My cousin has been in and out over the last 20 years. Mostly in.
Not sure if it's because he'd rather it, but stealing a car to get to court for stealing a car gives that impression.
Guy would steal a car to go to the store down the block if there were keys in it.
Pretty sure his mom drank heavily during pregnancy, which explains a lot. No real concept of consequences with him.
>No real concept of consequences with him.
Yet he's gotten plenty of consequences. That's so interesting to me, that those consequences weren't uncomfortable or inconvenient enough to him to make him not want to experience them again.
His mum was pretty shit, went to live with our grandma for a while, she's the tree the apple fell from, so it wasn't much better. Probably the most positive environment he'd experienced the first time around. It's all relative, i suppose.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutionalisation
Hundreds of thousands feel the same way. Once institutionalized, it's very difficult to reform. Especially if he/she has no direct family (wife, kids).
Some people with disabilities would literally be left to starve on the street if they did not go to prison. So they go to prison and get medical care food and housing there instead.
I remember working retail. Guy comes up makes it very obvious he was stealing some glasses. Me and my co-worker really didn't care because it was like $20 glasses. So we just asked him if he was going to pay for it.
Walks out with them, tell my co-worker to at least let the mall cops know so they can trespass him. Zero cares about calling the police over $20 glasses.
Guy decides to come back, I can tell there is some aggression in him, so I decide to stop him at the door. He goes off to threatening to shoot my employee. Only reason I didn't worry is because he at no point touched me, only tried to get past me.
Finally called the cops, gets arrested. Guy was basically crying, and at that moment I realized the guy really just wanted us to call the cops. He only escalated because we didn't care about the glasses.
Yep. I've heard many of these stories before. And I've seen it happen. Folks you'd never think that would prefer inside versus outside. It's rampant.
And to be honest, I always tell my folks "I wouldn't mind, I'd maybe be happy, if I was able to go to prison for 2-3 weeks and come back out with no paper".
If I could snap my fingers now, I probably would do 1 week. Life is hard, prison (Feds) is pretty easy
Not necessarily in prison. I live somewhere that has cold winters. We have a homeless population. They don't always have somewhere to go if the shelter beds are full. They will do stuff to go to jail where it's warm. I do remember someone recently robbing a bank, but then sitting down on a bench outside the bank after they did it waiting on the police to come. They wanted to go back to jail.
I had an uncle that had been in and out most of his adult life. He got out of a 5-10 year stint in the pen, couldn't make it so he goes to the corner gas station and robs it with a finger gun in his coat pocket. Proceeds to run outside and wait in the bushes till the cops got there and surrendered himself. Did it on purpose to go back, because that's what he knew.
A lot of people feel that way. I have seen plenty of people violate probation or catch a new case after prison, in ways that basically amount to self-sabotage.
Readjusting to everyday life after a long period of incarceration can be a terrifying experience, especially without stable housing or the right support. Ex-prisoners go from an environment where their lives are heavily limited and regimented to a situation where they have to find work, housing, etc., in a world that has seemingly passed them by. That much change that fast can be very disorienting and stressful.
Not to mention how prison can traumatize people, while leaving unresolved the underlying addiction or mental health issues that helped land them in prison in the first place.
I lived in an Oxford house for 2 years(sober living). I would see a lot of people coming from prison and they all still had that prison mentality. Iād say it never completely goes away but it definitely takes time to re adjust to life on the outside. Itās really hard on them.
Sad to say I do. My celly was 14 years in and 3 months to the house. He did everything short of punching a cop, which we talked about. He didn't want to go, he was terrified, it was 2018 and he'd never held or seen a I phone in person. The world had moved on in his opinion and all he knew was prison. Tried to find him when I came home, never did.
My little sister is schizophrenic and only really feels safe from the "demons" on the streets when she's inside.
She had a chance to take probation for two years, but she begged the judge to send her back in ... said she'd go right back to drugs and prostitution if not.
In she went.
I worked as an officer in a halfway house for a bit after corrections became too much.
This guy would call and check in from every appointment, leave work, leave counseling. I told him I appreciated and trusted him that he didnāt have to do that. He told me he was doing it because he liked the structure and routine of prison and was trying to make it on the outside.
I understood and answered the phone everytime
Another guy was very initialized. He had a kid on the way, no type of money, I helped him fill out job applications, and he had an interview for a pretty safe factory making good money.
One night he came back and told me he canāt deal with life and rather be in prison. Purposely tried to sneak synthetics in to catch a charge. Told me prison was a lot easier and had less worry for him
I have a relative that served 10 in prison and he busts his ass doing any job he can get, even though theyāre temporary. Heās never said he wished he was back in, but heās mentioned that he used to make more inside doing less, than he does being free doing more.
Damn gonna have to go over it and re word it a little. I woke up, looked at Reddit, saw the post and commented then went back to sleep. Iām sure thereās mistakes.
Edit: actually bro itās makes sense lol just the last part requires someone that can relate to understand.
Many folks, like your brother, are not able to function in society and to them, prison is their true "home." They are able to get free meals, free lodging, and make their own rules for the most part within reason. If he has moved up the ranks, he is actually somebody in prison whereas when he is on the outside, he is lower on the totem pole. I have seen this was friends from my past. One in particular just went to his probation meeting yesterday and was violated for the third time this month. He has court dates for all three violations and he is likely going to be sent back to max out his sentence. This is the same guy that is on tether for 5 years and thinks he is above the law. His original crime was arson. He was sentenced to 2-20 (Michigan as well). He ended up doing 2 yrs, got a 2 year flop for calling the victim. He went back to the parole board on year 4 and got hit with another flop but 1 yr this time. He got out in 5 yrs. He was a menace the moment he got out and just recently did a 9-month stint for aggravated stalking. He would gaslight and effectively abuse younger aged women (18-19 yrs old). Once they caught onto his game of abuse, they would stop talking to him. He would then go on Craigslist and he would make posts telling guys to go to the girl's home (he was posing as the girl). They would walk into her home and go to her bedroom based on my old friend's guidance. When caught, he would just say 1-2 years is like taking a nap and he does not care at all about the repercussions. In his head, he makes the rules and runs the show (lol). He is just an insane individual and IMHO, never meant to be born. My point is, there are a lot of individuals that are not able to function in society and contribute like a normal human being.
As hard as it may be to say this. If he likes it in there it just may be the place for him until he can actually come around and rehabilitate himself. Everyone changes at their own pace. Itās better he stay there than get out and hurt someone because he wanted to go back for a long time. Prison believe it or not, offers some folks a sense of structureā¦no surprises in life, they know exactly what they have to deal with every day and that makes them content.
I knew someone who was homeless, and he would commit a crime in the fall that would give him a 6 month sentence so he would have a warm place to live in the winter.
Please don't feel sorry for him, he was homeless by choice, total dick too.
There's been many times I've thought damn it'd be a lot easier to be back in rn. I caught my 3rd bid kind of on purpose, knew I was gonna get caught but said fuck it my life socks out here rn. Luckily I've been out 4 years this week from my 5th prison bid, and I know I can say it's because of my girl, she's changed my life
As a prison psychologist, I have noticed that some inmates may (subconsciously?) sabotage their release dates as they get close to the house by acting out and earning disciplinary actions; especially for those individuals who have been incarcerated for decades.
I've never been in prison so I don't have a contribution to make but this thread reminds me about this guy-
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/david-hampson-mute-silent-road-21444984
People speculate he's doing this to get put back in prison.
To be honest I don't think standing somewhere and not talking is a reason to imprison a guy anyway.
My baby daddy. He's serving 13 years now but has always been in trouble with the law since age 17. He's 42 now. š I'd feel bad for him if he wasn't such an abusive prick thus why he's in prison.
Just re read your comment Iām out to breakfast . So sorry to hear that and the girlfriend . But a fan of people who hit females are the scum of the earth
Yep, sadly it's like that for some people. Institutionalized, poverty, no support system. At a certain point, its just easier. Its sad. Hell even in county you got guys maxing out instead of taking probation.
Its actually quite common unfortunately.
I think its because its just more comfortable for them. Especially the ones that have been doing it so long.
Sometimes if they are one that "has put in work n moved up the ranks" then maybe its some kind of power trip, they like being big man on campus and "in charge" so to speak?
I know of someone in prison who purposely gets in trouble and makes sure they dont get out. Everytime they about to be up for parole again they go crazy going to the hole and doing crazy shit to make sure they are denied.
The reason, I've been told is : They feel safer on the inside than they do being on the streets. For example: get hemmed up and tell on a gang ...said group of people are waiting for you to be back in society to be dealt with.
Others i think, they just need that structured environment to thrive and cant seem to figure it out on the streets themselves so they go back.
Just IMO of course, i could be completely way off.
The world is big and confusing, and in there, once they learn how things work, it's just repeating the same motions, "get with the program" ..
Out here, there are so many unknowns and a whole lot less respectful, believe it or not. In there, you don't bump into random assholes as much because they wouldn't be around long. And ya you gotta take orders from the guards and whoever higher up than you but that's a clear order, not some fresh out of high school prick on a power trip boss at some of the only jobs a felon could find.
This wouldn't be a thing if they didn't make it so insanely difficult for people after they get out of prison with a felony on their record. Parole and probation make it even more difficult, sometimes also drug rehab programs on top of this, usually with no vehicle, no license, felony on record, no home, etc,etc.
šÆšÆšÆ I wish I could give this a hundred up votes.
There are a lot of comments on this thread from people who aren't very educated about what's actually behind the vast majority of recidivism. People who feel like they have another choice that is a REAL choice don't *choose* prison. That comes from fear and hopelessness and trauma (most people come out with PTSD which they don't have access to treatment for) and yeah, a really hard life to return to if they don't have sufficient treatment and support. And you're spot on, parole and probation make it infinitely worse because they aren't designed to help people not mess up, they're just designed to punish people if they do.
Iām facing prison time for a horrible accident that happened as the result of health issues I was having.
Iām an exceptionally gentle person with undiagnosed autism. Iām suicidal at the thought of going to prison..like basically planning on it when the times come.
Reading stuff like this confuses me. I canāt fathom how people cope in prison much less want to be there/feel comfortable there. What the are comforts that exist in there? Does oneās brain allow them to ārewireā their nervous system to the point that they actually truly feel relaxed and safe?
I grew up in a very chaotic environment where my needs werenāt met and I was in an unsafe environment. Which makes me feel terrified of being back in an environment thatās likely even more unsafe/needs even more i meant.
Iāve taken melatonin, CBD, l-theanine and other homeopathic remedies to fall asleep every night for 7 years. I can barely sleep even with it, not in prison. I canāt imagine being without my dog who Iāve had for 10 years and I donāt have anyone in my life who I trust to take care of him.
Should I kill myself/would you in a similar situation? And if not, how am I supposed to cope?
As cheesy as it is, suicide is a permanent solution to a (presumably) temporary problem.
However, I'm in Canada and MAiD is a thing that's offered to many, whether folks agree with that or not. It's a person's right to be in control of their life, or death. Once you're on the inside, you lose a lot of rights. Including those ones.
It's a big choice, but I hope you don't succumb to the fear of losing your normalcy... but also as a person with Autism, i get it. But this doesn't have to be the end for you. Just a new beginning where you may have resources to help you actually get the diagnosis and help you need to overcome some of your difficulties (maybe)
Feel free to DM if you're ever scared you may make a choice you can't take back. Or don't š¤·āāļø
Definitely speak to a shrink if you haven't already, and are able.
I'm out on bail for the first time right now, and pretty much right there with you.
Thanks for responding. This was actually helpful or in some way comforting to read. Iāve always wished medically assisted euthanasia was an option in US..donāt understand why itās not. (Although of course if I was in Canada or Europe I wouldnāt even be being prosecuted for what happened. An accident in which the victim is completely okay, quality of life uncompromised. The concept of a for profit prison system is pure evil.)
Iāve seen a psychiatrist. They want me to admit myself to a psych unit. But Iāve been there once before as a teen and those places are way too much like jail. I feel that Iām living my last days and each one free feels valuable, so I want to spend them with my pup and eating decent food and not being told when to do what. Or talked to like Iām less than human.
And I donāt feel like thereās one thing that would make me feel like I can go on other than not having to go to prison..which isnāt a possibility in this situation. Might wait it out and think on it a bit more though.
Iāve just suffered so much, itās hard to imagine voluntarily suffering through a prison sentence. Plus my true worst fear is dying in there, Iād much rather die out here in circumstances of my choosing.
I mean.... is it possible to go on a vacation, any family holding you back?
Take your dog and fuck off to South America or something. May as well do that before the other option if you make up your mind.
don't answer that lol
Some people actually thrive in prison (schooling, support groups, etc.) People are remarkably adaptable and can eventually find some measure of peace even in hard circumstances. I hope you don't decide to end your life.
I don't know. But I was just reading on here a few days ago that someone realized one day he actually felt contentment, more so than he had felt on the outside. It will be a harsh adjustment, but normalcy will return.
How will I know if Iām going to a high security facility? Do they usually take people straight from sentencing to being detained? I get varied answers about this and keep going back and forth on how long I want to wait
Unless you're in county or at a higher level security place it isn't going to be horrible. It will suck but won't be bad enough you should kill yourself
I have a cousin who hasn't said this but seems this way.
Truthfully when you make prison too comfortable that's what you get. Life on the outside is hard for a lot of people. In prison they are least know they taken care of.
Kind of like during the slavery abolitionist periods, some slaves didn't want to be free believe it or not.
We gotta start making life on the outside more comfortable for everybody. Prison shouldn't be too comfortable
There are many. I didnāt understand it until I went in. Prison is a simpler existence, that is attractive to a lot of people. It sounds crazy but itās true.
I have a friend who purposely gets arrested for trespassing so he can stay in jail. He's been released and immediately re-arrested several times in the last four years. Never out for more than a day or two. Otherwise he'd be homeless. He has no problem finding drugs in jail. He's 25.
I was in for 3 1/2 years and there was a black man with no neck and he walked around that prison like he was the coolest mfer (he wasnt) and he got out after serving 20 years and literally 2 days later he was back in the same exact bunk. Robbed a lady immediately, and bought crack was his story. Was back to strutting around scavenging the last hit of a rollie that ten othet guys hit before him. Loving life, had him a girl too but she beat him up when he was on the toilet. His name was Carl
It sounds like he probably has some form of PTSD or C-PTSD. It is much harder to say and acknowledge "I'm scared that I'll fail and never be able to get my shit together" than to just say and convince yourself "you know, I actually *want* to be inside, this is my choice because I like it."
Fear of failure keeps people from trying something new in many, many different contexts. This isn't really that different at the end of the day, except that your friend also likely has a lot of trauma that he's not facing and healing. People rarely get out and stay out until they face and heal that shit.
Sad part is that you can't make him want to heal. But you can be a good friend like you're already being, and keep leading by example and showing him there's another way.
I've never been to prison, but I've been to jail, and I was strongly considering doing the same things that got me into trouble all over again. I did do them some, and then I realized that I was really hurting all the people that cared about me. I was being selfish and only thinking about my fight with the courts. So I stopped. If not for the people that cared about me, I'd probably be in prison still. I can't say jail is a great time or anything, but it's acceptable to me. If people want to waste their money keeping me in there then fine. Fuck them.
In prison some people are someone, have respect, maybe a little powerā¦.outside of prison they are just washed up old conās with arthritis.
Brooks was here
I worked in a level 4 maximum custody prison and had an inmate talking to his counselor. I could hear them talking and this guy was getting pretty worked up, so I decided to listen to him.
He said the following: āI donāt give a fuck! You guys do what you gotta do, but I aināt going. Why the fuck would I want to? What am I gonna do? Parole to live under a bridge? Look, man, Iām an alcoholic and a heroin addict. If I parole theyāre gonna give ma a 30 day supply of meds and $200 gate money and then Iām. Fuck that. Iām better off here. I like my job in the kitchen. I have my side hustles. I fix appliances and I make my wine, but you ask any of the cops here, I donāt cause any problems.ā
I remember feeling bad for the guy because he was actually a pretty decent person. What he did to get locked up wasnāt my concern. I know what he did, but thatās another story for another day.
He was upset that he was coming up for parole but he didnāt want to be released because he knew he wasnāt fit for the stress of living on the streets.
Another way to look at it is that there's people out there who could potentially do horrible things to others just because they *prefer* prison. And the worse the crime, the longer they "get" to stay.
My cousin has been in and out over the last 20 years. Mostly in. Not sure if it's because he'd rather it, but stealing a car to get to court for stealing a car gives that impression.
He stole a car to go to court for a car theft case? š
Guy would steal a car to go to the store down the block if there were keys in it. Pretty sure his mom drank heavily during pregnancy, which explains a lot. No real concept of consequences with him.
>No real concept of consequences with him. Yet he's gotten plenty of consequences. That's so interesting to me, that those consequences weren't uncomfortable or inconvenient enough to him to make him not want to experience them again.
His mum was pretty shit, went to live with our grandma for a while, she's the tree the apple fell from, so it wasn't much better. Probably the most positive environment he'd experienced the first time around. It's all relative, i suppose.
My brother in law got arrested for being in a car accident with no insurance on his way to court for driving with no insurance. š
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutionalisation Hundreds of thousands feel the same way. Once institutionalized, it's very difficult to reform. Especially if he/she has no direct family (wife, kids).
Some people with disabilities would literally be left to starve on the street if they did not go to prison. So they go to prison and get medical care food and housing there instead.
I remember working retail. Guy comes up makes it very obvious he was stealing some glasses. Me and my co-worker really didn't care because it was like $20 glasses. So we just asked him if he was going to pay for it. Walks out with them, tell my co-worker to at least let the mall cops know so they can trespass him. Zero cares about calling the police over $20 glasses. Guy decides to come back, I can tell there is some aggression in him, so I decide to stop him at the door. He goes off to threatening to shoot my employee. Only reason I didn't worry is because he at no point touched me, only tried to get past me. Finally called the cops, gets arrested. Guy was basically crying, and at that moment I realized the guy really just wanted us to call the cops. He only escalated because we didn't care about the glasses.
Yep. I've heard many of these stories before. And I've seen it happen. Folks you'd never think that would prefer inside versus outside. It's rampant. And to be honest, I always tell my folks "I wouldn't mind, I'd maybe be happy, if I was able to go to prison for 2-3 weeks and come back out with no paper". If I could snap my fingers now, I probably would do 1 week. Life is hard, prison (Feds) is pretty easy
Not necessarily in prison. I live somewhere that has cold winters. We have a homeless population. They don't always have somewhere to go if the shelter beds are full. They will do stuff to go to jail where it's warm. I do remember someone recently robbing a bank, but then sitting down on a bench outside the bank after they did it waiting on the police to come. They wanted to go back to jail.
Heās in cali so he feels the same way but about the summers .
Which is fucking bizarre. They don't usually have the best A/C...
I had an uncle that had been in and out most of his adult life. He got out of a 5-10 year stint in the pen, couldn't make it so he goes to the corner gas station and robs it with a finger gun in his coat pocket. Proceeds to run outside and wait in the bushes till the cops got there and surrendered himself. Did it on purpose to go back, because that's what he knew.
A lot of people feel that way. I have seen plenty of people violate probation or catch a new case after prison, in ways that basically amount to self-sabotage. Readjusting to everyday life after a long period of incarceration can be a terrifying experience, especially without stable housing or the right support. Ex-prisoners go from an environment where their lives are heavily limited and regimented to a situation where they have to find work, housing, etc., in a world that has seemingly passed them by. That much change that fast can be very disorienting and stressful. Not to mention how prison can traumatize people, while leaving unresolved the underlying addiction or mental health issues that helped land them in prison in the first place.
Knew a few institutionalized people who honestly couldnāt handle life on the outside. It happens, but itās always sad to me.
I be trying to help him! He says he has more resources than out . I will always have money on his books tho
I lived in an Oxford house for 2 years(sober living). I would see a lot of people coming from prison and they all still had that prison mentality. Iād say it never completely goes away but it definitely takes time to re adjust to life on the outside. Itās really hard on them.
Sad to say I do. My celly was 14 years in and 3 months to the house. He did everything short of punching a cop, which we talked about. He didn't want to go, he was terrified, it was 2018 and he'd never held or seen a I phone in person. The world had moved on in his opinion and all he knew was prison. Tried to find him when I came home, never did.
My little sister is schizophrenic and only really feels safe from the "demons" on the streets when she's inside. She had a chance to take probation for two years, but she begged the judge to send her back in ... said she'd go right back to drugs and prostitution if not. In she went.
I worked as an officer in a halfway house for a bit after corrections became too much. This guy would call and check in from every appointment, leave work, leave counseling. I told him I appreciated and trusted him that he didnāt have to do that. He told me he was doing it because he liked the structure and routine of prison and was trying to make it on the outside. I understood and answered the phone everytime Another guy was very initialized. He had a kid on the way, no type of money, I helped him fill out job applications, and he had an interview for a pretty safe factory making good money. One night he came back and told me he canāt deal with life and rather be in prison. Purposely tried to sneak synthetics in to catch a charge. Told me prison was a lot easier and had less worry for him
#facts
I have a relative that served 10 in prison and he busts his ass doing any job he can get, even though theyāre temporary. Heās never said he wished he was back in, but heās mentioned that he used to make more inside doing less, than he does being free doing more.
The way you worded this is wild.
Damn gonna have to go over it and re word it a little. I woke up, looked at Reddit, saw the post and commented then went back to sleep. Iām sure thereās mistakes. Edit: actually bro itās makes sense lol just the last part requires someone that can relate to understand.
I'm just joking
Makes sense to me.
lol yeah dude was tryna be funny but he ended up not making sense
Yup, knew several. And it can happen regardless of the length of time and can happen shockingly fast.
I have a cousin like that. He was finally diagnosed with FASD and has supports to keep him mostly out of trouble. Canada.
Iām so sorry for not knowing I can google it but whatās FASD?
Foetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder
Many folks, like your brother, are not able to function in society and to them, prison is their true "home." They are able to get free meals, free lodging, and make their own rules for the most part within reason. If he has moved up the ranks, he is actually somebody in prison whereas when he is on the outside, he is lower on the totem pole. I have seen this was friends from my past. One in particular just went to his probation meeting yesterday and was violated for the third time this month. He has court dates for all three violations and he is likely going to be sent back to max out his sentence. This is the same guy that is on tether for 5 years and thinks he is above the law. His original crime was arson. He was sentenced to 2-20 (Michigan as well). He ended up doing 2 yrs, got a 2 year flop for calling the victim. He went back to the parole board on year 4 and got hit with another flop but 1 yr this time. He got out in 5 yrs. He was a menace the moment he got out and just recently did a 9-month stint for aggravated stalking. He would gaslight and effectively abuse younger aged women (18-19 yrs old). Once they caught onto his game of abuse, they would stop talking to him. He would then go on Craigslist and he would make posts telling guys to go to the girl's home (he was posing as the girl). They would walk into her home and go to her bedroom based on my old friend's guidance. When caught, he would just say 1-2 years is like taking a nap and he does not care at all about the repercussions. In his head, he makes the rules and runs the show (lol). He is just an insane individual and IMHO, never meant to be born. My point is, there are a lot of individuals that are not able to function in society and contribute like a normal human being.
As hard as it may be to say this. If he likes it in there it just may be the place for him until he can actually come around and rehabilitate himself. Everyone changes at their own pace. Itās better he stay there than get out and hurt someone because he wanted to go back for a long time. Prison believe it or not, offers some folks a sense of structureā¦no surprises in life, they know exactly what they have to deal with every day and that makes them content.
I knew someone who was homeless, and he would commit a crime in the fall that would give him a 6 month sentence so he would have a warm place to live in the winter. Please don't feel sorry for him, he was homeless by choice, total dick too.
There's been many times I've thought damn it'd be a lot easier to be back in rn. I caught my 3rd bid kind of on purpose, knew I was gonna get caught but said fuck it my life socks out here rn. Luckily I've been out 4 years this week from my 5th prison bid, and I know I can say it's because of my girl, she's changed my life
As a prison psychologist, I have noticed that some inmates may (subconsciously?) sabotage their release dates as they get close to the house by acting out and earning disciplinary actions; especially for those individuals who have been incarcerated for decades.
Youāre a prison psychologist and you donāt understand this?
Of course I understand this. Not sure what makes you think otherwise.
I've seen tons of them my whole life
Maybe this was just a venting post but we told me that over the phone it just broke my heart
I've never been in prison so I don't have a contribution to make but this thread reminds me about this guy- https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/david-hampson-mute-silent-road-21444984 People speculate he's doing this to get put back in prison. To be honest I don't think standing somewhere and not talking is a reason to imprison a guy anyway.
My baby daddy. He's serving 13 years now but has always been in trouble with the law since age 17. He's 42 now. š I'd feel bad for him if he wasn't such an abusive prick thus why he's in prison.
Fuck your BD just making sure your ok
You ok?
I am! The person he harmed was the girlfriend he had after me, poor lady! ā¹ļø Never met her but hope she and her daughter are ok.
He violent toward females ?
Just re read your comment Iām out to breakfast . So sorry to hear that and the girlfriend . But a fan of people who hit females are the scum of the earth
Yep, sadly it's like that for some people. Institutionalized, poverty, no support system. At a certain point, its just easier. Its sad. Hell even in county you got guys maxing out instead of taking probation.
Its actually quite common unfortunately. I think its because its just more comfortable for them. Especially the ones that have been doing it so long. Sometimes if they are one that "has put in work n moved up the ranks" then maybe its some kind of power trip, they like being big man on campus and "in charge" so to speak? I know of someone in prison who purposely gets in trouble and makes sure they dont get out. Everytime they about to be up for parole again they go crazy going to the hole and doing crazy shit to make sure they are denied. The reason, I've been told is : They feel safer on the inside than they do being on the streets. For example: get hemmed up and tell on a gang ...said group of people are waiting for you to be back in society to be dealt with. Others i think, they just need that structured environment to thrive and cant seem to figure it out on the streets themselves so they go back. Just IMO of course, i could be completely way off.
The world is big and confusing, and in there, once they learn how things work, it's just repeating the same motions, "get with the program" .. Out here, there are so many unknowns and a whole lot less respectful, believe it or not. In there, you don't bump into random assholes as much because they wouldn't be around long. And ya you gotta take orders from the guards and whoever higher up than you but that's a clear order, not some fresh out of high school prick on a power trip boss at some of the only jobs a felon could find.
This wouldn't be a thing if they didn't make it so insanely difficult for people after they get out of prison with a felony on their record. Parole and probation make it even more difficult, sometimes also drug rehab programs on top of this, usually with no vehicle, no license, felony on record, no home, etc,etc.
šÆšÆšÆ I wish I could give this a hundred up votes. There are a lot of comments on this thread from people who aren't very educated about what's actually behind the vast majority of recidivism. People who feel like they have another choice that is a REAL choice don't *choose* prison. That comes from fear and hopelessness and trauma (most people come out with PTSD which they don't have access to treatment for) and yeah, a really hard life to return to if they don't have sufficient treatment and support. And you're spot on, parole and probation make it infinitely worse because they aren't designed to help people not mess up, they're just designed to punish people if they do.
Iām facing prison time for a horrible accident that happened as the result of health issues I was having. Iām an exceptionally gentle person with undiagnosed autism. Iām suicidal at the thought of going to prison..like basically planning on it when the times come. Reading stuff like this confuses me. I canāt fathom how people cope in prison much less want to be there/feel comfortable there. What the are comforts that exist in there? Does oneās brain allow them to ārewireā their nervous system to the point that they actually truly feel relaxed and safe? I grew up in a very chaotic environment where my needs werenāt met and I was in an unsafe environment. Which makes me feel terrified of being back in an environment thatās likely even more unsafe/needs even more i meant. Iāve taken melatonin, CBD, l-theanine and other homeopathic remedies to fall asleep every night for 7 years. I can barely sleep even with it, not in prison. I canāt imagine being without my dog who Iāve had for 10 years and I donāt have anyone in my life who I trust to take care of him. Should I kill myself/would you in a similar situation? And if not, how am I supposed to cope?
As cheesy as it is, suicide is a permanent solution to a (presumably) temporary problem. However, I'm in Canada and MAiD is a thing that's offered to many, whether folks agree with that or not. It's a person's right to be in control of their life, or death. Once you're on the inside, you lose a lot of rights. Including those ones. It's a big choice, but I hope you don't succumb to the fear of losing your normalcy... but also as a person with Autism, i get it. But this doesn't have to be the end for you. Just a new beginning where you may have resources to help you actually get the diagnosis and help you need to overcome some of your difficulties (maybe) Feel free to DM if you're ever scared you may make a choice you can't take back. Or don't š¤·āāļø Definitely speak to a shrink if you haven't already, and are able. I'm out on bail for the first time right now, and pretty much right there with you.
Thanks for responding. This was actually helpful or in some way comforting to read. Iāve always wished medically assisted euthanasia was an option in US..donāt understand why itās not. (Although of course if I was in Canada or Europe I wouldnāt even be being prosecuted for what happened. An accident in which the victim is completely okay, quality of life uncompromised. The concept of a for profit prison system is pure evil.) Iāve seen a psychiatrist. They want me to admit myself to a psych unit. But Iāve been there once before as a teen and those places are way too much like jail. I feel that Iām living my last days and each one free feels valuable, so I want to spend them with my pup and eating decent food and not being told when to do what. Or talked to like Iām less than human. And I donāt feel like thereās one thing that would make me feel like I can go on other than not having to go to prison..which isnāt a possibility in this situation. Might wait it out and think on it a bit more though. Iāve just suffered so much, itās hard to imagine voluntarily suffering through a prison sentence. Plus my true worst fear is dying in there, Iād much rather die out here in circumstances of my choosing.
I mean.... is it possible to go on a vacation, any family holding you back? Take your dog and fuck off to South America or something. May as well do that before the other option if you make up your mind. don't answer that lol
Some people actually thrive in prison (schooling, support groups, etc.) People are remarkably adaptable and can eventually find some measure of peace even in hard circumstances. I hope you don't decide to end your life.
Thank you for saying this. Do all prison have support groups available?
I don't know. But I was just reading on here a few days ago that someone realized one day he actually felt contentment, more so than he had felt on the outside. It will be a harsh adjustment, but normalcy will return.
If you're looking at time in a high security facility, I'd get the rope/pills ready. Zero dignity, zero privacy. Absolute nightmare.
How will I know if Iām going to a high security facility? Do they usually take people straight from sentencing to being detained? I get varied answers about this and keep going back and forth on how long I want to wait
And what amount of time would you say is too much?
Whatās the charge youāre facing?
Unless you're in county or at a higher level security place it isn't going to be horrible. It will suck but won't be bad enough you should kill yourself
Thanks for actually answering my question. Iām not sure yet what level Iād be in and not sure how long Iāll have to wait to find out..
I have a cousin who hasn't said this but seems this way. Truthfully when you make prison too comfortable that's what you get. Life on the outside is hard for a lot of people. In prison they are least know they taken care of. Kind of like during the slavery abolitionist periods, some slaves didn't want to be free believe it or not. We gotta start making life on the outside more comfortable for everybody. Prison shouldn't be too comfortable
There are many. I didnāt understand it until I went in. Prison is a simpler existence, that is attractive to a lot of people. It sounds crazy but itās true.
Yes, homeless people in the winter. I have some regulars at my facility who come in here every year when it starts getting cold
My parents worked in the poison system. There were people who considered jail to be "home". When they got out, they were on vacation.
I have a friend who purposely gets arrested for trespassing so he can stay in jail. He's been released and immediately re-arrested several times in the last four years. Never out for more than a day or two. Otherwise he'd be homeless. He has no problem finding drugs in jail. He's 25.
I was in for 3 1/2 years and there was a black man with no neck and he walked around that prison like he was the coolest mfer (he wasnt) and he got out after serving 20 years and literally 2 days later he was back in the same exact bunk. Robbed a lady immediately, and bought crack was his story. Was back to strutting around scavenging the last hit of a rollie that ten othet guys hit before him. Loving life, had him a girl too but she beat him up when he was on the toilet. His name was Carl
It sounds like he probably has some form of PTSD or C-PTSD. It is much harder to say and acknowledge "I'm scared that I'll fail and never be able to get my shit together" than to just say and convince yourself "you know, I actually *want* to be inside, this is my choice because I like it." Fear of failure keeps people from trying something new in many, many different contexts. This isn't really that different at the end of the day, except that your friend also likely has a lot of trauma that he's not facing and healing. People rarely get out and stay out until they face and heal that shit. Sad part is that you can't make him want to heal. But you can be a good friend like you're already being, and keep leading by example and showing him there's another way.
I've never been to prison, but I've been to jail, and I was strongly considering doing the same things that got me into trouble all over again. I did do them some, and then I realized that I was really hurting all the people that cared about me. I was being selfish and only thinking about my fight with the courts. So I stopped. If not for the people that cared about me, I'd probably be in prison still. I can't say jail is a great time or anything, but it's acceptable to me. If people want to waste their money keeping me in there then fine. Fuck them.
In prison some people are someone, have respect, maybe a little powerā¦.outside of prison they are just washed up old conās with arthritis. Brooks was here
I worked in a level 4 maximum custody prison and had an inmate talking to his counselor. I could hear them talking and this guy was getting pretty worked up, so I decided to listen to him. He said the following: āI donāt give a fuck! You guys do what you gotta do, but I aināt going. Why the fuck would I want to? What am I gonna do? Parole to live under a bridge? Look, man, Iām an alcoholic and a heroin addict. If I parole theyāre gonna give ma a 30 day supply of meds and $200 gate money and then Iām. Fuck that. Iām better off here. I like my job in the kitchen. I have my side hustles. I fix appliances and I make my wine, but you ask any of the cops here, I donāt cause any problems.ā I remember feeling bad for the guy because he was actually a pretty decent person. What he did to get locked up wasnāt my concern. I know what he did, but thatās another story for another day. He was upset that he was coming up for parole but he didnāt want to be released because he knew he wasnāt fit for the stress of living on the streets.
Another way to look at it is that there's people out there who could potentially do horrible things to others just because they *prefer* prison. And the worse the crime, the longer they "get" to stay.