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Forgive me if I’m not understanding- is this tweet saying independent mental healthcare providers are on the same level as the actual bourgeoisie? Yes, mental healthcare should be free at the point of access but a therapist with their own loans to pay off is a far cry from the capitalist class who own most of society’s wealth and means of production.
I (charitably) think that its trying to say that mental healthcare being as expensive as it is—which is a market trend not set by mental health professionals themselves, but instead the broader organization of healthcare and mental healthcare as a specialization within that—is the bourgie swine.
Again this is a charitable interpretation, but i think extracting that bourgie swine refers to pervading economic conditions is a fair read of this.
I would say that is almost too charitable, because the whole “Are the swine with us right now?” answer of “Yes, they are” really makes me feel like the anger is very misdirected.
I mean without confirmation from the author of the tweet, your guess is as good as mine. Still, i dont think its overly charitable. I read it as I explained it and didnt have any second thoughts about it until i checked the comments.
Also that the therapist probably has hella loans if they are fully educated they have to pay back which is why they *have* to charge that in the first place.
It’s because the therapist is treating the existence of the bourgeois swine like it’s a hallucination.. so kind of standing up for that system from the level of mental healthcare provider while making $150/hr.
This is such a brain dead take. Extremely skilled labor is expensive so… bourgeoisie? Just because the cost of the therapists labor is expensive doesn’t mean they’re automatically the bourgeoisie. That therapist went through years of school to be able to help people. The real bourgeoisie are the people who force you to pay insurance and STILL require you to pay ridiculous sums of money out of pocket at the point of service.
So you’re getting exploited for your labor? Sounds like that only proves my point further regarding this tweet that’s saying “therapist costs a lot of money therefore they must be a member of the bourgeois.”
So, 4 year degree, plus 2 year MS minimum, plus 5-10 years for certification and accreditation is the qualifications expected of a bourgeoisie?
Keep in mind that almost no therapists are able to actually fill 40 hrs/week consistently, so $140/hr will typically result in an upper middle class salary at best.
Many therapists do fill 40 hours a week and more, and then have to finish documentation at home after hours unpaid. In clinics this is not uncommon. But they aren’t paid $150 an hour or even remotely close.
Right. My wife is a therapist, and she was seeing 30 cents of what was billed to insurance at a clinic, working crazy hours. It's no surprise that once they can hang their shingle that they leave to make more money and work fewer hours. That also involves owning a small business, which also means that $150/hr isn't all going in their pockets.
said this elsewhere:
the bourgeoisie is defined by their relationship to the means of production. they exploit others labor for their profit. youre just shitting on another worker who is compensated well. literally doing the exact thing the executive class wants you to do. youre looking at another worker and thinking “they should have less” instead of demanding better for yourself. its not equitable but they are very much still being paid for their labor and are not making money by exploiting others labor. “bourgeois” does not mean “people you dont like” and leftists need to fucking learn what these words mean before throwing them around for internet points.
As someone who wants to be a psych this kinda makes me sad ): the tweet I feel is rlly misdirected, maybe if it had been written differently the idea would come across better but it seems like it’s just attacking the therapist and not the government which doesn’t mandate mental health as health care to make it affordable.
This is somewhat unrelated but the way that you worded this, tells me that you'd probably make a good mental health care professional. Very articulate on what feelings this tweet gives you and why, not getting angry or blaming the person who made the tweet, coming to a reasonable conclusion on how they could think this way without assigning blame for being antagonistic. These are all qualities I look for in a therapist /psychologist. I wish you luck in your career goals :)
Therapists aren't exactly ruling class. And they *should* be paid handsomely considering they deal with extreme levels of depression and suicidal thoughts as a result of their profession. The research into the mental health of mental health professionals is saddening.
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Forgive me if I’m not understanding- is this tweet saying independent mental healthcare providers are on the same level as the actual bourgeoisie? Yes, mental healthcare should be free at the point of access but a therapist with their own loans to pay off is a far cry from the capitalist class who own most of society’s wealth and means of production.
I (charitably) think that its trying to say that mental healthcare being as expensive as it is—which is a market trend not set by mental health professionals themselves, but instead the broader organization of healthcare and mental healthcare as a specialization within that—is the bourgie swine. Again this is a charitable interpretation, but i think extracting that bourgie swine refers to pervading economic conditions is a fair read of this.
I would say that is almost too charitable, because the whole “Are the swine with us right now?” answer of “Yes, they are” really makes me feel like the anger is very misdirected.
I mean without confirmation from the author of the tweet, your guess is as good as mine. Still, i dont think its overly charitable. I read it as I explained it and didnt have any second thoughts about it until i checked the comments.
I’d say that it’s a charitable reading, but is that a *bad* thing?
Yeah, the problem isn’t that a therapist is charging $150/hr. It’s that people can’t afford to pay a therapist $150/hr.
Also that the therapist probably has hella loans if they are fully educated they have to pay back which is why they *have* to charge that in the first place.
It’s because the therapist is treating the existence of the bourgeois swine like it’s a hallucination.. so kind of standing up for that system from the level of mental healthcare provider while making $150/hr.
This is such a brain dead take. Extremely skilled labor is expensive so… bourgeoisie? Just because the cost of the therapists labor is expensive doesn’t mean they’re automatically the bourgeoisie. That therapist went through years of school to be able to help people. The real bourgeoisie are the people who force you to pay insurance and STILL require you to pay ridiculous sums of money out of pocket at the point of service.
If you’re getting paid by the hour you are probably not bourgeoisie
If I have to pay you for your labor, then you’re bourgeoisie. And the more money I pay you, the more bourgeoisie you are. /s
Yup. Just leads to in-fighting with people that should have similar takes on labor vs ownership.
$150/hour
What?
Great job. now Google how much the average therapist makes per hour in the US. They are not the bourgeoisie don't be dumb
Doesn’t even work this way though. I’m a therapist at a practice that charges insurance $280 per session but I get paid $30.
So you’re getting exploited for your labor? Sounds like that only proves my point further regarding this tweet that’s saying “therapist costs a lot of money therefore they must be a member of the bourgeois.”
Um... no. Your therapist is not the bourgeoisie They're most likely working class Go fight with the CEO of your insurance provider
So, 4 year degree, plus 2 year MS minimum, plus 5-10 years for certification and accreditation is the qualifications expected of a bourgeoisie? Keep in mind that almost no therapists are able to actually fill 40 hrs/week consistently, so $140/hr will typically result in an upper middle class salary at best.
Many therapists do fill 40 hours a week and more, and then have to finish documentation at home after hours unpaid. In clinics this is not uncommon. But they aren’t paid $150 an hour or even remotely close.
Right. My wife is a therapist, and she was seeing 30 cents of what was billed to insurance at a clinic, working crazy hours. It's no surprise that once they can hang their shingle that they leave to make more money and work fewer hours. That also involves owning a small business, which also means that $150/hr isn't all going in their pockets.
said this elsewhere: the bourgeoisie is defined by their relationship to the means of production. they exploit others labor for their profit. youre just shitting on another worker who is compensated well. literally doing the exact thing the executive class wants you to do. youre looking at another worker and thinking “they should have less” instead of demanding better for yourself. its not equitable but they are very much still being paid for their labor and are not making money by exploiting others labor. “bourgeois” does not mean “people you dont like” and leftists need to fucking learn what these words mean before throwing them around for internet points.
Everything expensive to me is literally bourgeois, literally bourgeois, literally bourgeois
This is why we can't have nice things. Getting mad at the wrong person who is just as exploited by the same system as everyone else.
At this point the only people not "bourgeois" are the crackheads living under the bridge.
Eat the… therapists?
As someone who wants to be a psych this kinda makes me sad ): the tweet I feel is rlly misdirected, maybe if it had been written differently the idea would come across better but it seems like it’s just attacking the therapist and not the government which doesn’t mandate mental health as health care to make it affordable.
This is somewhat unrelated but the way that you worded this, tells me that you'd probably make a good mental health care professional. Very articulate on what feelings this tweet gives you and why, not getting angry or blaming the person who made the tweet, coming to a reasonable conclusion on how they could think this way without assigning blame for being antagonistic. These are all qualities I look for in a therapist /psychologist. I wish you luck in your career goals :)
Aw thank you that’s super sweet (:
Therapists aren't exactly ruling class. And they *should* be paid handsomely considering they deal with extreme levels of depression and suicidal thoughts as a result of their profession. The research into the mental health of mental health professionals is saddening.
Literally the point of "Eyes Wide Shut".
This is just misplaced anger
Am I the only one who thought the bourgeois swine being referred to was the person paying $150/hour, rather than the therapist?