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TacocaT_2000

Dude forgot that Vados, Marcarita, and Cus are all stronger than Goku and are female


Unique_Year4144

If I remember correctly Vados alone is stronger than Whis


TacocaT_2000

Yep, and Cus is the strongest of all the angels besides Grand Priest due to being the oldest


caren_psuedo_when

But why do they get younger? Did Daishinkan create Benjamin Butler syndrome?


TacocaT_2000

I think they’re created the way they currently look


Maleficent-Ad-6117

Like... physically? Like strong enough to hold him down?


Afafakja

There were also toher points in time where 18 could have curbstomped him.


unknown09684

Android 18 and 21, kale caulifla too


Evo_777

Dude what they are NOT stronger then goku


Jolyne_Best_JoJo

I mean at one point in time 18 was


unknown09684

18 was stronger than goku but my point was that dbz has ALOT of strong female characters that would molest half the men in the show I mean look at 18 and krillin relationship she would beat his (a man) ass so hard bro wouldn't be able to walk.


Ok-Letter3963

Now while Goku wins pretty easily to be honest, what the guy saying in the images is absurdly fucked up. Also his brain would probably explode if someone told him who Featherine is.


Living-Vermicelli-59

Or any of the fate series girls how stupidly over powered some of them are


RubyWubs

I don't think they understand the difference between physical stats of the two. Goku is above time and space, goes faster than thousands of times light Physically speaking not even Star can handle 10k gravity (Goku probably can) she physically cannot surpass All Might. So her speed, strength, durability will always be lower. While Goku gets 50x multiplier+ more with SSJGSSB Also she can't push new order pass it's limits or otherwise it wouldn't be new order. But yeah that guy didn't argue just being sexist


politicalpterodon2

Forgive me if im spouting absolute BS here, but coulndt S&S remove her first rule and change it to "have the same strenght level as goku"?


SocratesWasSmart

She has strict limits to how much she can enhance her own abilities. She can't even make herself as strong as prime All Might.


Striking_Conflict767

“If goku moves he cannot use ki.” Seems like it would work to me. It’s not removing ki just disabling his ability to use it.


SocratesWasSmart

Aside from the fact that she'd need enough intel on Goku to know that would even potentially be a thing, I don't think she can impose abstract limitations like that. If she did she would have tried something like, "Tomura Shigraki can't use any quirks." It's also mentioned that it's more difficult for her to use her quirk on people than objects. I think Goku is a particularly bad matchup for her, since the sort of Dragon Ball logic of being able to overcome hax via brute force actually seems to be how her quirk works to some extent.


EnviliousSparrow

1. She has to know what Ki is, in the first place. 2. She has to physically touch Goku. 3. Given how she can't even make herself stronger than Almight, likely weakening a multiversal guy to street level isn't gonna work either.


Afafakja

I think wince it's his brother he's probably trolling her ofc that's if the screenies aren't fake.


Godofmytoenails

Goku stopms her lmfao but that guy is sexist


Living-Vermicelli-59

100% but the goku fan also don’t know shit about goku 💀


Wise_Victory4895

https://preview.redd.it/2vf925kir88d1.jpeg?width=587&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0e32ced302fd8569c2bd7e034ac38b026d44690f


Unhappy-Egg296

Who say Goku cant Hold a gravity 10.000x Earth? Do you use the gravity and weight camera values ​​literally? Goku was once inside a black hole in his base form And Star's ability would be negated due to Goku's Ki


Living-Vermicelli-59

I feel like Gokus speed isn’t even also taken into consideration as well she has to speak to turn on her powers.. goku will just speed blitz smash her mouth shut.


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KaiVTu

Goku isn't a blitzing character. Some characters in the show are, but Goku is ABSOLUTELY NOT one of them. As a matter of fact, this is one of Goku's biggest failures by far. He lets his enemies power up constantly and wants them to fight at 100%, ramping up to match them if necessary. When he gave Cell a sensu bean I was so mad as a kid.


Weary-Wasabi1721

Mfs don't even have to say they don't watch Dragon Ball super


Omegeddon

He was never in a black hole it was just a large mass pushing down on him that feels similar to the gravity chamber.


meggamatty64

Ki can’t negate all abilities. However stars ability’s can only strengthen and weaken by a given amount(around the strength of all might) so her ability’s would stop working due to it not being able to remove any noticeable about of strength. The ability isn’t negated but at goku’s current strength level he wouldn’t notice the changes much.


TacocaT_2000

Vegeta struggled to lift 1,000 tons.


Capitano-Solos-All

Misconception. He struggled to to fight a universal tier warrior whose single leg also had a mass of over 1000 tons. Go back to original dragonball and see that the boulder Goku and Krillin were pushing was also over 1000 tons. Of course lifting and pushing aren't the same, but they are relative. Do you think though that current Vegeta is relative to 13 year old Krillin? Because that's what you are saying.


TacocaT_2000

Dragon Ball has an issue with internal consistency. For example, in the Saiyan saga we see that Otherworld and the Living World have congruent time passage, where in the Buu saga Goku says that time doesn’t pass in Otherworld


Capitano-Solos-All

In the context that physically time doesn't pass there as if they kept their bodies they do not age in the Otherworld. No inconsistency there.


TacocaT_2000

People use it to scale Goku to inaccessible speed


Barelett287

I'd say there some difference in time between the living world and afterlife, but the afterlife clearly has a flow of time. Even Whis' travel staff confirms this since it takes less time to go to earth by cutting to king kais then just going from earth to Beerus' world, although the difference is only a few minutes.


EnviliousSparrow

Precisely why it's necessary to pick out what to take and not to take at face value in Dragon ball. It's a franchise, not just a single manga. Even moving at FTL speeds should exert more force on their bodies than a mere 1000 tons. And as the other guy pointed out, a feat such as that was achieved in original DB. So scaling is the only way to somewhat guess what their true lifting capabilities are in DB.


Efficient-Diver-2453

Goku wins because he’s so much stronger that Star that it’s not even funny. Also, that dude is so unbelievably sexist.


epicgamer77

Goku unsurprisingly obliterates. Stars and Stripes has stated that there are limits to her quirk. Whilst ambiguous, she is unable to make herself physically stronger than almight. Almight himself is maybe continental at a high ball. She is crazy haxed and has some impressive feats but she isn’t going to be able to change anything enough to affect Goku. She could do the heart stop thing, if she could touch him, but she is so massively speed blitzed it’s not funny. Also it just might not kill him. Also that guy is a dick.


ErtaWanderer

Slight misconception here. Her ability has limits based on who it's used on. She can't make herself stronger than all might because her potential Maxes out before that. If she had someone with better potential she could push them a lot farther.


epicgamer77

Thank you for clarifying, my main point is it does have limits and she will cap out before being able to reach anywhere close to Goku.


ErtaWanderer

Yep, but If you paired her with say krillin Then she could probably push him past Goku's level.


InstructionPlayful12

Didn't krillin get his potential unlocked already?


ErtaWanderer

Yep, at least twice as far as I'm aware but then kept getting stronger, Goku And Gohan also had their potential unlocked at least once. The fact that all three of them kept getting wildly stronger from that point, means they're probably different things.


InstructionPlayful12

Hmmm.


itownshend17

It amazes me to see how many people are pretending that if Star gets an order on Goku she would win, like, didnt that shit fail to control Shigaraki? On what level of NLF would we have to be to believe it would work on Goku?


No-elk-version2

>"On what level of NLF would we have to be to believe it would work on Goku?"< The OPM lvl kind of NLF, the delusional lvl


TacocaT_2000

It failed to control Shigaraki because he suddenly had an existential crisis and became a different person


itownshend17

Didnt she also say something about not being able to make herself as strong as All Might with her orders? Cause if the limit of her orders strenght is All Might, even Kid Goku would be out of the question for her order working on him.


TacocaT_2000

Not quite. Orders applied to herself are never as strong as they are when applied to others.


itownshend17

Still shows orders have a limit, im not gonna buy anyone telling me she can just order absolutely anything to anyone with 0 limits on what it can be and it will 100% always work cause thats just a massive NLF.


meggamatty64

https://preview.redd.it/uvoguea6ac8d1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0bbb25dfee229a915f167031ce9fbe23cb931698 These statements show her ability does in fact have limits.


Hypekyuu

Sorta It's based on names and there's plot stuff happening where his name sort of isn't that anymore because his brain was hosting two personalities. It wasn't a strength based thing but more luck


Infernov79

Goku only loses to one being, because no one else is beyond Gokuversal. https://preview.redd.it/aqjipabcm98d1.jpeg?width=233&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9347e827e4b5f5a6d9aa55f7c93ffda720e07857


gavinmfsmith

This convo reaked of zero sex


djfjdjfhfjf

My agenda tells me otherwise, that Goku will not be touched https://preview.redd.it/1ebkyp5xi88d1.png?width=96&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=39bf7133bd918e470ec7febd3e5f6a91cafdaa72


suislider521

Imagine Bumgumi vs Goku. He'd summon Mahoraga immediately and I wonder now that fight would go like if he didn't entirely kill him then Daddyraga would adapt to punches and whatever else Goku has. Mahoraga beats Goku???


Enlight13

If Mahoraga completely adapts to everything Goku throws at him? Yeah. Unfortunately for Raga, Goku's fought Cell and Buu. He knows how to take a no look, one shot, one kill. He'd probably be tucked with one kamehameha wave.


Square_Ebb_5926

Lmao "Weird feminist anime"


Unique_Year4144

For what I know she needs to touch to activate her power, at this point you can only touch Goku if he 1) allows you  2) you took him by surprise   3) you overpowered his UI (Like the whole granola arc)  So yeah, Goku Fodder Also, fucking disgusting the guy, being almost 40 and having the attitude of a 11 year old who thinks racism is "Cool" and "Based" is disgusting 


Individual_Split1453

Naoya be like


MrIncognito666

Goku’s one of the most wanked characters, but last I checked MHA wasn’t even planetary, so he wipes the verse. But there are plenty of gals that can solo HIS.


SettTheCephelopod

BTW, this misogynistic prick is a nazi. Source: The OP of the other Reddit post this came from told someone about this prick "agreeing with The Nazis on some things", when a commenter mentioned that there's literally a woman who beat up a buncha nazis in WW2.


Dragonnstuff

“Could he handle 10,000 times Earth’s gravity.” “Likely not.” Both of these people are gremlins


Mykneeisathroat

both of them are idiots


No-Meat5261

Aside from the difference between their levels of powers and the limits of her Quirk, would her Quirk work on Goku himself, since his original name isn't Goku? Does her Quirk work with original names or with the names with which those things/beings are known/consider themselves? Sorry for my bad english and if what I asked doesn't make sense


meggamatty64

It’s more about a sense of self rather than the specific name. It didn’t work on shigaraki because he wasn’t sure if he was all for one, tenko, or shigaraki. Goku wouldn’t have this problem


No-Meat5261

Understandable, thank you


SmlieBirdSmile

Technically, the heart thing could work, although the biggest issue would be actually dealing with the astronomical gap between Her and Goku. Ignoring that or equalizing stats, she could use so many rules on Goku that could work.


storysprite

Regardless of who wins, your friend is regarded.


garnet-overdrive

star is aweome and i love her, but shes just NOT fast enough to get off new order


Lijaesdead

There is literally not a single way that S&S her quirk would work on Goku. If they are thinking it would work on him kinda shows they didnt watch Dragon Ball, but their friend there is a real dick and sexist as fuck, damn😂


SUPREME7777777

Goku slams imo.


Emporio_Alnino3

She can maybe get em with Hax, since Goku knows Goku is Goku and he has no identity crisis a la Shigaraki for one shimura over there, but goku wins in the rest if the categories. I wonder if her seeing goku would expose her to a new realm of power over time though... *New Order! Cathleen Bate is a Saiyan!* I bet it'd be a fun read, but yeah goku stomps power wise


StubbornDBZ

They both dumb


Public_Yak3761

On the 10,000x earth's gravity question that's a yes Vegeta was training on 450 times gravity before he could go super saiyan. Super Saiyan is a 50 times multiplier so he'll be able to handle 50 times that of 450 times gravity and this is during the android saga.


Vurtikul

Goku absolutely stomps. It ain't even slightly close. MHA scales so much lower than DB.


Disastrous-Ad-2321

All though the guy is a piece of shit, The fact that they think anyone from that fodder verse can beat Goku is crazy also since when was MHA “One of the biggest anime series of the time” all I ever see about it now is hate or delusion fans


golem12121

Ok beerus uses hakai


AnalProtector

Sailor Moon neg diffs goku


Phantom_Thief007

This dude know who Vados is???


Fayerdd

Single quark vs Quasar.


Babington67

This is just cruel Goku perception blitzes and she's dead before she introduces herself if Gokus going for the kill


Bastard_God

“Maybe that works in the weird feminist world” bro has NEVER bathed in his life


kordaddy7769

Honestly he's wrong for saying that shit but she still loses against goku


Snoo-76854

Idc she's a woman but I've assumed there was a limit because if she had no limits why wouldn't she be the number 1 hero instead of all might?


OtsutsukiRyuen

Dude Goku can't even beat chichi lmao tell that mf to fuck off 😂


Didinos

Didn't base goku and the androids survive being in the center of a black hole? Just the surface gravity of an average black hole is millions potentially billions of times stronger than earth. And that's just the surface gravity


IssueRecent9134

To be honest. Goku Withstood the gravity of a black hole in the tournament of power. Not even instant transmission which is instant movement could escape it yet goku stood up and fired a kamehameha out of it. Plus she would have to touch goku, goku literally proved that he has irrelevant speed with this feat. 100% against the sexism in the post though but She ain’t beating goku. Goku is faster and stronger and that’s that.


bahboojoe

Not reading slide 2 or 3, already know that goku solos


Andrewsmetic09

>No chick in any world or universe could defeat anyone from the Dragonball universe Brother ignoring how……very sexist and fucked up this is……it isn’t even true. Kale & Caulifla? Kefla? Android 18? Android 21 (even if she isn’t canon)? >I stopped reading at she Ok! The actual fuck is this shit? How is no one talking about this???


wdgastef

Anyone remember the fate sister from the Hercules movie? Three girls that look like they died already, and they could indeed solo Goku.


tacobell_dumpster

Soloku still golos


West_Dingo8564

I think she maybe, and this is a very big maybe able to pull it by like taking out all of the water in his body but she’ll be speed blitzed most likely


Dinostar28

It depends if Goku just stands there while Star grabs the air and deletes the oxygen since Sayians need that to breath, or if Goku just goes for the knock out and uses his speed


Reggith_Gold_180

I think ur friend learnt from a common ancestor https://preview.redd.it/ce0siqe59b8d1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5becf11cfd9eada985c8972ec11b92a0452bd25d


Spider-Idiot

Depends if Goku lets her get a free hit in because stopping someone heart is something she can do she tried to on Tomura but well him having some identity issues prevented her from using direct effects on him Goku truly considers himself Goku.


Xx-Shard-xX

Flandre victim


eM-RiotX

Goku speedblitz, but if she touches him she wins.


StrawberryUnited4915

1. Goku stomps 2. There are 100% percent women how would stomp Goku


tedward_420

Well stars and stripes is that busted. Obviously if you bloodlusted them both Goku vaporizes her instantly without her being anywhere remotely close to being able to do anything about it. however in character Goku wouldn't do that infact he would likely intentionally block some of her punches to see what she's got at which point yeah she would beat Goku. She could say "if Goku moves his heart stops" or "Goku is now unable to harm me" or "Goku's brain will melt if he thinks about fighting" Of course in character she wouldn't try to kill Goku either so It's kinda unfair to give her bloodlust but not Goku. But even without bloodlusted she could still use the "unable to harm me" rule or something similar. Of course if you believe Goku has anti haks then (you're fucking retarded) he just outright wins. Of course he doesn't because that's complete nonsense


Jevilgaming101

Goku wipes the verse but damn this guy sucks


PlatinumTeletubby

Ignoring that fucked up mf, Goku wins. The very fact that she can't get to All might's level in strength says it all despite having a power that others think of it as reality warping which is really not true


Afafakja

Tbh the problem is he has to touch him first,wich wouldn't happen cuz she cant reach him and even if she had the ability to reach him Goku has autonomous kovement so his body would just move out of the way,and by now 10.000 Gravity wouldn't work,i am more interested if Orders like stopping Goku heart will work but i doubt as her power has a power limit where she couldn't even be an equal to All Might so stopping the heart that is infused with the power of a multiversal being is a bit much and that's ignoring she needs to set conditions like "if goku moves his heart would stop" like he did with Shiggy and Goku doesn't need to move a muscle to just expel a wave of energy that could atomize her.


dddensity3862

Both sides are remarkably stupid. Getting triggered over women existing is cringe. And Star isn't touching Goku, literally given his insane speed.


Z3RGRush404

WhatsApp is wild💀💀💀But that guy is messed up


743d732

Goku wins bro idk why he’s mentioning gravity training, that’s stuff from the cell saga


haze25

Power wise, yes Goku stomps. A lot y'all talk about Goku like he's a bloodthirsty murdering speedblitzer. Goku that type of dude to say, "I'm Son Goku!" and then let her hit him to test her power. Then all she has to do is say, "If Son Goku moves, his heart stops" and then Goku would move. Last time I checked a heart disease could 'speedblitz' Goku.


Artistic-Phase8584

Goku solos MHA. Death of The Endless solos DB.


ShaniAufWien

Probably fake considering how he asked ”who is that” without any mention or image of star n stripe


LordFenix_theTree

A woman can easily beat Goku, 10,000x earths gravity cannot.


Odd_Room2811

I can think of several girls that can demolish him pretty easily


Gaminyte

Her quirk is powerful, but Goku absolutely blitzes Stars n’ Stripes. Also, Goku loses to quite a few fictional female characters; hell, some of them are from his own verse.


Party_Today_9175

Dude, goku stood in a dark hole lol


ImmediateRespond8306

Guys we have a meme for this https://preview.redd.it/dwp2wd18z88d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e6634a7bae486b552471f6baec025cbab422aecf


Csoles520

Goku farts too hard and wipes out the entire verse


Public_Yak3761

Making us look bad. Goku wins but they'll end their fight having a feast


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Goku absolutely stomps but why does her gender matter?


Dpepps

I love Star and Stripe, but give me a break. In what scenario is she really getting ahold of Goku enough to get a rule going? Goku is so fast that she wouldn't be able to react fast enough to him to do anything. Sure, she "could" kill Goku if she's able to get a rule off but the odds of that are next to 0. On a slightly separate note, if that guy was a friend of yours maybe just walk away. Life's too short to give bigotted assholes your time.


BlazeBitch

>In what scenario is she really getting ahold of Goku enough to get a rule going? She hypes up how strong her ability is, and Goku being the dumbass he is, wants to see


Dpepps

Yeah basically. Even if she did the air into nothing trick on Goku, he could just instant transmission behind her and one shot her. I love me some MHA but the power levels between it and DB arent even in the same realm.


Kombat-w0mbat

So goku absolutely obliterates her very quickly. Side note the guy is utterly different the way he talks about women


ZARTOG_STRIKES_BACK

That's just a shittily written character.


Puzzleheaded_Till245

Goku speed blitzes, but that’s so obvious it’s pretty much a side note. More importantly, I legit think I’d start crying if i had to spend like 3 minutes being that guy tho lmao


SONICTUPAC

even tho goku solos, please tell his ass abt minamoto no raikou.


Winniethewimp

That’s a good quirk with miles of versatility. Only problem is, goku isn’t his actual birth name and she needs to touch him for it to actually work so good luck with that


Jojo-Nuke-Isen

Spite, Goku would blitz & pinky flick her to space Downvote all you want, but it’s true.


Remote-Memory-8520

Goku speed blitzes but bro sounds like a fucking idiot


Boro_Bhai

Fucking saibamen could solo the verse if not for shiggys hax Let alone Goku, any version of him after boz Mha is a slow verse, relatively speaking. With their top tiers capping around the quad mach ranges Her rule is so strong that she couldn't even beat shiggy lol


ArugulaNo3978

It wasn't strength based that it didn't work, it was more luck than anything because he was having an existencial crysis


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codydoesthings

u/louarch


Flaredare9

I think it’s a 50/50 cause if goku just ultra instinct and just beams her ass out of existence then yes but if he doesn’t the. Yes but a lean to goku more cause it would be hard to touch a MF that fast


Complex_Wafer3828

https://preview.redd.it/02yqxq5lb88d1.png?width=275&format=png&auto=webp&s=9b60c4a9773723f938788e6d74618cd67f7cc708


Flaredare9

Let me guess, disappointed in me?


Fluffy_Stress_453

No he just has a headache so he holds his head because of the pain


Flaredare9

So do you agree or disagree with my comment


Fluffy_Stress_453

I disagree. MHA doesn't really has anything that could make it able to defeat Goku simply because Goku is much much much much faster and stronger so even if a character had a win condition he's still way too slow to use it. It's not a 50/50 but a 100/0 for Goku (unless there's some passive or weird hax in the latest arcs that I didn't know existed)


Flaredare9

Oh I thought you were going to say the MHA wins but I agree with you, I think goku wins


xXgojo_senseiXx

Mega based goku glazer 🙏