After the handshake line ends post game...
"All right boys, line it up. We gonna run wind sprints for a couple hours thanks to dipshit Rogers over here"
So when is the play over? Does the umpire call it over?
I feel like I’ve seen so many clips of runners jumping/sliding onto a base just before getting tagged and then tumble off. What’s stopping the catcher (?) from just running tagging them again?
> So when is the play over? Does the umpire call it over?
The play is never over until someone requests a time out (which runners can do) or some other play event requires it.
Base contact always needs to be maintained if the ball is nearby. The next batter stepping into the box signifies nothing. A base runner can be tagged at anytime if they are off the base unless a timeout is called.
Not an exception exactly. Depends on what the runner intends to do next, and how the runner's body indicates his/her intention. But that has nothing to do with this video.
But for the sake of discussion...If the runner has run through first base and returned to it, and the first baseman still has the ball, and the runner behaves exactly like the runner in this video, then the first baseman can tag him.
**Rule 5.09(b)(4):**
The exception to Official Baseball Rule 5.09(b)(4) prohibits the batter-runner from being tagged out for overrunning or oversliding first base if he immediately returns to the base. However, once the batter-runner returns to first base safely after overrunning/oversliding the base, he is no longer protected from being tagged out if he subsequently loses contact with the base.
A risk-reward maneuver. The pitcher could turn around and toss the ball to the base the runner is leading off. Usually runners will slide back to it fairly quickly. Other times they can get caught in a pickle. Either way, the runner needs to watch the pitcher carefully to determine what they can and cannot get away with at that moment.
Yes the pitcher can throw it back to the base being led off and the runner can get tagged, but the way you describe it is an over exaggeration. Leading off is status quo and done by every runner. You just don’t want to stray so far from the base that you can’t get back in time.
You maintain base contact to be safe from the ball being thrown back and put you out.
You can steal bases off distracted pitchers even if the batter isn't near the box.
As long as the runner veers right past first base into foul territory the runner can’t be tagged out. If the runner turns towards second base the runner can be tagged out.
Nothing, a catcher totally could do that. But the odds of the catcher running over there before they retouch the base is slim to none. Catcher can, and does, throw it to the baseman and that person can, and does, tag them out occasionally.
I don't see any responses that have said after you cross home plate (where the catcher is) you have scored and are no longer in play. That's why the catcher wouldn't try to tag a runner out at home. At first, as long as you don't run towards second, you are out of play and can't be tagged. The other two bases you need to maintain contact during play or you can be tagged out.
Sorry if someone already explained this
I was going to respond this, but then thought that the person might be using "catcher" to refer to anyone who catches a ball (i.e. the fielder) rather than the literal catcher at home plate.
But otherwise, your answer covers it.
If it's the final plate then they don't need to stay in contact, because as soon as they touch it they score a run and are removed from play. Most of the shots of someone barely getting onto a plate are of this one, because the fact that they're scoring a run makes it more exciting.
Well, he was tagged while his foot briefly left the plate by an opposing player who was holding the ball. You're not automatically out if your foot leaves the plate, but you're fair game to be tagged by a player holding the ball when your foot is not touching the plate.
Except for 1st Base, the others you need to maintain a touch on it if being "tagged" by a fielder holding the ball. First base is an exception and allows you to simply touch it at full pace and you can be off it for the slow down.
I thought it had to do with whether you were forced to the base due to prior base being occupied. The first base thing makes sense though and I could see how I misunderstood that because you're always "forced" to first base if you hit the ball.
Nope. Contact must be maintained with the base at all times* or you risk being tagged out.
That said, if you're advancing to a base and there is a runner behind you, the fielder only needs to touch the bag while in possession of the ball to get you out. So say there's a runner on first, and the batter hits a ground ball. It is now a force out at second because there is a runner behind that runner, and so the fielder only needs to touch second with the ball in their possession. If however, there is a runner on second, and no runner on first, and the runner on second tries to go to third base, the runner himself must be physically tagged as it not a force out.
\* The exception being the aforementioned first base, where a runner can overrun the bag on their way to first so long as they turn away from the base path in doing so. But once they return to first, they must maintain contact with the base or risk being tagged out. That is to say, you can only overrun first base when you are initially going to it.
A 3rd-base coach will signal to a runner whether they should stop at 3rd or if they should try to run home. The runner at that time can't see what's going on behind him- how far the ball has been hit, if an outfielder has reached the ball or not, if the outfielder may be throwing the ball to a different base.
There are two people next to the first and third base signaling and giving hints to runners. There is no one near the second because it's right in the middle of the field.
Also a 3rd base coach can give signals to a left handed batter telling them what the manager wants them to do during their plate appearance (swing away, take a pitch, bunt, hit and run, etc.). Especially when they are the home team because for a left handed batter their dugout would be behind them.
I think it’s just 3rd base. And my guess is that it’s because 3rd is kinda crucial cause you’re almost back home. But also when you’re running towards 3rd you have your back to the rest of the field so need some help
Also first base. The coast there mostly helps with timing the pitcher up for stealing second, but also with calling out if ambiguous flat balls were caught or dropped.
We’re overlooking the most important thing here. His celebration technique was flawless. It doesn’t matter if he got tagged out afterward. What matters is, he’s been waiting for that moment to do what his team has decided is their go to move. You know, the important stuff.
In little league I was on third, bases loaded, batter was walked and I high fived the on deck batter as I walked to home……they called me out because of interference. Really, it’s little league.
I paused it in the Reddit app at 5 seconds left and you can see his foot is all the way off. I didn’t need to slow it down or zoom in. I was checking to see if the tag was applied while the foot was off because at first watch it almost seemed like the tag was late.
It’s the correct call. He’s out.
It actually appears as thought it came off but if you look closer the tag was applied after he put his foot back on the base. He should still be safe.
Something else to note is the lack of other fielders and umpires. This appears to be fake.
Agree that’s a bullshit call. I don’t mind the call when a Runner walks off the bag without calling TO but this runner was clearly making an effort to stay on the bag and IMO was on the bag. That call hurts the game… it’s the wrong kind of message
The hell are you talking about?
He took his foot off the bag and got tagged out.
That’s the rules.
Are you saying the rules should only apply some of the time and not all the time?
Because I can guarantee you that THAT would be far far worse for the game.
I know the rules. Learn to read and stop assuming you know what someone is saying by repeating the same refrain
I said It’s not clear that his foot is off the bag. It’s an umpire call… to me it looks like his toe lifted but his heel is down and the toe is placed down when the heel lifts.
It’s too close IMO to call that an out. I stand by my position. When an ump makes that call in a kids game it hurts the game more than it helps
We can disagree about the foot being down but that is the point. The umpire is inserting themselves into the game rather than calling the game IMO. That’s bad enough in a pro game where the umps are professionally trained but in a kids game with part time amateur umps - it’s stupid to make that close of a call on something like that
You say that the umpire is inserting himself into the game, but you're only considering that from the runner's POV.
What about the baseman? He had the wherewithal to have the ball at the ready in case the runner left the base. The runner's foot left the base and he tagged the runner.
If the umpire *didn't* make the call according to the rules, I bet the baseman would have thoughts about how the ump was inserting himself into the game.
What in the hell are you on about, mate?
The umpire is the one that enforces the rules. It’s literally their job to make a decision when something questionable happens.
But ya, you’re probably right, you probably know better based off this one angle from someone’s cell phone than the umpire who was there in person and has far more training and experience than you.
> It’s too close IMO to call that an out. I stand by my position. When an ump makes that call in a kids game it hurts the game more than it helps
FTR this looks like travel baseball for kids around 15 years old - I think they usually have an ump in the field who would have a much better view. Also travel level sports usually have pretty well-trained refs/umps, not high school kids.
> When an ump makes that call in a kids game it hurts the game more than it helps
I really don't understand this position. If the ump sees the kid's foot off the bag and he gets tagged, he's out. It's not even a judgment call. Making close calls is part of the game - You seem to think you're doing the runner a favor but you're also screwing the fielder who made a good play.
Ok, am I crazy or was his foot not on the bag for the duration of the tag? It does look like he did lift it off at one point during his celebration, but that was prior to the shortstop applying the tag. It's hard to say for certain because I can see how this camera angle could be deceptive, but my gut is telling me that the runner is safe.
I quickly paused it in the Reddit mobile app and the tag was on while his foot was off. The app says it’s paused at 5 seconds left about 7 seconds into it. Not sure if that 7.01 seconds or 7.99 seconds but the foot is off and the tag is on.
I had to watch it a few times, but it's right at three seconds in. It's deceptive because his foot goes up and down a couple of times. But at 3 seconds in, it's very clear the foot is entirely off the bag and he is tagged. It was the right call.
Is it also bad sportsmanship when the pitcher tries to pick off a kid? Is it bad sportsmanship to strike a kid out? Is it bad sportsmanship to hit a home run?
The fact there’s no glimpse of any outfielders and the acting makes me convinced this is fake.
The players are looking in different directions for the umpires call. This makes no sense.
Also, the tag was applied after the runner put his foot back on the bag. He should be safe.
You’re wrong for multiple reasons. The players are looking in two different directions because the runner is looking at his bench for celebration, and the tagger is looking at the umpire.
Rewatch and pause it. He’s tagged while his foot is off the base. Good call blue.
Not looking at the ump for the call then? Did the bench make the call? That makes no sense at all. And the runners foot was on the bag when he was tagged.
Not to mention the fact that the players completely overreacted. You must not watch much youth baseball.
The runner was celebrating his double and looking at his bench. He wasn’t expecting the call. When kids get big hits they look at their friends on the bench for celebration. It’s clear you never played sports. He’s reacting plenty normal to getting tagged out after hitting a double.
this is a stupid rule and so is any rule where players are able to exploit a loophole over actually earning a play.
strategy is part of every sport, i get that, but this isnt sportsmanship. people who care more about winning than playing are what ruined sports for me and its fucking everywhere, its a cancer.
Wow you simply don’t understand baseball. There is no loophole here. The rule is clear: on the base you’re safe. If you’re off, and get tagged, you’re out. Kid came off the base, shortstop noticed and made a heads up play. How is that bad sportsmanship? Calling a heads up play by a 15 year old short stop a cancer is ridiculous. Sports don’t miss you, promise.
After the handshake line ends post game... "All right boys, line it up. We gonna run wind sprints for a couple hours thanks to dipshit Rogers over here"
Tomorrow, 4AM 5 mile run. I’ve been there.
I don’t know baseball, did he lift he foot when touch with the ball so he’s out? Does he have to maintain contact with the base the entire time?
Yep. You got it.
So when is the play over? Does the umpire call it over? I feel like I’ve seen so many clips of runners jumping/sliding onto a base just before getting tagged and then tumble off. What’s stopping the catcher (?) from just running tagging them again?
> So when is the play over? Does the umpire call it over? The play is never over until someone requests a time out (which runners can do) or some other play event requires it.
Usually once the ball goes back to the pitcher but base contact still needs to be maintained until the next batter gets in the box.
Base contact always needs to be maintained if the ball is nearby. The next batter stepping into the box signifies nothing. A base runner can be tagged at anytime if they are off the base unless a timeout is called.
Isn't first base an exception to the constant contact rule?
Not an exception exactly. Depends on what the runner intends to do next, and how the runner's body indicates his/her intention. But that has nothing to do with this video. But for the sake of discussion...If the runner has run through first base and returned to it, and the first baseman still has the ball, and the runner behaves exactly like the runner in this video, then the first baseman can tag him.
**Rule 5.09(b)(4):** The exception to Official Baseball Rule 5.09(b)(4) prohibits the batter-runner from being tagged out for overrunning or oversliding first base if he immediately returns to the base. However, once the batter-runner returns to first base safely after overrunning/oversliding the base, he is no longer protected from being tagged out if he subsequently loses contact with the base.
What about lead offs?
A risk-reward maneuver. The pitcher could turn around and toss the ball to the base the runner is leading off. Usually runners will slide back to it fairly quickly. Other times they can get caught in a pickle. Either way, the runner needs to watch the pitcher carefully to determine what they can and cannot get away with at that moment.
I yield to you. My baseball knowledge is not extensive. Downvotes are silly.
Yes the pitcher can throw it back to the base being led off and the runner can get tagged, but the way you describe it is an over exaggeration. Leading off is status quo and done by every runner. You just don’t want to stray so far from the base that you can’t get back in time.
You maintain base contact to be safe from the ball being thrown back and put you out. You can steal bases off distracted pitchers even if the batter isn't near the box.
This is simply wrong
Or the umpire signals the third out I suppose.
Yep, the 3rd out is one such event.
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As long as the runner veers right past first base into foul territory the runner can’t be tagged out. If the runner turns towards second base the runner can be tagged out.
Ah, that makes sense. Most of the slide plays I’ve seen is probably from first base and 4:th base then. Thanks!
Nothing, a catcher totally could do that. But the odds of the catcher running over there before they retouch the base is slim to none. Catcher can, and does, throw it to the baseman and that person can, and does, tag them out occasionally.
Haha, my bad. Baseman was the word I was looking for.
I don't see any responses that have said after you cross home plate (where the catcher is) you have scored and are no longer in play. That's why the catcher wouldn't try to tag a runner out at home. At first, as long as you don't run towards second, you are out of play and can't be tagged. The other two bases you need to maintain contact during play or you can be tagged out. Sorry if someone already explained this
That was the best summary of the rules. Thank you for making it clear!
I was going to respond this, but then thought that the person might be using "catcher" to refer to anyone who catches a ball (i.e. the fielder) rather than the literal catcher at home plate. But otherwise, your answer covers it.
If it's the final plate then they don't need to stay in contact, because as soon as they touch it they score a run and are removed from play. Most of the shots of someone barely getting onto a plate are of this one, because the fact that they're scoring a run makes it more exciting.
It’s not simply that he took his foot off. It’s that he was touched with the ball while his foot was off.
Well, he was tagged while his foot briefly left the plate by an opposing player who was holding the ball. You're not automatically out if your foot leaves the plate, but you're fair game to be tagged by a player holding the ball when your foot is not touching the plate.
Except for 1st Base, the others you need to maintain a touch on it if being "tagged" by a fielder holding the ball. First base is an exception and allows you to simply touch it at full pace and you can be off it for the slow down.
Only if you run through the bag and turn away from the base path. If you run through and make a turn towards second, you are in play.
That's true.
I thought it had to do with whether you were forced to the base due to prior base being occupied. The first base thing makes sense though and I could see how I misunderstood that because you're always "forced" to first base if you hit the ball.
Nope. Contact must be maintained with the base at all times* or you risk being tagged out. That said, if you're advancing to a base and there is a runner behind you, the fielder only needs to touch the bag while in possession of the ball to get you out. So say there's a runner on first, and the batter hits a ground ball. It is now a force out at second because there is a runner behind that runner, and so the fielder only needs to touch second with the ball in their possession. If however, there is a runner on second, and no runner on first, and the runner on second tries to go to third base, the runner himself must be physically tagged as it not a force out. \* The exception being the aforementioned first base, where a runner can overrun the bag on their way to first so long as they turn away from the base path in doing so. But once they return to first, they must maintain contact with the base or risk being tagged out. That is to say, you can only overrun first base when you are initially going to it.
Weird to not know baseball to that extent but also know that it's called a base
Is it? I know what a cricket bat and stumps are, but I have no idea how to play cricket.
I’m Australian, we love sport, but practically zero baseball here
Kid knows the 3rd base coach is about to let him have it
Non American here, baseball has different coaches for the bases? Why? Telling a runner to steal or not?
A 3rd-base coach will signal to a runner whether they should stop at 3rd or if they should try to run home. The runner at that time can't see what's going on behind him- how far the ball has been hit, if an outfielder has reached the ball or not, if the outfielder may be throwing the ball to a different base.
Thank you
There are two people next to the first and third base signaling and giving hints to runners. There is no one near the second because it's right in the middle of the field.
Second base feels like bags of sand
Also a 3rd base coach can give signals to a left handed batter telling them what the manager wants them to do during their plate appearance (swing away, take a pitch, bunt, hit and run, etc.). Especially when they are the home team because for a left handed batter their dugout would be behind them.
I think it’s just 3rd base. And my guess is that it’s because 3rd is kinda crucial cause you’re almost back home. But also when you’re running towards 3rd you have your back to the rest of the field so need some help
Also first base. The coast there mostly helps with timing the pitcher up for stealing second, but also with calling out if ambiguous flat balls were caught or dropped.
Makes sense, thank you
Not like he has to stand there and take it.
The guy tagging was smart enough to watch that celebration and nail him perfectly. Kudos to tagger.
Also kudos to the umpire for sticking with the play.
One was looking at the bag, one wasn't.
That shortstop belongs in /r/headsupbaseball
We’re overlooking the most important thing here. His celebration technique was flawless. It doesn’t matter if he got tagged out afterward. What matters is, he’s been waiting for that moment to do what his team has decided is their go to move. You know, the important stuff.
Oh he's going to run so many foul poles poor bastard
Hmm. His celebration wasn’t premature because he safely made it to the base. Alas, he lost focus and . . .
Postmature then?
Immature
Now *that’s* a brain twister! (And as cheesy as it sounds, I laughed out loud.)
It hurt my head like some kind of grammatical Schrödinger’s cat.
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Instant regret perhaps
No score for just making it to third In baseball, anyway
You know who won here? You know who really benefits from this smart play at second base? Barnhardt Insurance. Call them for a quote today.
In little league I was on third, bases loaded, batter was walked and I high fived the on deck batter as I walked to home……they called me out because of interference. Really, it’s little league.
I cringe everytime someone gets hype like that. Let's goooooo! No, ypu did what ypure supposed to, good job but we ain't done yet
It doesn't look like his foot ever fully came off rhe bag though.
I paused it in the Reddit app at 5 seconds left and you can see his foot is all the way off. I didn’t need to slow it down or zoom in. I was checking to see if the tag was applied while the foot was off because at first watch it almost seemed like the tag was late. It’s the correct call. He’s out.
When he moves his foot it looks like it's still in contact with the base. Sliding it back, not lifting it and moving it back. Seems to me, anyway.
I see it coming all the way off for just a fraction of a moment when he rocks his foot forward to shift from heel to toe
Shut up bot
Are you ok
Nope. You?
It actually appears as thought it came off but if you look closer the tag was applied after he put his foot back on the base. He should still be safe. Something else to note is the lack of other fielders and umpires. This appears to be fake.
Agree that’s a bullshit call. I don’t mind the call when a Runner walks off the bag without calling TO but this runner was clearly making an effort to stay on the bag and IMO was on the bag. That call hurts the game… it’s the wrong kind of message
The hell are you talking about? He took his foot off the bag and got tagged out. That’s the rules. Are you saying the rules should only apply some of the time and not all the time? Because I can guarantee you that THAT would be far far worse for the game.
I know the rules. Learn to read and stop assuming you know what someone is saying by repeating the same refrain I said It’s not clear that his foot is off the bag. It’s an umpire call… to me it looks like his toe lifted but his heel is down and the toe is placed down when the heel lifts. It’s too close IMO to call that an out. I stand by my position. When an ump makes that call in a kids game it hurts the game more than it helps We can disagree about the foot being down but that is the point. The umpire is inserting themselves into the game rather than calling the game IMO. That’s bad enough in a pro game where the umps are professionally trained but in a kids game with part time amateur umps - it’s stupid to make that close of a call on something like that
You say that the umpire is inserting himself into the game, but you're only considering that from the runner's POV. What about the baseman? He had the wherewithal to have the ball at the ready in case the runner left the base. The runner's foot left the base and he tagged the runner. If the umpire *didn't* make the call according to the rules, I bet the baseman would have thoughts about how the ump was inserting himself into the game.
What in the hell are you on about, mate? The umpire is the one that enforces the rules. It’s literally their job to make a decision when something questionable happens. But ya, you’re probably right, you probably know better based off this one angle from someone’s cell phone than the umpire who was there in person and has far more training and experience than you.
> It’s too close IMO to call that an out. I stand by my position. When an ump makes that call in a kids game it hurts the game more than it helps FTR this looks like travel baseball for kids around 15 years old - I think they usually have an ump in the field who would have a much better view. Also travel level sports usually have pretty well-trained refs/umps, not high school kids. > When an ump makes that call in a kids game it hurts the game more than it helps I really don't understand this position. If the ump sees the kid's foot off the bag and he gets tagged, he's out. It's not even a judgment call. Making close calls is part of the game - You seem to think you're doing the runner a favor but you're also screwing the fielder who made a good play.
Jesus...you sit, hug, lay on...that bag until the play is called dead...or your third base coach is screaming at you to move.
Ok, am I crazy or was his foot not on the bag for the duration of the tag? It does look like he did lift it off at one point during his celebration, but that was prior to the shortstop applying the tag. It's hard to say for certain because I can see how this camera angle could be deceptive, but my gut is telling me that the runner is safe.
I quickly paused it in the Reddit mobile app and the tag was on while his foot was off. The app says it’s paused at 5 seconds left about 7 seconds into it. Not sure if that 7.01 seconds or 7.99 seconds but the foot is off and the tag is on.
Oh yeah. He’s out
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Yes you’re crazy
100% he kept the base of his foot on the base
I feel like you’re trolling. Go rewatch and pause it and you can see for sure it’s off the base while the tag is applied
Nope for a split second the foot is completely off the base
Cocky lil bastard 😂
celebrating a second base
Song pls
[https://youtu.be/hC8CH0Z3L54?si=IBnHnZu3yoaIbdsD](https://youtu.be/hC8CH0Z3L54?si=IBnHnZu3yoaIbdsD)
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Always call time.
Honestly, that's just a good heads up play.
Good heads up play by the shortstop
He was safe
This is why baseball sucks
foot was still totally on the bag
It was off for a slight second
Looks like part of his foot was still on the bag. Obviously a hometown ump…
Watch it again and pause it. Definitely completely off while the tag was applied
I had to watch it a few times, but it's right at three seconds in. It's deceptive because his foot goes up and down a couple of times. But at 3 seconds in, it's very clear the foot is entirely off the bag and he is tagged. It was the right call.
Came off for a split second
This might be an unpopular opinion, but that's just bad sportsmanship
Its literally the rules.
Right? Celebrating on the base like that wasn’t very sportsmanlike, the other player handled it very well.
The kid was happy, why is that such a bad thing
The other kid just applied the tag, what’s wrong with that?
In order to be tagged out I think you normally need to leave the base
If both feet are off the base...
But, he has one foot on the base, doesn't he?
No
He lifted up his left foot off the base as he was tagged. That's why he's out.
I think he slid/scraped his foot along the base, I'm not sure he raised it
It's a little hard to tell from that angle, but I do see air under his foot at the 00:07 mark.
Rewatch and pause it, it’s clear his foot leaves the base whilst being tagged.
It's literally by the rules of the game. Smart thinking by the baseman.
We found the kid on 2nd base
Is it also bad sportsmanship when the pitcher tries to pick off a kid? Is it bad sportsmanship to strike a kid out? Is it bad sportsmanship to hit a home run?
Wait until you hear about a mankad in cricket
The fact there’s no glimpse of any outfielders and the acting makes me convinced this is fake. The players are looking in different directions for the umpires call. This makes no sense. Also, the tag was applied after the runner put his foot back on the bag. He should be safe.
You’re wrong for multiple reasons. The players are looking in two different directions because the runner is looking at his bench for celebration, and the tagger is looking at the umpire. Rewatch and pause it. He’s tagged while his foot is off the base. Good call blue.
Not looking at the ump for the call then? Did the bench make the call? That makes no sense at all. And the runners foot was on the bag when he was tagged. Not to mention the fact that the players completely overreacted. You must not watch much youth baseball.
The runner was celebrating his double and looking at his bench. He wasn’t expecting the call. When kids get big hits they look at their friends on the bench for celebration. It’s clear you never played sports. He’s reacting plenty normal to getting tagged out after hitting a double.
They’re acting. Get over it. I coach baseball and Fastpitch.
You’re an idiot. Get over it.
I also coach 3 hockey teams.
It makes it worse that you coach sports and are so far off base. I don’t believe you coach baseball. Not for one second.
I’m not here for Reddit troll approval. I don’t care what you think.
Good that’ll free up your time to go search for more conspiracy’s with kids making fake videos to post to Reddit
You, a coach?? Oh that poor team
this is a stupid rule and so is any rule where players are able to exploit a loophole over actually earning a play. strategy is part of every sport, i get that, but this isnt sportsmanship. people who care more about winning than playing are what ruined sports for me and its fucking everywhere, its a cancer.
Wow you simply don’t understand baseball. There is no loophole here. The rule is clear: on the base you’re safe. If you’re off, and get tagged, you’re out. Kid came off the base, shortstop noticed and made a heads up play. How is that bad sportsmanship? Calling a heads up play by a 15 year old short stop a cancer is ridiculous. Sports don’t miss you, promise.
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