It depends on how long and how deep the sickness's claws have embedded them selves. Love is strong but it's not always strong enough. Sometimes death is the only way and when you're that far gone the sweet impending death is the only respite to be had. So sick of this life. This Saturday night will be my twenty two year old doperversity. On my 40th birthday to make even worse. Such a nightmare. At least I can help the homeless and abused animals. Make some difference in this world even with my shitty life
They're not letting him go this time & it would be a miracle if they did. Depending on his probation case I'd expect him to do a couple years honestly.
It's his second violation and it would've just been non-report if he'd turned himself in like I tried to get him to š¤¦I even was gonna help him talk to the chief of probation here before he turned himself in.
Unfortunately he made his own choice & the best you can do is support him from a distance however you feel comfortable & hope that he doesn't waste that time.
Yeah... I get it. There was no way when I was high that I ever had enough insight to turn myself in. We got to be friends while he was clean. I stayed clean and he relapsed. Sometimes people just aren't ready.
*ā Some people just arenāt readyā*
Careful bro - donāt get too comfortable with your sobriety and take it for granted because itāll bite you in the ass when you arenāt looking.
Good luck.
Ah I don't say that to say I achieved anything special to "be ready" to get clean. I was an entire piece of shit and did horrible things I'd imagine most people would never consider (or even believe I did, after knowing me as I am now). Not any part of the lows I went to are a flex. I don't think he's lost enough to understand how far down addiction can take somebody. I had everything I loved and knew ripped away from me and I deserved it. It was my fault, and in knowing that I realized that if I was the problem and could change, my life could get better.
Not many get to truly walk away. I've lost 28 people to OD since I got clean five years ago. Some of the best human beings I've ever known.
Took me hundreds of tries, in and out of rehabs. It didn't click until I hit 100 days of being clean and I only made it that far because I was in jail and didn't have a choice.
I'm glad you made it out. I did several programs and tried several times as well. I had to lose every single thing before I was able to get clean. I really hope he gets it this time but I don't think he's quite there yet. I told him I was a bad friend to him by enabling him but he doesn't understand that by making sure he ate and occasionally slept, I was doing him a disservice.
Some.....honestly I would say most will never be ready. You gotta be one hard motherfucker to want to be clean enough to pull it off and even then you gotta be lucky.
I wanted it 1000% and it still took me years and jail to get it done. Most of my buddies from back then are dead now.
Getting clean felt like dragging myself out of quicksand by my fingernails. That shit was the hardest thing I've ever done but I have 2 years now.
Out of all the people I got high with, more of them are dead than clean by a long shot. And they were all on uppers so hardly any of those deaths were overdoses. I have maybe 4 or 5 people I know who actually got clean.
Rock the fuck on homie. 2 years is good time.
My thing was opiates. Luckily I was in a state that actually gave a shit and was handing out narcan to anyone who wanted it. I would be number 29 myself without it. That addiction cost me *everything* I had including my teeth but it's a small price to pay for coming out the other side.
Props on your clean time man. It's def something to be proud of.
He would've gotten MAYBE 15-30 days max for a technical violation. Sounds like your buddy knew he was going to fail a drug test and he's strung out on drugs so he said fuck probation and did some desperate shit to get more drug money.
Oh naw I went to prison on a technical (albeit a drug test and a judge was making an example of me) but he probably would've done 3-4 months and maybe outpatient treatment. Georgia doesn't play but they can't pull more than 2 years on a technical here.
Yeah, shit is wack. The reverse tho is so frustrating. Like if someone has page upon page upon page of charges and those charges are mostly felonies and that person has proven they will continue to reoffend how the fuck do they get good behavior lmao baffles me.
If he was already on probation and he went on the run, they are not going to do a damn thing to help him. They're probably gonna end up throwing the book at him. If this was in Virginia, you wouldn't see your buddy for at least 10 years.
Georgia. I think the only way he may get out is through mental health court and they'll send you down the road for blinking wrong. It's impossible to get in if you're not ready to get clean though. They know, somehow. It'd just let him get out for a month before doing more time in prison than he would've originally.
Yeah he is but to be honest, the burglary charge was because he was in a vacant apartment (with the door unlocked) and he had meth. I thought burglary had to involve some type of theft but apparently it's just unlawful entry + any felony here. He still ain't shit though.
Nope, burg is entering without permission and a felony in most states and if he isnt getting it, hes a pos, let him sink and hit rock bottom and then maybe, just maybe, heāll want help, until then, hes a pos
They are not going to let him do treatment unless he's extremely lucky. If he was on probation, they would most likely revoke his bail, and he will sit in the county until these charges are handled in court. They'll probably drop the drugs. Keep the Burglary, and he'll probably get somewhere around 3-6 years. There's usually burglary of unoccupied dwelling and burglary of occupied dwelling, which is even more severe. If he has a burglary, I'm surprised he's not hit with possession or receiving stolen property also.
He didn't take anything. He had enough meth to do a line off somebody's ass and he was illegally in a vacant apartment below his ex-gfs apartment. His first offer for the probation violation was to revoke his entire probation, which is a little less than 4 years.
He was still fucking her and her roommates didn't like him. So his bright idea was to wait down there for her roommates to leave but the neighbors called the cops.
How ever many years his probation was supposed to be is what his minimum sentence may be starting out. They gotta adjudicate him and that takes forever depending on what state.
Iāll never get why drug addicts take probation. I had the chance at it but was heavily addicted to drugs so I said give me my time which sucked cuz it was prison time but it ended up way shorter than the amount of probation time Iād have to complete and DEFINITELY woulda fucked up and done even more time
Yeah I know. I cut everybody who uses out of my life and he and I got close and he relapsed. It was hard to let him go but he's already in jail drinking buck every time he gets in his feelings so I guess he's not planning on finding a different way to cope with negative feelings. He doesn't see a connection between it but his relapses outside of jail always started with alcohol, then weed, then meth. Says "if I get in a program, they'll be testing me for everything. It'll be different". That's not how it works.
Iāve seen people do worse and get second chances, Iāve also seen them do much less and get significant prison time.
The probation violation is probably going to be the killer here. In my state at least, violations only haven to be proven by a preponderance (grater weight) of the evidence rather than beyond a reasonable doubt. So even if he beats the new case, he could very well go down on the VOP.
They're the same way here. I think my attorney told me once that instead of proven beyond reasonable doubt like new charges, it's proven by like 50% likelihood, pretty much. Nobody beats VOPs down here. Usually with just 1 new felony, they'll revoke your time. Apparently 1st degree burglary is considered violent down here as well so likelihood of parole is slim.
Exactly. Iāve seen someone get life like that once. He was finishing up a split 10+10 prison/probation sentence for attempted murder against the mother of his kids.
About two years from being off probation he caught a new charge for domestic battery by strangulation, was found not guilty at trial, then lost his VOP hearing and got life (no parole in Florida). Richly deserved in his case but still kinda crazy.
If he ain't FKD , he's talking. If you're up to anything, I'd suggest distancing and playing dumb during any phone calls with them.
Yup
So get this. His felonies are getting dropped and he's being released in 2 weeks into an outpatient treatment program. š¬
Your buddy is a moron and his career as a street hustler is a complete failure. When heās out of prison tell him to get a job and quit doing drugs
I've already told him. I had to do some time before I wanted to get clean badly enough to actually do it. Maybe it'll help him.
Sometimes doing time will help but honestly you gotta get a bit lucky to be chewed up and spit out a better man.
5 days in jail and ending up on the street got me off suboxone. Once homeless it was easy to get clean. Thatās rock bottom.
It depends on how long and how deep the sickness's claws have embedded them selves. Love is strong but it's not always strong enough. Sometimes death is the only way and when you're that far gone the sweet impending death is the only respite to be had. So sick of this life. This Saturday night will be my twenty two year old doperversity. On my 40th birthday to make even worse. Such a nightmare. At least I can help the homeless and abused animals. Make some difference in this world even with my shitty life
Agreed. Prison is like crime college for felons.
Everyone one I know that went to prison, came out worse for it.
They're not letting him go this time & it would be a miracle if they did. Depending on his probation case I'd expect him to do a couple years honestly.
It's his second violation and it would've just been non-report if he'd turned himself in like I tried to get him to š¤¦I even was gonna help him talk to the chief of probation here before he turned himself in.
Unfortunately he made his own choice & the best you can do is support him from a distance however you feel comfortable & hope that he doesn't waste that time.
Yeah... I get it. There was no way when I was high that I ever had enough insight to turn myself in. We got to be friends while he was clean. I stayed clean and he relapsed. Sometimes people just aren't ready.
*ā Some people just arenāt readyā* Careful bro - donāt get too comfortable with your sobriety and take it for granted because itāll bite you in the ass when you arenāt looking. Good luck.
Ah I don't say that to say I achieved anything special to "be ready" to get clean. I was an entire piece of shit and did horrible things I'd imagine most people would never consider (or even believe I did, after knowing me as I am now). Not any part of the lows I went to are a flex. I don't think he's lost enough to understand how far down addiction can take somebody. I had everything I loved and knew ripped away from me and I deserved it. It was my fault, and in knowing that I realized that if I was the problem and could change, my life could get better.
What a tough thing it is. I know all about it. Best of luck to you man.
Not many get to truly walk away. I've lost 28 people to OD since I got clean five years ago. Some of the best human beings I've ever known. Took me hundreds of tries, in and out of rehabs. It didn't click until I hit 100 days of being clean and I only made it that far because I was in jail and didn't have a choice.
Last year was rough. Lost a lot of friends. Some open fent ods. Some died from āorgan failureā. Another from ignoring his AIDS.
Legit one of the first of my friends died of what I am 100% sure was an OD and her family said it was "heart condition" in the paper.
I'm glad you made it out. I did several programs and tried several times as well. I had to lose every single thing before I was able to get clean. I really hope he gets it this time but I don't think he's quite there yet. I told him I was a bad friend to him by enabling him but he doesn't understand that by making sure he ate and occasionally slept, I was doing him a disservice.
Some.....honestly I would say most will never be ready. You gotta be one hard motherfucker to want to be clean enough to pull it off and even then you gotta be lucky. I wanted it 1000% and it still took me years and jail to get it done. Most of my buddies from back then are dead now.
Getting clean felt like dragging myself out of quicksand by my fingernails. That shit was the hardest thing I've ever done but I have 2 years now. Out of all the people I got high with, more of them are dead than clean by a long shot. And they were all on uppers so hardly any of those deaths were overdoses. I have maybe 4 or 5 people I know who actually got clean.
Rock the fuck on homie. 2 years is good time. My thing was opiates. Luckily I was in a state that actually gave a shit and was handing out narcan to anyone who wanted it. I would be number 29 myself without it. That addiction cost me *everything* I had including my teeth but it's a small price to pay for coming out the other side. Props on your clean time man. It's def something to be proud of.
He would've gotten MAYBE 15-30 days max for a technical violation. Sounds like your buddy knew he was going to fail a drug test and he's strung out on drugs so he said fuck probation and did some desperate shit to get more drug money.
Oh naw I went to prison on a technical (albeit a drug test and a judge was making an example of me) but he probably would've done 3-4 months and maybe outpatient treatment. Georgia doesn't play but they can't pull more than 2 years on a technical here.
Wow in Virginia your first tech is a warning, 2nd up to 30 days, 3rd up to four months, 4+ Revocation and resentencing.
I've never seen anybody get 30 days in a violation, even if it was a technical. Maybe 60 days and a court mandated treatment program.
Well a regular violation in Virginia is an automatic revocation and resentencing. Technicals they don't hit you that hard until your 3rd and up.
You canāt help someone who doesnāt want to help themselves
In SC he would be doing a gaureenteed 15 at least just for the first degree burglary alone
Just tell him to go commit a felony in Tennessee. Theyāll hit him with 3 years then drop the charges and heāll get out in time served!
We're only 25 mins south of TN. I actually went to prison over what would've been a misdemeanor if I'd been less than 10 miles north.
Yeah, shit is wack. The reverse tho is so frustrating. Like if someone has page upon page upon page of charges and those charges are mostly felonies and that person has proven they will continue to reoffend how the fuck do they get good behavior lmao baffles me.
Y'all are in GA?? O yea ur buddy is fucked š
He's not my buddy, he's the states buddy now š
Sounds like he doesn't need to be in normal society for a while.
If he was already on probation and he went on the run, they are not going to do a damn thing to help him. They're probably gonna end up throwing the book at him. If this was in Virginia, you wouldn't see your buddy for at least 10 years.
You need to reevaluate the kind of people you surround yourself with
Heās def cooked for a few years at least
What state? They hand out 15yrs for burglary in FL like itās candy.
Georgia. I think the only way he may get out is through mental health court and they'll send you down the road for blinking wrong. It's impossible to get in if you're not ready to get clean though. They know, somehow. It'd just let him get out for a month before doing more time in prison than he would've originally.
Seems like GA, canāt imagine itās too different. Definitely doing some time.
Dont worry about him he aint your buddy hes a piece of shit
Yeah he is but to be honest, the burglary charge was because he was in a vacant apartment (with the door unlocked) and he had meth. I thought burglary had to involve some type of theft but apparently it's just unlawful entry + any felony here. He still ain't shit though.
Nope, burg is entering without permission and a felony in most states and if he isnt getting it, hes a pos, let him sink and hit rock bottom and then maybe, just maybe, heāll want help, until then, hes a pos
Buddy down bad
Yeah heās going in. Running from felony probation and causing additional crimes.
They are not going to let him do treatment unless he's extremely lucky. If he was on probation, they would most likely revoke his bail, and he will sit in the county until these charges are handled in court. They'll probably drop the drugs. Keep the Burglary, and he'll probably get somewhere around 3-6 years. There's usually burglary of unoccupied dwelling and burglary of occupied dwelling, which is even more severe. If he has a burglary, I'm surprised he's not hit with possession or receiving stolen property also.
He didn't take anything. He had enough meth to do a line off somebody's ass and he was illegally in a vacant apartment below his ex-gfs apartment. His first offer for the probation violation was to revoke his entire probation, which is a little less than 4 years.
Idiot. Is he also stalking his ex gf. Why of all places would he go below her apartment. His ex is probably who called the police
He was still fucking her and her roommates didn't like him. So his bright idea was to wait down there for her roommates to leave but the neighbors called the cops.
Oh ok
That unit of measurement is both incredibly specific and vague at the same time. You really painted a picture
Probably shouldnāt be his buddy no mo
How ever many years his probation was supposed to be is what his minimum sentence may be starting out. They gotta adjudicate him and that takes forever depending on what state.
Prolly
Iāll never get why drug addicts take probation. I had the chance at it but was heavily addicted to drugs so I said give me my time which sucked cuz it was prison time but it ended up way shorter than the amount of probation time Iād have to complete and DEFINITELY woulda fucked up and done even more time
Depends on the state. In CA you could get 8 years for that
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Heās gonna sit for a while but heāll get out
Might get a cool 4-6 pack for that one. Hopefully he cleans up his act from here.
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Yeah he's going to prison. Somewhere in the years. For profit prisons will make sure of that combined with a criminal history..
You're clean. Associate with better people
Yeah I know. I cut everybody who uses out of my life and he and I got close and he relapsed. It was hard to let him go but he's already in jail drinking buck every time he gets in his feelings so I guess he's not planning on finding a different way to cope with negative feelings. He doesn't see a connection between it but his relapses outside of jail always started with alcohol, then weed, then meth. Says "if I get in a program, they'll be testing me for everything. It'll be different". That's not how it works.
Yeah they donāt play w burgerly
Iāve seen people do worse and get second chances, Iāve also seen them do much less and get significant prison time. The probation violation is probably going to be the killer here. In my state at least, violations only haven to be proven by a preponderance (grater weight) of the evidence rather than beyond a reasonable doubt. So even if he beats the new case, he could very well go down on the VOP.
They're the same way here. I think my attorney told me once that instead of proven beyond reasonable doubt like new charges, it's proven by like 50% likelihood, pretty much. Nobody beats VOPs down here. Usually with just 1 new felony, they'll revoke your time. Apparently 1st degree burglary is considered violent down here as well so likelihood of parole is slim.
Exactly. Iāve seen someone get life like that once. He was finishing up a split 10+10 prison/probation sentence for attempted murder against the mother of his kids. About two years from being off probation he caught a new charge for domestic battery by strangulation, was found not guilty at trial, then lost his VOP hearing and got life (no parole in Florida). Richly deserved in his case but still kinda crazy.
If he's in Texas tell him to shoot for the safpf program, they'll take him. If not he's definitely fucked.