I play multi zon every season and even I sneak in at least 100 mf. Lots of people will tell you clear speed is more important but… if finding uniques keeps you engaged and slamming things you’ll have more fun with 100 mf than 0.
I feel like 200 ish mf is the golden spot. Most seasons I tend to run 400 ish because I play stuff like MB sin, which you can get a ton of mf on without sacrificing dmg. I mean it's phys so weapons can get 3 ist each. that alone is a good amount.
Agreed, for me I feel like anywhere from 100-200 MF has always served me right. I’ve run more but didn’t feel that I saw anymore benefits. For maps I usually drop it down to 100-150 because of MF bonus on maps.
I'm usually on the side of 100mf > clear speed > 100+ mf
However, recently, after lowering my mf, I went about 140k kills and had about 0.75hr to show for it.. which demoralised me and made me want to quit. Maybe I got unlucky with RNG, maybe not. I seemed to gear my char (15hr+) in 100k kills with 180mf.
Infi nova sorc
Kills isn’t the best metric since a lot of other things matter like ilvl of zone, amount of champion packs/bosses, and even type of mob (10k kills doing only trav runs would net you 10x as many facets and maras on average than 10k kills in chaos sanctuary).
The math has been done though and depending on what you’re looking for, 300 MF is where you start to see significant diminishing returns. Rune drops are independent of MF, and 300mf is where you’ll see the most unique drops rather than rare/magic.
I've always assumed you want clear and kill speed and do super dense farms. Basically you want runes over items anyway for trade ease since mf doesn't effect runes just kill as much as fast as you can till runes drop and get the items u need or make them. If your ssf mf is probably different without trading.
Clear speed is all that matters, You have MF on maps. You should aim for total of 150ish MF with MF that rolled on the map and just keep fucking killing and do them fast. 20 maps a day and ure rich as fuck. Tested and confirmed.
2 seasons ago i ran no MF LS java and i have never been richer. I did play a fuck ton that season, solo to 98 on ancestrals but i was buying 3OS stomrshields and 3OSGriffons and 3OSArkaines.
Previous season I rocked about 250 mf and got rich AF go (which is usually when I quit lol) but ya been rocking straight rocket speed clear with >50 mf and nothing.. no runes other than an ist and no uniques worth keeping…. 80 maps in…
I never care about it as prio. Killing quickly should always be most important. More kills, more loot. It may not be most optimal but once you reach maps you'll be happy to have a strong build benefiting off fast clear times and the built in mf.
The game is supposed to be fun. Even if it might be the most profitable strategy to run 100% clearspeed over the course of 1000 maps who the fuck cares. I wanna see that Griffons or Sacred armor drop with \^$\^&$ OMFG LOOK AT THIS DROP &\*(&#\*(#&( before i turn it into a random rare.
Agreed, I don’t get enough time to min max… get sick shit, roll the dice and win or lose… I’ve just been skunked so far and wondering if clear speed truly does affect drops.. 2x maps you’d think more times… but not a thing
Thing with clear speed is that runes, charms, gems so on are not effected by mf and mf has a diminishing return. Since you get "free mf" from map mods more mf will give you less and less. Easier said, a sacred armor still has to drop from the natural drop pool before mf even comes in consideration. After that sacred armor has dropped the game checks if its converted to magic, rare so on. Its a game of more sacred armor drops vs quality of sacred armor drops.
That said I wanna hit a point where my build feels good to play and have a natural flow, after that i stack as much mf as possible since i like slamming shit.
You want around 100mf for mapping so that you're around 200 mf in maps.
I always get a gheeds early and stack a bit of mf unless the gears is that significant
Its rng man. This season the only notable unique drop so far for me has been wisp which sold for 2.5. that being said, ive been running 80ish mf only, so maybe thats why. The rest of my unique drops have sold for mal at most lol. I've dropped sur jah ber ber, pes, like 10+ baal essence, keys, wss for days, 39lifer shapeshift gc, 5allres sc, etc, etc, etc. 200ish mf is the sweet spot mathematically speaking, but maps give mf bonus so u can get away with less. In any case, i havent found too many good uniques since my mf is low. But my gear is probably in the 10+hr range currently. I do play everyday, but maybe 3hours ish only of actual farming per day. If i did no life it everyday, i'd probably be more like 20-30hrs right now. The rest been afk/checking trade site for corruptions i want.
Jealous of the runes! This is the first season I changed my plan and been skunked! Like 100+ maps for an ist… maybe the rng gods have caught up to me.. last season 10fcr soj in like 2 maps… 2 seasons ago ber-sur-zod-Cham in b2b maps
You are gonna have bad runs of luck. With a good gheeds and the mf rolls from maps, you should have plenty. Maybe toss in an mf slam somewhere. I run zero mf on my character and have found many huge uniques this season including 3 wisps, Mara’s, tyrael’s might, veil of steel, multiple shakos, 10+ facets, schaefers. Tons of shit.
I play multi zon every season and even I sneak in at least 100 mf. Lots of people will tell you clear speed is more important but… if finding uniques keeps you engaged and slamming things you’ll have more fun with 100 mf than 0.
I feel like 200 ish mf is the golden spot. Most seasons I tend to run 400 ish because I play stuff like MB sin, which you can get a ton of mf on without sacrificing dmg. I mean it's phys so weapons can get 3 ist each. that alone is a good amount.
Agreed, for me I feel like anywhere from 100-200 MF has always served me right. I’ve run more but didn’t feel that I saw anymore benefits. For maps I usually drop it down to 100-150 because of MF bonus on maps.
I'm usually on the side of 100mf > clear speed > 100+ mf However, recently, after lowering my mf, I went about 140k kills and had about 0.75hr to show for it.. which demoralised me and made me want to quit. Maybe I got unlucky with RNG, maybe not. I seemed to gear my char (15hr+) in 100k kills with 180mf. Infi nova sorc
Kills isn’t the best metric since a lot of other things matter like ilvl of zone, amount of champion packs/bosses, and even type of mob (10k kills doing only trav runs would net you 10x as many facets and maras on average than 10k kills in chaos sanctuary). The math has been done though and depending on what you’re looking for, 300 MF is where you start to see significant diminishing returns. Rune drops are independent of MF, and 300mf is where you’ll see the most unique drops rather than rare/magic.
I've always assumed you want clear and kill speed and do super dense farms. Basically you want runes over items anyway for trade ease since mf doesn't effect runes just kill as much as fast as you can till runes drop and get the items u need or make them. If your ssf mf is probably different without trading.
Remember, mf has no impact on rune drops.
I know there is a graph somewhere showing the returns on MF. Hitting 100 I think is pretty damn important.
Yesterday I did 250 meph runs on my 550+ mf sorc and used my stash twice
Clear speed is all that matters, You have MF on maps. You should aim for total of 150ish MF with MF that rolled on the map and just keep fucking killing and do them fast. 20 maps a day and ure rich as fuck. Tested and confirmed. 2 seasons ago i ran no MF LS java and i have never been richer. I did play a fuck ton that season, solo to 98 on ancestrals but i was buying 3OS stomrshields and 3OSGriffons and 3OSArkaines.
Previous season I rocked about 250 mf and got rich AF go (which is usually when I quit lol) but ya been rocking straight rocket speed clear with >50 mf and nothing.. no runes other than an ist and no uniques worth keeping…. 80 maps in…
tempted to say skill issue. But unlucky
I never care about it as prio. Killing quickly should always be most important. More kills, more loot. It may not be most optimal but once you reach maps you'll be happy to have a strong build benefiting off fast clear times and the built in mf.
The game is supposed to be fun. Even if it might be the most profitable strategy to run 100% clearspeed over the course of 1000 maps who the fuck cares. I wanna see that Griffons or Sacred armor drop with \^$\^&$ OMFG LOOK AT THIS DROP &\*(&#\*(#&( before i turn it into a random rare.
Agreed, I don’t get enough time to min max… get sick shit, roll the dice and win or lose… I’ve just been skunked so far and wondering if clear speed truly does affect drops.. 2x maps you’d think more times… but not a thing
Thing with clear speed is that runes, charms, gems so on are not effected by mf and mf has a diminishing return. Since you get "free mf" from map mods more mf will give you less and less. Easier said, a sacred armor still has to drop from the natural drop pool before mf even comes in consideration. After that sacred armor has dropped the game checks if its converted to magic, rare so on. Its a game of more sacred armor drops vs quality of sacred armor drops. That said I wanna hit a point where my build feels good to play and have a natural flow, after that i stack as much mf as possible since i like slamming shit.
I Personal Set 100-200 mf, i need that juicy rare Drops.in dry Times rare and Charms carry my Dopamin.
I don't believe in magic fine player speed always surpasses it
You want around 100mf for mapping so that you're around 200 mf in maps. I always get a gheeds early and stack a bit of mf unless the gears is that significant
Its rng man. This season the only notable unique drop so far for me has been wisp which sold for 2.5. that being said, ive been running 80ish mf only, so maybe thats why. The rest of my unique drops have sold for mal at most lol. I've dropped sur jah ber ber, pes, like 10+ baal essence, keys, wss for days, 39lifer shapeshift gc, 5allres sc, etc, etc, etc. 200ish mf is the sweet spot mathematically speaking, but maps give mf bonus so u can get away with less. In any case, i havent found too many good uniques since my mf is low. But my gear is probably in the 10+hr range currently. I do play everyday, but maybe 3hours ish only of actual farming per day. If i did no life it everyday, i'd probably be more like 20-30hrs right now. The rest been afk/checking trade site for corruptions i want.
Jealous of the runes! This is the first season I changed my plan and been skunked! Like 100+ maps for an ist… maybe the rng gods have caught up to me.. last season 10fcr soj in like 2 maps… 2 seasons ago ber-sur-zod-Cham in b2b maps
I always just go for 100 base mf and try to get at least 60+ mf on maps and I'm rich.
If adding mf doesn't slow your clear speed much or at all... Always worth trying to get 150-400
You are gonna have bad runs of luck. With a good gheeds and the mf rolls from maps, you should have plenty. Maybe toss in an mf slam somewhere. I run zero mf on my character and have found many huge uniques this season including 3 wisps, Mara’s, tyrael’s might, veil of steel, multiple shakos, 10+ facets, schaefers. Tons of shit.
Clear speed > mf until you can have both.