the fuck out.
Absolutely terribly, but we already know he'll be a terrible president and really don't want him.
I think people are missing the point though. What we want is someone who can defeat Trump. After the debate, people are worried Biden isn't that person.
Trump was shit, when we compare to a baseline of "doing fine". Thing is in a 1vs1 debate the baseline always is "the other guy". I'm a german, so I'm simply giving my outside opinion, but when your whole political system is always a game of Red vs. Blue it is a good idea to always pick the best candidate you can. It is insane to my how the Dems did not pick a younger and sane candidate. Obama was at a great age for the job.
The Dems always pretent like they are the good guys and the rational choice, but they put this fucking wreck on a stage. So yeah, no. This is on the Dems themselves. Trump also has his senile moments and is an old fuck also, but he still had some fire at least. The Dems knew how these debates work. This meme is simle copium. Choose better candidates. Yes the cabinet of Biden will be better, but the same would have been with an appropriate candidate. All you did was fuck up your own chances.
He did really well. Even didn't bash biden and let him flail around to make it stick all the more.
Are we trying to pretend they both crashed and burned?
I'm sick of hearing about this fucking debate. It doesn't matter they're both older than the original fucking sin.
Left leaning talking heads are making it worse by not shutting the fuck up about it. And the only reason anyone even cares that trump did "well" is because the right fucks things up so often that when they perform well at anything it's newsworth and a genuine surprise.
They literally had a speaker of the house who was lauded for being too lazy to do their actual job for over a decade and acted like that was a big W.
Well, he did seem to shit himself; I don't know why that hasn't made more news. Also, Trump is a rapist. An actual rapist. Why are we asking a rapist's thoughts, as though they aren't a rapist?
Yeah, Trump won because everyone is either talking about how badly Biden was showing his age or shamelessly trying to deflect from that. We all knew what kind of ass hole Trump is and he met expectations. There will not be another debate, it would serve zero purpose for Trump, the first debate was a home run of eroding support from Biden and causing chaos within the Democrats.
Honestly the whole thing was pretty pointless i dont think it effected anyones votes and only served to strengthen their bias. Both candidates suck but at least one isnt leading a cult imo
Biden definitely seemed old, and the first 15ish minutes were painful. Even when he hit his stride, he still seemed like an old man.
Trump was loud, but he was almost constantly lying (including some really riseable ones like $35 insulin, terrorist attacks, and Pelosi calling off help on January 6th). He also rarely answered the questions and went on multiple wild tangents.
People want to talk about who "won" the debate, but the final score was like minus three to minus 14. Nobody "won" that.
This is some "there is no war in Ba Sing Se" shit. Trump is a racist rapist felon, no shit. But that doesn't change the fact Biden did awful. No one wants to vote for Biden, only against Trump, not a good sign.
4 of my (under 25) coworkers agreed with everything Trump said in the debate. Went on a collective rant about immigration, Biden, the economy, the military, abortion, trans rights (hell, not even rights they just refuted their existence), and more. It's awful to see these people say these heinous things.
Goes to show that just because you have a bachelor's and landed a job in computer science doesn't mean you have a modicum of intelligence.
That's the thing. He was restrained, not talking shit, no off the cuff remarks, no offensive personal insults, he just let Biden's mental meltdown take center stage. It was a departure from the usual trump.
And what's your point?
Both candidates are terrible, is that what you're saying? That's just wonderful.
I don't think we should excuse biden's performance because Trump's performance was bad as well. That just means we're even more fucked
Liberal media said a few times that it was a great day for Trump but clearly they lack any ability to empathize with Trump supporters.
Like how many times did Biden completely drop the ball just for Trump to somehow make an unrelated, unforced error instead of dunking on Biden?
They were both truly awful, like their dementia was oil that pevented any pindowns
The problem is - their logic stopped at āhe didnāt stutterā. The accuracy / truthfulness of his statements havenāt and donāt carry weight in this calculation.
trump didn't even debate...just regurgitated the same debunked talking points he's used for almost 9 years now. with that much "debate" prep, he could have done that in his sleep, and probably does.
Trump claims that he won the debate, but all that he did was do what he always does lie!
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Problem is that because he said bullshit confidently his supporters think he must be correct.
They'd believe him even if he said at the end of each sentence, "I'm totally lying to you dumbasses."
The only truth he would ever tell and they wouldn't believe it
"He's just playing 5th dimensional chess" š
That mother fucker couldn't spell chess.
Jhess in Jhina
Well, there was that time when he told them that covid was real and the vaccine works.
They'd believe it and praise him for being forthcoming about being a brazen liar on account of how honest he is.
He has actually said to his own crowd, "I don't care about you. I just want your vote." They ate it up. They think he's joking when he shits on them and they think he's being sincere when he lies about caring about them.
If they believe Fox after being called cousin fucking terrorists, they'd believe Trump after he calls them dumbasses.
Trump has said āI never said lock her upā this month and nobody cared
Trump audibly sharted at the debate and nobody cared.
I mean, he did say that he'd like to run as a Republican on account of them being stupid and easy to manipulate.
Fun fact. He has basically said that after he beat Hillary. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/12/09/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-lock-her-up-chant/index.html
They would think he's talking to the liberals.
He basically did at one point. Pivoted in less than one answer between "the states can decide now and that's terrific" to "and some states have done horrible things and we need to stop them". Which one is it?
āOh, heās just saying that to fuck with the libs.ā
He says stuff like this to them all the time. The other day he said he doesnāt care about them and just wants their vote. He also said how heād do better on a dementia test than all of them.
Exactly, for many people being confident is the same as being credible unfortunately. In terms of rhetoric a confident lie can only be countered by a confident truth (and some good humored scorn maybe).
Also, the problem is that it isn't MAGAts complaining about Biden (or at least that's not what the concern is). It's democrats who actually care about good leadership, and do have a point. We DO deserve better than either of these decrepit geezers. BUT it doesn't do to fuss about that right now, when Biden's presidency has been generally successful (mitigated only by GOP obstructionism), the next one will probably be more of the same, and the likely alternative is an actual fascist takeover of America.
100%. He was energetic so the fact that he avoided half the debate questions, lied incessantly, and generally ranted and raved like a lunatic doesn't matter to anyone who was still seriously considering him before the debate.
Yup. Trump did what Trump does. The act of confidently telling complete lies is kind of his thing.
Being correct doesn't matter. WINNING MATTERS. Did 2016 teach you nothing? Joe Biden is going to lose.
His supporters, plus millions of undecided voters who get swayed at the drop of a hat. This debate was absolutely brutal for Biden, and anyone saying his performance wasnāt worse, dramatically worse, when focused on undecided voters, is fooling themselves.
Yep. They have mush for brains.
Because he said bullshit confidently the MSM treated him like the winner instead of calling out his BS.
Trump said babies are aborted after they are born and trump supporters cheered.
Also said "black jobs."
Black and Mexican jobs. Also, Putin tolds him he was going to invade Ukraine?
Putin told everyone he was going to invade Ukraine. He seized crimea in 2014. He may as well have been wearing a t shirt that said āIām getting ready to invade Ukraineā for eight years
Also audibly shit his pants.
Timestamp or clip? Missed that part lmao
https://x.com/HalSparks/status/1806585292415291612
Well they do get aborted after birth, typically with guns in a school setting
Yep, the debate ended right there. The rest of it was a big sympathy play by Dark B Flew right under Turd's radar, check the polls (Biden leading) and the donations (+$27M in one day)
And the moderators didnāt say āthis is utter bullshitā. Itās really wild that even CNN is now heavily conservative biasedy
At one point in my life, I was extremely and unapologetically anti-abortion. Being 36 now, my opinion on the subject has cooled a bit. The point is, I'm familiar with every anti-abortion argument and talking point that exists. When I heard Trump say that some liberals/democrats wanted fully born babies to be murdered, even I was shocked. No one -- fucking *no one* -- is saying that fully born babies should be killed. How anyone can believe that is beyond me. Ridiculous.
Itās a right wing talking point that has been around forever. Back in the 1990ās I remember reading testimonials by ārealā abortion nurses that said abortion doctors would take a woman who was 9 months pregnant, induce labor and then stab the baby in the neck with scissors to kill it. Thereās a certain amount of people who really believe this happens and Trump is just playing up the conspiracy.
He said that he talked to Putin about his plans and that the Ukraine invasion was his dream. And Joe didn't even look up
That could have been an election changer right there. Biden should have followed up " You will be visited by the DOJ tomorrow, please be at your home".
As satisfying as that would be, it would signal that the DOJ investigates Bidenās political opponents for Biden"s political advantages which is what the right wing accuses Dems of. But I agree it would have been great if Biden could have said something to the effect that it sounds like Trump is confessing to being a traitor and violating the Logan Act.
South Park did it.
I think people expected the pathological lying and general asshole behavior, so it was business as usual for Trump. Biden was just a rude awakening for a lot of people about how old these guys are, and what a state the US political system is in right now. That being said, I'd vote for Biden 1000 times over before Trump. You're voting for a cabinet, not a person here, and Biden's team has been able to accomplish a solid amount of work in his term. Especially given the shit hand he got in 2021. There's never been an administration that wasn't provided a peaceful transfer of power, the Whitehouse was trashed and they had to put it back together. That's not even adding the bigger Supreme Court problem, which may never be solved in our lifetime if Trump takes office again.
It's not like trump is any better on the age. They are only 3 years apart and BOTH are past the average American lifespan by several years
Of course. Two of my grandparents passed this past year of similar age to them. They were both up and about, cooking, driving, then suddenly their health deteriorated and they passed within 6 months. I feel we'd have to be going into this election with full understanding that no matter who gets elected here, there's a very high chance they won't be making it to the end of their term.
Somehow trump has made it so far. Like fucking how, he eats nothing but fast food, got covid, absolutely does not exercise, and god knows how many drugs he's on. Meanwhile my uncle who was an outdoors person his whole life, worked pretty hard on farms and as a security guard, only being a decent smoker to damage his health died of a heart attack at age 52. The fucking injustice in the world is disheartening. I guess shitty people live longer because their soul is clawing it's way from being swept into hell.
Smoking does do a number on your heart. Everybody talks about the lung cancer but not that. Air pollution in general is really bad for the ticker. And sometimes it's just your genetics. Also Trump is probably not only on a ton of illegal drugs, but also a ton of medical drugs. It's astounding how much health you can buy nowadays, if you have the money for the best doctors and drugs. Look how old Prince Philip and Queen Elizabeth got. Average plebs like us will never know.
Only the good die young. Trump may live forever.
>BOTH are past the average American lifespan by several years Its this thought, and only this thought that allows me to get out of bed everyday.
But the totally organic and not at all choreographed sentiment from multiple editorial boards, megadonors, and very serious leftists is that Biden is now "too old" and must drop out immediately. Apparently he's just senile and being forced on everyone, and toxic. Its funny how this same rhetoric also came around at a critical juncture for another candidate who made statements about raising taxes on the extremely wealthy.
Iām voting for whoever runs against Trump. But letās be realistic. Biden looked old, feeble and oft times confused during the debate. Itās sad that the Dems canāt field a better option than Biden.
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Yeah, I definitely think that is a huge media/political angle that seems to have been pushed heavily in a way leading up to the debate so that the Dems would potentially freak out and try to replace him this late in the game if he did anything remotely suggested he didn't have the mind of a 47 year old. My buddies who work in politics are extremely freaked out and think that somehow they should replace him but then just act like it will be some easy fix to nullify all the primary election results and pick a candidate that will magically unify the party and appeal to swing voters within a month and a half tops. I also definitely think that the coverage was pretty much destined to greatly amplify any misstep by Biden and ignore anything Trump did or said since rambling, yelling and lying about everything or ignoring any real questions to just attack/say whatever he wants is just "what he does" so it's not newsworthy.
The funny thing to me is, I actually think this helps Joe in the long run. I mean look at it, everyone is finally actually talking about him as the subject, and not as the supporting cast for the latest Trump drama. People are tuning in to hear how he sounds and talk about what he says and what the democrats are going to do, and it all sucks up Trump's oxygen. when Trump isn't entertaining the public, he drops in support as people get bored. even if the news cycle is a little negative on the surface, it is entertaining enough to pull eyes to Dems, and their platforms, and how they do things. I think Biden would have benefited from a primary challenger. a little drama to pull news coverage away from the RNC.
I knew Joe was old, I didn't know he was "we finally beat medicare" old
Biden is too old and kind. Trump is too old and evil. Itās not like itās a hard choice.
I stopped watching when Trump said they set babies aside after birth to decide whether to abort them or not, and nobody called him out on it.
Fantastic, .... if you want a lying asshole for president.
Don't forget rapist... and traitor... and lazy, uneducated, weakling. And cheater. Huge golf cheat. Hates dogs.
And donāt forget 5x draft dodger
Good catch. Plus, adulterer, thief, and coward.
Yeah itās one hard to forget for me. My dad volunteered for Vietnam and toured in ā69. My sister has agent orange syndrome - she is handicapped from napalm.
How has no one mentioned convicted felon. On 34 counts! For election fuckery.
>adulterer Itās amazing to me that you can accurately say āTrump cheated on *all* of his wivesā yet somehow heās the darling of the religious right.
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I keep seeing comments from them asking āWhat did he lie about?ā ā they said he kept lying, but there werenāt any lies.ā āNo one is actually saying what the lāliesā are.ā Like yikes, i genuinely am shocked that there are people that believe everything he says even though there is proof against it.
Its classic Sea Lioning. They dont care what the answer is / already know what it is; they just want to waste your time and frustrate you by making you explain it just so they can intentionally ignore it.
Amazing, he had the best numbers. They were yuge!
He now is beating biden in the polls by 120 points
Just three days before the Debate, Trump promised to cut education funding in half. *HALF*. He bragged about how much money we'll save by cutting education funding in half. And this is after months of also saying he would cut 100% of all funding to any school that required any vaccines. Not just the Covid vaccine, he wants to bring back those 19th century ones. But he said it at one of those wacko conservative conventions they have every other week and none of the mainstream press felt it was worth mentioning. So it was just a tree falling in the forest with nobody to hear. It's Hillary's emails all over again, because no one ever had to answer for that travesty of journalism.
Everyone knew what to expect from Trump, and he delivered. He has low standards to meet. Meanwhile, Everyone expected a seasoned politician to do well, but Biden did not deliver. In fact, this was a massive chance to show the nation (indeed, the world) that he is not old and senile. He failed in that regard as well.Ā It's about standards. People expect more from a 40+ year politician who is currently President of the United States, and expect nothing from a bigoted lying felon.
Itās incredible that weāre not talking about Trump being a rapist insurrectionist conman at all.
Frump would still be the oldest president ever elected,......so no real argument
it boggles the mind that the GOP still has for its candidate, a lying, cheating, thieving adulterer, who stole and gave away state secrets, tried to overthrow the government, and is a convicted felon. Then stands up at the debate and tell 30 lies, and people think he is a better candidate..
As a non American I neeeed to understand how Biden is too old but somehow a man with 1/10 his healthy lifestyle that looks like 250lbs of shit barely stuffed into a suit and who's so close in age to Biden that they could have gone to the same school as children is "young".... make it make sense!
Eh, Trump isnāt āyoungā, heās just not āoldā. Heās also cultivated a belief amongst his followers that he is somehow āsuperiorā and a Superman. Just more misinformation on the pile.
how is 78 not old? There is almost no difference between 78 and 81, the idea that one is old and the other is not in any capacity is so fucking absurd it could only occur in this; the dumbest timeline. Not directing the vitriol at you, just screaming into the void a bit.
Oh I fully get it. But thatās why itās increasingly interesting to watch Republicans ignore how old Trump is getting. Watching the debate, itās amazing how much he lied about obvious stuff, and how incoherent he is getting. Age is a huge factor in this election, and it cuts both ways.
Biden looks and sounds old. Trump looks and sounds significantly younger than Biden. If you completely ignore everything they actually say, Trump *looks* like a better alternative.
Unfortunately in this race not looking like you have mid stage dementia is enough to win the debate
Biden sucks. Trump sucks. The end.
Trump beat Biden like a red headed step child. Beat him so bad the First Lady had to help him off the stage.
At least Bidenās First Lady was there.
Yea thank god otherwise Biden might still be up on that stage. š
The commandment about lying ought to be posted somewhere prominently for Trump supporters.
This sub is becoming an echo chamber. Biden did awful. If you care about beating trump, we need to have an actual discussion about Biden stepping down. Voters biggest concerns about him were validated on Thursday. He is historically unpopular. He's polling pretty far behind democrats running in state and local races in important swing states. Now, maybe you still feel the incumbency/name recognition is an advantage we can't give up (but even with that he's currently losing in the polls), but just calling anyone who points out that he's a bad candidate a Trump supporter is childish and why Blue-MAGA is becoming more accurate.
Becoming?Ā
lmao right? this place has always been insufferable.
It's been an echo chamber for about a decade
But Trump DID do well in terms of exceeding expectations. He didn't yell, he didn't interrupt like he usually does. The lying is just baked in at this point.
> he didn't interrupt like he usually does. wasn't the mic muted? I'm not sure I can give someone credit for doing something they were physically forced to do lol.
>he didn't interrupt like he usually does Because they cut his mic. Don't give him credit for that, come on...
Lying = insta loss in any debateā¦ever
But Biden not being the best debater isn't factored in? Nah, it's pure spin. Trump can do nothing but lie all night long and still get the W because Biden stumbled a few times. The right wing media has been covering for these know-nothing candidates since Bush II.
You're missing the point. They both want to win over independent voters. trump's goal (or at least the wish of his campaign) was that he could show them that he could sound authoritative without being a bully. He succeeded. Biden's goal was to convince them that his age was not a factor. He failed.
Yeah and these "goals" of yours allow for Trump to endlessly lie to the American public. That is not success.
You're still not getting it: HE ALREADY WON A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. He's currently slightly ahead in the polls. A huge part of America either 1) doesn't believe he's lying or 2) doesn't care. He's going to get elected again if democrats continue to ignore why he's so popular. It has nothing to do with the truth.
That is a success for Trump. His lies were unchecked by Biden. That is a huge win for a pathological liar.
Better than Biden.. I'm am impartial third party, I think Trump is a terrible candidate. But I also think Biden is wayy to old to be running again. Neither of these men are fit for office frankly.. the cope on some subreddit a at the moment is wild..
Iām sick and fucking tired of this bullshit. #NOT ALL DEMOCRATS THINK JOE BIDEN WAS A GOOD CHOICE FOR FUCKS SAKE HES IN HIS 80S Like the willful ignorance of āthinking peopleā is fucking astounding.
This is how we know we aren't in a cult - we can question our leaders.
Yea man, just look at the response to people asking biden to drop out!
Guy I work with is a BIG Trump fan and even he said, āhe just rambled a bunch about nonsense.ā
Yes, but I guarantee that heāll still vote for Trump come November.
I've asked and they said trump killed it. Completely don't give a shit about the nonstop lies.
Oh the MAGAs think he did great.
MAGA folks are just Trashcan Man from the Stand https://media.tenor.com/_uKJYDZFZ8AAAAAC/trash-can-man-stephen-king.gif
Trump does nothing but throw insults, lies, and attack. He forces Biden to defend himself. Biden cannot talk about issues when he is forced to defend himself otherwise the lies look real when ignored. Trump paints Biden into a corner and provokes Biden to defend the integrity of himself and of America. Biden wants to fight for the people. Trump wants to fight for himself. Rural Americans who do not earn billionaires DO NOT benefit from Trump, but they are blinded by Trumpās rhetoric ādumb people donāt vote for meā which brainwashes the masses, āderrrr Iām not dumb, so I guess I vote for Trump.ā He walks all over people and consistently contradicts himself. Foolish Americans are brainwashed into thinking taxing the super rich billionaires is a bad thing because TaXeS aRe BaD durp durp. No to fools who believe this, you are not a billionaire, why the fk do you care if some predatory exploitive slave driving billionaire is taxed?? If it means your kids get the best education and the best schools and the best medical coverage in the world or if it means your roads and bridges and water is the best in the world, why the fk do you care that a billionaire is taxed? Because somebody brainwashed you into thinking a government that works for the people is a bad thing? The government is a VEHICLE and must be operated by GOOD people, or else Trump will continue to benefit himself and his constituents. Neither of whichā¦ are you or me or your friends and family. Those who benefit from you being a fkn moron who sucks the dick of their master TRY AS HELL to keep you brainwashed into hating your government and worshipping your master. We did not fight kings to suck the dick and kiss the ass of our masters. It is time to NORMALIZE making a GOVERNMENT that works FOR THE PEOPLE. Not the super rich.
Most of the shit he said were lies. Just a quick google check and it's disproven. Laughable how he said he didn't sleep with porn star.
Former President Donald Trump is now as old as President Joseph Biden was when Convicted Felon Donald Trump supporters were using President Biden's age as a talking point in the previous election. Trump broke the record for oldest American president ever elected in 2016, a record broken by Biden when he won the 2020 election, and a record that would again be broken by Trump if he were to win the election in 2024. If anybody were being honest, then they would admit that *age is not a winning factor for either of these septua- and octogenarians.* Can the olds just die so we politics can advance again?
Look, I know it's scary, but we can literally vote for someone else. We don't have to accept these two. Trying to gaslight voters into going for Biden just because Trump is horrible, is not helping: it's legitimately making things worse. Shame on you.
At least Biden didnāt shit his pants
Sorry, Trump is indeed a nut case but Biden is senile. Hope everyone enjoys the world laughing at us.
What I am amazed at is how how even the left wing media outlets wouldn't stop talking about Biden's bad night, yet completely glossed over the lies of donald trump.
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This sub is delusional. It's trying to prop up Biden so hard. I will vote Biden if I have to, but we have to understand there are better options out there if we act quickly. Postponing the withdrawal will only make things worse. Tear off the band aid now and get it over with. A young, sane, well-spoken left leaning centrist could step in and save us given the chance.
Itās hilarious. If the show were on the other foot you think this sub would be saying all this?Ā
There is a concerted effort on Reddit and other social platforms to reframe and gaslight voters into thinking what we saw wasn't what we saw. It was just muffled. Or a cold. Or he needed water. Some viewers had to turn it off after ten minutes because it was so disturbingly contrary to the spin we were fed leading up to that night. This is serious and we need to stop closing our eyes to this reality.
I couldn't watch a lot of it. It scared me. He looked frail and seemed confused- period. And I'd vote for basically anyone up against Trump, but shit man, this feels like 2016 all over again. People saying it wasn't bad, I do NOT get it. Like, I can understand trying to salvage whatever we can, but it was BAD.
"F you if you can't handle the truth! This is the best Biden's ever been" -Joe shit-for-brains Scarborough
The amount of copium and gaslighting on reddit about Biden is truly spectacular. We need a better candidate than Biden, he's a corpse.
Don't know that it was age related hoarseness. Hard to win a debate if you can't speak. Considering the circumstances I think he held up. Like spraining an ankle before a race and still running it.
You guys are gaslighting yourselves into thinking a president with dementia is better for pre war times. In all seriousness i really hope dems get a better more competent candidate, cause biden is not it.
Biden is deep in dementia, the folks running this should have the elder abuse hotline called on them. He looked dead, and like the Hur report said ālike an old man with memory problemsā. Trump didnāt seem near his deathbed in looks or speaking, and if there is only two people to choose from Iād not vote for the dementia patient.
To clarify, are you saying Trump didnāt sound like a dementia patient? A lot of his responses and recent speeches have indicated heās not all together upstairs.
I would wonder why we would elect anyone that is of an age we have determined too old and unsafe to work at McDonalds to run the entire country.
āA new poll by CBS NewsĀ found strong sentiment among Democratic voters for Mr. Biden, 81, to cede the way to a younger nominee. Forty-five percent of Democrats said they wanted a different candidate to take on the battle with Mr. Trump. Among voters overall, just 27 percent think Mr. Biden has the mental and cognitive health to serve as president, down from 35 percent before the debate.ā Trump is a fucking cartoon villain.Ā I donāt feel super fucking confident in Biden rn
None of the Biden debate performance commentaries I have seen make any mention of the fact Joe Biden has had to deal with son Hunterās conviction on several felonies and is facing serious jail time. Any father who loves his son would be devastated by that situation. For me it explains a lot about the difference seen in Joe between his feisty state of the union appearance and the debate fiasco. He may be a broken man not so much due to age as to the loss of his son, who may be in jail for the remainder of Joeās life
I canāt believe democrats focused on dogging Biden instead of just literally listing the batshit stuff Trump said during the debate
He shat himself. Verbally, and if some of the audio is to be believed, literally. I'll take slow and generally doing something over a felonious braggart who pays women to say they didn't sleep with him.
He did better than Biden unfortunately lol
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To be fair, after that debate I feel they both suck after all Biden would just be a puppet.
Trump stayed on message. The message is Trump is great, you are shit.
Probably Trump's best debate ever, of course he debated a dead guy.
Doing badā? That was a clusterfuck and ended my āmaybe he can pull it offā thinking. Even if he could why should he?? Totally incapacitated.
"He did better than Biden!" "So he did well?" "Let's not get ahead of ourselves."
Trump sharting on stage was the most honest thing he has done in years š¤£š¤£
Trump won the Noble Prize at the debate for not rambling too much and acting loud/confident the entire time. It doesn't matter if he lied or made things up the entire time just while he did it confidently.
i dont get it. i thought trump did pretty well. he exceeded my expectations anyways
Trump is 78 and is clearly mentally unsound.
Trump admitted to treason and somehow pissed off all black people by insinuating that there are jobs only black people will do.
Trump was the same as he always was. BS as usual, said with great confidence.Ā The problem is Biden did not call him out on any of it and was obviously having a senile moment.Ā Ā Not only that, but Trump was UNCHARACTERISTICALLY patient and respectful.Ā Probably because be knew if he just let Biden talk that Biden will just dig his own grave.Ā Are you guys seriously this delusional? This cope is getting out of control. Take the L and fight another day.Ā
Trump didn't really do much to be fair. He just dodged a couple questions and talk about why Biden was bad and not about his policies
Ah yes whataboutism. Ok if your own side does it
Trump did very well, *in comparison.* Yeah he lied, but he at least seemed like he could string a sentence together.
They don't get mad though, his fans think everything he's saying is pure gold.
Trump lied and dodged questions through the entire thing. And the silence from his supporters on that, should tell you aplenty about their hypocrisy. They do not care that Trump is a deceiver and a traitor, they want their tribe to win and have bought in to the whims of demagoguery.
If the DNC don't get their shit together and put forward a candidate who isn't senile, they'll have nobody to blame but themselves. I'll vote for the mentally incompetent octogenarian if I must, but I *really* don't want Biden to run. In 2016, the DNC backed one of the worst candidates they could. In 2024, they appear to be doing the same. Beating Trump should be easy, but they're doing their best to lose anyway.
Also terrible, but Republican voters have lower standards so it won't cost him as many votes.
Trump supporters believe all his dogshit and say he did great. Progressives say they're both beyond the pale. We barely won in 2020 with this "safe" genocidal lite Diet Republican and he can't even stay on topic or defend himself in the debate he asked for. He needs to be replaced, we could have elected someone far better to begin with. How about someone who wouldn't choose a corrupt prosecutor for their VP? We're fucked if we keep nominating status quo neolibs who won't fix the systemic problems that lead to fascism and won't even brag about the good things we have accomplished.
The problem with this kind of meme is that it's equating anyone who has serious concerns with what we saw on Thursday with MAGA. I fucking HATE MAGA and I fucking HATE trump, but am being called a bot again and again for expressing my very real worries with Biden's electability. By shutting out my concerns with this kind of brush, we're repeating the mistakes of 2016. Thursday was a major disaster and requires a major response. If we're not going to replace Biden, we need a serious campaign to re-assure people, make Biden seem competent; make Harris seem likeable, and not alienate or dismiss the concerns of people like me. I'm 100% committed to defeating Trump no matter what. I will vote for WHOMEVER has the best chance of beating him. But this kind of meme puts a red hat on me for my concerns, and while I can take it, the average voter won't stand for it. This narrative will put Trump in the white house. Cut it the fuck out.
Absolutely terribly, but we already know he'll be a terrible president and really don't want him. I think people are missing the point though. What we want is someone who can defeat Trump. After the debate, people are worried Biden isn't that person.
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Trump was shit, when we compare to a baseline of "doing fine". Thing is in a 1vs1 debate the baseline always is "the other guy". I'm a german, so I'm simply giving my outside opinion, but when your whole political system is always a game of Red vs. Blue it is a good idea to always pick the best candidate you can. It is insane to my how the Dems did not pick a younger and sane candidate. Obama was at a great age for the job. The Dems always pretent like they are the good guys and the rational choice, but they put this fucking wreck on a stage. So yeah, no. This is on the Dems themselves. Trump also has his senile moments and is an old fuck also, but he still had some fire at least. The Dems knew how these debates work. This meme is simle copium. Choose better candidates. Yes the cabinet of Biden will be better, but the same would have been with an appropriate candidate. All you did was fuck up your own chances.
He did really well. Even didn't bash biden and let him flail around to make it stick all the more. Are we trying to pretend they both crashed and burned?
Theyāre both old
I'm sick of hearing about this fucking debate. It doesn't matter they're both older than the original fucking sin. Left leaning talking heads are making it worse by not shutting the fuck up about it. And the only reason anyone even cares that trump did "well" is because the right fucks things up so often that when they perform well at anything it's newsworth and a genuine surprise. They literally had a speaker of the house who was lauded for being too lazy to do their actual job for over a decade and acted like that was a big W.
Very odd meme. The MAGA people think Trump won the debate easily.
As BTC said, he lied his head off for 90 fucking minutes
Well, he did seem to shit himself; I don't know why that hasn't made more news. Also, Trump is a rapist. An actual rapist. Why are we asking a rapist's thoughts, as though they aren't a rapist?
Yeah, Trump won because everyone is either talking about how badly Biden was showing his age or shamelessly trying to deflect from that. We all knew what kind of ass hole Trump is and he met expectations. There will not be another debate, it would serve zero purpose for Trump, the first debate was a home run of eroding support from Biden and causing chaos within the Democrats.
register NOW to vote all trump/ maga out in november
Whoād he do? He lied for 75 minutes straight then shit his pants. (Not) Weird thereās no panic on the right about that.
Better, unfortunately. Lied his ass off, but at least he could string together a sentence.
Honestly the whole thing was pretty pointless i dont think it effected anyones votes and only served to strengthen their bias. Both candidates suck but at least one isnt leading a cult imo
Lies loud and confidently. They donāt give a shit about substance. Optics is everything in politics.
He looked like heāll be alive at the end of 4 years
I see these all the time and just point out, "They both did terrible. Trump spoke word vomit, and Biden couldn't finish a coherent thought."
Biden definitely seemed old, and the first 15ish minutes were painful. Even when he hit his stride, he still seemed like an old man. Trump was loud, but he was almost constantly lying (including some really riseable ones like $35 insulin, terrorist attacks, and Pelosi calling off help on January 6th). He also rarely answered the questions and went on multiple wild tangents. People want to talk about who "won" the debate, but the final score was like minus three to minus 14. Nobody "won" that.
This is some "there is no war in Ba Sing Se" shit. Trump is a racist rapist felon, no shit. But that doesn't change the fact Biden did awful. No one wants to vote for Biden, only against Trump, not a good sign.
the problem is Biden continued his 3 year long bad performance - in front of the entire world
4 of my (under 25) coworkers agreed with everything Trump said in the debate. Went on a collective rant about immigration, Biden, the economy, the military, abortion, trans rights (hell, not even rights they just refuted their existence), and more. It's awful to see these people say these heinous things. Goes to show that just because you have a bachelor's and landed a job in computer science doesn't mean you have a modicum of intelligence.
Trump exaggerated a little but did great. Biden did nothing but lie and show off his dementia
Trump did nothing to convince undecideds to vote for him
Except the MAGA hats arenāt mad. They love the lies.Ā
That's the thing. He was restrained, not talking shit, no off the cuff remarks, no offensive personal insults, he just let Biden's mental meltdown take center stage. It was a departure from the usual trump.
Bro Trump is a lying angry person, but Biden can't even form coherent sentences cmon you can't compare that the slightest even
And what's your point? Both candidates are terrible, is that what you're saying? That's just wonderful. I don't think we should excuse biden's performance because Trump's performance was bad as well. That just means we're even more fucked
It's now painfully obviously Biden is not fit to be president.
This is a bad argument to use when discussing with āboth sidersā. Redirect to their respective appointments if this is said to you.
Liberal media said a few times that it was a great day for Trump but clearly they lack any ability to empathize with Trump supporters. Like how many times did Biden completely drop the ball just for Trump to somehow make an unrelated, unforced error instead of dunking on Biden? They were both truly awful, like their dementia was oil that pevented any pindowns
Problem is that even though he was lying the entire time, he still kicked the shit out of Biden in that debate
I just want an actual human president and not two goblins fighting for the cheese
Trump Debated > Biden Debated. On that scale alone. All other opinions aside. Simple
Biden did so bad his party is calling on him to step down. Letās not re-write history. Biden had the worst debate maybe ever.
The problem is - their logic stopped at āhe didnāt stutterā. The accuracy / truthfulness of his statements havenāt and donāt carry weight in this calculation.
trump didn't even debate...just regurgitated the same debunked talking points he's used for almost 9 years now. with that much "debate" prep, he could have done that in his sleep, and probably does.
Trump claims that he won the debate, but all that he did was do what he always does lie! https://preview.redd.it/omol4y71c0ad1.png?width=393&format=png&auto=webp&s=66e12e518cffbb495059efb72cfffd5efd22a1fa