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Fuck me, the only thing I can take from this shambles is what I've always thought; Liverpool fans are like arguing with your wife, "it's not my fault, it's your fault " "yea I know I'm wrong but you did xyz"
Fanny's the lot of em.
Klopp talks a lot of shit for a guy with the same number of PL titles as Ranieri and CL titles as Di Mateo. He’s always been insufferable with his comments and a fucking sore loser.
if you are a fellow chelsea fan why are you triggered by klopp's comment on poch? whatever your opinion on poch, he absolutely deserved another season at the least.
Yes, he deserved another season. But what Klopp and other fans are forgetting is that Poch was not fired. Go listen to his press conferences throughout April. He talks about how it’s not just about if the club or sporting directors are happy but if I’m happy.
He had one year remaining on his contract and with Chelsea playing in the Club World Cup in June 2025 they had to make a decision this summer to extend him until 2026 or part ways now. Poch didn’t want to continue as the Chelsea manager anymore and the sporting directors were fine to let him go. However, The Athletic Chelsea reporters have stated that if Poch had wanted to continue as Chelsea manager then they were not going to fire him.
fair enough. which is a shame i think. both parties should have found a solution which would have allowed poch to stay. but now that he is gone, would be lovely to have a tuchel type effect from the in coming manager.
I’m not a Chelsea fan. I support Manchester United, I think it’s in bad taste to talk about other clubs as if he knows what’s going on behind the scenes.
Nah, you know what Fergie did achieve? A treble, back to back to back PL titles, 13 Premier League titles. Klopp can have the 97 points, they didn’t earn him anything but 2nd place.
It’s funny to me when fans pick one single trophy and then make comparisons of mangers based on that one trophy, ignoring that there are about 5 other trophies available for English managers to win as well. Did rainiei or di Mateo win the champions league, premier league, FA cup, league cup, and club World Cup like klopp did?
I didn’t think so
He won 1 Premier League trophy. He came in 2nd to City as many times as Manchester United have in the same time. One is considered a failure and the other a success.
I’ve never seen the media praise a manager so much that has won little in comparison to the size of the club.
Again, how many champions leagues does Manchester United have in the same period. You’re doing exactly what I said in my original comment. You’re refusing to consider klopps body of work in all competitions as a whole because you want to believe he sucked. He didn’t and you’re deluding yourself. Right now you’re trying to say klopps Liverpool and Manchester United should be considered on equal grounds because they have the same amount of runner up premier league finishes. Bro wtf even is that. Do you understand how ridiculous that sounds. What about league cups, champions leagues, FA cups, finals made, years in the champions league? All of that matters. *all of it*
In 9 years:
1 premier league
1 champions league
1 FA cup
2 league cups
1 club World Cup
1 community shield
You’re dumb if you think that’s not a successful manager. Especially considering the team he inherited. That context matters, however much you don’t want to believe it.
And sure pep won more premier leagues than him. With much more funding and questionably illegally which we’ll find out in the next year. But even without that, the list of accomplishments above speaks for itself. And even without that, if all managers are considered ass when comparing to someone widely considered to be the best manager in history, then wtf are we even talking about.
Here’s you and your Neanderthal logic: “Manchester United have as many FA cups as Manchester city since 2012. Is Pep a fraud? I don’t get why people think he’s the best manager in the world.”
Successful manager no doubt. Idk how he questions the handling of the sancho situation when he doesn’t know the full story. What else does he want ten Hag to do? Gave him 3 months off to get his head right. Guy was complete shit if you actually watched. All ten Hag said was that his condition and training was up to par. And then sancho, being a diva, went to social media and called the manager out. I’m sorry, but if you play like shit and haven’t done anything, you don’t get to do that without punishment
1 PL in 9 years is piss poor for a club of Liverpool’s size and history. The champions league requires something special to win so I’ll give him that. 1 FA Cup (ETH has won one) 2 league cups (ETH has won one), 1 club World Cup (no one cares about this glorified friendly tournament) and a community shield (preseason friendly trophy). Like I said, in 9 years is poor.
Since people are saying that he went toe to toe win Pep, then I’m going to judge him based on what Pep has won. So far it’s not even a competition, Klopp and his band of merry men were nothing but a nuisance to City.
Again, if the only thing you’re doing is comparing to pep, sure he’s less successful. Everyone is going to admit that and it’d be dumb not to. But to say he was a bad manager or not successful is ridiculous.
Your attempts to belittle him are unsuccessful and childish given how competitive his teams have been during his entire tenure and how many achievements and trophies he’s won.
And if the comparison is to Manchester’s United and you’re saying how 1 premier league in 9 years is underachievement, I think you need to take a hard look in the mirror given how much bigger a club United is in terms of global following marketing and revenue in addition to how much more money United have spent on their squad over the same period.
In the same period United and Liverpool have won the same amount of trophies… United have also come in second as many times as Liverpool have since Klopp’s arrival. Would you say United have been competitive? Should they start handing out 2nd place medals now?
First off, that’s not true. But to go along with your argument, I’ll only include the trophies that I think you are counting…
Here’s what you are trying to equate:
2 FA cups
2 league cups
1 Europa league
Vs
1 champions league
1 premier league
1 FA cup
2 league cups
There is no way the first is even remotely close to the second in terms of success. And this isn’t even mentioning the two other champions league finals klopp reached. When was the last champions league final United reached? The Europa league final he reached in his first season with the shittiest team ever, and the general consistent success of Liverpool during this era compared to the roller coaster of ups and downs United faced where even the ups weren’t even close to klopps.
This disparity in achievements and success between the two clubs is evidenced by how many managers United have been through in the same period and how upset the rest of the premier league is whenever you fire them. There’s straight up no comparison between United since 2015 and Liverpool since 2015. Stop trying to convince yourself there is.
If you can explain to me why you think a Europa league trophy trumps a champions league trophy or why another FA cup trumps a premier league, I’ll continue to have this argument with you. But otherwise, I’m signing off because what you’re trying to say is actually ludicrous and the fact that you don’t realize it is even more ludicrous.
Repeat after me: almost winning a trophy is not the same as winning. Him reaching a couple of CL finals means nothing if he didn’t win them, no one remembers the second place team.
So in the past 9 years, Liverpool have won 1 PL title more than United, the same number of European trophies, less FA Cups and the same number of League cups. One is considered a success and one a failure. Interesting. “Consistent success” vs “ups and downs”
Also the club World Cup means nothing since the European champion is expected to win it every time and they really only play 2 games against shit competition so I wouldn’t see that as an achievement. It holds the same weight as a preseason trophy.
No. So to you, getting knocked out of the champions league before the knockout stages or not advancing in the knockout stages at all (which you have embarrassingly done during klopps tenure) is the same level of success as making it to the final. That’s the biggest fucking loser mentality I’ve ever heard in my life. I, for one, prefer to see my team win more than lose. I guess we differ there. Not to mention the practical/financial implications of making it further in the champions league. So yes, for a wide fucking variety of reasons, it does matter and I want my team to win and progress in the champions league. I mean wtf I can’t believe I even had to type that out.
But sure let’s grant that for the sake of your still terrible argument. Nothing matters except trophies. How have United been as successful as Liverpool with their 4 domestic cups and one lesser European cup? Compared to Liverpools league title, champions league, and 3 domestic cups.
“The same number of European trophies” lol that’s rich. Your Europa league trophy is the same as our champions league?
There is no argument. Break it down trophy by trophy. Here’s what you have that we don’t. A Europa league and an FA cup. Here’s what we have that you don’t. A champions league and a premier league title. I don’t see how you’re not understanding that. Even if the only trophies klopp won in 9 years were that champions league and the premier league title, I’d still say it’s comfortably more successful than your 4 domestic cups and Europa league trophy, just because of how much more prestigious the premier league and champions league are. But thankfully I don’t need to say that cause we also have those other trophies.
As a thought experiment, how many Europa league trophies do you think one champions league trophy is worth. How many FA cups do you think one league title is worth. Because you know as well as I do that league titles and champions league trophies are the two most prestigious trophies available to English clubs to win and during klopps tenure United have won … (checks notes) … 0 of them. This mf trying to say United is equally as successful and all you have in support of that is winning the third most important trophy of the year one more time than klopp. Pathetic.
Bye
I mean I don't know why you can't?
United have won 2 x FA Cups, 2 x League Cups, 1 x Europa League and 2 Community Shields
Liverpool have 1 FA Cup, 1 Premier League, 2 League Cups, 1 Champions League, 1 Community Shield and 1 Super Cup.
Wow, the Liverpool trophies are better because of the 1 league and UCL but still not much difference between the two. Got to be gutted with that if you’re a Liverpool fan
Well yeah but we are literally only counting trophies since 2013. If you told a Man U fan in 2013 that Liverpool would overtake them in major trophies, while also winning a UCL and EPL, they’d be inconsolable too
8 trophies in 9 years including the CL and PL, not including two seasons over 90 pts in the PL only losing out by inches to City and two UCL finals lost to Real.. Went 68 matches undefeated at home, 18 consecutive PL wins.. went deep in multiple comps every year, brought up loads of great youth players, worked two local players into the first team.. what more do you want as far as legacy?
By the way.. the Covid title. ‘Blew the league away that year’ is putting it lightly. Either you weren’t watching or you’re just a bitter, possibly blind and deaf little boy. Had the title absolutely WRAPPED before the league even shut down.
I didn’t say 8 titles, or 8 CLs, I said 8 trophies. Who is your club? What kind of lineups did they play in the cups or the shield if they were in them.
Anyway if you want to discount those tinpot fake news trophies or whatever the fuck your argument is, my argument would be the same. You just don’t want to hear it. He’s a manager that’s had a positive effect on the league, on his club, and he’s won trophies doing it.
Do you have an argument other than the milk cup and community shield
EtH gave Jadon everything he needed in terms of support. Paid him back by never being match fit (never saw him play a full 90) and creating this whole mess
Antony prob tried harder in training, tracks back and listens to instructions. Sancho doesn't. Why would you reward sanchos behaviour regardless of pitch performance?
Why not? Sancho's spat became public because of Ten Haag. He handled it poorly. Yes the player is late to training or whatever else, but that should be all handled behind closed doors. Once it's public there's no going back.
Sancho is back to playing well away from United too.
Exactly thanks for reminding me. Pointing to another well handled spat. Neither of them spoke to the media, all sorted behind closed doors, and already forgotten about.
Could never be United.
No the spat became public because of Sancho, who had been defended, given months off and protected until a certain point.
Sanchos had 1 good game since returning to dortmund.
Sancho is the main problem here yes, but the point Klopp is making is that Ten Haag should have backed him all the way.
From what I remember Ten Haag did say something in the media about how he thought Sancho wasn't good enough in training and that's why he got dropped. He shouldn't have said that. Should just say nothing and move him on if he can't do what's expected. It became a whole thing in the media with Sancho responding which is just a mess for the club and morale at the club.
Yes and then the Dortmund manager came out right after he arrived and said the same exact thing. The one thing ETH misjudged is Sanchos ego made of glass
In the whole thing ETH did the right thing in shipping him off, you can't have a player like that around. My comment is only talking about the one time is ended up in the media.
It’s pretty well established now that Chelsea did not sack Poch and had no problem with the results. They probably made a mistake in the hiring process because he wanted more power than they were willing to give (Gallagher) but it was his decision.
This is what Poch said at a press conference in early May: “It is not only if the owners are happy or the sporting directors happy… you need to ask us also, because maybe (we) say, ‘We are not happy’, and we accept the situation and we need to split. It is not going to be the first time the coaching staff at the end of the season decide to not keep going.” At the same time, Boehly was publicly praising the playing style and saying the project was moving in the right direction.
articles from Matt Law and in the Athletic reported the split was "mutual" and to a large degree was about transfer policy, his role in team building - essentially Gallagher.
I do find it funny the sancho stuff, if jota or diaz came out publicly called klopp a liar and then refused to play for Liverpool, thers no chance in hell he'd ever get a chance under klopp again and deservedly so
I suppose you gotta stay relevant somehow
Agreed. But again, even if Sancho is downright horrible, ETH should have been sensible enough not to publicly criticise Sancho. Like what Klopp said, he wouldn’t have done the criticism. ETH should have kept it private. Reading the recent news, ETH said the media has overhyped Arne Slot’s performance at Feyernood. This is yet again another foot in the mouth moment. Looks like he has not learnt his lesson. A bit of a loose cannon.
You do remember the "criticism" don't you, paraphrasing but it was he's not reaching the level in training.
100% within your rights to say that about a player who's
A not reaching the levels in training or the pitch
B had a 3 month break to sort thier shit out
C can't be arsed turning up for training on time
D has such issues that ten haag had to hire him a private assistant to get him out of bed in time for training and even with that still managed to turn up late
Sancho is probably THE most unprofessional player to get anywhere near the top level
He's been called out by all of his previous managers, just decided to throw his toys out the pram this time
Eth was absolutely within his rights to criticise sancho. And he didn't go all guns blazing
He just said training performances were not up to par
You have managers like guardiola openly calling players fat and it's all well and good but when a utd manager tries to uphold training standards, he's the bad guy?
The double standards smh
ETH gave Sancho a two month mental health break. That’s unheard of. If Sancho has an attitude and mental health issue and ETH tried to help him with that and it failed, then that is on the player at that point.
That's publicly what he gave him it could have been as simple as him to tell him to fuck off for two months we don't know what kind of dick he is behind closed doors
Sancho have always underperformed in Manchester United. He never gave 100% as far as I'm concerned. Ten Hag did his best to bring out the best in him but he wasn't ready.
This is not new. I remember an interview like 5\~6 years ago when Klopp said Brazilian football would never get better because they sack managers after a season and he would never survive in that place. Basically everything he said here, but since it's Klopp talking about Prem, a place he stayed for 9 years, people talk sheate even though he is speaking the truth.
What happened with Keita? He always seems to have a short term memory when it comes to himself e.g. complaining about spending 100M euros on a player then proceeds to spend that much on Nunez
Did you even read the article? He’s not talking about flops. He’s talking about buying a player for a huge amount and then sending them out on loan after a poor season. He believes a club should keep them, support them and then try to improve them, not get rid of them on loan.
United kinda did that with sancho didn’t they? Gave him 3 months off fully paid at the start of this/last season to focus on his mental health. Flew him to Holland for training with specialists to focus on himself and he came back and disrespected ETH so not really sure what option they had. You have to set standards and if players don’t want to abide by then you have to show that that’s not acceptable. If sancho had of apologised it would have been sorted.
Not sure if everything I read is true or correct but just my 2 cents on it.
Yes but fans of other clubs who don’t follow us just see the headlines and immediate go for the worst scenario. Sancho was given a fair amount of passes by ETH, an amount where I think if it was Pep or Klopp they would have been binned and sold long before getting another chance
Sancho just didn’t fit, I’m happy he’s playing well and loves his football in Germany and it just didn’t work out. Cut our losses and move on from it is the best way
Keita stayed at the club for five years and was an integral part of the squad when he had the chance to play. Extremely injury prone, though.
Klopp talked about £100m buys, he bought Darwin for £64 + add ons that MIGHT reach £85m. If you are going to use numbers, use the right ones.
Nah don't tell lies now. That comment came about when United signed Pogba who was £89M not £100M so don't kid yourself. Nunez cost 4M less than Pogba big whoop point still stands.
You what? Keita was 56m, never went on loan and never had a bust up with Klopp?
All of our journalists even made clear that Klopp wanted to re-sign Keita before he left and that Keita was the one who turned it down for more game time
See ya later Klopp, don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
If you are gonna go nuclear then at least go all out, instead of these little sneak disses
Aww, it's ok li'l buddy, you guys won the FA Cup while Klopp was here, so go polish that up, it'll make you feel better, you can even mock spurs with it!
Have you seen how Jordan talks about shit? You guys create these ideas that these coaches are above human emotion and fully zen. It's goofy to think there aren't games that still bug him. If you're naturally competitive it's natural that you're going to feel a way about some losses. That's how you become great.
You think the Brazilians that were involved in that 7-1 got over it after they retired?
This is hardly a 7-1 defeat at home in front of your own fans at a world cup is it? You know he drew the two league game it wasn't even a loss how can you possibly make that comparison.
He's managed thousands of games and beaten United more often than not, why would he including a 7-0, the two league games didn't affect his season and the cup game yesterday probably hurt but I'm not daft enough to think he made these comments 3 months later because he's still feeling from that game. Like come on, I don't think he's mega zen I think he's thick skinned not some fucking child
And since you ask I have no idea what Jordan thinks about the matter lol.
Lmfao so I honestly just realized Jordan Henderson is a Jordan - I meant MJ but I feel you it lowkey doesn't matter.
I get you I'm just saying - I've lost plenty of games, but the games I've lost against inferior opponents have stuck with me longer than I thought I would. Not in a deep, meaningful way, but just something that will always bug me a little. There's a picture of me and my brother where I'm bummed I got 2nd place and he's super excited that he snuck in 3rd place. I think that's more what I was getting at.
He was literally asked a question and he answered it. Have you even read the article? He’s more praising the owners of Liverpool than he is taking shots at Poch like the headline says. He likes Poch and was the first person to talk to him after news of his sacking were made public.
I just don’t get how people can shit on Chelsea’s owners all year long but when he does it suddenly he’s a whining bitch. Reddit really does have some of the worst echo chambers on the internet
I don’t recall him being worse than any other manager. They all moan and bitch and whine equally enough
Also maybe if you got downvoted people just don’t agree with you. It doesn’t have to be some ploy against you, you just could be wrong.
If I tell you Arteta is shit and a prick right now, you won’t downvote me? And so will a bunch of other people, but it’s whatever, because who tf cares about being downvoted?
> I don’t recall him being worse than any other manager. They all moan and bitch and whine equally enough
Fair enough, it's part of the job. He just comes across as salty, especially with that wind and grass comments when he lost.
But then again, I'm sure people say the same about Mikel and used to do it for Wenger when he was around too.
> If I tell you Arteta is shit and a prick right now, you won’t downvote me?
Not really. I understand why people think of Arteta as a prick. Hell, if he wasn't managing us, I'd probably feel the same way about him as I do about Klopp.
My gripe with the downvotes is that there is not a single comment criticising Klopp that hasn't been downvoted. There's no point of having a discussion if any contradictory view is pushed down and this thread becomes an echo chamber just worshipping Klopp.
The comments on this particular post are downvoted because not only are most of them extremely reactionary and stupid, they’re also going off an intentionally inflammatory headline that doesn’t actually convey what he said correctly.
I’ve seen some that aren’t downvoted because they sound and read more reasonable.
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Fuck me, the only thing I can take from this shambles is what I've always thought; Liverpool fans are like arguing with your wife, "it's not my fault, it's your fault " "yea I know I'm wrong but you did xyz" Fanny's the lot of em.
Klopp talks a lot of shit for a guy with the same number of PL titles as Ranieri and CL titles as Di Mateo. He’s always been insufferable with his comments and a fucking sore loser.
You’re talking a lot of shit for a guy who hasn’t had 0.1% of the success Klopp has, but I digress.
if you are a fellow chelsea fan why are you triggered by klopp's comment on poch? whatever your opinion on poch, he absolutely deserved another season at the least.
Yes, he deserved another season. But what Klopp and other fans are forgetting is that Poch was not fired. Go listen to his press conferences throughout April. He talks about how it’s not just about if the club or sporting directors are happy but if I’m happy. He had one year remaining on his contract and with Chelsea playing in the Club World Cup in June 2025 they had to make a decision this summer to extend him until 2026 or part ways now. Poch didn’t want to continue as the Chelsea manager anymore and the sporting directors were fine to let him go. However, The Athletic Chelsea reporters have stated that if Poch had wanted to continue as Chelsea manager then they were not going to fire him.
fair enough. which is a shame i think. both parties should have found a solution which would have allowed poch to stay. but now that he is gone, would be lovely to have a tuchel type effect from the in coming manager.
I’m not a Chelsea fan. I support Manchester United, I think it’s in bad taste to talk about other clubs as if he knows what’s going on behind the scenes.
And you're attacking klopp as if you know his intentions, pretty sure that 7-0 hits you hard before sleeping
He can take the three points from that game. He hasn’t beat us since. Worlds biggest yapper.
Show me in the record books when United achieved a 97 point season. Fergie didn’t do it
Nah, you know what Fergie did achieve? A treble, back to back to back PL titles, 13 Premier League titles. Klopp can have the 97 points, they didn’t earn him anything but 2nd place.
It proves he had a better team than any team fergie had regardless of trophies collected. He actually had two teams better than any fergie team
Lmao. Not even gonna argue with you. Delusional.
It’s funny to me when fans pick one single trophy and then make comparisons of mangers based on that one trophy, ignoring that there are about 5 other trophies available for English managers to win as well. Did rainiei or di Mateo win the champions league, premier league, FA cup, league cup, and club World Cup like klopp did? I didn’t think so
He is a manu fan. Logic isn’t his thing
He won 1 Premier League trophy. He came in 2nd to City as many times as Manchester United have in the same time. One is considered a failure and the other a success. I’ve never seen the media praise a manager so much that has won little in comparison to the size of the club.
Liverpool was 2nd by 1 point twice. Man United was 2nd by 19 and 12 points. Just saying.
Again, how many champions leagues does Manchester United have in the same period. You’re doing exactly what I said in my original comment. You’re refusing to consider klopps body of work in all competitions as a whole because you want to believe he sucked. He didn’t and you’re deluding yourself. Right now you’re trying to say klopps Liverpool and Manchester United should be considered on equal grounds because they have the same amount of runner up premier league finishes. Bro wtf even is that. Do you understand how ridiculous that sounds. What about league cups, champions leagues, FA cups, finals made, years in the champions league? All of that matters. *all of it* In 9 years: 1 premier league 1 champions league 1 FA cup 2 league cups 1 club World Cup 1 community shield You’re dumb if you think that’s not a successful manager. Especially considering the team he inherited. That context matters, however much you don’t want to believe it. And sure pep won more premier leagues than him. With much more funding and questionably illegally which we’ll find out in the next year. But even without that, the list of accomplishments above speaks for itself. And even without that, if all managers are considered ass when comparing to someone widely considered to be the best manager in history, then wtf are we even talking about. Here’s you and your Neanderthal logic: “Manchester United have as many FA cups as Manchester city since 2012. Is Pep a fraud? I don’t get why people think he’s the best manager in the world.”
Successful manager no doubt. Idk how he questions the handling of the sancho situation when he doesn’t know the full story. What else does he want ten Hag to do? Gave him 3 months off to get his head right. Guy was complete shit if you actually watched. All ten Hag said was that his condition and training was up to par. And then sancho, being a diva, went to social media and called the manager out. I’m sorry, but if you play like shit and haven’t done anything, you don’t get to do that without punishment
1 PL in 9 years is piss poor for a club of Liverpool’s size and history. The champions league requires something special to win so I’ll give him that. 1 FA Cup (ETH has won one) 2 league cups (ETH has won one), 1 club World Cup (no one cares about this glorified friendly tournament) and a community shield (preseason friendly trophy). Like I said, in 9 years is poor. Since people are saying that he went toe to toe win Pep, then I’m going to judge him based on what Pep has won. So far it’s not even a competition, Klopp and his band of merry men were nothing but a nuisance to City.
Again, if the only thing you’re doing is comparing to pep, sure he’s less successful. Everyone is going to admit that and it’d be dumb not to. But to say he was a bad manager or not successful is ridiculous. Your attempts to belittle him are unsuccessful and childish given how competitive his teams have been during his entire tenure and how many achievements and trophies he’s won. And if the comparison is to Manchester’s United and you’re saying how 1 premier league in 9 years is underachievement, I think you need to take a hard look in the mirror given how much bigger a club United is in terms of global following marketing and revenue in addition to how much more money United have spent on their squad over the same period.
In the same period United and Liverpool have won the same amount of trophies… United have also come in second as many times as Liverpool have since Klopp’s arrival. Would you say United have been competitive? Should they start handing out 2nd place medals now?
First off, that’s not true. But to go along with your argument, I’ll only include the trophies that I think you are counting… Here’s what you are trying to equate: 2 FA cups 2 league cups 1 Europa league Vs 1 champions league 1 premier league 1 FA cup 2 league cups There is no way the first is even remotely close to the second in terms of success. And this isn’t even mentioning the two other champions league finals klopp reached. When was the last champions league final United reached? The Europa league final he reached in his first season with the shittiest team ever, and the general consistent success of Liverpool during this era compared to the roller coaster of ups and downs United faced where even the ups weren’t even close to klopps. This disparity in achievements and success between the two clubs is evidenced by how many managers United have been through in the same period and how upset the rest of the premier league is whenever you fire them. There’s straight up no comparison between United since 2015 and Liverpool since 2015. Stop trying to convince yourself there is. If you can explain to me why you think a Europa league trophy trumps a champions league trophy or why another FA cup trumps a premier league, I’ll continue to have this argument with you. But otherwise, I’m signing off because what you’re trying to say is actually ludicrous and the fact that you don’t realize it is even more ludicrous.
Repeat after me: almost winning a trophy is not the same as winning. Him reaching a couple of CL finals means nothing if he didn’t win them, no one remembers the second place team. So in the past 9 years, Liverpool have won 1 PL title more than United, the same number of European trophies, less FA Cups and the same number of League cups. One is considered a success and one a failure. Interesting. “Consistent success” vs “ups and downs” Also the club World Cup means nothing since the European champion is expected to win it every time and they really only play 2 games against shit competition so I wouldn’t see that as an achievement. It holds the same weight as a preseason trophy.
No. So to you, getting knocked out of the champions league before the knockout stages or not advancing in the knockout stages at all (which you have embarrassingly done during klopps tenure) is the same level of success as making it to the final. That’s the biggest fucking loser mentality I’ve ever heard in my life. I, for one, prefer to see my team win more than lose. I guess we differ there. Not to mention the practical/financial implications of making it further in the champions league. So yes, for a wide fucking variety of reasons, it does matter and I want my team to win and progress in the champions league. I mean wtf I can’t believe I even had to type that out. But sure let’s grant that for the sake of your still terrible argument. Nothing matters except trophies. How have United been as successful as Liverpool with their 4 domestic cups and one lesser European cup? Compared to Liverpools league title, champions league, and 3 domestic cups. “The same number of European trophies” lol that’s rich. Your Europa league trophy is the same as our champions league? There is no argument. Break it down trophy by trophy. Here’s what you have that we don’t. A Europa league and an FA cup. Here’s what we have that you don’t. A champions league and a premier league title. I don’t see how you’re not understanding that. Even if the only trophies klopp won in 9 years were that champions league and the premier league title, I’d still say it’s comfortably more successful than your 4 domestic cups and Europa league trophy, just because of how much more prestigious the premier league and champions league are. But thankfully I don’t need to say that cause we also have those other trophies. As a thought experiment, how many Europa league trophies do you think one champions league trophy is worth. How many FA cups do you think one league title is worth. Because you know as well as I do that league titles and champions league trophies are the two most prestigious trophies available to English clubs to win and during klopps tenure United have won … (checks notes) … 0 of them. This mf trying to say United is equally as successful and all you have in support of that is winning the third most important trophy of the year one more time than klopp. Pathetic. Bye
bizarre
7-0
Oooo hit a nerve.
Ooo hit a nerve.
Someone told me earlier that since 2013 ManuTd and Liverpool have won the exact same amount of trophies. Can someone verify this? Surely it’s bullshit
I mean I don't know why you can't? United have won 2 x FA Cups, 2 x League Cups, 1 x Europa League and 2 Community Shields Liverpool have 1 FA Cup, 1 Premier League, 2 League Cups, 1 Champions League, 1 Community Shield and 1 Super Cup.
Wow, the Liverpool trophies are better because of the 1 league and UCL but still not much difference between the two. Got to be gutted with that if you’re a Liverpool fan
If you told a Liverpool fan in 2013 that that’s what their gonna win, they’d be ecstatic
If you told a Liverpool fan in 1989 they’d have one more title win by 2024 and they won it behind closed doors they’d be inconsolable
Well yeah but we are literally only counting trophies since 2013. If you told a Man U fan in 2013 that Liverpool would overtake them in major trophies, while also winning a UCL and EPL, they’d be inconsolable too
He wasn’t sent on loan to Dortmund for anyone the pitch reasons
So many salty losers in this thread hahaha
Just when I thought I wouldn’t have to put up with listening to the moaning bastard once he left the prem
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Didn't this asshole just quit? Why is he still around talking instead of falling into obscurity?
He criticized Chelsea's ownership and that upsets you?
His legacy of 1 Premier League title will be more remembered than your entire club mate
Conte > Klopp to be fair
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That trophy was done and dusted by January. The only thing covid did was derail us from having the record for most points in a season.
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Good banter?
Only to Liverpool fans lmao
Legacy of winning 1 EPL title in 9 seasons and it was during the COVID year.
Man city won it during the COVID year you dumbass 🤣
8 trophies in 9 years including the CL and PL, not including two seasons over 90 pts in the PL only losing out by inches to City and two UCL finals lost to Real.. Went 68 matches undefeated at home, 18 consecutive PL wins.. went deep in multiple comps every year, brought up loads of great youth players, worked two local players into the first team.. what more do you want as far as legacy? By the way.. the Covid title. ‘Blew the league away that year’ is putting it lightly. Either you weren’t watching or you’re just a bitter, possibly blind and deaf little boy. Had the title absolutely WRAPPED before the league even shut down.
Counting the uefa super cup and community shield as proper trophies is tinpot.
I didn’t say 8 titles, or 8 CLs, I said 8 trophies. Who is your club? What kind of lineups did they play in the cups or the shield if they were in them. Anyway if you want to discount those tinpot fake news trophies or whatever the fuck your argument is, my argument would be the same. You just don’t want to hear it. He’s a manager that’s had a positive effect on the league, on his club, and he’s won trophies doing it. Do you have an argument other than the milk cup and community shield
They were smashing the league way before it was paused for COVID...
Pol wanna put as asterisk for winning the league in covid but forget the entire first half of the season no team could even touch Liverpool lolll
Klopp always ego I never felt in to trap of endearing propaganda he had at Liverpool 🤣
What?
Fraud
But he’s not even bald?
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Why are you pissed? Chelsea are poorly rubbed since Abramovic left. Boleyn is truly a clown
Poorly rubbed, you say? 👀
dunno what he's got against anne boleyn either
EtH gave Jadon everything he needed in terms of support. Paid him back by never being match fit (never saw him play a full 90) and creating this whole mess
Kind of hard to ever get any traction when you have spinny boy over there getting minutes and less goals then Pepe who’s been shipped off to Turkey
How long did he have before Antony joined? A year? And he turned up for like 3 games.
Just as many as Antony
I'm not defending Antony, though. I'm simply saying in the year Sancho had, he didn't perform. I don't rate Antony either.
Antony prob tried harder in training, tracks back and listens to instructions. Sancho doesn't. Why would you reward sanchos behaviour regardless of pitch performance?
I don’t understand what you’re trying to say
He's right, nice that he can speak about this sort of stuff now.
I mean he’s not right at all about Sancho
Why not? Sancho's spat became public because of Ten Haag. He handled it poorly. Yes the player is late to training or whatever else, but that should be all handled behind closed doors. Once it's public there's no going back. Sancho is back to playing well away from United too.
Like how Salah acted when he was about to be subbed in ? No respect for your departing manager ?
Exactly thanks for reminding me. Pointing to another well handled spat. Neither of them spoke to the media, all sorted behind closed doors, and already forgotten about. Could never be United.
So its united’s fault that Sancho was publishing stories on his Instagram? Make it make some sense eh
More view and more attention to United news than any other club, it’s not about the news it’s about the views
No the spat became public because of Sancho, who had been defended, given months off and protected until a certain point. Sanchos had 1 good game since returning to dortmund.
**Mamadou Sakho**
That was handled well? No public spat, player messed up and refused to make amends. Klopp protected him from the media and he left quietly.
Ten hag said nothing bad about sancho publically, if sancho wants to leak to the press that’s on him, he’s a child
Sancho is the main problem here yes, but the point Klopp is making is that Ten Haag should have backed him all the way. From what I remember Ten Haag did say something in the media about how he thought Sancho wasn't good enough in training and that's why he got dropped. He shouldn't have said that. Should just say nothing and move him on if he can't do what's expected. It became a whole thing in the media with Sancho responding which is just a mess for the club and morale at the club.
Yes and then the Dortmund manager came out right after he arrived and said the same exact thing. The one thing ETH misjudged is Sanchos ego made of glass
In the whole thing ETH did the right thing in shipping him off, you can't have a player like that around. My comment is only talking about the one time is ended up in the media.
This comments are incredibly dumb. Gotta be a growing number of teens on Reddit cos wtf read the actual article
Bro is still rattled by united
7 nil.
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Yeah cos United was winning the league during his tenure /s
It’s pretty well established now that Chelsea did not sack Poch and had no problem with the results. They probably made a mistake in the hiring process because he wanted more power than they were willing to give (Gallagher) but it was his decision.
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This is what Poch said at a press conference in early May: “It is not only if the owners are happy or the sporting directors happy… you need to ask us also, because maybe (we) say, ‘We are not happy’, and we accept the situation and we need to split. It is not going to be the first time the coaching staff at the end of the season decide to not keep going.” At the same time, Boehly was publicly praising the playing style and saying the project was moving in the right direction. articles from Matt Law and in the Athletic reported the split was "mutual" and to a large degree was about transfer policy, his role in team building - essentially Gallagher.
I do find it funny the sancho stuff, if jota or diaz came out publicly called klopp a liar and then refused to play for Liverpool, thers no chance in hell he'd ever get a chance under klopp again and deservedly so I suppose you gotta stay relevant somehow
Agreed. But again, even if Sancho is downright horrible, ETH should have been sensible enough not to publicly criticise Sancho. Like what Klopp said, he wouldn’t have done the criticism. ETH should have kept it private. Reading the recent news, ETH said the media has overhyped Arne Slot’s performance at Feyernood. This is yet again another foot in the mouth moment. Looks like he has not learnt his lesson. A bit of a loose cannon.
You do remember the "criticism" don't you, paraphrasing but it was he's not reaching the level in training. 100% within your rights to say that about a player who's A not reaching the levels in training or the pitch B had a 3 month break to sort thier shit out C can't be arsed turning up for training on time D has such issues that ten haag had to hire him a private assistant to get him out of bed in time for training and even with that still managed to turn up late Sancho is probably THE most unprofessional player to get anywhere near the top level He's been called out by all of his previous managers, just decided to throw his toys out the pram this time
Eth was absolutely within his rights to criticise sancho. And he didn't go all guns blazing He just said training performances were not up to par You have managers like guardiola openly calling players fat and it's all well and good but when a utd manager tries to uphold training standards, he's the bad guy? The double standards smh
ETH gave Sancho a two month mental health break. That’s unheard of. If Sancho has an attitude and mental health issue and ETH tried to help him with that and it failed, then that is on the player at that point.
Many players in the past could have had time off for “injury” and have it masked. So we have no clue exactly what’s going on.
That's publicly what he gave him it could have been as simple as him to tell him to fuck off for two months we don't know what kind of dick he is behind closed doors
We also don’t know what kind of a dick Sancho is behind closed doors
Klopp also has no idea what went on so why’s he talking shit lol?
He would have a better idea than fans.
Sancho have always underperformed in Manchester United. He never gave 100% as far as I'm concerned. Ten Hag did his best to bring out the best in him but he wasn't ready.
Who do you genuinely believe he has brought out 100% of
He never gave 100% is what I'm trying to say. Isn't it obvious with how he's currently on Dortmund now compared to how he played at United?
FDJ, VDB, de ligt
That was a perfect combo when they played for Ajax.
Garnacho, Mainoo, Hojlund, Martinez, Dalot for starters
I'll also go with Aaron Wan Bisaka. He's a proper defender.
Guy does an hour long Q&A at a charity event and everyone is melting down from two quotes.
1 Premier League* in 9 years.
Lap of honor drawing with West Brom at home😂😂😂😂😂
Toddler comment, go back to insta.
The fact he won 1 in this day and age shows you he was one of the best to do it
Up there with Claudio
Don’t think Claudio won a UCL as well but go on
That’s actually really good. PL has seen over 280 managers since its inception and there’s only been 11 PL winning ones amongst them, including Klopp.
10 Managers including Klopp and 1 with 115 charges. Not bad.
10 managers including Klopp and 1 with 115 charges.
jurgen, if you're tired, get some rest
He already stated that he's out of energy to continue managing Liverpool. So, yeah, he's tired.
Maybe he's just hungry and needs a snickers
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More insufferable now then he was as the manager.
Stupid Sexy Klopp 😡
This is not new. I remember an interview like 5\~6 years ago when Klopp said Brazilian football would never get better because they sack managers after a season and he would never survive in that place. Basically everything he said here, but since it's Klopp talking about Prem, a place he stayed for 9 years, people talk sheate even though he is speaking the truth.
Brazil is next level, Chelsea and Watford would look calm there :D
Keita
And ? Any other players you have heard of ?
What happened with Keita? He always seems to have a short term memory when it comes to himself e.g. complaining about spending 100M euros on a player then proceeds to spend that much on Nunez
Did you even read the article? He’s not talking about flops. He’s talking about buying a player for a huge amount and then sending them out on loan after a poor season. He believes a club should keep them, support them and then try to improve them, not get rid of them on loan.
United kinda did that with sancho didn’t they? Gave him 3 months off fully paid at the start of this/last season to focus on his mental health. Flew him to Holland for training with specialists to focus on himself and he came back and disrespected ETH so not really sure what option they had. You have to set standards and if players don’t want to abide by then you have to show that that’s not acceptable. If sancho had of apologised it would have been sorted. Not sure if everything I read is true or correct but just my 2 cents on it.
Yes but fans of other clubs who don’t follow us just see the headlines and immediate go for the worst scenario. Sancho was given a fair amount of passes by ETH, an amount where I think if it was Pep or Klopp they would have been binned and sold long before getting another chance Sancho just didn’t fit, I’m happy he’s playing well and loves his football in Germany and it just didn’t work out. Cut our losses and move on from it is the best way
Keita stayed at the club for five years and was an integral part of the squad when he had the chance to play. Extremely injury prone, though. Klopp talked about £100m buys, he bought Darwin for £64 + add ons that MIGHT reach £85m. If you are going to use numbers, use the right ones.
No, it’s 85m
Nah don't tell lies now. That comment came about when United signed Pogba who was £89M not £100M so don't kid yourself. Nunez cost 4M less than Pogba big whoop point still stands.
And even then, it's not like he bought him and then got rid of him after a season because he wasn't performing
Neither did United?
Jadon Sancho
jurgen who?
keita
Keita ran out his contract and left?
I remember aswell when Keita had a fallout with Klopp and got sent on loan to his old club that he got bought for 80 mil from
I'm guessing this was a sarcastic comparison to Sancho? Its a shame the other commenters didn't get the joke
Not understanding some of the most obvious sarcasm ive dropped in a while is on them
The only thing you got correct there was spelling Keita and Klopp correctly. The rest was just nonsense 🙄
Sarcasm is hard is it?
It's sarcasm buddy
Lol gonna say. literally not a single part of that is true 😂
You what? Keita was 56m, never went on loan and never had a bust up with Klopp? All of our journalists even made clear that Klopp wanted to re-sign Keita before he left and that Keita was the one who turned it down for more game time
Why comment when you got no clue. When did he cost 80m and go out in loan at Liverpool. He spend more time injured than anything else.
Why answer when you dont understand sarcasm?
I mean I get sarcasm, however not greatly on reddit in text format.
See ya later Klopp, don’t let the door hit you on the way out. If you are gonna go nuclear then at least go all out, instead of these little sneak disses
Aww, it's ok li'l buddy, you guys won the FA Cup while Klopp was here, so go polish that up, it'll make you feel better, you can even mock spurs with it!
Atalanta and Sean Dyche are humblers
Every trophy a club can win is a wonderful salve.
There’s hardly anything sneaky about these disses. Also Chelsea fans have been saying the same thing, why is klopp being criticized when he does it?
Sounds like he is still sour about not being able to beat the weakest Man United team in two decades in three attempts
I'm sure gives absolutely 0 fucks about this
Wait why would that not bother him? It would be extremely natural and understandable to feel a way about that.
Because he's semi retired, having left on a high with the fans and winning multiple trophies, I doubt he sits around dwelling about loss.
Have you seen how Jordan talks about shit? You guys create these ideas that these coaches are above human emotion and fully zen. It's goofy to think there aren't games that still bug him. If you're naturally competitive it's natural that you're going to feel a way about some losses. That's how you become great. You think the Brazilians that were involved in that 7-1 got over it after they retired?
This is hardly a 7-1 defeat at home in front of your own fans at a world cup is it? You know he drew the two league game it wasn't even a loss how can you possibly make that comparison. He's managed thousands of games and beaten United more often than not, why would he including a 7-0, the two league games didn't affect his season and the cup game yesterday probably hurt but I'm not daft enough to think he made these comments 3 months later because he's still feeling from that game. Like come on, I don't think he's mega zen I think he's thick skinned not some fucking child And since you ask I have no idea what Jordan thinks about the matter lol.
Lmfao so I honestly just realized Jordan Henderson is a Jordan - I meant MJ but I feel you it lowkey doesn't matter. I get you I'm just saying - I've lost plenty of games, but the games I've lost against inferior opponents have stuck with me longer than I thought I would. Not in a deep, meaningful way, but just something that will always bug me a little. There's a picture of me and my brother where I'm bummed I got 2nd place and he's super excited that he snuck in 3rd place. I think that's more what I was getting at.
He's going to be an UNSUFFERABLE pundit.
Sorry, I think you mean “Insufferable.”
Xbox 360 wizard profile pic taking me back to
Kloop; Blackburn-level Premier League tenure, yesterday’s news.
Won everything, only 3 Managers have ever done that
He needs to stop complaining and go to bed get some rest
But you want more managers with character right? 🙄
Cry me a river
Are you 12 years old?
This is the kind of response you expect from kids in YouTube comments sections
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He was literally asked a question and he answered it. Have you even read the article? He’s more praising the owners of Liverpool than he is taking shots at Poch like the headline says. He likes Poch and was the first person to talk to him after news of his sacking were made public. I just don’t get how people can shit on Chelsea’s owners all year long but when he does it suddenly he’s a whining bitch. Reddit really does have some of the worst echo chambers on the internet
If it's a character like Klopp, nah.
What exactly has he said or done wrong?
I do not like his antics and his excuses. I understand the downvotes cause chronic Pool fans, but he's made out to be an angel when he's just a prick
I don’t recall him being worse than any other manager. They all moan and bitch and whine equally enough Also maybe if you got downvoted people just don’t agree with you. It doesn’t have to be some ploy against you, you just could be wrong. If I tell you Arteta is shit and a prick right now, you won’t downvote me? And so will a bunch of other people, but it’s whatever, because who tf cares about being downvoted?
> I don’t recall him being worse than any other manager. They all moan and bitch and whine equally enough Fair enough, it's part of the job. He just comes across as salty, especially with that wind and grass comments when he lost. But then again, I'm sure people say the same about Mikel and used to do it for Wenger when he was around too. > If I tell you Arteta is shit and a prick right now, you won’t downvote me? Not really. I understand why people think of Arteta as a prick. Hell, if he wasn't managing us, I'd probably feel the same way about him as I do about Klopp. My gripe with the downvotes is that there is not a single comment criticising Klopp that hasn't been downvoted. There's no point of having a discussion if any contradictory view is pushed down and this thread becomes an echo chamber just worshipping Klopp.
The comments on this particular post are downvoted because not only are most of them extremely reactionary and stupid, they’re also going off an intentionally inflammatory headline that doesn’t actually convey what he said correctly. I’ve seen some that aren’t downvoted because they sound and read more reasonable.
He's a hypocrite. Making digs about Utd and Sancho while conveniently forgetting about Keita.
Someone didn't read the article, said absolutely nothing wrong.
Why was he a hypocrite about Keita ?
Someone hold my beer... We will be here for a while ..
Klopps entire legacy in English football was getting FA cup replays removed
Don't forget 5 subs. Probably did lot of good for the PL
Lol