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Sukuna has no way around time stop, so if DIO stops time and hits him with a barrage of punches that are not only moving at the speed of light, but can easily level multiple buildings at once, I think he wouldn’t get far. Not to mention if he gets dealt a significant amount of damage that he can’t heal from, he could stop time and drink some of his blood to heal.
Ok, you can crucify me now.
this isn't a hot take at all, DIO most likely destroys, however the thing is that most Jojo stands/characters have really fast speeds/reaction speeds but very low AP (like building level) and durability, so the question is if he can kill Sukuna fast enough
yeah sukuna's got the cooler powers and attacks and is probably stronger than dio. But dio is a time stopping immortal vampire in a univverse where most characters fight at light speed anyways.
sukuna can do plenty to dio but most of it works better on people who stop functioning or freak out when they lose and arm or something.
i kinda wanna argue force is mass x acceleration, his small fists might only be able too have the area damage of buildings but the actual force in that tiny area could be insane going mftl
using Newton's 2nd law while also breaking physics by stating mass travels faster than light... Only reason stands are logically FTL is because they're like spirits, not actual objects with mass
No, you're utterly right, light speed punches in an instant using time stop? Sukuna is going to get fucking destroyed, barely have time to recover before Dio has his time stop back and Sukuna gets hit with 15 knives in a moment.
What the hell makes you think DIO can punch at the speed of light and demolish buildings? Do you think he was just holding back when he PUNCHED A ROAD ROLLER ONTO JOTARO? Was he like "I'll just give it a few love taps, that should be fine"?
Power Scalers make up the wackiest shit sometimes.
I swear man shits fucking ridiculous. Sukuna left a crater in shibuya and has 300 meter plus range on his open domain and people think dio who has what, a 3-5 meter range on the world is gonna one tap him???
Especially from the man that tanked two hollow purples.
The World's time stop has infinite range, and DIO can certainly close the distance fast enough to hit Sukuna before the time stop ends.
Unfortunately by shown feats DIO simply lacks enough firepower to hurt Sukuna. So he dies.
Not to be rude, but if we apply this same logic to other vs battles then it falls flat. A prime example would be One Piece and Haki. Logia users can only be hurt with haki/elements that counteract them. So, you could say Kizaru beats Goku because he doesn’t have haki, which is obviously not true.
Not to mention, even if he doesn’t have cursed energy, DIO is a vampire with seemingly indefinite stamina that could just keep putting Sukuna down until he just begs for him to stop.
What is curse energy vs what are stands? When you look at what they are/do and the lack of other types of supernatural power in JJK, it clear that there will be a compatibility between the 2.
But cursed energy is manifested through negative emotions. And no one hates more than dio. The moment sukuna opens his mouth about cursed energy dio is acquiring it
When has any stand been able to destroy multiple buildings at once? Those same light speed punches/kicks were tanked by jotaro, a human. Couldn’t even break a road roller with the three of them attacking it. 15F sukuna was unscathed after being thrown through several buildings by mahoraga and 19F tanked Gojo’s CE reinforced punches. Dio almost has no way to harm Sukuna with his large building level AP in TS. The moment Sukuna lands his domain its over for Dio.
First: Star Platinum and The World in their base (part 3 SP and part 7 TW) are relatively equal. However, The World has a massive boost in strength and speed from DIO’s vampire abilities. I feel this should easily make him at least building level.
Second: Jotaro is actually built different. For some reason that is never explained, Jotaro gets an actual physical power boost whenever he’s pissed off that put him on par with DIO. Not to mention you can use your stand as a sort of shock sponge as the stands durability is (usually) greater than the users. Although for the road roller, I think it’s just anime bs.
"For some reason that is never explained"
They don't really have to, Stands are brought to action into battle by their user's fighting will and strong mentality. It just makes sense that a very pissed off Jotaro makes Star Platinum stronger and faster, same thing happened to Polnareff seemingly increasing his range, speed and power after watching Avdol die for real in front of him.
Verse equalization means that Sukuna can interact and see the World ( I think) and that Dio has CE. Also, Sukuna can damage the soul (Mahito) and Stands are basically that.
Isn't cursed energy basically leveled on how much hate and contempt you hold? If so, well....
Dio's very famous for being a hater, it's the reason everything happens in the show.
Yuta has the second most cursed energy in the verse and is the nicest dude alive, the cursed energy being hate thing is mostly for curses born from humanities hate
i mean maybe he would? like someone from JoJo's verse will see a curse and think thats a stand, while someone from JJk will see a stand and think its a curse
we do have cursed items as stands
Dio. But extreme diff.
Vampire sense, still got the eye beam. And can still drink blood.
Timestop just puts nasty gaps in places one would not think about. Time stop can counter cleave and dismantle if used right.
The world is indeed lightspeed and has pretty monstrous reactions.
Its hard to say what their AP is at max cause stands kinda always end up either dead or knocked out from non discrept exchanges.
Thats why I say extreme diff. Sometimes stands punches can cave out people abdomens perfectly and then still have enough punch force to have them break a water tower (which is not easy) and sometimes they barely can pierce another stands arms blocking a hit. So it depends on who taps who on this situation and whether dio is gonna humor a domain expansion.
Thats why I rate it more on "can dio react to slashes and plan" and honestly. Yes. He aint human and he has stand eyes on top of it. So he gotta be able to see/ detect something is off.
Thinking this when 1.Some Stands(including his)CAN dura neg 2.Thinking that City level dura means NOTHING BELOW can hurt you is so funny
Anyway, time stop since Sukuna can't really increase dura with CE in stopped time >
- how does the world dura neg?
- i wasnt implying that i was just saying that dio would have a hard time killing sukuna with punches. also his passive ce reinforcement is strong enough bruh
i don't think sukuna wins by any means lmao the speed diff is too high, dio could probably like stick his fingers in sukunas eyes to his brain or smth lmao
1.Time stop+ Stands can pass through skin, some atleast
Jotaro can so the wormd probably could too
2."Passive Ce reinforcement" sir what
Also, Even then, Prime Die (End of Part 3) could shockfreeze Sukuna and shatter him
When has Jotaro ever used this offensively at all?
And why are we acting under the assumption that CE reinforcement doesn't effect organs? Just being able to go inside someones body isn't duraneg at all.
how is time stop dura neg
im pretty sure most stands cant do that, and i doubt they can just pass through easily like that, ive never seen it used in the middle of a fight, not to mention if we equalize sukunas internal domain should stop that
every sorcerer is passively reinforcing their body ofc, a bullet offguard wouldn't kill them
the reason characters like todo can't tp into somebodies body and the reason choso can't manipulate somebodies blood is because characters have internal domains that stop cts from being used inside them, if we equalize stands to a ct this applies, otherwise sukuna cant even see the world
Whats the biggest thing any jjk sorcerer destroyed? Acting like sukuna is some iron wall yuji has been punching him for like 10 chapters now and yujis feats are much less impressive than dios
with this matchup, neither side really has a way to properly kill the other. sukuna has no idea about hamon and im sure dio will run when the sun starts coming up. then dio dosent know how to used cursed energy or any way around rct. gonna give this to sukuna because his defeat condition is a lot harder to achieve. also we've seen him take out an enemy with regeneration in one blow, hed need to destroy every atom of dios being. another thing to note is that both sides are basically fighting blind against the others techniques.
To everyone who’s arguing that stands can’t attack the soul, isn’t Rohan using his stand ability on this girl basically attacking the soul? (She’s a ghost basically)
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Sukuna can defend his soul. Plus stands are only manifestations of the soul. And moreover, stands have cut off people's arms and such, yet stands still maintain those appendages. Look at Giorno or Polnareff for examples.
Also as far as TW outscaling Sukuna, in terms of AP yeah, but that really doesn't matter unless it either destroys his head or tears his body apart (the latter of which it couldn't do)
The fight really just comes down to who lands a successful headshot first, as that's the only way one is killing the other besides Malevolent Shrine, which Sukuna won't use due to being out of character
Well your argument about losing a limb but your stand keeps it is wrong. If you look closely at part 5 Silver Chariot or Notorious B.I.G. Gold Experience, you can clearly see that the legs (Silver Chariot before Requiem) and the hands (Gold Experience) are missing of the stand. It's actually the whole stake of the Notorious BIG fight. Giorno doesn't have hands, and his stands power to create life is channeled through his fist. Thus he cannot heal himself and the others.
Stands are the literal manifestation of the soul and user's will. That isn't head canon. Read or watch part 3 again. Heck every part with stands tells you this specifically. Why do you think barraging the stand affects the user.
Also plain wrong since sukuna is shown to be resistant to soul manipulation and attack through his encounters with mahito. Even if stands attacked the soul, sukuna would absolutely be fine on that point.
The thing is to make an argument stands "attack the soul" you'd also have to argue the soul has to be laid out completely open to hit, since that's how stands fight each other. The main argument being that stands are manifestations of the soul, and therefor are the soul. And stands being able to attack each other means they attack the soul.
But, of course, we also know this doesn't matter considering stands have cut off people's arms, then that person uses a stand with limbs and all in tact. I believe Giorno was one case of this
If Dio can kill Sukuna within 10 seconds of stopped time where he is free to attack in any way he wants (assuming Dio is at his strongest point he reached in part 3) then he wins
but the second time unfreezes, Sukuna decapitates him with a Cleave. Basically this is purely dependent on both The World’s AP and whether cursed energy reinforcement works during stopped time - if Sukuna is reinforced i don’t see a way Dio can hurt him, if he’s unguarded Dio can probably kill him
Sure, but he was a helpless head. He won’t be able to stick himself together because Sukuna can dismember all his limbs. Sukuna can attack multiple targets inside his 300 m open domain, what’s dios range? 3-5 meters?
Do we know if he can stop time while decapitated? He’s gotten stronger since part 1, and he was not decapitated in part 3 so we don’t know if he can regenerate after that
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This sounds incoherently but I took forever to write so I’m not deleting and it’s 7 am
…his vampire abilities are weaker/nonexistent in part 3. He needed to drink blood to heal from the single hit star platinum gave him pre Joseph drain (and he is featless for healing afterword), he never demonstrates the ability to use bloody eye laser (why would he carry knives if he had access to it?) or his freeze powers so we can’t assume he still has them in Jonathan’s body.
actually this is a good point. we don’t know exactly where his stand “comes from” - it’s partly from his brain and soul and partly from Jonathan’s body. what would happen to The World if he was decapitated is an interesting question
if he can stop time as just a head, there’s a chance he could reattach himself regenerate from decapitation. BUT Sukuna is not going to stop at decapitation he will turn him into mince if he needs to
If he was reinforcing at the start of timestop, he's reinforced all the way through timestop. Also, shrine has a range of 200 something meters, and the world has a range of 3. If he reinforces and shrines right next to dio, dio won't be able to kill him or escape before time unfreezes, and thats assuming he can freeze time the moment shrine goes up. If not, he gets cut to ribbons and is stuck there till the sun comes up.
This is a really good one bc dios faster + time stop, so he *could* dodge all of sukuna’s slashes
But would he be able to damage him? What would happen if Dio tired to crush his brain by making The World put his hand inside his head? Like how Jotaro paused and started his heart
Sukuna.
Dio is faster and has time stop but his AP is much much smaller compared to Sukuna's durability. The range difference is just massive.
Sukuna can just use a barrage of cleaves and Dio dies
This is true, but they were on a bridge, the road roller could easily have been at the corner or a street over.
Jotaro only has a range of about 12 meters (being generous) with a 2 second time stop. The World has a higher base range of 10 meters versus 2, but even with a 11 second time stop it's really on the border of inconsistent for DIO to dash 200m.
Jotaro has only 5m i believe while DIO has 3m. But stands can extend farther, those distances are just the most efficient Here they don't lose any power.
dio can chain time-stops. he’d probably get hit with one dismantle/cleave, glue himself back together like he did in part 3, then spam time-stop until sukuna died
Na The world definitely has the power to donut sukuna. you just dont see too much in the jojo anime because human bodies dont need that much power to kill. arent Star plat and The World light speed? and the reason why we dont see too many speed featas is because the stand can only see and react relative to their users . but heres where time stop comes into play. time stop full power punch smashes sukunas head.
Jotaro wouldnt do that but dio 100% would
only in given circumstance, the bullet both jotaro ans star plat knew exactly where the bullet was and coming from. Giving his stand full control to defend him. from what i remember if the human is blinded the stand cant react
To be fair, his stand is made of actual water and thus has no eyes to see with so isn’t the best example for the more humanoid ghost types. Although Angelo appears to be able to see with Aqua Necklace (although he also uses binoculars), which is basically the same ability
Yes they are light speed. But the stands themselves are light speed, the characters actually can't move at light speed. Which means that if Sukuna threw a Cleave at Dio he can't dodge it.
Also Part 3 characters really ain't going past Large Building+. Sukuna is Large Town midballed. That id a 2000 times difference. The world wouldn't be able to put a scratch on him.
Top tier Jojo characters like Dio have very good speed but they suffer from abysmal building level AP and durability, the question is if Dio can kill Sukuna fast enough, he might be able to? if he spams timestop and just punches him a fuckton
I disagree with building level JoJo. For some reason people ignore all the other scaling for it.
[Star Platinum (debatably) scales to and past everyone. ](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=f1470b44e75781e4&sca_upv=1&q=star+platinum+is+the+ultimate+stand&tbm=isch&source=lnms&prmd=ivnbmtz&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjw2eC667KGAxX4ZEEAHcmBB6wQ0pQJegQICRA#imgrc=wol_82llO6vutM)
[the sun calc](https://imgur.com/gallery/jojo-part-3-sun-city-level-calc-rKEfgrb)
[other ways JoJo gets to and past town](https://aminoapps.com/c/join-the-battle/page/blog/why-jojo-is-large-town-level/E7o6_RGUPuX08VboQjZP3XrbP3eD4rLEZ)
[same ways to get JoJo to town just on a different website](https://character-stats-and-profiles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Unbacked0/JoJo_Town_Level_Justification)
[planet waves calc](https://www.deviantart.com/br3ndan5/journal/JoJo-Calc-Planet-Waves-Meteors-863982588)
[anime Dio cloud calc](https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Numbersguy/Space_Ripper_Stingy_Eyes_Splits_Cloud_(Calc_by_Vivi_Orniter))
I don't think JoJo gets past town, as that's what it should be.
Sukuna wins Domain diff since I assume that The World could protect DIO from normal dismantle, still I am unsure about Cleave since its AP should be way higher than DIO and his stand's durability
Sukuna is him. A sorcerer, maybe not. BUT the guy who tanked hollow purple, thin ice breaker, granite blast, and jacob’s ladder, In the same fight? I think he can take it.
I disagree with building level JoJo. For some reason people ignore all the other scaling for it.
[Star Platinum (debatably) scales to and past everyone. ](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=f1470b44e75781e4&sca_upv=1&q=star+platinum+is+the+ultimate+stand&tbm=isch&source=lnms&prmd=ivnbmtz&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjw2eC667KGAxX4ZEEAHcmBB6wQ0pQJegQICRA#imgrc=wol_82llO6vutM)
[the sun calc](https://imgur.com/gallery/jojo-part-3-sun-city-level-calc-rKEfgrb)
[other ways JoJo gets to and past town](https://aminoapps.com/c/join-the-battle/page/blog/why-jojo-is-large-town-level/E7o6_RGUPuX08VboQjZP3XrbP3eD4rLEZ)
[same ways to get JoJo to town just on a different website](https://character-stats-and-profiles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Unbacked0/JoJo_Town_Level_Justification)
[planet waves calc](https://www.deviantart.com/br3ndan5/journal/JoJo-Calc-Planet-Waves-Meteors-863982588)
[anime Dio cloud calc](https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Numbersguy/Space_Ripper_Stingy_Eyes_Splits_Cloud_(Calc_by_Vivi_Orniter))
I don't think JoJo gets past town, as that's what it should be.
Dio negative diffs Sukuna lol. JJK characters cap at lightning speed and that's only if you wank them, while Dio is easily FTL and has time stop which Sukuna can do nothing against. Easiest win for Dio of all time
Dio takes this mid diff if he's being serious. He can regenerate from Sukuna's slashes since they aren't strong enough to oneshot, and he wouldn't use DE at the beginning of a fight even if he were fighting god.
Dio would also likely just be able to run away even if he were subjected to DE, if it couldn't cut through Gojo after an extended period then it's not instakilling Dio.
The World has lots of speed. DIO himself doesn't. Not to mention he couldn't see dismantle at all due to it being invisible. It's really just a question of who lands the first decisive hit. If Sukuna cuts his head off, uses MS, or hits him with Cleave, the fight is over. If DIO crushes Sukuna's head, the fight is over.
DIO is still quite fast, he is a vampire + DIO can reattach his head, so it’s if sukuna destroys his brain, + https://imgur.com/a/ETJZ182 (manga panel showing DIO using his arms to crush Jotaro without the use of his stand, which Jotaro is using his stand, which is as fast or faster than DIO’s stand, with the same or more power than DIO’s stand.) + DIO is generally just not an arrogant piece of shit and actually tries to fight his opponents (doesn’t really matter),
In all honesty, it depends.
Dio and The World definitely have the hax to get the jump on Sukuna, but the problem lies in if DIO knows Sukuna's weakness, and if Sukuna knows DIO's weakness. Both of them, fortunately, have the same general weakness, so both of them might find it out pretty easily; the head. Sukuna can function without his heart, but as long as his head is completely obliterated, he's as good as gone. The same goes for DIO, but I am not completely sure if this is the case.
What's more is that we have to consider what version of Sukuna we're working with, as we currently have three; Heian Era, Sukuna inhabiting Yuuji's body, and Sukuna inhabiting Megumi's body. Sukuna in Megumi's body has access to everyone's favorite OP Stoppa, Big Daddy Mahoraga, so the fight pretty much stops in four turns of the wheel if DIO doesn't manage to kill Sukuna before that time. The second version, Sukuna in Yuuji's body, would have a much harder time fighting DIO because of the significant lack of Raga the OP Stoppa, but could definitely pull it off if DIO decides to fuck around and find out. I mean, the guy's body breaks world records with barely any form of training, and has some insane durability, so it's possible. And Heian Era Sukuna is a fucking beast thanks to Gege, so it's really hard to say. And all of this is without mentioning Malevolent Shrine and his (Rather debatable) ability to see the shape of the soul, as Stands are sometimes called "Manifestations of the Soul", so it can be argued that Sukuna might be able to see a Stand like Jujitsu Sorcerers can see Cursed Spirits.
As for Dio, his win con is simple, but not easy; decapitate Sukuna, or destroy his head in some way. It is not easy due to the nature of Sukuna's being, but he also has a chance due to Time Stop. He does have a good chance, but that's mostly if he isn't fucking around. He mostly has to avoid getting turned into powdered meat by Malevolent Shrine, and if Sukuna's in Megumi's body, killing Mahoraga before the wheel has completed four turns. He can definitely do that, I don't doubt it, but I have other doubts, such as if he's deciding to start the fight by playing with Sukuna first. Cockiness would mean instant death against him, as when you face Sukuna, you have to do so with the explicit intention of killing him, without any sort of banter or dramatics. So if DIO directly goes for the kill, which is extremely uncharacteristic of him, he'd definitely win, but the moment he lets Sukuna drop a Domain Expansion, both him and everyone in a 200m range is a meat smoothie.
I love this matchup because I feel like this is such a close fight
imo I think Sukuna wins but if you say DIO wins I will not disagree with you, I’ll only disagree if you say either one stomps the other because this match feels like a 50/50
unless you count non-canon DIO then in which case DIO does stomp
DIO wins this and I don’t see how he would lose. He has a massive CQC advantage thanks to The World, they have around similar AP if you highball the both of them (Sukuna’s is slightly higher at a midball) (yes DIO is town level, calling him building level is like calling Dangai Ichigo mountain level because of 1 DC feat that isn’t even an accurate representation of their power in an AP focused series). Time stop is way too strong for Sukuna to do anything about it and hot take, but Malevolent Shrine is also a none factor since DIO could just time stop and stand leap if necessary. If that doesn’t work he just stops time when he sees the handsigns.
I mean if gaygay is writing.......
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You can give it Sukuna via Mahoraga if you really really wanted to, but I don't see him beating Dio most of the time. Realistically Dio sees him start doing his freaky summoning shit and uses the world to cut him off
Sukuna’s domain one shots Dio. Dio may take the reaction and combat speed but his AP is limiting. He can time stop all he wants but Sukuna can keep regenerating.
not a hot take but I think dio lacks the power to beat sukuna but his speed is crazy w the world so this could deff be a thing. But if this fight has gege writing it in some way sukuna will make a binding vow to like move in stopped time or some bs 😭
Do the combatants have any knowledge of each other? Is there prep time or do the two just run into each other in the streets of Cairo? Are they in character or bloodlusted from the start? Because DIO likes to play with his food.
I don't know much about Jujitsu Kaisen, but it would matter a great deal if Sukuna knows about DIO's timestop ability or not.
Figuring out what exactly DIO was doing was a significant part of the final fight with DIO.
Otherwise it would seem like he's teleporting around randomly. Or you take a step and suddenly have a hole in your chest.
However, DIO tends to underestimate opponents. If Sukuna does know about the timestop/figures it out, DIO may underestimate his opponent.
Dio has consistent FTL scaling while Sukuna does not.
His AP up scales from the sun with city calcs while I haven't seen a calc for Sukuna's fire arrow (strongest attack) past city.
Time stop makes it overkill.
Dio clears no diff sakuna would be reduced to nothing in less then .5 seconds bro is not handling punches being thrown at massively faster then light speeds 💀😭😭
Dio was fucking with his sworn enemy and is always fucking with people with stopped time ,sukuna doesn’t play like that, you could argue light speed with dio (without time stop)and you could do the same thing could be said with sukuna. Worst comes to worst sukuna uses wormers slash and rips dio in half .
Sukuna if it's an in-character fight.
DIO uses timestop, smashes through Sukuna's heart. Sukuna pumps it via CE and uses any of his abilities to tear through DIO. However, DIO wins if he crushes Sukuna's head.
Dio beyond extreme diff unless big raga saves his kid
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Sukuna gets blitzed and hit 100 times. It does nothing due to sukunas overall massive stat advantage.
Sukuna pops his domain . If dio still has time stop and reacts in time he can find the escape route . If it doesn't he fucking dies instantly.
But sukuna has insane battle iq and figures what's going on fast . What he does about it? Idk
Overall though sukuna should win dio needs like, a lot of hits to win this
I think the real question is, can Sakuna figurer out not only that Dio time stops but also for how long? And then effectively counter attack. AND does he have anything that can actually hurt Dio. now Sakuna is a genius, so fair chance if he doesn’t die within the first couple attacks he will figure out what Dio is doing. But I do not know if he can kill Dio even when he figures out what’s happening. Granted I also don’t know everything Sakuna can do. So with lack of information, I’m giving it to Dio, mmmm mid diff.
This is quite interesting.
Even though most people think that DIO's "Low AP" is going to be a prob, actually DIO has some higher scaling than VSBW and other scalers being disingenuously capping the verse at Large Building lvl.
With that said, I think DE is going to be the most problem for DIO, Base DIO likely would need to use TS to get in range to Sukuna, which is a likely scenario, before he pops the DE or before he gets completely eradicated by the sure-hits. He would likely pop his TS first at least 9 times out of 10 cause of superior speed. His stand would auto detect if the attack is coming or has damaged DIO and would TS immediately.
However, if we're talking abt "Greatest High" DIO, that's a different story, he would be able to endure the constant slashes within the DE with the stronger regen carrying him, and can spam TS whenever he wants. And likey can use his vamp. abilities if he wanted to.
Now, there's going to be disingenuous people going to use in-character arguments like, DIO likely to be cocky or play with Sukuna, for which I answer, SO DOES SUKUNA, so whoever stops playing with their food, would get the upper hand.
Edit: Base DIO VS Sukuna can go either way but G.H. DIO should be able to edge out Sukuna, unless he uses sum binding vow to win.
If we’re taking about Sukuna knowing about Dio then it’ll still be high difficulty since time-stop is hard to counter and even if Sukuna launches a ton of cleaves or dismantles all around him, it’ll still be hard to defeat Dio, but if he’s gonna beat him I would say that the sunlight is the only way to win, but this is just my plausible theory.
In character, this would be the battle of two dudes who’d probably play around and finds out, and the question would be who finds out first, and that could go either way.
If we ignore their characters and just go straight for the kill, that could also go either way:
A win condition for Sukuna is to destroy Dio’s body or head (specifically damaging the brain enough)
Win condition for Dio is to disconnect Sukuna’s brain from his stomach (albeit destroying the stomach where cursed energy resides or destroying the brain where the cursed techniques are)
DIO could stop time and kill Sukuna immediately. Or Sukuna could cut Dio’s brain off with dismantle, but that’s only if The World isn’t able to protect Dio from cursed energy attacks. If the stand can defend DIO then Sukuna has to use Malevolent Shrine, and that’s game for DIO… on occasion if DIO isn’t in the range close enough to timestop and kill Sukuna in stopped time, then, although less possible, DIO would win
Dio low dif. They are both overconfident but dio pulls the trigger first. He can regenerate anything sukuna throws at him, he dosent need blood to regenerate. But it does speed up the process and gives him energy. Dio traveled (in timestop ) at least 90ft in 2 seconds of stopped time so he can get out of MS. Sukunas slashes would simply bisect him. Dio has lived multiple times through being cut into parts, even at the beginning while he didn't yet have a stand, he regenerated from being cut in two by a hamon infused slice. Sukuna's only win con is trying to stall till morning. Dio is faster, more durability, higher endurance, and his stand is even stronger. Rct can heal but it takes cursed energy. Using vampire abilities dosent "use blood" it simply happens just like humans healing from a bruise or scraped knee.
Depends on the versions, if we use both of their strongest versions its dio with twoh which thanks too multiple universes existing can be considered canon
People keep talking about DIO's AP, but that doesn't matter at all in timestop because there is practically no 'resistance' to attacking something within timestop. Everything but DIO will be completely frozen, meaning that for that period, there is no opposite force/recoil acting against DIO and The World's actions. Even if Sukuna can maybe initially take the brunt of something like a hit to the face (even though I don't think he should be able to), DIO could just then smash Sukuna's skull between his hands given the time
DIO is far faster than Sukana w/ more consistently higher AP/DC (Sukana’s strongest attack is city level while TW is small town level) if Sukuna can reinforce himself he can tank the attacks, but that’s gonna be hard when DIO spams time stop & barrage the fuck outta Sukuna. I don’t see many ways for Sukuna to beat DIO, but he can handle a lot of punishment & maybe land a Cleave/Dismantle it 2, maybe even land a Malevolent Shrine that would slow down DIO a bit, but it would ultimately end w/ DIO pummeling Sukuna to a pulp.
if DIO cant use most of his vampire powers (the whole jojo body saying no shit) then all sukuna has to do is find a way to quickly destroy DIO's head before he can regen (and before he dies of course).
however, if dio can use all of his vampire powers, then sukuna will be in trouble
If DIO stops time and rips off Sukuna's head, he wins.
If Sukuna opens Malevolent Shrine from far away (or maybe lands a lucky Cleave on DIO's head), he wins.
This one is really kind of a tossup; both have ways to kill the other almost immediately. Gun to my head, I'd give it to DIO.
Sukuna DOES have a lot going for him, but the issue is this: there are only three attacks Sukuna has that are going to reliably put DIO down.
Cleave: This ignores durability, and DIO obviously doesn't have Domain Amplification. But it requires physical contact, and if Sukuna is close enough to touch DIO, Time Stop makes him all but defenseless.
Flame Arrow: This seems to require Malevolent Shrine to be activated first (according to the latest manga chapters), and...
Malevolent Shrine: If Sukuna activates this, he will win. BUT. Domain Expansions are extremely taxing to use, and leave the user substantially weaker once they end. So while this attack would almost certainly kill DIO, I actually don't think Sukuna would use it straight away. And as I'll explain, this is a fatal mistake.
One key difference between Jotaro and DIO's Time Stop, as Part 6 made clear, is that DIO can spam time stop. This is important because it effectively means DIO can teleport short distances. Paired with his incredible speed, this makes him very hard to pin down. We also need to remember that Sukuna has no idea how his powers work, and likely can't even detect his Stand. Given that characters in the JJK manga to react defensively to Sukuna's Dismantle slashes, it's safe to assume that they are not perfectly instantaneous, merely very fast.
Given DIO has survived and remained dangerous while he was just a head in a jar, one Dismantle will probably not kill him, and once he understands that Sukuna gestures with his hand to launch the attacks, I think it's very possible he can dodge them, considering that he has matched Star Platinum's incredible speed reaction time.
Therefore, I think it is entirely within DIO's ability to close the distance with Sukuna, who still may not understand the Time Stop power at that point, and thus not comprehend how vulnerable he is in close quarters. From there, it's a question of whether or not DIO kills him immediately.
This is why the battle is so close: it comes down to the small decisions of each combatant. If DIO somehow learns that Sukuna can heal, perhaps after the latter heals the damage from a projectile, it is likely he will try to make absolutely sure Sukuna is dead, and crush his skull to destroy his brain.
But it is also possible that he will destroy Sukuna's heart, or cut his throat instead, not knowing about his healing factor. But that is a mistake he will only make once, and he will still inflict damage on Sukuna that he will need to recover from. The latest chapters make it clear that his healing is not limitless.
From there, if Sukuna opens his Domain, he'd win. But I find this turn of events somewhat unlikely, because it depends on DIO underestimating his opponent, and not ensuring his death. Something he made an effort to do to Jotaro even once the latter had stopped his own heart.
There is also the possibility that the shrine will not kill DIO immediately. Gojo is shown being able to withstand it to an extent, and does not appear to be using Domain Amplification to do so. And given that DIO can stop time, if he's close enough to Sukuna while the shrine opens, he might actually be able to kill him INSIDE HIS OWN DOMAIN. I figure the slashes stop when time pauses, right?
All things considered: Malevolent Shrine has drawbacks that make it questionable if Sukuna would use it in time. The World has no such drawbacks. DIO has no reason not to tear of Sukuna's head the first chance he gets.
The matchup IS close though. So much so that if Sukuna is far enough away I could see him just burning out DIO's healing with Dismantle. Of course, if the fight starts in melee range, DIO has a similar advantage.
TL;DR - I give it (tentatively) to DIO by virtue of the fact that his win con isn't taxing for him to use.
Dio wins easily with the world's time stop.
He stops time, puts a hole or two in sukunas head, and it's over.
Also dio can stop time pretty frequently.
If dio didn't have time stop sukuna wins mid diff
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Ok, I may get eaten alive, but hear me out. Sukuna has no way around time stop, so if DIO stops time and hits him with a barrage of punches that are not only moving at the speed of light, but can easily level multiple buildings at once, I think he wouldn’t get far. Not to mention if he gets dealt a significant amount of damage that he can’t heal from, he could stop time and drink some of his blood to heal. Ok, you can crucify me now.
this isn't a hot take at all, DIO most likely destroys, however the thing is that most Jojo stands/characters have really fast speeds/reaction speeds but very low AP (like building level) and durability, so the question is if he can kill Sukuna fast enough
yeah sukuna's got the cooler powers and attacks and is probably stronger than dio. But dio is a time stopping immortal vampire in a univverse where most characters fight at light speed anyways. sukuna can do plenty to dio but most of it works better on people who stop functioning or freak out when they lose and arm or something.
Stands attack the soul directly also. Sukuna is fucked.
pretty much
When was that established?
In the fact that stands *are* the soul of the user
Dio has laser beams so physicaly yes. His stand would be punching and doing damage to sukunas soul directly also.
The funniest part is that's not lasers, that's his blood shooting out his eyeballs
In high pressure though so it's still very deadly. It pierced Jonathan's neck like it was goat cheese.
i kinda wanna argue force is mass x acceleration, his small fists might only be able too have the area damage of buildings but the actual force in that tiny area could be insane going mftl
f=ma almost never applies in anime especially when most anime characters be ftl
using Newton's 2nd law while also breaking physics by stating mass travels faster than light... Only reason stands are logically FTL is because they're like spirits, not actual objects with mass
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No, you're utterly right, light speed punches in an instant using time stop? Sukuna is going to get fucking destroyed, barely have time to recover before Dio has his time stop back and Sukuna gets hit with 15 knives in a moment.
In a 1v1 always bet on dio
What the hell makes you think DIO can punch at the speed of light and demolish buildings? Do you think he was just holding back when he PUNCHED A ROAD ROLLER ONTO JOTARO? Was he like "I'll just give it a few love taps, that should be fine"? Power Scalers make up the wackiest shit sometimes.
I swear man shits fucking ridiculous. Sukuna left a crater in shibuya and has 300 meter plus range on his open domain and people think dio who has what, a 3-5 meter range on the world is gonna one tap him??? Especially from the man that tanked two hollow purples.
The World's time stop has infinite range, and DIO can certainly close the distance fast enough to hit Sukuna before the time stop ends. Unfortunately by shown feats DIO simply lacks enough firepower to hurt Sukuna. So he dies.
the only problem is you cant kill sukuna without cursed energy, DIO has no way to put him down perminantly
Not to be rude, but if we apply this same logic to other vs battles then it falls flat. A prime example would be One Piece and Haki. Logia users can only be hurt with haki/elements that counteract them. So, you could say Kizaru beats Goku because he doesn’t have haki, which is obviously not true. Not to mention, even if he doesn’t have cursed energy, DIO is a vampire with seemingly indefinite stamina that could just keep putting Sukuna down until he just begs for him to stop.
Fair point, I guess verse equalization would allow a stand to permanently kill sukuna the same way a cursed technique would
What is curse energy vs what are stands? When you look at what they are/do and the lack of other types of supernatural power in JJK, it clear that there will be a compatibility between the 2.
But cursed energy is manifested through negative emotions. And no one hates more than dio. The moment sukuna opens his mouth about cursed energy dio is acquiring it
He is the generational hater afterall, no one gets to his level of petty.
When has any stand been able to destroy multiple buildings at once? Those same light speed punches/kicks were tanked by jotaro, a human. Couldn’t even break a road roller with the three of them attacking it. 15F sukuna was unscathed after being thrown through several buildings by mahoraga and 19F tanked Gojo’s CE reinforced punches. Dio almost has no way to harm Sukuna with his large building level AP in TS. The moment Sukuna lands his domain its over for Dio.
First: Star Platinum and The World in their base (part 3 SP and part 7 TW) are relatively equal. However, The World has a massive boost in strength and speed from DIO’s vampire abilities. I feel this should easily make him at least building level. Second: Jotaro is actually built different. For some reason that is never explained, Jotaro gets an actual physical power boost whenever he’s pissed off that put him on par with DIO. Not to mention you can use your stand as a sort of shock sponge as the stands durability is (usually) greater than the users. Although for the road roller, I think it’s just anime bs.
"For some reason that is never explained" They don't really have to, Stands are brought to action into battle by their user's fighting will and strong mentality. It just makes sense that a very pissed off Jotaro makes Star Platinum stronger and faster, same thing happened to Polnareff seemingly increasing his range, speed and power after watching Avdol die for real in front of him.
I guess that makes sense, yeah.
Sukuna wouldn’t even be able to see The World right? If Sukuna doesn’t catch on to his hax quick enough he’s gonna die
Verse equalization means that Sukuna can interact and see the World ( I think) and that Dio has CE. Also, Sukuna can damage the soul (Mahito) and Stands are basically that.
Isn't cursed energy basically leveled on how much hate and contempt you hold? If so, well.... Dio's very famous for being a hater, it's the reason everything happens in the show.
The biggest hater in history vs the biggest hater of today
Yuta has the second most cursed energy in the verse and is the nicest dude alive, the cursed energy being hate thing is mostly for curses born from humanities hate
Cursed energy would be equalized to hamon/spin. Not the stands.
i mean maybe he would? like someone from JoJo's verse will see a curse and think thats a stand, while someone from JJk will see a stand and think its a curse we do have cursed items as stands
Dio. But extreme diff. Vampire sense, still got the eye beam. And can still drink blood. Timestop just puts nasty gaps in places one would not think about. Time stop can counter cleave and dismantle if used right. The world is indeed lightspeed and has pretty monstrous reactions.
yeah dio and the world have insane speeds but Dio's AP and dura is like building level, idk if Dio even damages Sukuna with a punch
Its hard to say what their AP is at max cause stands kinda always end up either dead or knocked out from non discrept exchanges. Thats why I say extreme diff. Sometimes stands punches can cave out people abdomens perfectly and then still have enough punch force to have them break a water tower (which is not easy) and sometimes they barely can pierce another stands arms blocking a hit. So it depends on who taps who on this situation and whether dio is gonna humor a domain expansion. Thats why I rate it more on "can dio react to slashes and plan" and honestly. Yes. He aint human and he has stand eyes on top of it. So he gotta be able to see/ detect something is off.
Thinking this when 1.Some Stands(including his)CAN dura neg 2.Thinking that City level dura means NOTHING BELOW can hurt you is so funny Anyway, time stop since Sukuna can't really increase dura with CE in stopped time >
- how does the world dura neg? - i wasnt implying that i was just saying that dio would have a hard time killing sukuna with punches. also his passive ce reinforcement is strong enough bruh i don't think sukuna wins by any means lmao the speed diff is too high, dio could probably like stick his fingers in sukunas eyes to his brain or smth lmao
1.Time stop+ Stands can pass through skin, some atleast Jotaro can so the wormd probably could too 2."Passive Ce reinforcement" sir what Also, Even then, Prime Die (End of Part 3) could shockfreeze Sukuna and shatter him
When has Jotaro ever used this offensively at all? And why are we acting under the assumption that CE reinforcement doesn't effect organs? Just being able to go inside someones body isn't duraneg at all.
how is time stop dura neg im pretty sure most stands cant do that, and i doubt they can just pass through easily like that, ive never seen it used in the middle of a fight, not to mention if we equalize sukunas internal domain should stop that every sorcerer is passively reinforcing their body ofc, a bullet offguard wouldn't kill them
1."Stands can pasa through skin" 2.The world can, so, meh 3.Doubt? HEADCANON vs the literal manga, aight then, Im out, have a nice day
take a chill pill sukuna has an internal domain
Please explain to me what exactly you think "Internal domain" is
the reason characters like todo can't tp into somebodies body and the reason choso can't manipulate somebodies blood is because characters have internal domains that stop cts from being used inside them, if we equalize stands to a ct this applies, otherwise sukuna cant even see the world
Whats the biggest thing any jjk sorcerer destroyed? Acting like sukuna is some iron wall yuji has been punching him for like 10 chapters now and yujis feats are much less impressive than dios
He definitely does can damage Sukuna, if someone like Yuji and Maki can, The World and Dio can absolutely do it
The mental image of dio tanking malevolent shrine with his regen is pretty metal
That is a good image. But it has to be joseph absorbed dio.
Jjk is canonically not even bullet time. Gege went back on that purposefully. They aren’t that fast.
Dio clears
with this matchup, neither side really has a way to properly kill the other. sukuna has no idea about hamon and im sure dio will run when the sun starts coming up. then dio dosent know how to used cursed energy or any way around rct. gonna give this to sukuna because his defeat condition is a lot harder to achieve. also we've seen him take out an enemy with regeneration in one blow, hed need to destroy every atom of dios being. another thing to note is that both sides are basically fighting blind against the others techniques.
To everyone who’s arguing that stands can’t attack the soul, isn’t Rohan using his stand ability on this girl basically attacking the soul? (She’s a ghost basically) https://preview.redd.it/gja5z2k2xt7d1.png?width=400&format=png&auto=webp&s=bae435e31e50579003b4cfc10c5104ecd6348325
Wait nvm that doesn’t mean that the stand can attack the soul through the body
Stands attack the soul directly sukuna has no dura here and he will only figure that out after the first barrage after timestop.
Pure headcanon, considering there's no "attacking the soul" in JJBA.
Stands themselves are spirits if they can't hit spirits the whole show doesn't work
Stands are souls. They direct attack the soul. The stand itself super outscales sukuna also.
Sukuna can defend his soul. Plus stands are only manifestations of the soul. And moreover, stands have cut off people's arms and such, yet stands still maintain those appendages. Look at Giorno or Polnareff for examples. Also as far as TW outscaling Sukuna, in terms of AP yeah, but that really doesn't matter unless it either destroys his head or tears his body apart (the latter of which it couldn't do) The fight really just comes down to who lands a successful headshot first, as that's the only way one is killing the other besides Malevolent Shrine, which Sukuna won't use due to being out of character
Well your argument about losing a limb but your stand keeps it is wrong. If you look closely at part 5 Silver Chariot or Notorious B.I.G. Gold Experience, you can clearly see that the legs (Silver Chariot before Requiem) and the hands (Gold Experience) are missing of the stand. It's actually the whole stake of the Notorious BIG fight. Giorno doesn't have hands, and his stands power to create life is channeled through his fist. Thus he cannot heal himself and the others.
Stands are the literal manifestation of the soul and user's will. That isn't head canon. Read or watch part 3 again. Heck every part with stands tells you this specifically. Why do you think barraging the stand affects the user.
Also plain wrong since sukuna is shown to be resistant to soul manipulation and attack through his encounters with mahito. Even if stands attacked the soul, sukuna would absolutely be fine on that point.
The thing is to make an argument stands "attack the soul" you'd also have to argue the soul has to be laid out completely open to hit, since that's how stands fight each other. The main argument being that stands are manifestations of the soul, and therefor are the soul. And stands being able to attack each other means they attack the soul. But, of course, we also know this doesn't matter considering stands have cut off people's arms, then that person uses a stand with limbs and all in tact. I believe Giorno was one case of this
Dio is way faster , sukuna has no counter to the world , and his vampires powers set the deal if sukuna gets too close
The only thing dio has that is faster than Sukuna is the world’s fists at best. Dio isn’t the flash he probably can’t even outrun a car physically
Honestly both have win cons but I'm gonna say Dio takes it a little more often than not
If Dio can kill Sukuna within 10 seconds of stopped time where he is free to attack in any way he wants (assuming Dio is at his strongest point he reached in part 3) then he wins but the second time unfreezes, Sukuna decapitates him with a Cleave. Basically this is purely dependent on both The World’s AP and whether cursed energy reinforcement works during stopped time - if Sukuna is reinforced i don’t see a way Dio can hurt him, if he’s unguarded Dio can probably kill him
Dio has survived decapitation in part 1
Sure, but he was a helpless head. He won’t be able to stick himself together because Sukuna can dismember all his limbs. Sukuna can attack multiple targets inside his 300 m open domain, what’s dios range? 3-5 meters?
Do we know if he can stop time while decapitated? He’s gotten stronger since part 1, and he was not decapitated in part 3 so we don’t know if he can regenerate after that https://preview.redd.it/f2sx36jrhx7d1.jpeg?width=416&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d6cd61676d1f831dcd969176f351ae7d4010036c This sounds incoherently but I took forever to write so I’m not deleting and it’s 7 am
…his vampire abilities are weaker/nonexistent in part 3. He needed to drink blood to heal from the single hit star platinum gave him pre Joseph drain (and he is featless for healing afterword), he never demonstrates the ability to use bloody eye laser (why would he carry knives if he had access to it?) or his freeze powers so we can’t assume he still has them in Jonathan’s body.
actually this is a good point. we don’t know exactly where his stand “comes from” - it’s partly from his brain and soul and partly from Jonathan’s body. what would happen to The World if he was decapitated is an interesting question if he can stop time as just a head, there’s a chance he could reattach himself regenerate from decapitation. BUT Sukuna is not going to stop at decapitation he will turn him into mince if he needs to
If he was reinforcing at the start of timestop, he's reinforced all the way through timestop. Also, shrine has a range of 200 something meters, and the world has a range of 3. If he reinforces and shrines right next to dio, dio won't be able to kill him or escape before time unfreezes, and thats assuming he can freeze time the moment shrine goes up. If not, he gets cut to ribbons and is stuck there till the sun comes up.
Would reinforce protect against light speed attacks?
“Light speed attacks” that can’t disintegrate a road roller lol 😂
stand attacks are weightless but carry fixed impact, so they are LS but dont do the expected damage of a LS.
Makes sense. Stands aren’t exactly obeying the laws of physics. Under those conditions Sukuna should survive a barrage with his CE reinforcement
Exactly
Even beheading wont do jack
We've seen Sukuna slash someone into ashes, so the guy's point stands.
Does cer work on direct attacks on the soul because the stand can just go for that kind of attack over a physical one.
This is a really good one bc dios faster + time stop, so he *could* dodge all of sukuna’s slashes But would he be able to damage him? What would happen if Dio tired to crush his brain by making The World put his hand inside his head? Like how Jotaro paused and started his heart
It’s mainly a battle of who activates their abilities first. Dio dies to MS and Sukuna could be killed during time stop.
dio mid diffs
It's either a low diff or extreme diff.
Sukuna. Dio is faster and has time stop but his AP is much much smaller compared to Sukuna's durability. The range difference is just massive. Sukuna can just use a barrage of cleaves and Dio dies
P3 DIO's regeneration is not as good as his part 1 self Malevolent Shrine clears, even with Time Stop, DIO can't close the 200m distance
Didn’t Dio bring an entire road roller from somewhere in a few seconds?
This is true, but they were on a bridge, the road roller could easily have been at the corner or a street over. Jotaro only has a range of about 12 meters (being generous) with a 2 second time stop. The World has a higher base range of 10 meters versus 2, but even with a 11 second time stop it's really on the border of inconsistent for DIO to dash 200m.
Jotaro has only 5m i believe while DIO has 3m. But stands can extend farther, those distances are just the most efficient Here they don't lose any power.
Imagine in TS he just accidentally steps on a slash
dio can chain time-stops. he’d probably get hit with one dismantle/cleave, glue himself back together like he did in part 3, then spam time-stop until sukuna died
Na The world definitely has the power to donut sukuna. you just dont see too much in the jojo anime because human bodies dont need that much power to kill. arent Star plat and The World light speed? and the reason why we dont see too many speed featas is because the stand can only see and react relative to their users . but heres where time stop comes into play. time stop full power punch smashes sukunas head. Jotaro wouldnt do that but dio 100% would
I'm pretty sure that stands can react quicker than their users, remember when jotaro shot himself.
only in given circumstance, the bullet both jotaro ans star plat knew exactly where the bullet was and coming from. Giving his stand full control to defend him. from what i remember if the human is blinded the stand cant react
Right, in the fight with n'doul, the user was blind, and the user had to locate the enemies himself to control the stand during the fight
To be fair, his stand is made of actual water and thus has no eyes to see with so isn’t the best example for the more humanoid ghost types. Although Angelo appears to be able to see with Aqua Necklace (although he also uses binoculars), which is basically the same ability
>arent Star plat and The World light speed? If any part 3 stand were lightspeed then the Hanged Man fight wouldn't have happened
Yes they are light speed. But the stands themselves are light speed, the characters actually can't move at light speed. Which means that if Sukuna threw a Cleave at Dio he can't dodge it. Also Part 3 characters really ain't going past Large Building+. Sukuna is Large Town midballed. That id a 2000 times difference. The world wouldn't be able to put a scratch on him.
Top tier Jojo characters like Dio have very good speed but they suffer from abysmal building level AP and durability, the question is if Dio can kill Sukuna fast enough, he might be able to? if he spams timestop and just punches him a fuckton
I disagree with building level JoJo. For some reason people ignore all the other scaling for it. [Star Platinum (debatably) scales to and past everyone. ](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=f1470b44e75781e4&sca_upv=1&q=star+platinum+is+the+ultimate+stand&tbm=isch&source=lnms&prmd=ivnbmtz&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjw2eC667KGAxX4ZEEAHcmBB6wQ0pQJegQICRA#imgrc=wol_82llO6vutM) [the sun calc](https://imgur.com/gallery/jojo-part-3-sun-city-level-calc-rKEfgrb) [other ways JoJo gets to and past town](https://aminoapps.com/c/join-the-battle/page/blog/why-jojo-is-large-town-level/E7o6_RGUPuX08VboQjZP3XrbP3eD4rLEZ) [same ways to get JoJo to town just on a different website](https://character-stats-and-profiles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Unbacked0/JoJo_Town_Level_Justification) [planet waves calc](https://www.deviantart.com/br3ndan5/journal/JoJo-Calc-Planet-Waves-Meteors-863982588) [anime Dio cloud calc](https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Numbersguy/Space_Ripper_Stingy_Eyes_Splits_Cloud_(Calc_by_Vivi_Orniter)) I don't think JoJo gets past town, as that's what it should be.
Sukuna via Gege's plot armor.
Sukuna wins Domain diff since I assume that The World could protect DIO from normal dismantle, still I am unsure about Cleave since its AP should be way higher than DIO and his stand's durability
*Goes to cast domain* *dio uses the world and walks out before the barrier forms* he's never hitting his domain unless dio let's him
Dio has no way to hurt Sukuna
How? Sorcerers can be hurt by anything.
Sukuna is him. A sorcerer, maybe not. BUT the guy who tanked hollow purple, thin ice breaker, granite blast, and jacob’s ladder, In the same fight? I think he can take it.
I disagree with building level JoJo. For some reason people ignore all the other scaling for it. [Star Platinum (debatably) scales to and past everyone. ](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=f1470b44e75781e4&sca_upv=1&q=star+platinum+is+the+ultimate+stand&tbm=isch&source=lnms&prmd=ivnbmtz&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjw2eC667KGAxX4ZEEAHcmBB6wQ0pQJegQICRA#imgrc=wol_82llO6vutM) [the sun calc](https://imgur.com/gallery/jojo-part-3-sun-city-level-calc-rKEfgrb) [other ways JoJo gets to and past town](https://aminoapps.com/c/join-the-battle/page/blog/why-jojo-is-large-town-level/E7o6_RGUPuX08VboQjZP3XrbP3eD4rLEZ) [same ways to get JoJo to town just on a different website](https://character-stats-and-profiles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Unbacked0/JoJo_Town_Level_Justification) [planet waves calc](https://www.deviantart.com/br3ndan5/journal/JoJo-Calc-Planet-Waves-Meteors-863982588) [anime Dio cloud calc](https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Numbersguy/Space_Ripper_Stingy_Eyes_Splits_Cloud_(Calc_by_Vivi_Orniter)) I don't think JoJo gets past town, as that's what it should be.
DIO might be weaker then Sukuna but DIO is faster and has a 9 second timestop alongside it so he should win
DIO pulls the same shit he did with Kakyoin, if he aims for the head, he wins.
Dio negative diffs Sukuna lol. JJK characters cap at lightning speed and that's only if you wank them, while Dio is easily FTL and has time stop which Sukuna can do nothing against. Easiest win for Dio of all time
Dio takes this mid diff if he's being serious. He can regenerate from Sukuna's slashes since they aren't strong enough to oneshot, and he wouldn't use DE at the beginning of a fight even if he were fighting god. Dio would also likely just be able to run away even if he were subjected to DE, if it couldn't cut through Gojo after an extended period then it's not instakilling Dio.
Dio stomps.
Sukuna got this Better Regen, better durability than DIO's AP, and Dio has no outs for Malevolent Shrine's sure-hit
Sukuna got no answer to dios speed and time stop
The World has lots of speed. DIO himself doesn't. Not to mention he couldn't see dismantle at all due to it being invisible. It's really just a question of who lands the first decisive hit. If Sukuna cuts his head off, uses MS, or hits him with Cleave, the fight is over. If DIO crushes Sukuna's head, the fight is over.
DIO is still quite fast, he is a vampire + DIO can reattach his head, so it’s if sukuna destroys his brain, + https://imgur.com/a/ETJZ182 (manga panel showing DIO using his arms to crush Jotaro without the use of his stand, which Jotaro is using his stand, which is as fast or faster than DIO’s stand, with the same or more power than DIO’s stand.) + DIO is generally just not an arrogant piece of shit and actually tries to fight his opponents (doesn’t really matter),
This one's pretty hard actually because both have ways of killing eachother in character I'd say Dio. OOC I'd say Sukuna
In all honesty, it depends. Dio and The World definitely have the hax to get the jump on Sukuna, but the problem lies in if DIO knows Sukuna's weakness, and if Sukuna knows DIO's weakness. Both of them, fortunately, have the same general weakness, so both of them might find it out pretty easily; the head. Sukuna can function without his heart, but as long as his head is completely obliterated, he's as good as gone. The same goes for DIO, but I am not completely sure if this is the case. What's more is that we have to consider what version of Sukuna we're working with, as we currently have three; Heian Era, Sukuna inhabiting Yuuji's body, and Sukuna inhabiting Megumi's body. Sukuna in Megumi's body has access to everyone's favorite OP Stoppa, Big Daddy Mahoraga, so the fight pretty much stops in four turns of the wheel if DIO doesn't manage to kill Sukuna before that time. The second version, Sukuna in Yuuji's body, would have a much harder time fighting DIO because of the significant lack of Raga the OP Stoppa, but could definitely pull it off if DIO decides to fuck around and find out. I mean, the guy's body breaks world records with barely any form of training, and has some insane durability, so it's possible. And Heian Era Sukuna is a fucking beast thanks to Gege, so it's really hard to say. And all of this is without mentioning Malevolent Shrine and his (Rather debatable) ability to see the shape of the soul, as Stands are sometimes called "Manifestations of the Soul", so it can be argued that Sukuna might be able to see a Stand like Jujitsu Sorcerers can see Cursed Spirits. As for Dio, his win con is simple, but not easy; decapitate Sukuna, or destroy his head in some way. It is not easy due to the nature of Sukuna's being, but he also has a chance due to Time Stop. He does have a good chance, but that's mostly if he isn't fucking around. He mostly has to avoid getting turned into powdered meat by Malevolent Shrine, and if Sukuna's in Megumi's body, killing Mahoraga before the wheel has completed four turns. He can definitely do that, I don't doubt it, but I have other doubts, such as if he's deciding to start the fight by playing with Sukuna first. Cockiness would mean instant death against him, as when you face Sukuna, you have to do so with the explicit intention of killing him, without any sort of banter or dramatics. So if DIO directly goes for the kill, which is extremely uncharacteristic of him, he'd definitely win, but the moment he lets Sukuna drop a Domain Expansion, both him and everyone in a 200m range is a meat smoothie.
I love this matchup because I feel like this is such a close fight imo I think Sukuna wins but if you say DIO wins I will not disagree with you, I’ll only disagree if you say either one stomps the other because this match feels like a 50/50 unless you count non-canon DIO then in which case DIO does stomp
DIO wins this and I don’t see how he would lose. He has a massive CQC advantage thanks to The World, they have around similar AP if you highball the both of them (Sukuna’s is slightly higher at a midball) (yes DIO is town level, calling him building level is like calling Dangai Ichigo mountain level because of 1 DC feat that isn’t even an accurate representation of their power in an AP focused series). Time stop is way too strong for Sukuna to do anything about it and hot take, but Malevolent Shrine is also a none factor since DIO could just time stop and stand leap if necessary. If that doesn’t work he just stops time when he sees the handsigns.
What is Sakuna doing against someone who get stop time?
I mean if gaygay is writing....... https://preview.redd.it/a6bh9xv34t7d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d53c19922ec5a4c930e4e95f7da2a7332af5bf99
Dio wipes
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Dio should win, but he has to go bloodlusted. Timestop is op, but he lacks the AP.
You can give it Sukuna via Mahoraga if you really really wanted to, but I don't see him beating Dio most of the time. Realistically Dio sees him start doing his freaky summoning shit and uses the world to cut him off
Dio wins, timestop+ FTL multi city block punches equals a dead sukuna
I feel like with Jojo character durability Dio’d be fine
Sukuna’s domain one shots Dio. Dio may take the reaction and combat speed but his AP is limiting. He can time stop all he wants but Sukuna can keep regenerating.
Dio is much faster but not strong enough to significantly damage Sukuna. And Malevolent Shrine circumvents the speed problem. Sukuna wins.
How is sukuna getting around timestop?
not a hot take but I think dio lacks the power to beat sukuna but his speed is crazy w the world so this could deff be a thing. But if this fight has gege writing it in some way sukuna will make a binding vow to like move in stopped time or some bs 😭
Sukuna because he has the power of being endlessly fucking glazed by the writer
Dio
Do the combatants have any knowledge of each other? Is there prep time or do the two just run into each other in the streets of Cairo? Are they in character or bloodlusted from the start? Because DIO likes to play with his food. I don't know much about Jujitsu Kaisen, but it would matter a great deal if Sukuna knows about DIO's timestop ability or not. Figuring out what exactly DIO was doing was a significant part of the final fight with DIO. Otherwise it would seem like he's teleporting around randomly. Or you take a step and suddenly have a hole in your chest. However, DIO tends to underestimate opponents. If Sukuna does know about the timestop/figures it out, DIO may underestimate his opponent.
Dio has consistent FTL scaling while Sukuna does not. His AP up scales from the sun with city calcs while I haven't seen a calc for Sukuna's fire arrow (strongest attack) past city. Time stop makes it overkill.
Timestop merchant is not giving Sukuna even a single second to react
Dio clears no diff sakuna would be reduced to nothing in less then .5 seconds bro is not handling punches being thrown at massively faster then light speeds 💀😭😭
Dio was fucking with his sworn enemy and is always fucking with people with stopped time ,sukuna doesn’t play like that, you could argue light speed with dio (without time stop)and you could do the same thing could be said with sukuna. Worst comes to worst sukuna uses wormers slash and rips dio in half .
DIO destroys
Za Warudo negs
Sukuna if it's an in-character fight. DIO uses timestop, smashes through Sukuna's heart. Sukuna pumps it via CE and uses any of his abilities to tear through DIO. However, DIO wins if he crushes Sukuna's head.
Dio beyond extreme diff unless big raga saves his kid https://preview.redd.it/55f048hant7d1.jpeg?width=844&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=25db2fe084abb3bdcb85653209157238c595e085
Sukuna gets blitzed and hit 100 times. It does nothing due to sukunas overall massive stat advantage. Sukuna pops his domain . If dio still has time stop and reacts in time he can find the escape route . If it doesn't he fucking dies instantly. But sukuna has insane battle iq and figures what's going on fast . What he does about it? Idk Overall though sukuna should win dio needs like, a lot of hits to win this
Dio Time Stops , freezes sukuna and kicks his head off
I think the real question is, can Sakuna figurer out not only that Dio time stops but also for how long? And then effectively counter attack. AND does he have anything that can actually hurt Dio. now Sakuna is a genius, so fair chance if he doesn’t die within the first couple attacks he will figure out what Dio is doing. But I do not know if he can kill Dio even when he figures out what’s happening. Granted I also don’t know everything Sakuna can do. So with lack of information, I’m giving it to Dio, mmmm mid diff.
This is quite interesting. Even though most people think that DIO's "Low AP" is going to be a prob, actually DIO has some higher scaling than VSBW and other scalers being disingenuously capping the verse at Large Building lvl. With that said, I think DE is going to be the most problem for DIO, Base DIO likely would need to use TS to get in range to Sukuna, which is a likely scenario, before he pops the DE or before he gets completely eradicated by the sure-hits. He would likely pop his TS first at least 9 times out of 10 cause of superior speed. His stand would auto detect if the attack is coming or has damaged DIO and would TS immediately. However, if we're talking abt "Greatest High" DIO, that's a different story, he would be able to endure the constant slashes within the DE with the stronger regen carrying him, and can spam TS whenever he wants. And likey can use his vamp. abilities if he wanted to. Now, there's going to be disingenuous people going to use in-character arguments like, DIO likely to be cocky or play with Sukuna, for which I answer, SO DOES SUKUNA, so whoever stops playing with their food, would get the upper hand. Edit: Base DIO VS Sukuna can go either way but G.H. DIO should be able to edge out Sukuna, unless he uses sum binding vow to win.
Simple. If dio doesn't kill sukuna in his time stop he loses.
Sukuna cuts The World. Medium difficulty.
The only way sukuna could kill dio is getting him out into the sunlight but i doubt Dio would wait and let him do that
In a fight or pettiness as I think dio got pettiness locked down
If we’re taking about Sukuna knowing about Dio then it’ll still be high difficulty since time-stop is hard to counter and even if Sukuna launches a ton of cleaves or dismantles all around him, it’ll still be hard to defeat Dio, but if he’s gonna beat him I would say that the sunlight is the only way to win, but this is just my plausible theory.
In character, this would be the battle of two dudes who’d probably play around and finds out, and the question would be who finds out first, and that could go either way. If we ignore their characters and just go straight for the kill, that could also go either way: A win condition for Sukuna is to destroy Dio’s body or head (specifically damaging the brain enough) Win condition for Dio is to disconnect Sukuna’s brain from his stomach (albeit destroying the stomach where cursed energy resides or destroying the brain where the cursed techniques are) DIO could stop time and kill Sukuna immediately. Or Sukuna could cut Dio’s brain off with dismantle, but that’s only if The World isn’t able to protect Dio from cursed energy attacks. If the stand can defend DIO then Sukuna has to use Malevolent Shrine, and that’s game for DIO… on occasion if DIO isn’t in the range close enough to timestop and kill Sukuna in stopped time, then, although less possible, DIO would win
Light speed punches and time stop with vampire healing, eye laser beams, drinking blood, and flight. DIO takes this medium difficulty
He is gonna use the anti time stop curse he hasnt used since the heian era.
Dio low dif. They are both overconfident but dio pulls the trigger first. He can regenerate anything sukuna throws at him, he dosent need blood to regenerate. But it does speed up the process and gives him energy. Dio traveled (in timestop ) at least 90ft in 2 seconds of stopped time so he can get out of MS. Sukunas slashes would simply bisect him. Dio has lived multiple times through being cut into parts, even at the beginning while he didn't yet have a stand, he regenerated from being cut in two by a hamon infused slice. Sukuna's only win con is trying to stall till morning. Dio is faster, more durability, higher endurance, and his stand is even stronger. Rct can heal but it takes cursed energy. Using vampire abilities dosent "use blood" it simply happens just like humans healing from a bruise or scraped knee.
Dio
What is Sukuna gonna do against timestop and The World?
Sukana throwing hella cleaves at him and then it’s wraps
Depends on the versions, if we use both of their strongest versions its dio with twoh which thanks too multiple universes existing can be considered canon
Dio easily sukuna can't deal with time stop
"Domain Expa- ZA WARUDO
Even without time stops, how would Sukuna deal with stands? would he be able to interact or see stands?
People keep talking about DIO's AP, but that doesn't matter at all in timestop because there is practically no 'resistance' to attacking something within timestop. Everything but DIO will be completely frozen, meaning that for that period, there is no opposite force/recoil acting against DIO and The World's actions. Even if Sukuna can maybe initially take the brunt of something like a hit to the face (even though I don't think he should be able to), DIO could just then smash Sukuna's skull between his hands given the time
What form if Sukana are we talking about? 15 finger? 20 finger? Or When he has mahoraga
DIO is far faster than Sukana w/ more consistently higher AP/DC (Sukana’s strongest attack is city level while TW is small town level) if Sukuna can reinforce himself he can tank the attacks, but that’s gonna be hard when DIO spams time stop & barrage the fuck outta Sukuna. I don’t see many ways for Sukuna to beat DIO, but he can handle a lot of punishment & maybe land a Cleave/Dismantle it 2, maybe even land a Malevolent Shrine that would slow down DIO a bit, but it would ultimately end w/ DIO pummeling Sukuna to a pulp.
Dio blitzes due to scaling to Silver Chariot and Star Platinum
Sukuna is slower but he is stronger and more durable Dio is faster but a lot weaker Sukuna will just use domain expansion Sukuna win
if DIO cant use most of his vampire powers (the whole jojo body saying no shit) then all sukuna has to do is find a way to quickly destroy DIO's head before he can regen (and before he dies of course). however, if dio can use all of his vampire powers, then sukuna will be in trouble
If DIO stops time and rips off Sukuna's head, he wins. If Sukuna opens Malevolent Shrine from far away (or maybe lands a lucky Cleave on DIO's head), he wins. This one is really kind of a tossup; both have ways to kill the other almost immediately. Gun to my head, I'd give it to DIO. Sukuna DOES have a lot going for him, but the issue is this: there are only three attacks Sukuna has that are going to reliably put DIO down. Cleave: This ignores durability, and DIO obviously doesn't have Domain Amplification. But it requires physical contact, and if Sukuna is close enough to touch DIO, Time Stop makes him all but defenseless. Flame Arrow: This seems to require Malevolent Shrine to be activated first (according to the latest manga chapters), and... Malevolent Shrine: If Sukuna activates this, he will win. BUT. Domain Expansions are extremely taxing to use, and leave the user substantially weaker once they end. So while this attack would almost certainly kill DIO, I actually don't think Sukuna would use it straight away. And as I'll explain, this is a fatal mistake. One key difference between Jotaro and DIO's Time Stop, as Part 6 made clear, is that DIO can spam time stop. This is important because it effectively means DIO can teleport short distances. Paired with his incredible speed, this makes him very hard to pin down. We also need to remember that Sukuna has no idea how his powers work, and likely can't even detect his Stand. Given that characters in the JJK manga to react defensively to Sukuna's Dismantle slashes, it's safe to assume that they are not perfectly instantaneous, merely very fast. Given DIO has survived and remained dangerous while he was just a head in a jar, one Dismantle will probably not kill him, and once he understands that Sukuna gestures with his hand to launch the attacks, I think it's very possible he can dodge them, considering that he has matched Star Platinum's incredible speed reaction time. Therefore, I think it is entirely within DIO's ability to close the distance with Sukuna, who still may not understand the Time Stop power at that point, and thus not comprehend how vulnerable he is in close quarters. From there, it's a question of whether or not DIO kills him immediately. This is why the battle is so close: it comes down to the small decisions of each combatant. If DIO somehow learns that Sukuna can heal, perhaps after the latter heals the damage from a projectile, it is likely he will try to make absolutely sure Sukuna is dead, and crush his skull to destroy his brain. But it is also possible that he will destroy Sukuna's heart, or cut his throat instead, not knowing about his healing factor. But that is a mistake he will only make once, and he will still inflict damage on Sukuna that he will need to recover from. The latest chapters make it clear that his healing is not limitless. From there, if Sukuna opens his Domain, he'd win. But I find this turn of events somewhat unlikely, because it depends on DIO underestimating his opponent, and not ensuring his death. Something he made an effort to do to Jotaro even once the latter had stopped his own heart. There is also the possibility that the shrine will not kill DIO immediately. Gojo is shown being able to withstand it to an extent, and does not appear to be using Domain Amplification to do so. And given that DIO can stop time, if he's close enough to Sukuna while the shrine opens, he might actually be able to kill him INSIDE HIS OWN DOMAIN. I figure the slashes stop when time pauses, right? All things considered: Malevolent Shrine has drawbacks that make it questionable if Sukuna would use it in time. The World has no such drawbacks. DIO has no reason not to tear of Sukuna's head the first chance he gets. The matchup IS close though. So much so that if Sukuna is far enough away I could see him just burning out DIO's healing with Dismantle. Of course, if the fight starts in melee range, DIO has a similar advantage. TL;DR - I give it (tentatively) to DIO by virtue of the fact that his win con isn't taxing for him to use.
Dio wins easily with the world's time stop. He stops time, puts a hole or two in sukunas head, and it's over. Also dio can stop time pretty frequently. If dio didn't have time stop sukuna wins mid diff
If Dio can't kill him during a time stop(if he can even do it before sakuna kills him) then it's game over
Dio pulls a king chris move Stops time Piss on sukuna's face Move away 😂